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All across the Great Western territory => Media about railways, and other means of transport => Topic started by: Oxman on January 24, 2013, 15:18:40



Title: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Oxman on January 24, 2013, 15:18:40
Noticed a sign next to the Reading gateline this morning which said that filming was in progress for a new Channel 5 documentary on Great Western Trains. Also gave advice on what to do if you didn't want to appear in it!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: EBrown on January 25, 2013, 03:39:30
Wow, the list of rail TV coming up is huge...

The Tube (series 2) - BBC
Keeping Britain on Track (w/t) - BBC [One episode features Reading, recall it being number 3]
Something or other (no idea of the actual title) - Sky [Based on East Coast I believe]
Locomotion: Dan Snow... - BBC

... and now this!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on January 25, 2013, 08:20:36
Noticed a sign next to the Reading gateline this morning which said that filming was in progress for a new Channel 5 documentary on Great Western Trains. Also gave advice on what to do if you didn't want to appear in it!


You beat me to it!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/rdgfilm.jpg)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 01, 2013, 17:48:51
Does anyone know who was filming at reading tonight . There were interviewing one of the gate line staff when I came through about 1715 .

Just mosey!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on February 01, 2013, 18:17:56
IIRC there have been signs up saying it's Channel 5


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on February 01, 2013, 18:33:18
Could it be the same crew we were talking about recently? 

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.0)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 01, 2013, 20:06:33
Thanks for the replies. I am guessing the signs weren't up when I came through early this morning and it was so manic tonight I was more worried about not getting hit by pax with wheely suitcases!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2013, 20:54:06
No worries, BerkshireBugsy - I've simply moved and merged both topics here.  ;)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on February 03, 2013, 17:12:41
They've been filming on the sleeper too...


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: vacmanfan on February 06, 2013, 21:31:08
They should do a Saturday night at Redruth...  Priceless viewing.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Network SouthEast on February 06, 2013, 21:46:59
Thanks for the replies. I am guessing the signs weren't up when I came through early this morning and it was so manic tonight I was more worried about not getting hit by pax with wheely suitcases!
The signs have been up for a while, but they are laminated A4-sized, so you may have just missed them.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BBM on June 18, 2013, 08:29:22
There was a Channel 5 team at Twyford this morning, their main centre of interest seemed to be one particular Henley Branch conductor/ticket inspector who I've seen regularly over a number of years, the camera followed him onto the 06:50 Twyford-Henley service.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Network SouthEast on June 18, 2013, 09:47:58
I think the filming at the start of the year was just for a pilot episode.

Filming has now resumed a couple of weeks ago and apparently will last a few months. No date for the airing of the programme, but apparently the working title of the programme is "Great Westerners".


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Jason on June 19, 2013, 10:28:36
I wonder if the filming had spread to Paddington by yesterday evening.
Someone was being ejected from a service waiting to depart and various dispatch staff, followed by BTP, followed by sprinting camera-person disappeared up the length of the platform.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Busboy W1 on July 08, 2013, 20:31:22
Channel 5 were also at Twyford and Henley this weekend due to The Royal Regatta at Henley On Thames. With the previous week at Castle Cary for Glastonbury! From the sounds of it there are 2 filming teams one in the east region of the network and another in the west. Although they were both working together filming us working hard on The Regatta Line in the summer sun over the past few days.  8)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ray951 on July 09, 2013, 09:37:28
There was a cameraman and crew at Didcot Parkway this morning so I assume this was for the Channel 5 documentary. Although nothing interesting was happening!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BBM on July 13, 2013, 20:21:28
There was a camera team filming last night's chaos at PAD, you might get to see me running along Platform 4 for the delayed 1718 to OXF.  :(


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: anthony215 on July 31, 2013, 10:00:07
Radioe Times have released a sneak preview of the 8 part series on First Great Western.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-15/sneak-peek-first-great-western-train-series-on-channel-5

Chanel 5 are due to broadcast the 1st episode  next month something I will enjoy watching


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Busboy W1 on August 06, 2013, 20:31:50
  Reports that the channel 5 film crew will be visiting Charlbury over the coming weekend to film The Wilderness Festival.

  Be interesting to compare the event to that of Glastonbury and the different planning and activities that take place in two different regions of FGW land.  ::)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on August 20, 2013, 14:34:28
Just posted on Twitter....

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Paul Goldsworthy (@BS11_Paul)

20/08/2013 12:06
@FGW Documentary following the work of First Great Western Starts 29 August 8 PM Channel 5 For those Interested


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on August 20, 2013, 14:40:31
Was just about to post following the arrival of the Radio Times for next week.

The programme is indeed at 8pm on Channel 5 on Thursday 29th.  Billed as episode 1 of 12 - it looks at a late night service to Swansea from Paddington, how the railway coped with disruption at Paddington after a signal failure and "engineer Will" who works on maintaining trains "at the end of the line in Cornwall".


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on August 20, 2013, 14:44:19
Meawhile, according to Digiguide - Episode 2 on the 5th Sept

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Problems arise when 15,000 extra passengers descend on one tiny station, tempers boil over when the Glastonbury music festival disrupts the regular commute, a station goes on lockdown when a man falls onto the tracks and a picturesque branch line receives a royal visit.



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: chuffed on August 20, 2013, 19:28:02
Should be well worth watching. Will be looking out for some familiar faces, eager for their 15 seconds of fame !


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: chuffed on August 20, 2013, 19:31:42
Mods. Feel free to delete this as bobm has posted elsewhere.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 20, 2013, 20:35:13
No worries, chuffed - I've simply moved and merged both topics here.  ;)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 20, 2013, 20:50:35
I believe channel 5 were filming at newbury racecourse station on Saturday after the ladies day concert ( Meatloaf)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 25, 2013, 03:07:39
Have heard that the production team were at the Dawlish Air Show on Friday and Saturday (23rd/24th August 2013).



Moderator Note: As the broadcast of this series is imminent and I predict comment on the content of the episodes, I've taken the liberty of renaming the topic to include the programme name.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: James on August 25, 2013, 09:38:28
Have heard that the production team were at the Dawlish Air Show on Friday and Saturday (23rd/24th August 2013).



Moderator Note: As the broadcast of this series is imminent and I predict comment on the content of the episodes, I've taken the liberty of renaming the topic to include the programme name.

Cool, cant wait to see those episodes including the one 'FGW at Dawlish Airshow'.
Does anyone know how many episodes they is likely to be on this excellent documentary (sorry if it has already been said) i might have missed it...


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 25, 2013, 10:15:31
12 episodes, each of approximately 45 minutes run time excluding commercials and trailers for other shows.



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: James on August 25, 2013, 10:20:02
12 episodes, each of approximately 45 minutes run time excluding commercials and trailers for other shows.

Cheers Bignosemac, i was also going to mention about the commercials myself. Does there really have to be a commercial every 15 minutes or so, as it spoils the documentary, which it has done on other documentaries.
Anyway you wait until next week Thursday to see what drama's unfold  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 25, 2013, 10:20:56
They should do a Saturday night at Redruth...  Priceless viewing.
How come? Nothing happens here!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: sprinterguard on August 25, 2013, 12:35:13
12 episodes, each of approximately 45 minutes run time excluding commercials and trailers for other shows.

Cheers Bignosemac, i was also going to mention about the commercials myself. Does there really have to be a commercial every 15 minutes or so, as it spoils the documentary, which it has done on other documentaries.
Anyway you wait until next week Thursday to see what drama's unfold  ;D


Channel 5 need the advertising revenue.. it's what pays for the programming. Obviously frequent commercials are not ideal; but I cannot see a way around this for C5. You could however watch it back after recording it, thus skipping said adverts!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: trainer on August 25, 2013, 12:39:01
Does there really have to be a commercial every 15 minutes or so,

Yes...it's how commercial television is funded.  Best to record it.  Most commercial stations have about 42mins of programme for each broadcast hour.  I think 12mins/hr is still the maximum advertising allowed - the rest is trails and other padding.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 25, 2013, 12:44:13
And you could wait until the episodes appear on Channel 5's online catch-up service - Demand 5 - and watch it with an adblock browser add-on.

Daring to say, on another rail forum, that I often do this, had someone questioning my morals and likening it to media piracy! I see it as avoidance rather than evasion. Using an adblocker isn't illegal.

I have adblocking on as a default in my browser and chose which websites I wish to whitelist. Demand 5 isn't on that whitelist... yet. If this series turns out to be good then I may revisit that decision.  :)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: trainer on August 25, 2013, 13:07:47
It is Homer Simpson's opinion that watching television without the ads is like stealing.  Wonderful philosopher.  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on August 25, 2013, 15:05:42
hmmm - trailer I saw yesterday referred to 8 in the series.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: James on August 25, 2013, 15:12:45
And you could wait until the episodes appear on Channel 5's online catch-up service - Demand 5 - and watch it with an adblock browser add-on.

Daring to say, on another rail forum, that I often do this, had someone questioning my morals and likening it to media piracy! I see it as avoidance rather than evasion. Using an adblocker isn't illegal.

I have adblocking on as a default in my browser and chose which websites I wish to whitelist. Demand 5 isn't on that whitelist... yet. If this series turns out to be good then I may revisit that decision.  :)

Well thats a fair comment to be honest. However i have problems with the demand five service, as whilst it's playing after 10 minutes or so the first ad comes up and then it freezes completely. If i try to skip to the part before the ad was due, it also freezes and then i have to watch it from the beginning with the same thing happening again, even with super fast broadband. So the only way i can watch is in via the TV....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: James on August 25, 2013, 15:14:27
hmmm - trailer I saw yesterday referred to 8 in the series.

Just 8 episodes...
I thought someone said it was 12... now i am confused  ???


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 25, 2013, 15:21:39
From the Radio Times (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-15/sneak-peek-first-great-western-train-series-on-channel-5):

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Channel 5 is currently filming a new train-themed series, which will follow the staff of First Great Western as they connect the capital to the beautiful South West and destinations such as Cornwall, Devon, Swansea and Reading.

