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Title: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 28, 2012, 09:58:37 pm
From the Bristol Post (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Bristol-Temple-Meads-transformation-heart/story-15931410-detail/story.html):

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The company which owns Temple Meads has drawn up a multi-million pound plan to transform Isambard Kingdom Brunel's iconic station.

The station is owned by Network Rail and the organisation has announced it is to launch a feasibility study into its ambitious plans.

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An artists's impression of the redevelopment of the Temple Meads area in Bristol

The work will coincide with the ^1 billion electrification of the Great Western line between Bristol and London.

As part of the scheme the approach to the station is to be closed off to traffic and turned into a pedestrian- friendly piazza. And there are also plans to create a new main entrance to the station at the side of the building. The move will mean the entrance would be in the same spot originally planned by Brunel.

The redevelopment work is also being planned to coincide with the creation of a new Enterprise Zone and is expected to be completed by 2018.

More than nine million passengers use the station every year and that total is expected to increase by around 50 per cent over the next decade.

The electrification of the Great Western Railway will mean that trains will arrive in Bristol from the capital every 15 minutes. Two disused platforms are to be reopened and a new terminus built for the London services. There are also hopes that rail links between Bristol, South Wales, the South West and the North will be improved.

A new subway under the existing forecourt is also on the cards, complete with shops and concession stands. It is hoped that improvement and refurbishment work can be carried out on the ornate facade of the station.

Work is also being carried out on platforms and junctions so the number of trains coming into the station can be increased.

A spokesman for Network Rail said: "Temple Meads is located right in the heart of the new Enterprise Zone and is among the busiest and fastest growing rail interchanges in the country. The rail industry, with support from the Greater Bristol area, including the West of England Local Enterprise Partnership, is currently developing a strategy to transform Bristol Temple Meads station into a world-class gateway for the city by the end of the decade."

If all goes to plan the refurbishment will start in the spring of 2014 and would be completed by 2018, when the new super-fast service between London and Bristol is launched.

The Post revealed some details of the new Enterprise Zone yesterday. An official launch for the zone was taking place today at a temporary circus tent which has been erected on land normally used as a car park next to the station.

The Local Enterprise Partnership is the driving force behind the ambitious scheme which could create up to 20,000 new jobs in the city.

Coln Skellett, the chairman of the of the LEP, said: "What we want is a world-class station to welcome people travelling to Bristol to do business with companies in the Enterprise Zone. Temple Meads has been in need of some attention for several years and we want to see it restored back to its former glory."

Work by developers TCN UK has already started on Collett House, which is next to the station, to turn it into a creative and digital campus, called Temple Studios. The scheme follows the first phase of their same company's Temple Gate project, which started with the redevelopment of the historic Bristol and Exeter House next to the current station approach.

As reported in the Post, the Government agency the Homes and Community Association has bought Brunel's Old Station building for ^5 million.

It will hand over the building to the city council and it will be used as a conference centre and hub for new businesses looking to move into the Enterprise Zone.

The nearby Pest Control Depot in Cattle Market Road is also being demolished to make way for a new bridge, which will connect the site earmarked for the long-awaited indoor arena to the Enterprise Zone and the rest of the city.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on May 05, 2012, 10:57:10 am
Network Rail Announce proposal to redevelop Bristol Temple Meads

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Our-vision-for-transforming-Bristol-Temple-Meads-into-a-world-class-railway-hub/ (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Our-vision-for-transforming-Bristol-Temple-Meads-into-a-world-class-railway-hub/)

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We aim to expand the station to ease congestion and provide excellent connectivity to London, the South West, Wales and the North.

Patrick Hallgate, our route managing director for Western said: ^Growing Bristol^s railway is vital to the success of the city^s new enterprise zone. A robust rail infrastructure is vital to a thriving economy and the rail industry is poised to support Bristol with an integrated rail strategy.

^Bristol Temple Meads is located right at the heart of the enterprise zone and is among the busiest and fastest growing rail interchanges on the Western route, receiving more than nine million passengers on average every year. Redeveloping the station into a world-class rail gateway, with excellent rail links, will be significant to help position the new business district as an ideal location for investment, whilst boosting economic growth and catering for growing rail demand.^

Feasibility study

We're leading a high-level feasibility study currently being carried out to determine the validity of this proposal, which is subject to Government funding.

Our proposal includes:

Station capacity improvements to ease current and predicted passenger congestion
A new eastern station access to ease congestion and provide a convenient link across and around Temple Quarter
A light and airy subway extension under the existing forecourt to provide a welcoming environment and improve retail opportunities for local businesses, whilst preserving the vistas of the historic grade 1 listed structure
Redeveloping the Digby Wyatt shed to bring it back to its former usage and reinstating two disused platforms for more train services

Additional improvements

We also recommend a number of improvements to the infrastructure to provide better journey times and more space, as well as flexibility on the railway around Bristol.

These recommendations include remodelling a key junction into the station area, additional infrastructure on the line to Bristol Parkway and improving the line-speed to the south west.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on May 05, 2012, 11:04:41 am
Complementary article in the Bristol Post

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Temple-Quarter-Enterprise-Zone-bring-jobs-new/story-15918850-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Temple-Quarter-Enterprise-Zone-bring-jobs-new/story-15918850-detail/story.html)

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Temple Quarter Enterprise Zone could bring jobs and new arena to Bristol

BRISTOL'S economy could be transformed and thousands of new jobs created under a new masterplan revealed today by the Post.

The city's Temple Quarter Enterprise Zone will be officially launched tomorrow ^ and with it, a blueprint for the Temple Meads area which includes a complete revamp of the city's main station and plans for a long-awaited indoor arena.

The team behind the ambitious scheme has come up with a 25-year vision designed to breathe new life into large chunks of the city and create a vibrant business, commercial and shopping district.

New squares and public spaces, a marina, roads and infrastructure are included.

The zone, drawn up by a partnership involving business leaders and the city council, comes with perks such as relaxed planning conditions, concessions on business rates and access to ultra-fast broadband.

The team behind the scheme wants to use potential income from the area to raise ^200 million worth of funding to help pay for infrastructure work.

The scheme will be officially launched tomorrow at an event at a temporary circus tent next to the station, which will be used to stage events throughout the summer. The aim is to give the new area a running start and attract interest from investors.

The creation of the Temple Meads Enterprise Zone was first announced by Chancellor George Osborne in last year's Budget.

The ultimate aim is to create 17,000 new jobs and bring 400 new firms to the city over the next two decades. The city's Local Enterprise Partnership, the organisation which is masterminding the scheme, has high hopes that the BBC will move its Bristol operation from Whiteladies Road on to vacant land next to the station and discussions have been taking place for several months.

The other major element of the scheme is a plan to build a 12,000-seat indoor arena on vacant land behind the station. The former diesel depot site was originally owned by the now-axed South West Regional Development Agency, which pumped ^20 million into the project, only to then decide it was not viable.

But the LEP, which has taken over the agency's development role in Bristol, has come up with a cheaper alternative arena scheme and says several operators are already interested.

The planned redevelopment of Temple Meads station has been included in the scheme and the idea is to completely refurbish the historic building. A new platform is planned in Brunel's original Passenger Shed for the service linking Bristol to London and the aim is to shift the main entrance of the building to where the long-stay car park now stands, creating a passenger hub to connect rail and bus services. Once electrification of the Great Western line is completed, high speed trains will run to London every 15 minutes.

The Paintworks project in Brislington is also part of the Enterprise Zone, along with a strip of land for creative companies, dubbed the "media mile".

The final strand of the project is the redevelopment of the St Philip's area to make it more attractive to businesses.

Colin Skellett, pictured, the chairman of the LEP, said: "What we want is to have a rail connection which will mean people will be able to travel to Paris in four hours.

"We want a modern and efficient transport system which will see people arriving into Bristol right into the heart of a vibrant business, commercial and leisure district to rival any city in the world.

"There is no other major city in the UK that does not have an arena and we want to address that situation."

He described the BBC as a "cornerstone of the Enterprise Zone".

City Council Leader Barbara Janke said: "Bristol has a huge amount to offer potential businesses wishing to invest. With its simplified planning and business rate discounts, the Enterprise Zone offers an exciting investment opportunity at the heart of the city and the South West region."

The Homes and Communities Agency, which owns three pieces of land around the station, has spent ^5 million on Brunel's Old Station and the derelict Pest Control Depot in Cattle Market Road.

Part of the listed Old Station building will be used as a conference venue and a centre for new businesses.

Organisations which have agreed to lend their help and expertise to the scheme include the major banks, stockbroker Hargreaves Lansdown and Bristol University. The University of the West of England, IBM, the Watershed and media umbrella group Bristol Media are also involved.

Refurbishment work has also started on Collett House next to the station and talks are taking place with the owners of the of derelict Royal Mail sorting office with the aim of turning the building into a brand new office block.

A spokeswoman for the BBC said: "At the moment we are looking at potential sites for re-location within the city, including the newly created Enterprise Zone, and have not ruled anything out."


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on September 30, 2012, 10:15:04 pm
I was standing on Platform 15 waiting for the 18:00 this evening and it struck me that if a thin sliver of the old post office site were reserved it would be quite easy to have a platform 16.  does anyone know if this possiblity is being included in the redevelopment proposal, even if it is only to reserve the land for future use?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: tramway on October 02, 2012, 05:01:22 pm
I suspect that there is sufficient capacity both at Temple Meads and within the greater Bristol area that additional land probably isn't required.

Platform 1 extended into the old shed, and a new platform 0, re-open Platform 2, and there is also options I'm sure to remodel around 15.

Once Filton bank is 4 tracked there's scope for Lawrence Hill improvements as a better interchange from the east if rhubarb curve is utilised.

Although I don't use it there must be options for improvements at Bedminster to serve inbound from the west.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: mfpa on October 04, 2012, 09:56:33 pm
All looks really positive, but why not abandon Temple Meads and build a modern station near Dr Day's Junction?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on October 04, 2012, 10:25:57 pm
All looks really positive, but why not abandon Temple Meads and build a modern station near Dr Day's Junction?

Temple Meads is already a long way from the City Centre. Why would you want to move it any further away? In the 18th century the Barton Hill area was a merchant's country estate!

I suspect that there is sufficient capacity both at Temple Meads and within the greater Bristol area that additional land probably isn't required.

Platform 1 extended into the old shed, and a new platform 0, re-open Platform 2, and there is also options I'm sure to remodel around 15.

Once Filton bank is 4 tracked there's scope for Lawrence Hill improvements as a better interchange from the east if rhubarb curve is utilised.

Although I don't use it there must be options for improvements at Bedminster to serve inbound from the west.

Yes there are plenty of bay platforms, and the new London services can use those that will be restored in the old train shed, but the Bristol Metro proposals call for more through platforms.  

Why would you want passenger services to go round the east curve and not serve Temple Meads.  Do you think no-one wants to go to the city centre?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: mfpa on October 07, 2012, 02:48:33 pm
Temple Meads is already a long way from the City Centre. Why would you want to move it any further away?

You would want to move the station slightly to cut out all the time wasted on trains changing ends at Temple Meads as they come in from the north and go out towards the east (and vice versa).

Cabot Circus is virtually equi-distant from Temple Meads, Dr Day's Junction, and Lawrence Hill. The Colston Hall is only around 600 yards further from Dr Day's Junction than it is from Temple Meads. And those that didn't want to walk could look for a closer station on the Bristol Metro services.

Quote from: ellendune
Yes there are plenty of bay platforms, and the new London services can use those that will be restored in the old train shed, but the Bristol Metro proposals call for more through platforms.

Building a new station near Dr Day's Junction should be able to provide the extra through platforms.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on October 07, 2012, 03:28:46 pm
Barton Hill looks very nice as a location an interchange station, and if Bristol was simply a place where people changed from one train to another it would makes sense.  However, I don't know if you had noticed, but quite a few people work there during the day and go back home at night and many of them use the train to get there, others want to go shopping in the city centre and use the train.  If you move the main station in Bristol to Dr Days Junction then the vast majority of the commuters and shopper would either use the car - in which case the shoppers would probably go to Cribbs Causeway instead. 

Last Sunday I walked from College Green to catch a train back to Swindon (Distance just over 1 mile).  If I had had to walk to  Dr Day's Junction it would have been 2 miles and through some less savory parts of town. Certainly would not do it after dark.  I think I would have taken the car all the way from Swindon.

Forgive me but I cannot think of a City other than London where the main railway station is 2 miles out of the city centre.  Temple Meads is on the edge of the city centre, moving it another mile to the east would be a disaster for rail travel in Bristol.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 08, 2012, 11:42:34 pm
Forgive me but I cannot think of a City other than London where the main railway station is 2 miles out of [Bristol] city centre.

