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Title: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 24, 2014, 21:38:24
From the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-s-transport-working-Transport-chief-Peter/story-22799750-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_bristolpost):

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Is Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief Peter Mann says we're making progress

The last five years have been a turbulent time for Bristol's roads and railways. But the man attempting to steer us through all the arguments, train delays and roadworks thinks he has made good progress.

No, it's not our famous mayor, it's Bristol City Council's transport services director, Peter Mann.

It has been five years since the council advertised his job ^89,205 a year for a person with enough vision to solve Bristol's congestion problems, commanding a budget of millions of pounds.

Today is he defending the changes he has made to the roads, and he said his biggest concern is the controversial Metrobus.

The ^200 million scheme will see a bus service running from Avonmouth to Temple Meads. It has been slammed for costing too much money and slicing through prime allotments.

But Mr Mann's message is that now the decision has been made, people need to accept it - and work is due to start within weeks.

He said: "If we want to see a city that is growing in a sustainable way, we have to invest in our infrastructure. As with everything, there will be benefits and sacrifices, but the greater good of the scheme far outweighs the pain we'll have to go through to get there. Yes , it's not a tram and it's not heavy railway, but this scheme has merit under its own right. The Metrobus is where most of my energies are being directed at the moment because it is such a big project."

And on the subject of local rail stations, he is enthusiastic. But he issued a warning that with the coming of electrified tracks into Temple Meads, there will be limited space for extra services in that area.

Electrified tracks will mean double the number of trains to other cities ^ which could squeeze out local services.

He said: "Temple Meads to Filton is currently two tracks, and there is a commitment to make that four. When that happens, the local services will be able to operate alongside inter-city services."

The real controversy in our residential streets in the past five years is the continued roll-out of RPZs. Mr Mann admitted they were part of a "carrot and stick" policy, and when faced with the accusation that the council has not consulted homeowners and traders adequately, he was defensive.

He said: "I am aware that people who don't support schemes will claim they have not been consulted effectively. We have bent over backwards to talk to people, and we have done way more than we are legally required to do."

Unreliable buses are another common complaint. Mr Mann said he cannot force companies to put on more services, but a code of conduct has just been signed by various companies which should avoid roadworks being undertaken all at the same time in future.

He said: "I manage roadworks and bus lanes to keep things on time as much as possible."


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Oberon on August 26, 2014, 21:45:05
Bristol is a classic urban environment that would hugely benefit from modern rapid transit technology instead of buses, electric buses and endless cycle lanes. Not to mention commuter generated road traffic, of course. It is not a happy thing to say but if Bristol was in Germany or the Netherlands it would be treated with more respect by governments, then the hapless bloke in charge of it all wouldn't have to justify himself in the manner quoted..sigh


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 26, 2014, 21:52:16
Thanks very much for posting, Oberon - and welcome to the Coffee Shop forum.  :)


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 27, 2014, 10:33:50
Welcome, Oberon!

I think we're more or less unanimous here in agreeing that Bristol needs better public transport; most of us (I think it's fair to say) would like to see more of it run on steel rails. Interesting though that you should mention:

...endless cycle lanes.

Like many British cities, Bristol is struggling to reverse decades of planning policy which put motorism in first, second and third place and left what we would now call 'sustainable alternatives' far behind - if they were considered at all. That process is now, happily, being reversed - but there are many battles to be fought, and we can't expect everything to go the way we'd like (Metrobus, anyone?). However one area where things are shaping up pretty well is cycling policy - and the demographics auger well, as this article confirms: http://www.bristol247.com/2014/07/30/majority-bristol-commuters-40-leave-car-behind-61765/

Incidentally, if the cycle lanes were endless I for one would be very happy; sadly a lot of them end in silly places at the moment - but there are real signs now that a sustained modest investment is transforming Bristol into a much more cycle-friendly city.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on August 27, 2014, 10:47:22
Exactly that. If "Bristol was in Germany or the Netherlands" then there'd be many more cycle lanes than there are now!


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: stuving on August 27, 2014, 11:04:46
Exactly that. If "Bristol was in Germany or the Netherlands" then there'd be many more cycle lanes than there are now!

Though of course if Bristol was in the Netherlands cycling would never have dropped to such a low level post-war, because it would have been much less hilly.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 27, 2014, 13:37:24
Exactly that. If "Bristol was in Germany or the Netherlands" then there'd be many more cycle lanes than there are now!

Though of course if Bristol was in the Netherlands cycling would never have dropped to such a low level post-war, because it would have been much less hilly.

I think the effect of hills is overstated. What had far more impact was the effective 'designing out' of cycling as an option - the removal of the cycle paths on the A38 at Filton when the dual carriageway was built, and the initial prohibition of cycling on the Spine Road viaduct are just two of very many examples I could list. It has always been possible to avoid most of the hills, and even in the days when 'gears' meant 'Sturmey Archer 3-speed' you could always push your bike as a last resort.

