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Title: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Timmer on July 06, 2009, 17:15:12
Something new for Tony Ambrose (MTLS) to get his campaigning teeth into:
http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/travelandtransport/Row-campaigners-worry-night-flight-noise/article-1139739-detail/article.html
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Campaigners fighting expansion plans by Bristol International Airport have suggested that complaints about night-time noise from the Bath area will increase if the development is approved.

But the Stop Bristol Airport Expansion pressure group has been accused of scaremongering by bosses at the airport, which wants to increase the number of commercial flights by more than 40 per cent.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on July 07, 2009, 09:34:06
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"Mr Lyddon may work in a field which does not require him to travel, but thousands of people in the south west do rely on air links to do business.

That is why almost all of the flights from Bristol are to hot sunny places with beaches.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on July 07, 2009, 13:45:45
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"Mr Lyddon may work in a field which does not require him to travel, but thousands of people in the south west do rely on air links to do business.

That is why almost all of the flights from Bristol are to hot sunny places with beaches.

I've counted 38 destinations that are British, Irish or European cities for scheduled services and 39 charter destinations including ski resorts. So hardly 'almost all' hot sunny places with beaches. Bristol Airport was once known for mostly charter 'package holiday' flights, but this is no longer the case.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: devon_metro on July 07, 2009, 14:34:38
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"Mr Lyddon may work in a field which does not require him to travel, but thousands of people in the south west do rely on air links to do business.

That is why almost all of the flights from Bristol are to hot sunny places with beaches.

I know somebody who frequently flies to Scotland on business. Its cheaper and far, far better than a 10 hour slog on a Voyager.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2010, 04:23:57
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8606140.stm):

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One of the West Country's major transatlantic links is to cease as Continental Airlines discontinues flights between Bristol and Newark.

The route, which was opened in 2005, is not making enough money, the firm said.

A spokesman told the BBC that although the flights had good occupancy rates in the peak season, they struggle to fill planes all year round.

The last flight will be on 7 November. Ticket-holders after that date will be offered alternatives or a refund.

Continental's daily services - which have carried 400,000 people since they began, also failed to attract enough first and business class passengers, the airline said.

Campaigners say the move proves that the facility should scrap its expansion plans.

Stop Bristol Airport Expansion group spokesperson Hilary Burn said: "There is no justification for allowing the huge negative impacts on local communities that will result from Bristol airport's massive expansion plans."

An airport spokesman said they were disappointed with the decision and thought that the service had been hit by the recession.



Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 07, 2010, 05:08:14
B*ggeration. It's a useful flight that (although before I took it I had no idea that a 757-200 would make it all the way across the Atlantic without falling in). Odd that it's not making money though, when I've used it it's always seemed reasonably full, at least in cattle. However I guess if the pointy end isn't filling up with the expensive business class fares then that could impact on the profitability.

Oh well, back to Heathrow and BA it is then...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2010, 07:23:42
It is exactly as you suspect, blakey. The local TV news reported as such - not enough punters up the pointy end.

It was interesting, last night, to see BBC Points West revisiting the story that accompanied the launch of the Continental service. They sent a reporter to the Big Apple back in 2005, no doubt with cameraman and producer in tow. Strikes me as a little extravagent for local TV news, especially one funded by a license fee.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: smithy on April 07, 2010, 07:57:17
B*ggeration. It's a useful flight that (although before I took it I had no idea that a 757-200 would make it all the way across the Atlantic without falling in). Odd that it's not making money though, when I've used it it's always seemed reasonably full, at least in cattle. However I guess if the pointy end isn't filling up with the expensive business class fares then that could impact on the profitability.

Oh well, back to Heathrow and BA it is then...

i too was amazed it was operated with a 757 obviously the fuel saving from having blended winglets retrofitted has made it just about possible to cross the pond.
personally i use VS out of heathrow always seemed to be the best quality and value to me plus i prefer JFK to Newark.none the less it is a blow for the area to lose a transatlantic service it seems numerous airports are now losing these long haul services.Gatwick has lost a lot of late with operators preferring heathrow.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Brucey on April 07, 2010, 08:32:20
It was interesting, last night, to see BBC Points West revisiting the story that accompanied the launch of the Continental service. They sent a reporter to the Big Apple back in 2005, no doubt with cameraman and producer in tow. Strikes me as a little extravagent for local TV news, especially one funded by a license fee.
Probably paid for by the airline as free advertising for their service.

