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Title: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: grahame on October 09, 2015, 16:31:46
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From Sunday week people in Bristol will pay less for a day's bus travel on First's extensive network.

Bus operator First West of England has today announced that the price of the Bristol Inner Zone Day Ticket will reduce to ^4 on Sunday 18 October.

The reduction will shave 40p off the current ticket price, which provides unlimited travel across Bristol^s Inner Zone which covers the vast majority of Bristol, it stretches from Aztec West in the north to Whitchurch & Long Ashton in the south as well as Avonmouth & Pill in the west and Warmley, Keynsham & Downend in the east.

The Inner Zone Day Ticket comes down to ^4 for adults, ^2.80 for students and young people* and ^2 for children (between 1900 and 0429 the price reduces to ^3) and is valid from 0430 ^ 0429 the following day. All other ticket prices will stay the same.

Two years ago First in Bristol embarked on a radical review of its fares. The ^Fairer Fares^ initiative changed the way customers pay for travel on board First buses. The impact of this in the Bristol Inner Zone has been overwhelmingly positive with many routes showing at least a 20% rise in passenger numbers.

James Freeman, Managing Director of First West of England said: ^We are announcing this fare reduction because our passenger numbers have continued to rise as bus travel in Bristol has never been more popular - some services have seen up to 70,000 more customers using the bus each month compared to this time two years ago, which is really amazing. ^

He continued: ^Making the ticket ^4 will also speed up boarding times as it makes it easier for our customers to have the right change. We hope that this reduction will encourage more and more people to make bus travel in Bristol their first choice, this is beneficial not only to our customers but to everyone in Bristol, taking more cars off the road and improving the environment for everyone.^

Most people buy their ticket on the bus and now customers can also buy it using First's mTicketing smartphone app (available on The App Store (for iPhones), Google Play (for Android Phones) or Windows Store (for Windows Phones).

* - Student & Young Person ticket includes Students of any age with a valid student card and young people aged 16-21 who have a First Young Person^s Photocard (available at First Travel Shops). Child tickets are valid for anyone aged between 5 ^ 16 years old (under 5s travel free)


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 09, 2015, 16:57:30
Excellent news.  ;D

The day ticket is back to the price it was prior to the 'Fairer Fares' consultation.

I made the point at the time that while some point-to-point fares had down in price it was a shame that First had decided to raise the price of the most popular product by 10%. This 9% reduction is most welcome.

Also good news to see that Day tickets are being added to the smartphone apps.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 09, 2015, 17:01:24
That was my immediate thought: Last time I took a bus in Bristol, it was ^4! As you can see, I rarely travel by bus (in Bristol at least).


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: TonyK on October 09, 2015, 21:18:15
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Making the ticket ^4 will also speed up boarding times

But by nothing like as much as introducing smart card or contactless payment. Like First operate in London. I'm no fan of conspiracy theories, but I'm beginning to think that Bristol is being held back here to make MetroBust look like a good idea when it finally chugs onto the scene.

Lest I sound entirely ungrateful, I am pleased to see the rise in use of public transport, and also to see the reduction in price of the day rider. The biggest limiting factor is now the time it takes for everyone to get on and pay their fare.

When in London, I don't run for the bus because there will be another coming around the corner in a minute. In Bristol, I don't run for the bus because it will still be there five minutes later - taking fares, arguing over change for a tenner, kicking off the twirlies, and all the other things that take longer than the actual journey.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: bobm on October 09, 2015, 21:44:03
Swindon have a reasonable stab at integrated ticketing in that day tickets are valid on both Thamesdown and Stagecoach. The only problem is the two companies' smartcards are not readable on the other's vehicles. Therefore if you want to use both you have to get a paper ticket from the company who run your smartcard before you board the other company's services.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 10, 2015, 10:18:31
But by nothing like as much as introducing smart card or contactless payment. Like First operate in London. I'm no fan of conspiracy theories, but I'm beginning to think that Bristol is being held back here to make MetroBust look like a good idea when it finally chugs onto the scene.

Er...

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/touchsmartcard/index.html

In correspondence I have been told that day tickets will soon be available on 'touch'.

I haven't used one as I find the smartphone app more convenient.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: TonyK on October 10, 2015, 11:56:47
Er...

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/touchsmartcard/index.html

In correspondence I have been told that day tickets will soon be available on 'touch'.

I haven't used one as I find the smartphone app more convenient.


Currently only available for weekly or longer tickets. A start, but only a start, and no use to the less than daily passenger.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 10, 2015, 13:41:26
It is a start, and a positive one.