Quote from: http://visitbristol.co.uk/about-bristol/travel-and-maps/getting-to-bristol/
Bristol Temple Meads is the main railway station, situated approximately 15 minutes' walk from the City Centre.

Do Bristolians really walk that quickly?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on October 08, 2012, 11:57:13 pm
Forgive me but I cannot think of a City other than London where the main railway station is 2 miles out of [Bristol] city centre.

Quote from: http://visitbristol.co.uk/about-bristol/travel-and-maps/getting-to-bristol/
Bristol Temple Meads is the main railway station, situated approximately 15 minutes' walk from the City Centre.

Do Bristolians really walk that quickly?

1 mile at 4 miles an hour!  That is a brisk walk I know but still a walk.   I know I took and extreme end College Green, but that is where the City Council is based.  However my point was about moving it to Barton Hill a further mile away. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on October 09, 2012, 12:17:10 am
And those that didn't want to walk could look for a closer station on the Bristol Metro services.

And those that don't want to walk the the centre, Park Street, Harbourside etc etc? What Bristol Metro service will suit them? Just about bearable at under a mile on foot from Temple Meads. Much less bearable at around 1.7 miles from Barton Hill.

Do Bristolians really walk that quickly?

I think you misunderstood. The station would be near two miles from the centre if it were to relocate to the Barton Hill area.

It takes this slightly portly near 40 year old 12 minutes to walk from the City Centre (St Augustine's Parade) or the retail centre (Broadmead) to Temple Meads. And that's nothing more than my usual amble.

I too see little need to relocate the station to Dr Day's Junction.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on October 09, 2012, 09:01:03 am
Hear, hear BNM !

Made my day ..as rather more than slightly portly, and pushing 60, it also takes me 12 mins to walk from @ Bristol to TM ...over Pero's bridge across Queen Square, SMR and up the incline. Of course some of us put all the calories back on in Wetherspoons...

On the foodie note , has anyone else had a shock going into the transport caff at TM ... turned into a Parisian nighclub with black tiles on the wall, downlighters, shelves and perchy stools....

All we need now is Hugh hefners bunny girls .... ???


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Phil on October 09, 2012, 01:04:52 pm
I cannot think of a City other than London where the main railway station is 2 miles out of the city centre. 


My home town of Wells. Nearest station now is 15 miles away in Castle Cary.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: phile on October 09, 2012, 07:48:01 pm
It must be borne in mind that the station must be by the railway   !!!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: grahame on October 09, 2012, 08:25:13 pm
It must be borne in mind that the station must be by the railway   !!!

There are exceptions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_railway_station

But I would agree in the case of Bristol!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on October 17, 2012, 08:52:43 pm
There is already a station close to Dr Days Junction - Lawrence Hill. I agree that no more is needed than already announced.

The plans for the subway at Temple Meads seem to suggest that a great deal of digging will be needed, at a cost of many many pounds. Also, we will have many months of disruption, all of which will be worthwhile when it is finished. I like the idea for the new entrance, and also for the access from the other side, where the rat catchers live currently.

I hope the access problems at other stations are also addressed. On the way back from Shire last week, we stopped at Stapleton Road, to pick up an elderly lady on her way to Lawrence Hill. She had got off a train that didn't stop there. I had to get out to give her a bunk-up, and again at Lawrence Hill to help her off. The step down to the platform at both is enormous, with a sizeable gap - I hadn't realised how bad it is. The lady asked the conductor how she could complain. She was told that the staff have been complaining about it for years. She was beginning her ascent of the stairs as the train pulled out, and might still be there now.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 14, 2012, 01:13:09 am
From the Bristol Post (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/pound-100-million-promised-Temple-Meads-revamp/story-17309131-detail/story.html):

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^100 million promised for Temple Meads revamp

A Government minister has announced that ^100 million is to be spent on bringing Bristol's Temple Meads station into the modern age ^ with more cash on the way.

The money will be divided between upgrading the station and opening up two unused platforms for the new electrified trains which will operate between Bristol and London.

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Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin at Temple Meads station

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin came to Bristol for the cabinet meeting and met bosses from First Great Western and Network Rail at the station.

As well as revealing that ^100 million will be spent on Brunel's Victorian masterpiece the minister added that he is looking forward to working with the city's first elected mayor.

During the visit it emerged that Network Rail, which operates the station, has put ^100 million to one side to pay for a major revamp of the historic building. And more money is also expected to be spent on creating a new entrance at the side of the building and turning the current approach into a public square.

Mr McLoughlin said: "This is a fantastic facility and a fantastic station and there has been a big increase in demand for rail travel in recent years. It is fantastic that such a great city as Bristol is going to get a great service to match its aspirations."


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 19, 2012, 12:05:48 am
From the Bristol Post (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/pound-100-million-promised-Temple-Meads-revamp/story-17309131-detail/story.html):

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^100 million promised for Temple Meads revamp

A Government minister has announced that ^100 million is to be spent on bringing Bristol's Temple Meads station into the modern age ^ with more cash on the way.

The money will be divided between upgrading the station and opening up two unused platforms for the new electrified trains which will operate between Bristol and London.

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Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin at Temple Meads station

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin came to Bristol for the cabinet meeting and met bosses from First Great Western and Network Rail at the station.

As well as revealing that ^100 million will be spent on Brunel's Victorian masterpiece the minister added that he is looking forward to working with the city's first elected mayor.

During the visit it emerged that Network Rail, which operates the station, has put ^100 million to one side to pay for a major revamp of the historic building. And more money is also expected to be spent on creating a new entrance at the side of the building and turning the current approach into a public square.

Mr McLoughlin said: "This is a fantastic facility and a fantastic station and there has been a big increase in demand for rail travel in recent years. It is fantastic that such a great city as Bristol is going to get a great service to match its aspirations."

Fantastic.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2013, 01:19:44 am
From the Bristol Post (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Giant-plant-appears-Temple-Mead-station/story-17986366-detail/story.html):

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Giant plant appears at Temple Mead station

Passengers arriving at Temple Meads Station were greeted by what appeared to be a bizarre sight - a giant plant growing out of the ground.

The inflatable was part of an art project designed to attract people and businesses to the new Enterprise Zone around the station.

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Giant plant appears at Temple Meads

Two new artworks by Bristol based Filthy Luker and Inky were unveiled yesterday as part of the new campaign.

The installations are part of the BTQ Commissions project and aim to provide a better welcome to the city at Temple Meads and raise awareness over the new Enterprise Zone.

A competition was also launched at the station by Bristol Festival of Ideas director Andrew Kelly to help visitors learn about the area and guide them on their way.

Proposals include short films, posters, cartoons, short stories, street art or drama performances. The Creative Gateway competition will give ten awards of ^500 for project proposals to be developed.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on January 29, 2013, 01:32:09 am
Just right for scaring the little ones in the next door nursery.  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on January 29, 2013, 08:58:16 am
The nursery staff could always use it as a lifesize prop for'Jack and the beanstalk' ..or is that not allowed on pc racist.sexist grounds these days ( 'Englishman') or even vegetarian cruelty ? ('Chop!) ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 09, 2013, 11:45:05 pm
From The Post (Bristol) (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/story-18346731-detail/story.html?#axzz2N34OJtsA):

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Bristol City Council has bought an office block near Temple Meads railway station for ^18 million as part of a massive overhaul of council offices.

But what should it be called?

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100 Temple Street

The former London Life headquarters are uninspiringly known as 100 Temple Street. But the office block is capable of eventually housing 2,000 staff who are currently based in a varied collection of 35 buildings throughout the city. The long-term aim is to bring all the admin staff together mostly into 100 Temple Street and City Hall in College Green which will undergo a refurbishment of nearly ^8 million.

We are asking readers to suggest a new name for the office block which befits its new high-profile role.

Bristol mayor George Ferguson said: ^It makes complete sense for the council to vastly reduce the number of offices it currently owns or leases across the city and consolidate into a few core offices. The location of 100 Temple Street is very strategic next to Temple meads and the planned Metrobus interchange, as well as being right at the heart of our ambitious plans for Redcliffe and the whole Enterprise Zone area.^

He said they looked at various other offices in the city which the council could have bought - some of which could have been cheaper - but this office block trumped the others, mostly due to its location near Temple Meads. In the years to come, Mr Ferguson sees council staff travelling to work on the metro system to Temple Meads and walking a few hundred yards to their office.

The council could also not have bought a better time due to the recession which has seen the bottom fall out of the commercial property market. It is understood that the purchase price was less than half what the owners, Aviva Investors Property Trust, paid for the office block at the height of the boom in 2005.

The purchase also rules out converting an empty bonded warehouse in the Cumberland Basin which was suggested last year. Mr Ferguson said: ^We looked carefully at A Bond but it was not right for this move. It would have been more expensive, would have provided less functional workspace and was in an inappropriate location. However, there remains a great opportunity for A Bond to be developed in partnership as a residential or mixed use development as part of a wider regeneration of Cumberland Basin.^

The refurb of City Hall will take about six to nine months and although all the staff will be moved out during the process, it will still be used for council meetings and events. Although it is a Grade II* listed building, City Hall is woefully inadequate as council offices in the 21st century. The makeover will see the removal of partitioning to create open space offices, new cabling to accommodate upgraded software, a new customer service point to replace Phoenix Court in New Bond Street and even a cafe and meeting rooms for clubs and groups.

^I really want to see City Hall used in the same way as in many European cities so it becomes a market place for people to meet,^ Mr Ferguson said. The overhaul of council offices will cost a whopping ^70 million in outlay - but council officers have conservatively estimated that savings on running costs will give a net ^profit^ during the next 25 years of ^40 million.

Mr Ferguson said Bristol was playing ^catch up^ with other councils such as Birmingham, Wiltshire and Swindon which had already started the process of rationalising its office space. He said: ^This is not about providing comfort or luxury for council staff - it^s about running services as efficiently as we possibly can in good working conditions.^

The council currently uses 53,000 sq metres of office space in the city which will be reduced to 32,000 sq metres although Mr Ferguson is asking for even more savings.

Council staff are expected to move into 100 Temple Street from the beginning of next year which will open the way for City Hall to be refurbished. It will also mean that some council buildings will be available for other possible uses - including new primary schools.

The office shake up which has been worked on by a team of officers for the past few years due to its complexity, is being paid for with prudential borrowing - low-cost loans from the Government which are only available to local authorities.

The purchase of 100 Temple Street has already been welcomed by business leaders and property experts in the city.

Ned Cussen, on behalf of the Bristol Property Agents Association, said: ^This is good news for all of Bristol and I commend the initiative from the council. It will enable the council to deliver more efficient services in a first class building. It is also a great location for both staff and visitors. 100 Temple Street is a quality building and the deal represents good value for money. Whichever way you look at it, this a major property deal for Bristol and gives a great lift to the local economy.

"More so, it uses vacant space and gives a great boost to the Enterprise Zone at Temple Meads. The zone will be one of the major focuses for economic activity in the Greater Bristol area in the next decade. This deal makes far more sense than trying to convert the red brick Tobacco Bond at Cumberland Basin to offices.^

Colin Skellett, chairman of Wessex Water and the Local Enterprise Partnership, said: ^This is great news for Bristol and makes eminent strategic sense in terms of its location alongside the Enterprise Zone with its great regional transport links. It is encouraging to see the mayor driving these efficiency measures through in the intests of more effective and economic governance.^

Phil Smith, MD of Business West, said: ^We applaud George for taking decisive action to implement more efficient and effective ways of accommodating council staff. Whilst this may seem obvious and a rleatively minor decision, it will actually provide some important benefits. More staff housed in fewer offices and less space will save the council money at a time when budgets are particularly tight - a saving of around ^40 million over 25 years is a significant amount that can now be used to help create jobs and improve the environment of the city.

^The idea of relocating council staff close to Temple Meads and the Enterprise Zone shows the mayor^s commitment to further regenerating this area and creating a focus for activity and enterprise, hopefully this will encourage others to do the same.^


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: swrural on March 10, 2013, 11:34:49 am
Good news for those of us on here wanting the nearby Plot 6 opposite, next to Brunel's station (or was it  plot 7?) to be the transport hub of Bristol.  I don't actually see what's wrong with its present name.  I attended a meeting there once, and yes, it was quite swish.

Actually the site was originally covered by part of Mardon, Sons and Hall which was the firm that made the fag packets for Wills / Imperial Tobacco (later absorbed by them).  I am afraid the Luftwaffe 'knocked it about a bit'. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 29, 2013, 02:43:42 pm
I am afraid the Luftwaffe 'knocked it about a bit'. 


The West of England Partnership has taken up where the Luftwaffe left off.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on April 26, 2013, 10:44:13 pm
Went through Temple Meads today.

