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Title: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 27, 2008, 23:22:07
Quote from: FGW Information Leaflet

If you are travelling to Eggesford from 29 March 2008, please board the front two coaches only. This is due to the station having short platforms and only the front door of the leading coach will be opened upon arrival at this station.

For your safety, please fold down any prams or pushchairs when alighting at Eggesford.

Contact the conductor on the train or any member of staff at a manned station if you need any assistance.




Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Jim on March 28, 2008, 07:40:36
I'm wondering about this, this means Local Door operation at Eggesford - but why? HAve they not actually ran any booked 4 car 142's down the line yet?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: John R on March 28, 2008, 07:45:57
Maybe it's been introduced as a safe way of working when 2 units are used. Seem to remember some correspondence about the rear unit having to be locked out of use on a Saturday from Barnstaple leaving lots of bemused pax behind, because one platform (Eggesford) was too short for the length of the train. 


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on March 28, 2008, 18:05:09
Finally some 4 cars to Barny then?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 29, 2008, 00:06:50
Seem to remember some correspondence about the rear unit having to be locked out of use on a Saturday from Barnstaple leaving lots of bemused pax behind, because one platform (Eggesford) was too short for the length of the train. 

There was indeed, John: see
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1528.msg9942#msg9942 and
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1528.msg9947#msg9947


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: vacman on March 29, 2008, 23:25:59
At the moment, the rear set must be locked OOU, which is a joke as the Barny branch can be quite busy!!


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on March 30, 2008, 10:25:05
Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 30, 2008, 11:49:15
Quote from: devon_metro
Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' ;).

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on March 30, 2008, 12:01:12

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' ;).



You'll be pleased to know that I have installed the built in spell checker for FF :)


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: gaf71 on April 04, 2008, 13:45:43
Quote from: devon_metro
Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' ;).

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.
This is actually down to HMRI regulations that FGW have to follow. The easy way around this is to isolate the air on the rear door when arriving at Eggesford, as this is the only door that is not platformed( in both directions ), but HMRI say this is a hazard in case emergency access is needed through said door. This is not true if you only isolate the air on the door, and not use the physical locking bolts, as the emergency door release will still work. ( i am talking about 142's in multiple of 2 by the way, which is why this instruction has been issued) The fact that the door is only locked out of use for a couple of minutes on approach to Eggesford, and while station duties are completed, seems to have been overlooked.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on April 04, 2008, 13:57:35
Or the guard simply occupies the space of the door and refuses exit whilst operating the door from that position


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Jim on April 04, 2008, 15:11:41
Quote from: devon_metro
Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' ;).

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.
This is actually down to HMRI regulations that FGW have to follow. The easy way around this is to isolate the air on the rear door when arriving at Eggesford, as this is the only door that is not platformed( in both directions ), but HMRI say this is a hazard in case emergency access is needed through said door. This is not true if you only isolate the air on the door, and not use the physical locking bolts, as the emergency door release will still work. ( i am talking about 142's in multiple of 2 by the way, which is why this instruction has been issued) The fact that the door is only locked out of use for a couple of minutes on approach to Eggesford, and while station duties are completed, seems to have been overlooked.

The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TerminalJunkie on April 04, 2008, 22:33:24
Quote from: Jim
The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Jim on April 04, 2008, 22:41:18
Quote from: Jim
The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.

Ah - but is that allowed?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: gaf71 on April 05, 2008, 00:45:27
Quote from: Jim
The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.

Ah - but is that allowed?
No, but on arrival at work today, new instructions to traincrew were posted, informing us to isolate air on trailing door only, and release doors from leading door control of rear set. Common sense prevails for once!


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: John R on April 05, 2008, 08:55:27
So is this another possible example of someone at FGW reading the Forum, as you pointed this out only a couple of days ago?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: grahame on April 05, 2008, 10:03:19
So is this another possible example of someone at FGW reading the Forum, as you pointed this out only a couple of days ago?

