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Title: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 19, 2012, 20:55:08
just seen on local travel:

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Replacement bus service running on First Great Western between Newquay and Par due to incident at a level crossing. A train has hit a car at a level crossing. Trains are unable to run while the emergency services deal with the incident. This will continue until the end of service


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 19, 2012, 22:10:04
From FGW JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Par and Newquay. Following an earlier problem at a level crossing between Par and Newquay all lines will be reopened shortly.

Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 22:15 19/01.

Customer Advice:
Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Par and Newquay in both directions until further notice.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 19, 2012, 22:12:46
Disruption expected until 2215? is that the end of service for the day, as i didnt even know they ran that late to newquay!


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: marky7890 on January 19, 2012, 22:29:42
Just saw this on BBC Spotlight, hasn't there been past accidents at this crossing?

The last Newquay Branch train of the day gets into Par at 22:16.



Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 19, 2012, 22:56:51
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-16640983):

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Cornwall woman 'lucky' to escape car and train crash

A woman escaped uninjured after her car and a train collided at a level crossing near Newquay in Cornwall.

Police who were called to the crossing at Trencreek Road, Trencreek at 19:40 GMT said no-one was believed to have been injured.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57994000/jpg/_57994419_trainforonline.jpg)

The railway line is a local branch line and the collision involved a single carriage First Great Western train.

Driver Sarah Frampton of St Newlyn East said she had not seen the warning and was "lucky to be alive".

She said: "I've been rushed off my feet all day and was not aware that there was a warning at the crossing.

"I don't often come down that road.

"I was travelling fairly slowly and out of the blue saw the train.

"I slammed on the brakes, but it was coming too fast and hit me.

"It was quite overwhelming how close I was.

"I am very thankful to be alive."

British Transport Police are investigating at the scene, where a tractor and train collided in 2003.

A police spokesman said: "There appears to be no persons injured and the scene has been secured awaiting the arrival of British Transport Police officers who will have primacy over the investigation."


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 19, 2012, 23:06:52
A big relief that the consequences were not more serious. Two observations...

1. Ms Frampton may have been wiser to keep her own counsel pending any investigation rather than talking to a newpaper.
2. The RAIB might have something to say about the quotation from plod in the last sentence of that article.

 :-X


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: JayMac on January 19, 2012, 23:11:05
Those quotes from the car driver say rather a lot don't they? I agree she would have been better off keeping her own counsel.

If there was nothing wrong with the correct operation of the crossing then my only sympathy lies with the train driver.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 19, 2012, 23:13:45
A big relief that the consequences were not more serious. Two observations...

1. Ms Frampton may have been wiser to keep her own counsel pending any investigation rather than talking to a newpaper.
2. The RAIB might have something to say about the quotation from plod in the last sentence of that article.

What's the problem with the police quote?


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 19, 2012, 23:34:12
Looks like she had incriminated herself for driving without due care and attention, unless the warning lights werent working. Knowing the location, there is limited visibility from the road to see if any trains are coming due to high hedgerows from memory.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Ollie on January 19, 2012, 23:38:56
This is from Google Maps - so Network Rail will have to figure out if lights were working.  ::)


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 19, 2012, 23:40:52
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Trencreek+Road,+Newquay&hl=en&ll=50.406723,-5.055782&spn=0.000007,0.005262&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.25,43.110352&oq=Trencreek+Road+new&vpsrc=6&hnear=Trencreek+Rd,+Newquay,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=50.406656,-5.055624&panoid=09MAXiq8qJuOfxqwfS7oiQ&cbp=12,325.78,,0,14.86



Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 19, 2012, 23:44:14
my thoughts are at 1940 its dark, so would make the flashing  red lights even easier to see. therefore the car driver best hope following her comments to the media that the lights had failed, or she has dug her hole deeper!


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 20, 2012, 01:17:02
What's the problem with the police quote?

Could have this wrong but I was under the distinct impression that RAIB would have primacy over the accident site, not plod. That said I've got slightly lost in the mire of RAIB/ORR/BTP and who takes priority over whom in given circumstances. Better do a bit of revision because I'm supposed to know this stuff...  :-[


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Bob_Blakey on January 20, 2012, 06:23:28

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'I slammed on the brakes, but it was coming too fast and hit me'

Presumably she was expecting the train to swerve out of the way.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: molinnis on January 20, 2012, 09:19:49
I may be wong but I thought the mentioned 2003 incident between a tractor and a HST was at Coswarth level crossing not Trencreek.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 20, 2012, 18:00:39
I may be wong but I thought the mentioned 2003 incident between a tractor and a HST was at Coswarth level crossing not Trencreek.

Correct. It was Cosworth. 01 September.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 20, 2012, 18:47:51
From the updated BBC news item (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-16640983) (which now includes an on-the-scene interview with the car driver):

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A spokesman said: "The driver of the car will be spoken to by BTP officers to establish whether any offences have occurred under the Road Traffic Act."

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British Transport Police are investigating at the scene, where a tractor and train collided in 2003.