On the way in I was reminded that an extra couple of metres on the South side of P15 would make a P16 possible in the future.

Then I looked at the space and tracks between P3/5 and thought wouldn't it be much more satisfactory to use that space - under the roof - for passengers and have the through roads on the south side.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 27, 2013, 12:51:44 am
Went through Temple Meads today.

On the way in I was reminded that an extra couple of metres on the South side of P15 would make a P16 possible in the future.

Then I looked at the space and tracks between P3/5 and thought wouldn't it be much more satisfactory to use that space - under the roof - for passengers and have the through roads on the south side.


A good idea, but I have a feeling it would entail nearly as much work as at Reading, and Bristol is too far down a very long list for investment like that.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 27, 2013, 01:36:46 am
Having up freight traffic cross the throat to access the Up Filton would seriously limit capacity as well.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 27, 2013, 09:09:04 am
...Bristol is too far down a very long list for investment like that.

After the excitement of St Pancras and Kings Cross, it's been disappointing to see how provincial stations are lucky to pick up a few crumbs of investment. The plans for Worcester Foregate St seem parsimonious, and even Reading lacks the grand entrance it probably deserves.

Nonetheless (and maybe I'm being naive) I have high hopes for the future of Temple Meads; its Grade I listed status should hopefully allow additional sources of funding to be tapped into. I accept that it is not going to get a Reading-style track expansion (is it a bottleneck?), but I think it is reasonable to expect that they do a decent job on the building.

A casual visitor may not appreciate that nearly half of the 1870s extension to Brunel's station was demolished when the signal box was built in the 1960s. I have seen rather sketchy plans suggesting that this roof will be rebuilt in some form when the old platforms are brought back into use; surely this needs to be a high-quality restoration to more or less exactly how it was before?

If you will indulge this flight of fancy a little further, it strikes me that it would be fantastic to have a glass wall between the Brunel part of the Old Station (the bit where they hold the Beer Festival) and the extension. This would allow passengers could see the old hammerbeam roof from the new platforms, and conference-goers could see out into the station.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on April 27, 2013, 09:31:18 am
Having up freight traffic cross the throat to access the Up Filton would seriously limit capacity as well.

I suppose the best (and expensive) solution to that would be a flyover from St Phillips Marsh to the Filton lines, but there would have to be a lot of freight to justify that. 

On another matter is the construction of the showcase cinema over the site of the old East to South Curve to St Phillips Marsh the most stupid example of the short sighted sale of railway land in our region?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: trainer on April 27, 2013, 09:32:46 am
If you will indulge this flight of fancy a little further, it strikes me that it would be fantastic to have a glass wall between the Brunel part of the Old Station (the bit where they hold the Beer Festival) and the extension. This would allow passengers could see the old hammerbeam roof from the new platforms, and conference-goers could see out into the station.

Good suggestion RS, although I'm not sure how practical glass and diesel exhaust is in close proximity (I know electric will be partially substituting in due course).  There are glass screens some distance from the ends of the platforms at Paddington which seem to fare well. Anything to show off that wonderful space to as many people as possible and of course to display the continuing transport use at Temple Meads is worth considering.

Some of those hiring out the space may not want the great unwashed looking in on their conferences or exhibitions which they are charging a hefty whack for, so a partial glass screen could show off the heritage assets while maintaining some privacy for the exhibition area.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 27, 2013, 01:40:02 pm
I accept that it is not going to get a Reading-style track expansion (is it a bottleneck?), but I think it is reasonable to expect that they do a decent job on the building.

I think the northbound exit should be Four Track, Now! The forthcoming revamp of Dr Days Junction, with the two extra tracks, will present more opportunities, not just at Temple Meads, but at all the stations prior to Filton Abbey Wood. At present, it is a bottleneck. I often walk over the road bridge above Dr Days, and see one or more trains waiting for a platform. That said, they're not usually there long.

There will obviously be changes, as the old Digby Wyatt shed is brought back into use for the London via Parkway IEPs. Whether it will be deemed useful to services to readjust the other platforms remains to be seen. I would like to think a bay platform 2 could be reopened for Portishead services at the same time.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on April 27, 2013, 01:44:52 pm
I would like to think a bay platform 2 could be reopened for Portishead services at the same time.

Isn't the idea to have through services to destinations north of Temple Meads? That would be much more useful than spending money reinstating a bay and forcing people to change. And more productive in terms of rolling stock use.

Edited to fix quotes - bobm


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 27, 2013, 02:07:31 pm
I would like to think a bay platform 2 could be reopened for Portishead services at the same time.

Isn't the idea to have through services to destinations north of Temple Meads? That would be much more useful than spending money reinstating a bay and forcing people to change. And more productive in terms of rolling stock use.

Edited to fix quotes - bobm

Yes, my understanding is that Portishead trains will go on to Severn Beach. The alternate Severn Beach trains will go on to Bath - requiring a reversal presumably - though I suppose that doesn't necessitate a bay.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 27, 2013, 02:08:17 pm
AIUI, the plan is for a Portishead to Severn Beach train hourly, and a Portishead - Temple Meads hourly. The latter could use a bay platform, which surely would cost little to reinstate, and leave room for anything else to get past. I would really like to see platform 2 leading on to a tram-train track in Temple Meads approach, thence around Cabot Circus and the centre before heading up the Friary to rejoin by platform 1.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 27, 2013, 02:52:53 pm
I have been told that a new bay platform is not (currently) included in the Bristol Area Resignalling project.  However, mid-platform signals are, so plenty of room for properly done platform sharing instead (get your photographs of the unique mid-platform X signs soon ;D).


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 27, 2013, 03:02:37 pm
Oh well; maybe the Severn Beach - Bath and the Portishead - Temple Meads trains will kiss at SandTEngineer's big X on Platform 3! It would seem sensible to make these services connect if possible.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 27, 2013, 08:38:03 pm
Is that the big X between platforms 3 and 4?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ReWind on April 28, 2013, 11:04:16 pm
Having up freight traffic cross the throat to access the Up Filton would seriously limit capacity as well.

It's surprising that there isn't some sort of freight "by pass" around the Temple Meads area with the ever increasing freight traffic that now passes through the station.

Portbury Docks are chucking out more freight than ever, including a car train I see most evenings on my way home that's too big to fit on the through line without fouling the points at the west end.   The container terminal at Parson Street is growing all the time too, with an understanding that Freightliner want to continue growing and increasing services out of there but can't due to both limited capacity within the terminal and limited paths through Temple Meads.  Fairwater Yard at Taunton continues to chuck our regular engineers trains up to Bristol and the Midlands, including the HOBC trains which again, are too big to fit into the loop.  There is also Nuclear trains from Bridgwater, fuel trains to SPM and Laira, China Clay trains to the South West, Scrap Metal to Exeter and numerous light engine movements around the station.

With the commencement of electrification of the GWML and the planned increase in passenger services from Temple Meads, freight growth will be extremely limited around the city due to the limited paths and congestion through Temple Meads without a proper freight only route through the area.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 28, 2013, 11:31:56 pm
There is in theory a bypass route, although whether it would solve problems of capacity or add to them I know not.

Freight from west of Temple Meads heading north, and vice versa, could go via Bristol West Junction, past St Phillips Marsh TMD, North Somerset Junction, the rhubarb curve, Dr Day's Junction and onto the Up Filton.

Whilst this avoids Temple Meads itself there would still be the problem of threading freight services across the various junctions between passenger services.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ReWind on April 29, 2013, 09:05:18 am
There is in theory a bypass route, although whether it would solve problems of capacity or add to them I know not.

Freight from west of Temple Meads heading north, and vice versa, could go via Bristol West Junction, past St Phillips Marsh TMD, North Somerset Junction, the rhubarb curve, Dr Day's Junction and onto the Up Filton.

Whilst this avoids Temple Meads itself there would still be the problem of threading freight services across the various junctions between passenger services.

I think that's a bit impractical though.  That's asking freight to cross over all lines at Bristol West Junction, head down a single track through a busy, working maintenance depot, cross over all lines at North Somerset Junction and again at Dr Days Junction, all the time never really exceeding 15mph.

Whilst the Bristol area may just be able to cope with the current level of freight traffic mixed in with the proposed level of service after electrification, if freight is indeed to grow in the coming years around the Bristol area, to which I can see a strong case that it could, a solution to take away freight from the Temple Meads area might be needed.

After all, how many cities and stations the size of Bristol Temple Meads have regular heavy freight pass through?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ReWind on April 29, 2013, 09:06:35 am
There is in theory a bypass route, although whether it would solve problems of capacity or add to them I know not.

Freight from west of Temple Meads heading north, and vice versa, could go via Bristol West Junction, past St Phillips Marsh TMD, North Somerset Junction, the rhubarb curve, Dr Day's Junction and onto the Up Filton.

Whilst this avoids Temple Meads itself there would still be the problem of threading freight services across the various junctions between passenger services.

I think that's a bit impractical though.  That's asking freight to cross over all lines at Bristol West Junction, head down a single track through a busy, working maintenance depot, cross over all lines at North Somerset Junction and again at Dr Days Junction, all the time never really exceeding 15mph.

Whilst the Bristol area may just be able to cope with the current level of freight traffic mixed in with the proposed level of service after electrification, if freight is indeed to grow in the coming years around the Bristol area, to which I can see a strong case that it could, a solution to take away freight from the Temple Meads area might be needed.

After all, how many cities and stations the size of Bristol Temple Meads have regular heavy freight pass through?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 30, 2013, 06:06:16 pm
It is a problem that will grow and grow. The IEP depot at Filton / Stoke Gifford will add to the traffic, and the deep sea container port at Avonmout may yet become a reality.

I understand that Parson Street Junction is due for remodelling with the resignalling project. Currently, it is a single lead, but it will be made double. The Freightliner depot currently connects only with the up relief. I believe that will be altered, for greater flexibility, and to take account of Portishead. North of Temple Meads, the only possible answer is Four Track, Now!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: swrural on May 01, 2013, 09:47:59 am
Of course one can easily double the (SPM) Avoiding line.  One can also reconnect the east facing junction at Marsh Pond.  I took a photo of the multiplex cinema area from the ghastly spine road (very brave) and huge grid pylons cross the are between the cinema and the appalling OOT (out of town) shops area (Krispy Kreme etc, you could be in Fort Worth).

I am now going to try to upload it here.

No, it didn't work.  Can BobM or someone, pm me with how to stick a photo in the message please?

Most grateful.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bobm on May 01, 2013, 10:03:06 am
PM duly sent - but for those wanting the same information here is a topic from "Help & Assistance" which may ...er help and assist   ;D

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=3398.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=3398.0)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: swrural on May 01, 2013, 11:34:50 am
Here goes then (the route where IIRC the Dean Single 'Duke of Connaught' took over from 'City of Truro' and broke the record Bristol to London (I think 99 minutes or thereabouts in 1904) and also a darn useful avoiding line for the Castle Cary route and the Midland route (when there was a Midland route).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8409/8697486771_cd18e70dfb_c.jpg)

The dreadful Spine road is fortunately high above the Marsh line and I am sure reconnection could be achieved.  It will one day.

You get history on GWCS too!

[edit] - modified to fix image formatting - Graham


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 03, 2013, 09:42:11 pm
I often walk over that Spine Road bridge on my way from home to savage travail at work. It is interesting at times, but a little unsettling when busy. I share swrural's distaste for Avonmeads, with the exception of Marks & Sparks, and the cinema. The rest can go to blazes. I'm looking forward to seeing swrural's picture!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 29, 2013, 08:51:48 pm
Bristol City Council have applied (to themselves, of course) for planning permission to demolish the 19th-century bits of the (derelict) GWR Staff Association building at Temple Meads (go to http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/ and search for 13/02251/LD). The demolition of rest of it is covered by 12/04188/FB and 12/04189/LA.

No bad thing, I'd say: been an eyesore for years.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 29, 2013, 09:44:43 pm
They're not the only ones starting work around there. News comes to me in a press release from University of Bristol (http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2013/9414.html), of plans to create an Enterprise Hub in the Brunel Engine Shed.

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Transformation of Engine Shed into enterprise hub gets underway

Press release issued 28 May 2013

Work to transform Brunel^s terminal for the Great Western Railway into a 21st century launch pad for a new generation of businesses is underway.

Rydon Construction has been appointed in a deal between Bristol City Council and the University of Bristol to refurbish Brunel^s Grade 1 Listed Engine Shed into a business and innovation centre for fast-growing technology firms.

(http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/shedload_zpsc5bb7f57.jpeg)

The building will be transformed from its previous use, as the former home of the Empire and Commonwealth Museum, into a permanent base for 20 companies and will provide the resources and facilities for a further 40, including a business lounge at the centre of the building.