During the eight 60 minute episodes we^ll see a scenic iconic panoramas of trains crossing viaducts and bridges. As they pass lakes and rolling fields, we'll learn from those driving, managing, fixing and dealing with customers along the spectacular 170 year-old route.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: James on August 25, 2013, 15:25:20
From the Radio Times (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-15/sneak-peek-first-great-western-train-series-on-channel-5):

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Channel 5 is currently filming a new train-themed series, which will follow the staff of First Great Western as they connect the capital to the beautiful South West and destinations such as Cornwall, Devon, Swansea and Reading.

During the eight 60 minute episodes we^ll see a scenic iconic panoramas of trains crossing viaducts and bridges. As they pass lakes and rolling fields, we'll learn from those driving, managing, fixing and dealing with customers along the spectacular 170 year-old route.

Ah thank you for the confirmation Chris, was a bit suspicious about more than 8 episodes... still if it happened for longer (which doesn't look likely) then it would be even better.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 25, 2013, 15:48:22
And my apologies for saying it was 12. My source was incorrect. Should have been more thorough and corroborated with the ever reliable Radio Times.  :-[

<one self administered slap on the wrist>


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on August 25, 2013, 22:39:52
Sky guide is showing 12...

Documentary series. Paddington's duty station manager Simon deals with major signal failure and train manager Jodie helps boozy party-goers to get around without causing delays.

Season 1/1 Episode 1/12 Length 1 hour News & Documentaries, Features

Trailer here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6MrDMkWDZY


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on August 25, 2013, 23:04:13
And my apologies for saying it was 12. My source was incorrect. Should have been more thorough and corroborated with the ever reliable Radio Times.  :-[

<one self administered slap on the wrist>

Radio Times (printed version) does say 12.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.msg138163#msg138163 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.msg138163#msg138163)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: trainer on August 25, 2013, 23:13:56
Radio Times (printed version) does say 12.

Possibly 12 on extended platforms only.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Lee on August 26, 2013, 01:06:06
Possibly 12 on extended platforms only.

 ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 26, 2013, 05:37:57
And going to the horses mouth, the production company, further confuses matters:

http://www.twofour.co.uk/work/first-great-western/

It says on that page that the series is 8x30'.  ???

I really hope they haven't edited 30 minute episodes (typically 23 minutes of material) up to a runtime of 45ish minutes, with one of the all too common traits of recent 'fly-on-the-wall' type shows. That is, to constantly flash-forward and flash-back with scenes, prior to and after commercial breaks. In one episode you can often see the same scene four times. Broadcasters seem incapable of a linear narrative these days. Seemingly of the belief that the modern TV viewer has the attention span of a....
.
.
.
.
.... what was I talking about?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: chuffed on August 26, 2013, 08:19:52
Sounds as if the programmes may be tottering along on extended platform..heels ::)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 26, 2013, 09:21:03
I'm guessing its 8 weeks with the potential for 12, or Channel 5 can fill weeks 9-12 with some other repeats. As they're reported to still be filming last week I am guessing they are unsure exactly how much material they have yet,


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: devon_metro on August 27, 2013, 00:32:00
And going to the horses mouth, the production company, further confuses matters:

http://www.twofour.co.uk/work/first-great-western/

It says on that page that the series is 8x30'.  ???

I really hope they haven't edited 30 minute episodes (typically 23 minutes of material) up to a runtime of 45ish minutes, with one of the all too common traits of recent 'fly-on-the-wall' type shows. That is, to constantly flash-forward and flash-back with scenes, prior to and after commercial breaks. In one episode you can often see the same scene four times. Broadcasters seem incapable of a linear narrative these days. Seemingly of the belief that the modern TV viewer has the attention span of a....
.
.
.
.
.... what was I talking about?

I tend to find Channel 5 prolific with "coming up after the break" and "before the break" type clips.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: litecactus on August 29, 2013, 16:18:54
Tonight at 8pm on Channel 5 is a TV Documentary about How FGW is run.

see here:

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/cm5htf/the-railway-first-great-western--series-1---episode-1

and here:

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: paul7575 on August 29, 2013, 16:44:00
Tonight at 8pm on Channel 5 is a TV Documentary about How FGW is run...

...and here's the four page thread about the series already running:
 http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.0



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: grahame on August 29, 2013, 17:11:52
Tonight at 8pm on Channel 5 is a TV Documentary about How FGW is run...

...and here's the four page thread about the series already running:
 http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11912.0



I have merged the topics ... but at the same time saying "Thank you" to litecactus for raising the program on the forum.  Newer members and occasional visitors must find it incredibly difficult to know where to post or if indeed something has some up before ...

Yes, worth merging so that it's easier to reference later.  But totally understood that there were a couple of similar threads!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 29, 2013, 21:06:16
I'm having some internet issues, particularly with streaming video (funny how this past week I had lots of down time and very slow speeds - can't be at all related to leaving my current supplier in a few days, can it?) so may not get to watch the first episode on Demand 5 until late tonight or tomorrow.

No spoilers please!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Brucey on August 29, 2013, 21:13:56
I can't say I was too impressed.  I think the close proximity to a BBC series of the same name made it slightly repetitive.

I also did not like the "phone 090...." bit before the advert break.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: anthony215 on August 29, 2013, 21:25:00
This episode was ok-ish. Some camerawork could do with some tidying up along with stop trying to cram so much into a episode.

Apart from that a good documentary to watch for the next few weeks.

Next weeks episode looks to be interresting


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on August 29, 2013, 21:30:17
Oh dear I may be a lone voice.

I thought it was rather good. Not too many continuity errors and I felt the choice of shots was good on the whole.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Busboy W1 on August 29, 2013, 21:34:18
I wonder how many times we will see a train with its headlights on with a driver in the seat going backwards out of Paddington ? Shame about the 180 with no air con presumably on the 17:18 a few weeks back, just about kept with that bit after shots of about 5 other trains. And anybody want to go on the blue train round South Africa ? Don't think so....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 29, 2013, 22:29:09
......and making it appear that Long Rock depot can change HST engines (I knew it was Laira straight away ::) and said so to the missus who was watching as well).


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: trainer on August 29, 2013, 23:23:30
Oh dear I may be a lone voice.

No bob - I'm with you.  Looking forward to the rest.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 30, 2013, 00:18:04
Very good.

Minor continuity niggles. But content wise it was a good start.

Simon at Paddington (I note that the voice-over got his surname wrong - Jeffery, not Jeffries) is an excellent example of Customer Service in times of adversity. It was he who sorted out my ticket problems when gateline and ticket office staff said I couldn't travel in the evening peak despite holding a valid ticket.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BBM on August 30, 2013, 08:06:58
Shame about the 180 with no air con presumably on the 17:18 a few weeks back

Yes it was, I was on that train, and I also appeared briefly in shot on last night's programme...  :(


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on August 30, 2013, 09:04:17
On the whole, I thought it good.

Continuity problems galore - some alluded to already, but what about the shots of the overcrowded 180 at PAD that pulled out looking very much like an HST?!

Interesting that, on twitter, employees thought it a poor program while the punters thought it reasonable to good. Unfortunately, watching footage of a good day on FGW would be quite boring, hence the editors will always plump for the problematic days as it makes for a more interesting programme, especially when they feature staff dealing well with it....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: trainer on August 30, 2013, 09:21:03
Interesting that, on twitter, employees thought it a poor program while the punters thought it reasonable to good. Unfortunately, watching footage of a good day on FGW would be quite boring, hence the editors will always plump for the problematic days as it makes for a more interesting programme, especially when they feature staff dealing well with it....

I think the staff came out extremely well: a credit to their own integrity and that of the company.  It is true though that most tv is made interesting by conflict, whether drama or 'reality' (not really) televison.  The editing is the crucial thing and I'm afraid the people who came out worst were the great travelling public: moaning, drunk, angry, ill-prepared.  We know that's not true for most as well, but it grabs the viewer. 


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Network SouthEast on August 30, 2013, 09:39:30
Others have already said, but the only things that wound me up were the repeated shots from the 180 cab going backwards/forwards between Royal Oak and Paddington and trains going forward/reversing when it would have been the other way around. I suspect this is because the production company don't have much in the way of library footage, although I find this a surprise because they've had crews everywhere over the last few months.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on August 30, 2013, 10:35:22
I quite enjoyed it, I understand the continuity issues would niggle those who "know" better, although I guess to your average viewer, most of them wouldn't have been noticed.

Those annoyed by the adverts etc, may I suggest if you have the technology, download it via Sky* On Demand, as it was a clean 44 minutes with the adverts removed  ;).

*Other on-demand platforms are available.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on August 30, 2013, 14:45:43
Programme one was to me very interesting and I imagine FGW managaement would have been pleased with it.
There are however continuity erros in moany TV programmes, factual or fiction, but most people do not spot them. Many of the contributors to this forum are very knowledgeable and so they spot them so please do not get too upset.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 30, 2013, 15:26:29

...There are however continuity erros in moany TV programmes...


...and spolling errors in moany posts! Something I am all-to-often guilty of myself.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Rhydgaled on August 31, 2013, 01:07:10
Others have already said, but the only things that wound me up were the repeated shots from the 180 cab going backwards/forwards between Royal Oak and Paddington and trains going forward/reversing when it would have been the other way around. I suspect this is because the production company don't have much in the way of library footage, although I find this a surprise because they've had crews everywhere over the last few months.
I think I saw one of the class 43 powercars with HP advertising stickers all over it, which must be new rather than library footage.

Shame about the 180 with no air con presumably on the 17:18 a few weeks back, just about kept with that bit after shots of about 5 other trains.
I wasn't able to decide whether the train with the air-con fault was an IC125 or a class 180, since they kept cutting between the 180 and shots of other trains in the station.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Network SouthEast on August 31, 2013, 09:51:28
Others have already said, but the only things that wound me up were the repeated shots from the 180 cab going backwards/forwards between Royal Oak and Paddington and trains going forward/reversing when it would have been the other way around. I suspect this is because the production company don't have much in the way of library footage, although I find this a surprise because they've had crews everywhere over the last few months.
I think I saw one of the class 43 powercars with HP advertising stickers all over it, which must be new rather than library footage.
I said they don't have much in the way of library footage, not did!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on August 31, 2013, 12:08:23
Re Spoilers - don't read the thread if you don't want to know before you watch!