In general, anyone who posts up on a publicly readable forum such as thsi must expect that their text is going to be read by a lot of people, including people the praise, people they criticise, and these people's contacts too.  In fact, the interested parties will tend to read much more (and much more closely) than people not concerned.   I expect (and know) that certain people who regard themselves as competitors of what I'm involve in away from this forum are significantly active of my work sites. 

Having said that, no-one should every regard a forum as a replacement for actually asking a direct question of (in the case of FGW) Customer Services or an alternative; there are lots of web sites out there and whilst I'm sure that we are read in various quarters, I wouldn't want to delude myself into thinking that it's any more that the occasional casual visit, nor that we have been the influence in "this" or "that" case.  FGW gets lots of other inputs, and the "hey - that's daft" in this case probably hit them from elsewhere as well!

To give you some statistics, this thread has been read around 430 times, from 268 unique (different) IP addresses.  A quick glance through them tells me that between 50 and 80 of those visiting addresses are automata - search engines or crawlers - which is why a google search for local door operation at eggesford brings you here, the rest look to me like they're real visitors, and mostly from UK IPs.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on April 05, 2008, 12:06:46
Good news then


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: des5564 on May 05, 2008, 16:20:41
Noticed today the 12.40 from Barnstaple was 2x142 but rear unit locked with front one full and standing. Thought this problem had been sorted?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Lee on May 05, 2008, 16:37:21
Welcome to the forum, des5564.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 05, 2008, 16:37:36
Hi, des5564,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for your post here!

Can any of our FGW staff (or, indeed, other) members provide any answer to this apparently ongoing issue?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: des5564 on May 05, 2008, 16:49:13
Thanks for the welcome. I see the same thing happens every saturday but not sure about weekdays.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: gaf71 on May 06, 2008, 17:39:09
Noticed today the 12.40 from Barnstaple was 2x142 but rear unit locked with front one full and standing. Thought this problem had been sorted?
In that case I would say that it was one of the new conductors (of which there are a few) working the train, who hasn't seen the new instruction. It still states on the diagram that the rear set should be locked out of use.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: qwerty on May 06, 2008, 18:07:10
Noticed today the 12.40 from Barnstaple was 2x142 but rear unit locked with front one full and standing. Thought this problem had been sorted?
In that case I would say that it was one of the new conductors (of which there are a few) working the train, who hasn't seen the new instruction. It still states on the diagram that the rear set should be locked out of use.

Believe one of the old hand drivers was responsible. His diagram stated 'rear unit oou' so he stuck to that rather than the briefing.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Jim on May 06, 2008, 19:13:35
That  service will probabally go back to two car in TT change, as the return no longer forms the PM Torre SChool train....


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: John R on May 06, 2008, 19:38:30
on a Saturday?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Jim on May 06, 2008, 20:07:05
on a Saturday?

Didn't check Saturday, but weekdays yes..........


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: John R on May 06, 2008, 20:10:53
From previous posts the overcrowding tends to be on Saturdays, so hopefully someone will have thought of that if its reducing to 1 unit during the week.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: des5564 on May 11, 2008, 15:20:32
North Devon Journal says journeys increased by 20% during first 3 months of 2008 and additional train being put on.
Julian Crow, FGW general manager for the west of England said: "We are delighted to have been able to find the resourses to run this additional train and to meet the needs of passengers on this increasingly busy and important railway line. If growth continues at this rate, we will soon need even more trains on the line"


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: devon_metro on May 11, 2008, 15:51:43
Doesn't surprise me, Devon local services are very well used. Cutting the line off at Exeter would be suicidal!

I'd love to see figures for the whole of Devon


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: JayMac on August 14, 2009, 22:04:35
From firstgreatwestern.co.uk:

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14th August 2009    Time: 21:25  Update 5

Services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple in both directions have been suspended due to a track defect in the Eggesford area. Road replacement will operate for the rest of this evening between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple via all stations and return and will operate as close to timetable as road conditions permit.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: ReWind on August 15, 2009, 11:24:20
Wow!!  Exeter - Barnstaple ( via all stations ) bus! How long does that take?