It will be managed by Bristol SETsquared Centre ^ the University^s double award-winning business incubator - who will take the majority of the space to provide premium serviced offices for its early-stage technology businesses.

Nick Sturge, Director of the Bristol SETsquared Centre which is currently based at University Gate East in Clifton, said: ^This is such an exciting project, both for the University^s SETsquared Centre but also for the Bristol and Bath city region, and we are delighted that work is now underway to deliver the iconic space that we have planned for.^

The project is funded principally by Bristol City Council and the University of Bristol, together with central government funding via City Deal. A total of ^1.5 million is being invested to breathe new life into the Engine Shed.

Paul Barber, South West Regional Director of Rydon Construction, said: "We welcome the challenge to work on this unique building and play our role, as a locally based contractor, in presenting Bristol as a focal point for UK business and innovation.

^Drawing on our experience on complex projects in this region, Rydon will work closely with SETsquared, the University of Bristol and the Council to ensure we manage the build considerately and respectfully so this Grade 1 Listed structure is preserved as it begins its new life.^

The building will also house the new West of England^s shared inward investment service Invest in Bristol and Bath.

Work to the Brunel building forms part of the Temple Quarter Enterprise Zone, a 70-hectare regeneration programme centred around Temple Meads railway station, to create a new, superbly connected entry to Bristol and a hub for creative, high technology, specialist engineering and low carbon companies in the centre of Bristol. Over the next 25 years, the Enterprise Zone aims to attract more than 400 firms and create over 17,000 new jobs.

This looks like the first scheme to take advantage of Enterprise Zone incentives and city deal money. I like the idea of the building being restored and used, and I'm sure the job will be done sympathetically. A modern hi-tech idea like this, though, needs a BRT stop nearby. They've missed a trick there.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TheLastMinute on July 05, 2013, 07:35:34 pm
From the Bristol Post website...

Quote from: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/new-100m-vision-Bristol-s-Temple-Meads/story-19482490-detail/story.html
A new ^100m vision for Bristol's Temple Meads

A VISION of how Brunel^s historic Temple Meads Station could look in the future has been unveiled.

Network Rail, the landlords of the historic building, are planning a radical ^100 million revamp of the Victorian structure as part of work to regenerate the area around the station.

(http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/19482490/5024363.jpg)​
The new plan for Temple Meads

The improvements will be the biggest overhaul seen at the station for more than 140 years ^ and could even include the removal of the existing ramp leading up to the station.

The plans are still in a very early stage and discussions are due to take place with key organisations such as English Heritage but the outlines of the scheme are starting to emerge.

 
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The aim is to complete all the work by the end of 2019, two years after the electrification of the London to Bristol rail line has been completed.

Details emerged at a conference held in Brunel^s Passenger Shed yesterdayTHU.

Delegates were shown proposals which would include the creation of a new entrance at the side of the station building, a subway and a new glass front.

The early drawings also show plans for a new pedestrian square at the front of the station, which would replace the existing concourse.

Around 300 delegates at the conference looking at the progress being made in the Enterprise Zone were given a sneak preview of the station plans.

There were also updates on the work being done to bring a 12,000 seater stadium to Bristol. The audience was told negotiations with an operator were well under way. Work on improving on access to the land earmarked for the arena is due to start within a matter of months.

Mike Gallop, from Network Rail, is part of the team drawing up plans to transform Temple Meads.

He said: ^Temple Meads set the template for modern commercial stations across the world. It was built as a driver for trade and commerce and that blueprint is what we are trying to recreate today.

^We want to link Bristol to London and the rest of the country and, at the same time, we will be recreating the engine of trade and commerce.

^There is a case for Bristol Temple Meads to be redeveloped to meet future passenger demand and to unlock the potential of the land asset around it, so that it supports the aspirations of Bristol Enterprise Zone and city council.

^However, the task to do so will be enormous. There are the considerations of building on a live railway, meeting the government^s efficiencies target and overcoming constraints posed by a heritage structure.^

Paul Wilson, below, the chief executive of the Local Enterprise Partnership, is overseeing the Enterprise Zone and the work being done in the area.

He revealed that negotiations are ^very much^ in progress to bring in an operator to run the long-awaited indoor arena, in the hope that the 12,000-seater venue opens within four years^ time.

The plans will also include a new passenger interchange at the side of the station, which would connect Temple Meads to the rest of the city^s public transport network.

A spokesman for the enterprise zone said: ^The station approach ramp is extremely congested, with conflicting vehicle movements, which Network Rail and Bristol City Council are hoping to improve.

^A successful passenger transport interchange will provide a seamless end-to-end journey between all modes of transport, including cycling and walking.^

George Ferguson has already pledged that an arena will be built before his term as Bristol^s first elected mayor comes to an end.

A feasibility study has been carried out for an arena on the former diesel depot site near the station.

The study found that there is support and demand for an arena, along with interest from leading operators in the entertainment sector.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 28, 2013, 12:35:12 am
At Temple Meads today during a cloudburst; I suddenly realised how badly neglected the roof is - more leaks than Julian Assange! Rain was pouring though in several places; I'm guessing that this was mostly down to blocked gutters. Sheets of water were streaming down the main wall into the western end of the subway, making the floor slippery and dangerous. Then I looked up at the main train shed roof, which I well remember after its restoration in (was it?) the 80's; I hadn't realised how filthy it has become.

Can we hope that when the wires come in and the mail conveyor is removed, they put aside a few quid to keep the roof clean and the gutters swept?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 28, 2013, 02:12:08 am

Can we hope that when the wires come in and the mail conveyor is removed, they put aside a few quid to keep the roof clean and the gutters swept?

I would guess that the original design did not consider ease of maintenance using methods we would find economical and acceptable today. I hope someone does think about this particular ha'porth of tar.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on July 28, 2013, 10:06:36 pm
Not only the main train shed, but on some of the other platform canopies the glazed sections are so filthy that they no longer let in any light, and look as though moss has grown on them.  I appreciate it's probably not a simple job to clean them off, but when you think how proud NR and FGW are at the Span 4 restoration, maybe they should pay a bit more care to other aspects of their station infrastructure.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Pete Goodwin on February 28, 2014, 11:35:49 pm
^21m Temple Quarter transport investment - so where's the interchange?   My 'Stockwood Pete' blog at http://stockwoodpete.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/whatever-isnt-happening-at-temple-meads.html (http://stockwoodpete.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/whatever-isnt-happening-at-temple-meads.html)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: wabbit on March 01, 2014, 11:18:51 pm
Haven't seen the plans yet, or anything nearing a "General Arrangement" concept drawing, but you'd sincerely hope that some kind of joined up transport plan would have some influence on the Temple Meads/quarter/arena redevelopment......


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Pete Goodwin on March 03, 2014, 08:58:42 pm
Apparently Plot 6, the obvious place for a bus/rail interchange that could share the station's new passenger facilities, is not in Network Rail's plans.   They have spoken, though, of an 'interchange' more like that in Old Market.   A couple of new bus stops, in fact!

I think the LEP, who are leading the 'partnership' of different public agencies, including Network Rail, that's building a 'strategic vision' for the whole Temple Quarter Enterprise Zone, don't have a proper transport hub on their agenda either.   The nearest we can get to their thinking is a 'fly-through' concept video complete with lots of artists impressions of waterside piazzas and coffee shops.   It's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3hAC3NyIvk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3hAC3NyIvk) .  Quite entertaining as an example of its craft, but probably created more as a marketing tool than to inform.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 03, 2014, 09:03:52 pm
Thank you for your very thought-provoking comments here, Pete Goodwin - and may I offer you a very warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum!  :D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 03, 2014, 10:57:20 pm
I echo Chris from Nailsea's welcome, Pete. I also followed the links from your Stockwood Pete blog for the Cabinet meeting, as I live close to the putative Callington Road link, formerly the railway. I am pleased that plans to use it for a two-lane road or a Bust Rabid Transit route have now been binned. A cyclepath, so long as it is done on the understanding that it can be brought back into public transport use in the future, is not a bad idea, and will protect the value of my home from having a main road three streets down the hill. My admittedly not entirely altruistic take on this project won't be shared by everyone. Some had campaigned long for a road, as our trusty source of truth the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/year-delay-vital-Bristol-link-road/story-11263100-detail/story.html?afterReg=Y) from some four years back shows.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Aasimuk on June 03, 2014, 03:37:16 pm
Looks like things are moving along fast at Temple Meads now. Spoke to a few guys from a demolition company doing the final visit before moving in to demolish the old post office bridge.
Anyone have ant news on the roof replacment?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on June 04, 2014, 09:53:50 pm
That will be a good start. Hopefully the adjacent eyesore won't be far behind, though that won't be NR's problem.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 07, 2014, 02:03:43 pm
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^6 million windfall signals the end for Bristol's eyesore GPO building

BRISTOL'S worst eyesore is finally set to be knocked down, thanks to a ^6 million windfall from the Government to buy the site from an investment firm. The former Royal Mail sorting office has blighted the view of passengers arriving in Bristol at Temple Meads station since it closed down in 1997.

The Bristol Post understands a deal to buy it is "very close", thanks to funding announced yesterday by Communities Minister Stephen Williams.

Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/EXCLUSIVE-pound-6m-windfall-signals-end-Bristol-s/story-21156873-detail/story.html#T1h7szjOuyIB3oyo.99


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Minister unlocks Bristol^s Arena site to major development

Work to unlock a development site which has been earmarked for Bristol^s ambitious Arena project is about to start in earnest.

Communities Minister and Bristol West MP Stephen Williams joined partners at the Diesel Depot site beside Temple Meads station today to mark the start of infrastructure work which will unlock the site for major development.

The ^11.5m project commissioned by the Homes and Communities Agency (HCA) will see a new two lane bridge installed over the River Avon to improve links with the station and the rest of the city. Work is also underway to enhance the bridge by creating a green corridor using trees and other climbing plants across its structure and along pedestrian routes.

More details: http://www.bristoltemplequarter.com/news/news/2014/05/29/minister-unlocks-bristol%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98arena-site%E2%80%99-to-major-development/


Can't find anything about the mail conveyor on the Bristol City Council Planning Application Database - I would presume that the usual 'courtesy' application would be required before it could be demolished, though I do note that it is not specifically mentioned in the station's Grade I listing..!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Aasimuk on June 11, 2014, 09:00:32 pm
The mail conveyor is definitely about to meet is demise!  Arriving on an inbound into platform three today, the shutters were wide open. All the lifts are still intact, and could see through to another subway, so is that three that run across the platforms?  infact, think there is four, as went in a derelict one on the Bristol Doors Open Day a year or two ago.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 12, 2014, 12:43:47 pm
The planning application for the removal of the mail conveyor at Temple Meads is now on the BCC website - go to http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/ and use search ref 14/03806/LA for full details. The status of this application at the time of posting was 'Pending Consideration'.

I recommend reading 'SUPPORTING STATEMENT - JULY 2014' - this contains the Design and Access statement and other background info.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: paul7755 on August 12, 2014, 01:44:00 pm
Hmm...   I reckon that should take about ten seconds to decide.

From today's perspective, how did they ever get permission to add that to a listed building anyway?

Paul


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on August 14, 2014, 09:06:21 pm
Hmm...   I reckon that should take about ten seconds to decide.

Paul

Not in Bristol...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 03, 2014, 04:38:49 pm
The proposal to demolish the Temple Meads mail conveyor was granted Listed Building Consent on 23rd September 2014. Bring on Miley Cyrus, clad in suitable PPE of course.

Edit: English Heritage made this comment:

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The canopies along the platforms appear to have been cut back to accommodate the Conveyor bridge. Given the overall benefits of the current proposals, we do not object the cladding of the severed ends of the canopies with traditional dagger-boards; however, in the longer term consideration might be given to reinstating the missing elements of the canopies.

Hear hear! Given the importance of these buildings, is it unreasonable to hope that the pitched roof to the clock tower might one day be reinstated too?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on October 03, 2014, 05:23:28 pm
Excellent news!

Should make London end photography more aesthetically pleasing. Hoping there's a gap between conveyor removal and knitting going up.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on October 03, 2014, 05:54:57 pm
Excellent news!

Should make London end photography more aesthetically pleasing. Hoping there's a gap between conveyor removal and knitting going up.

