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Title: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on November 07, 2012, 22:52:26
As a sort of follow on to this topic:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11525.0;topicseen

Take a look at this bridge bash video from across the pond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20MCxSFgrnc


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 08, 2012, 22:40:20
Another example of a commendably robust railway bridge, in Cheshire - from This is Cheshire (http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/10035816._/?):

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HGV now removed after being stuck under bridge on Marsh House Lane

(http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/resources/images/2220061/) (http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/resources/images/2220062/) (http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/resources/images/2220063/)

A lorry has crashed into the railway bridge on Marsh House Lane in Padgate, closing the road for four hours.

Police say the collision occurred at 2.02pm today, Thursday.

Marsh House Lane has now reopened following the accident which saw the HGV stuck under the bridge.

The HGV is currently stuck underneath the bridge, although it is not yet known what caused the crash.

No one was injured and the road was reopened around 6pm after the lorry was removed.

Network Rail engineers inspected the bridge, although the rail line is no longer used, and found there was no long term damage.

  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 09, 2012, 13:28:42
.......yes but in the video the vehicles are actually hitting a bridge bash beam errected in front of the bridge (and slicing off the tops of the lorries before they actually hit the bridge structure - as designed) ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 09, 2012, 17:51:42
Here's another effective bridge bash beam, at Pangbourne.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: rogerw on November 09, 2012, 18:49:25
"The HGV is currently stuck underneath the bridge, although it is not yet known what caused the crash."

I just love this superb piece of reporting ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on November 09, 2012, 19:04:34
"The HGV is currently stuck underneath the bridge, although it is not yet known what caused the crash."

I just love this superb piece of reporting ;D

Perhaps the journo might have been on that course about accurate insurance claim reporting, run by a certain Mr J Carrott?

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 14, 2012, 23:19:19
Another example of a lorry driver with a sense of optimism bordering on insanity in even thinking this was possible - from Railway Eye (http://railwayeye.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/britains-best-bridge-bashes-new-feature.html):

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1cf9EMIExzw/UKOj_r9EUqI/AAAAAAAAGGg/neXC9V8btxI/s320/IMG00683-20121114-1135.jpg) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GGBiJOJyCQQ/UKOkDqfFvQI/AAAAAAAAGGw/yPk_OEd8aJc/s320/IMG00686-20121114-1156.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MuV243T5oxY/UKOk-RFrY8I/AAAAAAAAGHA/DfyVDLRpPn8/s320/IMG00685-20121114-1153v.jpg) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6G9m_r2NHHI/UKOlCLOpyxI/AAAAAAAAGHI/KYbY-WfclUQ/s320/IMG00687-20121114-1158v.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on November 15, 2012, 10:24:31
I am glad we are getting round to installing bridge bash beams on low bridges.

I first saw these in Magdeburg in 1996 and thought what a superb idea.

There they have two ways of discouraging high lorries. One large steel girders a couple of metres in front of teh bridge and 600V tram overhead!

In my opinion the tram wires are the best as it means that you've got a proper urban public transport system around town as well.

As a matter of interest does anyone know if the drivers get points on their licence for hitting a bridge?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 23, 2012, 20:35:18
Anyone recognise this bridge?  ;D

From This Is Cheshire (http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/10067512._/?):

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Lorry stuck under Marsh House Lane bridge in Orford

(http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/resources/images/2239927/) (http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/resources/images/2239931/)

A lorry has become jammed under the railway bridge on Marsh House Lane in Orford for the second time in two weeks.

The wagon became stuck after 10.30am at the bridge between Hume Street and O'Leary Street - causing the road to be closed.

Only a fortnight ago, a HGV also crashed into the same bridge in a similar fashion with its roof becoming trapped under the undercarriage.

Engineers from Network Rail were called at 11am to check any damage to the bridge.

Trains will not be affected as the railway bridge is not in use.

Marsh House Lane is still closed and police are advising drivers to avoid the area.

... particularly HGV drivers ...  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 08, 2013, 22:41:19
And again ... from This Is Local London (http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10267889._/?):

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Lorry stuck after railway bridge crash next to Raynes Park station

(http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/resources/images/2356291.jpg?type=articleLandscape)

There was commotion on a quiet side road this afternoon after a lorry became stuck in a railway bridge. The accident happened at about 3pm in a non-through road next to Raynes Park station, in which it appears the lorry drove underneath the railway line and exceeded the maximum height restriction.

Passersby on the ground - and on the train line above - watched as the lorry blocked the tunnel, with the driver having to let down the tyres and try to get the vehicle through.

A witness, Ben Steele, said: "It looks like he was carrying scrap metal because a girder has become stuck too. There were a lot of people standing around and taking pictures, some cars were complaining they couldn't get through. But to be honest it's quite jocular. People are having a bit of a laugh and taking photos. I suppose it helps it's a nice day today."

No injuries have been reported.

Other than to the lorry driver's credibility, perhaps.  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 08, 2013, 23:18:53
Perhaps 'Applied Impressions' can be employed to use their sign-writing skills to knock-up some cocking great warning signs at this and other low bridge locations.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 08, 2013, 23:20:39
Oh, the irony!  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 09, 2013, 00:23:37
And another - from the Westmorland Gazette (http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/10270817._/?):

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Lorry stuck under bridge leads to train delays on Lakes Line

(http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/resources/images/2357775/) (http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/resources/images/2357776/)
The lorry stuck under the bridge. Pic by Andrew Stuart.

Train services along the Lakes Line were experiencing delays and cancellations this afternoon after a lorry collided with a railway bridge.

The accident happened when a HGV Scania struck the underside of the railway bridge spanning Burneside Road in Kendal. The male driver of the vehicle, belonging to haulage firm, Bird^s Groupage Limited, was said to be unhurt.

Police attended the scene and traffic was moving freely after the lorry was eventually reversed from under the 14ft nine inch bridge.

Passerby Andrew Stuart was on the scene and said he saw the driver  'holding his head in his hands' after the accident.

"The lorry was the only vehicle involved and the driver was not hurt,"  said Mr Stuart.

As a precautionary measure, train services running in both directions and involving stations at Windermere, Staveley, Burneside, Kendal and Oxenholme were subject to delays.

At least one service to Oxenholme was cancelled and it is likely structural checks will be made to the bridge before services can fully resume.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 09, 2013, 16:41:50

As a matter of interest does anyone know if the drivers get points on their licence for hitting a bridge?

There is no specific offence of hitting a bridge, but that does not mean the law has not been broken. Any bridge of a height under 4.95 metres (16' 9") will have the height displayed in a warning sign, or more usually warning signs. Any vehicle with a height of over 3 metres (9' 10") should have a plate showing the height displayed in the cab. Transport operations managers must have protocols in place to ensure drivers can check the height so displayed is accurate. None of this will stop a driver in an unfamiliar vehicle or on an unfamiliar route, or whose mind is on other things, from missing the warnings and hitting the bridge. Assuming he didn't do it intentionally, or as a result of an dangerous act, he will be open to prosecution under section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, which says:

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3 Careless, and inconsiderate, driving.

If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.

The offence occurs when, viewed objectively, the defendant's driving falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver. I cannot see how a competent driver, exercising reasonable care, could drive an oversized vehicle under an undersized bridge. The maximum penalty is a scale 5 fine (^5000). The court must endorse the driver's licence with between 3 and 9 points, and has discretion to impose a disqualification. The sentence must reflect the degree of carelessness, not the effect of the incident. If death or serious injury results, a different, more serious charge would follow. But if no-one is harmed, the legal consequence for the driver should be the same if only a lick of paint is needed for the bridge as it would be were a six-track historic Grade 1 listed bridge to have to be demolished and rebuilt.

If the lapse in concentration was caused by reading the paper, using a mobile phone, lighting a fag, fiddling with the satnav or whatever, our driver may find that whatever excuse he offers will be likely to be disregarded, because case law has grown around these activities. The prosecution may even be for dangerous driving, under section 2 of the RTA 1988. The maximum then is 2 years prison, and an unlimited fine.  Disqualification is mandatory.

So yes, points can be awarded for hitting a bridge, but there would need to be a prosecution. Often in these cases, the law seems to shrug its shoulders and leave it to civil law to sort out the damages, unless something really nasty happens. The real pain will start for unfortunate driver and his employer when the insurance comes up for renewal. The driver and / or employer will be held responsible for all consequential costs, including the costs of stopping the railway from running. The scale of the problem can be glimpsed in this report from Network Rail (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documents/ForBusiness/12838_BridgeStrikes-RisksAndConsequences.pdf)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: John R on March 09, 2013, 17:23:56
I do wonder how interested Network Rail are though. I reported to them a year ago that one of the height restriction signs on the bridge at Nailsea & Backwell was missing, and it's still missing. Their response was that it is a local authority problem, but they would pass the message on. They haven't followed up to check that it has been done though.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: swrural on March 09, 2013, 19:50:21
FTN's careful response is appreciated.  Surely the kernel of this problem, as with so many other road traffic problems, is that, compared with rail, it's the wild west.  The safety measures are token, and observance is not actively pursued, and have not for decades, because 'we mustn't upset the motorist'.

So, take our other thread of the Moor Lane bridge at Weston over the railway, you will have observed in the link that one car followed through the red light at the traffic lights.  Do we think the driver will be prosecuted, even though he is on film?  Do we think that other drivers, in their droves, do not do the same?  Do we think, if there was a camera mounted on the traffic light, painted in bright yellow, they would still chance their arm?

In other words, if the penalty for an HGV driver colliding with a bridge when he should not have done, was to lose his HGV licence, I suspect it would be a rare event to see what is in the image above.



 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on March 09, 2013, 19:54:32
Of course for repeated occurrences with the same operator, the vehicle operator's license should also be removed. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 09, 2013, 20:46:32
We rarely get follow-up reports to know what the punishment for these bridge bashes is. But it is unlikely to be a slap on the wrists.

Careless Driving (aka driving without due care and attention) would be the usual offence. This can result in points on your licence if the culpability and harm is deemed to be low. Higher culpability will likely be indicated if you are driving a HGV, and higher harm will likely be indicated if you damage property. There can be other aggravating factors such as the delays to trains and other road users for a 'bridge bash' which the magistrate can consider when deciding the punishment. These aggravating factors may lead to greater points endorsement and a larger fine and may well make the offence serious enough for a discretionary driving ban.

Points can have a very negative effect on a HGV driver, increasing insurance premiums and possibly even loss of employment if contract requires a clean licence.

A ban will obviously result in the loss of employment as a HGV driver.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 09, 2013, 21:55:05
Looking at the Magistrates' Sentencing Guidelines (http://www.northants.police.uk/files/linked/WCU/Magistrate%20Sentencing%20Guidelines.pdf) (page 117 deals with careless driving), a bridge strike, whatever the damage, is unlikely to be in the highest category of culpability. A good lawyer, and probably most bad ones too, would argue that the unfortunate state of affairs came about as a result of a momentary lapse of concentration, rather than endemic failure to pay attention, setting the starting point much lower. The offence is triable only summarily, so the defendant cannot be sent to the Crown Court for sentence. The degree of harm or damage is not a factor in deciding what charge to bring - the simple fact of either is an aggravating consideration in careless driving, rather than a reason to go for dangerous driving. The truth is though that whatever happens, the cost to the driver in terms of fine will be considerably less than to the railway. What else happens will cost though. An insurance company, stumping up for a million-quid bill for repairs and cancelled trains, is unlikely to offer a protected no-claims discount next year. As BNM says, points on a licence can be the end of job. Some accidents have led to the truck and container being cut up for removal, with loss of the cargo.

Whilst checking details, I was amazed at how the first few pages of a google search for "careless driving" are taken up by adverts for the sort of law firm that could have helped Chris Huhne out of present predicament had he asked at the time. Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.

The vehicle operator, as well as the driver, will be in big trouble if there are not protocols in place to make safe driving a proactive matter. HGV and PSV drivers, who will be the culprit in most cases, are expected to show a higher standard of skill than "amateur" drivers.

Planning flights in light aircraft, one task was always to plot a minimum safety altitude. For a distance of 5 nautical miles either side of the planned track, the pilot checks the chart for the highest point. If that is a terrain peak, he assumes that there could be an antenna up to 300' on top. Then he adds 1000'. If at any point in that flight, he becomes temporarily uncertain of location (or lost), he can climb to that altitude while he sorts it out. A good lorry driver will plan his route in a similar way. Bridge heights are shown on such aids as the AA Truckers Atlas, as well as in various software packages. Satnavs show low bridges if programmed, but should never be relied upon.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 15, 2013, 00:19:15
And another - from Luton Today (http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/a-bridge-too-far-as-lorry-is-stuck-in-a-jam-1-4986821):

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A bridge too far as lorry is stuck in a jam

(http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/webimage/1.4986819.1365681189!/image/207489867.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/207489867.jpg)

This lorry driver^s eyes were bigger than his vehicle as he failed to squeeze under a railway bridge in Luton on Tuesday.

Beds Police were called to the scene in Hitchin Road at 4.36pm, and found the lorry stuck underneath the 13ft high bridge, blocking one side of the road.

A Beds Police spokesperson said: ^Officers attended to divert traffic and were at the scene until 6.10pm when the incident was passed to Network Rail. The lorry was extremely damaged but no one was hurt and we will not be taking any further action.^

Network Rail own the bridge and a spokesperson said: ^There were some minor scrapes on the bridge but no major damage. Line services were back to normal by 6.30pm. There might have been a small impact on services prior to that. We examined the bridge as a precautionary measure but it was all fine.^

The lorry was from Ewals Cargo Care and the company have not yet responded to requests for a comment.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 15, 2013, 00:29:05
Bedfordshire Police: "We will not be taking any further action."

What? Due care and attention at the very least. Wrong message entirely to not prosecute.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 22:04:24
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29514013):

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Halfords 'We Fit' lorry gets stuck under bridge

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The irony of the situation caused mirth on social media

A Halfords lorry bearing the "We Fit" logo has got stuck under a railway bridge in Beckenham.

The London Fire Brigade (LFB) was called to the scene at about 13:15 BST after the lorry trapped several parked cars on South Eden Park Road.

The LFB tweeted: "Going the 'extra mile' might have been the better option rather than trying to squeeze under a bridge in Beckenham."

Train services across the bridge were stopped as a result of the incident.

A spokesperson for Halfords said: "We would like to apologise for any delays and inconvenience caused to road and train travellers and will be working with the authorities to carry out a full investigation."

London Bridge trains on their way to Hayes were terminating at Elmers End before the lorry was cleared at about 18:30.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78043000/jpg/_78043223_2014-10-06-halfords2.jpg)
The lorry trapped several parked cars when it got stuck under the bridge


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 22:14:29
Three bridge bashes in one day. Two covered in other topics, one because it's a not infrequent occurrence at a station in the area covered by the forum, and another because of it's comedy value:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=3670.15
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14694.0

Details of the third:

From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-29512618):

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Lorry hits railway bridge in North Walsham

A lorry became stuck after hitting a railway bridge in Norfolk.

The top of the vehicle struck the bridge on the A149 Cromer Road, North Walsham, at about 09:20 BST.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78050000/jpg/_78050264_bzqzb3jiaaakkjp.jpg)

Engineers from Network Rail were called to assess the damage to the bridge and trains were temporarily prevented from using it.

Abellio Greater Anglia said normal service was resumed at 10:47, after the lorry had been removed. Trains were delayed by up to 10 minutes.

The road was also closed in November when a lorry hit the bridge.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 06, 2014, 22:29:38
The top picture from this article is going viral on Facebook.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 07, 2014, 10:12:46
And another. Apparently "we fit", but the picture suggests they don't...!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29514013 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29514013)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2014, 16:39:18
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-29976104):

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Low bridge in Grantham struck 15 times is reinforced

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The Springfield Road bridge is 3.6m (11ft 6in) high, and was last struck by a skip lorry in August

A railway bridge that has been struck 15 times in two years is being reinforced against future damage.

Impact beams are being fitted to the Springfield Road bridge in Grantham, Lincolnshire, in a bid to stop vehicles from hitting the main structure.

Justin Page, area director of Network Rail, said the move would help reduce disruption for rail and road users. He said when collisions do occur they can be dealt with more quickly.

Mr Page added: "In the future these beams will take the brunt of any strike."

All of the major routes through Grantham pass under bridges of restricted height and there are numerous instances of lorries striking them.

The Springfield Road bridge has been named as one of the worst in the country. However, disruption to passengers caused by bridge strikes is a nationwide problem, Network Rail said.

Last month, a Halfords 'We Fit' lorry got stuck under a bridge in London and train services across the bridge were stopped as a result of the incident.

Earlier this year, a railway bridge in West Yorkshire was closed after being hit by a skip lorry and a bridge in Edinburgh was damaged after a heavy goods lorry carrying a JCB got stuck under it.

In 2013, members of the Professional Drivers Foundation said "there was no excuse for it" after a Derbyshire bridge was hit five times in six months.

Officials in Grantham hope a new relief road planned for the town will help reduce the number of lorries having to negotiate the low bridges.

Springfield Road will be closed until the end of November while the work on the railway bridge is carried out.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on November 10, 2014, 09:45:29
Good to see we have at last overcome our squeamishnes about taking the roof off a lorry before it hits the bridge.

As I've posted before I first saw such beams in Magdaburg in 1996 where there is series of low bridges under a viaduct south of the Hbf. They were  a large goal post of heavy duty RSJs placed a couple of metres in front of the bridge. They also have another deterent at some other bridges, 600V tram power lines!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on November 10, 2014, 09:58:29
Good to see we have at last overcome our squeamishnes about taking the roof off a lorry before it hits the bridge.

As I've posted before I first saw such beams in Magdaburg in 1996 where there is series of low bridges under a viaduct south of the Hbf. They were  a large goal post of heavy duty RSJs placed a couple of metres in front of the bridge. They also have another deterent at some other bridges, 600V tram power lines!

I think Germany is one of those countries with a maximum vehicle height of 4 m, except with a special licence. (We don't have a legally-fixed limit.) So tram lines would be above that in all cases, I expect, whatever the bridge height.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 01, 2014, 17:10:07
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-30273687):

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Waitrose lorry wedged under Colchester railway bridge

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Trains in Essex have been delayed after a Waitrose lorry got stuck under a railway bridge.

The HGV became wedged on the A134 near Colchester North railway station at about 08:00 GMT.

Train operator Abellio Greater Anglia said the incident caused delays of up to 15 minutes in both directions.

A Waitrose spokesman apologised for "delays and inconvenience caused to road and rail users".

The lorry was freed after police took pressure out of the tyres, he said.

"We will work with authorities to fully investigate this," the spokesman added.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 01, 2014, 18:00:55
The Waitrose lorry looks to have been a couple of coats of paint too tall, so the technique of letting the tyres down will work. As long as they weren't let down too far, reflation will leave them undamaged. If they are completely let down before the lorry is moved, there is a likelihood of a stiff bill at KwikFit. And probably at Specsavers too.

I don't know whether bridge strikes are routinely investigated by BTP. If they aren't, then they should be IMHO, to ensure consistency in investigation. Decision making on whether or not to prosecute falls to the Crown Prosecution Service, but the quality of the case papers put before them has a bearing on the outcome.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chuffed on December 01, 2014, 18:26:18
Poor Rose had to wait a bit longer for her Norfolk bronzed turkey then ? At least, I think I am on safer ground in suggesting that the driver wasn't our own dear CfN then ?! ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2014, 18:30:29
Thanks for your concern, chuffed, but I am able to confirm that I cannot possibly be blamed for that latest one.  ::) :P :-[


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 01, 2014, 18:35:34
Mercedes Sprinter would have passed under that bridge with ease!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 01, 2014, 20:53:09
I wonder if the road under that bridge has recently been resurfaced. A resurface often raises the surface a few inches. I've seen a number of bridge strikes have been reported in the media that the truck had gone under it before a resurface.
This looks to be an inch or two too tall at most.

Edit***
After a little research As suspected the road is scheduled for resurfacing between November and mid December, road works can be seen in the photos attached to some articles.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 01, 2014, 21:09:00
Such a lot on my mind today, and someone has reminded me of turkey. Must order!

It is today my middle daughter's birthday, and as of 8.05 yesterday, courtesy of my youngest daughter, I have become Four Grandchildren, Now! This meant a departure at 03.00 with Mrs FT, N! to mind our oldest grandson, a return at 22.00 without her, followed by a "normal" day at work with me in an unusually affable humour. Luckily, I am no slouch in the kitchen.

Young William will, I am sure, grow to like railways. His elder brother already does, as well as aircraft.

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After a little research As suspected the road is scheduled for resurfacing between November and mid December, road works can be seen in the photos attached to some articles.

Let's hope they plane off more tarmac than they put back on.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 01, 2014, 21:35:30
Young William will, I am

That nickname's already taken FT,N!  :P


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 02, 2014, 18:31:46
Anyone know a good, cheap bricklayer?

As I was going to Tesco in Wokingham this morning, I was struck by just how bad this poor old bridge (on the RGRR over the A321) has got. I don't recall any single strike that was reported as especially bad, so I guess it is just cumulative damage.

The road slopes upwards towards this end, and you can see how vehicles gouge more deeply into the brickwork as that come up the hill and then push the facing bricks off. I wonder just how much worse can it get without jeopardising the train service.

WBC have a plan (or rather several options) to build a new one, either replacing this one or next to it. As usual, they seem determined to get almost all the money from s.106 contributions, so it may not happen at all soon.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 02, 2014, 19:06:26
Anyone know a good, cheap bricklayer?


I know several who can satisfy either one of the conditions, but none who fits the bill on both counts.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 10, 2014, 10:48:51
As I was going to Tesco in Wokingham this morning, I was struck by just how bad this poor old bridge (on the RGRR over the A321) has got. I don't recall any single strike that was reported as especially bad, so I guess it is just cumulative damage.

Network Rail are now going to repair this bridge, closing Finchampstead Raod for next weekend (12th-15th). Apparently there was a particularly serious strike a few weeks ago - though I guess it was still the last camel.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 10, 2014, 11:09:55
As I was going to Tesco in Wokingham this morning, I was struck by just how bad this poor old bridge (on the RGRR over the A321) has got. I don't recall any single strike that was reported as especially bad, so I guess it is just cumulative damage.

Network Rail are now going to repair this bridge, closing Finchampstead Raod for next weekend (12th-15th). Apparently there was a particularly serious strike a few weeks ago - though I guess it was still the last camel.

....or is it possible NR has been reading this thread as they don't seem bothered by other things falling down.... ::) :P


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CLPGMS on December 10, 2014, 16:32:17
Spare a thought for the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway, which reports the following on its Bridges to Broadway site.  Restoration of the bridge was only completed a few weeks ago.

"We are heartbroken to have to report that Broadway bridge was hit by a skip lorry at 12.50 on November 26th, while the Broadway gang was at work there. The skip scraped along the underside and damaged the paintwork and bolt ends. The lorry made off in reverse without leaving any details, however, we know the owner and registration number. The police have been informed.

To cap it all, Broadway bridge was hit a second time yesterday evening at 22.30hrs, in a similar way. Again the paintwork underneath was damaged, and one bolt was ripped out. The lorry involved was an articulated curtain sider, and after stopping briefly, again made off without leaving details. It must have suffered some damage, as several pieces of steel were left by the roadside. If anyone can give us more information on this second collision, we would be grateful to hear."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2015, 21:08:31
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-31083118):

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Cherry-picker van hits Bradford railway bridge

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80707000/jpg/_80707877_wypcranebridge.jpg)
The vehicle hit the bridge in Mill Lane, Bradford, at about 09.35 GMT

A cherry-picker van has crashed into a railway bridge in West Yorkshire causing delays to train services.

Police said the accident happened at about 09.35 GMT in Mill Lane, Bradford, near the Bradford Interchange.

Northern Rail said services were suspended from about 11.30 to 12.15 while Network Rail engineers inspected the bridge.

The road, which was closed to allow the vehicle to be removed, has since reopened. No-one was injured.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 19, 2015, 17:37:13
One of the more expensive incidents - a bridge hit by several cars!The source is BT's homepage (http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motoring/motoring-news/brand-new-ford-focus-cars-wrecked-after-lorry-gets-wedged-under-low-bridge-11363969431096)

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Brand new Ford Focus cars wrecked after lorry gets wedged under low bridge
Driver has some explaining to do after a shortcut took his car transporter under a low bridge ^ wrecking five new cars worth up to ^110,000.

(http://home.bt.com/images/brand-new-ford-focus-cars-wrecked-after-lorry-gets-wedged-under-low-bridge-136396943105003901-150319142142.jpg)

This is the moment a fleet of brand new Ford cars were wrecked before they even had a chance to clock up a single mile ^ after the driver of a car transporter got wedged under a low bridge.

The hapless driver took a shortcut to avoid queuing traffic when he collided with a 4.4m (14.5ft) high bridge.

Dramatic pictures showed the top tier of the vehicle ^ containing five brand new Ford Focus cars - virtually flattened in the crash.

The incident happened when the driver from Merseyside, drove under the Snowford Hill railway bridge near Long Itchington, Warkwickshire.

(http://home.bt.com/images/IMAGENAME-136396943093202601)
New Ford Focus cars start at ^13,995 for the 1.6-litre petrol model, rising to ^21,795 for the top-of-the-range diesel edition.

One motorist who witnessed the crash said: "It was like watching it in slow motion.

"It's a long road and it was pretty obvious the transporter was too high for the bridge but it kept going and suddenly there was a crunch and all these new cars got wrecked.

"The driver wasn't hurt but he looked as white as a sheet, he was no doubt trying to think of how he was going to explain it to his bosses at Ford.

"It had to be Friday 13th when the accident happened. If you want take a chance on a shortcut that is not the day to try your luck."

(http://home.bt.com/images/IMAGENAME-136396943099102601)

It is believed the damage to the cars and the bridge will run into tens of thousands of pounds.

An engineer from Warwickshire County Council was sent to inspect the damage and make a report.

A spokeswoman for Ford confirmed the "serious incident" was currently under investigation and said it was not possible to comment further at this stage.

Photo credits: SWNS

I love the line "It is believed the damage to the cars and the bridge will run into tens of thousands of pounds." - duh! Two wrecked cars runs into tens of thousands.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 21, 2015, 02:10:22
One from 'our' area:

From the Wilts & Gloucestershire Standard (http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/11870345.BREAKING__Lorry_crashes_into_railway_bridge_near_Kemble__closing_main_route_from_Cirencester_to_Tetbury/):

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Lorry recovered after crashing into railway bridge near Kemble
Last updated 15:03 Friday 20 March 2015
(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Crash_zpsx5gafsvn.jpg)

A LORRY crashed into a railway bridge on the A433 into Kemble but the road has now been reopened.

The A433 was closed by police as structural assessments took place.

The lorry hit the bridge on the A433 between Cirencester and Tetbury at around 10am this morning and the road was reopened at around 2.10pm.

The lorry was carrying recycled plastic granules which were not hazardous. There were no injuries as a result of the crash.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2015, 15:44:31
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32218443):

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Lorry hits bridge as train heads towards it in North Dulwich

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Passengers were stranded on board the train after the lorry hit the bridge's parapet

A lorry has crashed into a rail bridge that had a passenger train heading towards it.

London Fire Brigade (LFB) said it was called at about 11:25 BST after a crane on the lorry hit the bridge in Village Way, North Dulwich.

LFB said no one was injured and it managed to transfer all 89 passengers on to another train to continue their journeys.

Passenger Paul Coggins said he was trapped on the train for over an hour.

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82185000/jpg/_82185965_82180710.jpg)
The 89 passengers were transferred to a second locomotive to continue their journeys

Richard Knighton, from LFB, said: "The lorry has smashed into the bridge and the 'grabber' on top has gone on to the track. The train driver has quickly seen it and jumped on the emergency brakes, which has narrowly escaped a potential disaster. The track has also been damaged so there was also the possibility of a derailing."