Why should the rest of us have to await your catch-up?.....:-)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 31, 2013, 21:10:54
A rather amusing review, from the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/aug/30/the-railway-first-great-western):

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The Railway: First Great Western

It's obvious what's wrong with our rail network ^ the passengers

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/29/1377790458632/Jody-Edwards-train-manage-010.jpg)
Stop lipping her ^ train manager Jody Edwards in The Railway: First Great Western. Photograph: Channel 5

Oh no! Cows on the track! And drunks on the train! If only it was the other way round. Then, you see, we'd have docile passengers who wouldn't get trollied, dodge fares and block the toilet. Plus, if we harnessed bovine methane somehow to power the railways, trains would have a minimal carbon hoofprint.

In this happier world, expresses could speed on, slaying intrusive local wildlife without fear of Shami Chakrabarti launching boring human rights suits. A cull of drunks, not badgers, is what Britain demands in 2013.

The problem with our rail network isn't the rolling stock, ticket pricing structures or track. It's you. If you stayed home, trains would be tickety boo. So, at least, I now believe, having watched The Railway: First Great Western (Channel 5).

"It's taken me longer to get here from Reading than it took me to fly from Montpellier," brayed one passenger to Paddington's duty manager Simon who, incredibly, affected to care. Maria, who is Paddington's ^ I love this ^ welcome ambassador (yeah, and I'm Birmingham New Street's greetings tsar) should have little pots of bear marmalade to give to those who are nice to her. She should also have water cannon for middle-class complainants whose bleats imply a second home in Languedoc-Roussillon, when she's dealing with the network-neutralising consequences of little twerps setting fire to the track outside Swindon. "He mentioned Montpellier!" "Spray the ponce!" Too much? Perhaps.

Hell, as Sartre failed to realise, isn't so much other people as other people on Saturday's 20.45 from Paddington to Swansea. Stop hiding in big suitcases to evade your fare! Stop lipping train manager Jody Edwards, who is, insanely, the only person on duty in this mobile circle of hell (the driver, you'd hope, notwithstanding). Take your rubbish home, Sloberella! Thank you for choosing First Great Western and have a lovely weekend, human slime.

There was too much of the engineer who nightly extracts fecal matter from a loco's infernal underbelly before putting the train back in service. Hours later he repeats his Sisyphean task. They say Britain is broken. Not so: while you sleep it is being fixed so you can screw it over anew during your waking hours.

What happened to the romance of the railways? It got shunted into a museum. It got frozen like a Grecian urn on that Blur album cover. In Sherlock last year, Russell Tovey asked Benedict Cumberbatch how he inferred from the stain on his cuff that he'd had a disappointing breakfast on the train. Is there any other kind, the master sleuth retorted.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on August 31, 2013, 22:10:47
"Birmingham New Street's greetings tsar" Brilliant!

I did a similar job many moons ago at Bristol Temple Meads. Said on my badge - "Customer Service Assistant"

"Bristol Temple Meads' Salutation F^hrer" wouldn't fit on the badge.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on September 01, 2013, 12:37:33
I seem to remember on "Inside Gatwick" that was on Sky, the customer service staff in the airport were also called "Ambassadors".  I think a similar role was created for the Olympics.

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"It's taken me longer to get here from Reading than it took me to fly from Montpellier," brayed one passenger to Paddington's duty manager Simon who, incredibly, affected to care.

He didn't encounter the Paddington DSM, at all, he was at Reading... ::).


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: plymothian on September 01, 2013, 19:25:58
Just caught up on Demand5 (sans adverts), really enjoyed it.  Programmes like this always make me want to be part of the action.

To the woman who complained her ^23 fare went up in smoke because 'they' can't get the trains to run;  I'd call that a bargain, add on a few 0s and you might be permitted to moan more.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on September 02, 2013, 21:42:43
A rather amusing review, from the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/aug/30/the-railway-first-great-western):


Hell, as Sartre failed to realise, isn't so much other people as other people on Saturday's 20.45 from Paddington to Swansea.

"Do I know where hell is? Hell is in "Hello!""

I finally got to watch the programme on 5 OD, and I rather enjoyed it. I hear what is said about it being a bad day at the office for FGW, rather than a normal boring day, but that's television for you. How you deal with the bad days is, IMHO, the measure of the people dealing with them. FGW came out on top, in my opinion. The travelling British public do not understand that vandals setting fire to lineside equipment is going to impact on services.

My favourite bit was the lady telling the Ops Manager that the train was, in her opinion, "dangerous". I would have told her "Well, don't get on it then", but I don't work for FGW.

I am in the public sector, and get some stick sometimes, nothing I can't deal with. I have to give out bad news occasionally, similar to telling someone that the train is cancelled. In my (considerable) experience, honesty is always the best policy. Tell it like it is, and no-one can call you to task. Not only that, you don't have to remember what you said.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on September 02, 2013, 22:56:25
I was down and up the line between Swindon and South/West Wales today.

Sadly, none of the Train Managers were as good looking (to my eyes... YMMV) as Jody. But then, they were all male.  :P ;) ;D

To compound matters there was no Travelling Chef on the 1228 off Swansea. Grrr.

Meanwhile, back to the Ch5 show. I noticed that Wayne Spence MBE featured very briefly in the title sequence for the show. Regular users of Bristol Temple Meads should recognise Wayne. I spoke with him this evening, asking whether he featured in the TV series in any great detail. He told me that he was filmed, but he has no idea how much of that filming will be broadcast.

I hope he does get some of the spotlight. Wayne is without doubt the best member of staff at Bristol Temple Meads (his gong confirms that), and a shining example of customer service to which all FGW staff should aspire.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on September 03, 2013, 10:52:24
Indeed, one can work a way to politely indicate that if they have a non-flexible ticket, they will have a reserved seat, and if it's flexible, well, there's always a choice to arrive early(ier) or get the next one....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 03, 2013, 11:17:47
At 26:20 minutes in, in the middle of the item on Long Rock depot, there were shots of an HST Power Car being lifted and a power unit being changed.  And there was me thinking Long Rock only did A exams!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: SandTEngineer on September 03, 2013, 15:45:49
At 26:20 minutes in, in the middle of the item on Long Rock depot, there were shots of an HST Power Car being lifted and a power unit being changed.  And there was me thinking Long Rock only did A exams!
.......I had already made that observation back in post No.57 ::)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 03, 2013, 18:52:10
At 26:20 minutes in, in the middle of the item on Long Rock depot, there were shots of an HST Power Car being lifted and a power unit being changed.  And there was me thinking Long Rock only did A exams!
.......I had already made that observation back in post No.57 ::)

Sorry, missed that!  Great minds think alike etc.....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on September 03, 2013, 20:08:38

Sadly, none of the Train Managers were as good looking (to my eyes... YMMV) as Jody. But then, they were all male.  :P ;) ;D


Not just me, then...


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: FGW Huge on September 04, 2013, 08:50:11
i also noticed it stated while having a shot of a class 150 Sprinter, that they called it a pacer.!!!! its not a pacer!!!!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 04, 2013, 13:42:46

Sadly, none of the Train Managers were as good looking (to my eyes... YMMV) as Jody. But then, they were all male.  :P ;) ;D


Not just me, then...

Although I am definitely not one, I'm surprised that the more PC posters/moderators amongst us (and we know who you are!!) are comfortable with personal comments being made about the appearance etc of FGW staff. 

It would not be acceptable for such comments to be made by his/her line manager.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Phil on September 04, 2013, 14:19:26
I did ponder that one briefly Gordon, but to be perfectly honest I assumed that the person in question was an actress and not FGW staff at all.

First do after all have a fair bit of previous -

http://omnibuses.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/positive-image.html


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on September 04, 2013, 14:26:56
His/her line manager represents their employer, and that is the reason it wouldn't be acceptable.

Those of us posting here have no relationship (working or otherwise) with these members of staff and thus are able to comment just as we can comment on any other TV programme and those that appear in them....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: grahame on September 04, 2013, 15:55:04
I too thought carefully but let it stay. In this case, where other normal rules like not naming operation staff clearly don't apply it was quite an easy decision; in other cases the decision might be more difficult and different too.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on September 04, 2013, 23:52:22
Although I am definitely not one, I'm surprised that the more PC posters/moderators amongst us (and we know who you are!!) are comfortable with personal comments being made about the appearance etc of FGW staff. 

It would not be acceptable for such comments to be made by his/her line manager.

Oh dear. Did I cross a line in the sand?

For any offence caused, I apologise.

However, those that are 'definitely not one' (of the PC brigade) would have noticed the smileys and realised I wasn't being anti-PC. Just being a little light hearted, and, in a roundabout way, passing comment on the way people are featured in these fly-on-the-wall documentaries.

I see no great issue in describing someone as good looking, nor in saying that Jody's male colleagues didn't float my boat. Particularly when the smileys were used. And they were used quite deliberately.

TV producers tend to look for an 'angle'. Had it been dour David Jones* from Swansea's TM depot that featured, then I doubt that the story of the lone TM dealing with South Wales finest would've featured so heavily, if at all. A young, blonde, female TM is always going to be better TV in the eyes of the programme makers. That's not to say I necessarily agree with that, but that's just how it tends to be.

Hopefully, if I was in a hole following my earlier comments, I haven't continued digging. Do feel free to tell me if I am.



*Random name. Any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.  ;)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: grahame on September 05, 2013, 03:47:58

Oh dear. Did I cross a line in the sand?