I think (if memory serves me correctly), that Bristol to New York is about 4000 miles.  The 757 has a range of approximately 4500 miles, which is quite surprising for an aircraft of its size.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on April 07, 2010, 08:33:01
It's a shame to loose the service; it is one we had tried (family in USA - have made the trip quite often), but it didn't really work out - the marginal convenience of Bristol rather than London in the UK was heavily outweighed by delays, and severe inconvenience and poor customer service at Newark, and when we head out next, it's already booked Heathrow to Dulles.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: moonrakerz on April 07, 2010, 08:37:34
i too was amazed it was operated with a 757 obviously the fuel saving from having blended winglets retrofitted has made it just about possible to cross the pond.

It wasn't the winglets that enabled the 757 to go transatlantic, it was the new generation of aero engines. Their much improved fuel efficiency was one factor. The main reason was their reliability. This enabled the rules concerning diversion distances, when a twin engined aircraft was down to one engine, to be drastically altered.
It's all down to ETOPS !

See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 07, 2010, 19:49:32
In fact thanks to ETOPS the majority of transatlantic flights are now twin-engined aircraft (767, 777 and A330). Flying to/from the UK I think it's only BA and Virgin who use four-engined aircraft: Virgin use them on all their routes but BA have use 777s and 767s on some of the less busy route like the Philadelphia and Denver flights. Most of the big North American carriers (e.g. American Airlines, Continental, US Airways, Air Canada) no longer have any four-engined aircraft in their fleets to my knowledge.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on April 07, 2010, 21:38:51
It may be completely irrational - but seeing four engines gives me comfort

to lose one is an accident
to lose two is careless
to lose three is a disaster

but a jumbo can still land on one


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 07, 2010, 21:48:46
Completely irrational: Air France Flight 4590 lost only one engine.  :(


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 07, 2010, 22:01:14
...whilst Air Canada 143 managed to land safely after losing both its engines. A salient lesson in not mixing up metric and imperial though - it ran out of fuel at cruising altitude. As always happens in these situations, a whole series of things had to go awry before anything went seriously wrong (which included faulty fuel sensors in this case) but one of those mistakes was to mix up kilogrammes and pounds of fuel. Oops.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Ollie on April 07, 2010, 22:02:00
Completely irrational: Air France Flight 4590 lost only one engine.  :(
I think that's a bit different though Chris?


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 07, 2010, 22:08:02
Yes, Ollie: the point we are making is that just counting the number of engines, when deciding how safe any aircraft might be, is 'completely irrational'.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: moonrakerz on April 07, 2010, 22:12:51
Yes, Ollie: the point we are making is that just counting the number of engines, when deciding how safe any aircraft might be, is 'completely irrational'.

..........just like not sitting in row 13 !


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on April 07, 2010, 22:18:01
Or always sitting at the back since most planes go down nose first.

First few times i turned right to the pointy end I got jitters at the thought of going down nose first


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2010, 23:05:08
And even losing all four engines need not lead to disaster. Okay, they got them back - but I bet Capt. Moody needed new underpants after this incident:  ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_flight_009

His PA announcement takes some beating for understatement - "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress."


And revisiting the OP, the first line of the BBC story said, "One of the West Country's major transatlantic links is to cease as Continental Airlines discontinues flights....." Surely the West Country's only transatlantic link.  ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 07, 2010, 23:07:12
I think you're forgetting the Great Western Railway's steamer service from Neyland. Oh, hang on...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2010, 23:11:45
D*mn you blakey.... I was about to post exactly the same thing. That Brunel..... he was on to something. :D


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 08, 2010, 01:25:26
I'm just not sure he envisaged it involving a connecting bus service up the A38, a Continental 757 and being dumped unceremoniously in the unpleasant environment that is immigration at Newark terminal C though...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: moonrakerz on April 08, 2010, 12:04:27
Or always sitting at the back since most planes go down nose first.

This is a long standing myth that has no basis in fact.  There is something on that subject here:-

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5433.msg51660#msg51660



Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on April 08, 2010, 12:07:08
Or always sitting at the back since most planes go down nose first.

This is a long standing myth that has no basis in fact.  There is something on that subject here:-

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5433.msg51660#msg51660



Thats why I said it was equally as irrational


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: IanC on April 08, 2010, 14:10:16
B*ggeration. It's a useful flight that (although before I took it I had no idea that a 757-200 would make it all the way across the Atlantic without falling in).

Oh well, back to Heathrow and BA it is then...

You can go from Kairdiff Airport if you like (and don't mind having a slight wait at Dublin)

Air Lingus Cardiff -> Dublin/Cork (http://www.tbicardiffairport.com/en/news/4/283/aer-lingus-and-aer-arann-franchise-takes-flight-from-cardiff.html)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: smithy on April 08, 2010, 14:32:26
i think you can also go charter to orlando on first choice although stand to be corrected.

but having said that i would still prefer to go via london on a scheduled service rather than charter where it costs shed loads in drinks etc.

personally i prefer 4 engine planes for long haul but i can understand with the reliable turbofans these days it is not a problem for twinjet to cross atlantic,but if you have problems mid way across atlantic is it really possible to divert to an airfield in the time limit stated in previous posts??