Erm, no: as the BBC report on the earlier incident (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/3126688.stm) states:

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A train has been derailed in Cornwall after colliding with a tractor on a level crossing.

The accident happened at 1608 BST on Saturday on the Newquay to Par branch line at Chapel, close to the Trencreek Crossing, near Newquay.

... and, in another BBC report on that earlier incident (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/3125714.stm):

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An investigation is under way after a tractor was crushed by a train in Cornwall.

The accident happened on Saturday afternoon on the Newquay to Par branch line.

The train was derailed on a cattle crossing near Quintrell Downs and took several hours to clear.

Inspector Kevin Marshall from British Transport Police says the tractor driver was "very lucky" to escape with shock and head injuries.
   
The accident happened at 1608 BST on the Newquay to Par branch line at Chapel, close to the Trencreek Crossing, near Newquay.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 20, 2012, 19:10:42
What's the problem with the police quote?

Could have this wrong but I was under the distinct impression that RAIB would have primacy over the accident site, not plod. That said I've got slightly lost in the mire of RAIB/ORR/BTP and who takes priority over whom in given circumstances. Better do a bit of revision because I'm supposed to know this stuff...  :-[

I think that the normal course of events if for the civil police to arrive on scene, secure it as necessary wait for BTP to arrive, hand over the site to them, and then (assuming the RAIB is required - in this case it obviously would be) they would be let in to do their work - but would remain under the overall jurisdiction of the BTP.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 20, 2012, 19:40:15
Indeed. From the Rail Accident Investigation Branch website (http://www.raib.gov.uk/home/index.cfm):

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The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) is the independent railway accident investigation organisation for the UK. It investigates railway accidents and incidents on the UK's railways to improve safety, not to establish blame.

Our purpose for investigating an accident or incident is to improve the safety of the railways, and to prevent further accidents from occurring.

We achieve this by identifying the causes of accidents and other aspects that made the outcome worse.

Our investigations are entirely independent and are focused solely on safety improvement - we do not apportion blame or liability, nor do we enforce law or carry out prosecutions.

Carolyn Griffiths, Chief Inspector of Rail Accidents


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 20, 2012, 21:14:31
I'm rather reluctant to post this but, in the spirit of encouraging a full and open debate, I feel I should ::) :

From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089389/Miracle-escape-woman-driver-car-hit-train-level-crossing-missed-warning-signs.html):

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Oops, I didn't see the signs and flashing lights: Woman 'lucky to be alive' after driving into path of oncoming train
- Driver will be questioned by British Transport Police
- Says of horror crash: 'I'd been rushed off my feet all day and was not aware there was a warning'


A woman driver has said she is 'thankful to be alive' after she drove her car onto a level crossing.

Sarah Frampton, 28, failed to spot any of the flashing lights, claxons and warning signs as she drove towards the crossing in Trencreek, Cornwall.

She pulled onto the tracks and suddenly spotted a single carriage First Great Western train hurtling down the local branch line towards her.

The train ripped the front off her Peugeot 406 and span it around on its axis - but Miss Frampton managed to walk away without a scratch.

There were just two passengers on the 19.25 Newquay to Par service, who were uninjured as the train was not derailed.

Miss Frampton, from nearby St Newlyn East, Cornwall, said she desperately tried to brake her car when she saw the train but could not stop before the impact.

She said: 'I'd been rushed off my feet all day and was not aware that there was a warning at the crossing.

'I don't often come down that road. I was travelling fairly slowly and out of the blue saw the train.

'I slammed on the brakes, but it was coming too fast and hit me. It was quite overwhelming how close I was. I am very thankful to be alive.'

Police were immediately called after the incident, which happened at 7.40pm yesterday, and officers arrived at the scene in just six minutes.

The accident happened at the Trencreek Road level crossing on the Newquay to Par branch line, a 21-mile route which links the popular tourist town to the mainline through Cornwall.

A spokesman for Network Rail said the crossing did not have barriers but was controlled automatically.

He said: 'The crossing has no physical barriers but there are flashing lights, signs and an audible klaxon to warn drivers that a train is approaching.

'Tests are currently being carried out but there is no indication that there was any problem with the equipment. It seemed to be in full working order.'

A spokesman for the British Transport Police said Miss Framton will now face questioning by officers to ascertain whether any laws were broken.

He said: 'Officers are investigating the incident and enquiries are on-going today to establish the full circumstances which led up to the collision.

'No one suffered any injuries at the scene.

'The single-carriage train was travelling at low speed and remained upright on the tracks. Only two passengers were on board the train at the time of the collision.

'The driver of the car, a 28-year-old woman, will be spoken to by BTP officers to establish whether any offences have occurred under the Road Traffic Act.

'The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has been informed.'

Hmm.  ::)

Daily Mail journalist:
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... a single carriage First Great Western train hurtling down the local branch line ...

British Transport Police spokesman:
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The single-carriage train was travelling at low speed and remained upright on the tracks.

Just as a matter of interest: what is the line speed through this crossing?


