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Journey by Journey => Swindon to Gloucester / Cheltenham => Topic started by: ellendune on March 05, 2015, 07:55:54



Title: Journey between routes time Swindon to Cheltenham
Post by: ellendune on March 05, 2015, 07:55:54
Yesterday I travelled from Swindon to catch the 9:12 train from Cheltenham to Birmingham.  I arrived early at Swindon to catch the 7:50 which was being shown running late.  Since the connection is tight I decided to catch the 7:40 train to Bristol Parkway and pick my train up there.  What surprised me was just how long I had to wait at Parkway for my train (both trains were on time). 

Why is the route  through Stroud so slow compared to the long way round via Bristol Parkway? Could anything be done to speed things up.

Incidentally had I caught the 7:50 I would have caught my connecting train, but I did not know that of course. 


Title: Re: Journey between routes time Swindon to Cheltenham
Post by: grahame on March 05, 2015, 08:40:07

Why is the route  through Stroud so slow compared to the long way round via Bristol Parkway?

1. 75 m.p.h. stock schedules (class 150 / 153)
2. Twists and turns and climbs on the route
3. Services reverse at Gloucester on their way to Cheltenham Spa


Title: Re: Journey between routes time Swindon to Cheltenham
Post by: stuving on March 05, 2015, 10:01:09

Why is the route  through Stroud so slow compared to the long way round via Bristol Parkway?

1. 75 m.p.h. stock schedules (class 150 / 153)
2. Twists and turns and climbs on the route
3. Services reverse at Gloucester on their way to Cheltenham Spa

And the number of stops is the other thing. If you break it down, then (approximating a bit):

Via BPW it is 63 miles with no intervening stops, and takes 55 minutes in the two fast trains. The linespeed is mostly 90-100 mph, and the time reflects that plus the single stop and start for each train.

"Direct", it is 43 miles without the Gloucester detour, and three stops plus Gloucester on the way. It takes 74 minutes. The linespeed is now mostly 90 mph or more, but the train only does 75 mph. Going via Gloucester adds 17 minutes, which looks rather generous. 43 miles with no stops would take about 43 minutes, at best. And the three other stops could plausibly add the other 14 minutes.

Upgrading to 90 mph 165/166s trims about 4 minutes in running time, and perhaps a bit more in better acceleration from stops (especially if any of them are uphill). Doing something about Gloucester has more potential, even without the through platforms that are proposed in the Route Study.

But the main message is that the short route is "only" 20 miles shorter, say 20 minutes less, and being a slow stopping train adds back twice that much.



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