Cant be all too comfy travelling all the way through!!  :D :o


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TerminalJunkie on August 16, 2009, 00:02:05
I hope they had enough buses on: there would probably have been 150-200 people at Eggesford waiting for a Jazz Train!


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 11, 2017, 19:09:52
Eggesford Station buildings for sale

The Station House is for sale, reports devonlive (http://www.devonlive.com/unique-train-station-for-sale-on-picturesque-devon-line/story-30381391-detail/story.html).

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Having been built for the London and South Western Railway in around 1850, Eggesford Station was opened by the North Devon Railway on August 1, 1854. The station was built on permission from the then landowner, the Earl of Portsmouth, whose country seat was situated within an estate near to the site of the station.   

It is said that the Earl agreed to the railway being built on his land on the understanding that all trains would stop at the station to offer easy access to Eggesford House for visiting guests. To this day, all trains on the picturesque Tarka Line continue to stop at Eggesford on an hourly basis with the journey to Exeter Central taking around 45 minutes and the journey to Barnstaple about half an hour.

Built in a Tudor Gothic Style, the mid-19th century station house is Grade-II listed. The building originally provided a station master's residence as well as the ticket office, parcel store, waiting room and toilets.

(http://www.devonlive.com/images/localworld/ugc-images/276269/binaries/station%20house%20%20(5)4.JPG)

This really is the most quirky and beautiful property. And, subject to planning, has the potential to offer perhaps a tearoom for passing cyclists and holiday makers, or you could make the main house your own and turn the station and its detached building into holiday lets.

Eggesford offers many places to walk, cycle and jog, many places to explore. A hotel up the road offers Sunday carverys and there are plenty of neighbouring villages to explore too.

And what could be easier than commuting to Exeter or Barnstaple each day for work? You could simply roll out of bed, onto the platform and jump on the train to the office.

The Station House is for sale by informal tender with a guide of £200,000. All offers are to be submitted in writing no later than midday on Friday, June 30 2017.  To find out more about the Station House, to book an appointment to view or for a tender form, contact Stags on 01769 572263.




Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: John R on June 11, 2017, 21:11:29
Does this hold the record for the longest gap between posts?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 11, 2017, 21:22:54
Possibly: I even had to dredge up and merge a couple of previous topics before I posted!  ;) :D ;D



Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TonyK on August 05, 2017, 22:54:14
Eggesford is exactly midway between my country abode and my daughter's home. Travel to occasional meetings when neither of us can be bothered going all the way to the other's place tends to be by car, but invariably involves lunch at the cafe in the nearby garden centre. You could maybe open a cafe in the station house, but the competition is a quality act.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 08:06:47
Reports that the Token Hut at Eggesford Station has caught fire.

In addition a train is in difficulties at Newton St Cyres after hitting an obstruction on the track.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Timmer on March 28, 2019, 08:11:17
Reports that the Token Hut at Eggesford Station has caught fire.

In addition a train is in difficulties at Newton St Cyres after hitting an obstruction on the track.
All in all quite a challenging morning for GWR and it's passengers in the South West.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2019, 15:59:28
Reports that the Token Hut at Eggesford Station has caught fire.

In addition a train is in difficulties at Newton St Cyres after hitting an obstruction on the track.
All in all quite a challenging morning for GWR and it's passengers in the South West.

Turns out the incidents are linked - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21282.0 where the others have been merged. I am leaving  the post I've just quoted under "Eggesford" to avoid the various elements getting too scrambled; I would hate anyone to think I had poached a story from the Tarka line ...


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: bobm on March 29, 2019, 07:34:10
A full service is operating between Exeter and Barnstaple this morning with pilot working in place due to the issues at Eggesford.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: grahame on March 29, 2019, 07:42:50
A full service is operating between Exeter and Barnstaple this morning with pilot working in place due to the issues at Eggesford.

I suspect a "full" service in more ways than one!

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17:25 Exmouth to Barnstaple due 19:12
Facilities on the 17:25 Exmouth to Barnstaple due 19:12.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 4.

Is that one of the ones that there have been standby buses for on a Friday at St David's due to capacity issues?