Network Rail said the lorry's crane attachment, which was extended at the time, hit the bridge parapet causing part of it to fall on to the railway. The rail company said: "Power was cut off to the conductor rail and the train. An engineer is on site inspecting the bridge further and should any structural defect be found, then we will have to stop trains for repairs to be made."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on April 08, 2015, 15:48:52
Crane Jib extended? While motoring?

Someone's picking up a P45 there.

"Locomotive"....bloody journalists.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2015, 21:32:22
"Locomotive"....bloody journalists.

I merely quote them here on the Coffee Shop forum, ChrisB ... for our collective amusement.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 08, 2015, 23:20:28
Seems they wanted the juice off rather than the jewson at this incident. :D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on April 09, 2015, 20:30:42
"Locomotive"....bloody journalists.

I merely quote them here on the Coffee Shop forum, ChrisB ... for our collective amusement.  ;) :D ;D

Well at least they have corrected it ! the report now on the BBC website refers to a second TRAIN not to a locomotive.
The ORIGINAL BBC report may still be seen as a quote a few posts back in this thread. The UPDATED BBC report may be seen by clicking link.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 20, 2015, 19:14:52
Hardly a week goes by (from last Thurs)...

From Worcester News (http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/12894410.Driver_gets_lorry_load_wedged_under_bridge/?ref=mmsp):

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Driver gets lorry load wedged under bridge

(http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/resources/images/3683148.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc2)

A LORRY and its load got wedged under a Worcestershire bridge following a crash earlier today.

The incident happened at the turning from the A449 at Kidderminster onto the A450 towards Hagley.

The Operations Patrol Unit for West Mercia Police, who supplied this picture, said: "A lorry has struck the bridge and its load has fallen off.

"The driver is fine albeit shook up. There doesn't look to be any bridge damage but it's been reported anyway."

The road reopened shortly after 2pm.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on May 16, 2015, 14:50:41
Another one, this time on the Cambrian Coast line, no mention of any suspension of rail services:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-32751981 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-32751981)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on May 22, 2015, 16:13:09
Today's report, courtesy of BT internet news (http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motoring/motoring-news/red-faced-lorry-driver-gets-skip-truck-wedged-under-a-bridge-11363982344315) comes from Surrey, where a skip lorry driver may be more likely to find himself in hot water than Virginia Water:

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Red-faced lorry driver gets skip truck wedged under a bridge
A truck driver caused commuter chaos when his skip lorry became wedged under a railway bridge, causing road and rail links to be closed.
(http://home.bt.com/images/truck-wedged-under-tunnel-136398234393403901-150522100955.jpg)

A truck driver found himself in a sticky situation, after his skip lorry became wedged under a bridge.

The huge vehicle tipped onto its side after it became wedged in the redbrick rail bridge, causing travel chaos for thousands of commuters trying to get home.

The white lorry struck the bridge, in Virginia Water, Surrey, at around 3pm on Wednesday - forcing transport bosses to close the train line in case the bridge was structurally damaged.

A witness to the crash said: "I was in the second car heading towards the lorry when it got stuck.

"There was this huge almighty crunch and grinding sound, then it came to a halt.

"The driver got out and he did not look very happy at all.

"It's a low bridge, which high vehicles are meant to take in the middle, but he just ploughed straight into the side."

It is not clear who operates the skip lorry.

Photo credits: SWNS

Understatement of the week:
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"The driver got out and he did not look very happy at all."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 22, 2015, 22:47:24
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/traffic-chaos-for-doncaster-drivers-as-lorry-gets-stuck-under-bridge-1-7517913

I guess this driver got a roasting from his boss!

Quote

(http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/webimage/1.7517912.1444924384!/image/1640843467.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/1640843467.jpg)
Motorists faced significant delays this afternoon when police were forced to close a busy Doncaster road after a lorry got stuck under a bridge.

The E.Park & Sons lorry collided with the bridge in Station Road, Bawtry at around 3pm.

Police closed the road for around 45 minutes as the vehicle was removed.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 22, 2015, 22:58:48
Certainly mashed that trailer. Nearly peeled the roof off. ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 22, 2015, 23:29:50
Hopefully didn't take any chips out of the bridge.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 23, 2015, 04:31:07
Thank you for your crisp comments.  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 23, 2015, 15:40:41
Certainly looks tattie...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: hoover50 on October 23, 2015, 15:45:34
I wonder how many of these idiot lorry drivers ever get prosecuted for careless driving / driving without due care and attention?  >:(


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on October 23, 2015, 15:49:44
I'm sure NR puts in a claim against their insurance company - and probably lets their firm take their increasing premiums up with their errant drivers!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 04, 2015, 17:31:39
.....not a road vehicle but it is (was) a railway bridge... ::) :P

http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/niedersachsen/artikel/644879/frachterunfall-vermutlich-totalschaden-an-friesenbrucke-1#gallery&0&1&644879


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 04, 2015, 17:48:24
.....not a road vehicle but it is (was) a railway bridge... ::) :P

http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/niedersachsen/artikel/644879/frachterunfall-vermutlich-totalschaden-an-friesenbrucke-1#gallery&0&1&644879

If you'd rather have that in English, with more pictures, as well, see here (https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/4880-Cargo-ship-EMSMOON-allided-with-Ems-bridge-in-Papenburg-Germany-Bridge-severely-damaged).


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 04, 2015, 19:58:40
Ach, Schei^e!

That will take a bit of sorting out.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on December 04, 2015, 21:33:13
I fancy that there may be delays on that line for several days weeks months


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 05, 2015, 19:58:50
I fancy that there may be delays on that line for several days weeks
months years


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 05, 2015, 21:31:15
Pah! It didn't catch fire or anything! Nothing compared to what a couple of oil barges can do over here!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 05, 2015, 23:07:07
I fancy that there may be delays on that line for several days weeks
months years


This may be an important freight link, but as far as passenger trains are concerned it's probably not worth rebuilding. All it carries is the end of a local service from Groningen, and being cross-border but not between big cities that's just a minor branch line. It's run by Arriva - described in one German site as a British rail company (showing journalists are the same all over).

This bit of the bridge is routinely lifted off by a floating crane to let cruise ships escape from the yard that builds them. However, I don't suppose they have a spare one anywhere - and in any case the fixed part and lift gear was damaged too.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 05, 2015, 23:30:28
It's run by Arriva - described in one German site as a British rail company (showing journalists are the same all over).

Oh, the irony!  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on January 24, 2016, 22:29:29
This wonderful picture from twitter

https://twitter.com/trilljester/status/598903225215897600 (https://twitter.com/trilljester/status/598903225215897600)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on January 24, 2016, 22:34:54
I laughed at that one. Hard.

The image in question:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE-7TqbUkAAORpF.jpg)

Found this one via Google too:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGtVXHZUgAEXXmD.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on January 24, 2016, 22:35:57
Thanks for sorting the image bnm


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on January 27, 2016, 09:11:19
A report on the TV says a lorry is stuck under a bridge in Royal Wootton Bassett. No mention on Journey Check so far, nor on twitter.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on January 27, 2016, 09:54:12
The Adver has this:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14232978.Road_shut_as_lorry_is_stuck_under_Swindon_bridge/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14232978.Road_shut_as_lorry_is_stuck_under_Swindon_bridge/)

(http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/4669903.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc3)

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A LORRY has become stuck under the bridge on Wootton Bassett Road, resulting in a temporary closure of the A3102.

Motorists are warned to expect delays as recovery teams move in to to extract the Lenham Lorry, which hit the bridge at about 8am, and traffic is being diverted by police.

A spokesman for Wiltshire Police said: "We got the call at 7.50am to a lorry on its side. Road closures are in place and the road is expected to be closed for several hours.

"Swindon Borough Council/highways putting in diversions.

"No serious injury to driver of lorry."

Congestion is reported to Blagrove Roundabout and on the B4006 to Bruce Street Roundabout, with long tailbacks of traffic.

Thamesdown Transport have diverted their Eastbound (West Swindon to Town Centre) services 1, 1a and 27 via Great Western Way and Paddington Drive (Bridgemead). This means that the stop at Mannington Roundabout Eastbound is currently not in use.

Westbound services (Town Centre to West Swindon) are operating their normal route.

There are severe delays for Stagecoach routes 8, 9 and 55.

A Network Rail spokesman said: "As a safety precaution trains were instructed to pass over the bridge at 5mph, this led to three trains being slightly delayed.

"Our engineer was on site within 15 minutes and conducted an inspection, the outcome of which was that there was no damage to the bridge and so normal service resumed."

Last February a Sparks Transport lorry became wedged under the bridge and began tilting sideways, in what have been a series of bridge strikes over the years. The driver was unhurt in the incident.

Notable accidents include August 2001, when two lorries hit the bridge in one day.

In November 2010 a Wilkinsons driver was fined ^85 for colliding with the bridge.

On January 22, 2013, a 32-tonne truck became stuck after its driver miscalculated the height and claimed the bridge signs were faulty.

A Mr Kipling^s cakes truck^s arched roof was ripped off later that year after a driver, apparently confused by his sat-nav, crashed into the bridge.

In January 2015 an Oak Furnitureland lorry hit the bridge, with the trailer striking the top and having to be cut up so the vehicle could be freed.

At 9.45am Thamesdown Transport said the road had reopened.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on January 27, 2016, 12:12:01
Running Horse bridge claims another lorry. 

Biggest delay was to the 05:58 from Swansea.  It was already running late after door problems at Newport, but left Swindon 30 minutes late and was 34 late by Paddington.

Also, as mentioned in the article, it didn't do much for bus services in Swindon either!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on January 27, 2016, 15:24:18
The original Swindon Evening Advertiser link now contains an update on the situation and - as a bonus - a photographic history of strikes on the bridge!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14232978.UPDATE__Road_shut_as_lorry_hits_Swindon_bridge/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14232978.UPDATE__Road_shut_as_lorry_hits_Swindon_bridge/)



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on January 27, 2016, 17:25:56
It, erm, strikes me that at 14' 9' or 4.5m, that this bridge is particularly at risk, as the standard unmarked bridge height is 16' 6" or 5.1m, so really quite close in height to this one. Most of the strikes appear to have been caused by vehicles heading out of Swindon, from what I can tell from assorted photos.

Given the number of hits this bridge has taken over the past few years, I'm surprised the local authority and Network Rail haven't considered reducing the carriageway height by a couple of feet to cure this problem. It would also be possible to erect some kind of overheight warning device of some sort at the traffic light controlled junction immediately before this bridge in either direction (the traffic lights could change to red on the approach of anything too large even?), as a left turn at either set of lights provides a suitable escape for any overheight vehicles.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on January 27, 2016, 18:05:05
I'm pretty certain there is an overheight sensor and warning equipment on the western approach (i.e. coming from Mannington roundabout/John Lewis). I don't recall seeing any in the other direction (from the Dick Lovett side), and that's the way this truck was heading. I'll take a look at stupid-o'clock tomorrow as I pootle to the station.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: tomL on January 27, 2016, 18:51:29
This brought Swindon to a standstill this morning, trains, cars and buses. It didn't help the diversion was through the now long running joke that is the Bruce Street Bridges works.  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 27, 2016, 20:02:39
It, erm, strikes me that at 14' 9' or 4.5m, that this bridge is particularly at risk, as the standard unmarked bridge height is 16' 6" or 5.1m, so really quite close in height to this one.

That's true, but not for drivers - there's a 3" minimum clearance that is allowed by reducing the signed height. The Rules (Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 4: Warning Signs) say:
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7.11 The imperial figure shown on signs to indicate the available headroom should be at least 3 inches less than the measured height to allow a safety margin. If the resulting figure is not a multiple of 3 inches, it should be rounded down to the nearest lower multiple of 3 inches.

Example 1: measured height 15'-2", subtract 3" to create a safety margin 14'-11", round down to nearest multiple of 3" and sign as 14'-9".
Example 2: measured height 14'-6", subtract 3" to create a safety margin 14'-3", and sign as 14'-3" (rounding down not required as already expressed to the nearest 3")

Thus, the maximum headroom that will normally appear on a sign is 16'-0".

But what was the logic behind saying "this bridge is particularly at risk"? I guess it's that a driver might spot lower low bridges as too low just by eye, but this one would not stand out so much. Whether that's reason enough to concentrate efforts to heighten bridges on such high low bridges in particular I'm not so sure. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on January 27, 2016, 20:24:04
Given the number of hits this bridge has taken over the past few years, I'm surprised the local authority and Network Rail haven't considered reducing the carriageway height by a couple of feet to cure this problem.

I am not sure that would work there is a flood spot nearby at the Running Horse Pub. Lowering the road here by 2ft might just be enough to cause flooding here.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Rob on the hill on January 27, 2016, 20:59:13
I'm pretty certain there is an overheight sensor and warning equipment on the western approach (i.e. coming from Mannington roundabout/John Lewis). I don't recall seeing any in the other direction (from the Dick Lovett side), and that's the way this truck was heading. I'll take a look at stupid-o'clock tomorrow as I pootle to the station.
I noticed a while ago, what I believe is the sensor on the Mannington side, appeared to have been knocked and was leaning at an angle. Having passed it tonight it is still leaning, so perhaps it may not have been working properly?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 27, 2016, 23:14:15
I'm pretty certain there is an overheight sensor and warning equipment on the western approach (i.e. coming from Mannington roundabout/John Lewis). I don't recall seeing any in the other direction (from the Dick Lovett side), and that's the way this truck was heading. I'll take a look at stupid-o'clock tomorrow as I pootle to the station.
I noticed a while ago, what I believe is the sensor on the Mannington side, appeared to have been knocked and was leaning at an angle. Having passed it tonight it is still leaning, so perhaps it may not have been working properly?

Google Street View (date July 2015) shows detectors and warning signs on the A3102 both ways. It also shows the collision protection beams bolted onto the abutments - belt and braces, as it were. But they work - I don't think the trains were delayed at all. 

DfT have a page linking to several guides (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prevention-of-bridge-strikes-good-practice-guide) on low bridges and how be nice to them. The truck driver's guide says:
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You should be aware that traffic signs are provided at bridges to show the maximum permitted vehicle height when less than 16 ́-3 ̋ (4.95 metres).
That's less than the 16'6"" (5.03 m) due to that 3" clearance.

The "Protocol for Highway Managers & Bridge Owners" explains about protection measures:
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B.5 Variable message signs (VMS) with height detection equipment
B.5.1 Infra red beams are placed in advance of the bridge and are set at the restricted signed height so that they activate the sign if the beam is broken by an overheight vehicle. The activated sign provides a warning so that the driver of the offending vehicle is given the opportunity to stop and
divert.
B.5.2 Sufficient distance is necessary for beam and sign to be located in advance of the bridge both for the sign to respond and for the driver to read and react to its message. To maximise the effectiveness of VMS through positioning, consider:
^ locating the signs in advance of a point where drivers can
easily re-route, ideally without having to turn around
^ positioning the signs away from junctions, roundabouts or other complex situations and large light sources or distractions Consideration should be given to whether parking restrictions are required so that neither the sign nor the detector is obscured by parked vehicles.
...
B.5.4 Infra red beams can suffer from malfunction due to beam misalignment and so it is essential to have a clear default message indicating when the sign is not working. It is recommended that signs are remotely monitored to identify any malfunction.
B.5.5 Each installation should have a robust maintenance contract which includes an emergency response requirement to deal with a malfunction.
How easy is it going to be to comply with both of those two points to consider at once?

And:
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B.2 Collision protection beams (CPBs)
B.2.1 Collision protection beams are installations designed to absorb the force from an impacting vehicle and so protect the structure of a bridge. As such they are generally built into the existing bridge abutments because the Highways Act 1980 does not permit free standing supports over the highway as they would create an additional and avoidable hazard to traffic.
...
B.2.4. Collision protection beams to a flat soffit bridge should be erected between 10 - 20 mm lower than the actual bridge soffit (See BD6510) and so the headroom clearance must be rechecked and any necessary adjustments made to the signing before traffic is allowed access under the bridge. The promoter of the protection scheme should allow for and meet the cost of any related re-signing.
I'm not convinced by that reference to the Highways Act 1980. I presume it means section 178, which says (in part):
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178 Restriction on placing rails, beams etc. over highways.
(1)No person shall fix or place any overhead beam, rail, pipe, cable, wire or other similar apparatus over, along or across a highway without the consent of the highway authority for the highway, and the highway authority may attach to their consent such reasonable terms and conditions as they think fit.
...
(5)This section does not apply to any works or apparatus belonging to any statutory undertakers...
Since railways usually count as statutory undertakings, this appears not to be a blanket ban on beams across roads on two counts.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on January 28, 2016, 00:20:32
But what was the logic behind saying "this bridge is particularly at risk"? I guess it's that a driver might spot lower low bridges as too low just by eye, but this one would not stand out so much. Whether that's reason enough to concentrate efforts to heighten bridges on such high low bridges in particular I'm not so sure. 

That was exactly my logic! The fact it's only just a low bridge I suspect tempts people to have a go - perhaps fatigue, unfamiliar vehicle, time pressure, inexperienced drivers or those unfamiliar with the area could be contributory factors (but not really an excuse of course!). I was mostly just postulating out loud, so please forgive any technical oversights or pie in the sky ideas!

This bridge seems to be particularly vulnerable as its been hit repeatedly over recent years and obviously carries a significant transport link in the GWML and is on a main arterial road through Swindon - given the disruption bridge strikes cause here it would seem sensible to me to mitigate the risk of further bridge strikes at this particular location.

I did look on google street view and didn't see any evidence of overheight sensors or signs, so apologies for missing that! Would seem sensible to me if those sensors were linked to the traffic lights either side of the bridge - a red light is usually pretty unambiguous and requires no thought for most drivers to respond to, but I'm sure some regulations or another, as you have highlighted, would preclude that.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 28, 2016, 00:52:50
I did look on google street view and didn't see any evidence of overheight sensors or signs, so apologies for missing that! Would seem sensible to me if those sensors were linked to the traffic lights either side of the bridge - a red light is usually pretty unambiguous and requires no thought for most drivers to respond to, but I'm sure some regulations or another, as you have highlighted, would preclude that.

The sensors are well before the bridge, to give enough time to see the sign and manoeuvre to turn left. I think the signs say "TURN LEFT" - obviously they are not illuminated in Street View, but that didn't stop one of them getting pixellated anyway.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on January 28, 2016, 07:49:33
The fact it's only just a low bridge I suspect tempts people to have a go ...

Running places where the public can come and where we have lots of visitors over the years

* Very tall people are so used to ducking that they always do
* Very low clearances are so obviously duck-unders that everyone stoops
... and it's those who are just a bit too tall for a slightly low lintel who are knocking their heads


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on January 28, 2016, 09:52:39
28 Jan - The sensor on the Mannington side still appears to be pointing skywards as Rob mentioned earlier.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on January 28, 2016, 10:30:25
Even if it is just a few inches too low for the lorry, the driver has the ultimate responsibilty for the incident. The operator of the lorry can also be culpable. Routes should be planned with low bridges (and weight limits, power cables, narrow lanes etc) in mind before anyone starts the engine. Software exists to enable freight operators to do exactly that.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on January 28, 2016, 11:51:49
Even if it is just a few inches too low for the lorry, the driver has the ultimate responsibilty for the incident. The operator of the lorry can also be culpable. Routes should be planned with low bridges (and weight limits, power cables, narrow lanes etc) in mind before anyone starts the engine. Software exists to enable freight operators to do exactly that.

It is also mandatory for all tall vehicles (I'm not 100% sure above what height this becomes mandatory) to have their overall height clearly marked and visible from the driving position - I would assume any missing labels would result in a roadworthiness test fail.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on January 28, 2016, 13:27:27
Interesting quote from a previous post on collision protection beams having to be bolted to the bridge abutments:

"the Highways Act 1980 does not permit free standing supports over the highway as they would create an additional and avoidable hazard to traffic."

Don't understand why would they be an additonal and avoidable hazard to traffic. Surely the whole point is to take the top off a too high a vehicle before it hits the bridge. The Germans don't have any such qualms, I first saw very substantial  free standing beams (RSJs) in Magdeburg in 1996. They also ahve 600 V tram wires as well on other low bridges!

Please explain.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 28, 2016, 14:15:57
Interesting quote from a previous post on collision protection beams having to be bolted to the bridge abutments:

"the Highways Act 1980 does not permit free standing supports over the highway as they would create an additional and avoidable hazard to traffic."

Don't understand why would they be an additonal and avoidable hazard to traffic. Surely the whole point is to take the top off a too high a vehicle before it hits the bridge. The Germans don't have any such qualms, I first saw very substantial  free standing beams (RSJs) in Magdeburg in 1996. They also ahve 600 V tram wires as well on other low bridges!

Please explain.

I've seen the same thing said about their not being allowed in other places, but as the rest of that post shows I can't trace it to the act in question. But, being literal (or legalistic) a separate portal would be a hazard - it's an obstruction the same height as a bridge which is one - it is additional - not part of the bridge - and avoidable in the sense that you can build the bridge, and have it perform its purpose, without one.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on January 28, 2016, 14:45:20
There is an obvious answer - build another bridge, just before the existing one.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on January 28, 2016, 16:23:39
28 Jan - The sensor on the Mannington side still appears to be pointing skywards as Rob mentioned earlier.

Follow up story in the Advertiser has a picture

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14237730.Car_smash_put_bridge_lorry_warning_system_out_of_order/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14237730.Car_smash_put_bridge_lorry_warning_system_out_of_order/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on January 28, 2016, 16:52:43
Ah! I stand corrected: it was heading towards Swindon from Mannington. I had earlier assumed it was going the other way.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2016, 20:14:47
It is also mandatory for all tall vehicles (I'm not 100% sure above what height this becomes mandatory) to have their overall height clearly marked and visible from the driving position - I would assume any missing labels would result in a roadworthiness test fail.

I don't know about the legal requirements either, offhand - but I do have clear label markings in the cab of my delivery van to remind me that my vehicle's height is 9' 6", and its width is 8' 1".

There is a Brunel railway overbridge in Keynsham (a village between Bristol and Bath) with a signposted headroom clearance of 9' 6" on the approaching downhill side - but I have negotiated it with plenty of clearance, due to the tolerances.  ;)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on February 01, 2016, 08:35:50
The law says:

Regulation 10(2) Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986

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No person shall use or cause or permit to be used on a road a vehicle to which this regulation applies if the overall travelling height exceeds 3.66 m unless there is carried in the vehicle in the manner specified in paragraph (3) a notice clearly indicating in feet and inches and in figures not less than 40 mm tall, the overall travelling height.

A classic example of mixed units there, possible intended to cause confusion, but it is 12 feet in old money.

This being Britain, though, there is obviously a list of exemptions from this requirement, including EU vehicles of less than 4 metres height on international journeys, any vehicle highly unlikely to meet a low bridge on its travels, agricultural vehicles in certain circumstances, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on February 01, 2016, 09:51:53
The law says:

Regulation 10(2) Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986

Curiouserly, Regulation 10 starts off with:
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Indication of overall travelling height

10.^(1) This regulation applies to every motor vehicle which is^

(a)constructed or adapted so as to be capable of hoisting and carrying a skip;
(b)carrying a container;
(c)drawing a trailer or semi-trailer carrying a container;
(d)engineering plant;
(e)carrying engineering equipment; or
(f)drawing a trailer or semi-trailer carrying engineering equipment.

Most of those cases would need to be measured, or at least checked, after each loading - so we are not talking about a permanent marking inside the cab. I also suspect that none of these would arise in the normal line of business of Waitrose (or its competitors).

More relevantly, if the regulation had been in force in 1978, it would not have prevented the bridge strike and consequent derailment at Oyne (as the inspector pointed out (http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Oyne1978.pdf)). It was in fact already in preparation at the time, and first enacted in the Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 5) Regulations 1978, coming into force on the 6th March 1979.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 01, 2016, 11:12:51

...Keynsham (a village between Bristol and Bath)


With its population of 16,500 souls, Keynsham is rather large to be described as a village. As an aside, I note that Nailsea is home to a mere 15,500 - does that make it a hamlet?  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on February 01, 2016, 11:29:45

With its population of 16,500 souls, Keynsham is rather large to be described as a village. As an aside, I note that Nailsea is home to a mere 15,500 - does that make it a hamlet?  ;D ;D ;D

From the Uxbridge English Dictionary:

"Hamlet: Only half of the upper leg of a pig, cured"


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2016, 18:01:57
With its population of 16,500 souls, Keynsham is rather large to be described as a village. As an aside, I note that Nailsea is home to a mere 15,500 - does that make it a hamlet?  ;D ;D ;D

Fair comment.  :-[

I was perhaps rather tactless in describing Keynsham as a village: Nailsea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nailsea) and Keynsham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynsham) are in fact both towns.  ;)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2016, 22:09:54
With its population of 16,500 souls, Keynsham is rather large to be described as a village. As an aside, I note that Nailsea is home to a mere 15,500 - does that make it a hamlet?  ;D ;D ;D

Fair comment.  :-[

I was perhaps rather tactless in describing Keynsham as a village: Nailsea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nailsea) and Keynsham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynsham) are in fact both towns.  ;)

What's the definitive line dividing towns and villages?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/greenpolitics/planning/9974987/Village-converted-to-town-status-to-build-more-homes.html


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on February 02, 2016, 14:25:46
Hungerford High Street this time....

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hung0202.jpg)

From the Newbury Weekly News (http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/17193/Train-services-delayed-after-vehicle-strikes.html)

Never a good time, but this was a particularly bad time for it to happen as, due to problems in the Challow and Chippenham areas, trains were being diverted via the Berks & Hants through Hungerford.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on February 02, 2016, 17:04:24
Caught by reg 10(1)(e) here...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on February 02, 2016, 22:38:12
These excavators are a known problem as if the arm is not properly secured they can move in transit increasing the height of the load. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 03, 2016, 22:49:57
Seems to be a bridge strike up in Berkshire this evening according to journey check

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Alterations to services between Newbury and Pewsey
Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge between Newbury and Pewsey all lines are closed.
Impact
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:15 03/03.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 09, 2016, 22:33:59
Taunton station railway bridge claimed a victim this morning, Tone FM got excited and have a large collection of videos and photos on their Facebook and website

http://tonefm.co.uk/news/rush-hour-gridlock-lorry-gets-stuck-taunton-station-bridge/

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Commuters have been at the centre of traffic chaos this morning as a HGV underestimated the height of a Taunton bridge.

A SPARKS lorry wedged itself underneath the Taunton Train Station Bridge on Station Road at around 8:15am today.

These images show the extend of damage to the goods vehicle and the traffic congestion caused by the incident.

(http://tonefm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/12801406_1086566334729618_7010765283280450254_n.jpg)

(http://tonefm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/10392305_1086556084730643_2496169722851170524_n.jpg)



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 09, 2016, 22:35:12
Beat me to it! I just spotted a BBC story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-35763259) about the same thing.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 09, 2016, 22:43:18
Beat me to it! I just spotted a BBC story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-35763259) about the same thing.

I maybe mistaken but I'm sure that's a 4.1m high trailer, which "should" fit under the bridge which is signed as 4.2m. (There should be a tolerance as well, to prevent a 4.2m high vehicle scraping along)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 09, 2016, 22:51:32
I maybe mistaken but I'm sure that's a 4.1m high trailer, which "should" fit under the bridge which is signed as 4.2m. (There should be a tolerance as well, to prevent a 4.2m high vehicle scraping along)

Well it didn't! As my grandmother told me long ago: "So long as what you're putting it in is bigger that what you're putting into it, you'll be fine".

Sage words which have got me through life thus far.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 09, 2016, 23:24:49
Much chatter locally that the height plates for that bridge in Taunton are as much as 3" out. Bridge should be showing as 13' 6" (with tolerance) following a resurfacing of the road.

More vehicles that were marginal in the past for clearance are now being damaged. Even the local bus operator has been caught out with double deckers that previous cleared the bridge no longer safe to do so. There's a good chance that today's incident would have been avoided had the curtain side been fully laden. That's how marginal the clearance, based on what may be an incorrectly signed height, is.

