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Title: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: phile on December 26, 2011, 14:27:18
As the Cascade of 150s from LM is now complete, I have decided to post this item on this Board where I feel it may be more appropriate rather than on the "Across The West" Board.   150002 is at Reading for staff familiarisation and 150001 is at Barton Hill being refreshed into FGW Livery etc.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: anthony215 on December 26, 2011, 14:39:37
As the Cascade of 150s from LM is now complete, I have decided to post this item on this Board where I feel it may be more appropriate rather than on the "Across The West" Board.   150002 is at Reading for staff familiarisation and 150001 is at Barton Hill being refreshed into FGW Livery etc.

Its on WNXX  that 150001 is also having some structural work done to it as well, I wonder what the structural problem is.

Hopefully we will be able to see these 2  class 150's in service soon.

I think praise has to be given to the FGW mangement for coming up with this idea.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: phile on December 26, 2011, 14:50:28
Yes.   Obtained additional Sets for FGW as a whole.   The original DaFT intention was to go into Store at Eastleigh.   One of them actually moved there and subsequently recovered .   Also obtained the oddball toiletless 150209 to use as Centre Cars to from 3 Coach 150 Sets.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: The SprinterMeister on January 21, 2012, 22:45:02
Its on WNXX  that 150001 is also having some structural work done to it as well, I wonder what the structural problem is.

General heavy repairs to coach bodyshells. Those 150/0's have been around for well over 25 years.

150001 to move from Barton Hill to RDG this coming Monday I believe. Fitting staff being trained using 150002.

Edited to fix quote. i_b


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: coachflyer on January 29, 2012, 16:16:21
150001 ran two test trains today.

It is hoped to be out doing a few trips in passenger service tomorrow starting with the 1007 to help speed up training.

Full service with both units is due to start on 27 Feb.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 29, 2012, 17:53:45
photos on flickr, the outside looks smart would be interesting to see how they are inside


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 30, 2012, 22:33:26
It is hoped to be out doing a few trips in passenger service tomorrow starting with the 1007 to help speed up training.

Quite correct - it managed to successfully work 16 trains between the two peaks working alternate trains with 165122.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 09, 2012, 20:55:51
From the Basingstoke Gazette (http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/9518064.On_track_for_peak_performance/):

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Peak time rail capacity to go up between Basingstoke and Reading

Train capacity between Basingstoke and Reading will be beefed up by 12 per cent at peak times ^ thanks to investment from rail operator First Great Western.

The first of two Class 150 trains, which previously served London Midland, began operating on weekday commuter services along the route on January 30. The other is expected to be in operation by the end of February.

Pictures of the train chugging along its new route were captured by Marion and David Canning, well-known railway photographers based in Aldermaston.

Mr Canning praised First Great Western for bringing the carriages into use. He said: ^I feel they are a big improvement, although older, as the extra coach will help a lot. The newest is not always the best ^ it was quite a smooth ride and the seats are nice and comfortable.^

The new trains are an answer to increased demand for First Great Western services, according to bosses.

First Great Western managing director Mark Hopwood explained: ^While that demand is gratifying in one respect, it has put real pressure on the capacity of some of our services, particularly at peak times.

^I am pleased we have been able to deliver these investments for our customers, even as we approach the final year of the current franchise.

^We have been working closely with the Department for Transport for some time to find a way to deliver that extra capacity for customers, and I am delighted we were able to reach a new deal and deliver extra seats for Basingstoke commuters.^


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 29, 2012, 15:26:06
Full service with both units is due to start on 27 Feb.

And it has - though 150002 was suffering with engine problems and was replaced mid-morning today.  Best that a 165 is kept on standby for the time being I think! 


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: JayMac on February 29, 2012, 16:17:38
Where are these two 150s being maintained? Is light work being done at Reading with anything more serious requiring a move to SPM?


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 01, 2012, 03:21:07
I think Reading is also set up to do heavy maintenance on 14x and 15x units as well as the Turbos, so they shouldn't need to return to the Marsh. It's not unheard of for Sprinters and Pacers to find their way to Reading from SPM for heavy work on occasion.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 25, 2012, 20:00:18
From the letters page of the Basingstoke Gazette (http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/letters/9609481.No_new_trains__just_old_problems/):

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No new trains, just old problems

Sir.^I was sorry to see that Basingstoke MP Maria Miller fell for the "spin" that First Great Western trains gave her.