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: John R on April 08, 2010, 23:51:14
i think you can also go charter to orlando on first choice although stand to be corrected.

but having said that i would still prefer to go via london on a scheduled service rather than charter where it costs shed loads in drinks etc.

personally i prefer 4 engine planes for long haul but i can understand with the reliable turbofans these days it is not a problem for twinjet to cross atlantic,but if you have problems mid way across atlantic is it really possible to divert to an airfield in the time limit stated in previous posts??

Obviously an Orlando flight is aiming at a completely different market to the axed NY flight. But for the record the only scheduled flights to Orlando from London are from LGW, and the travel costs getting there will far outweigh a few drinks. But you do get the flexibility of more than 1 flight a week, and I doubt whether many seats are available for "flight only" passengers on the FC service from Bristol, particularly in the peak periods.

Still, whichever way you choose to fly to Orlando, it's nice once you get here!
       


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: devon_metro on April 14, 2010, 19:47:44
The South East desperately needs more capacity!



How many people travel to the South East to fly abroad though?

If I suddenly I realised I had to go to New York tomorrow, i'd be heading to Heathrow.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 14, 2010, 20:06:26
But why...? Continental's EWR service is still operating from Bristol for a few months yet! ;) Not sure if it's daily at this time of year though.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on April 14, 2010, 20:11:03
But why...? Continental's EWR service is still operating from Bristol for a few months yet! ;) Not sure if it's daily at this time of year though.

Because some of us are loyal to one airline because of the upgrades


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2010, 20:16:26
Still daily: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/booking/flight/fareCalendar.aspx  ;)


Dud link: see below!  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: caliwag on April 14, 2010, 22:02:23
well that last link didn't work I'm afraid FA
But loyality to an airline...hoho ???


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2010, 22:13:03
It was my link that failed, not FallenAngel's  :-[

Try this one: http://www.bristolairport.co.uk/flight-information/destinations/times.aspx?destination=EWR


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on April 14, 2010, 22:14:31
well that last link didn't work I'm afraid FA
But loyality to an airline...hoho ???

I've flown so many time with Virgin that I automatically get upper class upgrades.  I book premium economy either with cash or airmiles and I don't think I've not been upgraded once in the last five years.

So yes, I do have loyalty even to the point where I'll fly to the west coast and fly back to the mid west if thats all that is available


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Super Guard on April 14, 2010, 23:23:33
Whenever i've ever flown to the US, it's always been cheaper to fly out of Heathrow than connect 2-3 times on Continental from Bristol.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 14, 2010, 23:37:33
Depends where you're going - BA in particular have a good network of direct flights to the States (Denver, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, Las Vegas, Seattle, Baltimore... as well as the bigger destinations) using 777/767 aircraft instead of 747s on some of the less busy routes. Newark is pretty convenient for the Eastern seaboard as it's right on the main railway line, but for anything further west Heathrow is often a better option.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on April 15, 2010, 11:36:52
This was a useful flight.  It has always been very busy the couple of times when I used it. I think it suffered from not having anything intermediate between the (extremely cheap) economy fares and the business fares which are hard to justify for a farily shortish flight.  On a business trip I'd be tempted to pay more for a preminuim economy, but when you look at ^300ish for an economy fare and ^2000 to ^3000 for business class for a 6 hour trip, it is just not worth it even on someone elses money. 

Also the planes used were old and cramped.





Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 16, 2010, 03:24:59
Based on one experience of the BRS-EWR route it was pretty full in cattle, looked quite empty in first. Aircraft was a fairly new 757-200, looked in pretty good nick and had a decent "on-demand" in-flight entertainment system with quite big screens (just a shame that, since Continental is an American company, all the in-flight telly was from the US and therefore sucked - at least BA give you Top Gear and other BBC delights, although possibly a bit too much Jamie Oliver for my liking). Although it's a narrow-bodied aircraft the seating wasn't any more cramped that the BA 777s and 767s that ply the route between LHR and Philly, and indeed it looked newer, cleaner and tidier! The big difference I noticed between CO and BA was the off-hand service on CO - flight attendants who clearly didn't give a r*t's @rse about the punters and were only interested in flinging out the "chicken or beef" as quickly as possibly then clearing away so they could spend the rest of the flight in their crew cubby-hole.

Now, you can say what you like about BA cabin crew (and I have said quite a few things about them in the last few months, especially when the threatened strike looked like it would stop me getting home to Blighty for Christmas) but at least when they're working they are in my experience always courteous and professional!