Whilst the old road surface was scraped away the last time it was resurfaced there is a belief locally that a thicker composite and asphalt top was used. With no one bothering to check the minimum clearance after.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on March 10, 2016, 01:14:39
...
Whilst the old road surface was scraped away the last time it was resurfaced there is a belief locally that a thicker composite and asphalt top was used. With no one bothering to check the minimum clearance after.

The DfT's "Prevention of Strikes on Bridges over Highways ^ a Protocol for Highway Managers & Bridge Owners" is pretty explicit (Appendix A):
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A.1 Highway repairs under bridges
A.1.1 No surfacing works including full depth reconstruction, plane off and inlay, surface dressing or overlay should be undertaken in the vicinity of any bridge without the proposal and its implications being discussed with the Highway Authority^s Bridge Engineer and the bridge owner, if different, and their agreements to the proposal obtained. This is due to the potential for uncontrolled reductions in headroom under the bridge to occur leading to an increase in incidences of bridge strikes.

This applies to all bridges, whether a bridge with a maintained headroom less than the standard minimum maintained headroom of 16^ (5.03m), below which all bridges should be signed, or a bridge with an actual minimum headroom greater than this limit.

The maintained headroom as specified in TD 2711 Chapter 6 must not be reduced at any time. The difference between the minimum measured headroom with the maintained headroom will determine, along with other local issues, the possibility of overlaying.

A.1.2 Obligations to consult and serve notice under the New Roads and Street Works Act16 must also be followed for such works.

A.1.3 In any such situation, there must always be a presumption against raising surfacing levels and so reducing headroom. Occasions when this might be allowed are strictly limited and must be controlled by the Highway Authority^s Bridge Engineer and agreed with the Rail Authority or other bridge owner.

Rail Authorities do, at certain sites, have a legal obligation to provide a minimum clearance and this must not be compromised by any proposal without formal agreement from all involved parties.

A.1.4 There are potentially very serious implications arising from possible changes in headroom as a result of surfacing work. Checking the available clearance under the bridge must therefore be carried out both before and after surfacing, the latter being before traffic is allowed back on the carriageway, to confirm compliance with the agreed design. If an unsanctioned, unprotected reduction in clearance has occurred, immediate corrective action must be taken before allowing traffic access.

A.1.5 If there is a change in headroom agreed by both parties, especially one which reduces available headroom on signed bridges, the responsibility for changing all related signs at, on and in advance of the bridge, and also on related directional signs to indicate the new signed height for the bridge before traffic is allowed access is vested with the Highway Authority. Signs to diagram 7014.1 (see Figure 2) should be provided at the site for a maximum of six months to advise drivers of the change.

A.1.6 Reductions in clearance under unsigned bridges must at no time reduce the available minimum headroom below that for the maintained headroom for the type of bridge involved.

A.1.7 If work has been undertaken which results in increased headroom, signing must be amended or removed, as appropriate, as soon as possible and again the Highway Authority is responsible for the changing or removing the signs.

That document may only describe itself as guidance, but I'd have thought a lawyer could find enough to get a case going.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 10, 2016, 09:06:45

That document may only describe itself as guidance, but I'd have thought a lawyer could find enough to get a case going.

And so would I. Were I the vehicle operator or his insurer, I would have a surveyor measuring that bridge to the absolute millimetre, before someone comes to rejig the road surface or change the height warning sign, and a stiff letter to the Highways Agency and Somerset County Council taking shape on the computer. That picture suggests that, whilst not the sort of total wipeout you see in many of the other pictures in this thread, it is more than just a glancing blow. It looks expensive, too. Of course, if the height under the bridge is as advertised and the height of the trailer is greater, I would keep schtum and hope no-one remembers.

If it does turn out that the road surface was raised during the works bignosemac mentioned (and I remember seeing them myself), I would expect settlement of the matter without litigation. Guidance is, as stuving says, only guidance. With such guidance, however, you should look not just at what is being said but also who is saying it, and why they think it necessary to say it. The DfT is the policy-making body for all matters transport in the UK, in tandem with the EU for national routes (at least at present). Like the international protocols on altitudes and flight levels in aviation, the purpose is to introduce and fix one standard for the whole country so that a 4.3 metre gap under a bridge in Auchtermuchty is the same as a 4.3 metre gap under a bridge in Nempnet Thrubwell (were there bridges in either place). The avoidance of anarchy in road works is a noble aim, and anyone resurfacing a road ignores guidance at their peril.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 10, 2016, 17:49:49
Taunton station railway bridge claimed a victim this morning, Tone FM got excited and have a large collection of videos and photos on their Facebook and website

http://tonefm.co.uk/news/rush-hour-gridlock-lorry-gets-stuck-taunton-station-bridge/

Quote
Commuters have been at the centre of traffic chaos this morning as a HGV underestimated the height of a Taunton bridge.

A SPARKS lorry wedged itself underneath the Taunton Train Station Bridge on Station Road at around 8:15am today.

These images show the extend of damage to the goods vehicle and the traffic congestion caused by the incident.

(http://tonefm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/12801406_1086566334729618_7010765283280450254_n.jpg)

(http://tonefm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/10392305_1086556084730643_2496169722851170524_n.jpg)


My bold. Firstly, it overestimated the height rather than underestimating it. More importantly, did the HGV do this all on its own or did the driver have a hand in this?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 10, 2016, 23:59:53
... under a bridge in Nempnet Thrubwell (were there bridges in either place).

It's actually Nempnett Thrubwell (a small village in North Somerset, for the benefit of the uninitiated), and I can confirm that there are no bridges there (I'm becoming an expert on roads in that area).  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 11, 2016, 10:14:36
Definitely no railways near Nempnett Thrubwell but I'll testify to some awfully steep, though mercifully short, hills.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 11, 2016, 18:30:34
(http://www.callington-today.co.uk/images/news/2016/roche-lorry-bridge.jpg)

On the old A30 near Roche, Cornwall. Cornish Times - http://bit.ly/1P4hwJ9


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 11, 2016, 22:58:05
The combined area of that yellow and black warning signage must be more than the size of the lorry itself: how did the driver apparently not see that??  :o


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 14, 2016, 09:36:42
Wasn't aware of the height of his vehicle? The lorry's position does highlight that much of the danger of bridge strikes is to other road users.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on May 04, 2016, 14:09:23
Another fairly spectacular one in London this time:

BBC News:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36200939 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36200939)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 04, 2016, 15:56:01
Surely a bridge being hit twice a month merits some serious preventative action being taken? Perhaps rebuilding the bridge or lowering the road, or installing girders a hundred yards ahead of the bridge so that they get hit instead.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on May 04, 2016, 16:54:18
Surely a bridge being hit twice a month merits some serious preventative action being taken? Perhaps rebuilding the bridge or lowering the road, or installing girders a hundred yards ahead of the bridge so that they get hit instead.

The article says that
Quote
It has also installed a large steel protection beam, the large "low bridge" banner and CCTV.

Installing girders ahead of the bridge is not always practical because of neighbouring properties.  Lowering the road may be possible, but you would need to be careful not to created a flood spot. Rebuilding the bridge at a higher level is likely to be very expensive as it is a very large bridge (both span and width) and it would also mean raising the platform levels through the adjacent Tulse Hill station and possibly rebuilding the footbridge there.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 04, 2016, 17:01:20
Installing CCTV is going to do what to prevent a truck driver crashing into it?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 04, 2016, 17:40:25
All those options are expensive but they only involve one (major) upheaval (or pretty much none in the case of girders). Getting every fortnight must also be expensive and incur regular upheaval.

CCTV should at least help with prosecution and hopefully getting truck drivers' insurance cos to pay out.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on May 04, 2016, 17:49:00
CCTV should at least help with prosecution and hopefully getting truck drivers' insurance cos to pay out.

I would have thought that it wasn't going to be rocket science working out who had hit the bridge even without CCTV  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on May 04, 2016, 18:12:04
Installing CCTV is going to do what to prevent a truck driver crashing into it?

The cameras are mounted on the outer pillars of the bridge - you can see one (or rather a pair together) on the left of the third picture. They must be to allow a choice of action or intervention (presumably for the road as well as the railway) to be made immediately.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on May 04, 2016, 18:43:33
I guess CCTV also allows for the situation where the driver hits a bridge but can still reverse out and disappear without  admitting it...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on May 04, 2016, 20:25:08
All those options are expensive but they only involve one (major) upheaval (or pretty much none in the case of girders). Getting every fortnight must also be expensive and incur regular upheaval.

CCTV should at least help with prosecution and hopefully getting truck drivers' insurance cos to pay out.

We would be talking bout lifting it ideally to 16'6" from 13'9".  The track raising works on either side would not be trivial nor would the alterations to Tulse Hill Station. Raising the bridge would involve a closure of this busy line at least for a long weekend so probably a Christmas closure.  It may also require a longer closure of Tulse Hill station.  As for the cost we are talking a lot of money here many I would guess many 10's of millions.  This is not a minor bridge. 

Lowering the road would seem like a more cost effective option if that is feasible. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 04, 2016, 20:39:11
A couple of high-exposure court actions for careless driving would give it much-needed publicity...heavy fines are a big deterrent. Word would get round the drivers pretty wuickly


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on May 05, 2016, 17:14:56
Here at Pangbourne there is a protection girder for the bridge next to the station.  And very effective it was in this instance:  the bridge was not damaged in this incident (which is more than can be said for the lorry).


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 05, 2016, 23:06:12
I want one of those girders for our railway bridge at Nailsea & Backwell!  ;D

Not that we need one, particularly: it would just be nice to have such a sturdy modern feature at our station.  :P


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on June 07, 2016, 14:13:05
And another...Pembrokeshire this time, near Johnston:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-36471656 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-36471656)

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A Pembrokeshire road which was closed in both directions after a lorry got stuck under a railway bridge has reopened.

Dyfed-Powys Police was called to the A4076 after the vehicle got wedged at Merlins Bridge near Johnston at about 12:10 BST.

The road had to be closed while the vehicle was recovered, but reopened shortly before 14:00.

No-one was injured in the crash

No mention of any disruption to rail services. I also presume the bridge survived undamaged.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on June 27, 2016, 22:49:30
Penyffordd bridge near Wrexham this time:

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Wrexham trains delayed after lorry crashes into bridge in Flintshire

Services were delayed for over an hour while engineers were at the scene of the incident to assess the damage
   
Words Steve Bagnall..........

Rail passengers faced delays this evening after a lorry crashed into a bridge.

Trains were unable to run between Wrexham Central and Bidston after the incident on Penyffordd bridge between Penyffordd and Hope at around 5.15pm.

Network Rail sent an engineer to the scene to assess any damage to the railway bridge, temporarily suspending services.

Commuters faced disruption, with a replacement bus service running between the two stations which extended journeys by about 20 minutes.

North Wales Police attended the incident and the line reopened at 6.39pm.

A Network Rail spokesperson said, “Following an articulated lorry striking Penyffordd bridge at 5.15pm this evening, Network Rail was forced to temporarily suspend rail services over the bridge until an engineer had carried out a safety inspection to ensure there was no damage to the bridge.

“Upon attending the bridge, the engineer found no damage and was able to re-open the line at 18:39. We’d like to thank all passengers whose journeys were delayed this evening for their patience.”
Source: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wrexham-trains-delayed-after-lorry-11533870?

Ended reasonably quickly and happily.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on June 28, 2016, 08:19:05
I want one of those girders for our railway bridge at Nailsea & Backwell!  ;D

Not that we need one, particularly: it would just be nice to have such a sturdy modern feature at our station.  :P

Interesting that we are now beginning to get girders. I first saw them in Magdeburg in 1996!

Now for the ultimate deterrent also seen in Magdeburg. Overhead 750V tram wires. Not only a deterrent but you also get proper urban public transport. Long live the tram!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 04, 2016, 09:53:07
One with a difference last night, The bridge across the Mawddach Estuary at Barmouth has been struck by a Yacht. Unable to find a news source, but the line was closed until this morning waiting for day light to inspect! I seen it on ATW journey updates last night and forgot to share it then!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on December 22, 2016, 17:38:30
Thames Head Bridge in Kemble hit today:

http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/14983254.VIDEO___PICTURES__Roof_ripped_off_lorry_as_it_drives_into_Thames_Head_Bridge_in_Tetbury_Road/?ref=mr&lp=1# (http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/14983254.VIDEO___PICTURES__Roof_ripped_off_lorry_as_it_drives_into_Thames_Head_Bridge_in_Tetbury_Road/?ref=mr&lp=1#)

(http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/resources/images/5830450/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on December 22, 2016, 17:45:33
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"The driver said that it did not say on the Satnav that it was a low bridge. He was a bit shocked I think."

See attached picture ... I would have hoped the local labelling might have helped him guess it was a low bridge as he approached it ...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on December 22, 2016, 18:09:26
Indeed. Really hard to see that there's any restriction there...  ::)

But the SatNav said...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 22, 2016, 21:25:17
I'm not sure which is worse: if the driver is using the satnav as an excuse for his own stupidity/inattention/misreading/chancing, or if he really was relying on the satnav. I think on balance probably the latter is worse. I expect it's likely to be a mixture though; the height wasn't marked on the satnav, which led to him choosing that route initially and then when he got there he decided to try and squeeze through (or something).


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 23, 2016, 01:35:02
... when he got there he decided to try and squeeze through (or something).

Sorry, I disagree: to have travelled that distance beyond the bridge, and have caused that much damage to the lorry, he must have gone through at some speed.

I know that road.  There are quite a few 'low bridge ahead' warning signs, well in advance, in both directions - giving alternative routes via Kemble, for example.  ::)



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 23, 2016, 15:33:34
Good point, but I wasn't thinking so much about his speed. I was wondering whether he really did go through there because he put all his faith in the sat nav, perhaps to the extent of trusting it over official road signs, or if that was just a post-crash excuse; and deciding that while the excuse was bad, it would be even worse if it was true.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 26, 2017, 17:20:53
Another incident, in Plymouth, this week.  From devonlive (http://www.devonlive.com/driver-reported-by-police-after-lorry-wedged-under-rail-bridge/story-30295427-detail/story.html):

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Driver reported by police after lorry wedged under rail bridge

Police have revealed that the driver of a lorry which got stuck under a railway bridge has been reported for driving without due care and attention.

The Palmer and Harvey lorry with 30-tonnes of goods inside became struck under the bridge on Saltash Road, Plymouth, near the train station. The railway line and road were closed for several hours.

The bridge was damaged in the incident on Tuesday afternoon, but remains structurally sound.

Now police have revealed the 46-year-old Plymouth driver has been reported for driving without due care and attention.

A spokesperson for Devon and Cornwall Police said: "The HGV was freed from under the bridge at 7.20pm. It had to be towed as was not in a roadworthy condition as a result of the collision. The bridge was significantly damaged, but the road was fully re-opened at 8pm. The driver, a 46-year-old man from the Plymouth area, was reported for driving without due care and attention."

(http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/binaries/lorry45f%20-%20Copy.jpg)

The lorry struck the bridge at about 5pm on Tuesday. Trains came to a standstill and the road was closed in both directions.

A spokesman for Network Rail said the bridge has been deemed structurally sound following the incident and lines are now back up and running.

"A lorry got stuck under Saltash Road bridge at Plymouth at around 5pm yesterday and staff were on the scene shortly after to examine the bridge," said the spokesman.

(http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/binaries/PLPC20170425G-001_C%20-%20Copy.JPG)

"Trains were initially stopped from crossing the bridge before a 5mph speed restriction was put in place. The lorry was recovered and usual line speed of trains returned to normal at 7.55pm."

Drivers and rail and bus users got caught up in huge delays as authorities sought to resolve the chaos off Pennycomequick Hill.

Palmer and Harvey has refused to comment.




Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 26, 2017, 21:32:35
I turned out of the station entrance at about 1630 and it was stuck under the bridge then so a bit earlier than the reported 5pm ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 26, 2017, 22:26:28
I do wonder if the two recent strikes of this bridge in Plymouth relate to the recent resurfacing. I don't recall anything hitting it prior to the resurfacing, now we've had 3 in 3 months.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on April 27, 2017, 00:11:50
I do wonder if the two recent strikes of this bridge in Plymouth relate to the recent resurfacing. I don't recall anything hitting it prior to the resurfacing, now we've had 3 in 3 months.

Did they really add that much extra thickness to the surface? I would expect a road like that would've been planed down and then a fresh top dressing added to return to the original surface height.

Estimating from the photos, it looks like a good 10-15cm overlap (which incidentally,is the difference between this bridge's clearance of 4.7m and the tallest HGV trailers currently in use in the UK at 4.9m (I would guess that the trailer seen in today's photos is one of those as it looks very tall)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on April 27, 2017, 07:01:47
I do wonder if the two recent strikes of this bridge in Plymouth relate to the recent resurfacing. I don't recall anything hitting it prior to the resurfacing, now we've had 3 in 3 months.

Did they really add that much extra thickness to the surface? I would expect a road like that would've been planed down and then a fresh top dressing added to return to the original surface height.

Estimating from the photos, it looks like a good 10-15cm overlap (which incidentally,is the difference between this bridge's clearance of 4.7m and the tallest HGV trailers currently in use in the UK at 4.9m (I would guess that the trailer seen in today's photos is one of those as it looks very tall)

I agree, the photo shows that the carriageway levels are defined by kerbs.  Unless these were reset the road surface would be pretty much the same as before. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on April 27, 2017, 09:45:56
Please, sir, why do the height signs for that bridge say 4.7m and 15'0"

The rules1 (for sign designers) actually tell you to work out, and most importantly to round down, the metric and imperial marked heights separately, not one from the other. So you won't always see the same pairings of marked height values.

Imperial - measure in inches, subtract 3" and round down to a multiple of 3".
Metric - measure in cm, discard last (cm) digit and if it was 7 or less subtract 10 cm. (Mark in metres with one decimal place.)

According to those rules, 15'0" can correctly appear with 4.5 or 4.6 m, and 4.7 m with 15'3", 15'6" or 15'9". But not 15'0"! How long has it been like that with no-one noticing?

What they are meant to be doing2 is this:
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3.5 Remeasures should be taken by the highway authority:
(a) before and after any proposed surfacing work (see paragraphs 2.3 and 2.4).
(b) when a highway inspector or bridge owner reports evidence of a possible
change in surfacing or other circumstance having occurred which has not
been recorded/measured.
(c) where there is evidence of a reported impact on the bridge. In this regard it
is important the highway authority is formally notified by bridge owners of
any strikes on their bridges.

(d) following any replacement, reconstruction or significant work by Network
Rail or other bridge owner to the bridge superstructure or the provision of
collision protection beams.
(e) at the time of every principal bridge inspection (must be organised by those
undertaking the inspection).
(f) every six years for rail over road bridges (programmed and carried out by
the highway authority) to equate to Network Rail’s cycle of inspection.

It's bad enough to get something so simple wrong to start with, though having seen how well our local sign-makers cope with those rules I'm not exactly incredulous. But for no-one to notice, even after a number of high-profile strikes, and with Network rail involved, is really quite worrying.

[I have now removed my previous rectraction - but corrected the text above, which incorrectly said the height marked was 15'6".]


1 Traffic Signs Manual; Chapter 4: Warning Signs  (2013)
2 Prevention of Strikes on Bridges over Highways - A Protocol for Highway Managers and Bridge Owners (prepared by CSS (County Surveyors Society) on behalf of the Department for Transport’s (DfT’s) Bridge Strike Prevention Group) (2007)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on April 27, 2017, 11:58:15
I do wonder if the two recent strikes of this bridge in Plymouth relate to the recent resurfacing. I don't recall anything hitting it prior to the resurfacing, now we've had 3 in 3 months.

Did they really add that much extra thickness to the surface? I would expect a road like that would've been planed down and then a fresh top dressing added to return to the original surface height.

Estimating from the photos, it looks like a good 10-15cm overlap (which incidentally,is the difference between this bridge's clearance of 4.7m and the tallest HGV trailers currently in use in the UK at 4.9m (I would guess that the trailer seen in today's photos is one of those as it looks very tall)

After stuvings post I had a look at google maps again. Coming from one direction there are no visible clearance signs on the structure of the bridge. From the other way (the direction that this latest unfortunate lorry approached from) the signs say 15'0" and 4.7m...

As the bridge clearly has a split level deck, could one be 15ft and the other part 4.7m and someone has made a bit of a boo-boo when making the sign...? I think someone needs an urgent trip out with a measuring stick!!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on April 27, 2017, 12:33:21
After stuvings post I had a look at google maps again. Coming from one direction there are no visible clearance signs on the structure of the bridge. From the other way (the direction that this latest unfortunate lorry approached from) the signs say 15'0" and 4.7m...

As the bridge clearly has a split level deck, could one be 15ft and the other part 4.7m and someone has made a bit of a boo-boo when making the sign...? I think someone needs an urgent trip out with a measuring stick!!

As noted on the other low bridge thread (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6748.msg200796#msg200796), the skew of the bridge (over 45o) and the gradient on the road (about 1 in 15) are enough, combined with the width of the road, to give the downhill side more height. The carriageways are about 7.5 m wide, so the difference is roughly 0.5 m. That is enough on its own, but there are several other factors involved - railway gradient, bridge construction, ground slope across the road, and of course the uncertainty about which height is the right one. So that's a definite maybe.

The shape of the bridge is odd - with that "spine" of two girders that are a lot lower than the bridge to either side. That means the soffits are much higher above the road than the spine, which is tucked away under the bridge and so less visible. But do HGV drivers really rely on judging by eye whether to ignore the signs? Not if they want a long-term job, I'd have thought.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 27, 2017, 16:09:57
I do wonder if the two recent strikes of this bridge in Plymouth relate to the recent resurfacing. I don't recall anything hitting it prior to the resurfacing, now we've had 3 in 3 months.

Did they really add that much extra thickness to the surface? I would expect a road like that would've been planed down and then a fresh top dressing added to return to the original surface height.

Estimating from the photos, it looks like a good 10-15cm overlap (which incidentally,is the difference between this bridge's clearance of 4.7m and the tallest HGV trailers currently in use in the UK at 4.9m (I would guess that the trailer seen in today's photos is one of those as it looks very tall)

After stuvings post I had a look at google maps again. Coming from one direction there are no visible clearance signs on the structure of the bridge. From the other way (the direction that this latest unfortunate lorry approached from) the signs say 15'0" and 4.7m...

As the bridge clearly has a split level deck, could one be 15ft and the other part 4.7m and someone has made a bit of a boo-boo when making the sign...? I think someone needs an urgent trip out with a measuring stick!!

The road is at an angle. The left lane heading into the city centre has considerably less clearance than the left lane outbound direction. There is even noticeable difference between the left and right lane inbound.
I was taking bus photos from the adjacent foot bridge on Monday. I will check when I'm on a better device than my phone if any show clearly the steep angle of the road.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 18, 2017, 19:29:37
Another incident, reported by ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2017-09-13/oh-fork-my-truck-is-stuck/):

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Stuck truck delays rush hour commuters

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1388861/stream_img.jpg)
The lorry became wedged under a railway bridge during rush hour.

The lorry driver, carrying a fork hoist, brought trains in Romiley, Stockport, to a standstill after he got it wedged under a railway bridge.

The ‘avoidable gaffe’ resulted rush-hour delays to motorists and train users as police and Network Rail officials were called to Compstall Road at around 8.55am today.

They were acting on reports of a vehicle stuck under the bridge at Romiley Station, and trains between Romiley and Manchester were immediately stopped as a Network Rail engineer rushed to the scene. Once he confirmed the bridge had not been damaged, trains were resumed at 9.30am.

The incident caused delays of 37 minutes, plus knock-on delays as the network recovered after the line was declared safe and reopened. Thankfully no one was injured.

A spokesman for Network Rail said: “This kind of avoidable gaffe delays motorists and train customers. There are also potentially very serious safety consequences. “We’d urge drivers of all high vehicles to know for sure, rather than to hope, that their lorry or truck can fit under our bridges. “Transporting a forklift is even more reason to check your height before you drive.”




Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 18, 2017, 12:59:25
Bridge strike aficionados may be entertained by http://11foot8.com/ - a website devoted to a bridge in the USA which...

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...has earned a reputation for its unrelenting enforcement of the laws of physics


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 18, 2017, 17:01:00
And this one, which gets really interesting at 2:20.
https://youtu.be/V3-UugI0JoA


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 18, 2017, 17:04:23
One thing noticeable about both those USAnian videos is the behaviour of other drivers; they all just drive on or turn around, not one of them checks on the occupants of the crashed trucks.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 26, 2017, 12:02:43
Latest campaign by NR: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/oversized-lorries-hit-rail-bridges-five-times-day-causing-misery-hundreds-thousands-reveals-new-campaign/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 26, 2017, 15:56:58
Latest campaign by NR: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/oversized-lorries-hit-rail-bridges-five-times-day-causing-misery-hundreds-thousands-reveals-new-campaign/

In a time when satnav and mapping technology is so advanced, it beggars belief that this sort of thing still happens. Especially when almost every other aspect of driving a lorry is so heavily regulated.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on October 26, 2017, 16:35:29
Lorry drivers tend to use SatNavs made for use in cars - the freight SatNavs are apparently a lot dearer....


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 26, 2017, 16:47:17
In which case, I suggest an entry level fixed penalty for bridge hitters. Say £13,500?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 26, 2017, 17:33:34
I overheard a bit of one of those phone-in radio programmes this afternoon, in which a lorry driver said he used a car satnav because, at £500, the lorry ones were too expensive. I think FT,N's £13.5K is too lenient!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 26, 2017, 18:26:23
Whatever your satnav says, it is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for ignoring clear, simple road signs or not knowing the overall height of your vehicle.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 26, 2017, 20:17:03
Curious that bridge strikes reach a peak of double the average frequency at the end of October. Could it be to do with the clocks going back? But that only leaves a couple of days in October. Weather? Again, you'd expect more of an effect in November, and greater year to year variation. Something to do with firms stocking up for Christmas, leading to more lorry movements, greater time pressure and possibly more new, inexperienced drivers? October seems a bit early. Any other ideas?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on October 26, 2017, 20:35:23
...  inexperienced drivers ...  Any other ideas?

Half term.  Lots of drivers of smaller lorries stepped up to bigger lorries to cover for a very high proportion of the workforce on leave, and a need to keep maximum tonnage rolling.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: trainer on October 26, 2017, 20:56:19
My normally very reliable sat-nav has tried to take me into roads clearly not wide enough for a car and onto tram tracks in Nottingham.  The onus is always on the driver to know the law regarding their vehicle, to read road signs and use the best driving aid available: i.e. the brain.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 26, 2017, 21:25:52
The onus is always on the driver to know the law regarding their vehicle, to read road signs and use the best driving aid available: i.e. the brain.

We're still waiting for the Mk 2


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 26, 2017, 23:33:32
When I'm out and about driving my van, the satnav element (brand name 'Co-Pilot') of my PDA consistently tries to send me up (or down) Strawberry Lane, between Bishopsworth and Dundry.  Its whole schedule is based upon that being the 'best available route'.

Strawberry Lane (the name is a clue!) is a probably very ancient public right of way - but the fact of the matter is, it is a pathway, unsuitable even for scrambler bikes, never mind cars or Mercedes Sprinter vans.

Their software is clearly not fit for purpose.

 ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 26, 2017, 23:49:25
When I'm out and about driving my van, the satnav element (brand name 'Co-Pilot') of my PDA consistently tries to send me up (or down) Strawberry Lane, between Bishopsworth and Dundry.  Its whole schedule is based upon that being the 'best available route'.

Strawberry Lane (the name is a clue!) is a probably very ancient public right of way - but the fact of the matter is, it is a pathway, unsuitable even for scrambler bikes, never mind cars or Mercedes Sprinter vans.

Their software is clearly not fit for purpose.