The replacement trains on the stopping service between Basingstoke and Reading are not new. They are some of the oldest in service, built in 1984.

The newer "Turbos" have been transferred to FGW's more important routes. There are more seats but the space per seat is much less and there is no first class.

I would be less than pleased if I commuted to Paddington every day and paid extra for first class. In December, I wrote to Maria warning her of the planned changes and the likely effect on services. I was assured that it would be better.

The new trains are far from reliable. There are only two of them with no back-up. In the last three weeks, there have been several failures. One afternoon both units failed leaving a gap of 90 minutes between trains.

Only two weeks ago, when I tried to travel to Reading, one of the units failed at Basingstoke leaving a 60-minute gap between trains. On Friday, that unit was still awaiting repair. So much for improved reliability.

Even when working, the "new" trains struggle to keep time. My train was 10 minutes late leaving Reading, due probably to congestion whilst rebuilding takes place. It failed to make up any time. This caused me to miss my "new" hourly bus service to Old Basing.

Maria, please experience for yourself the public transport that your constituents endure. Come on the late running 09.30am bus from Old Basing with 15 passengers standing. Come to the station and miss the train. Wait for an hour because your "new" train has failed.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on March 25, 2012, 20:20:29
wasn't interested in the hourly xc fast service then?


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Jason on March 26, 2012, 14:31:31
Having endured these 'new' trains for some weeks now as part of my daily commute to London I can but concur with this level of frustration.

The punctuality is appalling with the departure boards in both directions regularly showing delays. Whilst waiting for the delayed 6:19 from Mortimer last week, the 6:16 down to Basingstoke was even then showing a 10 minute delay.
Even when stated as on-time the trains will run a few minutes late. All within tolerance but this was very much the exception with the Turbo services.

The reliability would appear to be highly questionable judging by the (welcome) number of times that Turbo trains have been back on the route during the week.

It seems to take an inordinate amount of time for the door light to illuminate when stopping at stations and then again to get moving again.

The interior decor is a thin veneer of modernity over what is clearly a dated shell. Despite the space from the extra carriage the seating layout feels cramped. Many people prefer to stand despite the presence of plenty of seating. The sets of three seats are fit only for children or two adults sharing bag space on the centre one.

To address one point in the quoted article though - to their credit, FGW did compensate first class season ticket holders for the cessation of that part of the service.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: anthony215 on March 26, 2012, 14:39:34
I have noticed the class 150's do seems to be a  little slugish then again ATW do have 1 or 2 which are very quick off the mark.

I wonder if the class 150's are refurbished to meet DDA legislation that the new dorr lights etc will iluminate more quickly.

I think praise has to be given to the FGW manageent for getting these class 150's and hopefully things will get sorted out soon


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: paul7575 on March 26, 2012, 15:19:54
FGW didn't explicitly announce that they were new:

"Two three-car Class 150 trains - six carriages - will also be leased and refreshed to operate weekday
commuter services between Reading and Basingstoke, increasing peak capacity by around 13 per cent."

There is cover in case of failure, they would bring a 165 off the depot.  With the best will in the world, unless the failure is at the Reading end, and a driver is sitting in the cab of a spare unit waiting to go, it is almost certainly going to cause a gap in the frequency at Basingstoke - just like it would if a 165 failed...

Paul


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 26, 2012, 18:33:48
It seems to take an inordinate amount of time for the door light to illuminate when stopping at stations and then again to get moving again.

It will do compared with a Turbo where drivers operate the doors.  Though that sort of delay is commonplace throughout the country on stock where a similar door procedure takes place (i.e. non DOO services).  For example, on the Reading to Waterloo line.  I think the punctuality (and reliability) issues will bed down and improve over the coming months though - after all these are different types of train operationally to a Turbo and it will take staff a little while to get used to them.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 26, 2012, 23:29:30
What the First Great Western press release actually said was:

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EXTRA CAPACITY ON READING TO BASINGSTOKE ROUTE

Two class 150 trains have gone into service on the weekday commuter route between Reading and Basingstoke, increasing overall seating capacity on the line by 22%.