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on April 16, 2010, 09:03:12
Aircraft was a fairly new 757-200, looked in pretty good nick and had a decent "on-demand" in-flight entertainment system with quite big screens (

That wasn't the case a couple of years ago when I last flew.  Very tatty overhead screens, some broken, some out of focus, colour balance different on each one.  SOmething to look forward to when I fly at teh end of this month.

Flew with them last month (in ECONOMY) and was very impressed with the onboard environment, service and price.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on May 03, 2010, 15:52:37
I wonder if this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10095080.stm) has anything to do with the decision to withdraw the EWR - BRS service...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: smithy on May 03, 2010, 17:56:04
I wonder if this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10095080.stm) has anything to do with the decision to withdraw the EWR - BRS service...

may have some influence on the decision.


well that last link didn't work I'm afraid FA
But loyality to an airline...hoho ???

I've flown so many time with Virgin that I automatically get upper class upgrades.  I book premium economy either with cash or airmiles and I don't think I've not been upgraded once in the last five years.

So yes, I do have loyalty even to the point where I'll fly to the west coast and fly back to the mid west if thats all that is available

am i the only person to wonder why some posters have to constantly tell people they travel first/upper be it by rail or air?


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on May 04, 2010, 04:47:52

am i the only person to wonder why some posters have to constantly tell people they travel first/upper be it by rail or air?


Probably. Does it bother you?


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: smithy on May 04, 2010, 05:09:36
No does not bother me,just find it strange that people constantly need to make common knowledge they travel first/upper/business.



Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on May 04, 2010, 06:11:19
When new arrivals land on "The Coffee Shop", it's great news for them and us if they do so on a selfcontained thread ... which means that it's better if posts do contain "noteable notes" which set the scene and don't leave the new arrival wondering why someone's having a grump at "no free OJ anymore" when (s)he [the new arrival] can't even imagine that there was ever OJ available - even at a price - from Castle Bar to West Ealing ...

As I wrote this comment, I wondered just how many search arrivals we get here. A quick estimate from looking at the log file for April came up with just over 9000 records that look likely.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on December 14, 2010, 15:26:29
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11989633):

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Airline opens flights from Bristol to Dublin (and onward to the US)

Two airlines have announced they will begin flying between Bristol Airport and Dublin with the option of onward connections to America.

Aer Lingus and Aer Arann will fly between the airports three times a day on weekdays from March 2011.

The firm added that passengers who were travelling to America could clear US customs at facilities in Dublin.

A direct Continental Airlines service from Bristol to New York, which was launched in 2005, was axed in November.

A spokesman for the airport said he hoped the ability to pre-clear customs in Dublin would make travelling to America from Bristol a more attractive option.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 14, 2010, 16:33:16
Good news for BRS - at least Dublin's in the right direction, currently they suggest connecting at Schipol, Brussels or Paris for the US! And the advantages of US customs and immigration pre-clearance in Dublin are not to be underestimated...straight off the aircraft at the other end with no mucking about, compared to an hour or more hanging around in the immigration queue.

Also makes connecting flights in the US easier, since you're treated as a "domestic" arrival having already been through Customs in Ireland which I think means that bags can be checked through to your destination, rather than the usual farce where you have to clear immigration, collect your bags, re-check them and go through security all over again...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: standclearplease on December 14, 2010, 17:16:44
Removed for good!


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 14, 2010, 17:35:53
Hmm, you've never flown to the US and connected have you? You'd be right about more or less any other country but here things are a little different.

I can assure you that as an international arrival with a connecting flight, the US requires you to clear immigration and customs at your first airport. So, for example, if I flew to Newark with a connection to Philadelphia I would have to clear immigration and customs at EWR. You then have to collect your bags, leave the secure area, re-check them and clear security again. The same applies at all US airports to my knowledge.

Unusually, the US government also requires all passengers in transit, even if they're just changing planes in the States on their way to another country, to clear immigration and customs, so you still need a visa or to be eligible for a visa waiver in order to transit through.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Brucey on December 14, 2010, 17:41:24
The process of not having to check in again is known as Sterile Transit ... which the US does not participate in.

I like the idea of clearing immigration before you leave - I'd rather time my journey to check in earlier rather than being delayed on arrival.  Reminds me of how immigration/customs works on Eurostar.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Mookiemoo on December 15, 2010, 00:35:10
Also makes connecting flights in the US easier, since you're treated as a "domestic" arrival having already been through Customs in Ireland which I think means that bags can be checked through to your destination, rather than the usual farce where you have to clear immigration, collect your bags, re-check them and go through security all over again...

Not quite! If you arrived as an international passenger (i.e, no from DUB) on a connecting ticket, you shouldn't need to recheck your bags or exit the airside area to continue onto a US domestic flight.