No, you didn't.   There was no line there - there might have been had this not been vividly in the public domain, and especially so as being in the public domain in this way was clearly the choice of the person in question and her employer.  I was merely indicating that I thought about it for a brief moment when I first saw it.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on September 05, 2013, 16:06:17
Looks like we can move on, then. More important than the glory seemed to me to be the power - the constant problems and even more constant solution finding impressed me, even though I would prefer an unbreakable railway running to the very second of accuracy.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 05, 2013, 21:14:51
How did the HST at Castle Cary have power doors?  ???


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: anthony215 on September 05, 2013, 21:51:09
It was a class 165/166 FGW used them on the extras between London and Castle Cary last summer.

Basically the producers kept switching between shots of a hst and the turbo's. This problem was picked up with last weeks episode.

Next weeks episode looks like it will be great as we see a familiar face from the BBC railway documentary


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on September 05, 2013, 22:37:57
Russ or Ross in Lost Property, Bristol?

Introduced by voiceover and caption as Russ. Thereafter referred to in voiceover as Ross.  ::)

Elsewhere, the familiar faces of the Pullman dining team showing just what the job entails. It's not easy to cook and silver serve food at up to 125mph.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 06, 2013, 08:50:58
Missed last week's, but watched most of last nights.

Didn't know that the depot in Plymouth was now named after a girl! (it was referred to as "Lara").

The sections on Glasto at Castle Cary, Her Majesty on the St Ives Branch and The Pullman were all a good watch.

I hope they are also going to cover the less glorious parts of the FGW world like overcrowding in London/The Thames Valley/Cotswolds, 180's that don't work very well, etc.

Also hope they are going to cover The Night Riviera at some point.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on September 06, 2013, 10:53:20
I can confirm the Night Riviera does feature at some point.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 06, 2013, 11:56:48
Russ or Ross in Lost Property, Bristol?

Introduced by voiceover and caption as Russ. Thereafter referred to in voiceover as Ross.  ::)

I read that before watching, and when it came up I couldn't hear any difference in what was said.

So I think you've over-reacted to the narrator's accent, in which the short 'u' and 'o' sounds are very similar (and both are close to a neutral 'ə' vowel). Paul Copley comes from Denby Dale in Yorkshire, though no doubt his original accent has been toned down by a long career as an actor. I imagine he can do a range of accents, and for this national TV production would have adopted a "bloke in the street" mild but friendly one.

That does, however, raise the question of why this distinctive regional accent was chosen for a program with a distinctively regional subject, not a voice with some link to FGW's territory.



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: lordgoata on September 06, 2013, 12:03:02
That does, however, raise the question of why this distinctive regional accent was chosen for a program with a distinctively regional subject, not a voice with some link to FGW's territory.

Itcouldhavebeenworse. Itcouldhavebeenthatguyfromthedepot. :)

My god did he speak quickly! Dave I think it was ?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on September 06, 2013, 17:26:52

That does, however, raise the question of why this distinctive regional accent was chosen for a program with a distinctively regional subject, not a voice with some link to FGW's territory.


Some link to FGW's territory, m'han'some? Boodful idea, but difficult to choose one pacific aerial, me babber, depending on which frog and toad yer drum's in. Boyo.

Or which of probably a dozen or more distinct main accents within FGW land would fit the bill?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 06, 2013, 19:18:11


That does, however, raise the question of why this distinctive regional accent was chosen for a program with a distinctively regional subject, not a voice with some link to FGW's territory.




Welsh? Bristolian? Cornish? London? Somerset? Jethro?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Brucey on September 19, 2013, 20:06:12
Has anyone else found the Series Link to go "a bit weird" on this programme?  It records the actual service on Channel Five, then again on Five+1, then the repeat the next week, then the repeat on Five+1.  So I end up with four copies of the same episode ::)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on September 20, 2013, 08:36:50
I understand that the film crew has still not yet finished recording and I have heard that next Saturday, 28 September they will be boarding the CLPG charter train from the Cotswold Line to the Swanage Line recording material for the 12th and final show in the series. Incidentally, this CLPG charter was originally intended to terminate at Swanage and was thought to be the first HST to traverse the line. It now seems that there are fears that the train could foul the platform at Swanage and it will therefore terminate at Corfe Castle where travellers will transfer to a Swanage Railway heritage train for the final stretch to Swanage.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Fourbee on September 20, 2013, 10:10:59
Had to laugh at the passenger last night having a go about lack of ticketing facilities at Reading late at night, then was found with a ticket to Reading West when he allegedly wanted to go to Maidenhead.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Fourbee on September 20, 2013, 10:13:55
Also the issue of (Off Peak Day) returns being valid until 0230 the next day got me thinking it should really be a bit later than that. Having to pay an Anytime fare for a service at 0330, say, seems a bit excessive.

Do commuters generally start before 0430, which I believe is the cut-off on Oyster?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: paul7575 on September 20, 2013, 11:22:18
Also the issue of (Off Peak Day) returns being valid until 0230 the next day got me thinking it should really be a bit later than that. Having to pay an Anytime fare for a service at 0330, say, seems a bit excessive.

Do commuters generally start before 0430, which I believe is the cut-off on Oyster?

Currently, on the 'rail system' you'd pay an anytime fare immediately after midnight.  However the 'railway day' now starts at 0000 and lasts 28.5 hours (it changed within the last couple of years), but that's a 4.5 hour overlap and it is significant.  If you buy an off-peak day return ticket at 2359 it will be valid for another 4.5 hours, but one minute later it will be the next day, and offpeak fares will no longer be available.  A pair of passengers who time it wrongly at midnight at a TVM could end up with an offpeak for yesterday and an anytime for today, IYSWIM...

I do believe (unless recently fixed) that Oyster validity in the middle of the night is somewhat prone to failure, as the 'Oyster day' change is not instantaneous, but varies by time across the zonal network. This leads to random maximum cash fares being charged for uncompleted journeys on the few NR services that do operate overnight, such as on the Thameslink route.  This is because the touch in/touch out system was set up for the tube, which doesn't work at all overnight, so doesn't face the same problems.

Paul


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Timmer on September 20, 2013, 16:43:52
Had to laugh at the passenger last night having a go about lack of ticketing facilities at Reading late at night, then was found with a ticket to Reading West when he allegedly wanted to go to Maidenhead.
I wasn't laughing. As a fare paying passenger and taxpayer I was rather angry that the railways are losing ^1 billion a year through fare evasion seeing how these people operate to avoid paying fares or paying the approriate price and despite some effort on the part of the TOCs something that will continue...bit like shoplifting I suppose.

Sure the program showed them all having to queue to get a ticket to get through the barrier making out that the surprise of having the barriers closed late a night had foiled the fare dodgers but what tickets were they buying?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Brucey on September 20, 2013, 18:07:34
Also the issue of (Off Peak Day) returns being valid until 0230 the next day got me thinking it should really be a bit later than that. Having to pay an Anytime fare for a service at 0330, say, seems a bit excessive.

Do commuters generally start before 0430, which I believe is the cut-off on Oyster?
The railway day was recently (last few years) changed to match the Oyster times, with tickets for the previous day ceasing to be valid at 0430 (as pointed out by paul7755).

Unless the passengers were making a journey over one hour, then their tickets would have been valid at that time.

I couldn't work out whether this was an "egg in their face" moment for FGW or whether the member of staff was actually correct.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on September 20, 2013, 19:17:53
If you put in say Maidenhead to Reading into the NR planner it indicates the cheap day return is valid on the 2:24, but the 3:54 requires an anytime single. However, the restriction code on the CDR is W3 which indicates validity as "DATE ON TICKET UNTIL 0429 THE NEXT MORNING'.

Some inconsistency somewhere ...


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: paul7575 on September 20, 2013, 20:22:18
Not really inconsistent, the ticket is valid if bought the day before travel, but AFAIK shouldn't be available to buy after midnight.  Maybe if you do the same query after 2359 (and on a weekday) it comes up with a different answer?

Paul


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on September 20, 2013, 22:41:56
The journey planner is stating a CDR ticket for a journey starting the day before is not valid for return on the 3:54.

If you look at a return journey that starts after midnight you can still buy a CDR for an outward leg on the 2:24, but no later (until after 9:00).


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: paul7575 on September 20, 2013, 23:13:58
Ah, so the assumed error is that the planners are apparently unaware of the change of the day end from 0230 to 0430?

If that is a systematic error across all TOC sites as well as the National Rail one, I wonder what is going on?

Paul


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Rhydgaled on September 20, 2013, 23:52:11
With my understanding of electronics being lacking, can somebody explain why battery problems stopped the lights working on the sleeper? I thought power for heating, air-con and lighting came from the locomotive (hence you can't use a class 66 on a sleeper as they aren't equiped to supply power to coaches), with batteries only for keeping the lights (and not the heating/cooling) on for half an hour if the loco fails.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 21, 2013, 00:02:22
With my understanding of electronics being lacking, can somebody explain why battery problems stopped the lights working on the sleeper? I thought power for heating, air-con and lighting came from the locomotive (hence you can't use a class 66 on a sleeper as they aren't equiped to supply power to coaches), with batteries only for keeping the lights (and not the heating/cooling) on for half an hour if the loco fails.
I assumed it was a float battery system - rather like in a car, or a computer uninterruptible supply - and has the lights run off the battery permanently rather than via a switch.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2013, 00:13:36
Looking forward to next week's episode to see the resolution of the, 'kicked up the ass', incident at Newbury.  ;D

An obvious assault caught on camera, but I did chuckle.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 21, 2013, 00:19:20
The journey planner is stating a CDR ticket for a journey starting the day before is not valid for return on the 3:54.

If you look at a return journey that starts after midnight you can still buy a CDR for an outward leg on the 2:24, but no later (until after 9:00).

Funny. I tried the journey planner, from Slough to Reading, and it offers a CDR at ^8.10 for return up to 05:10, and lists all times of return trains currently being shown as available. If I ask for later return trains, so the first time displayed is 05:10, the CDR is no longer offered ("no return fares available"). So the JP itself appears to know the rule but not to apply the rules correctly.