But is good to see far, far fewer short forms these days.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: bobm on March 29, 2019, 07:45:59
I suspect some of today's short forms are a direct result of yesterday.  The 2+4 set from Stoke Canon will almost certainly be out of traffic and judging by reports the unit involved at Newton St Cyres will be on the depot too.

No trusty 153s to call on.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: phile on March 29, 2019, 11:59:42
I suspect some of today's short forms are a direct result of yesterday.  The 2+4 set from Stoke Canon will almost certainly be out of traffic and judging by reports the unit involved at Newton St Cyres will be on the depot too.

No trusty 153s to call on.

There are quite a number of short forms shown on Journey Check on the Devon Metro this morning.  I think the 2+4s are complete after a change of train from a 150 on 2C43 0624 Bristol TM to Penzance this morning


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: bobm on April 09, 2019, 05:00:14
After nearly a fortnight of pilot working on the Barnstaple branch following the fire at Eggesford, a new token machine has been installed and normal working has resumed.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Umberleigh on April 17, 2019, 22:09:30
What is pilot working? In my fevered imagination its a class 58 as pilot loco, but I realise this is unlikely


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: bradshaw on April 17, 2019, 22:21:24
Effectively, Pilot working is where a person (the pilot) takes the place of the token.
This gives a detailed description.
https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/gert8000-p2%20iss%201.pdf

S&T Engineer can probably give a better description.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: jamestheredengine on April 18, 2019, 08:19:00
So who's allowed to be a pilotman? Is it usually a signalman or a driver?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 18, 2019, 08:20:27
Effectively, Pilot working is where a person (the pilot) takes the place of the token.
This gives a detailed description.
https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/gert8000-p2%20iss%201.pdf

S&T Engineer can probably give a better description.

Correct.  The exemption is where a token is available but cannot be passed through the token machine but this usually prevents the signal leading to the single line section not being able to be cleared so its often quicker to have a 'human token'.  Think RSSB need to come into the 21st Century PILOTMAN  ::)


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 18, 2019, 08:22:36
So who's allowed to be a pilotman? Is it usually a signalman or a driver?

It can be a qualified signaller, but if its short term its usually the Local Operations Manager (LOM).


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: eightf48544 on April 18, 2019, 10:17:22
Before the split between track and train  and bi directional signalling it was often Station Staff who acted as pilotmen particularly when Single line working was instigated temporarily.  There were  fairly lengthy instructions as to who could initiate single line working what forms  of different colours  had to be issued in the particular circumstances, who signed them who saw a copy etc. 


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TonyK on May 01, 2019, 07:52:49
Turns out the incidents are linked - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21282.0 where the others have been merged. I am leaving  the post I've just quoted under "Eggesford" to avoid the various elements getting too scrambled; I would hate anyone to think I had poached a story from the Tarka line ...

I know it's Eggesford, but this story is off the boil now. I can't think of a "fried" pun to complete the set.

Correct.  The exemption is where a token is available but cannot be passed through the token machine but this usually prevents the signal leading to the single line section not being able to be cleared so its often quicker to have a 'human token'.  Think RSSB need to come into the 21st Century PILOTMAN  ::)

"Pilotperson" is much more appropriate, especially as the signalling is bi-directional.


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: Umberleigh on May 02, 2019, 19:36:19
Eggesford is exactly midway between my country abode and my daughter's home. Travel to occasional meetings when neither of us can be bothered going all the way to the other's place tends to be by car, but invariably involves lunch at the cafe in the nearby garden centre. You could maybe open a cafe in the station house, but the competition is a quality act.

On a recent trip up to Umberleigh I noticed there is now a cafe in the old sidings yard, named the Eggesford Crossing Cafe. Anyone tried it out?


Title: Re: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)
Post by: TonyK on May 02, 2019, 21:53:36
On a recent trip up to Umberleigh I noticed there is now a cafe in the old sidings yard, named the Eggesford Crossing Cafe. Anyone tried it out?

Ooh, I might be out that way over the weekend!



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