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Title: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: Surrey 455 on February 19, 2012, 17:03:17 This isn't exactly a new proposal, I first heard about it a year or two ago but it resurfaced in the papers again last week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/london/weekly-poll/9081651/Poll-should-Boris-Johnson-control-all-London-rail-services.html If achieved, how would / could this affect affect services to / from Paddington? Only the Greenford service and Heathrow Connect / Express start and terminate within London. Crossrail is on it's way which will be controlled by TfL but what about those services to Paddington that would start from Reading or beyond that call at stations within Greater London? Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: JayMac on February 19, 2012, 18:13:26 It makes sense for some heavy rail services wholly within the Greater London boundary to be controlled by TfL, but there are a great many suburban services that go onward to destinations well outside London. I wouldn't want to see those services controlled by the Mayor.
And to add, in the linked article it mentions that the East London Line was formerly run by Silverlink Metro. That is not the case. The ELL was previously part of London Underground. Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2012, 18:20:55 I think Crossrail would be it for GW....except possibly the Greenford & Windsor? Branches
Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2012, 18:24:00 Greenford would make sense, as it will, after the TfL Crossrail service commences, be a shuttle service from Greenford to West Ealing connecting in with the Crossrail service. It is unlikely to interface with any Greater Western Franchise service, but as well as Crossrail it interfaces with TfL services on the Central Line at Greenford. It would seem logical to transfer it over to TfL as and when Crossrail commences. I have made this point in my consultation response.
Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: paul7575 on February 19, 2012, 19:28:01 ...Crossrail is on it's way which will be controlled by TfL but what about those services to Paddington that would start from Reading or beyond that call at stations within Greater London? Nothing would happen AFAICT. They'd be no different to many other existing long distance service that have stops within the zones, such as all those SN and SWT services that call at places like Clapham Jn or East Croydon, but start on the coast; or all the Greater Anglia trains that stop at Stratford. Then there's the Thameslink route. Brighton to Bedford is basically inter-regional, but it becomes all shacks within central London. Paul Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2012, 19:36:33 I think the Q was whether they'd transfer to TfL!
Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: paul7575 on February 19, 2012, 20:01:26 I can't see it being suggested anywhere that they (ie Reading and beyond) would transfer. But all I'm saying is that the problem is not specific to the GWML.
Paul Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2012, 20:20:52 Boris hasn't excluded it/given details....
Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: paul7575 on February 19, 2012, 20:32:04 The GLA's source report for the story is quite specifically only referring to inner-suburban services though:
http://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mayors-rail-vision-2012-final.pdf Same with the previous report a couple of years ago on the same subject. Paul Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: The SprinterMeister on February 19, 2012, 23:24:39 Boris hasn't excluded it/given details.... Boris is good at wasting money. Look at all that cash being wasted on creating a bespoke 'Borismaster' bus with open rear platform for London for example. Best thing to do would be pass that Boris at Danger and obey all other London leaders.Not that I'm saying LOROL isn't a bad thing though. Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: paul7575 on February 20, 2012, 10:37:49 The GLA proposals about transferring inner suburban services to TfL control are a continuation of Ken Livingstone's established policies, all Boris seems to be doing regarding rail (and trams) is a classic case of 'can't beat him, join him'.
Must be a mayoral election coming up... Paul Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: Lee on February 20, 2012, 10:40:12 Snapshot of opposition here - http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/story-15265511-detail/story.html
Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: Lee on February 21, 2012, 10:49:20 From the Docklands & East London Advertiser: (http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/crossrail_and_london_s_rail_future_on_london_assembly_s_transport_agenda_1_1215083)
Quote from: Docklands & East London Advertiser Crossrail and London^s rail future on London Assembly^s transport agenda Rail chiefs are being quizzed today by London Assembly members about progress of Crossrail and other major projects. Questions are being put to Crossrail^s chairman Terry Morgan by the Assembly^s Transport committee on the impact of construction work on households and businesses, as well as on apprenticeships and how London^s new ^super tube^ is being linked to existing services. The debate starting at 10am at City Hall is followed an hour later when Network Rail^s chief planner Paul Harwood and Transport for London^s Geoff Hobbs are being asked about the Mayor^s plans to take over suburban lines and about progress on projects like Thameslink, upgrading stations and issues concerning the North London Line. Title: Re: TfL wants control of all London rail services Post by: Lee on February 24, 2012, 09:03:14 Interesting blog piece here. (http://londonist.com/2012/02/mayoral-election-could-londons-rail-services-become-part-of-tfl.php)
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