If you put in say Maidenhead to Reading into the NR planner it indicates the cheap day return is valid on the 2:24, but the 3:54 requires an anytime single. However, the restriction code on the CDR is W3 which indicates validity as "DATE ON TICKET UNTIL 0429 THE NEXT MORNING'.

Some inconsistency somewhere ...

I can't find any words about the day for day returns running up to 04:29 anywhere - not via JP, not in the NRCOC, not in the ATOC leaflet about tickets. The one place I can find it is the full text of the "General Conditions for this Ticket Type
CDR/CDS/FCD/FCR/FRX/FSO/FSX/ GE1/OPF/SVH OFF-PEAK DAY ..." in BRFares. Note, it's not part of the W3 code itself.

This says:
"Off-Peak Day Singles and Returns, GroupSave Day Returns: Valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket and until 0429 the following day, by which time all travel must be completed."
Of course in most other instances, a time limit of validity is for boarding unless it explicitly says "timed to arrive at...", so the full words are needed every time this 04:30 end time is quoted.

So where, officially, am I supposed to find this out?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: grahame on September 21, 2013, 07:32:23
You'll have seen me talk against returns at 10p more than singles, and day returns, on another thread. I do NOT condone travelling without paying, nor knowingly travelling without a valid ticket ... but the system that's currently set up is anachronistic, hard to find out about in certain circumstances, very unfair at times, and difficult even for the staff to follow when you get into some of the obscure rules / circumstances. 

IF ONLY ... outbound tickets valid for 24 hours from time of issue or start of first journey (whichever is the earlier) ... return portions of such tickets valid on train scheduled to arrive at destination [xxxx] after the outbound start time, subject [off peak / super off peak] to not being available on [the busiest / busy] trains to a published list

Again - not condoning fare dodging, but is it really fair that a trip from Maidenhead for 8 hours out in Reading (and back) should cost 7 pounds if you travel out at 07:00 on Thursday, 5.80 if you travel out at 13:00, and 12 pounds if you travel out at 21:00?



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Valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket and until 0429 the following day, by which time all travel must be completed.

Goodness - does that mean that if a train that's scheduled to arrive at 04:20 gets delayed until 04:40, anyone who's using the end of a CDR/CDS/FCD/FCR/FRX/FSO/FSX/ GE1/OPF/SVH OFF-PEAK DAY is considered to be travelling without a valid ticket?   Why not "scheduled to arrive" in the rule?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 21, 2013, 08:27:36
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Valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket and until 0429 the following day, by which time all travel must be completed.

Goodness - does that mean that if a train that's scheduled to arrive at 04:20 gets delayed until 04:40, anyone who's using the end of a CDR/CDS/FCD/FCR/FRX/FSO/FSX/ GE1/OPF/SVH OFF-PEAK DAY is considered to be travelling without a valid ticket?   Why not "scheduled to arrive" in the rule?

Ah - now that is in the Conditions of Carriage:

Quote from: National Rail Conditions of Carriage From 20th May 2012
11. The period during which you can use a ticket
The period during which a ticket is valid is printed on the ticket or will be made clear to you when you buy your ticket. If you use a ticket after the expiry of the ticket^s validity, you may be treated as having joined a train without a ticket and Condition 2 or 4 will apply.

If, as a result of a delay to your train, the validity of the ticket you are using expires during your journey, you will still be allowed to complete that journey. However, in these circumstances, you may not break your journey unless your train is so delayed that a break is reasonably required.

But - note there is no requirement that they provide you with all the restrictions etc. in writing to accompany the ticket, even though this is obviously essential for those of us who can't reliably memorise and recall this kind of stuff, or in case of a change of plan so what you asked for no longer applies ...

Of course once you get rules spread over several sources, you get problems of precedence - quite apart from just finding them all.

NRCOC also contains this:

Quote from: NRCOC Introduction
Your obligations
You must:
^ Have a valid ticket or tickets for the whole of your journey, at the time you want to travel and on the route and trains you want to use. Unless otherwise indicated, you must purchase your ticket before boarding the train you intend to use.

I'm sure that, if you are operating in barrack-room lawyer mode, you could have some fun with those "want to" bits.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Fourbee on September 21, 2013, 09:53:50
Had to laugh at the passenger last night having a go about lack of ticketing facilities at Reading late at night, then was found with a ticket to Reading West when he allegedly wanted to go to Maidenhead.
I wasn't laughing. As a fare paying passenger and taxpayer I was rather angry that the railways are losing ^1 billion a year through fare evasion seeing how these people operate to avoid paying fares or paying the approriate price and despite some effort on the part of the TOCs something that will continue...bit like shoplifting I suppose.

Sure the program showed them all having to queue to get a ticket to get through the barrier making out that the surprise of having the barriers closed late a night had foiled the fare dodgers but what tickets were they buying?

Just to clarify, I agree with your sentiments. It was the individual who had the brass neck, I certainly do not find the whole situation funny.

It does seem the application of the rules tapers off as the day/evening wears on. The people who arrived without valid tickets were allowed to purchase them. What about PF's?

You would encounter a more robust approach if you turned up at Reading during the day IMO.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2013, 11:28:15
Just to clarify, I agree with your sentiments. It was the individual who had the brass neck, I certainly do not find the whole situation funny.

It does seem the application of the rules tapers off as the day/evening wears on. The people who arrived without valid tickets were allowed to purchase them. What about PF's?

You would encounter a more robust approach if you turned up at Reading during the day IMO.
And you knew he wasn't the only one who was doing what he did. FGW would easily be able to track the sudden surge of ticket sales to certain destinations around the Reading area whenever they decide to close the barriers late at night, a time when they are most needed and yes you would find a more robust approach at stations during the day when barriers are in operation.

The most fustrating thing is you know the TOCs know it's happening. If they didn't they sure do now after watching 'The Railway: First Great Western'.

I guess the cost of having RPIs out late a night and barriers manned on a consistent basis outweighs the revenue that would be collected.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 21, 2013, 15:23:44
Funny. I tried the journey planner, from Slough to Reading, and it offers a CDR at ^8.10 for return up to 05:10, and lists all times of return trains currently being shown as available. If I ask for later return trains, so the first time displayed is 05:10, the CDR is no longer offered ("no return fares available"). So the JP itself appears to know the rule but not to apply the rules correctly.

There's been some confusion about this, and I must apologise for added to it - I had the impression if was a Friday night, quite wrongly. The revenue blockade at Reading was actually on a Monday night (29-30 July).

However, if I repeat the exercise for a Monday, the Journey Planner still gives contradictory results.

From Slough, it offers a CDR out up to the 2:04 which arrives at 2:29. Return is possible, it says, up to 2:24, but trains from 9:02 onward are listed as "other trains you can travel on". This is not offered if I ask for these times explicitly, but that list must count as equivalent to asking a booking clerk "what other trains can I come back on".

There are further inconsistencies, especially after using the earlier/later trains buttons, but I suspect I may have broken JP by playing with it too much and a fresh enquiry might give a different result. Which is not really good enough either, of course.

I thought the DSM's advice to passengers was broadly right, about those two main trains at 2:24 and 3:54. (It did say 3:40 in the commentary, but 3:30 was only an example in a post.) What was missing from what we heard him say, though that may be due mainly to the editing, was some of the detail, plus any consideration of how passengers are supposed to know about the time boundaries. By detail, I mean:
  • The "end of day" time affects mainly day returns, not "return tickets" as stated or off-peak tickets per se.
  • A day return should still work on the 3:54 for return to stations as far as Hayes and Harlington.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: eightf48544 on September 23, 2013, 10:03:42
Why do we get in such a muddle with conditions for tickets? It seems the railways are terrified of pasengers taking advantage of a cheaper fare than the railway thinks they should pay by being too generous with the validity of their ticket. Hence they tie themselves in knots trying to catch the few pasengers that mught try and take advantage of a too generous time slot for their journey.


DB day tickets are valid until 03:00 the following day. Stated clearly in the literature often in English no if and buts.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on September 23, 2013, 16:05:51
Maybe a day return should be valid for a whole day, ie within 24 hours, not part of a day :)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 23, 2013, 16:24:45
Maybe a day return should be valid for a whole day, ie within 24 hours, not part of a day :)

Your logic is impeccable. But it is logic, and as such has no place in a discussion on train ticket pricing and policy.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: welsh1980 on September 23, 2013, 16:52:24
On the subject of day returns I think they should be valid until 6am the following morning. At the end of the day the passengers do have a ticket its not as if they are asking to travel back without a return ticket.

The series is really good but it does seem focused on the HST out of paddington rather than some of the FGW local services.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 23, 2013, 20:41:37
Can anyone explain to me why a return journey that can be completed within a day (if that's not a tautology) should be significantly cheaper than a return journey that cannot be completed within a day (if that's not an oxymoron)? Or am I falling into the same trap of trying to apply logic where logic is not appropriate?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ellendune on September 23, 2013, 20:53:12
Can anyone explain to me why a return journey that can be completed within a day (if that's not a tautology) should be significantly cheaper than a return journey that cannot be completed within a day (if that's not an oxymoron)? Or am I falling into the same trap of trying to apply logic where logic is not appropriate?

A question I asked in July 2011. http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9296.msg95576#msg95576 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9296.msg95576#msg95576)

There is a quite a long thread.  Not really sure I ever got a satisfactory answer though!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 23, 2013, 22:56:44
Can anyone explain to me why a return journey that can be completed within a day (if that's not a tautology) should be significantly cheaper than a return journey that cannot be completed within a day (if that's not an oxymoron)? Or am I falling into the same trap of trying to apply logic where logic is not appropriate?

A question I asked in July 2011. http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9296.msg95576#msg95576 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9296.msg95576#msg95576)

There is a quite a long thread.  Not really sure I ever got a satisfactory answer though!