All the pre-clearance does as you rightly said is formalise the immigration process at Dublin; which means the passenger arrives as a domestic passenger.

I like your alternate universe - go read up on real life


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: standclearplease on December 15, 2010, 10:23:12
Also makes connecting flights in the US easier, since you're treated as a "domestic" arrival having already been through Customs in Ireland which I think means that bags can be checked through to your destination, rather than the usual farce where you have to clear immigration, collect your bags, re-check them and go through security all over again...

Not quite! If you arrived as an international passenger (i.e, no from DUB) on a connecting ticket, you shouldn't need to recheck your bags or exit the airside area to continue onto a US domestic flight.

All the pre-clearance does as you rightly said is formalise the immigration process at Dublin; which means the passenger arrives as a domestic passenger.

I like your alternate universe - go read up on real life

Okay, I'm wrong.. I admit to that. But there is no need to be rude. It does you no favours.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on December 15, 2010, 11:18:15
Hmm, you've never flown to the US and connected have you? You'd be right about more or less any other country but here things are a little different.


I have flown Vancouver-Detroit-Gatwick.  I cleared US customs/immigration in Vancouver before getting on the first plane and did not have to re-check baggage or go though anything other than security screening in Detroit.  I think Canada and Ireland may be the only countries where you can do this.  Flying Bristol-EWS-Houston required clearance of immigration and customs and bagage rechecking at EWS. 


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Brucey on December 15, 2010, 11:24:08
The only problem I can see with "pre-clearance" is that if every country starting doing this, our airports would become full of different immigration checks.  Looking at this image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shannon1.jpg) of Shannon airport, the US desks take up quite a fair amount of space in the terminal.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 16, 2014, 01:08:12
From the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/long-haul-ndash-Bristol-Airport-expansion-bring/story-22725769-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_bristolpost):

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Thailand, Rio, Dubai: Bristol Airport expansion will bring direct flights to some of the world's most glamorous locations

(http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/22725769/6750759-large.jpg)

People living in Bristol will be able to fly direct to some of the most glamorous locations and holiday destinations in the world within a couple of years ^ if everything goes to plan.

Bristol Airport is pushing ahead with expansion plans designed to allow a new breed of aircraft to land at Lulsgate.

In the past when it came to the truly glamorous destinations in far-off locations, Bristol always lost out to its rivals.

Thanks to the location of the city's airport the huge planes which fly people half way round the world have never been able to land at Bristol Airport.

Until now the huge success of the airport has been largely built on the rise of the budget airlines such as Ryanair and easyJet to European destinations.

But exotic destinations including Rio de Janeiro, the Caribbean and Thailand could be within the airport's grasp in a few years.

The West Coast of America could also be included on the airport's departure board along with the Middle East.

Other destinations being looked at include Mexico, South Africa and the Far East.

Continental Airlines flew direct to New York from Bristol for five years but decided to pull the plug when the recession saw demand for the lucrative business market collapse overnight.

Bosses at Bristol Airport are locked in talks with airlines and hopes are high that direct to the US could return in the near future.

At present the furthest direct flights from Bristol are to Turkey and Morocco but it looks as though all could be about to change.

As reported in the Bristol Post a new ^6.5 million central walkway complete with six departure gates has just been built.

The walkway has been designed with the next generation of jets in mind which include Boeing's Dreamliner and the Airbus A350.

Both planes are built with lightweight carbon materials and as a result are capable of flying further on less fuel.

The airline industry is increasingly turning its back on the huge passenger jets in favour of the cheaper more environmentally friendly planes which are starting to roll off the production lines in ever larger numbers.

The plan is to increase passenger numbers at Bristol Airport by four million a year and to offer more destinations.

Chief executive Robert Sinclair said: "The central walkway sets a new benchmark for passenger facilities at Bristol Airport. This significant investment demonstrates our ambition to become the airport of choice for passengers across the South West and South Wales. High quality infrastructure will also make Bristol Airport even more attractive to airlines, helping to extend the choice of destinations available ^ including long-haul services to North America and the Middle East in future."

I rather like the faintly quaint references in that Bristol Post article to 'people living in Bristol', and 'Lulsgate'.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 16, 2014, 08:57:04
I rather like the faintly quaint references in that Bristol Post article to 'people living in Bristol', and 'Lulsgate'.  ;) :D ;D

Very modish, 'Lulsgate'. I still like to think of it as 'Lulsgate Bottom'.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: John R on August 16, 2014, 09:02:46
At Keflavic Airport in Iceland, all the screens refer to it as Bristol Lulsgate. I nearly said "still refer to it" but then flights only started last year, so someone must have made a conscious decision to load it in to the system as such, as opposed to around 30 (?) years of inertia.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 16, 2014, 10:00:15
I have to admit I haven't flown from Bristol airport for years but if I had the choice of flying from Bristol or gatwick (I live in Thatcham) I would choose Bristol due to my preference for small regional airports.  In fact the last time I flew from Bristol was on an airline called GO which dates it :)

I have only used Southampton once to fly to the Channel Islands but was impressed with how (struggling for a word here) much more relaxed it was compared with the London airports.



Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: John R on August 16, 2014, 10:43:27
For me, Bristol has lost much of the small regional airport feel, although being 10 mins from home it still wins hands down in terms of convenience. In particular, if you fly early morning, when the Easyjet fleet based there all get to work between 0600 and 0730 then it can take an hour from arrival at the terminal to getting to your gate if flying with hold baggage. The last time it took 20 mins just to clear security and a further 10 mins walk to the furthest gate.

Hopefully it's better once that peak passes, but I won't be able to judge that until October.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on August 16, 2014, 10:49:07
In fact the last time I flew from Bristol was on an airline called GO which dates it :)

The last time I flew from Lulsgate was with Dan-Air! 1982.  :o


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 16, 2014, 10:51:58
In fact the last time I flew from Bristol was on an airline called GO which dates it :)

The last time I flew from Lulsgate was with Dan-Air! 1982.  :o

The last and only time I flew dan air was from gatwick to Toronto in 1976 IRC. I suspect it was a bit cheaper than today's equivalent fare :)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 10, 2014, 22:27:29
Can anyone here help suggest or recommend cheap parking at Bristol airport.

I need to be at the airport 0430 ish Sunday 26th Oct, returning 2255 on Wednesday 29th Oct.

I can only find parking at silly prices. I've parked at Gatwick for 10 days for cheaper than Bristol is quoting for 4 days!


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Brucey on September 11, 2014, 07:15:26
I've just had a look at the official parking website and ^36.99 does seem a little excessive, but not unreasonable, for three nights.

To compare, I recently paid ^28.99 for four nights at Stansted (Long Stay - so furthest from terminal) and ^72.99 for nine nights at Bournemouth (just cross a road to reach the terminal).

Have you tried local hotel chains?  I know near Gatwick and Heathrow that many hotels sell off their unused parking spaces for fairly reasonable prices.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on September 11, 2014, 10:39:50
If you join their email list, you get regular 10-15% off parking....


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on September 11, 2014, 14:11:41
There are independent airport parking providers nearby. I won't recommend any as I've no idea how good or bad they are, but a Google search brings up a few and of those I checked they do undercut the official parking prices.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 11, 2014, 18:49:01
Thanks for the suggestions.

I had a look on my work employee discount portal and there was a discount code for Holiday Extras. I got the main airport car park for ^19.99 with the discount which to me is still a lot compared to prices I've paid at Gatwick and Manchester per day rate previously.

What I found was that the airport doesn't do a daily rate over a couple of days you can only buy a full week which explains the steepness of the price.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on September 12, 2014, 14:31:18
Come to Oxford and pay around ^25 for city centre parking or ^100 for parking in excess of 72 hours at the London bound P & R car park used by London airport travellers.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: didcotdean on September 12, 2014, 15:31:05
Oxford Airport parking though is only ^7.50 per day or ^35 per week. Mind you there is only one scheduled flight a week at present that that will be finishing soon with the end of summer.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on September 12, 2014, 18:47:43
Here's an alternative ... leave your car and dogs with Zanetta ... the car's free parking (!), lifts to and from the airport total ^30.    Sting in the tail is that you'll need to home board at least one dog with her at ^20 per day.

https://mydogbuddy.co.uk/sitter/home-boarding-house-sitting


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 12, 2014, 19:13:19
Here's an alternative ... leave your car and dogs with Zanetta ... the car's free parking (!), lifts to and from the airport total ^30.    Sting in the tail is that you'll need to home board at least one dog with her at ^20 per day.

https://mydogbuddy.co.uk/sitter/home-boarding-house-sitting

I don't have a dog being the problem here.





Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 13, 2014, 00:47:50
To richwarwicker: I have a possible alternative solution to your parking problem, as I have a spare parking space on my drive in Nailsea - only three miles from the airport.  Details to follow, by PM.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 13, 2014, 07:18:30
To richwarwicker: I have a possible alternative solution to your parking problem, as I have a spare parking space on my drive in Nailsea - only three miles from the airport.  Details to follow, by PM.  ;) :D ;D

Thank you chris, I have booked and paid through my employee discount scheme now though.



Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 13, 2014, 15:17:58
Ah - no problem: glad you got the eventual price down anyway.  ;)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 19, 2014, 18:36:31
An update, from the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Easyjet-working-wish-list-new-destinations/story-24557730-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_bristolpost):

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Easyjet working on 'wish list' of new destinations from Bristol Airport. Where would you like to fly to?

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Easyjet is already planning for further growth from Bristol in 2016

Low cost airline easyJet is already looking to add new routes for passengers at Bristol Airport. The airline announced record profits for a fourth year running and revealed it is already planning ahead for further growth in Bristol 2016.

At the moment the airline flies to 46 different destinations from Bristol and that is likely to hit the half century mark by the end of next year.

Over the last 12 months 3.4 million passengers flew with the airline out of Bristol ^ more than half the total number of passengers who used the airport over the last year.

Earlier this month, EasyJet announced four new routes to destinations in Sicily, Spain and Portugal.

But Sophie Dekkers, who is responsible for organising easyJet's flying schedule from UK airports, is already looking for new destinations from Bristol. She said: "Bristol is a key airport for us and that is not going to change in the near future. We are adding another aircraft next year and we are also looking at increasing capacity on our existing flights. We are basing another aircraft at Bristol next year which means that we can increase capacity on our existing routes."

The easyJet model means that the furthest destination the airline flies to is Egypt.

Ms Dekkers said: "We operate in destinations were we can get there and back in one day. We keep our costs low because we do not have to pay for overnight stays for our crew. At the moment our furthest destination is Egypt from Manchester which is a five and a half hour flight. We are not looking at destinations further afield but we are always looking to add new and exciting places to visit. At the moment we are in the process of drawing up a wish list of destinations we would like to fly to from Bristol. We will look at the various destinations and decide which ones are economically viable. We are putting our plans in place now for our Christmas timetable which we will be announced in 12 months time."

EasyJet is now the largest operator based at Bristol Airport ^ its closest rival is Irish airline Ryanair.

Last year six million passenger used the airport, which has plans in place for a ^120 million expansion scheme.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 19, 2014, 18:55:52
In fact the last time I flew from Bristol was on an airline called GO which dates it :)

The last time I flew from Lulsgate was with Dan-Air! 1982.  :o
Davies and Newman Airways IIRC.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 12, 2015, 18:27:00
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-31846527):

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Bristol Airport rejects calls to add Bath to its name

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Some of the West's tourism experts have called on Bristol Airport to change its name

Bristol Airport has rejected calls to boost tourism by including the city of Bath in its name.

Some tourism experts in the West have said the area would benefit more from the American market if the airport included Bath in its title.

They claim it would attract US visitors who are "more familiar" with Bath as a destination.

Airport bosses said Bath was a "key part" of its marketing efforts but "there are no plans" for a name change.

Gwyneth Lloyd, who is originally from Boston and runs a tourism company in Bristol, said Bath was more of a pull for tourists.

"I wasn't really aware of Bristol as a mid-sized city and I'd lived in England before," she added.

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Bristol Airport said Bath had a strong international profile but it had no plans to change its name

Ms Lloyd, who has lived in Bedminster for two-years, said: "I didn't become aware of it until a friend of mine drove all around and came back and said 'oh my goodness, Bristol's amazing'."

Martin Poole, from Bristol and Bath Cultural Destinations Partnership Project, said: "I think it's an example, a symbol really, of how the two cities can work together to attract more visitors and tourists to the region."

Mr Poole said the two cities attracted more than 20 million visitors and tourists every year, contributing ^1.5bn to the economy.

In a statement, Bristol Airport said Bath's "strong international profile" was "incredibly important" in attracting visitors to the West of England. It has been promoting both cities and has seen an increase in passengers. "There are no plans to change the name of the airport now or in the foreseeable future," the statement said.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: ChrisB on March 13, 2015, 10:39:36
Can you fly from the US to Bristol? If not, little point in adding Bath to the name then?...


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: JayMac on March 13, 2015, 15:38:33
Why not follow the lead of other airports and name it after a famous person from the area.

Adge Cutler International?

Fred Wedlock Airport?


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Timmer on March 13, 2015, 16:56:41
Can you fly from the US to Bristol? If not, little point in adding Bath to the name then?...
Not at present. Continental ran a daily service to/from NY Newark to connect with flights across the U.S. for a couple of years a few years back but it didn't pay its way so was dropped.


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on March 13, 2015, 17:19:54
Can you fly from the US to Bristol? If not, little point in adding Bath to the name then?...
Not at present. Continental ran a daily service to/from NY Newark to connect with flights across the U.S. for a couple of years a few years back but it didn't pay its way so was dropped.