 ::)

It’s not just ours then!
Ours are set to the van dimensions (also sprinters, 8’10 mirror edge to mirror edge).
Today it wanted to send me through a 6’0 width restriction! It’s also tried sending me down a bridle way on more than one occasion, across fields and regularly suggesting U turns on dual carriageways!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 27, 2017, 00:14:48
I have also been instructed by my satnav to do a U-turn on Clift House Road, in Ashton, Bristol, many times.  Problem is, it's a dual carriageway, with a very robust concrete central reservation.  ::)

However, I do get my own back on my 'Co-Pilot', by deliberately driving on the relatively new South Bristol Link road.  That really confuses the hell out of the satnav software.  The screen refreshes constantly, clearly desperately trying to work out where I am.  ;D



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 27, 2017, 02:27:23
I have also been instructed by my satnav to do a U-turn on Clift House Road, in Ashton, Bristol, many times.  Problem is, it's a dual carriageway, with a very robust concrete central reservation.  ::)

However, I do get my own back on my 'Co-Pilot', by deliberately driving on the relatively new South Bristol Link road.  That really confuses the hell out of the satnav software.  The screen refreshes constantly, clearly desperately trying to work out where I am.  ;D


Conversely, Google Maps, which I use for navigation, tried to direct me down a road in Axminster which hasn't opened yet.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on October 27, 2017, 10:43:36
All our road authorities provide updated roads data to the official National Street Gazetteer, which is not published nor open data; you need to buy a license to use it. This is what the mapping and satnav providers have to use (I assume the major ones do), but as it's not public I can't say what detail it includes about (for example) whether you can do a U-turn and in which size of van.

When Wokingham station level crossing got its new traffic lights, a new one-way system was added as well. That meant new roads signs were needed for many of the town's junctions; not just because of newly-banned directions and turns, but also for high-sided vehicles avoiding the low bridges. Having noticed some of these new signs were wrong, I went round the town and found every newly changed sign was wrong in some way.

In most cases this was minor, down to not understanding the use of braces around road numbers, but a few had serious practical implications. I contacted the council, and was told they "might" review and revise them (nothing has happened since) but in one case they dashed out and put up new signs within a week. That was for new signs before the Market Square junction, where trucks avoiding the low bridge on the southbound A321 must turn right so they can cross the level crossing instead. Following the old signs, they would turn right just before the first low bridge (at the Carnival Pool) and then need to turn left at the crossing, a turn not not only now banned but geometrically impossible for an artic.

I tried to persuade them to look at the signs as someone using an out-of-date satnav, and add any destinations or road numbers that they would need. They reckoned that it would only take about six months for commercial drivers to get the changes, and not much longer for anyone else who was relying on one. I wasn't convinced.

You still see lots of drivers disobeying the signs and even the traffic lights - but they are locals who think the rules don't apply to them because it would be inconvenient if they did.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 27, 2017, 11:05:44
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They reckoned that it would only take about six months for commercial drivers to get the changes

6 months for Regular visitors to town presumably to get the changes?

One particular town on my patch I’ve only visited once in the last 6 months. It happens to be a town with very narrow streets and tight turns. They’re suggesting I should get the town by now? No chance!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on October 27, 2017, 11:35:56
All our road authorities provide updated roads data to the official National Street Gazetteer, which is not published nor open data; you need to buy a license to use it. 

Stuving describes it well. The ever-useful Wikipedia says:

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The National Street Gazetteer is a public database that is kept private

If I could spell 'oxymoron', I'd look that up too  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on October 27, 2017, 11:52:38
All our road authorities provide updated roads data to the official National Street Gazetteer, which is not published nor open data; you need to buy a license to use it. 

Stuving describes it well. The ever-useful Wikipedia says:

Quote
The National Street Gazetteer is a public database that is kept private

If I could spell 'oxymoron', I'd look that up too  ;D

I think that suggests something that is not and never was true. A great deal of material that was both public and published was previously only available if you paid for it; that's what HMSO was there to produce. OS mapping for commercial use needs a paid-for license, and the NSG is the same. It may be reclassified as open data (as the Environment Agency's measurements were, for example) or it may not.

Open data is usually justified* because the data are generated anyway for other purposes. OS does mapping as its mainstream activity, for which it charges. The LTAs don't, but they need all the money they can find. And NSG (if it exists as a thing in itself) is like OS. Hence maybe.

*PS: I mean within government, as a reason for actually doing it. There are broader arguments, "political" in both partisan and non-partisan senses, about the desirability of open data.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 27, 2017, 12:10:33
My normally very reliable sat-nav has tried to take me into roads clearly not wide enough for a car and onto tram tracks in Nottingham.  The onus is always on the driver to know the law regarding their vehicle, to read road signs and use the best driving aid available: i.e. the brain.

Mine is also usually reliable (sat-nav that is, not brain) apart from a few omisssions, usually new roads. But coming home from Devon to Bristol, it advises me to turn right from Parsonage Hill onto the A361.

I estimate the drop from the bridge to be about 20 metres.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: rower40 on October 27, 2017, 13:08:07
Stuving describes it well. The ever-useful Wikipedia says:
Quote
The National Street Gazetteer is a public database that is kept private
If I could spell 'oxymoron', I'd look that up too  ;D

Off-onna-tangent:
cf. the difference between public and private schools!  And between public schools here, and those in USAnia.
"Our" public schools were so-named to differentiate them from schools run by guilds, which were only open to sons of guild members.  Anyone could go to a public school, as long as the bills got paid.
American Public schools are paid for by the public purse.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 27, 2017, 21:01:26
I'd imagine the problem is mapping rather than software. Richard Fairhurst is probably the person who knows most about this.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 27, 2017, 23:16:58
Conversely, Google Maps, which I use for navigation, tried to direct me down a road in Axminster which hasn't opened yet.

As a pedestrian I am happy to follow Google Maps suggestiuons during daylight hours. However on a few occasions after sunset it has suggested that I take a shortcut through unlit parks or fields which, not knowing the areas, I am not happy to do. I wonder if the software could suggest different routes after nightfall.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on November 11, 2017, 01:10:35
Old Oak Common Lane, London. Should've gone to... you know the rest.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2i7q0s5.jpg)

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/london-bus-with-specsavers-advert-loses-its-roof-in-a-crash-7070007/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 11, 2017, 09:19:08
Old Oak Common Lane, London. Should've gone to... you know the rest.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/london-bus-with-specsavers-advert-loses-its-roof-in-a-crash-7070007/

I see a GWR hi vis in the last picture. Was the railway affected by this? I presume it's very close to the depot.
Also in that last picture is a very large and prominent "LOW BRIDGE" sign. Presumably if the bus was being driven by a learner, the instructor will also have a lot of questions to answer


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 11, 2017, 10:20:19
Old Oak Common Lane, London. Should've gone to... you know the rest.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/london-bus-with-specsavers-advert-loses-its-roof-in-a-crash-7070007/

I see a GWR hi vis in the last picture. Was the railway affected by this? I presume it's very close to the depot.
Also in that last picture is a very large and prominent "LOW BRIDGE" sign. Presumably if the bus was being driven by a learner, the instructor will also have a lot of questions to answer
Thats the bridge on the line to Park Royal and Greenford.  Not likely to cause much railway disruption.  You can see the main line bridge in the background of the photographs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on November 12, 2017, 10:04:49
Another possible source of heights is OS MasterMap Highways which lists Height and Width under Routing and Asset Management:
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/os-mastermap-highways-network-products.html
This is basically what the NLPG feeds. Once again not easily available, unless you are a member of the PSMA (Public Sector Mapping Agreement) which includes Parish and Town Councils.
I personally don't use it in my work, too accurate for what I need (1:10,000 is sufficient, c.1:500 is to accurate and too much data to slow down the system).


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on November 12, 2017, 11:25:13
One thing noticeable about both those USAnian videos is the behaviour of other drivers; they all just drive on or turn around, not one of them checks on the occupants of the crashed trucks.

Perhaps they do not want to interfere with Darwinian selection ?
A million years ago, early humans who could not outwit or outrun dangerous predators got eaten.
There are far fewer dangerous predators these days, so Darwinian selection now weeds out those unable to read/understand/act upon height warning notices.
Stopping to offer medical assistance would upset this delicate natural balance :)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on February 01, 2018, 20:16:31
After a bit of a lull, today was one to really annoy Network Rai (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/bridge-crash-lorry-driver-stupidity-has-got-to-stop#)l:
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(https://cdn.prgloo.com/media/8b5cc7da2c7249858fd0b566022c07fd.jpg?width=1035&height=960)
'Irresponsible' bridge-bash stupidity has got to stop

Route:    London North Western

Network Rail today called for an end to the entirely avoidable stupidity of lorry drivers who crash into bridges because they don’t know the height of their vehicles.

The impassioned plea came after two ‘bridge strike’ incidents in the West Midlands yesterday (31 Jan) and two today in Cumbria and West London, all of which caused hours of delays to train customers and motorists.

In the first incident in the West Midlands, shortly after midday yesterday, the lorry driver was lucky to escape unscathed after he smashed into the bridge on Summer Road in Erdington, Birmingham, before overturning. This despite clear signs showing the bridge's height.

Trains on the Cross City Line north, between Birmingham New Street and Lichfield, Staffordshire, were disrupted for hours and local roads well into the evening.

Trains on the route were further impacted when another lorry crashed into railway bridge on St John’s Street, Lichfield, just after 5.30pm. This bridge was struck 13 times in 2016/17.

Today, two separate incidents in Langwathby, Cumbria, and West Ruislip, London, caused further unnecessary delays to passengers and motorists while Network Rail investigated for any damage before fully reopening the lines.

Mark Killick, chief operating officer for Network Rail's London North Western route, said: “There’s no excuse for this. Lorry drivers should know their vehicle's height and width - not guess and hope for the best.

"Despite being very clearly marked, these bridges were driven into by irresponsible drivers causing unnecessary disruption to railway and road-users. We will be doing all we can to reclaim the costs we incurred from the haulage companies responsible.”

When a lorry ‘bridge strike’ occurs, Network Rail’s structural engineers always need to check the bridge is safe before train services can resume.

The latest bridge strikes come despite Network Rail’s recently launched ‘What the Truck’ campaign, aimed at getting lorry drivers to know their vehicles’ heights and choose road routes accordingly.

For more information on bridge strikes visit https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/looking-after-the-railway/bridges-tunnels-viaducts/risk-bridge-strikes/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Witham Bobby on February 12, 2018, 17:41:16
Apparently, the Good Burghers of Broadway in Worcestershire have got very het-up about the old A44 main road through the village having to be closed by the GWSR to effect repairs after bridge strikes, that they've tried to stick their oar in to prevent the running of a shuttle bus service between the station and the centre of the village.  Idiots.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on July 18, 2018, 00:36:46
You may not have noticed that there were no trains on the District line into Richmond tonight, unless you happened to be there. Mortlake Road was closed all evening too, and this is why.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on July 18, 2018, 00:49:32
Might need a cherry picker to inspect the bridge deck.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 13, 2018, 14:10:37
Oh dear...

https://twitter.com/angleseycouncil/status/1050668694907453440?s=20

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1925/45246935622_58da5013d0_c.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1955/45296431781_b70040e91e_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 13, 2018, 19:32:42
Reading the twitter thread, I suppose it was inevitable that someone would attempt to prove some sort of racist point by claiming that the Polish driver didn't speak any English... however, the driver may have found it confusing that the bridge clearance sign (a mandatory red circle) gave the height in US Customary units only. Isn't it rather shocking that in 2018 we still have signs in shillings and pebbles?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 13, 2018, 20:16:20
Never mind English - what's the Polish for "Ildiwch i gerbydau s'yn dod atoch"? As Red Squirrel says, though, having the height sign in fahrenheit groats might not have helped.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on October 13, 2018, 20:23:15
Reading the twitter thread, I suppose it was inevitable that someone would attempt to prove some sort of racist point by claiming that the Polish driver didn't speak any English... however, the driver may have found it confusing that the bridge clearance sign (a mandatory red circle) gave the height in US Customary units only. Isn't it rather shocking that in 2018 we still have signs in shillings and pebbles?

That certainly doesn't help, but you'd expect anyone sending a vehicle to Britain to provide the necessary conversion for the vehicle height. But that probably would not have made any difference - the vehicle was heading south towards the A55, and made it under the bridge. It was the load, presumably picked up locally, the was overheight. So who loaded it and measured its height? A wrong height entered into a Satnav that was itself working fine looks a more likely explanation.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 13, 2018, 20:26:51
Gamoń! As distinct from gammon. A right multilingual fowl up there, with Polish truck and driver, French sign (on lorry), Welsh and English. But could (perhaps) all have been alright with different digits.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 13, 2018, 20:31:07
I expect the poor Polish chap will ultimately have to carry the can, although the insurance claim will be a lawyer's delight. It was hardly a glancing blow.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on October 13, 2018, 21:37:00
Isn't it rather shocking that in 2018 we still have signs in shillings and pebbles?

I don't think it is shocking at all - more like common sense, as "shillings and pebbles" are much more sensible units.  ;) Both the meter and the kilogramme are too big for many purposes. Many years ago there was an attempt to get the aviation industry to use the meter as the unit of aircraft altitude - this was roundly rejected by the aviation industry as being too coarse. The metrication zealots went away saying that would be back with a suitable metric unit - we are still waiting for that one !!
I spent some time in Paris when my aunt lived there and can clearly remember the "livre" (pound/half a kilo) being widely used for foodstuff.
There was an item on the Today programme only last week about how widely used feet, inches and stones, lbs and oz still are - even by people who have only been taught the metric system during their school time.
Indeed, I have in front of me as I type, a birth announcement card from my No2 daughter announcing the arrival of a 7lb 10oz girl !


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on October 13, 2018, 21:57:41
Reading the twitter thread, I suppose it was inevitable that someone would attempt to prove some sort of racist point by claiming that the Polish driver didn't speak any English... however, the driver may have found it confusing that the bridge clearance sign (a mandatory red circle) gave the height in US Customary units only. Isn't it rather shocking that in 2018 we still have signs in shillings and pebbles?

I am quite happy for people to buy their shopping in pounds and ounces, but to only have key information like bridge heights in feet and inches looks like stupidity. Not only are foreign drivers unfamiliar with such units, but so our many of our own young generations.

Also don't ask me to do any engineering design in such antiquated units.  However I am quite happy to read a metric drawing and pass the information to the person doing the work in ft and inches if they wish. Did it so much in my early career that I can do common sizes from memory.

The worst case I have come across recently was an American textbook that used a mixture of litres, cubic feet per second, gallons (US) per hour on the same page. How they make anything that works is a miracle! The few high profile mistake must be the tip of the iceberg!       





Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: didcotdean on October 13, 2018, 22:23:42
Altitude in aviation is specified in the ICAO documents to be in metres, but these also recognise this isn't the current de facto situation and hence allows feet until an agreed changeover date can be agreed. This has never been set, and don't expect it to be any time soon if ever, mainly because of safety concerns the transition might cause. China and North Korea do presently use metres, Russia did until a few years ago, and for that matter so did continental Europe prior to the Second World War.

There is a similar difference in specification of wind speeds, specified as meters per second rather than knots, and atmospheric pressure in hectopascals rather than mmHg. Nearly all countries have transitioned on the latter though.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 14, 2018, 00:05:56
Both the meter and the kilogramme are too big for many purposes.

Makes you wonder how the vast majority of people on the planet cope, doesn't it

I don't normally make a big thing of spellings - with two dyslexic children, it doesn't do - but I feel the need to point out that here in Europe we have metres, not meters.  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 14, 2018, 08:58:03
As an inch is defined as 25.4 millimetres exactly, the length of the foot is defined by size of the metre - which used to be that object kept in Paris!

So it's a kind of metric measure :D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: martyjon on October 14, 2018, 09:14:06
Both the meter and the kilogramme are too big for many purposes.

Makes you wonder how the vast majority of people on the planet cope, doesn't it

I don't normally make a big thing of spellings - with two dyslexic children, it doesn't do - but I feel the need to point out that here in Europe we have metres, not meters.  ;D


Electricity meters, Gas meters, come off it, Water metres too, I got all three to look at.  :P :P :P :P 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on October 14, 2018, 11:32:05

I don't normally make a big thing of spellings - with two dyslexic children, it doesn't do - but I feel the need to point out that here in Europe we have metres, not meters.  ;D

Here in Great Britain we have the freedom to spell it either way............. ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 14, 2018, 11:53:19

I don't normally make a big thing of spellings - with two dyslexic children, it doesn't do - but I feel the need to point out that here in Europe we have metres, not meters.  ;D

Here in Great Britain we have the freedom to spell it either way............. ;D

Here in, erm, Britain, we have the freedom to spell it pürqq if we wish, but the correct spelling in British English (and indeed in most non-US variants of English) is metre.

Most people can presumably distinguish between a meter (a measuring device) and a metre (a unit of measurement). Logically this should follow through into the pronunciation, though more people seem to struggle with this (and it is fruitless not to accept that language should be described, not prescribed): generally speaking for measuring devices, we stress the middle syllable (e.g. therm-omitter) whereas in units we give all syllables equal stress (e.g. killermetre). Kill-omitter only makes sense if you follow through and talk of mill-imitters and kill-ogrumms - but the idiomatic form seems to be winning through; there's no logic in these things.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightonedee on October 14, 2018, 11:56:36
Quote
Never mind English - what's the Polish for "Ildiwch i gerbydau s'yn dod atoch"? As Red Squirrel says, though, having the height sign in fahrenheit groats might not have helped.

Isn't that Welsh for "Please check your mirrors after passing to ensure you have not displaced the disused railway bridge"  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 14, 2018, 15:56:34
As an inch is defined as 25.4 millimetres exactly, the length of the foot is defined by size of the metre - which used to be that object kept in Paris!

So it's a kind of metric measure :D

By the same logic whiskey, being made from grain, is practically muesli.

Wasn't the original idea of the metre supposed to be 1/10,000,000th of the distance between the north pole and the equator? It was from that, and the realisation that it wasn't easy for any Tom Dick or Henri to measure that the platinum rod was used as the standard.

The nautical mile, being the distance between two minutes of a degree of longitude, has at least some basis of relationship with the natural world. The statute mile is as arbitrary as Fahrenheit.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on October 14, 2018, 16:30:48
[By the same logic whiskey, being made from grain, is practically muesli.

That must be true, because you never put ice in muesli.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on October 15, 2018, 07:15:45
Height signs can be in imperial and metric units see Diagram 629.2A of the current Regulations http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/2/part/4/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/2/part/4/made). This does suppose that there is a budget to replace signs, cost of sign v cost of disruption?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 15, 2018, 10:10:24
As an inch is defined as 25.4 millimetres exactly, the length of the foot is defined by size of the metre - which used to be that object kept in Paris!

So it's a kind of metric measure :D

By the same logic whiskey, being made from grain, is practically muesli.
I shall think about that at breakfast tomorrow morning.  :o


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 15, 2018, 10:19:17
In fact, if Bertolt Brecht had lived in London this decade rather than Berlin of the 1920s, I'm sure he'd have written "Show me the way to the next muesli bar."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 15, 2018, 10:24:56
Height signs can be in imperial and metric units see Diagram 629.2A of the current Regulations http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/2/part/4/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/2/part/4/made). This does suppose that there is a budget to replace signs, cost of sign v cost of disruption?

Yes; and - not or. The wording does not allow for a choice of units; "...height indicated in both metric and imperial units" means both units must be shown, and implies metric first. Quirkily, Diagram 531.1A (the advance warning sign) is less clear on this.

Signs are pretty cheap compared with the cost of disruption. The whole of Bristol was signposted for 20mph speed limits for less than the cost of a single road fatality.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on October 15, 2018, 11:48:43
From the Daily Post (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/anglesey-road-re-opens-following-15280204):

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A busy road has been re-opened four days after a lorry hit a railway bridge and got stuck underneath.

Two huge cranes had to be brought in on Sunday to free the trapped truck from Ffordd Glanhwfa in Llangefni following the accident which happened on Thursday.

The bridge also had to be removed due to the level of damage caused.

The 100-tonne capacity cranes arrived at the scene at around 10am yesterday and the whole operation took over four hours to complete.

Anglesey Council announced that the road had re-opened this morning.

Martin Davies, from crane and specialist lifting company, Bob Francis Crane Hire had told how they planned to lift the bridge off the lorry as the structure had been so badly damaged by the impact.

And what about re-opening the railway  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 15, 2018, 11:55:34
Not the beefiest bridge in the world, was it? https://goo.gl/maps/z29j4vbkysT2


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 15, 2018, 19:34:36
Not the beefiest bridge in the world, was it? https://goo.gl/maps/z29j4vbkysT2

No, for sure, and it's been polished off now. The line was supposedly mothballed, but the moths don't seem to have noticed.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on October 15, 2018, 21:56:38
[By the same logic whiskey, being made from grain, is practically muesli.

That must be true, because you never put ice in muesli.

Oh don't - you'll set off the honourable member for Nailsea all over again....

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15842.msg177699#msg177699 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15842.msg177699#msg177699)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on October 20, 2018, 02:52:37
The potential re-opening of the line on Anglesey is covered at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5625.0 and I have added a quote / link on that thread to update it in consideration of the bridge strike and way that has effected the situation.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: patch38 on October 24, 2018, 13:52:14
Anyone want a cheap Range Rover? A bit of filler and nobody would ever know...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45964816 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45964816)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 24, 2018, 16:58:00
Oh dear!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 07, 2018, 20:55:42
(https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/article2302992.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/2_WhatsApp-Image-2018-12-07-at-122536-1jpeg.jpg)
Full marks for an appropriate slogan...
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/live-lorry-slogan-more-sky-2302981


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 08, 2018, 13:06:44
Lorry drivers before setting from depos should measure the lorry they take before going down a route with bridges on.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on January 07, 2019, 17:23:36
No need to measure the vehicle height, they need to simply read and understand the notice exhibited by law in all HGV cabs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Dispatch Box on January 08, 2019, 18:58:55
No need to measure the vehicle height, they need to simply read and understand the notice exhibited by law in all HGV cabs.

Seems like that this driver did not, and had a bill from NR.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: plymothian on January 08, 2019, 20:30:39
The up line just before Ivybridge is currently closed due to a vehicle demolishing part of a bridge.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on January 08, 2019, 20:39:01
Fardel Bridge near Ivybridge. 236m 56.25ch MLN

https://goo.gl/maps/X5MZHZzLZW62

That's the down side of the bridge. The up side was the one struck.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 08, 2019, 21:10:47
BNM's given us a Cure fan's view. Here's the view of an approaching vehicle: https://goo.gl/maps/3CH1H2FNvgA2

Once again the height plate gives the headroom in some sort of mediaeval unit with which I am unfamiliar, but at a guess it's around 4m. Googling up and down the road, I can't find any advance warning beyond a 7.5t weight limit which doesn't suggest a height restriction; maybe someone more familiar with the area can set me straight on that. The overhanging vegetation puts the tin hat on it - I think the driver may have been bowled a googly here!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 08, 2019, 22:15:28
BNM's given us a Cure fan's view. Here's the view of an approaching vehicle: https://goo.gl/maps/3CH1H2FNvgA2

Once again the height plate gives the headroom in some sort of mediaeval unit with which I am unfamiliar, but at a guess it's around 4m. Googling up and down the road, I can't find any advance warning beyond a 7.5t weight limit which doesn't suggest a height restriction; maybe someone more familiar with the area can set me straight on that. The overhanging vegetation puts the tin hat on it - I think the driver may have been bowled a googly here!

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on January 08, 2019, 22:27:44
Fardel Bridge near Ivybridge. 236m 56.25ch MLN

https://goo.gl/maps/X5MZHZzLZW62

That's the down side of the bridge. The up side was the one struck.

When you say the up side, do you mean the side that is 12 ft above ground as opposed to the side in your picture that is 0ft above ground?  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on January 08, 2019, 22:30:55
BNM's given us a Cure fan's view. Here's the view of an approaching vehicle: https://goo.gl/maps/3CH1H2FNvgA2

Once again the height plate gives the headroom in some sort of mediaeval unit with which I am unfamiliar, but at a guess it's around 4m. Googling up and down the road, I can't find any advance warning beyond a 7.5t weight limit which doesn't suggest a height restriction; maybe someone more familiar with the area can set me straight on that. The overhanging vegetation puts the tin hat on it - I think the driver may have been bowled a googly here!

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.

Just out of interest, how close to the bridge do you need to be to be able to read those signs?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 08, 2019, 22:44:20
12 feet is 3.65m, so a little lower than most HGVs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 08, 2019, 22:45:19
No need to measure the vehicle height, they need to simply read and understand the notice exhibited by law in all HGV cabs.
Although that doesn't work in the case of a load – or trailer – higher than the cab.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 08, 2019, 23:06:18

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.

Well did she, thought? I can see the 12 shilling sign at the bridge - prominently displayed behind the branch of a tree - but I couldn't see any others when I googled up and down the lane...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 09, 2019, 00:06:12
BNM's given us a Cure fan's view. Here's the view of an approaching vehicle: https://goo.gl/maps/3CH1H2FNvgA2

Once again the height plate gives the headroom in some sort of mediaeval unit with which I am unfamiliar, but at a guess it's around 4m. Googling up and down the road, I can't find any advance warning beyond a 7.5t weight limit which doesn't suggest a height restriction; maybe someone more familiar with the area can set me straight on that. The overhanging vegetation puts the tin hat on it - I think the driver may have been bowled a googly here!

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.

Just out of interest, how close to the bridge do you need to be to be able to read those signs?

I've never managed to find any clear rules mandating where signs must be present, just the manual that prescribes what they are look like. So the size and content (with alternatives) of the sign and chord marker on the arch are set out, but with these words:
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Mandatory signs are not used at arch bridges, as the main risk to these comes from vehicles which, although low enough to pass through the central part of the arch, might strike the curved shoulder of the structure.
Those "mandatory signs" must be the ones with just the headroom in a triangle.

What the manual says "should" be provided is enough advance signage, including routes avoiding, to fit with that principle that the markings on the bridge are not there to keep totally overheight vehicles from hitting it.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: welshman on January 09, 2019, 09:03:49
One solution is the height scanning beam approaching the bridge under the railway at Pontrilas on the A465 between Abergavenny and Hereford.    Overheight vehicles travelling towards Hereford get a big warning sign.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Adelante_CCT on January 09, 2019, 10:24:14
We have those on the approach to the Cow Lane bridges in Reading, doesn't do any good!

Also didn't help for a few weeks a couple of years ago when one of the sensors near to Tesco had been knocked down but was still functioning, meaning every vehicle that went passed triggered the sign


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 09, 2019, 10:27:12
I've never managed to find any clear rules mandating where signs must be present, just the manual that prescribes what they are look like. So the size and content (with alternatives) of the sign and chord marker on the arch are set out, but with these words:
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Mandatory signs are not used at arch bridges, as the main risk to these comes from vehicles which, although low enough to pass through the central part of the arch, might strike the curved shoulder of the structure.
Those "mandatory signs" must be the ones with just the headroom in a triangle.

What the manual says "should" be provided is enough advance signage, including routes avoiding, to fit with that principle that the markings on the bridge are not there to keep totally overheight vehicles from hitting it.
I think "mandatory signs" refers to the ones in a red circle which mandate the prohibition – the red triangle signs are merely a warning.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 09, 2019, 15:50:47
I've never managed to find any clear rules mandating where signs must be present, just the manual that prescribes what they are look like. So the size and content (with alternatives) of the sign and chord marker on the arch are set out, but with these words:
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Mandatory signs are not used at arch bridges, as the main risk to these comes from vehicles which, although low enough to pass through the central part of the arch, might strike the curved shoulder of the structure.
Those "mandatory signs" must be the ones with just the headroom in a triangle.

What the manual says "should" be provided is enough advance signage, including routes avoiding, to fit with that principle that the markings on the bridge are not there to keep totally overheight vehicles from hitting it.

I think "mandatory signs" refers to the ones in a red circle which mandate the prohibition – the red triangle signs are merely a warning.