Ah, thanks for that!  Phrases involving 'worms' and 'can' spring to mind (as they so often do, when ticketing is involved)... I suppose the most plausible answer is 'fraud', but 'plausible' is not the same things as 'satisfactory'.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 23, 2013, 23:41:41
If you look outside Britain, or outside railways, day returns (or even day singles) are not that common. Ferry companies use them, but that's pretty obvious - it fills empty boats and doesn't damage their other business which is inherently for longer periods. And, of course, they are selective about which crossing to offer them on. None of which applies to the railways - did it ever do so?

You don't need to go far to find railways that don't use them - and hardly use off-peak, or even returns as cheaper than two singles. And they may offer all tickets in advance with (almost) unlimited validity, which is the real fraud issue here. So none of these is inherent to railways.

Our rail ticketing system does seem to be remarkably conservative (i.e. resistant to change), which may be the origin of some of its mind-tetanising complexity. I'm not sure if it's the industry or the public that is so insistent on sticking with these "old British practices".


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ellendune on September 24, 2013, 07:59:39
The other point made in that thread is that for some flows they are the regulated walk on fares. So it is not just down to train operating companies.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on September 24, 2013, 10:20:55
In any wholesale reform even if the revenue overall change was neutral there would be winners and losers - the former would remain quiet, the latter would shout loudly. Most of my rail travel these days is fairly short distance one day trips so I might well fall into the latter category :)

The price regulation of some fares and not others has created a whole new set of distortions and anomalies, adding to those inherited from British Rail, and several generations of marketing initiatives (week end returns, mid week returns, savers, super savers, apex, advance, group save, railcards - the list goes on for ever).



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on September 24, 2013, 10:26:26
The other point made in that thread is that for some flows they are the regulated walk on fares. So it is not just down to train operating companies.
I interpreted the question posed in this thread to be about railway ticket pricing per se, so the effect of government pricing regulations is excluded. The point that demonstrates is that we seem to be unable to think of any justification for day tickets on pricing grounds alone.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 29, 2013, 18:08:18
From the Express (http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/432218/Pick-of-the-day-The-Railway-First-Great-Western):

Quote
Pick of the day: The Railway - First Great Western

(http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/ody-432218.jpg)
Jody starts another day on the Paddington-Swansea line [CHANNEL 5]

This week sleepy Newbury racecourse station springs to life for two major racing events, with a team dispatched to the usually unmanned halt to keep things running smoothly.

Meanwhile train manager Jody (above) braces herself to expect the unexpected as she starts another day on the Paddington-Swansea line, and the emergency services spring into action at the Penzance depot.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on October 11, 2013, 07:05:21
After all the debate over how many episodes there would be, Channel 5 tweeted last night that this week's episode was the penultimate one.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 11, 2013, 10:21:23
Quite enjoyed last night's edition, thought it was quite funny that they reckon "Thames Turbo's" have been around since the '60's!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Pb_devon on October 11, 2013, 12:27:24
Another date inaccuracy was the Gunnislake line, said to be 'one of the oldest'.   For the record, Plymouth to Bere Alston 1890; Bere Alston to Calstock 1908;  and Calstock to Gunnislake was originally the ECMR opened in 1872.  All of which are quite late in that railway construction era. 
However, the programme continues to be entertaining.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: SDS on October 11, 2013, 17:50:08
Looking forward to next week's episode to see the resolution of the, 'kicked up the ass', incident at Newbury.  ;D

An obvious assault caught on camera, but I did chuckle.

Just shows how managers can get away with assaulting passengers in self defence and normal employees get sacked or suspended for the same thing. Andrew Dickenson (Performance Manager Swindon) seemed to have got a promotion after this incident. I know of someone who was headbutted at PAD by a pax, who then put that pax to the floor who was suspended. That employee continues to work for FGW only after BTP said the employee was fully in the right.

I have named the manager because he was named on the programme.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on October 11, 2013, 17:58:34
Naming the guy is fine, but I suspect his promotion after the incident was coincidental and not causal.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on October 19, 2013, 09:20:03
Naming the guy is fine, but I suspect his promotion after the incident was coincidental and not causal.

Nor casual.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: GBM on October 23, 2013, 12:58:02
Just had a reply from Channel 5 as thus
Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding The Railway: First Great Western.
 
We were pleased to read that you enjoyed this programme. It is too early to say if a second series will be commissioned but we have noted your appreciation and interest in a second series in our Viewer Enquiries Report. This is circulated throughout the company and seen by all relevant personnel.
 
Thank you for your interest in Channel 5.
 
Yours sincerely
 
Terry
VIEWER ADVISOR

Here's hoping for another series (on FGW, please).
Yes, a few inaccurate parts, but overall I loved it.

P.S, did I spy superguard in it?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: devon_metro on October 23, 2013, 13:56:40


P.S, did I spy superguard in it?

There was at least one member of the forum featured on the programme. (they haven't posted for a while though..)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: GBM on October 24, 2013, 10:21:12
Apologies to other forum members, but only "know" sg.  Perhaps an insult to others, but none intended!  Working in my little part of the world, I don't get out much (odd thing for a bus driver to say)........... :'(


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2013, 11:40:02

 Have to creep out of my sarcastic shell to say how much I enjoyed
 the series. 
 Particularly impressed with the station at Charlbury.
 
 Comparison to my local station at Totnes, which is falling to bits.
 'Back into sarcastic shell' - Perhaps it would help if my local MP
  was the Prime Minister.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ellendune on October 24, 2013, 18:56:53
Perhaps we should establish a written constitution that ensures that the job is on rota so that each constituency gets a go. That way all railway stations would be refurbished !


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Super Guard on October 24, 2013, 23:39:30
Apologies to other forum members, but only "know" sg.  Perhaps an insult to others, but none intended!  Working in my little part of the world, I don't get out much (odd thing for a bus driver to say)........... :'(

I had a brief moment of fame yes... autographs anyone? ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Busboy W1 on October 25, 2013, 17:25:37
After Charlbury's fame on C5 the lights no longer work around the B.O area. So I'm not to sure wether being in the Prime Ministers constituency has all the perks one would think.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TonyK on November 04, 2013, 22:55:54

 Comparison to my local station at Totnes, which is falling to bits.
 'Back into sarcastic shell' - Perhaps it would help if my local MP
  was the Prime Minister.

If he really had power over railways, the Oxford, Witney, and Fairford line would be rebuilt, along with Witney station, now an industrial estate. Few Prime Ministers are in office long enough to build a railway, though.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on November 04, 2013, 22:59:08
Was told today that a second series is being considered.  If it happens it would be interesting to see what new ground they could cover.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on November 04, 2013, 23:09:24
TransWilts?  ;D

Severn Beach Line, Reading to Gatwick, Cotswolds Line, Cardiff to Portsmouth...


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: lordgoata on November 05, 2013, 09:45:41
Was told today that a second series is being considered.  If it happens it would be interesting to see what new ground they could cover.

I'd like to see more of the track work they do overnight etc, I quite like the logistics side of it, I was amazed how quick they moved tracks during the Reading work for example, but apart from a few tidbits on here and on the show, I had no clue how they did it all!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: anthony215 on November 05, 2013, 11:05:46
With all the changes happening to the Great Western network over the next 5 years or so there should be more than enough things for the film crews to film.



Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: IanL on November 05, 2013, 13:18:40
After Charlbury's fame on C5 the lights no longer work around the B.O area. So I'm not to sure wether being in the Prime Ministers constituency has all the perks one would think.

Possibly more to do with the fact that Charlbury was Sir Peter Parker's local station long before the current PM became the Witney MP.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 04, 2013, 22:43:34
From Marketing Week (http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/trends/think-inside-the-box/4008676.article):

Quote
Allowing a film crew behind-the-scenes access to the inner workings of a brand sounds like it has all the hallmarks of a PR nightmare, but these ^warts and all^ documentaries are on the rise ^ with positive results despite the potential risk to reputation.   

Another bonus is the fact that the shows offer a view of the brand from a third party, so any positive reflections on the company will be a result of what the film crews find rather than messages pushed by the brand itself, as First Great Western found from its recent series. 

Dan Panes, head of communications at First Great Western, says: ^It^s a film crew that has uncovered and delved, and is presenting stories in an independent way. As much as you want to get in there and stage-manage you have got to rely on the relationship you build up with your staff and the production company. Above and beyond everything is that third-party endorsement, and that resonates much more with our potential customers.^ 

Trust appears to be a major factor in why brands are agreeing to TV company involvement. Channel 5, which is running the sixth Eddie Stobart series and also commissioned the First Great Western documentary, believes the relationship between brand and production company is born out of honest communication.

It is not just faith in the production team that a brand needs. For First Great Western, weighing up the reasons for and against taking part also came down to whether the company trusts its staff, who serve 90 million customers every year.

Panes says: ^It was a leap of faith ^ we trusted them to shine.^

That is not to say that everything can be planned. The First Great Western series recently concluded, earlier than the brand had envisaged, meaning that investments in the business intended to coincide with the last episode did not get the mention that was hoped for. 

This is an inevitable aspect of taking part in a TV programme. Because editorial control and scheduling decisions lie with the TV channel, it cannot necessarily be aligned to any marketing or brand activity the company has in the pipeline.

First Great Western takes the same stance on the negative aspects that the film crews might find, which Panes believes adds to the authenticity of the series. The train operator found that those episodes which were a ^little less fluffy^ and contained aspects that the brand was initially nervous about ^ for example, delays and overcrowding ^ resonated more with the viewers and perceptions of the brand were better because those negatives were exposed.

Panes says: ^By making sure there was a broad spread of narratives we were able to give the production team the opportunity to go in and experience disruption. It was interesting to see that had a direct positive impact on people^s perception of us rather than a negative one, as you might instinctively think.^ 

First Great Western built in a measurement system when Channel 5 filmed The Railway, with a viewer panel of 42 people who watched each episode for qualitative feedback. The brand also looked at forums and discussions online and asked questions regarding perception. As a result, 57 per cent of viewers said their view of First Great Western improved following the series.