Air Lingus market themselves as flying to the USA from Bristol.  Of course you have to change planes in Dublin, but given that you can pre-clear US immigration on Irish soil, the inconvenience of having to change is somewhat outweighed by being able to arrive in the US as a domestic passenger and thereby avoid the sometimes horrendous immigration queues some US stations such as ORD have. 


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on March 13, 2015, 17:23:08
Can you fly from the US to Bristol? If not, little point in adding Bath to the name then?...
Not at present. Continental ran a daily service to/from NY Newark to connect with flights across the U.S. for a couple of years a few years back but it didn't pay its way so was dropped.

Air Lingus market themselves as flying to the USA from Bristol.  Of course you have to change planes in Dublin, but given that you can pre-clear US immigration on Irish soil, the inconvenience of having to change is somewhat outweighed by being able to arrive in the US as a domestic passenger and thereby avoid the sometimes horrendous immigration queues some US stations such as ORD have. 

Also effective to fly Bristol to Rekjavik (Easy Jet) and Rekjavik to USA (IcelandAir).


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: chuffed on March 18, 2015, 16:52:54
First have truncated the Greyhound service that started running between Swansea Cardiff and Bristol airport. The Bristol bit has been dropped from 17th March, so now it is just a shuttle service between Swansea and Cardiff. Perhaps they could call it 'Milgwn' instead....not so many letters to apply ! ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on March 18, 2015, 17:59:34
First have truncated the Greyhound service ...

Greyhounds are excellent sprinters, ideal for short fast runs.   For those who don't have a greyhound, I've posted a video to show this:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153198654402094&set=vb.814747093&type=2&theater


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 18, 2015, 22:02:20
Your greyhound, our Labrador: you'd win.  ;D

Very similar behaviour: our Labrador will chase deer out in the fields around us - by the time she's got to the far side of the field, the deer are three parishes away.  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Tim on March 19, 2015, 09:19:34
Can you fly from the US to Bristol? If not, little point in adding Bath to the name then?...
Not at present. Continental ran a daily service to/from NY Newark to connect with flights across the U.S. for a couple of years a few years back but it didn't pay its way so was dropped.

Air Lingus market themselves as flying to the USA from Bristol.  Of course you have to change planes in Dublin, but given that you can pre-clear US immigration on Irish soil, the inconvenience of having to change is somewhat outweighed by being able to arrive in the US as a domestic passenger and thereby avoid the sometimes horrendous immigration queues some US stations such as ORD have. 

Also effective to fly Bristol to Rekjavik (Easy Jet) and Rekjavik to USA (IcelandAir).

That is a higher risk option because you won't get a through ticket and if you miss the connection you are stuffed. 


Title: Re: Bristol Airport - expansion plans, car parking, public transport links - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 26, 2015, 02:44:55
From the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Major-24-million-expansion-plan-launched-Bristol/story-26744086-detail/story.html):

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Major ^24 million expansion plan launched at Bristol Airport

Bristol Airport is to launch one of the biggest expansion schemes in its history.

Within days of completing the expansion of its terminal building bosses have announced that it is to pump another ^24 million into the building.

The western end of the terminal building is to be extended transforming the way passengers pass through the security process.

At the moment there are often queues at peak periods but it is hoped the new facilities will solve the problem at the fast growing airport.

The latest expansion is the biggest building project at the airport since the since the existing terminal building opened for business in 2000.

The work will see state-of-the-art technology introduced in the extended security area to create a faster, more efficient experience.

The 9,000 square metre extension is two and half times larger than the ^8.5 million east terminal extension which has just been completed.

Other improvements will include a bigger baggage reclaim area, bew customs facilities, more shops in the arrivals hall and a meet and greet area.

The work will start in a matter of weeks and is expected to take 12 months to complete.

The improvements will see 10 lanes in the central search area alongside two additional security channels in a dedicated Fast Track zone. The airport is talks with firms to run the brand new facilities.

Airport chief executive Robert Sinclair said: "Once completed, this major development will take the total investment in our terminal and wider airport infrastructure since 2010 to over ^120 million.

"Not only will the west terminal extension ease the congestion we are experiencing at times this summer as a result of high passenger volumes, it will create a more attractive and comfortable environment and help to remove some of the stress sometimes associated with air travel.

"This is going to give us a clear advantage over the competition by making it more attractive for airlines to fly from Bristol, and it is a significant step towards achieving our vision to provide passengers from the South West and Wales with a world-class customer experience when flying in and out of their local airport."

Chris Ware, Head of Security at Bristol Airport, said: "With this development we are responding to changes in security requirements, airline business models and passenger behaviour which have resulted in a greater quantity of hand baggage being carried through our central search area. The west terminal extension enables us to design new layout and processes tailored to meet this challenge but with the flexibility to adapt to evolving security needs without inconveniencing passengers."



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