You're right - I was thinking about the other meaning of "mandatory", as that was the subject of that post.

In fact there's a load of stuff about the (round) advance mandatory signs and how they should not be put where a vehicle might need to pass for access to somewhere not via the bridge, since the prohibition has legal force. That's one of the reasons for using the blue information signs, where the embedded mandatory sign provides advance warning that there is a maximum height but isn't a mandatory height limit itself.

While I can see the point of the bit I quoted above, about signage at the bridge guiding vehicles as a priority, I fail to see why the advance sign containing the maximum height for passage under the top of the arch isn't mandatory.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 09, 2019, 23:19:16
Presumably the advance sign has to reflect the signage at the actual point. To be, in effect, a "repeater" of the sign not of the obstacle.

Some arch bridges have three height limit signs – one for the central portion of the arch and one for each side. I guess it has to be a reasonably wide arch for there to be point in that, but it seems to me that perhaps the current way of signing arch bridges is not entirely satisfactory. It's the shoulders that are the main problem, I think, because high vehicles tend to also be wide.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on January 09, 2019, 23:32:21
Presumably the advance sign has to reflect the signage at the actual point. To be, in effect, a "repeater" of the sign not of the obstacle.

Some arch bridges have three height limit signs – one for the central portion of the arch and one for each side. I guess it has to be a reasonably wide arch for there to be point in that, but it seems to me that perhaps the current way of signing arch bridges is not entirely satisfactory. It's the shoulders that are the main problem, I think, because high vehicles tend to also be wide.

I think you need to read the manual (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/226765/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-04.pdf) to judge - there is more to it. For one thing, the central (or only) chord is at least 3 m wide.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 10, 2019, 05:14:21

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.

Well did she, thought? I can see the 12 shilling sign at the bridge - prominently displayed behind the branch of a tree - but I couldn't see any others when I googled up and down the lane...

The sign is at the start of the lane, in the village next to the pub. It’s a couple of miles from the bridge, but the lane is continuous with no other roads joining. That’s where any advanced warning would be, it’s too late half way down a narrow lane.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 10, 2019, 08:30:06
Aha, that's what I was hoping for - thank you, LiskeardRich.

Can we all agree that it would be helpful if these signs had to also gave the height in metres? Which units are used on the in-cab signs other posters have mentioned?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on January 10, 2019, 09:12:31

He came past a 12ft triangle height sign. only in imperial.

Well did she, thought? I can see the 12 shilling sign at the bridge - prominently displayed behind the branch of a tree - but I couldn't see any others when I googled up and down the lane...

The sign is at the start of the lane, in the village next to the pub. It’s a couple of miles from the bridge, but the lane is continuous with no other roads joining. That’s where any advanced warning would be, it’s too late half way down a narrow lane.

I think it has to be said that the "warning" sign does not do its job particularly well. The sign appears to be placed in the middle of a "Y" junction - which leg of the "Y" does it refer to ? It is not a particularly large sign (to keep the locals happy ?), there appears to be both a shop and a pub close by. It would not take much in the way of distraction from other traffic or pedestrians for a passing driver to miss the sign completely.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 10, 2019, 12:13:51
Aha, that's what I was hoping for - thank you, LiskeardRich.

Can we all agree that it would be helpful if these signs had to also gave the height in metres? Which units are used on the in-cab signs other posters have mentioned?


Having driven both LGVs and buses, I believe the cab signs have been in both metric and imperial in everything I’ve driven. Although I can recall the feet and inches sizes of vehicles I drove 12 months ago I can’t remember the metric! The last vehicle I drove yesterday was 14’6 for example.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 10, 2019, 12:28:03
I'm struggling to find chapter and verse on this, but it looks like by law the in-cab height indicator has to be in feet and inches - though it's not illegal to use post-Victorian units as well if you wish to. Very bizarre. Do lorry drivers have to pay their road tax in guineas?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Adrian on January 10, 2019, 20:59:18
One solution is the height scanning beam approaching the bridge under the railway at Pontrilas on the A465 between Abergavenny and Hereford.    Overheight vehicles travelling towards Hereford get a big warning sign.

And despite of that, it still gets hit.  Just last week, I think.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Dispatch Box on January 10, 2019, 21:56:07
One solution is the height scanning beam approaching the bridge under the railway at Pontrilas on the A465 between Abergavenny and Hereford.    Overheight vehicles travelling towards Hereford get a big warning sign.

And despite of that, it still gets hit.  Just last week, I think.

I wonder every day how many bridges suffer careless drivers?.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 11, 2019, 17:34:21
A lorry has hit Whitby Road bridge (this one: https://goo.gl/maps/7ENUhHcdV1k) this afternoon (11 Jan 2019). You can read all about it here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/heavy-traffic-building-lorry-gets-2420746

There are warning signs on the approaches to this bridge - though there is a lack of consistency; approaching from the east you'd see this sign: https://goo.gl/maps/CkX1FmunWez (you might want to bring your hedge trimmers). though as you get nearer you'll see this https://goo.gl/maps/SKndAqZwUBu; approaching from the west (as this lorry seems to have) you'd see this: https://goo.gl/maps/2JVZB9GVxkr


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 28, 2019, 19:17:33
Yet another one for Station Road in Taunton this evening, 28th March 2019.

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/20190328_173035_zpspd1siq93.jpg)
https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/17535073.tauntons-station-road-closed-after-lorry-gets-stuck-under-railway-bridge/

Viridor's head office is just round the corner on Priory Bridge Road. Whilst that's not their vehicle yard you'd think that they, and by extension, their drivers would well know the height limit on Station Road, Taunton.

At least the pigeons were briefly scared away, according to an eyewitness. ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 29, 2019, 15:13:08
Perhaps a case of looking, not reading?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on May 18, 2019, 10:34:59
If you can't reach a bridge to collide with it from underneath, and you're really determined, there are other ways ... though obviously this one is much harder with a railway bridge.
(https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/resources/images/9867832/)
News item from the Reading Chronicle (https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/17648278.chaos-on-the-roads-after-vehicle-comes-off-flyover-in-reading/#gallery4)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on May 18, 2019, 15:26:17
That incident could have been so awful, but thankfully wasn't. The lorry crossed the central reservation before suffering a rapid decrease in potential energy. Somewhat surprisingly, the driver wasn't badly hurt, and there were no other injuries, although a lot of people were inconvenienced, and the 26-piece china tea set I was expecting is probably now a 96-piece tea set.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on July 30, 2019, 22:04:47
Another "instant" single decker !!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-49166689


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on July 31, 2019, 08:53:24
Another "instant" single decker !!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-49166689

Oh dear!

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/10D3A/production/_108122986_mediaitem108115196.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 31, 2019, 09:37:19
Ouch! That one looks like it could have been really nasty if there'd been anyone on the top deck. Still, I think it's Railway 1, Bus 0 for that match.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on July 31, 2019, 10:22:03
I was wondering whether it was in service or not, which no-one has reported on - and the absence of any route indicator on the front (indeed the absence of a lot of front) means the picture doesn't help.

It does look like an X17; a new "express" route that started in May, running to Fauldhouse station which is a right turn just before coming under that bridge. A departure for Edinburgh was due at 11:16, near enough when the ... unfortunate incident ... happened. So it could have been that service, which turned right instead of left, or the incoming one, which forgot to turn off. However, it might also have been an out of service replacement bus, for example, and not necessarily being driven by its driver for the public service. Whoever it was, "the 51-year-old has been charged in connection with this and a report will be submitted to the Procurator Fiscal".

As to that "express" - starting from Fauldhouse, that X17 at 11:16 doesn't arrive in Edinburgh (Haymarket) until 12:55; the train at 11:00 gets there at 11:43. The train also stops at Breich, which the bus studiously avoids, preferring to serve Stoneyburn, Loganlea etc. In fact it doesn't stop at another station on its way in, the nearest being West Calder (about 400 m walk then a 20 minute wait, though still saving 40 minutes). It goes close to others, but being express it presumably wouldn't stop even if asked politely.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on July 31, 2019, 10:28:04
I was wondering whether it was in service or not, which no-one has reported on - and the absence of any route indicator on the front (indeed the absence of a lot of front) means the picture doesn't help.

"Driver was alone on vehicle" I saw somewhere.  So either not in service ... or a route / service that might have real problems!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on August 08, 2019, 13:02:24
Yet another !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-45754633/lorry-smashes-into-cheshire-railway-bridge


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 08, 2019, 16:59:49
That reminds me, at the weekend on a minor road somewhere in the West Midlands, I saw a rail bridge which appeared to be the common Victorian red brick arch with the yellow and black hi-viz warnings on the arch – except that it turned out to be a flat bridge with a retrofitted 'false' arch. It was pretty low anyway so justified the markings but I wondered why they had been fitted as an arch rather than a flat bar. I suppose it could be to force high vehicles, which in this case would have been anything taller than a horse box, into the middle of the road so cars wouldn't try to squeeze alongside them – there wouldn't quite have been width for that and it might, I guess, have resulted in damage to the retaining walls?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on August 13, 2019, 11:28:03
A nice compilation from Brimingham.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-birmingham-38856610/birmingham-experiences-wave-of-lorries-getting-into-literal-scrapes

I once got the front tyre of my Honda 50 stuck in the tram tracks in Fleetwood. I didn't know you could do that with a lorry.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on August 13, 2019, 11:34:46
From Journeycheck
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Taunton
Due to a lorry colliding with a bridge at Castle Cary the line towards Yeovil Pen Mill is disrupted. Disruption is expected until 12:00 13/08.
Train services between Westbury and Taunton are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on August 13, 2019, 11:55:58
Quite a bit of damage done to the bridge.

(Attached picture from Network Rail)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 13, 2019, 14:36:26
Demolishing the parapet of an overbridge makes a change from getting stuck underneath, I suppose. Did the driver just lose control or was there another vehicle involved, I wonder?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on August 13, 2019, 14:43:57
An unusual variation on the usual theme. The driver isn't "life-changingly" hurt, thank goodness, but may need clean underwear. The railway seemed back to normal by midday.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on August 13, 2019, 15:32:59
The line towards Taunton re-opened fairly quickly but the debris fell on the single line towards Yeovil Pen Mill.   That remains closed.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Timmer on October 01, 2019, 09:34:06
Oh dear, that really is unfortunate:
https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1178944188223758336


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 01, 2019, 10:26:31
Oh dear oh dear oh dear!

From that Twitter thread:
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Looks like they hit a large pipe in front of the bridge?

Less harmful than closing the railway line, perhaps…


William Low

That's there just to protect the bridge. I used to work a few hundred metres away and they still have to close the line fairly frequently if it gets smacked. The BiB should really know better than this though.
Is it really just a bridge protector? Looks very like a pipe to me. It's round and has those anti-climb spikes. Either water or sewers, I'd guess. An anti-bash girder is usually more like, well, a girder.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 01, 2019, 10:55:04
Oh dear oh dear oh dear!

Is it really just a bridge protector? Looks very like a pipe to me. It's round and has those anti-climb spikes. Either water or sewers, I'd guess. An anti-bash girder is usually more like, well, a girder.

You would think that would concentrate the mind, especially during the toxic phase of Brexit.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Timmer on October 01, 2019, 10:59:21
Is it really just a bridge protector? Looks very like a pipe to me. It's round and has those anti-climb spikes. Either water or sewers, I'd guess. An anti-bash girder is usually more like, well, a girder.
Looks like a pipe to me as well. Still appears to be doing a good job acting as a bridge protector.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on October 01, 2019, 22:20:48
Is it really just a bridge protector? Looks very like a pipe to me. It's round and has those anti-climb spikes. Either water or sewers, I'd guess. An anti-bash girder is usually more like, well, a girder.
Looks like a pipe to me as well. Still appears to be doing a good job acting as a bridge protector.

The definition of a girder or beam does not define its shape. Of the bridge protection beams I have seen most of them are circular in cross section. I presume that this is because they they are more resistant to lateral load than a traditional I-beam which is designed to resist mainly vertical load and the flange would be too resistant to impact damage. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on October 02, 2019, 07:16:20
Pipes that size have a tendency to be sewers. They would be in the s**t then.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 16, 2019, 09:48:23
The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50054615


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 16, 2019, 11:27:44
The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50054615

Although the bridge is clearly low, does a van of that size need to have its height, width etc on display in the cab?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 16, 2019, 11:50:00
I think the height above which a vehicle needs in-cab labelling is 3m. Though different regulations might apply if it's a military vehicle.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 16, 2019, 11:53:35
Regardless of regulations, I think the onus is on the driver to know the dimensions of their vehicle.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on October 16, 2019, 12:35:44
The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50054615

"can we bend it back into shape, and hide it at the back, before the sergeant major finds out ?"

"no mate, sorry. Firstly it is too badly bent. Secondly it is already on the internet, and the sergeant major, or someone who knows him, has possibly already seen it, or soon will"

"can we blame it on a terrorist attack ?"

"not without forensic evidence or reliable witnesses"

"a drone attack ?"

"I doubt anyone will believe that"


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 16, 2019, 23:08:08
The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50054615

"can we bend it back into shape, and hide it at the back, before the sergeant major finds out ?"

Good luck with that one!

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/43FC/production/_109240471_capture.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on October 17, 2019, 07:09:33
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The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
I think the RAF have Station Warrant Officers? Sergeant majors are a bit army.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 17, 2019, 08:15:42
The beam worked, anyway.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on October 17, 2019, 10:03:23
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The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
I think the RAF have Station Warrant Officers? Sergeant majors are a bit army.

Flight Sergeants do most of the shouting. Warrant Officers shout at the Flight Sergeant.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ray951 on October 17, 2019, 10:24:34
Another one in Botley Road Oxford yesterday -https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17972984.lorry-smashes-botley-road-rail-bridge-oxford/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17972984.lorry-smashes-botley-road-rail-bridge-oxford/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 17, 2019, 13:24:36
Not just the bin arm was up – but a bin attached! Looks like someone was in too much of a hurry to finish the shift.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightonedee on October 17, 2019, 23:21:48
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The sergeant major's going to do some shouting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50054615

"can we bend it back into shape, and hide it at the back, before the sergeant major finds out ?"

Good luck with that one!


Not only has some poor squaddie learnt about vehicle heights and low bridges, we now also know where the weld seams are between the side panels on Peugeot vans!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 03, 2019, 18:14:33
Another bridge crash today in Norbiton, near Kingston-upon Thames involving a double decker bus apparently on rail replacement duty.

From My London (https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/norbiton-bus-crash-coombe-road-17192272)
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A double decker bus has crashed into a bridge in Norbiton, Kingston.

It is understood that the bus is a rail replacement bus.

The incident happened on Coombe Road this morning (Sunday, November 3).

Several photos also here: https://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/18011562.double-decker-bus-crashes-bridge-coombe-road-kingston/



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on November 08, 2019, 17:50:37
If you can't lower the vehicles or send then around another way, raise the bridge

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-50340631/north-carolina-can-opener-bridge-raised


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 08, 2019, 18:21:29
The bridge in question is being raised from 3.56m to 3.76m. You'd think that wouldn't make much difference, but a quick check reveals that a MAN 7.5t truck is 3.6m high; hire trucks seem to make up the bulk of the can-opener's victims: http://11foot8.com/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on December 02, 2019, 10:33:37
You could say that the comment, on this otherwise sensible view, is a bit OTT
https://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.com/2019/11/ooh-thats-low.html#comment-form (https://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.com/2019/11/ooh-thats-low.html#comment-form)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 02, 2019, 11:54:44
Any raising of bridges will be too late for this poor English bus, as reported by  The Argus (https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18073538.top-floor-double-decker-bus-destroyed-hassocks-accident/)

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Top floor of double decker bus destroyed in Hassocks 'accident'
By Harry Bullmore  @HarryBullmore
Reporter
Top floor of double decker bus destroyed in Hassocks 'accident' . Picture by Simon Fenton

(https://www.theargus.co.uk/resources/images/10742507.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery)
THE roof of a double decker school bus collapsed after an "accident" near a bridge.

The top deck of the bus was destroyed and left crumpled and misshapen following the incident this morning.

A spokesman for Heritage, the coach company which owns the bus involved, said: "The driver was returning from the school run with an empty bus which was out of service.

"We cannot comment further."

An AA spokesman warned of delays in the area as a result of the crash.

He said: "The road is partially blocked and there are delays due to an accident involving a bus on the B2116 Keymer Road, outside Hassocks station."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Celestial on December 02, 2019, 12:04:56
I can't see a Welsh connection to the bus?



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 02, 2019, 12:19:09
I can't see a Welsh connection to the bus?

My mistake. Wrong Argus. It is indeed an English bus. I have corrected the error before I get letters from Welsh llawyers.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 02, 2019, 13:23:42
Nice use of 'quotes' around 'accident'.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on December 02, 2019, 14:45:34
I wonder why, when this sort of thing happens, the media response is so often to publish a quote from an “AA spokesman”?  ???

Do the AA, or other breakdown firms, really have a bloke on call prepared to state the obvious?

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 02, 2019, 14:58:51
I wonder why, when this sort of thing happens, the media response is so often to publish a quote from an “AA spokesman”?  ???

Do the AA, or other breakdown firms, really have a bloke on call prepared to state the obvious?

Paul

Surely that's the AA, motoring organisation, not breakdown firm. So the answer is yes, it's part of their function.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Celestial on December 02, 2019, 17:18:19
I can't see a Welsh connection to the bus?

My mistake. Wrong Argus. It is indeed an English bus. I have corrected the error before I get letters from Welsh llawyers.
Diolch yn fawr!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 02, 2019, 21:28:56
I can't see a Welsh connection to the bus?

My mistake. Wrong Argus. It is indeed an English bus. I have corrected the error before I get letters from Welsh llawyers.
Diolch yn fawr!

Peidiwch â sôn.

Surely that's the AA, motoring organisation, not breakdown firm. So the answer is yes, it's part of their function.

Unless the driver had been on the beer (cwrw if he is Welsh), in which it could be someone else with the same abbrev.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 04, 2019, 17:50:19
Any raising of bridges will be too late for this poor English bus, as reported by  The Argus (https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18073538.top-floor-double-decker-bus-destroyed-hassocks-accident/)

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Top floor of double decker bus destroyed in Hassocks 'accident'
By Harry Bullmore  @HarryBullmore
Reporter
Top floor of double decker bus destroyed in Hassocks 'accident' . Picture by Simon Fenton

(https://www.theargus.co.uk/resources/images/10742507.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery)
THE roof of a double decker school bus collapsed after an "accident" near a bridge.

The top deck of the bus was destroyed and left crumpled and misshapen following the incident this morning.

A spokesman for Heritage, the coach company which owns the bus involved, said: "The driver was returning from the school run with an empty bus which was out of service.

"We cannot comment further."

An AA spokesman warned of delays in the area as a result of the crash.

He said: "The road is partially blocked and there are delays due to an accident involving a bus on the B2116 Keymer Road, outside Hassocks station."


Apparently this one may be driver not to fault. Eyewitness accounts I’ve read elsewhere was that he was lined up to go centre under the arch and a pedestrian ran in front of the bus and he swerved to avoid pedestrian.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 07, 2019, 00:23:13
Apparently this one may be driver not to fault. Eyewitness accounts I’ve read elsewhere was that he was lined up to go centre under the arch and a pedestrian ran in front of the bus and he swerved to avoid pedestrian.

"I swerved to avoid an accident."

Is there a quote from the pedestrian who somewhat inadvisably ran in front of a speeding double decker bus heading towards a single decker bridge?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 07, 2019, 11:15:39
Is there a quote from the pedestrian who somewhat inadvisably ran in front of a speeding double decker bus heading towards a single decker bridge?

"I was madly waving my arms, shouting 'Stop - Stop!!' "  ;)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 12, 2019, 13:14:55
A very nasty one in Swansea today. Several people hurt, one with life threatening injuries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50759983

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Screenshot_20191212_131533_bbc.mobile.news.uk2_zps5rgly0rk.jpg)



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 12, 2019, 21:07:09
Apparently this one may be driver not to fault. Eyewitness accounts I’ve read elsewhere was that he was lined up to go centre under the arch and a pedestrian ran in front of the bus and he swerved to avoid pedestrian.

"I swerved to avoid an accident."

Is there a quote from the pedestrian who somewhat inadvisably ran in front of a speeding double decker bus heading towards a single decker bridge?

It was an independent eye witness passing by quoted


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on December 18, 2019, 18:42:25

Another one today as reported in the
Swindon Advertiser  (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18110156.lorry-crashes-gets-stuck-station-road-bridge/) at Whitehouse Bridge near Swindon Station.

(https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/10812050.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery)

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Road closed after lorry crashes and gets stuck under Corporation Street bridge

A LORRY has crashed into the bridge in Corporation Street and is stuck.
It is causing major traffic problems in the surrounding area and all the way past the Transfer Bridges as far as Elgin Drive.
Corporation Street southbound is closed from Station Road to Manchester Road.
The northbound side is open, but police are recommending drivers approach it with care.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 23, 2019, 12:11:50
A very nasty one in Swansea today. Several people hurt, one with life threatening injuries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50759983


Sad to report that one person has now died following this incident.

BBC News - Swansea bus crash: Injured Jessica Jing Ren dies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50891866


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on January 10, 2020, 17:15:03
Bristol's turn today, and the scene at Whitby Road earlier today, courtesy of Penny Courtenay.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49362258113_cab22e49e4_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on June 13, 2020, 19:27:09

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/a36-blocked-as-lorry-strikes-low-bridge-in-wilton-shedding-its-load/

That's twice in a week !


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on June 13, 2020, 19:51:22
That's twice in a week !

Must have fixed the lorry quickly  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on July 07, 2020, 21:25:03
From my home village, Templecombe, today. Just a scrape. Low loader driver was able to lower trailer to get under.

(https://i.ibb.co/YRL26Ww/FB-IMG-1594152904937.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zxx7k83/FB-IMG-1594152830085.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on July 07, 2020, 21:37:57
I can tell the world is returning to normal - we're in to problems with low bridges regularly again.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 21, 2020, 23:07:12
Nailsea makes an appearance in this thread.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/live-bus-stuck-under-nailsea-4351057
(https://i2-prod.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article4351058.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/1_Stay-Alert-bus-stuck.jpg)
Good looking bridge that one.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 10, 2020, 12:15:03
Three children seriously injured in Hampshire school bus crash

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/children-injured-in-hampshire-school-bus-crash/

(Picture here)
More than a dozen children have been injured after their school bus crashed into a railway bridge in Hampshire.

Three children have since been taken to hospital with serious injuries, while a further 13 suffered minor wounds.

All are aged between 11 and 16 years old.

Pictures from the scene on Well House Lane in Winchester on Thursday revealed the roof of the bus was torn off as it hit the railway bridge..........continues


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 10, 2020, 13:07:13
The latest Streetview, June 2019, shows the height warning sign is missing from one end of the bridge. I don't know whether the bus was approaching from that side. Even without that warning sign, it seems astonishing to think a double decker could fit under there.

https://goo.gl/maps/oSarBdKBs78ZWrkU7


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on September 10, 2020, 13:11:59
Slightly fuller report from the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-54099591 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-54099591)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 10, 2020, 13:17:50
Without wishing to speculate, I guess bus drivers are fallible in the same way train drivers are when they have a stop short, in so much as they 'forget' how long their train is?  A bus driver could be mistakenly thinking their bus is a single decker - it only takes a few seconds.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 10, 2020, 13:28:25
Without wishing to speculate, I guess bus drivers are fallible in the same way train drivers are when they have a stop short, in so much as they 'forget' how long their train is?  A bus driver could be mistakenly thinking their bus is a single decker - it only takes a few seconds.

We have a number of double deck buses appearing on routes that are normally single deck in our area, and indeed a new school route D1X which is specially differed from the D1 to allow double decks on the Bath - Bradford-on-Avon - Trowbridge route which id normally limited because of the low bridge at Limpley Stoke.    I suspect that the risk of these things happening is higher at the moment with all the changes going on at short notice.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on September 10, 2020, 13:35:20
The latest Streetview, June 2019, shows the height warning sign is missing from one end of the bridge. I don't know whether the bus was approaching from that side. Even without that warning sign, it seems astonishing to think a double decker could fit under there.

https://goo.gl/maps/oSarBdKBs78ZWrkU7

The bus came from the other, eastern, side, where there is a height sign on the face of the bridge. There's a road narrows sign with "oncoming vehicles in middle of road" just before the bridge, and the bridge makes seeing those oncoming vehicles hard, so you'd not be unaware of it. There's also an advanced height limit warning sign that the bus must have passed, as well as one on the western approach, though neither is well positioned.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: southwest on September 10, 2020, 17:16:10
Without wishing to speculate, I guess bus drivers are fallible in the same way train drivers are when they have a stop short, in so much as they 'forget' how long their train is?  A bus driver could be mistakenly thinking their bus is a single decker - it only takes a few seconds.

Surely a picture of a double decker or saying the height of the bus somewhere in the drivers vision would be a simple solution to this?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 10, 2020, 17:35:32
Surely a picture of a double decker or saying the height of the bus somewhere in the drivers vision would be a simple solution to this?
Most have a height sticker in the cab


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: rogerw on September 10, 2020, 20:00:09
One in Bristol this afternoon. But not a railway bridge this time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54109763 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54109763)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on September 11, 2020, 06:54:57
Quote
Most have a height sticker in the cab

In the case of Reading Buses it is in millimetres, which might not immediately equate to the signs if you are used to working in Rees-Mog units.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 11, 2020, 08:01:17
Without wishing to speculate, I guess bus drivers are fallible in the same way train drivers are when they have a stop short, in so much as they 'forget' how long their train is?  A bus driver could be mistakenly thinking their bus is a single decker - it only takes a few seconds.

Without wishing to speculate, there's fallible, and then there's negligent.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 11, 2020, 09:57:11
The latest Streetview, June 2019, shows the height warning sign is missing from one end of the bridge. I don't know whether the bus was approaching from that side. Even without that warning sign, it seems astonishing to think a double decker could fit under there.

https://goo.gl/maps/oSarBdKBs78ZWrkU7

The bus came from the other, eastern, side, where there is a height sign on the face of the bridge. There's a road narrows sign with "oncoming vehicles in middle of road" just before the bridge, and the bridge makes seeing those oncoming vehicles hard, so you'd not be unaware of it. There's also an advanced height limit warning sign that the bus must have passed, as well as one on the western approach, though neither is well positioned.

Good safety systems accept that humans are fallible and try to remove the factors that lead to mistakes. Bad safety systems look for someone to blame and change nothing.

At a bare minimum, signage should be consistent, visible and well-maintained. The continued use of US customary units probably doesn't help.

There are 5 bridges strikes every day in the UK. But we know how to design and maintain safe roads. We know how to detect over-height vehicles. It's right to bring bad drivers to book, but if we want to solve this issue we need to focus on prevention rather than scapegoating.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on September 11, 2020, 11:51:36
The continued use of US customary units probably doesn't help.

I really liked that bit - in school and work I have used metric units for over 50 years. In 1980 when I had to translate units for 60 year old site staff it was understandable, 40 years on not so. Even then the office staff were relieved when I finished the project for the new weigh bridge and they no longer had to teach the office juniors about tons, hundredweights (cwt)  and quarters! The people who did not learn them at school or at work must be diminishing to a very small number.

There are those who still call them Imperial Units, but we have not had an empire for longer than we have been using metric units and the countries that used to be in it don't so far as I am aware still use the old units. The only country that does, so far as I can tell, is the US and so "US customary units" seems to be the best description.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 11, 2020, 12:16:42
Being very old, I was taught 'Imperial Units'.  I understood them.
When we changed to £p, that was easy.

When meat weights changed to kg/g and some measurements changed to m/mm, I still struggle, and prefer the old units.

Luddite yes ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on September 11, 2020, 13:10:19
Being very old, I was taught 'Imperial Units'.  I understood them.
When we changed to £p, that was easy.

When meat weights changed to kg/g and some measurements changed to m/mm, I still struggle, and prefer the old units.