^We were under no illusion that it was going to be an hour-long ad for us but we had to make sure we were clear about what we wanted to achieve, how we were measuring it and we needed processes in place to make sure we were doing that,^ says Dan Panes, head of communications at First Great Western.

(My quoting of selected, First Great Western related, pieces of text from that longer article. CfN )


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Jason on March 19, 2014, 11:20:41
There was a crew filming on a BAS -> RDG service this morning.
Channel 5 again assuming I heard correctly over the shonky class 150 PA.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Southern Stag on March 19, 2014, 13:38:00
I saw a film crew at Reading recently too, and there were the same signs displayed advertising the filming as they were previously for the Channel 5 series.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Cynthia on March 19, 2014, 14:11:23
I would like to have seen the first series of, what I assume is a 'Docusoap'.  Don't watch T.V. much these days so will have to watch out in the T.V. Guides for Channel 5s Railway saga.   


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: centralman on March 19, 2014, 18:50:39
@Cynthia and anyone who hasnt seen it, it is still on Channel 5 on demand!

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western

Enjoy!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Cynthia on March 19, 2014, 22:34:53
@Cynthia and anyone who hasnt seen it, it is still on Channel 5 on demand!

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western

Enjoy!


Oh thanks, centralman!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on March 28, 2014, 14:10:13
I'm reliably informed that the film crew for series 2 are currently on today's Up Pullman, the 1301 from Exeter St Davids. Forum admin bobm is dining and has sent me this picture:

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/ch5pullman_zps2f6d5ba6.jpg)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on March 28, 2014, 14:17:02
I hope they get a discount for having the ambience somewhat flattened! :-)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2014, 16:22:50
To be fair the film crew were very keen to ensure they didn't get in the way of the meal being served and asked for permission each time they filmed something - even if it was just a glass of wine for an "atmosphere" shot.

It wasn't a routine journey for a number of reasons but you'll be able to see that when the programme is shown.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on March 28, 2014, 16:24:19
No spoilers then eh?!  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2014, 21:05:01
Why spoil a good story.   ;D ;D

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/pull28032.jpg)

Even the film crew were hungry by the end of it....


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on November 15, 2014, 10:10:57
New series coming up ....

DOCUMENTARY: The Railway: First Great Western
Channel: Channel 5
Date: Thursday 4th December 2014
Time: 20:00 to 21:00
Duration: 1 hour.

Documentary series following the working lives of the staff of First Great Western, one of Britain's largest train operating companies. In this episode, the Great Western railway is in crisis as the worst weather for a century batters the country, pushing workers and passengers to the limit. Steve Hawkins and his team of engineers have time and tide against them as they get to work repairing one of the most beautiful stretches of track in the country after the mainline at Dawlish gets washed away, and Dave Slater and his team at Network Control have to battle the elements to keep trains running as storm after storm floods the network. A tube strike creates a headache for Ealing Broadway manager, Dean Haynes, as the extra pressure placed on overground trains into the city looks set to bring the morning commute to a standstill.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: insider on November 28, 2014, 16:15:29
REMINDER Series 2 Starts Next Week!!!!!

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on December 05, 2014, 04:54:14
The first episode of series 2 of 'The Railway: First Great Western' aired last night. Episode titled 'Railway In Crisis', so no prizes for guessing what it's about.

Available online on demand:  http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western/episodes/episode-1-638

For those who wish to watch on their telly, or record, there is a repeat broadcast today on Channel 5+24 at 8pm:

Sky 175
Virgin 152
Freeview 55
Freesat 132

I'll not review the episode so as to avoid spoilers, but 'meltdown' isn't too strong a word!


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Timmer on December 05, 2014, 06:02:17
brilliant, well worth watching.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 05, 2014, 06:04:13
The first episode of series 2 of 'The Railway: First Great Western' aired last night. Episode titled 'Railway In Crisis', so no prizes for guessing what it's about.

Available online on demand:  http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western/episodes/episode-1-638

For those who wish to watch on their telly, or record, there is a repeat broadcast today on Channel 5+24 at 8pm:

Sky 175
Virgin 152
Freeview 55
Freesat 132

I'll not review the episode so as to avoid spoilers, but 'meltdown' isn't too strong a word!

I've recorded it to watch tonight as currently any suggestion of watching anything other than "Masterchef" (whilst maintaining a Trappist like silence) brings death threats from Mrs Taplowgreen! .........does the title of the episode refer to Dawlish specifically or FGW generally?  ;)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: GBM on December 05, 2014, 06:39:11
Superb episode, well done that production team.  Let's hope the rest in this series is of such high a quality.
Regret MasterChef has had to be removed from the record list - to Mrs GBM horror, can only record two at a time, BUT she has been assured MC can be viewed on the TV via iplayer.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 05, 2014, 07:09:43
I'd forgotten about the new series but because Mrs BB was recording Masterchef and watching some jungle program I was digging around free view on another TV and found the c5 program.

Ok I can cope wth the logic of recording masterchef but as for recording "I'm a celebrity.." What a waste of electrons !


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 05, 2014, 08:47:36
Superb episode, well done that production team.  Let's hope the rest in this series is of such high a quality.
Regret MasterChef has had to be removed from the record list - to Mrs GBM horror, can only record two at a time, BUT she has been assured MC can be viewed on the TV via iplayer.

...........sound advice, if I'm feeling brave I will try that line on Mrs TG next week!!!  :D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on December 05, 2014, 09:39:30
Here's the synopsis from FGW, episode by episode

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Episode One (TX date 4 December, 20:00, Channel 5)
The second series of Channel 5^s observational documentary series The Railway - First Great Western kicks off in dramatic style.

We see the impact of the conveyor belt of Atlantic storms which battered the South West at the start of the year when it knocked-out the rail artery into Cornwall, as savage currents and tumultuous waves dragged away seawall and ballast materials.

But there were huge challenges looming elsewhere on the network too. Flooding in the Maidenhead area took-out signalling, and water levels on the Somerset Levels rose dangerously high and turned the area into a vast lake, making it impossible to run train services.

In the Swindon Control, cameras were there to capture the joint Network Rail / FGW team during the worst impact of weather on services in the history of the Great Western Route.

In these times the FGW Control team led by Operations Manager Dave Slater, is seen operating under tremendous pressure, and colleagues on London Paddington station are also seen trying to help customers against a backdrop of worsening services. Most customers seem to understand though that these are truly difficult times.

MD Mark Hopwood makes an appearance to meet Theresa May at Maidenhead.

Understandably, much of the programme is devoted to Network Rail and their efforts to maintain and restore service against a very difficult background. Look out for the NR engineers^ genuine amazement that water levels are so high on the Somerset Levels.

Also in Episode 1 we see the impact of the tube strike on Ealing Broadway and the measures we need to take to cope with a massive surge in customers who usually hop on a tube. Station Manager Dean Haynes has obvious concerns about the health and safety risks associated with having so many people on the station.

And do look out for DSM Gary Brownlie^s object lesson in keeping disgruntled customers upbeat in challenging times by calling on his personal resource of great cheer.


Positives
^   Viewers are left in no doubt about who manages the infrastructure, which is a strong message.
^   FGW colleagues (and NR^s too) conduct themselves with integrity. They give a strong impression of caring about the job and the service to customers
^   FGW and NR are seen as working hand-in-glove to get passengers to where they need to be

Negatives
^   The network is fragile, particularly where it is exposed to flooding, the sea and Atlantic storms
^   Cornwall is said to have lost some ^20 million a day while the railway was out at Dawlish
^   There is no contingency route into Cornwall apart from Brunel^s old coastal route


Episode Two (TX Date 11 December, 20:00, Channel 5)
The welcome return of familiar FGW faces from the first series of The Railway - First Great Western are to be seen in the second episode of the second series, which offers a diverse view of the Western Network early in a most unusual year.
The programme follows Six Nations rugby fans aboard FGW services with Train Manager Jodie Edwards appearing in control and cheerful as ever.
And Simon Jeffries, previously followed on Paddington Station as DSM, is seen diving into a new similar role on Reading station where the impact of massive signal failure at Maidenhead caused by flooding is being felt by disgruntled customers.
Also on the programme we see FGW's operation on Cardiff Central station where over 40 thousand fans converge for the Six Nations Wales/Scotland match. The effectiveness of the queuing system in front of the station, which allows customers to depart on a first -come-first-serve basis, is apparent. With so many people and so much alcohol consumed, the need to keep people safe is vitally important. Dave Bailey is FGW's well-established man on the station and it is refreshing to see how calm he remains throughout these hectic scenes.
Back with the weather theme, we see the difficulties caused by the rift in rail in at Dawlish with HSTs in need of service being stranded on the wrong side. So they put power cars and carriages onto low-loaders to haul them by road to the FGW depot at Old Oak Common.
Elsewhere in the programme driver Tom X talks us through his amazement at the amount of water to be seen on the Somerset Levels; we look at a night servicing shift at Taunton; and follow new DSM for Paddington station, Joseph Holmes, as he faces his first challenges to keeping his customers on the move.
Finally Network Rail provides a rare glimpse inside Whiteball Tunnel during essential maintenance to stem the ingress of water which threatens to bring down the roof. Mounted on a train, impressive new concrete spraying equipment creates a new lining for the tunnel.
Positives
^   FGW and partners ATW use tried and tested techniques to keep huge crowds flocking from the Millennium stadium in Cardiff moving in a fair and safe way.
^   FGW is prepared to make every possible effort to keep customers safe despite challenges like the Dawlish track being washed away
^   Regular, planned maintenance often involving innovative techniques keeps the railway safe and extends the life of the old infrastructure
Negatives
^   There is no alternative route into Cornwall
^   In times of disruption to the infrastructure it is a challenge to keep customers happy

Episode Three (TX Date 18 Dec, 20:00, Channel 5)

Episode three offers another mixed bag of stories which together help build a picture of life on the modern railway.

And at Cheltenham, station manager Richard Morrish operates a safe and fair system of queuing for customers wishing to catch buses to the race track and again, much later for those wanting to get home by train.