Few bus operators outside London offer day tickets on their smart cards. Fewer still have a Pay As You Go scheme. So criticism of First in Bristol for not doing so is a little unfair.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 12, 2015, 21:22:50
You would have enjoyed James Freeman's presentation at the TravelWatch SouthWest meeting in Taunton a couple of weekends ago ...  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: TonyK on October 12, 2015, 21:24:18
It is a start, and a positive one.

Few bus operators outside London offer day tickets on their smart cards. Fewer still have a Pay As You Go scheme. So criticism of First in Bristol for not doing so is a little unfair.

The target for my vitriol is not First, at least they are not the main target. The "back office" for smart cards in Bristol has been in existence for some years. In the mayoral hustings in 2012, candidate Jon Rogers said he had had the chance to introduce smart cards when he held the Cabinet transport brief, but let himself be conned out of it (he did blame First, but what politician doesn't point the finger away from himself?). Our LEP's Joint Transport Executive Committee have been too busy pouring our cash into MetroBust to be bothered with speeding up boarding on "ordinary" buses. There is little interest in improving journey times until MetroBust comes to save the day, because if they did, it would look to the world that they had squandered ^200 million of taxpayers money on an environmentally destructive white elephant.

Meanwhile First (a bus company in London) have an excellent system which allows the use of contactless debit / credit cards (and I got 3% back on my Santander credit card, too!). How difficult would it be to copy that system in Bristol?

You would have enjoyed James Freeman's presentation at the TravelWatch SouthWest meeting in Taunton a couple of weekends ago ...  ;) :D ;D

Please go on...


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 12, 2015, 23:41:25
You would have enjoyed James Freeman's presentation at the TravelWatch SouthWest meeting in Taunton a couple of weekends ago ...  ;) :D ;D

Please go on...

Thanks for the invitation - and I wish I could reproduce here just some of what James Freeman said. He is a remarkably impassioned speaker, presenting his views from the heart, with enthusiasm and little if any resort to a script.

I can offer the slides James used (http://travelwatchsouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/James-Freeman-Travelwatch-South-West-Meeting-3-October-011015.ppt) (available on the TravelWatch SouthWest website) to hopefully give you some impression of his talk. He was very enthusiastic about 'smart cards' generally, but he did explain that there are still some ongoing practical issues with their 'inter-operability'.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 13, 2015, 09:29:47
...chugs...

Quirky of me to pick up such an erudite man as yerself on a point such as this, but wouldn't 'wheezes' have been more appropriate? 'Chugs' sounds too homely and nice.

It is a start, and a positive one.

Few bus operators outside London offer day tickets on their smart cards. Fewer still have a Pay As You Go scheme. So criticism of First in Bristol for not doing so is a little unfair.

The target for my vitriol is not First, at least they are not the main target. The "back office" for smart cards in Bristol has been in existence for some years. In the mayoral hustings in 2012, candidate Jon Rogers said he had had the chance to introduce smart cards when he held the Cabinet transport brief, but let himself be conned out of it (he did blame First, but what politician doesn't point the finger away from himself?). Our LEP's Joint Transport Executive Committee have been too busy pouring our cash into MetroBust to be bothered with speeding up boarding on "ordinary" buses. There is little interest in improving journey times until MetroBust comes to save the day, because if they did, it would look to the world that they had squandered ^200 million of taxpayers money on an environmentally destructive white elephant.

Meanwhile First (a bus company in London) have an excellent system which allows the use of contactless debit / credit cards (and I got 3% back on my Santander credit card, too!). How difficult would it be to copy that system in Bristol?

You would have enjoyed James Freeman's presentation at the TravelWatch SouthWest meeting in Taunton a couple of weekends ago ...  ;) :D ;D

Please go on...

Can anyone explain why operators don't prioritise the implementation of 'contactless' debit card systems, putting all other 'smart' card systems on the back burner? Is it not safe to assume that within a couple of years the majority of adults will have such a card?


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 13, 2015, 11:51:52
I think you can only get non-contactless debit cards on special request now. The problem with them instead of operator-specific smart systems would presumably be recognising weekly and longer tickets.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 13, 2015, 14:09:36
OK - I may have misunderstood, but I thought the system used by TfL recognised your usage pattern and gave you the best fare, i.e. if you travel every day it gives you the season rate. Is that not the case?


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: ChrisB on October 13, 2015, 14:39:01
It works on the daily cap, and a weekly cap, but not a monthly or annual cap.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 13, 2015, 15:41:19
I think you can only get non-contactless debit cards on special request now. The problem with them instead of operator-specific smart systems would presumably be recognising weekly and longer tickets.