Nowadays, with 27-speed derailleurs and electric bikes, hills come very close to being an irrelevance.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: trainer on August 27, 2014, 14:16:35
Nowadays, with 27-speed derailleurs and electric bikes, hills come very close to being an irrelevance.

Not to some of us, I fear!

As I have noted before, the main problem in comparing the UK with most of the rest of Europe in regards to cycling, is simply space.  We do not have the streets with the widths so often seen 'over there' and we have very dense populations in our cities.  Cycle lanes are not compatible with bus lanes (and vice-verse) but we insist on putting them together because, on paper, they look good.

The 'war' on the private car sometimes ignores essential travel needs (those with limited personal mobility, for example) and the half-baked public transport plans satisfy only partially, often only during mainstream working hours.  Getting a realistic grip on what mostpeople will actually leave their car for is essential. IMHO the LRT's of other major cities combined with imaginative and complementary ordinary bus services prove beyond doubt that space can be freed up for pedestrians and cyclists and lure many car-loving people into foregoing their vehicles for at least part of the journey.

Is Bristol getting there?  The jury is out and may be stuck in a traffic jam before it gets back.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on August 27, 2014, 15:48:11
Though it's easy to overstate the physical constraints of our city streets. One cycling campaigner did a very good job of debunking Boris's claims on the issue: http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/the-physical-constraints-of-londons-streets/

By and large, the narrow streets aren't the biggest problem: in such places, the grid is dense enough that "quietways", "fietsstraats", "fahrradstrasse" (or whatever you want to call them) can be established on certain roads to permit safe passage. It's the wide arterials, and the junctions on them, which are essential for high-quality cycle commuting and which are the biggest problem right now.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 27, 2014, 17:46:31
Though of course if Bristol was in the Netherlands cycling would never have dropped to such a low level post-war, because it would have been much less hilly.

During the war, of course, the Germans did their best to flatten most of Bristol. :P :D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 27, 2014, 17:55:09
Though of course if Bristol was in the Netherlands cycling would never have dropped to such a low level post-war, because it would have been much less hilly.

During the war, of course, the Germans did their best to flatten most of Bristol. :P :D ;D

The damage done to the built environment by the Luftwaffe was more or less repairable. The damage done by post-war planners and highway engineers was at least an order of magnitude worse, and will take much longer to heal!


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: JayMac on August 27, 2014, 18:01:09
Main roads built across College Green and Queen's Square for example. At least those two wounds have been healed.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Rhydgaled on August 27, 2014, 18:02:11
Like many British cities, Bristol is struggling to reverse decades of planning policy which put motorism in first, second and third place and left what we would now call 'sustainable alternatives' far behind - if they were considered at all. That process is now, happily, being reversed - but there are many battles to be fought
Wandering off the topic of Bristol, I'm afraid one of the battles still to be fought is getting those in power to stop putting motorism first and try to live up to their claims of being in favour of sustainable alternatives. The Welsh Government's transport minister has even had the cheek to describe the second M4 plan as 'sustainable'. Maybe that justifies a topic of its own.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Oberon on August 27, 2014, 19:45:39
I think it's as well to remember that cycling comes in many forms, from boy-racers, who, along with taxis "own the road," through families out for a spin, old dears going shopping and finally commuters using bikes instead of cars. As much as I regret bitterly the closure of Bristol-Mangotsfield as a rail route, anyone using this for the purpose of commuting gets my support. The rest of them..well, I'm not sure how important they are honestly. Bristol prides itself as being some sort of cycling mecca but only those who mean one less car on the road should perhaps be actively encouraged. Or is this heresy?


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: sprinterguard on August 27, 2014, 20:16:58
Watch out for the cycles at rush hour within Temple Meads station. Such is the priority to be first on the 0822 to Bath, the 0834 to Avonmouth et al, you are guaranteed to be ploughed down; be it by someone dashing through the crowds or running with it wrong way up the down side of the stairs.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 27, 2014, 20:24:12
... all of which unacceptable behaviour is conducted with apparent impunity within yards of the British Transport Police office ...  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 27, 2014, 22:38:04
I think it's as well to remember that cycling comes in many forms, from boy-racers, who, along with taxis "own the road," through families out for a spin, old dears going shopping and finally commuters using bikes instead of cars. As much as I regret bitterly the closure of Bristol-Mangotsfield as a rail route, anyone using this for the purpose of commuting gets my support. The rest of them..well, I'm not sure how important they are honestly. Bristol prides itself as being some sort of cycling mecca but only those who mean one less car on the road should perhaps be actively encouraged. Or is this heresy?