There should be, but it might not be a long gap.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 04, 2014, 11:03:15 pm
Spotted something interesting (well, I think it is!) in this document 'Growing Bristol^s Railway' (undated, unfortunately), by Chris Aldridge, Principal Strategic Planner at Network Rail Western: http://www.travelwest.info/sites/default/files/Network%20Rail%20process.pdf

I had assumed that the plan to reopen the 'Midland' shed for terminating London services involved just the part currently used as a car park (the 1870s Digby-Wyatt extension to Brunel's terminus); however p8 of this report appears to show that accommodating 10-car IEPs will require the use of Brunel's 'Passenger Shed' - that's the bit where they hold the Beer Festival - as well. Also interesting to see how the subway could connect the two parts of the station.

The artist's impression on p11 shows the Midland Shed extended to replace what was demolished for the PSB, though it appears to be a modern lightweight construction. Hopefully they won't get away with that! Old photos show that the two Digby-Wyatt roofs complemented each other; that's how they should restore it.

I'd dearly love to see more detail of these emerging plans..!



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: stuving on October 04, 2014, 11:19:38 pm
Spotted something interesting (well, I think it is!) in this document 'Growing Bristol^s Railway' (undated, unfortunately), by Chris Aldridge, Principal Strategic Planner at Network Rail Western: http://www.travelwest.info/sites/default/files/Network%20Rail%20process.pdf

Internally, the PDF is dated 23/10/2013 - though the presentation could be a bit earlier.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on October 16, 2014, 08:08:31 pm
Speaking to one of the platform staff last weekend, he said the Mail Conveyor is due to be removed in a possession on 25th/26th December. Hooray!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on October 16, 2014, 09:36:53 pm
There's evidence of work starting to bring down the the Royal Mail building. I saw heavy plant on the site yesterday.

Sensible, if somewhat expensive, to remove the conveyor on the only two days a year when there are no passenger services. I hope there will be no overrun. The 27th December is one of the busiest travelling days. I imagine that as much as possible of the conveyor structure will removed before Christmas Day.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on October 17, 2014, 01:18:36 am
There should be plenty of room on Santa's sleigh  for the conveyor belt after delivering all those presents the night before. However, whether Santa or his yellow coated, white helmeted, booted elves that moonlight for Network Rail will be in a fit enough state to do the work, after all the festive cheer, ( hic !) is another matter entirely !!! ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 23, 2014, 11:35:12 am
I saw heavy plant on the site yesterday.

I thought I saw a triffid there last night.

But seriously, there was a lot of crashing and banging going on in the old Royal Mail building, and a JCB bashing something up in the area between the station wall and the sorting office. Presumably this is preparatory to the removal of the mail conveyor.

This poster gives a nice 'before and after' (sorry for the jaunty angle but it was that or have a big flash reflection in the middle of it!).

(Attachment now fixed)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: paul7755 on October 23, 2014, 11:39:35 am
This poster gives a nice 'before and after' (sorry for the jaunty angle but it was that or have a big flash reflection in the middle of it!).

Er...  you seem to have shrunk that attachment a step too far

Paul


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on October 23, 2014, 01:38:34 pm
It's certainly going to make photos taken at the London end more pleasing to the eye. There's a short window between the mail conveyor coming down and the knitting going up to allow for some pleasing images of lined up HSTs.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on October 23, 2014, 01:50:35 pm
I must remember the camera whenever I go to Temple Meads. A record of the changes as they happen is a must.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on November 03, 2014, 07:14:49 pm
The first sheet cladding has started to be removed from the mail conveyor, so work is most definitely underway.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 07, 2014, 06:26:27 pm
...and here's a photo to prove it, with cladding removed from the Platform 1/3 lift tower. Out of shot, scaffolding has appeared on the roof of the conveyor - no photo of this; I had a train to catch!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on November 08, 2014, 01:43:02 am
I'll have a nose around that end of the station next week, see what's what. With camera to hand of course.

As an aside, you'd never know that floor was wet without that trip hazard cone there would you?  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 16, 2014, 02:03:59 pm

As an aside, you'd never know that floor was wet without that trip hazard cone there would you?  ::)

I have tripped on one at work. Our cleaner leaves it out after she has finished rearranging the dirt, which means the floor is dry before anyone else gets to walk on it.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 22, 2014, 11:41:18 pm
Had a look at the demolition progress today. Boxes built over the parts being removed over the track to catch debris. This seem to be moveable over the girder frame as work moves along. At this rate all that will be left to move is the girder fame in a week or two. You can smell the oxyacetalene torches during the weekdays as more is cut out. It's going to look much better once it's gone, it's not a listed building for nothing. Posters on TM show the brick footings are due to go too.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 22, 2014, 11:54:35 pm
Thanks for your update on the situation at Bristol Temple Meads, johnneyw - and a warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum!  :)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ajg on November 24, 2014, 01:49:47 pm
The current plan is to remove the first two spans at Christmas. Span 1 being between platform 1-6 and span 2 between 7-9, although there is a possibility that the span 1 could be removed prior.

The remaining spans will be removed post Christmas.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on November 24, 2014, 02:17:50 pm
18th November 2014:

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//bri_conveyor1_zps6a678e10.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//bri_conveyor2_zps3def4cc2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//bri_conveyor3_zps875c7800.jpg)

Not noticed much difference over the weekend having been through Bristol TM on a couple of occasions. I'll probably grab some more pics later this week.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 24, 2014, 05:25:53 pm
Thanks for providing us with some more useful information, ajg - and another warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum.  :)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 25, 2014, 10:51:30 pm
Things are certainly moving with the demolition of the conveyor bridge. However, it's really proving a challenge to find out any concrete online information about what will be happening with the future redevelopment of Temple Meads and when. It's a station full of future possibilities and the speculative plans I have seen so far look impressive.... but where do I find out where things have got to now?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 26, 2014, 12:26:44 pm
Welcome to the forum, johnneyw.

I share your frustration - I regularly trawl the web for any hints as to how the plans for Temple Meads are evolving.

One area where things are coming along nicely is the Mail Conveyor - I took some pics today, which are attached below.

The first shows the span between P1/3 and P5/7, with all cladding now removed;
The second shows the temporary scaffolding gantry, currently at P5/7. This appears to have nylon wheels which run along the top rail of the conveyor structure;
The third shows the P9/11 structure, with stripping gantry looming;
The fourth shows the current rather crude plywood fascia on the end of the original canopy, cut short when the conveyor was built. The plan is to replace this with daggerboards to match those on the sides of the canopy.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ReWind on November 26, 2014, 04:30:55 pm
There is overnight possessions on lines affected by the removal of the conveyor at any one time.  This is having an adverse impact on the departure and arrival of stock from SPM forming the first various services from BTM in the morning.

Possession overran last night for example, we were nearly an hour late finishing at the station due to this.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on November 26, 2014, 08:33:47 pm
Crikey Mr Squirrel, those photos are almost identical to the ones I took this morning.  ;D

Saved me a job hosting/uploading mine. Ta.  :-*


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TheLastMinute on November 27, 2014, 06:00:38 pm
Sorry it's a bit short notice, but the demolition will be featured on TV shortly if you're in the Bristol area (or know how to manually turn a Sky or Freesat box)....

Quote from: https://twitter.com/networkrailBRI
Bristol Temple Meads ‏@networkrailBRI  34 minutes ago
Tune into @madeinbristoltv at 1800 and 2100 tonight to find out about the Conveyor Bridge Demolition. Freeview 8, Virgin 159, Sky 117


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 27, 2014, 06:12:57 pm
Thanks for the heads up - I have set my BT box to record the 2100 report. I have a DVD recorder, and if it's a good piece, I might be able to do a rather tortuous link up, followed by a rip to Youtube or similar, and post here.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 27, 2014, 06:23:14 pm
I was at Temple Meads this evening I caught the 17:13 to Avonmouth just as we were pulling out a steam engine came in on the middle road I did not see what it was it might have been a battle of Britain class southen loco
Can anyone shed some light on this for me ?.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: stuving on November 27, 2014, 06:28:45 pm
I was at Temple Meads this evening I caught the 17:13 to Avonmouth just as we were pulling out a steam engine came in on the middle road I did not see what it was it might have been a battle of Britain class southen loco
Can anyone shed some light on this for me ?.
Railway Touring Club
  THE BATH AND BRISTOL CHRISTMAS MARKET 
Thursday 27 November 2014
LMS Class 5MT 4-6-0 no 45407
SR Light Pacific 4-6-2 no 34067 Tangmere

Timings here (http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t14/t1127b.htm).


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 27, 2014, 06:34:34 pm
I was at Temple Meads this evening I caught the 17:13 to Avonmouth just as we were pulling out a steam engine came in on the middle road I did not see what it was it might have been a battle of Britain class southen loco
Can anyone shed some light on this for me ?.
Railway Touring Club
  THE BATH AND BRISTOL CHRISTMAS MARKET 
Thursday 27 November 2014
LMS Class 5MT 4-6-0 no 45407
SR Light Pacific 4-6-2 no 34067 Tangmere

Timings here (http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t14/t1127b.htm).

Good grief  that was quick Thanks for your reply stuving cheers.




Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.  :)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 27, 2014, 07:01:16 pm
Saw it parked up behind St Phil's HST depot last night.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 27, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
I saw the Black 5 trundling over the girder bridge by the Dogs' Home.  Surprising how this kind of thing barely causes a raised eyebrow these days; twenty years ago it would have been on the front page of the Evening Post.

Why on earth did they paint it such a vile colour, by the way? The bridge that is, not the Black 5; black is a perfectly respectable colour for an engine, especially a Black 5, though I do feel it should have yellow (or, better, hi-viz orange) ends.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 27, 2014, 09:24:08 pm
I saw the Black 5 trundling over the girder bridge by the Dogs' Home.  Surprising how this kind of thing barely causes a raised eyebrow these days; twenty years ago it would have been on the front page of the Evening Post.

Why on earth did they paint it such a vile colour, by the way? The bridge that is, not the Black 5; black is a perfectly respectable colour for an engine, especially a Black 5, though I do feel it should have yellow (or, better, hi-viz orange) ends.

Last time I passed, it was still under wraps. I shall revisit (it's a 10 minute bike ride).


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TheLastMinute on November 27, 2014, 10:27:26 pm
Thanks for the heads up - I have set my BT box to record the 2100 report. I have a DVD recorder, and if it's a good piece, I might be able to do a rather tortuous link up, followed by a rip to Youtube or similar, and post here.

Was the report about the conveyor bridge in "The 9"? I set my Sky box to record "The 6" programme, and for some technical reason, the second part of the program went AWOL and wasn't shown so no idea if it featured.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TheLastMinute on November 27, 2014, 10:55:05 pm
Was the report about the conveyor bridge in "The 9"? I set my Sky box to record "The 6" programme, and for some technical reason, the second part of the program went AWOL and wasn't shown so no idea if it featured.

To answer my own question, I've heard that the report has been pushed to tomorrow's (Friday's) program as it's been a busy news day in Bristol.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 27, 2014, 11:24:03 pm
Lot of hitherto suppressed stuff of a bad type that takes precedence. I knew that two of the convicted animals were under investigation, but didn't know why.

Long prison terms and a bad time behind bars should be the answer, plus repatriation to wherever.

Moving on, I hope that Temple Meads is sorted to Brunelian standards.

There were 3 satellite wanow.gons parked in the Centre today, and I know why


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 28, 2014, 12:07:46 am
Thank you all for your kind welcomes to the forum. I was quite surprised to see yesterday that the demolition crew had actually got a mini JCB up on the conveyor bridge platform to work on the removal of the superstructure. Shows it was a sturdy enough build and maybe goes some way to explain how I see such steady progress every few days that I'm at Temple Meads when I get off what I fondly refer to as "The Severn Riviera Express" from Redland. Have to mention here that it's also a great little bonus at Redland now to be able to buy a coffee at the Coffee Trike that's now at Redland Station weekday mornings..... and no, I don't have any shares in it! Will any enterprising individuals start similar at any other stops on the Severn beach line soon?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 28, 2014, 12:15:21 am
In a currently disused building on the station at Avonmouth (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14912.0), for example ... ?  :P ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on November 28, 2014, 01:54:56 am
I saw the Black 5 trundling over the girder bridge by the Dogs' Home. 

Give's me the willies that bridge. Walking over the attached footpath, with it's loose concrete slabs, when a HST trundles over... proper scared me that did. I had a panic attack right in the middle. A complete stranger had to help me across.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 28, 2014, 09:13:28 am
...loose concrete slabs...

They may have improved the footbridge in the recent refurbishment - maybe FT, N! can confirm when he performs his cycle-reconnaissance?

The news item about the Mail Conveyor did appear on 'The 9', though it wasn't the most trenchant or best-edited piece of journalism I've ever heard. Andy Haynes, the Project Director, appeared to be answering questions about some wider sphere of endeavour (resignalling? electrification?) and the whole thing was all rather bizarrely wrapped up with the killer question "Who was it who thought it was best for it to come down?" - a question which might have been more interesting if it had beeen reversed.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 28, 2014, 09:33:47 am
BNM Iwas wondering the footpath over the bridge is I a public right of way ?.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 28, 2014, 09:45:27 am
I can confirm that it is a right of way. It was closed during the refurbishment, but has just reopened.