Luddite yes ;D

I am only a couple of years off retirement and I was taught only in metric units at secondary school. I did learn the other units at primary school. Admittedly I have worked in a technical profession for all my career therefore using units on a day to day basis.  The UK construction and manufacturing industry officially went metric in 1970 - that's 50 years ago!

To have been through school learning only imperial units you would have had to be at least 70 and probably more. Only 15% of the population is over 70 and I am not sure very many of them will be driving buses or HGV's. Yet when local authorities try even to put both units on road signs they have been vilified by some lunatic fringe. 

On bridge heights it matters - it is a health and safety issue held back by nostalgia. 

Mercifully for weight limits it doesn't matter - don't tell people but actually they are already in metric tonnes!*

*However 1 tonne =0.984207 uk tons (for a civil engineer that means no difference) = 1.10231 us customary tons (now that does make a difference). 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: southwest on September 11, 2020, 13:28:45
Surely a picture of a double decker or saying the height of the bus somewhere in the drivers vision would be a simple solution to this?
Most have a height sticker in the cab

Yeah I believe it's at the top of the cab, out of the drivers line of vision. Surely having something within the line of vision that doesn't impede their view would solve it. Single Decker icons for Single Deckers, Double for Double deckers. Something that is a quick reference.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 11, 2020, 13:42:44
At a bare minimum, signage should be consistent, visible and well-maintained. The continued use of US customary units probably doesn't help.

Many drivers have come to work in the UK from abroad, and our quaint archaic units are a second language to them. I was in the first year at my school to do physics education in metric, and unlike elledunne, I have already retired, so there is no need to confuse our own young people with the so-called Imperial units. They should be the sole preserve of the US , and all the other countries that still use Fahrenheit and inches of quicksilver. (OK, just the US.)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 11, 2020, 13:44:51
....
Only 15% of the population is over 70 and I am not sure very many of them will be driving buses or HGV's.

Correct on both counts... ;)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 11, 2020, 13:52:02
Yeah I believe it's at the top of the cab, out of the drivers line of vision. Surely having something within the line of vision that doesn't impede their view would solve it. Single Decker icons for Single Deckers, Double for Double deckers. Something that is a quick reference.

A simple action like that won't 'solve' anything, though it might well decrease the risk of it happening, and as such might be a good thing.  

Human factors, specifically non-technical skills such as decision making and situational awareness, are complicated and difficult to influence to any great degree.  As Red Squirrel's excellent post above pointed out, whilst gross negligence might be a cause, and needs to be dealt with appropriately, there's usually a whole lot more to it.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on September 11, 2020, 14:02:35
Being very old, I was taught 'Imperial Units'.  I understood them.
When we changed to £p, that was easy.

When meat weights changed to kg/g and some measurements changed to m/mm, I still struggle, and prefer the old units.

Luddite yes ;D

I am only a couple of years off retirement and I was taught only in metric units at secondary school. I did learn the other units at primary school. Admittedly I have worked in a technical profession for all my career therefore using units on a day to day basis.  The UK construction and manufacturing industry officially went metric in 1970 - that's 50 years ago!

I am 65 and was taught fully metric at secondary school.  More importantly my late mother insisted that the metric system was routinely taught in schools before WW2, she always said the idea that “old folk” had a problem was artificial.

But in the case of this sort of tunnel shaped hole through a high railway embankment, where it seems like you’re driving towards a 40 ft high overgrown hedge, in broad daylight, let’s not use signage as an excuse...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 11, 2020, 15:56:49
Hundredweight (cwt): I don't know in what contexts I saw this abbreviation as a child, but to me it always seemed to stand for for "kilowatts". I mean, who spells hundred with a c? (The Romans, and what did they ever do for us?)

And just to be irrelevantly pedantic, the US is not the only country still officially using "Imperial" units. Myanmar and Liberia also do! (And of course they cling on for various non-official duties in a number of other countries, mostly ones that were once part of the British Empire, but not necessarily English speaking.)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on September 11, 2020, 16:01:18
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on September 11, 2020, 16:03:49
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on September 11, 2020, 16:14:03
In the USA they still "acre feet" as a unit of measurement. Sounds more like an animal ailment to me, as in "the poor animal got acre feet and had to be shot"

Returning to bridges, It seems that both metric and imperial measures should be shown on bridges. With the long term aim of eventually phasing out imperial units.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 11, 2020, 16:49:11
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.

Metric measurements are used for Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) structures, but still very much miles and chains in other respects.  The railway will be the last to convert...  ;)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 11, 2020, 18:03:53
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.

Or Twenty Two Yards  just like a Cricket Wicket,if you still use English 😁


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on September 11, 2020, 18:22:44
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.

Yes it is 20.1168 m which is neither here nor there for finding an asset that is quite big - like a bridge or a set of points. Unless you start adding them up all the way from Paddington, in which case after 100km you could be a way out!

I suppose they still use miles and chains because otherwise they would need to need to spend money replacing all the mileposts and asset records that are measured in miles and chains. 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 11, 2020, 18:42:38
......getting back on track, now being reported that several of the children have "life changing" injuries - generally means amputations in this context.

It's reported that the bus was running late and the driver appeared to be taking a shortcut, despite children on board "screaming" that he was going the wrong way.

Stagecoach have confirmed that the driver was an experienced member of staff.......one would assume therefore that he would have realised that he was driving a double decker rather than a single decker, and taken the necessary precautions when approaching a low bridge.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-54116518



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 11, 2020, 18:47:05
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.

Yes it is 20.1168 m which is neither here nor there for finding an asset that is quite big - like a bridge or a set of points. Unless you start adding them up all the way from Paddington, in which case after 100km you could be a way out!

I suppose they still use miles and chains because otherwise they would need to need to spend money replacing all the mileposts and asset records that are measured in miles and chains. 
I don't know how much truth there is in this, but it's been said that they would need to resurvey everything rather than convert. Because the Victorian navvy gangs were paid by the chain, they would claim a chain at say 21 yards rather than 22. Over the length of the railway, it amounted to enough extra pay to be worth it.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 11, 2020, 18:48:27
......getting back on track, now being reported that several of the children have "life changing" injuries - generally means amputations in this context.

It's reported that the bus was running late and the driver appeared to be taking a shortcut, despite children on board "screaming" that he was going the wrong way.

Stagecoach have confirmed that the driver was an experienced member of staff.......one would assume therefore that he would have realised that he was driving a double decker rather than a single decker, and taken the necessary precautions when approaching a low bridge.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-54116518


Sometimes, screaming kids should be listened to.  >:(


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 11, 2020, 21:20:23
Shameful.......what sort of a person could make a joke of it?

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-bus-drivers-slammed-appalling-4508096


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 11, 2020, 22:23:44
Agreed.  Shameful.

Regarding your earlier point about experienced staff not making mistakes, similar incidents on the railway (involving the non-technical skills I mentioned earlier) indicate ‘experience’ makes little difference - indeed it can lead to complacency.  That’s why Red Squirrels post was spot on.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 12, 2020, 13:20:07
A fairly undramatic one from Suffolk a couple of days ago.
(https://www.eadt.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.6827127.1599578043!/image/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpeg)
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/van-stuck-under-railway-bridge-in-pound-hill-bacton-1-6827699


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 12, 2020, 13:21:54
Also in Suffolk but back in July, some van acrobatics.
(https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.6732893.1594065700!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg)
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/bramford-road-ipswich-car-transporter-hits-bridge-1-6732897


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on September 12, 2020, 14:10:13
Doesn't the railway still use "Chains" to measure distance along the track?

Fortunately a chain is 20 m, unless you're being really picky.

Or Twenty Two Yards  just like a Cricket Wicket,if you still use English 😁
Cricket and other sporting comparisons are useful, I was told years ago that to visualise an acre you should either use a wicket by a furlong, or alternatively an acre would be about 10 cricket squares...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 12, 2020, 14:55:45
I was told that if you want to visualise a hectare, try to think of something 100m x 100m...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on September 12, 2020, 15:41:36
I was told that if you want to visualise a hectare, try to think of something 100m x 100m...

Back in 1976 I was working with a metric skeptic who objected to my using hectares. So we pointed to the plan of the site on the wall and asked him to estimate the area in acres and we would do so in hectares. He asked how we did it so quickly and we simply pointed ou that the plan had 100m grid squares drawn all over it and that each one corresponded to a hectare.  He was a convert after that.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 12, 2020, 22:24:20
I was told that if you want to visualise a hectare, try to think of something 100m x 100m...

By definition, therefore, a hectare is square, although any shape could constitute a hectare. I can relate that to around the length of a football pitch, squared.  An acre, by definition, is long and narrow, so harder to visualise. The M32 from where the traffic from Eastville roundabout meets the inbound carriageway to behind the White Swan?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 12, 2020, 22:49:38
Indeed. I'm sure 200x50 would work, or 400x25 if you wanted something more obviously oblong. I think even a round hectare is allowed; a radius of around 56.42m ought to do it. Which goes to show that even the metric system can throw up an untidy number if you push hard enough.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: MVR S&T on September 12, 2020, 23:38:03
An Hectare. kilometer of railway ten metres wide?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 13, 2020, 08:38:06
It is no wonder I'm totally confused; hence clinging on to what I know 'Imperial units'   ;) ;)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on September 13, 2020, 16:11:52
I was told that if you want to visualise a hectare, try to think of something 100m x 100m...

By definition, therefore, a hectare is square, although any shape could constitute a hectare. I can relate that to around the length of a football pitch, squared.  An acre, by definition, is long and narrow, so harder to visualise. The M32 from where the traffic from Eastville roundabout meets the inbound carriageway to behind the White Swan?

I don?t think a Hectare necessarily needs to be square though.  It?s derivation used to puzzle me, and it turned out ?Hect? is the prefix meaning hundred of, and ?Are? was intended to be the derived unit for a supposedly useful area of 100 sq metres.  Has anyone seen ?Are? in use?

Some sources I looked at reckoned ?Are? quickly fell out of use as it was either too small, say for land measurement, or unnecessary for day to day interior measurement, people just used square metres for areas up to a few hundred...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 13, 2020, 17:14:02
I was told that if you want to visualise a hectare, try to think of something 100m x 100m...

By definition, therefore, a hectare is square, although any shape could constitute a hectare. I can relate that to around the length of a football pitch, squared.  An acre, by definition, is long and narrow, so harder to visualise. The M32 from where the traffic from Eastville roundabout meets the inbound carriageway to behind the White Swan?
The acre would have been easy to visualise at the time and place of its origins; a certain number (presumably 22) of standard length furrows in the open field system. Absolutely in tune with its application. Less relevant now as a result of enclosures, mechanised agriculture, few of us being farmers, etc.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 15, 2020, 08:05:01
Has anyone seen ?Are? in use?

Some sources I looked at reckoned ?Are? quickly fell out of use as it was either too small, say for land measurement, or unnecessary for day to day interior measurement, people just used square metres for areas up to a few hundred...

Paul

In my mining days, contract miners were paid per centiare - though I swear we spelt and pronounced it 'centare'. One hundredth of an are or one square metre.

Prior to metrication the unit used was the square fathom, which was not 6 feet x 6 feet, but 3 feet x 3 feet - or square yard. I could never fathom out how they got fathom out of that.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2020, 10:29:14
First Bus are considering installing devices in their double deckers to give audible warning in advance of low bridges.
Quote
"We know where all the low bridges are located in the West of England and our operating instructions for staff fully encompass the routes that avoid the need to go near such bridges with double-deck vehicles.
...
"We are also working with technology suppliers to come up with an audible automatic warning device in cabs to warn drivers of approaching low bridges.?
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/first-bus-looking-install-audible-4514655


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2020, 11:02:42
First Bus are considering installing devices in their double deckers to give audible warning in advance of low bridges.
Quote
"We know where all the low bridges are located in the West of England and our operating instructions for staff fully encompass the routes that avoid the need to go near such bridges with double-deck vehicles.
...
"We are also working with technology suppliers to come up with an audible automatic warning device in cabs to warn drivers of approaching low bridges.?
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/first-bus-looking-install-audible-4514655

It had occurred to me that most buses by now are equipped to know where they are, as well as which bridges are too low and where they are. So are we talking about a bleeper for the GPS? And don't the relevant ones already have one? Or does it need a bit more - linking the GPS to the odometer and steering to allow dead reckoning through coverage gaps? Or is it really a Doppler radar looking ahead for those approaching low bridges, and no doubt telling you how fast they are moving too?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 15, 2020, 11:30:16
There have been odd occasions when on a route to see "Road closed ahead" sign and not being advised to depots.
That will take you off route of course.
Drivers are told that in those circumstances to contact control before going off route.
The answer has always been "Don't know anything about that mate, news to me".  End of call!
As control were not aware, they will also not be aware of the diversion route.

Back to the driver to decide  ???


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2020, 11:42:26
I have seen (on the bookshelf in shops, so it much have been a while back) road maps for Heavy Goods Vehicle (HGV) drivers, including all the low bridges.  It shouldn't be beyond the wit of some bright programmer to take that database and include it within the technology that's already on buses so that drivers get an alert ...


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 15, 2020, 11:46:00
....  It shouldn't be beyond the wit of some bright programmer to take that database and include it within the technology that's already on buses so that drivers get an alert ...


You've not seen our vehicles then  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2020, 12:07:20
I have seen (on the bookshelf in shops, so it much have been a while back) road maps for HGV drivers, including all the low bridges.  It shouldn't be beyond the wit of some bright programmer to take that database and include it within the technology that's already on buses so that drivers get an alert ...

When First are quoted as saying "We know where all the low bridges are located in the West of England", I take that as meaning they have all the low-bridge data, plus weight and width limits and roads not allowed by administrative fiat, probably in both printed and digital form. So it comes down to a thing that goes bleep having access to that database and knowing where it is and where it's heading.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2020, 12:49:05
The article excelled in lack of detail!  ::) So it could be anything but I'd presume it to be a dataset loaded to a GPS device, which will bleep or buzz at the appropriate places. Hopefully to alert the driver to a recommended deviation rather than simply "low bridge 100m ahead".


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on September 15, 2020, 14:15:25
I have seen (on the bookshelf in shops, so it much have been a while back) road maps for HGV drivers, including all the low bridges.  It shouldn't be beyond the wit of some bright programmer to take that database and include it within the technology that's already on buses so that drivers get an alert ...

Historically the problem with Heavy Good's Vehicle's (HGV)s has been independent owner-operators who figure they'll save a few quid by not forking out for the (more expensive) truck satnav. But bus operators shouldn't really have that excuse...


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 16, 2020, 07:40:49
99.9% of the time, bus drivers use the scheduled route, and all/most know those routes.
It's the diversions not notified in advance that cause the problems.
First attitude has been along the lines of 'why fit equipment to all our fleet that would only be used 0.1% of the time'.
All vehicles are now fitted with the Ticketer ticket machine which each have their own sim card & are GPS tracked, so Satnav (in simple "avoid upcoming bridge") could be fitted.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 16, 2020, 07:54:40
...

First attitude has been along the lines of 'why fit equipment to all our fleet that would only be used 0.1% of the time'.
All vehicles are now fitted with the Ticketer ticket machine which each have their own sim card & are GPS tracked, so Satnav (in simple "avoid upcoming bridge") could be fitted.


Which is why the solution is to add something in the software of an existing system on the bus.   Have the Ticketer bleep (they have a speaker, right?) if approaching a low bridge.  Low / no per unit cost, no extra equipment to maintain ...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on September 16, 2020, 08:02:21

Have the Ticketer bleep (they have a speaker, right?)

Yes, a bleep.  (Drivers then perhaps need to be trained to listen to a bleep whilst running, invariably difficult on a school run  ;) ;))


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 16, 2020, 10:06:19
Maybe this is only tenuously related to the subject matter (speed may not be a major factor in many of these collisions), but I think it makes the point that better design answers the problem of vehicles hitting things better than just blaming and penalising drivers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_0DgnJ1uQ


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 17, 2020, 13:39:25
By analogy with the video you posted elsewhere of Ghent, it seems safe to say "Design for speed and you get speed."


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 18, 2020, 19:44:20
By analogy with the video you posted elsewhere of Ghent, it seems safe to say "Design for speed and you get speed."

At last, I know how they brought the good news from Ghent to Aix.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 22, 2020, 14:38:33
Here, at last, is a complete solution to the problem of bridge strikes. No in-cab technology, no need for signage (be it metric or US Customary, though I see they've left the old sign for historic interest), no protection beams, no special mapping software...

(https://www.bristol247.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/frog-marsh-bollards-credit-Bahbak-Hashemi-Nezhad-2048x2048.jpg)
Image: Bristol 247 (https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/features/frog-marsh-a-new-community-space-for-easton/)



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 22, 2020, 15:04:02
I like the provision of seating.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: johnneyw on September 22, 2020, 15:30:09
Don't temp fate there RS, there will be somebody out there with the requisite "skills" to at least have a good go!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on September 22, 2020, 17:29:21
I was in Winchester earlier, and took a roundabout route home, and can confirm that the embankments at both sides of the low bridge have been completely cleared of trees and shrubs.

I wouldn?t like to think this was an admission of culpability...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 23, 2020, 06:06:10
I was in Winchester earlier, and took a roundabout route home, and can confirm that the embankments at both sides of the low bridge have been completely cleared of trees and shrubs.

I wouldn?t like to think this was an admission of culpability...

Paul

I would like to think that it's an attempt to reduce the likelihood that no child (or anyone else) ends up in hospital again, minus limbs, but there's always the possibility of reckless behaviour no matter how many precautions are taken.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 23, 2020, 09:10:20

I would like to think that it's an attempt to reduce the likelihood that no child (or anyone else) ends up in hospital again, minus limbs, but there's always the possibility of reckless behaviour no matter how many precautions are taken.

Very true, even if it does look a bit like closing the stable door a bit too late. I would hope too that a check will be made on all safety critical signs, budget or no budget, even if it doesn't stop every accident.
It's a sad fact that safety provision invariably follows accidents. If you see the word "SLOW" painted on a road before a bend, you can bet that someone has been hurt, or a councillor or MP inconvenienced, at some time in the past. The provision of big chevron boards signifies not just that there is a sharp bend, but that at least two drivers failed to take the normal action with the round turny-thing in front of the driver. If they are trimmed with reflective yellow, then either someone has driven through the first set of chevrons, or a lorry has taken to the air.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 23, 2020, 10:44:01
Apparently the bus was only going 11mph when it hit the bridge. 

It reminds me of the Cannon Street rail crash in 1991, where a train hit the buffers at only 10mph yet killed two and injured over 500.  Modern train design means a similar collision now would likely have much less serious consequences, and would probably be prevented from happening in the first case by the buffer stop TPWS grids, but both incidents are a reminder that even low speed impacts can put lives at risk.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 23, 2020, 11:14:18
The stable door analogy isn't entirely appropriate, because this stable is always full of horses. Equally, it always has many doors.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 23, 2020, 11:33:59
The stable door analogy isn't entirely appropriate, because this stable is always full of horses. Equally, it always has many doors.

Let's hope the jockey remembers how high their horse is in relation to the stable roof.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 23, 2020, 19:52:33
Might be camel racing. Or the jockey could even be a mahout. A safari park with giraffe rides?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2020, 07:54:02

It reminds me of the Cannon Street rail crash in 1991, where a train hit the buffers at only 10mph yet killed two and injured over 500.  Modern train design means a similar collision now would likely have much less serious consequences, and would probably be prevented from happening in the first case by the buffer stop TPWS grids, but both incidents are a reminder that even low speed impacts can put lives at risk.

Incidents like this demonstrate the physics of momentum to the layman better than any lab experiment. Rail accidents at stations are also made a lot worse by the likelihood of there being a high number of standing passengers. In the case of Cannon Street, some would have been hanging out of opening doors. That the base of some of the carriages dated from a time when brand new aircraft had open cockpits and two pairs of wings probably didn't help.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2020, 10:00:56
Another one this morning at Burnham, looks like a minibus, causing delays to rail services.......guessing the driver didn't see the huge yellow and black markings and "LOW BRIDGE" written on the er....low bridge 🤦‍♂️


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 29, 2020, 10:46:49
Burnham-on-Crouch to Burnham Market to Burnham (Bucks) to Highbridge and Burnham.

Sorry, have I got the wrong thread?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 20, 2020, 20:33:48
Multiple bridge strikes today at Hampton Court junction, Horsley & Brookwood

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailWssx/status/1318545255277408257?s=09

This tweet mentions Horley (which is near Gatwick) but that's a spelling mistake. It is Horsley near Guildford.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on November 09, 2020, 14:51:03
From BBC Leicestershire (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-54871244)

Quote
Most frequently struck bridges in 2019-20
1. Watling Street, Hinckley, Leicestershire - struck 25 times
2. Bromford Road, Dudley, West Midlands - struck 24 times
3. St John's Street, Lichfield, Staffordshire - struck 23 times
4. Stuntney Road, Ely, Cambridgeshire - struck 19 times
5. Abbey Farm, Thetford, Norfolk - struck 16 times
6. Thurlow Park Road, Tulse Hill, London - struck 14 times
7= Carlisle Road, Cleland, North Lanarkshire - struck 13 times
7= Harlaxton Road, Grantham, Lincolnshire - struck 13 times
7= Stonea Road, Stonea, Cambridgeshire - struck 13 times
10= Coddenham Road, Needham Market, Suffolk - struck 11 times
10= Lower Downs Road, Wimbledon, London - struck 11 times


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on November 09, 2020, 14:53:55
And here is 11 to 20 - including one in Wiltshire

Quote
11. Lower Downs Road Wimbledon, London 11 strikes

12. Warminster Road Wilton, Wiltshire 10 strikes

13. Prescott Street Wigan, Greater Manchester 10 strikes

14. Greenhills Road Paisley, Renfrewshire 9 strikes

15. Newhouse Road South Ruislip, London 9 strikes

16. Kenworthy Road Homerton, London 9 strikes

17. St John's Road Isleworth, London 9 strikes

18. Jews Lane Twerton, Somerset 9 strikes

19. Barrowby Road Grantham, Lincolnshire 8 strikes

20. Cambridge Road Hitchin, Hertfordshire 8 strikes

Whitehouse Bridge near Swindon Station used to top the list in the past but has obviously dropped down the order.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on November 09, 2020, 16:27:49
Bit more on it............

https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/18857947.wilton-warminster-road-bridge-12th-bashed-england/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 09, 2020, 17:34:11
And number 18 is in Bath. It's a bit of an oddity in that list, very narrow and only 6' 6", so presumably struck by vans not lorries or buses. I used to duck when, a few decades ago, I regularly rode my motorbike under it, and it hasn't got any taller since!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on November 09, 2020, 19:20:01
And number 18 is in Bath. It's a bit of an oddity in that list, very narrow and only 6' 6", so presumably struck by vans not lorries or buses. I used to duck when, a few decades ago, I regularly rode my motorbike under it, and it hasn't got any taller since!
The Wimbledon one at number 10 is also a car sized arch bridge. I hope the problem there is similarly just vans, it would be pretty scary if a bus or lorry driver attempted it...

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on November 10, 2020, 06:52:11
Unlike lorries I don't think there is any requirement for the height of vans to be marked/known by drivers?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on November 10, 2020, 07:11:34
Whitehouse Bridge near Swindon Station used to top the list in the past but has obviously dropped down the order.

The list is a rogue's gallery so that absence from the list is a celebration of success.    I am also reminded of the bridge under the GWR Badminton line on the A429 just to the north of Hullavington where the road dips to get under the railway with enough clearance for just about anything, and the area is festooned with warnings and devices to alert high sided vehicles before they reach the bridge.  It's not in the current list of the most hit, either.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on November 10, 2020, 08:02:22
Unlike lorries I don't think there is any requirement for the height of vans to be marked/known by drivers?

The Police would regard striking a bridge as driving with undue care and attention.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on November 10, 2020, 08:59:31
Unlike lorries I don't think there is any requirement for the height of vans to be marked/known by drivers?

The Police would regard striking a bridge as driving with undue care and attention.

Think there's a "not" missing .. split thread at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/24204


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 10, 2020, 13:38:02
Unlike lorries I don't think there is any requirement for the height of vans to be marked/known by drivers?
I think the law on this applies to all vehicles, regardless of type, over a certain height, which I seem to have in mind as 3.2m. Obviously few if any vans are that tall; but neither is the bridge in Twerton.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 10, 2020, 14:46:37
Unlike lorries I don't think there is any requirement for the height of vans to be marked/known by drivers?

Every van I?ve driven has been marked. My privately owned sprinter is, and every van I?ve ever hired has been too.
Height and width


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on November 10, 2020, 15:08:05
Not only that - there needs to be a requirement on companies to use Heavy Goods Vehicle (HGV) satnav, not satnav for private vehicles! The latter is cheaper, hence the preference for the latter.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: infoman on November 14, 2020, 16:49:26
Tim Prosser assett manager for Network rail speaking on radio bristol on saturday morning.
Saying that Jews lane bridge in Twerton was the 18th most bashed bridge(not sure if that western region or U.K.)
The bridge is hit approx nine time a year and lorrys acountable for 59 per cent of the bashe's


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 14, 2020, 17:46:40
Mentioned here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11526.msg296592#msg296592


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: infoman on November 14, 2020, 17:59:54
Sorry!
Should have checked the other postings first.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on November 14, 2020, 18:23:18
Now merged with the main topic.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 15, 2020, 21:35:14
This one is almost four years old, but just look at the reporter's name.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-38770146


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on November 15, 2020, 22:34:44
This one is almost four years old, but just look at the reporter's name.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-38770146

 ;D ;D ;D

The news editor must have been waiting for just such a chance!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 16, 2020, 09:41:37
Aha!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on November 16, 2020, 14:07:29
Aha!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism

 ;D ;D ;D

Low bridges must surely be the ultimate niche market! There are more than a couple of Waters in the water supply industry, and anyone of a certain age will remember that nice Mr Champagne at the Readers Digest's lucky draw office - his real name, apparently. I knew that our Stanmore branch of DWP contained a Mr Stan Moore, whom I spoke to a few times, and I knew an Amelia Court who worked for Bristol City Council at Amelia Court, but low bridges...


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: johnneyw on November 16, 2020, 15:05:47
Living on a street in Sneyd Park, Bristol with the same name as his was an ambition for someone I know. The road is Julian Close but as far as I'm aware he's not moved there yet.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 16, 2020, 16:52:27
My mum used to know a Mrs Nelson who lived in Nelson House on Nelson Street in Stroud. She was a music teacher and there was a Nelson School in Stroud at that time (closed some decades ago, I think)... but also she didn't teach there.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on November 16, 2020, 20:15:16
My last ship in the RN was HMS Birmingham - a fellow mess member was Chief Petty Officer Birmingham !


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on November 16, 2020, 22:17:46
Before we get back on to the subject again, or at least close to it, a school chum's dad was called George Cross. His mother was Victoria. I'm surprised they didn't call him Maltese. I can recall tales of military men called Sergeant Major and Major Sergeant in the same outfit, and an Inspector Constable in Avon and Somerset Constabulary, who was presumably Constable Constable when he joined.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyN on November 16, 2020, 22:44:04
At a College of Horticulture where my father worked in the 1960s a lot of the staff had appropriate surnames: Plant, Gale, Frost and Clay


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyN on January 19, 2021, 16:56:54
Another Bridge bash. This time on the Lymington branch.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19022730.lorry-crashes-ampress-bridge-a337-lymington/ (https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19022730.lorry-crashes-ampress-bridge-a337-lymington/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on February 10, 2021, 14:05:50
Update on Last September's incident in Winchester.
The Hampshire Chronicle reports today that the bus driver has been charged with causing serious injury by dangerous driving and will appear in court in April.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on March 04, 2021, 20:29:10
I don't think you can! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-56278928?fbclid=IwAR2FhScaYD8fW8rm8dkVQ7AwEiiJs3xZ8ucXKGKBUf-VKbRNIT6PphACfWQ)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2970/production/_117380601_mediaitem117380600.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 05, 2021, 05:48:05
I don't think you can! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-56278928?fbclid=IwAR2FhScaYD8fW8rm8dkVQ7AwEiiJs3xZ8ucXKGKBUf-VKbRNIT6PphACfWQ)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2970/production/_117380601_mediaitem117380600.jpg)

B&Q regularly hit the Trewoon bridge near st Austell. (The one being replaced in another thread)
They use double decker trucks, both main road routes from the A30 to st Austell have bridges too low for double deck trucks!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on May 06, 2021, 13:18:48
Update on Last September's incident in Winchester.
The Hampshire Chronicle reports today that the bus driver has been charged with causing serious injury by dangerous driving and will appear in court in April.