This report gives a detailed analysis of cycling to work in Bristol, by age, sex, ethnicity and journey length: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/planning_and_building_regulations/planning_policy/local_development_framework/2011%20Census%20Topic%20Report%20-%20Who%20cycles%20to%20work%20v2.pdf

I think it's worth noting that for a very limited expenditure, Bristol increased cycle commuting by 94.5% between 2001 and 2011. In the same period, use of public transport (all modes) rose by 0.5% (a fall in real terms given the increase in the working population) and car use rose by 9%.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 02, 2014, 12:04:29
An opinion piece, from the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Speaker-s-Corner-John-Hall-says-years-Bristol/story-22849377-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_bristolpost):

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Speaker's Corner: John Hall says five years after Bristol appointed transport director, nothing has changed

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John Hall believes little has changed when it comes to transport in Bristol

Five years ago the Post told us of the imminent appointment of a transport director for Bristol, to be ^... a transport supremo with the vision to sort out Bristol^s problems^. (City Director Required ^ Involves Travel, Post, Aug 12, 2009) Five years on, what has been achieved by having a visionary transport director?

The short answer is that nothing discernible has been achieved, in particular there is no evidence of any long-term strategic planning or systematic interaction with national bodies responsible for transport provision.

Fiddling around with parking restrictions is not a strategic vision, the supposed benefits being largely unmeasurable, and as far as I can tell unmeasured.

There is no strategic vision, and in particular no understanding of the role of railways as the essential backbone of any effective city level transport system ^ fast, off-road and high capacity. Nor is there any understanding of why a tram cannot be imitated by a bendy bus (electrification, guided path, high capacity, smooth ride, user friendly, long life, low pollution). Trams do cost about 25 million Euros per kilometre of double track tramway, but ^150 million is going into a bypass through South Bristol disguised as a fast bus network so we are not actually short of money, just short of a policy of spending it wisely.

There is no understanding of the need for interchange between bus, tram and train. The oyster card heralded for so long and now partially in use is an irrelevant nonsense, using high technology to disguise continued failure to provide a simple attractive fare structure, with modal interchange. It does less than the many old-fashioned methods like books of tickets, or universal card tickets that have been in use for decades throughout Europe. We have zonal fares on the Avonmouth railway but the ticket machines still seem to require half a dozen pushes. Even the old fashioned bus ticket machines used on the Sheffield tram can issue a day rider in two presses.

A useful strategy cannot be implemented overnight, and will cost money, so it needs long term constancy of intention and interaction with central government and there is no evidence that the transport director post provides this. It is rather obvious that through the West of England Partnership the rural tail wags the city dog in all transport matters.

In rail the past five years have been a period of stagnation, with the successful Avonmouth railway line initiative not followed by continued development, for example in South Bristol, or movement towards the 15 minute electrified inner suburban service. There is no evidence that any official has even asked the Government about an electrified inner suburban network, or even the Sea Mills loop, which would allow a 15-minute interval service on the Avonmouth route.

The bus network continues to run at only semi-rural frequencies and there is not even a bus shelter at every bus stop, even at the major stops like the Triangle. Vastly expensive new bus shelters have been provided in some places, with a design that is open to both the weather and the road. Providing space on the roads continues to be based on lateral segmentation with fragmentary bus lanes whereas other towns have started to use bus operated traffic lights that can be applied throughout a route.

The disappearance of ^20 million into Cycling City without trace, except some useful bike stands, happened mostly before the appointment, but there is still no evidence of any strategic vision that might help with cycling and making the town centre attractive. There is no expectation that the next ^35 million will produce any visible results. The coming 20mph limit should benefit cyclists and seems to have worked well so far, but there are obvious concerns that the absence of enforcement effort will make it less effective in the outer suburbs. Cycling City was a classic example of the way local government funding works, the main object being to obtain funding from whatever government programme is available and spend the money, then move on to whatever budget line is fashionable next. Improving conditions for cycling is directly hindered by most other transport initiatives, which tend to involve bus lanes, and build-outs for bus stops, school crossings, etc. Moving to a system of selective traffic lights rather than bus lanes to speed bus flows would ease this.

Of course the transport director cannot be wholly blamed for this; it is a decades-long failure by councillors to develop any fundamental understanding of transport and infrastructure issues that lies at the root of the lack of progress.

The lack of strategic vision has got worse under Supreme Mayor Ferguson, whose big idea is to put public funds intended for infrastructure into the entertainment industry (arena), or into scattered listed building modification projects (Engine House, Council House rearrangement, Central Library conversion to a school, etc). These priorities presumably reflect his own background in entertainment and listed building work.

The only thing that can be said for the Transport Director post is that the title at least tells you what it should be about, unlike the People, Place, Business Change and Neighbourhoods Directors listed as the strategic leadership team. Which of these is the Borough Engineer, and which the Town Clerk, which the Borough Treasurer? It is probably significant that the Transport Director post does not appear in the list of Strategic Leadership team posts on the council website.


Title: Re: Bristol's transport system working? Transport chief says we're making progress
Post by: TonyK on October 23, 2014, 14:12:11
Wandering off the topic of Bristol, I'm afraid one of the battles still to be fought is getting those in power to stop putting motorism first and try to live up to their claims of being in favour of sustainable alternatives. The Welsh Government's transport minister has even had the cheek to describe the second M4 plan as 'sustainable'. Maybe that justifies a topic of its own.

No report is taken seriously by any government department unless it contains the word "sustainable" at least 6 times.



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