As evening progresses, many of those turning up at the station display increasing signs of alcohol consumption, so the BTP are a welcome presence. 

We get the sense of very long days for Richard and the station team, and of their relief when the last trains have finally departed and  shutters are rolled down for another day.

Also in Episode three we get an update on how work is progressing at Dawlish, where in addition to rebuilding the station, track and seawalls, a land-slip caused by excessively wet conditions threats to dump 355,000 tons of rubble and soil onto the track.

Still in Dawlish, ballast loss was a major issue in the severe storms, so NR have developed a technique to stop this happening to the replacement ballast by literally glueing it in place.

Elsewhere, Train Manager Jay Choudray is seen "living the dream" as he puts it, by dispensing good cheer on the line between Reading West and Gatwick in an interesting branch-line segment.

And the customer relations team offers insight into the world of Twitter, which is a growing element of the team's work. They also give some examples of the many customer concerns they will get in a typical day.

Positives
^   FGW and partners NR and the BTP place  high emphasis on rail safety
^   FGW highly focused on customer service in testing circumstances
^   FGW provides additional services for major events

Negatives
^   Our customer relations team may be seen as being slightly flippant about custom concerns
^   The Dawlish coastal stretch of track is vulnerable to the ravages of the elements, and there is no alternative route
^   Despite providing extra services for Cheltenham Festival, some customers still don't think there are enough

Episode Four (TX date TBC)
The fourth and final part of Channel 5's The Railway - First Great Western offers another interesting and varied collection of stories from across the Western route.
We see how work is progressing rapidly at Dawlish where the reopening of the line after is eagerly anticipated after two months out of action. Network Rail, the station team and the volunteer Friends of Dawlish station are all making making final preparations to receive the first passenger services.
Paddington's Lost Property service is also explored in some depth in the programme, and we see the efforts made to reunite customers with precious items left on trains.
In Weston-super-Mare services are still heavily affected by the closure of the line through the Somerset Levels due to flooding and that means bus replacement services. As fate would have it, cameras are on hand the first time there is insufficient capacity on the last coach home for people who have come to Weston for a night out. So the team have to organise taxi services to get somewhat disgruntled customers to their destinations.
The Pullman service gets a deserved spotlight in the programme as the team set off from London Paddington on another trip heading for the West Country. To add to spice to their busy schedule, an international food critic is looking forward to sampling the menu. No pressure for the team then!
In Plymouth it is engine change time for an HST power car at Laira depot, which should delight the audience, as engineering sequences have proved popular so far.
And finally, we return to Dawlish where Premier David Cameron is on hand to mark the huge sense of occasion afforded by the reopening of the coastal route, much to the relief of everyone involved.
Positives
^   There is a huge sense of pride in working on the railway
^   FGW and its partner Network Rail invest a great deal of effort in keeping the railway running to time for customers
^   FGW still operates a Pullman service
Negatives
^   Bus replacement services, which are operated by outside contractors can sometimes cause problems for customers if they don't run exactly to time
^   The coastal route between Exeter and Newton Abbot is vulnerable to the ravages of the elements


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on December 05, 2014, 09:44:54
Very good first episode.

They obviously had very good access at Dawlish, which enabled us to get a really hands-on view of NR trying to assess the situation, as it was happening.

Good coverage of the flood chaos in the Thames Valley aswell, with inputs from Theresa May (Maidenhead MP) and FGW MD Mark Hopwood.

Good coverage of the developing chaos in the Control Room at Swindon also.

All in all, it came across as factual and not too sensationalist which gets my vote.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: didcotdean on December 05, 2014, 11:22:04
Here's the synopsis from FGW, episode by episode

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Episode Three (TX Date 18 Dec, 20:00, Channel 5)

... And the customer relations team offers insight into the world of Twitter, which is a growing element of the team's work. They also give some examples of the many customer concerns they will get in a typical day.
...
Negatives
^   Our customer relations team may be seen as being slightly flippant about custom concerns
Surely not :)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: tomL on December 05, 2014, 11:45:46
Didn't realize I walk past this everyday on the way to work. Quite strange knowing that behind a row of office windows is entire control of the FGW network.  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: NickB on December 05, 2014, 12:12:26
Here's the synopsis from FGW, episode by episode

Quote
...
Episode Three (TX Date 18 Dec, 20:00, Channel 5)

... And the customer relations team offers insight into the world of Twitter, which is a growing element of the team's work. They also give some examples of the many customer concerns they will get in a typical day.
...
Negatives
^   Our customer relations team may be seen as being slightly flippant about custom concerns
Surely not :)


Shows what an accurate documentary it is   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on December 13, 2014, 16:29:11
Was that former French rugby player Thomas Castaignede I saw near the beginning of episode 2?

In First Class with a mix of Welsh and French rugby fans on the train to Cardiff with Jodie as TM.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Rhydgaled on December 13, 2014, 17:00:11
When the were showing the class 43s and mrk4s being moved by road, they seemed to suggesting only Plymouth depot could handle the regular maintenance and the entire fleet had to be cycled through that depot.

I can understand them moving a few sets by road if the optimal timetable given the circumstances required a different number of sets on either side of the breach to where they had happened to end up, but surely Old Oak, Bristol and Landore could handle maintainance of the sets unable to reach Plymouth?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on December 13, 2014, 17:39:02
Certain heavy maintenance tasks can only be carried out at certain depots. There's also the question of space.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: JayMac on December 19, 2014, 00:00:16
It would seem that Cheltenham Spa is the station to be at for FGW's comedy department. Nearly every staff member featured on tonight's episode (series 2 episode 3), covering the Cheltenham Festival, did their best to mug comically for the camera.

Led ablely by Station Manager Richard Morrish. Nice guy, even if his sense of humour isn't to everyone's taste. I've had a few interactions with him in recent years when he was a DSM at Bristol TM. Always engaging, always listening. Good to see he's got his own patch to manage these days.

Just needs to sort out the engrained antipathy from the staff to anyone with a camera (who isn't part of a film crew  ::)) at CNM.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Rhydgaled on December 19, 2014, 10:26:28
The conductor on the Reading-Gatwick service was making alot of joke anouncments. Do they act like that all the time or just creating material for the TV programme? Interesting they refered to him as a 'train conductor', when on the PAD services last week they had 'train managers'. Is that a distinction FirstGW makes or just the TV being inconsistent? Also, they had him boarding a 150/0 then the 'return trip' was a Networker Turbo. Is there something with the staff rosters or with the editing of the programme?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 19, 2014, 10:29:20
The conductor on the Reading-Gatwick service was making alot of joke anouncments. Do they act like that all the time or just creating material for the TV programme? Interesting they refered to him as a 'train conductor', when on the PAD services last week they had 'train managers'. Is that a distinction FirstGW makes or just the TV being inconsistent? Also, they had him boarding a 150/0 then the 'return trip' was a Networker Turbo. Is there something with the staff rosters or with the editing of the programme?

I haven't watched this episode but will find it on catchup. I used to travel on that line regularly so it will be interesting to see if I remember any of the FGW staff


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 19, 2014, 10:35:34
Interesting they refered to him as a 'train conductor', when on the PAD services last week they had 'train managers'. Is that a distinction FirstGW makes or just the TV being inconsistent?

We have Train Managers, Conductors and Senior Conductors.  But a fair chunk of them like to be known simply as 'The Guard.'  ;)


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: stuving on December 19, 2014, 10:40:11
The conductor on the Reading-Gatwick service was making alot of joke anouncments. Do they act like that all the time or just creating material for the TV programme? Interesting they refered to him as a 'train conductor', when on the PAD services last week they had 'train managers'. Is that a distinction FirstGW makes or just the TV being inconsistent? Also, they had him boarding a 150/0 then the 'return trip' was a Networker Turbo. Is there something with the staff rosters or with the editing of the programme?

He's always like that. And as I've heard most of those jokes I guess he reuses them many time over.

As to that 150 - I've never seen one on this service, so it would have to be a very rare swap. It was the first of the day and maybe that makes a difference, though I can't imagine why (I've never used it). Alternatively, that footage might have been from him on another run - but I think it looked right for RDG-GTW (or more likely RDH or even Shalford).


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: lordgoata on December 19, 2014, 12:11:04
I thought he was a breath of fresh air, someone that actually seemed to really enjoy what he was doing. There have been a few drivers like that this year on the trains I have used, being really upbeat over the PA, but most just sound like all they wanna do is get off - which I guess is understandable, its bad enough being stuck on a train when its delayed as a passenger, but I guess the drivers and guards must be as sick to death of it day in day out, outward and return journeys, as we are. Never really thought about that before now - you have my sympathies!  ;D


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: eightf48544 on December 19, 2014, 14:56:08
One of the best quips I've heard from a driver was on a Turbo crawling Up the Mainline from Langley.


Sorry about this the signalmen are playing snooker, Yellow after Red.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: Fourbee on December 19, 2014, 15:35:40
As to that 150 - I've never seen one on this service, so it would have to be a very rare swap. It was the first of the day and maybe that makes a difference, though I can't imagine why (I've never used it). Alternatively, that footage might have been from him on another run - but I think it looked right for RDG-GTW (or more likely RDH or even Shalford).

Maybe that footage was taken on the Reading->Basingstoke branch which has 150(s) working it?


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 19, 2014, 15:42:36
As to that 150 - I've never seen one on this service, so it would have to be a very rare swap. It was the first of the day and maybe that makes a difference, though I can't imagine why (I've never used it). Alternatively, that footage might have been from him on another run - but I think it looked right for RDG-GTW (or more likely RDH or even Shalford).

Maybe that footage was taken on the Reading->Basingstoke branch which has 150(s) working it?

That's a good point about the 150s - I has been a while since I travelled on that line but only remember the service utilising 165/166 units. I thought (as you implied) the 150s were primarily used on the Reading/Basingstoke route.


Title: Re: Channel 5 documentary, 'The Railway: First Great Western'
Post by: ChrisB on December 19, 2014, 15:52:33
And Guards swap between the two during their shift...



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