This view (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4450476,-2.5775081,19z) shows the route, and how it connects the Bath Road with  Concorde Way, as they now call that stretch of the River Avon towpath.

Edited to add Google Maps link


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 28, 2014, 09:53:23 am
I can confirm that it is a right of way. It was closed during the refurbishment, but has just reopened.

This view (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4450476,-2.5775081,19z) shows the route, and how it connects the Bath Road with  Concorde Way, as they now call that stretch of the River Avon towpath.

Edited to add Google Maps link

Thankyou  Red Squirrel  that's most helpfull .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on November 28, 2014, 01:03:44 pm
An image of the bridge footpath prior to refurbishment:

http://bristol-rail.co.uk/wiki/File:Albert_Road9.jpg


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 29, 2014, 09:20:37 pm
In a currently disused building on the station at Avonmouth (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14912.0), for example ... ?  :P ::)

Yes, that could be an idea. Other surviving Severn Beach Line station buildings at Redland and Montpelier have been put to alternative uses.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on December 02, 2014, 11:31:17 pm
Just a quick update on the now vanishing conveyor bridge..... well, it's even missing some of it's walkway for part of it's length and loads of the lower frames are no more. As for the refurb of the Avon Bridge on the "loop", well done I say, looks good!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 06, 2014, 07:56:21 pm
More pictures of the mail conveyor, taken today, attached. The first picture shows that the (presumably) staircase superstructure on P1/3 has gone, and the second shows that much of the cladding from the rest of the conveyor has been stripped


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on December 06, 2014, 09:25:23 pm
Again, beaten to the photo update by the bushy tailed one!

I took a couple of pics yesterday of the latest state of the conveyor dismantling but unfortunately had no internet last evening to upload.

Thanks for the pictures Red Squirrel.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 06, 2014, 11:15:16 pm
Yes, thanks for updating us all, Red Squirrel.  :D

I assume the inclusion of possibly one of the litter was intended to provide a scale in those images?  ;)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on December 07, 2014, 12:14:21 am
Well, it's vanishing quickly now. Seen people still working on it after 8pm last Wednesday sort of explains why. They even seemed to be working after a quick homeward aperitif in Bonapartes before the 20.34 "Severn Riviera Express" to Redland. Not being an expert here but how long to they work till?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 07, 2014, 08:10:22 am
I assume the inclusion of possibly one of the litter was intended to provide a scale in those images?  ;)

Foreground interest! I think the 'wet floor' cones were on a rest day. Good to see one of the litter showing an interest though.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on December 07, 2014, 08:26:13 am
Well, it's vanishing quickly now. Seen people still working on it after 8pm last Wednesday sort of explains why. They even seemed to be working after a quick homeward aperitif in Bonapartes before the 20.34 "Severn Riviera Express" to Redland. Not being an expert here but how long to they work till?


I they are working that late I assume they are working shifts. In which case they could be working 24 hrs a day.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on December 09, 2014, 01:43:27 am
Well, it's vanishing quickly now. Seen people still working on it after 8pm last Wednesday sort of explains why. They even seemed to be working after a quick homeward aperitif in Bonapartes before the 20.34 "Severn Riviera Express" to Redland. Not being an expert here but how long to they work till?


That is shocking to hear that rail operatives are working after imbibing alcohol at Bonapartes. I would never do that, never in a million years.

I would go to the Knights Templar, where beer is much cheaper. They are paying these guys too much. No wonder it costs so much to get the train to Severn Beach.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on December 10, 2014, 10:57:19 pm
Well, it's vanishing quickly now. Seen people still working on it after 8pm last Wednesday sort of explains why. They even seemed to be working after a quick homeward aperitif in Bonapartes before the 20.34 "Severn Riviera Express" to Redland. Not being an expert here but how long to they work till?


That is shocking to hear that rail operatives are working after imbibing alcohol at Bonapartes. I would never do that, never in a million years.

I would go to the Knights Templar, where beer is much cheaper. They are paying these guys too much. No wonder it costs so much to get the train to Severn Beach.
Oops, it was yours truley imbibing a prompt refreshment in Bonapartes rather than the contractors, who were still hard at it removing the cladding over the platforms at the time.... bet they were thirsty as me though!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 22, 2014, 06:32:21 pm
I noticed a lot of these today, showing the way from Cattle Market Road to the mail conveyor worksite. Are they for curious members of the public, or are we expecting the Orange Army to march in?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 24, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
From ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/west/update/2014-12-20/work-begins-over-christmas-to-create-new-route-to-the-west/):

Quote
Work begins over Christmas to create new route to the West
(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/552552/stream_img.jpg)
Disused royal mail conveyor will be removed from Bristol Temple Meads station on Christmas day Credit: ITV West Country

Work will begin at Bristol Temple Meads station tonight to remove the disused mail conveyor.

It will begin the process of the electrification of the main line to the South West - which is expected to be finished by 2017. The work to remove the old Royal Mail conveyor will be finished while the station is closed on Christmas day.
Last updated Sat 20 Dec 2014


Follow this link (http://www.itv.com/news/west/update/2014-12-20/work-begins-over-christmas-to-create-new-route-to-the-west/) to see video of news report.

Plus, from Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Conveyor-removed-work-wires/story-25753748-detail/story.html):

Quote
Conveyor removed for work on wires
(http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25753748/9234813-large.jpg)

THE Royal Mail conveyor is being dismantled at Temple Meads station.

The conveyor was used to pass mail between the station and the Royal Mail's former sorting office next door, now derelict.

The conveyor needs to be removed to make way for the overhead electric wires on the Great Western main line.

A Network Rail spokeswoman said: "This removal is essential to make room for the overhead electric wires, paving the way for the arrival of longer, faster, quieter and greener electric trains by 2017."

An army of some 2,500 engineers will be spending their Christmas Day, and the days that follow, working on the Western route ^ which connects London with the Thames Valley, the west and south west of England ^ to deliver improvements, including increased capacity and reduced journey times.

Patrick Hallgate, Network Rail's managing director for the Western route, said: "Making the railway better is what we aim to do every day and our nationwide investment programme this Christmas, the biggest yet, is fully focussed on delivering a better service for passengers."

Most of the work will have little impact on passengers, with much of it to be completed before services resume on Saturday.






Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on December 27, 2014, 02:33:31 pm
I braved the bitter elephants to take a look. That huge crane stands easy, job done.

(http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/IMG_5228_zps8627e2cd.jpg)

Plenty of cutting up to do before weighing the steel in:

(http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/IMG_5230_zpsc6ffac18.jpg)

But there it isn't - gone!

(http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/IMG_5231_zpsf2017ede.jpg)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on December 28, 2014, 07:52:57 pm
Great pics, job done, looks so much better. Old 1970's brick footing buildings going soon?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: PhilWakely on December 28, 2014, 08:28:59 pm
I have an undated picture of the conveyor in apparently good condition and want to date it if possible. I acquired a number of pictures at a Jumble Sale a few years back and they are not dated. I am guessing that it is 1970 or 1971, but can anybody confirm/deny this please?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on December 28, 2014, 11:36:41 pm
The only thing I have to add is that is was definitely the 1970's from my online research. I was a bit too young to notice the first time I trundled into Temple Meads in 1978! Does the GPO have an archive?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: paul7755 on December 29, 2014, 08:20:46 am
There are pictures of the conveyor being built in the planning application for demolition, but even they only give 'circa' 1970, and early 70s in the various descriptions/captions.

Surprising that the planners don't have an exact date.

http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/517842BF5DDC29F59D19046D3BE5A255/pdf/14_03806_LA-SUPPORTING_STATEMENT_-_JULY_2014-1168226.pdf

If link goes stale it is the detailed statement within application 14/03806

Paul


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 29, 2014, 10:12:57 am
There are pictures of the conveyor being built in the planning application for demolition, but even they only give 'circa' 1970, and early 70s in the various descriptions/captions.

Surprising that the planners don't have an exact date.

http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/517842BF5DDC29F59D19046D3BE5A255/pdf/14_03806_LA-SUPPORTING_STATEMENT_-_JULY_2014-1168226.pdf

If link goes stale it is the detailed statement within application 14/03806

Paul

I don't know what it is about the Planning Portal, but it doesn't allow you to link in this way - you always have to go in 'from the top'... maybe it's their way of ensuring you get the latest version of things.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on December 29, 2014, 07:49:31 pm
Here are a half dozen images taken today (29th December 2014) from the London end of Bristol Temple Meads. A much improved vista, and it'll be more so once the platform level buildings of the former mail conveyor are gone.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor1_zpsf068fff4.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor2_zps39c1ce4b.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor3_zps3992e013.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor4_zps7267e8fa.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor5_zps46077df3.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//Conveyor6_zps8ab7cedd.jpg)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 30, 2014, 09:14:20 am
Nice pix BNM! For the record, I wasn't just about to upload a similar set!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on December 30, 2014, 06:59:08 pm
Excellent pix indeed, BNM. I was passing by, not travelling, so didn't have the access.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on January 10, 2015, 09:20:58 pm
Had a quick visit on the Severn Riviera Express to TM from Redland today. Sad to see the planned removal of the old 1970's footing has not progressed, nor has the proposed Dec 2014 vegetation clearance on the Filton Bank seemed to have begun. The biggest disappointment was that the on train revenue collection on the Saturday services that I was on was again non existent.... both there and back again, despite large numbers of passengers.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: coachflyer on January 13, 2015, 11:24:41 pm
http://youtu.be/qTEHtMxuRNA (http://youtu.be/qTEHtMxuRNA)

Network Rail timelapse of the conveyer removal


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 13, 2015, 11:43:53 pm
Fantastic - thanks!  :)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on January 14, 2015, 03:23:22 pm
Work due to start on removing the buildings at the base of the conveyor in the next three weeks according to the chaps on site today whilst I was waiting to catch the sea mills express at lunchtime .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on January 14, 2015, 03:39:02 pm
How spooky. I asked the contractors the exact same thing this morning!

Got the same answer as you WP.  ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on January 15, 2015, 08:13:31 pm
How spooky. I asked the contractors the exact same thing this morning!

Got the same answer as you WP.  ;D

Should further improve the approaches to a beautiful station from the old smoke!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 17, 2015, 08:12:39 pm
Some subsequent posts on this topic, which went off on a tangent, have been split off and moved to a new topic (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15228.0) in 'the lighter side'.  :D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on January 24, 2015, 09:13:31 am
There is a time lapse video of the work done to remove the conveyor belt at Temple Meads over Christmas on the Network Rail website under Greater Bristol. Impressive! A pity that the over running engineering works at Kings X and Paddington couldn't have been done at the same speed !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 24, 2015, 10:19:57 am
Glad you liked it, chuffed: for the link, see post #131 above (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=10737.msg169341#msg169341).  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on February 14, 2015, 12:58:19 pm
Not been to TM for a while. Has anyone noticed if the brick footings of the removed conveyor bridge are being demolished yet?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on February 14, 2015, 11:41:53 pm
Not as of Tuesday 10 February.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 16, 2015, 10:43:06 pm
New on Netork Rail's Great Western Electification website pages, City of Bristol page:
"March 2015
After the successful removal of the conveyor belt, the next stage of modernisation works is to remove the old unused Royal Mail lift shafts. You will start to see the works commence from 16 March and they will continue for a number of weeks."


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 16, 2015, 11:15:27 pm
I was at the Meads this morning there were a couple of Network Rail guys giving the building on Platform 11 a good coat of looking at .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 17, 2015, 02:11:52 pm
I was at the Meads this morning there were a couple of Network Rail guys giving the building on Platform 11 a good coat of looking at .

Important work, that. Ask anyone paid by the hour, and they'll tell you "It's all in the preparation".


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Tim on March 17, 2015, 02:20:49 pm
Not been to TM for a while. Has anyone noticed if the brick footings of the removed conveyor bridge are being demolished yet?

No, but the brick buildings all had a wooden canopy around them and when I passed through this morning I saw that some of those have been removed and some are being removed.  I assume that the brick will be next once that is completed.  It looks like the demolition hasn't stopped but rather is progressing slowly, presumably due to proximity of running lines.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 17, 2015, 04:23:35 pm

No, but the brick buildings all had a wooden canopy around them and when I passed through this morning I saw that some of those have been removed and some are being removed.  I assume that the brick will be next once that is completed.  It looks like the demolition hasn't stopped but rather is progressing slowly, presumably due to proximity of running lines.