The same newspaper reports today that the driver pleaded guilty to three counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving. He'll be sentenced at a court hearing in July.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 16, 2021, 18:59:06
Here's an interesting variation on our usual theme of a moving road vehicle hitting a stationary bridge.  In this incident, the moving bridge apparently demolished the stationary road vehicle.  ;D

From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57127350):

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Leeds bridge demolition: Trailer buckles under weight of debris

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The section of bridge is now being broken up for disposal

Debris from a bridge which is being demolished in Leeds caused issues when a trailer buckled under its weight.

Material from a large section of the old Regent Street flyover was being lifted onto the trailer, when it gave way.

Nobody was injured, Leeds City Council said.

Work to replace the bridge will continue and there are currently road closures in place while the work is carried out.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 23, 2021, 09:54:26
Ah, this is why I had to take a different journey home on Friday.

From Surrey Live (https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/epsom-crash-live-updates-lorry-20654389)
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Epsom crash: Updates as lorry hits railway bridge

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The A24 High Street in Epsom was blocked in both directions and trains were disrupted after a HGV struck a railway bridge.

An image posted on Twitter by Surrey's Roads Policing Unit (RPU) showed the lorry wedged under the bridge in Hook Road on Friday (May 21).

A Surrey Police spokesperson said at 4.55pm on Friday: "We are currently at East Street in Epsom following a collision involving a HGV.

"The street remains partially closed whilst emergency services are on scene.

"At this time, the railway line below remains closed, limiting services in the area. Please check before you travel."

The incident, which took place at around 3.40pm, caused delays on surrounding routes and numerous emergency services attended.

The road reopened at around 7pm on Friday and there were no reported injuries, according to Surrey's RPU.


That's not the High Street under the bridge, it's Hook Road which leads to East Street, which leads to High Street.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on May 23, 2021, 11:34:01
The railway line is ABOVE, not “below” too.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: jamestheredengine on May 23, 2021, 15:54:56
I wonder how fast he was going to end up with the cab facing that way!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 23, 2021, 17:17:26
I wonder how fast he was going to end up with the cab facing that way!

I'm not sure that is the cab. Looks like a van coming the other way but not mentioned in the report.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightonedee on May 23, 2021, 18:13:50
Yes - looks like a Mercedes Sprinter van, whose driver must have had a very nasty shock, although perhaps its failure to give way contributed to the accident?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 24, 2021, 10:06:52
Yes - looks like a Mercedes Sprinter van, whose driver must have had a very nasty shock, although perhaps its failure to give way contributed to the accident?

That trailer should fit under a 15’6


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on May 24, 2021, 10:11:55
Yes - looks like a Mercedes Sprinter van, whose driver must have had a very nasty shock, although perhaps its failure to give way contributed to the accident?

That trailer should fit under a 15’6

The trailer might have fitted if it had been central as advised.  The tilt suggests that it was not.  A last minute reaction to the presence of the sprinter perhaps? 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on May 24, 2021, 10:27:41
Yes - looks like a Mercedes Sprinter van, whose driver must have had a very nasty shock, although perhaps its failure to give way contributed to the accident?

That trailer should fit under a 15’6

The trailer might have fitted if it had been central as advised.  The tilt suggests that it was not.  A last minute reaction to the presence of the sprinter perhaps? 

I don't think that's physically possible - it takes more than a vehicle's length to steer it all, including the rear wheels, sideways. Given where the artic ended up, it can't have pulled out from the left side at all. It should have waited until it was clear to pull out, and that involves waiting for any traffic the other way to stop to wait for it.  It can only advance under the bridge once that has been done. Clearly, that didn't happen.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 24, 2021, 11:18:48
To be fair, we can't really say what happened. We might guess that one or other vehicle was in the wrong place, but that would be the kind of conjecture we'd frown on if this were a train crash... It can be surprising where things end up when they are deflected by other vehicles, or robust masonry.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on May 24, 2021, 18:04:22
To be fair, we can't really say what happened. We might guess that one or other vehicle was in the wrong place, but that would be the kind of conjecture we'd frown on if this were a train crash... It can be surprising where things end up when they are deflected by other vehicles, or robust masonry.
If only there was a “road accident investigation branch”.  It would probably need to employ thousands though…

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 24, 2021, 18:12:21
Yes - looks like a Mercedes Sprinter van, whose driver must have had a very nasty shock, although perhaps its failure to give way contributed to the accident?

That trailer should fit under a 15’6

A close up on Google Streetview tells me that the height restriction on the left is 13ft, whatever that might be in normal measurements.
https://goo.gl/maps/hPF2ZEbFAzQ5vawv9


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 24, 2021, 20:12:15
It's three and a quarter zebras, or just over two ants.  :)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on May 25, 2021, 11:20:08
It's three and a quarter zebras, or just over two ants.  :)

I do wish people would use measurements that are in common and understandable use, such as the Olympic Swimming Pool.   I heard that one used by someone on TV yesterday in relation to the sensitivity of a dog's sense of smell......made it completely clear !  :)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: johnneyw on May 25, 2021, 11:45:38
What I want to know is how many Olympic sized swimming pools go into a country the size of Wales?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: jamestheredengine on May 25, 2021, 11:54:40
What I want to know is how many Olympic sized swimming pools go into a country the size of Wales?
A smidgin under 17 million.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 25, 2021, 11:59:38
Surrey police have released dash cam footage of the Epsom bridge incident. I hope the Waitrose driver is ok.

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1397133056331370499

I don't know if you can embed tweets on this forum


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on May 25, 2021, 12:13:29
the size of Wales?

and/or Whales ??


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on May 25, 2021, 12:15:59
Surrey police have released dash cam footage of the Epsom bridge incident. I hope the Waitrose driver is ok.

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1397133056331370499

I don't know if you can embed tweets on this forum
Van driver exonerated.
Lorry driver seems 100% to blame.
Can/will random dash cam recording be used as evidence?

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 25, 2021, 13:03:23
Different police forces vary in their attitude to dashcam evidence. That Surrey Police have released this in their tweet suggests they do use such evidence.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on May 25, 2021, 17:54:46
Has someone sent CfN a trigger warning? Maybe the traditional version would be best: "this may be unsuitable for Waitrose drivers of a nervous disposition". 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightonedee on May 25, 2021, 18:17:14
I apologise for my speculation in my earlier post, and hope that the unfortunate van driver is Ok.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 25, 2021, 19:41:48
Surrey police have released dash cam footage of the Epsom bridge incident. I hope the Waitrose driver is ok.

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1397133056331370499

I don't know if you can embed tweets on this forum
Van driver exonerated.
Lorry driver seems 100% to blame.
Can/will random dash cam recording be used as evidence?

Paul

Lorry driver 100% to blame for the accident, however in my opinion it was inconsiderate for the van driver to wait in traffic in a position that may obstruct oncoming traffic.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 26, 2021, 21:09:54
Has someone sent CfN a trigger warning? Maybe the traditional version would be best: "this may be unsuitable for Waitrose drivers of a nervous disposition". 

No, you don't need to send me any trigger warning: I sense such things, through The Force.  ;D

However, you do place me in something of a difficult situation: as our frequent readers will know by now, I am a Waitrose grocery delivery van driver - and a lead driver assessor.  I will not comment further (if indeed at all) until I have seen the full footage of that incident.

Chris from Nailsea.  :-X



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on June 29, 2021, 10:34:16
Is this the new way to get under low bridges? https://twitter.com/MPSRTPC/status/1408333080734015493 (https://twitter.com/MPSRTPC/status/1408333080734015493)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 29, 2021, 13:19:05
Is this the new way to get under low bridges? https://twitter.com/MPSRTPC/status/1408333080734015493 (https://twitter.com/MPSRTPC/status/1408333080734015493)

If I've understood this correctly, the lorry fell across the pavement and a cycle path close to a school entrance not long after the kids had gone in... The possible consequences don't bear thinking about.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2021, 09:35:40
The consequences for drivers of buses can be extreme, although nothing like as extreme as those suffered by passengers. The Independent reports:

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Bus driver jailed for crashing double decker carrying 74 children into bridge
Charlene Rodrigues  10 hrs ago


A bus driver has been jailed after injuring 41 children by crashing a double-decker into a railway bridge.

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© PA One schoolgirl described the bus as “powering through the tunnel”.

Three students were left permanently scarred after Martin Walker, 37, took a wrong turn before slamming the vehicle into the bridge last September.

Winchester Crown Court heard how the bus had been carrying 74 pupils aged between 11 and 16 to Henry Beaufort School in Winchester, Hampshire.

Nicholas Cotter, prosecuting, told the court that Stagecoach employee Walker had been taking the route for the first time when he drove the 13ft 11in high bus under the 12ft bridge in Wellhouse Lane at a speed of 10mph.

(Continues at source (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bus-driver-jailed-for-crashing-double-decker-carrying-74-children-into-bridge/ar-AALYAZF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531))

Edit: Fixed markup - Red Squirrel


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on July 14, 2021, 03:06:38
Unless there existed some extreme extenuating circumstance of which I am not aware, then I agree with the verdict of the court.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 18, 2021, 15:50:23
A collision with Taplow railway bridge last night cost the lives of the three young men in the car. RIP.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Marlburian on August 18, 2021, 16:20:08
GetReading report (https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/three-men-killed-after-bmw-21340365)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on August 27, 2021, 13:24:55
Lowden, near Chippenham today, 27th August 2021. Someone has lost their hire deposit. Don't think it'll buff out.

https://wiltshiretoday.co.uk/chippenham-railway-bridge-lorry-severely-damaged/

(https://i.ibb.co/MVzCf42/IMG-43241.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on August 27, 2021, 16:31:11
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A small U-Drive hire lorry carrying wedding supplies, including a dance floor, smashed into the bridge in an attempt to squeeze through.

I suspect it may affect a wedding reception somewhere  also.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: chopper1944 on August 27, 2021, 17:18:54
Is it not time for these old style arch bridges to be replaced on an ongoing basis throughout the country with their modern precast counterparts?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on August 27, 2021, 18:23:47
Is it not time for these old style arch bridges to be replaced on an ongoing basis throughout the country with their modern precast counterparts?

Nah. It's time there were stiffer penalties for such incidents. Knowing the height of your vehicle isn't difficult.

And in many cases, replacing an arch with a span won't increase the headroom without raising the trackbed or lowering the road. Neither are cost effective.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on August 27, 2021, 18:39:26
Is it not time for these old style arch bridges to be replaced on an ongoing basis throughout the country with their modern precast counterparts?

Why? - the cost would be huge for what benefit?  The bridge is perfectly serviceable and it is on a narrow minor residential road, which a vehicle of this type should not be using.  If we were to follow your argument the whole mile of Lowden and Audley road should be upgraded to a full 7.3 metre width which would involve demolishing most of the houses!  When it is paralleled by Bath Road and Marshfield Road only a few hundred metres to the east and by Bath Road and Hungerdown Lane a similar distance to the west.  Both routes have old arch bridges, but without the height restriction.  

Totally unnecessary.  

Also amount of CO2 emitted to produce the concrete would also be huge.  


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on August 28, 2021, 14:27:11

Also amount of CO2 emitted to produce the concrete would also be huge.  

Not necessarily. Factor in the carbon saving from having shorter trips by larger vehicles, and I'm sure an accountant working for a supplier of concrete to bridge builders could make it carbon neutral. The government could award stiffcuts to the best ones, which can be sold to anyone making a bridge out of burning virgin mahogany so they can call it "green". This sort of thing works very well in the electricity supply industry.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on August 29, 2021, 09:39:07

Also amount of CO2 emitted to produce the concrete would also be huge.  

Not necessarily. Factor in the carbon saving from having shorter trips by larger vehicles, and I'm sure an accountant working for a supplier of concrete to bridge builders could make it carbon neutral. The government could award stiffcuts to the best ones, which can be sold to anyone making a bridge out of burning virgin mahogany so they can call it "green". This sort of thing works very well in the electricity supply industry.

The construction industry know that the CO2 involved in making concrete is a problem.  It is made by burning limestone and clay in a kiln! The cost of the energy for this was previously the problem, now it is the CO2 as well. Oh and what with the limestone being calcium carbonate the heat releases CO2 from the limestone. They also know the amount of CO2 released by quarrying and transporting the aggregate is also high. 

The construction industry is working on alternatives but the most practical solution at the moment is to use less of it!

As an side this is why the Treasury's idiotic insistence of the contractor making HS2 maintenance free is hugely damaging to its green credentials.  Embankments suddenly became buried viaducts made of concrete so they did not settle!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on August 30, 2021, 17:28:52
Another one bites the dust. Ashford Hill Plymouth. Seems to have lifted the bridge a few inches. However the front top is not damaged, so did it roll down the hill?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58387682


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on August 30, 2021, 18:56:30
Another one bites the dust. Ashford Hill Plymouth. Seems to have lifted the bridge a few inches. However the front top is not damaged, so did it roll down the hill?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58387682

Lines closed. Fun. What happened to the alternative via Tavistock?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Lee on August 30, 2021, 19:10:14
Another one bites the dust. Ashford Hill Plymouth. Seems to have lifted the bridge a few inches. However the front top is not damaged, so did it roll down the hill?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58387682

Lines closed. Fun. What happened to the alternative via Tavistock?

Booking.yeah! (https://www.booking.com/hotel/gb/porter-39-s-office-tavistock-railway-station.en-gb.html)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on August 30, 2021, 19:23:58
From GWR.com

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Bridge struck by a lorry
A lorry has collided with a railway bridge, causing damage to the bridge structure. The bridge is being examined by structural engineers and may be closed for some time.

Customer Advice
Train services between Newton Abbot and Plymouth are currently suspended and you are advised not to travel between these stations.

Train services are running between Plymouth and Penzance, between Exmouth, Exeter St Davids and Paignton as well as between Exeter St Davids and London Paddington.

Replacement road transport
Extremely limited replacement road transport has been sourced to run between Exeter St. Davids and Plymouth. Passengers are advised not to travel between these stations.

Night Riviera Sleeper Services
Due to the line between Newton Abbot and Plymouth being closed, our sleeper train services are cancelled.

23:45 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids, Plymouth and Penzance.
21:45 Penzance to Plymouth, Exeter St Davids, and London Paddington
If you are booked onto our Night Riviera sleeper train services, please contact us on 0345 700 0125 or contact GWR customer services and social media online.

Tickets and refunds
If you are affected by this disruption, you are able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Find out more about claiming a refund or rebooking your journey.

Where services can operate, they are expected to be busier than normal. Please check before you travel.

 


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on August 30, 2021, 19:39:53
Another one bites the dust. Ashford Hill Plymouth. Seems to have lifted the bridge a few inches. However the front top is not damaged, so did it roll down the hill?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58387682

It's a steep hill (as well as being very narrow and very low indeed - 10'9" - somewhere only an idiot would take a vehicle like that!). Over the 10 m or so of the road length under the bridge, the road rises by nearly 1 m! So the lorry struck the bridge from the underside and pushed several stones out of the arch in the facing. How much of the bridge's strength is provided by that facing layer of stone, given that most of the bridge and the track isn't directly above it, I wouldn't like to guess


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 30, 2021, 19:47:43
A couple of screen shot photos attached from media.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on August 30, 2021, 20:51:35
Very similar situation regarding the road layout to the recent Chippenham incident by the sounds of it. 

It's a steep hill (as well as being very narrow and very low indeed - 10'9" - somewhere only an idiot would take a vehicle like that!). Over the 10 m or so of the road length under the bridge, the road rises by nearly 1 m! So the lorry struck the bridge from the underside and pushed several stones out of the arch in the facing. How much of the bridge's strength is provided by that facing layer of stone, given that most of the bridge and the track isn't directly above it, I wouldn't like to guess



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: plymothian on August 30, 2021, 23:10:46
The bridge deck has moved enough to split the concrete sleepers on the up line.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on August 30, 2021, 23:17:47
Tesco (or its logistics provider) should contribute to the repair bill. Every little helps.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on August 30, 2021, 23:41:09
Tesco (or its logistics provider) should contribute to the repair bill. Every little helps.

Pay the whole cost in my view, not just a contribution. The cost of this would concentrate their minds a bit on the importance of  employing only drivers who can read, understand, and act upon height restriction signs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 31, 2021, 06:57:47
Tesco (or its logistics provider) should contribute to the repair bill. Every little helps.

Pay the whole cost in my view, not just a contribution. The cost of this would concentrate their minds a bit on the importance of  employing only drivers who can read, understand, and act upon height restriction signs.

I suspect this driver won’t be employed any more by them, but with the huge shortage unless the DVLA revoked his entitlement he’ll find alternative work easy


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 31, 2021, 09:12:38
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 31, 2021, 15:28:32
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.

The lorry branded for Tesco, will be owned and operated by a logistics company and insured through them. The only cost to Tesco will be reputations damaged by the lorry branding.
Keystone were the Tesco contractor 10 years or so ago not sure if they still are


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on August 31, 2021, 15:32:03
Two more today, one at Romsey and the other near Luton!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on August 31, 2021, 15:41:38
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.

The lorry branded for Tesco, will be owned and operated by a logistics company and insured through them. The only cost to Tesco will be reputations damaged by the lorry branding.
Keystone were the Tesco contractor 10 years or so ago not sure if they still are

In their apology quoted in Devon Live and Cornwall Live Tesco have mentioned their "logistics partner".


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on September 01, 2021, 14:48:35
...........and another................

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19551235.hgv-gets-stuck-bridge-south-marston/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 01, 2021, 22:00:39
...........and another................

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19551235.hgv-gets-stuck-bridge-south-marston/

And another ...

Quote
Incident created
01/09/2021 07:47
Route affected
Between Birmingham International and Aberystwyth, and also between Machynlleth and Pwllheli
 
Train operator affected
Transport for Wales;
Description
Disruption between Machynlleth and Dovey Junction due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge in the Machynlleth area earlier today has now ended.

See https://www.facebook.com/robert.fielding1/posts/10160325454933115

Quote
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/macstrike.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 03, 2021, 21:23:29
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.

The lorry branded for Tesco, will be owned and operated by a logistics company and insured through them. The only cost to Tesco will be reputations damaged by the lorry branding.
Keystone were the Tesco contractor 10 years or so ago not sure if they still are

In their apology quoted in Devon Live and Cornwall Live Tesco have mentioned their "logistics partner".

Whoever it was need not bother asking about protecting the no claims bonus. The bill will run into a pretty penny once everyone affected has put in a claim. I'm surprised I haven't started to receive text messages from shyster lawyers asking if I was affected by it. Every little helps.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 07, 2021, 23:57:41
From Plymouth Live (https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/network-rail-apologises-after-workers-5883461)

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Network Rail has apologised to residents in the Mannamead area after one angry local resident was kept awake by workers who were chopping down trees in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Workers were filmed using chainsaws and chopping down trees at the Ashford Hill Bridge which was the centre of chaos last Monday when a lorry became stuck underneath the bridge, halting trains across the region.

[snip]

The company explained that staff were working tooth and nail into the early hours of Sunday to make sure the maintenance work could be finished on time, when it was promised to be.

The company admits some of the work was carried out through the night, but added that this was to make sure the bridge could be reopened as quickly and as safely as possible.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on September 08, 2021, 07:15:21
Despite the inconvenience to local residents, night time noisy works are in my view justified in cases of urgency. The complaints should be directed at the truck operator and not at those doing the repairs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on September 11, 2021, 01:08:01
Yet another muppet goods vehicle driver. St Austell this time and fortunately no bridge damage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-58514214


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 21, 2021, 12:20:32
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.

The lorry branded for Tesco, will be owned and operated by a logistics company and insured through them. The only cost to Tesco will be reputations damaged by the lorry branding.
Keystone were the Tesco contractor 10 years or so ago not sure if they still are

In their apology quoted in Devon Live and Cornwall Live Tesco have mentioned their "logistics partner".
Tesco own Booker so possibly them.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 22, 2021, 14:29:25
I'd presume the cost of repair will ultimately be borne by Tesco's fleet insurer.

The lorry branded for Tesco, will be owned and operated by a logistics company and insured through them. The only cost to Tesco will be reputations damaged by the lorry branding.
Keystone were the Tesco contractor 10 years or so ago not sure if they still are

In their apology quoted in Devon Live and Cornwall Live Tesco have mentioned their "logistics partner".
Tesco own Booker so possibly them.
No.
Tesco and bookers both use a logistics contractor.
Think keystone, DHL, stobarts, etc these and many others all operate trucks on behalf of supermarkets


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on September 23, 2021, 19:14:58
And another! (https://www.facebook.com/HighPeakLive/posts/889146498394587)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 13:30:07
And another! (https://www.facebook.com/HighPeakLive/posts/889146498394587)

That one has to be the last word. A railway carriage hitting a railway bridge from below - I don't recall seeing that one before!
(https://scontent.fbrs4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/242577376_889146455061258_8073544280652032124_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=b32KIpITe4IAX87HJeV&tn=bgFBUFfD01hWVWT1&_nc_ht=scontent.fbrs4-2.fna&oh=4da5986856c5d8091cde45dcfaac0164&oe=6172E68C)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 24, 2021, 14:04:50
!!!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Witham Bobby on September 24, 2021, 15:16:17
OOOps!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on September 24, 2021, 15:20:36
Where?

The coach looks like a write off. Just shows how musch crashworthiness has improved it would be interesting to see how a Mark 3 would have come out of it. Must have been doing a considerable speed.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on September 24, 2021, 16:33:57
It looks like the one used in the Mission Impossible film crash...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-58668155 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-58668155)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/444E/production/_120668471_241543872_140569168292418_7475058099072192044_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 19:00:54
Where?

The coach looks like a write off. Just shows how musch crashworthiness has improved it would be interesting to see how a Mark 3 would have come out of it. Must have been doing a considerable speed.

I think it was already a wreck when it got wrecked.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on September 24, 2021, 19:45:58
I wonder if, while it was being transported, the carriage sagged a bit more in the centre, causing the front to rise a bit, so that the calculated clearance under the bridge disappeared?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 22:03:11
I wonder if, while it was being transported, the carriage sagged a bit more in the centre, causing the front to rise a bit, so that the calculated clearance under the bridge disappeared?

That's what I thought. Apparently, an escorting police officer was watching it go through the bridge, suggesting that the normal certainty of height could not be relied upon.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on September 25, 2021, 06:37:02
Apparently, all was not exactly what it seemed.....

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww255/PhilWakely/freda.jpg)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on September 29, 2021, 15:57:40
https://wiltshiretoday.co.uk/great-western-way-van-becomes-wedged-railway-bridge/

Another one today in Swindon


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on September 30, 2021, 15:45:24
Apparently, all was not exactly what it seemed.....

…and a week on from that non-story the tabloids have all just repeated it, quoting the Sun’s version…  ::)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on October 02, 2021, 11:58:45
https://www.chimewhistle.co.uk/page/blog
Have just come across this site which seems useful in all sorts of ways


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 02, 2021, 12:59:00
Quote
Signage requests that users telephone signaller before crossing, but no telephones have ever been provided at crossing. All services are now being cautioned across the crossing while a solution is found.
!!!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on October 05, 2021, 11:28:14
OK, not railway, but variation on a theme (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-58798868)

Oops!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on October 07, 2021, 16:44:53
Another variation: not a vehicle striking a bridge, but a beam falling from the bridge at Worcester Foregate Street nearly striking a pedestrian.

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/19632289.beam-falls-foregate-street-railway-bridge-narrowly-missing-man (https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/19632289.beam-falls-foregate-street-railway-bridge-narrowly-missing-man)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Witham Bobby on October 08, 2021, 12:04:04
Another variation: not a vehicle striking a bridge, but a beam falling from the bridge at Worcester Foregate Street nearly striking a pedestrian.

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/19632289.beam-falls-foregate-street-railway-bridge-narrowly-missing-man (https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/19632289.beam-falls-foregate-street-railway-bridge-narrowly-missing-man)

Whoops.

Doesn't inspire confidence in the inspection and maintenance regime

What a blessing that no one was hurt!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2021, 13:35:39
Reports of bridge strike Hungerford High St as I type. I'm on the 1236 Paddington to Exeter. We're being held at Hungerford awaiting inspection by a Mobile Operations Manager.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Lee on October 14, 2021, 14:04:32
We're being held at Hungerford awaiting inspection by a Mobile Operations Manager.

Will he/she be frisking passengers for extra cans of Tribute?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2021, 14:22:22
We're being held at Hungerford awaiting inspection by a Mobile Operations Manager.

Will he/she be frisking passengers for extra cans of Tribute?

I've had to down grade to a Carlsberg!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 14, 2021, 14:43:09
We're being held at Hungerford awaiting inspection by a Mobile Operations Manager.

Will he/she be frisking passengers for extra cans of Tribute?
Why "he/she"? MOM can only be she!

Hope your delay isn't too long/arduous BNM.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Timmer on October 14, 2021, 14:46:00
Hope your delay isn't too long/arduous BNM.
Why? Because BNM has had to downgrade to Carlsberg?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 13, 2021, 15:46:10
Own goal.............


https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19715361.rail-replacement-bus-stuck-underneath-bridge-brighton/?ref=twtrec


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on November 13, 2021, 17:55:39
Own goal.............


https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19715361.rail-replacement-bus-stuck-underneath-bridge-brighton/?ref=twtrec

Does that count as a railway bridge? It goes under the main entrance to the station, with only pedestrians and a few vehicles in the building on top.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 13, 2021, 18:57:21
Own goal.............


https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19715361.rail-replacement-bus-stuck-underneath-bridge-brighton/?ref=twtrec

Not sure why the Argus is trying to contact Brighton and Hove Buses. That bus looks to be from Go-Ahead London. Brighton and Hove Buses is also owned by Go-Ahead though.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on November 17, 2021, 14:54:59
ICMYI https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-59320761 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-59320761)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on November 29, 2021, 09:02:30
Somebody is going to get a big bill! (https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/most-bashed-bridge-hit-again-8523550)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 06, 2021, 20:08:51
No, this isn't a railway bridge, but it might as well be! From the BBC, three days ago: (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59518516)
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Lorry hits Widnes road gantry in rush hour crash

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DAFF/production/_121936065_9a802f1e-49ca-4912-9d2b-33e27c280f96.jpg)
The top of the lorry, apparently a tipper truck, was left leaning on the gantry

A lorry has crashed into a road gantry, leaving part of the vehicle propped up against the structure and causing widespread delays.

It happened on the A562 Speke Road in Widnes, Cheshire, at about 06:40 GMT, police said.

Nobody was injured but work is under way to remove the lorry part and check the gantry, near the Hale Road slip road, for stability.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Marlburian on January 12, 2022, 15:05:10
Another bridge strike at Langley (https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/19841999.reading-train-services-cancelled-car-crashes-bridge/)

Assuming that the Reading Chronicle has used the correct picture, it looks like the same bridge that has been struck several times before.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on January 12, 2022, 16:58:41
Yep Langley Station Bridge is one of the regulars.

I see Modern Railway has takenb up one of my Magdeburg solutions, a rigid RSJ at bridge height a few metres in front ot the bridge.