Last November First Great Western announced they were successful in securing and investing in 48 additional carriages to come into service across our network between February and September 2012.

For Basingstoke commuters, we obtained two three-car Class 150 trains - six carriages -  which were previously in operation for London Midland.  The units were refreshed at our Reading depot with staff working as quickly as possible to bring them into use.

One of the units began working the 10:07 and 15:07 Reading-Basingstoke from Jan 30, and the other 150 officially went into service on March 2.

The extra capacity has been hailed by commuters and disabled travel campaigners.   

Basingstoke MP Maria Miller said:

^It is good news for passengers on this route that there is now more seating available, which will be particularly welcomed by commuters travelling at peak times

^I was also pleased to hear that the new trains are more accessible for disabled people too, with each train carrying its own ramp, and more space available on board for wheelchair users. It is really important for disabled people to be able to get around, and I applaud First Great Western on giving this the priority it deserves.^

First Great Western General Manager Claire Mann said:
 
"These trains are an important part of our commitment to reduce crowding on our services in the London and Thames Valley area, and will improve capacity for commuters between Basingstoke and Reading by some 22 per cent.

"Over the past six weeks our staff have given their all to get these trains into fantastic shape for our customers, and from the comments I've had today, I know they're already noticing a real difference."


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: paul7575 on March 27, 2012, 12:56:33
But my quote was from the original press release about the trains in November, you must be quoting from a later announcement, which doesn't seem to be easily found on FGW's website.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/~/media/PDF/Press%20Releases/HLOS%20-%20General%20and%20for%20website.pdf

In any case, we all use the word 'new' in different ways - for instance when buying second hand stuff like houses or cars.  The attempted point scoring sometimes seen about the word new is a bit silly really.  If all the announcements only used the word 'additional' they'd seem very repetitive...

Paul


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 27, 2012, 20:38:31
Sorry for any misunderstanding, Paul - I wasn't contradicting you at all.

The point I was trying to make was that the only use of the word 'new', in connection with these additional trains, in that press release was made by the local MP:

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Basingstoke MP Maria Miller said: ^I was also pleased to hear that the new trains are more accessible for disabled people too ... "

Hence the rather tetchy letter to the Basingstoke Gazette (http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/letters/9609481.No_new_trains__just_old_problems/), which I had quoted previously.

Hope this clarifies the point.  :)

Chris.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: thetrout on April 20, 2012, 08:49:31
Slightly off topic, But I did spot a 3 car 150 at the junction for SPM on Tuesday :)


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: grahame on April 20, 2012, 09:50:54
Slightly off topic, But I did spot a 3 car 150 at the junction for SPM on Tuesday :)

I think there are four of them about - the two on the Basingstoke run, and two more based at Bristol which are 1501xx units with an extra centre car of the 1502xx types .  Due to accidents, there are two 1502xx cars that can't be coupled to form a train (lack of loo or wheelchair space, I think) so they have made up 3 car units.   I was on one on the Sunday evening TransWilts train the other week.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: phile on April 20, 2012, 18:38:51
Yes.  There are 4 of them.  150001 and 150002 working Reading to Basigstoke and 150121 and 150127 augmented to 3 Cars with spare odd carriages.   They are employed in the Bristol area.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Jason on September 21, 2012, 12:49:11
150001 and 150002 working Reading to Basingstoke

Is 150002 sick ? It had been disappearing a lot intra-day for months but a 165 seems to have been running this route along with 150001 for quite some days now.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: Southern Stag on September 21, 2012, 14:11:20
Only one of the 150s is booked to be out all day now. The other one has a couple of hours off in the middle of the day. Usually 150001 works all day with 150002 having the daytime rest, and everybody says how 150002 is the more unreliable of the two.


Title: Re: Class 150 Reading to Basingstoke
Post by: bobbyorson on September 21, 2012, 17:03:47
Only one 150 in traffic while CCTV is fitted to 150001



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