If it were urgent, it would be done overnight.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on March 29, 2015, 07:54:55 pm
The brick footings of the former mail conveyor are starting to disappear. The one at the end of platforms 5&7 has gone and others have been gutted. Photos from today (Sunday 29th March 2015):

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0186_zpstywyjido.jpg)
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0189_zpsm4ov7jm3.jpg)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 29, 2015, 10:39:49 pm
It's looking better already, I hope the suggested plans to replace the old original daggerboard canopies are not dropped. Now, who can tell me how they got rid of the debris? Is it right that there is a tunnel under the old conveyor bridge that is being used for this? If so, is it going to be part of the new plans to redevelop TM existing underground space to new uses? Likewise, has anyone heard of when the old signal office blocking the Digby Wyatt shed will be demolished to make way for it's reinstatement for the new electric trains? After all, the electrification is getting closer by the day and it would be a rather poor show for TM not to be ready for it when this all arrives...the clock is ticking and there's loads to do there.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 29, 2015, 10:44:49 pm
BTW BNM, my good lady suggests some lowlights in the new hairdo!  :)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ajg on March 30, 2015, 05:37:29 pm
johnneyw,

The demolition debris is being removed via the subway that links all of the platform buildings and then taken to the old GPO site where it is sorted and transferred to skips for disposal.

As for the canopies, they are not being reinstated to their former length but the exposed gables will have dagger boards fixed to them.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 30, 2015, 08:33:22 pm
ajg,

Many thanks!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: TeaStew on March 31, 2015, 09:05:33 am
Do not get me wrong, this work is fantastic and the removal of the conveyor really improves the view but do you think they will reinstate the newpaper boards in the gents? That is the change at BRI I really notice the most  :-[


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 31, 2015, 09:53:57 pm
I've noticed their absence too. Restoring them would surely would be a low cost improvement!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 04, 2015, 06:18:28 pm
The brick footing from platforms 1/3 has also now gone. Picture from 3rd April 2015:

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0095_zpsrimfua7w.jpg)

Looking down the lift shaft hole where the subway linking the conveyor footings can be seen.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on April 05, 2015, 06:36:58 pm
Saw a mini JCB parked inside what was left of the third building being tackled on Saturday evening. Going fast now.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 05, 2015, 09:02:10 pm
The brick footing from platforms 1/3 has also now gone. Picture from 3rd April 2015:

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0095_zpsrimfua7w.jpg)

Looking down the lift shaft hole where the subway linking the conveyor footings can be seen.

Good to see all those protective barriers in place - that's one heck of a trip hazard!  :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 05, 2015, 10:11:26 pm
I should add that from where I took the photo on P1 there was another high fence, the same as can be seen on the P3 side, and not just the low barrier in the foreground. I'd poked my camera phone through the mesh.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 16, 2015, 12:07:30 am
All the brick footings have gone. Work continues apace filling in/covering over the holes.

I know not whether the subway under the former mail conveyor is being permanently filled in or whether the holes are just being capped. Would seem short sighted to block it off for ever.

Pictures from Monday 13th April 2015:

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0181_zpsbfgg3wmg.jpg)
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//DSC_0182_zps5zq8fq55.jpg)

Just that concrete monstrosity beyond platform 15 to go. I'm partial to a bit of modernist architecture, but not that Royal Mail building - the 'For Sale' sign has been there for over a decade. That really is optimism on the part of Royal Mail... Hopefully the whole area to the east of Temple Meads will be sympathetically redeveloped as part of the Bristol Arena scheme.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 16, 2015, 10:40:36 am

I know not whether the subway under the former mail conveyor is being permanently filled in or whether the holes are just being capped. Would seem short sighted to block it off for ever.


Planning application 14/03806/LA includes detailed drawings of how the lift shafts will be capped - not filled in.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on April 23, 2015, 10:43:11 pm
Progress indeed. Now I'm looking for Network Rail's more concrete plans for their exciting ideas for TM. So far, so little. Massive ambitions for the next few years but it's all seemingly no more than that. Other stations have grand intentions well announced, TM seems to be a rather quieter affair.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 23, 2015, 11:20:43 pm
Well we've got the knitting coming, the closure and removal of Bristol Panel, and the reopening to passenger trains of the Digby-Wyatt extension to the original trainshead.

Passenger facilities are where major improvements are needed. As far as I'm aware, nothing has been confirmed for improving the ticket buying facilities, improving passenger flow (P3 to subway to in particular), increasing retail outlets, a better interchange for buses, taxis and private cars, and so on.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 24, 2015, 09:45:24 am
I share johnneyw's concern - given the glacial nature of the planning and development process used for rail-related projects, you'd be forgiven for hoping we'd have seen some sort of detail by now, but to date all we have is the rather vague impressions you can get from sites like this http://www.bristoltemplequarter.com/about-the-zone/spatial-framework/3d-fly-through ). I'm guessing there will be quite a long consultation phase before they start altering the fabric of Temple Meads - when will that start?

Meanwhile, at least the roof's stopped leaking - but only because it hasn't rained for a while.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on April 26, 2015, 10:31:40 pm
BNM, thanks for reminding me how good Turner's Rain Steam and Speed painting is, second only to his "The Fighting Temeraire" in my books.
RS, I've heard that about ^100m has been put in place for the TM redevelopment. Don't actually know if this is just a proposal or the cash is on the table but if it was I'd be going all out to showcase the plans. I guess you are right that nothing will be promised until the consultation process has taken it's customary geological timescales.


BTW, I've learnt to treat the TM leaking roof as a "water feature".


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 27, 2015, 01:39:26 pm
Well we've got the knitting coming, the closure and removal of Bristol Panel, and the reopening to passenger trains of the Digby-Wyatt extension to the original trainshead.

Passenger facilities are where major improvements are needed. As far as I'm aware, nothing has been confirmed for improving the ticket buying facilities, improving passenger flow (P3 to subway to in particular), increasing retail outlets, a better interchange for buses, taxis and private cars, and so on.

There will have to be a re-siting of the TVMs currently in the car park. Whether the ticket office and travel centre stay in their current form, but with trains to left and right, remains to be seen. Given that DfT want to do away with paper tickets, there could be significant changes to  come.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Ivor Dewdney on April 27, 2015, 06:25:54 pm
Noting Mr Red Squirrel's musical taste, perhaps 'Close to the Edge' is rather appropriate?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 29, 2015, 08:45:44 am
Noting Mr Red Squirrel's musical taste, perhaps 'Close to the Edge' is rather appropriate?

They may be waiting for The Ladder.  :D

Anyway, I was at BRI en route from SRD to BTH yesterday. Two chaps with SDS drills were removing bolts embedded in the concrete between P1 and P3. After that, the cap will be needed for the hole, and I'm wondering how that will be done. The place looks much more open now than it did in the days of the conveyor.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 29, 2015, 11:24:15 am
Well, according to the plans (!) (14/03806/LA) they will install RSAs (Rolled Steel Angles) along two opposite sides of the hole, install a metal deck onto this support, pour concrete on this and then apply finishes.
 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 11, 2015, 10:29:22 pm
As there has not been any update for a while here is a photograph taken whilst passing through on 09 May 2015 (looks much better now):

(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m92/cbrailways/P1000712_zpsgxoghcqr.jpg)
Image (c)2015 SandTEngineer


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on May 16, 2015, 09:53:25 pm
Just been on Network Rail's website for the GWR electrification in the Bath area and seen the "artists impression" of the new bridge replacing the Georgian one at Sydney Gardens..... bit of a shocker! Did Bath City council and the planning permission people know what is being proposed in a World Heritage site?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on May 16, 2015, 10:11:52 pm
Just been on Network Rail's website for the GWR electrification in the Bath area and seen the "artists impression" of the new bridge replacing the Georgian one at Sydney Gardens..... bit of a shocker! Did Bath City council and the planning permission people know what is being proposed in a World Heritage site?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  It looks fine to me.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on May 16, 2015, 11:54:37 pm
Well yes, but Bath is famed for it's Georgian buildings and this is (was) a fine piece of work in a truly lovely park. Before you say it though, yes I do love the modern extension to the Holburne Museum but that is a superior bit of work in my opinion.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 17, 2015, 10:11:05 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Get it out with Optrex. (S Milligan)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 18, 2015, 05:13:26 pm
Just spotted a planning application which details the proposed repair and redecoration works at Bristol Temple Meads.

The colour scheme is rather muted compared to the existing, predominantly grey and white; however the proposal also includes replacing all the GRP 'glazing' panels in the roof with laminated glass, so the gloominess of the main shed should be a bit less stygian.

If you're interested, go to http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/ and search for 15/01847/LA


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 18, 2015, 06:03:35 pm
Less - the new more!

Does the reduction in the number of colours used signify a new trend in decoration of railway stations, or is it to make touching up of damaged areas easier and cheaper?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Tim on May 19, 2015, 10:44:10 am
Just been on Network Rail's website for the GWR electrification in the Bath area and seen the "artists impression" of the new bridge replacing the Georgian one at Sydney Gardens..... bit of a shocker! Did Bath City council and the planning permission people know what is being proposed in a World Heritage site?

I assumed that the old bridges were being kept.  I thought that was why the line was closing for several weeks this summer, to allow the track bed to be dug out and lowered rather than demolishing the bridges


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 19, 2015, 11:15:31 am
Just been on Network Rail's website for the GWR electrification in the Bath area and seen the "artists impression" of the new bridge replacing the Georgian one at Sydney Gardens..... bit of a shocker! Did Bath City council and the planning permission people know what is being proposed in a World Heritage site?

I assumed that the old bridges were being kept.  I thought that was why the line was closing for several weeks this summer, to allow the track bed to be dug out and lowered rather than demolishing the bridges

I can't see any evidence of any plan to demolish bridges in Sydney Gardens. Can you point us at it, johnneyw?

This web-page http://www.networkrail.co.uk/great-western-route-modernisation/banes/ states that "we need to lower the track in a number of places through Bath...", which squares with Tim's thoughts; the artist's impression there shows the existing iron footbridge with perspex panels installed to prevent poky-fizzy-banginess...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on May 19, 2015, 09:11:53 pm
The picture on the above link indeed shows the existing bridge but it's the first of 2 pictures, you can "slide show" it with the arrow below the picture to show the "Sydney Gardens draft visualisation".


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on May 19, 2015, 09:20:54 pm
...or perhaps the pic and the "simulation" are not taken from the same point, in which case I'm relieved  :). I can see how there's a need for the cables to be kept out of arms reach of any curious passer by too.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 19, 2015, 09:32:19 pm
The picture on the above link indeed shows the existing bridge but it's the first of 2 pictures, you can "slide show" it with the arrow below the picture to show the "Sydney Gardens draft visualisation".

The second image is a visualisation of the existing footbridge, with perspex panels installed to prevent poky-fizzy-banginess...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 12, 2015, 09:30:45 pm
I'm informed that the present signal box building currently blocking the access to the proposed new platforms in the old Digby Wyatt shed at TM is to be relocated (at Didcot I believe) as part of the GWR electrification.  Thing is, even with the publicised delays in electrification getting to TM, surely time is running out to get this started. Does anyone know if or when we'll see some sign of movement there? I'm not a civil engineer but I can see there's a bit of work to do there.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 12, 2015, 10:06:01 pm
I'm informed that the present signal box building currently blocking the access to the proposed new platforms in the old Digby Wyatt shed at TM is to be relocated (at Didcot I believe) as part of the GWR electrification.  Thing is, even with the publicised delays in electrification getting to TM, surely time is running out to get this started. Does anyone know if or when we'll see some sign of movement there? I'm not a civil engineer but I can see there's a bit of work to do there.

I take it you are referring to the resignalling (or is it re-control or is it relocking and recontrol? - I get so confused) of the signals that are currently controlled by the Bristol panel. This would transfer control of these signals to Didcot. 

There is still plenty of time to do this before electrification, but the closure of Swindon panel has been heavily delayed and there is a shortage of signalling resources.  I am sure it can still be done before the current planned date for electrification as the current signalling would be adversely affected by electric trains - it is therefore an essential part of the work. 

I am a civil engineer and I cannot help you any further - you need a S&T engineer to fully answer your question.  Now where would we find one of those? 

Calling "SandTEngineer"


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 12, 2015, 11:24:08 pm
Much preparatory work is under way for the new signalling. As with all big projects, the graft is in the preparation, with the installation and commissioning of the actual kit the last acts. Once the new signalling is up and running, the Bristol signal box will put up little resistance to even a small bulldozer. Look beyond the end of platform 1 towards what is now a car park, and you will see the line of the new platform for the IEP. Look down, and you will see that the signal box was built on the track bed and platform. Reinstatement should be straightforward.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 13, 2015, 10:31:19 pm
I'm here....... :D

The Bristol area resignalling extends to replacing the existing interlockings and trackside equipment (excluding signals which will be reused where possible).  This is due to the existing equipment not being AC Immune and hence not immune to 25Kv AC electrification.  The exception to this will be the equipment in the Cogload Junction to Flax Bourton (125 mile post from London) area which will not be changed as it is outside of the electrified area.  The track layouts will not be changed.  This is therefore a part resignalling and part re-control project.