Under 18s and those with Basic Bank Accounts are not issued contactless.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 13, 2015, 15:58:42
Meanwhile First (a bus company in London) have an excellent system which allows the use of contactless debit / credit cards

Small point of order. FirstBus do no operate any TfL tendered services.

Contactless can only be used to pay full Adult fare. No Concessions. no Travelcard Season. No Bus & Tram passes. No Railcards. It's an excellent system but is of no use to children, young adults, the disabled, the elderly. They make up a large percentage of bus users.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 13, 2015, 17:54:45
OK - I may have misunderstood, but I thought the system used by TfL recognised your usage pattern and gave you the best fare, i.e. if you travel every day it gives you the season rate. Is that not the case?
Might be ^ but then you have to travel every day, whereas you can buy a paper season ticket and it's hrvalid from the minute you buy it, even if you only use it a few times a week. In other words, with a paper ticket you don't have to build up history.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 13, 2015, 19:16:49
Contactless with TfL caps at either the daily or Monday to Sunday rate. Example caps for Zones 1-2 (all transport modes) are ^6.40 daily and ^32.40 Monday to Sunday. Bus only caps (across Greater London) are ^4.40 daily and ^21.00 Monday to Sunday.

For the Monday to Sunday rate you may not reach the cap if your first journey is on a Thursday for example. The week always ends on a Sunday (more precisely at 0429 the following morning) for capping purposes. To ensure maximum benefit you should make your first journey of the week on a Monday.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: TonyK on October 13, 2015, 20:31:32
When visiting the Metrolopse, I find it extremely handy, for reasons other than the speed of boarding. On Bristol's buses, I need to know what I am doing for the whole day to make the choice. If I spend ^4.00 on a day ticket but end up only making 2 journeys, I have lost a quid. But if I buy 2 single trips at ^1.50, then decide on a third outing, I shall curse my lack of conviction when I first boarded the bus. In London, it doesn't matter. The first two trips are ^1.50 each, the third ^1.40, every subsequent journey that day is free. Done in Bristol, it would not only speed up boarding, but would make the whole bus thing much more attractive.

This morning, I headed for the bus at Arnos Court to take me to BRI. I was almost at the bottom of Bloomfield Road, by the Lloyds bank, when I saw a number 1 bus pass on the Bath Road. Blast, thought I, but I'll get the next one. I crossed four sets of traffic lights, and caught it. Not only that, I wasn't the last. And I didn't run. Those of you who know the area will know that it is a fair old step from where I was to the bus stop. I rest my case, although I profited on this occasion.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: JayMac on October 16, 2015, 17:45:03
Just received an email from First West of England advising of the new price of the Bristol Inner Zone Day ticket.

It also includes this line:

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and between 19:00 and 04:29 the price reduces to ^3.

That's quite some reduction. From ^3 currently to ^3 after 18th October!  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: grahame on October 28, 2015, 18:09:03
I pulled this topic somewhat off topic - now split to a new topic on Didcot to Harwell Campus buses at
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16398.0


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 02, 2015, 21:04:59
I actually travelled by bus today! Got inner zone day passes (or whatever the actual name is ^ I've thrown them away now so can't check) for ^4 and ^2 for a return journey from Gloucester Rd to Cribbs, as apparently this is cheaper than specific tickets. Increased the cost of my son's AirHop (yes, it's still half term ^ back to school tomorrow, and about time too!) by 50%.  :o Train to Patchway would have been cheaper, I think, but slower (unless we walked to Stapleton Rd or TM) and less frequent, as well as involving a bit of a hike at the end.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: TonyK on November 02, 2015, 21:17:28
I actually travelled by bus today! Got inner zone day passes (or whatever the actual name is ^ I've thrown them away now so can't check) for ^4 and ^2 for a return journey from Gloucester Rd to Cribbs, as apparently this is cheaper than specific tickets. Increased the cost of my son's AirHop (yes, it's still half term ^ back to school tomorrow, and about time too!) by 50%.  :o Train to Patchway would have been cheaper, I think, but slower (unless we walked to Stapleton Rd or TM) and less frequent, as well as involving a bit of a hike at the end.

If that was ^4 plus ^2, then you've been had. ^4.50 would buy you the cross-operator Avon Rider which would have bought you the Glos Rd to Cribbs leg by Wessex, if that's how you did it, as well as the whole panoply of First bus services. Too bloody complicated, IMHO.


Title: Re: Bristol inner zone day bus tickets - reduction from 18th October
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 02, 2015, 21:20:55
That was ^4 for me and ^2 for a child ticket.



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