It's  a pity more bridges are protected by my second solution of 600Volt tram wires. But then we are anti tram in this country.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on January 28, 2022, 15:00:59
Another one today in Hungerford.
The Newbury Weekly News has the story with picture:
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/trains-delayed-after-lorry-strikes-hungerford-rail-bridge-9237454/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: KenB on January 28, 2022, 19:15:37
And Downton are a local company, the driver must have beem under the bridge before.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on January 28, 2022, 22:06:28
And Downton are a local company, the driver must have beem under the bridge before.

Whilst it's possible the driver is based at the former CM Downton site in Thatcham its also possible they are from one of many EV Cargo Logistics (CM Downton's name following acquisition) sites in the UK. To my mind, hitting the bridge is an indication they were in an unfamiliar area. Although I will concede its equally possible its a local driver who had a brain fart.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 01, 2022, 13:26:52
Downton is a name I associate with a depot at Moreton Valence on the A38.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on February 01, 2022, 17:06:03
Downton is a name I associate with a depot at Moreton Valence on the A38.

Whereas I always think Highclere Castle, whether I want to or not.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on March 13, 2022, 10:19:29
It might be 39 days since the last post but they are still happening. An old favourite, Burnham, again
https://twitter.com/tvprp/status/1502368233101447170?cxt=HHwWhMC-_db8vdkpAAAA (https://twitter.com/tvprp/status/1502368233101447170?cxt=HHwWhMC-_db8vdkpAAAA)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on March 13, 2022, 15:00:16
The twitter report linked to in the previous test included an advert "book an eye test now" How very apt !

I remain of the opinion that this sort of thing needs to be taken much more seriously.
The driver, or more realistically their insurers, should be required to pay the full costs resulting from their negligence, delay minutes, costs of inspection, and any repairs.

A six month driving ban for the first bridge strike, 5 years for the second offence, and never allowed to drive again for the third offence.

Similar for striking level crossing gates.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on March 13, 2022, 15:10:01
No, this isn't a railway bridge, but it might as well be! From the BBC, three days ago: (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59518516)
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Lorry hits Widnes road gantry in rush hour crash

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DAFF/production/_121936065_9a802f1e-49ca-4912-9d2b-33e27c280f96.jpg)
The top of the lorry, apparently a tipper truck, was left leaning on the gantry

A lorry has crashed into a road gantry, leaving part of the vehicle propped up against the structure and causing widespread delays.

It happened on the A562 Speke Road in Widnes, Cheshire, at about 06:40 GMT, police said.

Nobody was injured but work is under way to remove the lorry part and check the gantry, near the Hale Road slip road, for stability.


Regarding this particular collision, how was the obstruction removed ?

The obvious way would be to attach a chain or steel cable to the rear and haul it from a safe distance, in order that the front end comes free of the gantry and crashes to the ground.
Attaching the chain or cable would be very dangerous if the obstruction slid along the road as it might.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on March 17, 2022, 15:04:00
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A lorry has overturned after striking a notorious bridge in Farnham. Wrecclesham Road is currently blocked with the large vehicle having tipped on its side.

In a post on social media, Surrey Police's road unit said the driver had failed to adhere to the height restrictions. This resulted in the HGV striking the bridge and flipping over.

They've warned drivers that clearing the vehicle may take some time. Motorists might want to find a different route in the meantime or allow extra time for their journey.

(https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article23416191.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_FOCyTpAXoAc2-eI.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article23416204.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_FOCyTpCXMAMqxjn.jpg)

I believe this bridge carries the railway line between Farnham and Alton.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/lorry-overturns-after-striking-a325-23415784 (https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/lorry-overturns-after-striking-a325-23415784)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on March 17, 2022, 17:57:58
"Notorious bridge" !

A better wording might be "the road haulage industry is notorious for ignoring the height restriction at this bridge"

I again suggest a six month driving ban for the first offence, 5 years for second offence, and a lifetime ban for any third offence.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 19:15:11
Just over a mile west of Farnham station, it’s one of the comparatively rare bridges with anti-collision beams fitted both sides. 

Paul


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on March 17, 2022, 21:09:44
And another one...

(https://news.stv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/43ae6df91993b892c801138dc3b59767-1280x720.jpg)

Quote
There was traffic disruption in Anniesland after a lorry carrying bales of hay became stuck under a bridge.

The incident happened on Thursday afternoon shortly after 3pm on Bearsden Road.

Footage and pictures were posted online showing the vehicle unable to move.

Drivers indicated that there was a short tailback created as a result of the incident.

Loose bales of hale could also be seen on the road after the lorry collided with the bridge.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “Around 3.15 pm on Thursday, March 17, 2022, police attended a report of a HGV stuck under a bridge in Bearsden Road, Glasgow.

“There were no reports of any injuries and the road was reopened around 6.30pm.”

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/lorry-carrying-bales-of-hay-becomes-stuck-under-railway-bridge-in-glasgows-anniesland (https://news.stv.tv/west-central/lorry-carrying-bales-of-hay-becomes-stuck-under-railway-bridge-in-glasgows-anniesland)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 23:10:44
That must be the final straw for the driver…  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: RichT54 on March 18, 2022, 08:55:50
That must be the final straw for the driver…  ;D

Perhaps he should be remanded on bale?  ;D


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: PhilWakely on March 18, 2022, 09:35:53
That must be the final straw for the driver…  ;D

Perhaps he should be remanded on bale?  ;D

Perhaps he was coming to the end of his shift and looking forward to hitting the hay.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 18, 2022, 12:43:25
That must be the final straw for the driver…  ;D

Perhaps he should be remanded on bale?  ;D

Perhaps he was coming to the end of his shift and looking forward to hitting the hay.
He might be retired, put out to grass.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 18, 2022, 20:03:15
The driver deserves a damn good threshing.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on March 18, 2022, 21:15:48
Just over a mile west of Farnham station, it’s one of the comparatively rare bridges with anti-collision beams fitted both sides. 

Paul

Yes, it's notorious for that.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on March 18, 2022, 21:18:58
The driver deserves a damn good threshing.
I wonder if his excuses afterwards were based on a straw man argument?  ;D



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 18, 2022, 23:08:51
Ignoring the signs. Not knowing the height of your load.

You reap what you sow.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on April 19, 2022, 14:33:38
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/20077698.live-a36-closed-lorry-crashes-wilton-bridge/

Another one today in Wilton.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 30, 2022, 12:48:21
WARNING - This next story comes from the Daily Mail. I apologise. If you have an old or slow computer or phone it may take a long time to load.

from the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10762483/Toilet-roll-lorry-crashes-low-railway-bridge-London-sparking-traffic-chaos.html)
Quote
Totally wiped out! Toilet roll lorry crashes into low railway bridge in London, sparking traffic chaos with roads gridlocked and South Eastern train services suspended


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on May 12, 2022, 08:35:08
Delays to services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill
Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge between Westbury and Castle Cary the line is closed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 12/05.
Train services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill may be delayed

Bridge appears to be to the west of Westbury.
Also posted same on Transwilts page


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on May 28, 2022, 20:28:34
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-61618365


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on June 15, 2022, 16:11:28
https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/20209907.bus-stuck-railway-bridge-oxford/

Today in Oxford. A bus under the Botley Road railway bridge.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on June 23, 2022, 21:00:36
https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/20209907.bus-stuck-railway-bridge-oxford/

Today in Oxford. A bus under the Botley Road railway bridge.

That's odd. I'm sure I have been under that bridge in a double deck bus within the past month.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on June 23, 2022, 22:41:51
There are buses, and Botley Road buses. One is shorter than the other.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on June 27, 2022, 17:40:11
There are buses, and Botley Road buses. One is shorter than the other.

That's a bit dangerous, isn't it?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on June 27, 2022, 17:59:13
There are buses, and Botley Road buses. One is shorter than the other.

That's a bit dangerous, isn't it?

Only in one direction.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on June 28, 2022, 15:22:04
https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/a36-wilton-lorry-crash-live-7265285

It's that Wilton bridge again today.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on June 28, 2022, 16:50:48
It is not just railway bridges, the Hanging Chapel at Langport was struck by an HGV two months ago and the road is still closed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-61896518


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on June 30, 2022, 09:09:07
Maybe bridge strikes can be a job for the new Road Safety Investigation Branch (RSIB)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-countrys-first-ever-investigation-branch-focused-on-road-safety (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-countrys-first-ever-investigation-branch-focused-on-road-safety)

But might be too mundane for a body whose remit includes "provide real insight into how new technologies – such as self-driving and electric vehicles – can be rolled out on our roads".


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on July 01, 2022, 06:53:31
and it is not only the bridges that suffers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61996652 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61996652)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on July 18, 2022, 15:44:23
https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/a36-lorry-crash-live-wilton-7346662

That bridge in Wilton again today. That's at least the third time this year that it has been hit.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on July 18, 2022, 21:27:30
https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/a36-lorry-crash-live-wilton-7346662

That bridge in Wilton again today. That's at least the third time this year that it has been hit.

Ah, it takes a lot of scrolling down to understand what hit the bridge (Clue - It wasn't the tanker). I had been scratching my head trying to work out how the tanker in the first photo could have been too tall to do that, so assumed it must have been a side strike.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on July 19, 2022, 16:19:04
There are buses, and Botley Road buses. One is shorter than the other.

That's a bit dangerous, isn't it?

Not if correctly allocated and managed. I know of a double decker route with a 14’5 bridge. Multiple operators run double deckers underneath. Those operators have double deckers ranging from 13’10 to 14’10 in their fleets. There has been no incidents at that bridge!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: paul7575 on July 20, 2022, 11:33:59
https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/a36-lorry-crash-live-wilton-7346662

That bridge in Wilton again today. That's at least the third time this year that it has been hit.

Ah, it takes a lot of scrolling down to understand what hit the bridge (Clue - It wasn't the tanker). I had been scratching my head trying to work out how the tanker in the first photo could have been too tall to do that, so assumed it must have been a side strike.
There’s a quote from a car driver that it was the corner of a container, and the truck then carried on through, then confirmed by the police via Network Rail that the truck driver failed to stop afterwards.

That reads to me as if the container was clear of the bridge if accurately centred between the vertical lines?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on August 10, 2022, 20:11:21
From my South Western Railway email alerts here are a selection of recent messages:

On 2/8/22
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We have been informed that a road vehicle has struck a bridge between Clandon and London Road (Guildford). Staff are en-route to examine the bridge. In the meantime, trains will remain at stand. 

We're sorry but we expect there may be cancellations, delays or alterations to services until 14:00.


On 3/8/22
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We have been informed of a safety inspection of the track between Clandon and Guildford. This means that the line towards Guildford is currently blocked.

Until further notice, trains between London Waterloo and Guildford via Cobham will be terminated at/started from Effingham Junction. Trains from London Waterloo to Guildford via Leatherhead will be diverted via Woking.

We have requested rail replacement buses to run between Guildford and Leatherhead and these will be in place from 17:30.

On 8/8/22
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We have been informed that a road vehicle has struck a bridge between London Road Guildford and Clandon. Staff are en-route to examine the bridge. In the meantime, trains will be unable to pass between these stations.

On 10/8/22
Quote
We have been informed that a road vehicle has struck a bridge between Clandon and Guildford. Staff are en-route to examine the bridge. In the meantime, trains are unable to run over the bridge so may be diverted or delayed.

Ok, so the alert on 3rd August may not relate to a bridge strike but do all the others this month relate to the same bridge? What is happening in this area?

Searching all my emails dating back to 2017 I see no other alerts for a bridge strike in that area.



Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on October 28, 2022, 12:05:49
Again !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-63426714


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 28, 2022, 12:44:20
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Wiltshire Police said the driver had been issued a traffic offence report for careless driving.
I don't remember reading a similar line before in these cases, but maybe it's routine and not reported.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on November 04, 2022, 09:20:53
Another one in Romsey yesterday. Nice pictures in the Hampshire Chronicle.

https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/23099754.road-blocked-lorry-strikes-railway-bridge-romsey/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 04, 2022, 20:59:49
Another one in Romsey yesterday. Nice pictures in the Hampshire Chronicle.

https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/23099754.road-blocked-lorry-strikes-railway-bridge-romsey/


I'm sure it's ok but I get this message -
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We strongly recommend you do not continue.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on November 05, 2022, 11:34:06
Bad one near Ketton this morning, a skip lorry really damaging a bridge which was only 13 ft clearance. Freight route but diversions planned fir tomorrow.
Some recent images here
https://twitter.com/staplefordtrain/status/1588848669310484483?s=61&t=jeNqiQddLzi03VAaQXLrgw


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on November 06, 2022, 16:10:09
Another one in Romsey yesterday. Nice pictures in the Hampshire Chronicle.

https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/23099754.road-blocked-lorry-strikes-railway-bridge-romsey/


The same newspaper says today that this bridge has been struck by lorries 23 times in 18 years.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bradshaw on November 06, 2022, 17:59:48
NR saying route to be closed for two weeks while repairs are undertaken

https://twitter.com/networkrailem/status/1589277421714300929?s=61&t=ahWXq3MuydkpeciDOnAyNg
From Sir Peter Hendy on Twitter
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   Just to confirm - we report every one of these to the Traffic Commissioners, who consider the suitability of the Operator and driver to continue to hold their vocational licences; and we claim for damage and delay from the operator.

https://twitter.com/sirpeterhendy/status/1588903125749882880?s=61&t=ahWXq3MuydkpeciDOnAyNg


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on November 11, 2022, 16:46:17
Bridge 1 Bus 0 !

https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/23119329.salisbury-reds-bus-crash-sees-side-ripped-off/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on November 16, 2022, 07:12:54
The most-bashed bridge, at 33 times in the last 12 months

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-63636260 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-63636260)

and

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/stories/most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-revealed/ (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/stories/most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-revealed/)

although the figures don't seem to add up.

Station Road in Langley, Berkshire gets an honourable mention with only 12 strikes.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 19, 2022, 17:24:49
It's not just buses and lorries that have been hitting bridges.

The Google Streetview car has as well.

From https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/people-left-stitches-after-spotting-28525412

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The team at Google Maps are constantly on the road taking photos of the world to keep their Street View service up to date. But despite their 15 years of experience, they still manage to make an embarrassing blunder from time to time. While venturing around Grants Road, in Newry, Northern Ireland, the Google Maps Street View car got into a spot of bother after driving under a bridge.

It seems the driver forgot just how tall its camera stands as it was knocked off part way through the bridge. A hilarious series of Street View snaps show the driver entering the bridge, a blurry shot of the camera colliding with its roof, and then the back of the car as the camera presumably hangs down out of place.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2022, 19:22:04
S that a railway bridge though?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on November 19, 2022, 20:04:54
S that a railway bridge though?

An educated guess - does the main Belfast to Dublin railway run over the top of it?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyN on November 19, 2022, 21:16:08
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An educated guess - does the main Belfast to Dublin railway run over the top of it?

Correct.

https://tinyurl.com/48v449js (https://tinyurl.com/48v449js)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 20, 2022, 23:32:09
S that a railway bridge though?

An educated guess - does the main Belfast to Dublin railway run over the top of it?

There is a railway over the bridge. I didn't look to see where it goes. Having looked on Streetview just now I see that the incident seems to have taken place in 2021 and the views were replaced in 2021. This seems to be the location. https://goo.gl/maps/ZpCebNDW4NstQQKC7


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on November 23, 2022, 10:59:13
Bad one near Ketton this morning, a skip lorry really damaging a bridge which was only 13 ft clearance. Freight route but diversions planned fir tomorrow.
Some recent images here
https://twitter.com/staplefordtrain/status/1588848669310484483?s=61&t=jeNqiQddLzi03VAaQXLrgw

Despite being one of the biggest bashes in recent times, damaging the deck so badly it (one of two) needed to be replaced, NR have just announced the line has reopened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-bridge-repaired-to-reconnect-leicester-and-peterborough):
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Railway bridge repaired to reconnect Leicester and Peterborough

This morning (23 November), rail passengers can travel between Leicester and Peterborough once again after Network Rail completes almost three weeks of extensive repairs.

Fosters bridge, which sits across the A6121 Stamford Road in Ketton, Rutland, was struck by a lorry on Saturday 5 November, putting the railway line between Leicester and Peterborough out of action.

Since then, engineers have worked around the clock to remove the damaged bridge deck, install a brand-new one and then lay fresh ballast and track over the top so that trains can use the section safely again.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on November 23, 2022, 16:57:45

Despite being one of the biggest bashes in recent times, damaging the deck so badly it (one of two) needed to be replaced, NR have just announced the line has reopened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-bridge-repaired-to-reconnect-leicester-and-peterborough):


Wonderful work, and truly astonishing. I wonder how long until the next?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on November 23, 2022, 23:29:04

Despite being one of the biggest bashes in recent times, damaging the deck so badly it (one of two) needed to be replaced, NR have just announced the line has reopened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-bridge-repaired-to-reconnect-leicester-and-peterborough):
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Railway bridge repaired to reconnect Leicester and Peterborough

This morning (23 November), rail passengers can travel between Leicester and Peterborough once again after Network Rail completes almost three weeks of extensive repairs.

Fosters bridge, which sits across the A6121 Stamford Road in Ketton, Rutland, was struck by a lorry on Saturday 5 November, putting the railway line between Leicester and Peterborough out of action.

Since then, engineers have worked around the clock to remove the damaged bridge deck, install a brand-new one and then lay fresh ballast and track over the top so that trains can use the section safely again.

New bridge deck constructed as an emergency.  That is going to cost the skip company's insurers a pretty penny.  I wouldn't like to think what their premiums might go up to at the next renewal.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 24, 2022, 20:09:22
I wonder what does get charged to the insurers?
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Bridge strikes like these have cost Network Rail – and ultimately the taxpayer – almost £12 million in delay and cancellation fees in 2021/22.
Shouldn't those delay and cancellation fees be charged to the insurers too? Or to the MIB for those that are uninsured.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on November 24, 2022, 20:16:45
I wonder what does get charged to the insurers?
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Bridge strikes like these have cost Network Rail – and ultimately the taxpayer – almost £12 million in delay and cancellation fees in 2021/22.
Shouldn't those delay and cancellation fees be charged to the insurers too? Or to the MIB for those that are uninsured.

Maybe they are. It would be consequential loss, I guess. It would still "cost" NR the same amount either way - all their outgoings are funded from some external source!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on November 24, 2022, 21:21:20
I wonder what does get charged to the insurers?
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Bridge strikes like these have cost Network Rail – and ultimately the taxpayer – almost £12 million in delay and cancellation fees in 2021/22.
Shouldn't those delay and cancellation fees be charged to the insurers too? Or to the MIB for those that are uninsured.

Maybe they are. It would be consequential loss, I guess. It would still "cost" NR the same amount either way - all their outgoings are funded from some external source!

I understand that the Great Heck crash was the largest motor insurance claim ever!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on November 30, 2022, 16:11:44

Despite being one of the biggest bashes in recent times, damaging the deck so badly it (one of two) needed to be replaced, NR have just announced the line has reopened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-bridge-repaired-to-reconnect-leicester-and-peterborough):
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Railway bridge repaired to reconnect Leicester and Peterborough

This morning (23 November), rail passengers can travel between Leicester and Peterborough once again after Network Rail completes almost three weeks of extensive repairs.

Fosters bridge, which sits across the A6121 Stamford Road in Ketton, Rutland, was struck by a lorry on Saturday 5 November, putting the railway line between Leicester and Peterborough out of action.

Since then, engineers have worked around the clock to remove the damaged bridge deck, install a brand-new one and then lay fresh ballast and track over the top so that trains can use the section safely again.

New bridge deck constructed as an emergency.  That is going to cost the skip company's insurers a pretty penny.  I wouldn't like to think what their premiums might go up to at the next renewal.

Apparently the bridge has been struck again today.  Currently the line is closed pending an inspection.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 01, 2022, 08:20:53

Despite being one of the biggest bashes in recent times, damaging the deck so badly it (one of two) needed to be replaced, NR have just announced the line has reopened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-bridge-repaired-to-reconnect-leicester-and-peterborough):


Wonderful work, and truly astonishing. I wonder how long until the next?


Apparently the bridge has been struck again today.  Currently the line is closed pending an inspection.

We didn't have to wait long. Just a week.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on December 04, 2022, 09:59:43
Something different - not a lorry for once !

https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/23168378.a30-london-road-reopens-six-hours-tractor-strikes-railway-bridge/

Same bridge as #535 I think.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on December 04, 2022, 10:21:48
Something different - not a lorry for once !

https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/23168378.a30-london-road-reopens-six-hours-tractor-strikes-railway-bridge/

Same bridge as #535 I think.

Comment on the original:

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Following the hot summer, the ground had shrunk and the railway embankment had dropped. Subsequently with the recent wet weather the ground has swelled such that the height clearance under the bridge has been reduced and is now less than that shown on the signs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on December 04, 2022, 12:33:01
Cycling down the road from Salisbury station yesterday traffic held up by a lorry trying to do a three(?) point turn before the railway bridge. Presumably some drivers do know the height of their vehicles and can read road signs.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on December 04, 2022, 15:00:50
Cycling down the road from Salisbury station yesterday traffic held up by a lorry trying to do a three(?) point turn before the railway bridge. Presumably some drivers do know the height of their vehicles and can read road signs.

... but not always in distance vision?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on December 05, 2022, 17:06:37
At last - this ought to be happening far more often!

From Network Rail (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/driver-fined-and-banned-from-driving-hgvs-for-6-months-after-jamming-lorry-under-coulsdon-railway-bridge-causing-massive-delays-in-london-surrey-and-sussex)

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Driver fined and banned from driving HGVs for 6 months after jamming lorry under Coulsdon railway bridge, causing massive delays in London, Surrey and Sussex

A driver who jammed his HGV under a bridge carrying the Brighton Main Line through Coulsdon has been banned from driving lorries for six months as a result.

The incident on 7 July this year happened at around 2.30pm on the A237 Brighton Road, just outside Coulsdon South station. The lorry became wedged under the iron girder bridge that carries the fast lines for express trains to Gatwick Airport, Haywards Heath and Brighton. The nature of the bridge meant it had to be closed until the lorry could be removed, leaving just two tracks open for the whole Brighton Main Line.

In fact it was 8.45pm before the lorry could be removed, meaning trains were disrupted right up until the end of the day as far afield as Eastbourne in the south and Bedford and Cambridge in the north.

The driver appeared before the South East Traffic Commissioner in late November to receive a six-month HGV driving ban, following an earlier court appearance where he was fined a means-tested £715 and given six points on his licence for driving without due care and attention and contravening a traffic sign.

Network Rail’s route director for Sussex, Katie Frost, said: “Well over 400 trains and thousands of passengers from across the South were disrupted by this single error of judgement, and it brings home how important it is for professional drivers to check the heights of their lorries and their routes before setting off.

“Network Rail seeks to recover costs for incidents like this one and we work closely with the Office of the Traffic Commissioner and Metropolitan Police to tackle drivers who damage our bridges.

“The fine and the ban won’t make up for the costs of the disruption but they send a message to other drivers that it’s never worth running the risk.”

Sergeant Alex Burlison from the Commercial Vehicle Unit at the Metropolitan Police Service said: “Far too often we are deploying resources to deal with these incidents which are wholly avoidable with each collision having the potential for fatal consequences.

"These drivers are entrusted to drive some of the largest vehicles on the road and it is only right that should they be involved in a collision with infrastructure of any description that they are placed before the courts.”

Piece includes a photo of the said lorry under the bridge


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bob_Blakey on December 06, 2022, 08:58:43
Error of judgment? I think not. Mathematical incompetence would be nearer the truth.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: TonyK on December 07, 2022, 19:56:19
We don't often see video of the aftermath of a bridge strike, but Luisa Bennett captured this lorry driving away after hitting a bridge in Bitton:

https://fb.watch/hgG3hC6yR6/

originally posted on the Facebook page for BBC West. The driver seemed a little unwilling to stay around - once Bitton, twice shy?


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on December 26, 2022, 15:14:19
A bit more serious than our local bridge strikes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-64086051 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-64086051)
so whatever we might think it is not a problem unique to British roads


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 20, 2023, 18:41:10
Lorry strikes bridge over A5 at Hinckly.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/live-updates-after-lorry-hits-8054422

Incidentally, I got a message "This will be the first post in this topic for 25 days" which I take as good news!


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on March 21, 2023, 17:52:47
Too obvious a (partial ?) solution ??

(https://i.postimg.cc/MGv2p3qV/2023-03-21-16-25-41.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on March 21, 2023, 19:17:13
Too obvious a (partial ?) solution ??

My understanding is that the sign is correct - "If you hit this sign, you will hit the bridge".  But I think I have read somewhere that the sign is actually a bit higher than the bridge, so the the opposite "If you clear this sign, you will clear the bridge" is NOT guaranteed.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 22, 2023, 16:44:11
Similar flappers and other audible and visual warnings are in use at various bridges, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they have much effect.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on March 23, 2023, 07:04:50
Low hanging power cables would probably more effective :)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: eXPassenger on March 23, 2023, 10:07:41
Low hanging power cables would probably more effective :)

but health and safety would then require advance notice of low power cables.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on April 18, 2023, 19:04:46
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/23464659.train-delays-wiltshire-vehicle-hits-bridge/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Clan Line on April 23, 2023, 10:49:30
Worth another look....

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23460602.moment-double-decker-bus-crushed-swindon-railway-bridge-crash/


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on April 24, 2023, 07:16:38
Should be compulsory viewing for all learner PSV/PCV drivers, and refresher for all renewals.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: GBM on April 25, 2023, 07:36:13
Firstbus now have a bridge warning alarm if there's a bridge lower than your vehicle on it's Ticketer machines.
Recently, initial checks were performed on the Ticketer before you left the depot to start your first run (rather than the paper check list previously). 
The Ticketer is gps, so knows where it is, and has the height of bridges pre programmed in nationwide.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 01, 2023, 07:48:18
Firstbus now have a bridge warning alarm if there's a bridge lower than your vehicle on it's Ticketer machines.
Recently, initial checks were performed on the Ticketer before you left the depot to start your first run (rather than the paper check list previously). 
The Ticketer is gps, so knows where it is, and has the height of bridges pre programmed in nationwide.

Stagecoach also has bridge alerts through the drive green system


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on May 01, 2023, 12:57:46
Swindon Buses have similar.  Currently with Fleming Way closed some buses are being diverted along Station Road before turning right to regain their normal route.  Where they to turn left they would come into contact with Whitehouse Bridge.  As a result the in cab alarm goes off every time they take the diversion.  Hopefully it won't lead to the drivers getting used to it and ignoring it when it really matters.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: DR7835 on May 20, 2023, 08:56:15
Slightly off-topic but very closely related:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-essex-65653429


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on May 21, 2023, 18:00:04
Oh dear ...

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Ten in hospital after bus roof cut off in Glasgow bridge crash

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-65665113

Cook Street, Glasgow.  21st May 2023. First Bus.


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 21, 2023, 22:55:49
I took a long walk today along the Celandine Route. I had to make an unexpected diversion as part of the route is blocked by an HS2 worksite and came across this. I would hope this is a visual deterrent but you never know.

Google maps location (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5738498,-0.4539345,3a,23.4y,227.17h,89.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sacTaRRkT-B2UqUXtGDgVRw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DacTaRRkT-B2UqUXtGDgVRw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.93167%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on July 08, 2023, 10:56:50
Swindon Advertiser reporting Lorry stuck under Whitehouse Road Bridge (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23642486.swindon-traffic-lorry-stuck-white-house-bridge/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on July 08, 2023, 10:58:30
More details with a photo from Wiltshire 999s (https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/traffic-van-wedged-low-bridge-swindon/).


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on July 10, 2023, 08:28:03
And another incident today

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23644064.town-centre-road-closed-another-lorry-hits-low-bridge/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23644064.town-centre-road-closed-another-lorry-hits-low-bridge/)


Title: Re: Railway bridges struck by road vehicles - merged topic, ongoing discussion
Post by: Hal on October 10, 2023, 14:17:25
https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/live-crash-blocks-major-route-8817598

Another today in Trowbridge



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