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: vacman on January 20, 2012, 21:30:35
If it is Trencreek then I believe there are different speeds for units and for heavier trains think its 5/15 (the higher speed for units) but not sure of this.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: JayMac on January 20, 2012, 21:32:32
Just as a matter of interest: what is the line speed through this crossing?

Whatever the mph is, I suspect that it isn't described officially as 'hurtling'.  ::)


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: grahame on January 20, 2012, 21:55:13
Webster's dictionary describes hurlting as "to move rapidly or forcefully" .. so as far as that car was concerned, the train was hurltling ...


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 20, 2012, 22:01:34
Hmm. The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines 'hurtle' as, 'move or cause to move at great speed, typically in a wildly uncontrolled manner'.  ::)

Not a description to be applied to a Class 153 travelling at 15mph, surely?  :o


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: paul7575 on January 21, 2012, 11:09:50
10 mph one way, 20 mph the other according to a post elsewhere.  It is an AOCL, (Automatic Open Crossing Locally monitored -ie by the driver).

If the red flashing lights on the highway fail, the driver will not get his white lights and he stops - so that requires that the train approaches at a suitable speed that allows it to stop before the crossing - unlike at barriered crossings.

Paul


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 22, 2012, 22:43:43
More press coverage, from ThisIsCornwall (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Lucky-alive-train-hits-car-Newquay/story-14995129-detail/story.html) - with some rather caustic comments added :o :

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Lucky to be alive after train hits car in Newquay

A driver said she was lucky to be alive after her car overshot a level crossing and was hit by a passenger train.

Sarah Frampton's car collided with the First Great Western single-carriage train in Newquay, Cornwall, at 7.40pm yesterday. The car was spun around and badly damaged, but Ms Frampton walked away shaken but unhurt.

The 28-year-old, from the nearby village of St Newlyn East, told BBC Spotlight news she had not noticed the warnings at the crossing and by the time she saw the train, it was too late to stop.

 ::)


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 23, 2012, 21:28:17
Considering there is a minimum warning time of 27 seconds from the yellow steady light showing to the train arriving at the crossing I am absolutely gobsmacked (again) ::).  But then this is not the first time on this line and I'm sure it will not be the last >:(


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: old original on January 23, 2012, 21:53:42
By looking at the damage, and I state now that I am not an expert, despite the number of times I've pranged my own car,  it looks that if the car had been on the crossing when the train hit then would be far more sideways damage. The bonnet especially, seems to me that it has been hit from the front, it hasn't gone sideways at all and therefore, logically, suggest that the car has hit something front on, i.e. it has gone into something rather than been struck from the side.
What do others think?


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 24, 2012, 22:50:47
Hmm. ::)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57996000/jpg/_57996256_p1030225.jpg)
(image from the BBC)

I reckoned, from the damage shown there, that the cow-catcher on the Class 153 had simply done its job remarkably effectively - slicing across the front of the car, to minimize any damage to the train?


Title: Woman banned from driving for 56 days
Post by: EBrown on April 18, 2012, 19:21:11
I would have thought a mandatory retest would be necessary!

This is Cornwall (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Collided-rail-crossing/story-15848586-detail/story.html)

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A WOMAN whose car collided with a train on a level crossing near Newquay has been given a 56-day driving ban.

Facing Bodmin magistrates on April 11, interior designer Sarah Frampton, aged 28, of Station Road, St Newlyn East, admitted careless driving at Trencreek on January 19.

She was also fined ^275 with ^85 costs and a ^15 surcharge.

Jenny Kumeta, for the prosecution, said Frampton was at the wheel of a Peugeot 406.

She turned into Trencreek Road and approached the level crossing, which has no barrier and is controlled by warning lights and signs.

The lights were flashing but Frampton's car collided with a single-carriage train being driven from the direction of Newquay station by Rosemary Milne. There was minor damage to the train.

Ms Milne later said that the train had been halfway across the crossing when it was hit by the Peugeot. She braked and stopped the train.

Frampton got out of the car, apparently unhurt, and said she had seen the red lights but had not known what they meant.

She later told police it had been dark at the time and she had been driving slowly. She saw the train and slammed her brakes on. "It passed me but hit me as it went past," she said.

The British Transport Police instructed engineers to inspect the crossing controls and they found it was operating correctly at the time of the crash.

Frampton admitted the offence in an interview, saying it had been her fault and that she was sorry.

She told the court that she was a very careful driver and wished to apologise.

"This has been a shock to me," she said. "I'm intently more aware and focused.

"I've been driving for ten years and nothing like this has happened before and it will never happen again."

She explained that she travelled 12,000 miles a year and needed her car to visit clients, as well as to travel to Truro, where she was based.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: JayMac on April 18, 2012, 19:36:49
At least she admitted it.


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 18, 2012, 19:58:17
She said that she had been driving 12,000 miles a year for ten years - but didn't know what red traffic lights mean?? :o ::)


Title: Re: Level Crossing incident Newquay - Par, 19 January 2012
Post by: Ollie on April 19, 2012, 00:47:22
Ban should certainly be longer than that, if she has clients she can get the train, be safer.



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