The bases for new trackside equipment cases and rooms are being installed now but the detailed design and build of them is somewhat behind schedule.

The 'new' signalling will be controlled from Thames Valley Signalling Centre (TVSC) at Didcot (which is going to be renamed at some point in the future).  All existing Bristol signals that are numbered Bxxx will be renumbered BLxxxx.  Track circuits will be replaced by axle counters.  The existing 'X' signs that divide the platforms into two parts at Temple Meads station will in future be divided by proper 'back to back' signals.

Bristol Panel will be abolished and demolished to make way for the new terminating platforms but currently this is planned as a second stage of the project.

It looks as if Swindon Panel will be abolished either in October 2015 or over Xmas/New Year 2015/6.  Watch this space.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 13, 2015, 11:30:17 pm
I'm here....... :D

As always, SandTEngineer, glad you could make it! All is now crystal clear.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: eightf48544 on June 14, 2015, 11:45:44 am

 The existing 'X' signs that divide the platforms into two parts at Temple Meads station will in future be divided by proper 'back to back' signals.


So someone has recognised that  the markers at Reading are not much good and you need proper signals.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Louis94 on June 14, 2015, 08:07:58 pm

 The existing 'X' signs that divide the platforms into two parts at Temple Meads station will in future be divided by proper 'back to back' signals.


So someone has recognised that  the markers at Reading are not much good and you need proper signals.

The "markers" you describe at Reading are completely different, merely a car stop marker, guiding where to stop a train returning out of the station the same way and are nothing to do with the signalling.

The 'X' signs at Bristol Temple Meads are classed as signals and may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Rhydgaled on June 14, 2015, 11:29:11 pm
the equipment in the Cogload Junction to Flax Bourton (125mp) area which will not be changed as it is outside of the electrified area.
Did I read that right? A 125mph section which is not included in the scope of the electrification project?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: grahame on June 15, 2015, 07:27:27 am
the equipment in the Cogload Junction to Flax Bourton (125mp) area which will not be changed as it is outside of the electrified area.
Did I read that right? A 125mph section which is not included in the scope of the electrification project?

I'm suspecting "Mile Post 125".  Wikipedia says ...

Quote
The route has a line speed limit of 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) with local variations; trains from Bristol to Taunton are described as travelling in the 'down' direction. It is constructed to Route Availability 8 and freight loading gauge W8. It has Multiple Aspect Signals (MAS) and Track Circuit Block (TCB) controlled from the panel signal box at Bristol. A local signal box at Puxton and Worle controls the two level crossings at Hewish and Puxton, and an emergency panel at Weston-super-Mare can take control of the section from Hewish to Uphill Junction if required.

... which helps to confirm me in making that "Mile Post" rather than "Miles Per Hour" guess.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 15, 2015, 05:10:34 pm
The "markers" you describe at Reading are completely different, merely a car stop marker, guiding where to stop a train returning out of the station the same way and are nothing to do with the signalling.

The 'X' signs at Bristol Temple Meads are classed as signals and may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller.

I think the point is that the X boards at Reading SHOULD be replaced by proper signals. They are not just a guide or car stop marker - they are mandatory stop positions at the end of their own separate track sections and I think I^m right in saying a train that wrongly passes an X board is treated as a SPAD. 

I see no difference between the Bristol and Reading situations.  As I understand it the X boards at Reading, to quote your words, ^may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller^.  So just like Bristol.

So why does Bristol get signals and Reading not?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 15, 2015, 06:03:43 pm
The 'Rear Clear' markers at Reading are not classed as stop signals and if passed would not be treated as a SPAD.  The indication drivers get at the signal before doesn't alter unless there's a train in any part of the platform in which case they get the 'two white lights' - but could still be required to stop at any part of the unoccupied platform.  There are however 'rules' as to where you stop for each train depending on length and next working of that train.

Very different to Bristol where they are classed as stop signals and the driver does get a platform number to indicate where they should stop.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 15, 2015, 08:31:53 pm
the equipment in the Cogload Junction to Flax Bourton (125mp) area which will not be changed as it is outside of the electrified area.
Did I read that right? A 125mph section which is not included in the scope of the electrification project?

Its 125 mile post from London (which is near the site of the closed Flax Bourton station).  I have edited my original post to clarify it.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Louis94 on June 15, 2015, 11:02:03 pm
The "markers" you describe at Reading are completely different, merely a car stop marker, guiding where to stop a train returning out of the station the same way and are nothing to do with the signalling.

The 'X' signs at Bristol Temple Meads are classed as signals and may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller.

I think the point is that the X boards at Reading SHOULD be replaced by proper signals. They are not just a guide or car stop marker - they are mandatory stop positions at the end of their own separate track sections and I think I^m right in saying a train that wrongly passes an X board is treated as a SPAD. 

I see no difference between the Bristol and Reading situations.  As I understand it the X boards at Reading, to quote your words, ^may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller^.  So just like Bristol.

So why does Bristol get signals and Reading not?


To add to what IndustryInsider has said, remember the platform faces at Bristol Temple Meads are longer than those at Reading (some almost 400 metres) and are classed as two separate platforms (Reading having A and B ends of platforms does not count - i'm referring to the Sectional Appendix). Also the platforms at Bristol are used by far more reversing services where there is a potential for a train to already occupying the other end of the platforms, having mid platform signals will mean trains won't need to be cautioned into the station with shunt aspect (two white lights) as is the case in this situation now.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 16, 2015, 10:08:35 am
I accept what Louise and II say about the status of the X boards at Reading and how they differ from those at Bristol.

However, the fact remains that the Reading signalling design requires frequent permissive moves on P13 and P14 particularly.  Permissive working carries more risks than moves between fixed signals (the relevant Group Standards recognise this), so it is an undeniable fact that "proper" mid platform fixed signals at Reading, and anywhere else where there is permissive platform sharing and where it is physically possible to install them, would be safer and operationally more elegant.   

I^ll now get off this Bristol topic. Reading issues are better discussed under Reading.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Rhydgaled on June 16, 2015, 01:23:41 pm
the equipment in the Cogload Junction to Flax Bourton (125mp) area which will not be changed as it is outside of the electrified area.
Did I read that right? A 125mph section which is not included in the scope of the electrification project?
Its 125 mile post from London (which is near the site of the closed Flax Bourton station).  I have edited my original post to clarify it.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 20, 2015, 06:45:40 pm
I'll add my thanks for all that interesting information.  Off course there will also be implications for the current side entrance to Temple Meads once the track goes down over what is now part of the public access, short to middle term at least.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 20, 2015, 09:42:48 pm
NR have submitted plans to replace the lighting inside BRI ( see http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=simple&searchType=Application, and search for 15/02789/LA ). My observations, for what they're worth:

1. Either of my 9-year-olds could have done better drawings of the light fittings;
2. Any hope that BRI is to be refurbished to a standard befitting its historic significance is starting to evaporate - from their aesthetics, one might be forgiven for wondering if NR bought the lights cheaply after German reunification made the border floodlights surplus to requirements.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 20, 2015, 09:50:02 pm
I'll add my thanks for all that interesting information.  Off course there will also be implications for the current side entrance to Temple Meads once the track goes down over what is now part of the public access, short to middle term at least.

I think that is part of the passenger flow considerations in the new design


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 20, 2015, 09:56:29 pm
NR have submitted plans to replace the lighting inside BRI ( see http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=simple&searchType=Application, and search for 15/02789/LA ). My observations, for what they're worth:

1. Either of my 9-year-olds could have done better drawings of the light fittings;
2. Any hope that BRI is to be refurbished to a standard befitting its historic significance is starting to evaporate - from their aesthetics, one might be forgiven for wondering if NR bought the lights cheaply after German reunification made the border floodlights surplus to requirements.

Harsh, but possibly fair. I don't think we can expect the return of atmospheric gas lighting. Hopefully, LEDs will evolve further before the lamps for this job are ordered - they can have a cold light that looks out of place almost anywhere. The benefit is, as you know, they are cheap to run, using a fraction of the power of an incandescent lamp, and lasting many times longer. The downside is that we will be stuck with whatever is installed for a long time, waiting for it to go wrong so we can replace it.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 20, 2015, 10:03:53 pm
NR have submitted plans to replace the lighting inside BRI ( see http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=simple&searchType=Application, and search for 15/02789/LA ). My observations, for what they're worth:

1. Either of my 9-year-olds could have done better drawings of the light fittings;
2. Any hope that BRI is to be refurbished to a standard befitting its historic significance is starting to evaporate - from their aesthetics, one might be forgiven for wondering if NR bought the lights cheaply after German reunification made the border floodlights surplus to requirements.

I disagree. In fact I could not disagree more.
1. The drawing that is a sketch is perfectly serviceable.  Why does it need to be anything more than that for this purpose?
2. a) You do not see the lights at that height - you see the effect of the lighting.  As an example of good use of modern LED lighting in a listed
        building I would suggest you look at Tewkesbury Abbey.  The fittings are not hidden, but they are hardly visible. If LEDs can be made to work in a
        medieval grade 1 listed abbey, Temple Meads should be a doddle!
    b) From my (limited) experience of lighting schemes in listed buildings I am encouraged.  Particularly the use of uplighters to light the architectural
        features of the roof.  In my experience this removes the feeling that you have a hanging darkness above you.




Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 20, 2015, 10:33:24 pm

I don't think we can expect the return of atmospheric gas lighting


Well...


I disagree. In fact I could not disagree more.
1. The drawing that is a sketch is perfectly serviceable.  Why does it need to be anything more than that for this purpose?
2. a) You do not see the lights at that height - you see the effect of the lighting.  As an example of good use of modern LED lighting in a listed
        building I would suggest you look at Tewkesbury Abbey.  The fittings are not hidden, but they are hardly visible. If LEDs can be made to work in a
        medieval grade 1 listed abbey, Temple Meads should be a doddle!
    b) From my (limited) experience of lighting schemes in listed buildings I am encouraged.  Particularly the use of uplighters to light the architectural
        features of the roof.  In my experience this removes the feeling that you have a hanging darkness above you.


It's true that the drawings don't need to be much cop if the scheme is a fait accompli and their only purpose is to tell people where to put the lights and ensure they don't fall on anyone. But it's also true that they don't really give much of an impression of how the lights will actually look, beyond 'basic'.

A key difference between Temple Meads and Tewkesbury Abbey is that Temple Meads had a lighting scheme when built, and we know what it looked like because we have photos. I think that something like the original pendants, coupled with modern discrete LED uplighters, would better reflect the building's heritage than simply leaving out a key part of it's original look. I'm not trying to reverse history; I just think it's a shame to lose an opportunity to enhance Temple Meads which, like Tewkesbury Abbey, is Grade 1 listed.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 20, 2015, 10:52:43 pm
Again many thanks for all the information. Jury is out with me as to the lighting but the above discussion is what I love about this forum. Should be interesting to see how the current side access is actually resolved, hardly use anything but that entrance these days. There's a lot of the heritage of the station that needs preserving but I'm open to new improvements being able to actually enhance the heritage features. After all some of our most celebrated stately homes and cathedrals are the product of centuries of embellishment.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 20, 2015, 11:05:56 pm
It's true that the drawings don't need to be much cop if the scheme is a fait accompli and their only purpose is to tell people where to put the lights and ensure they don't fall on anyone. But it's also true that they don't really give much of an impression of how the lights will actually look, beyond 'basic'.

I contend that the sketch is perfectly adequate, together with the other illustrations,  to tell you what the fittings will look like. at the distance they will be from the viewer I doubt they will see very much anyway. 

A key difference between Temple Meads and Tewkesbury Abbey is that Temple Meads had a lighting scheme when built, and we know what it looked like because we have photos. I think that something like the original pendants, coupled with modern discrete LED uplighters, would better reflect the building's heritage than simply leaving out a key part of it's original look. I'm not trying to reverse history; I just think it's a shame to lose an opportunity to enhance Temple Meads which, like Tewkesbury Abbey, is Grade 1 listed.

Tewkesbury had an atmospheric lighting scheme when built.  It probably involved a mixture of tallow candles, beeswax candles and rush lights.  It was probably vey atmospheric (i.e. smokey in this case). No one would suggest recreating that.  To recreate the original atmosphere of Temple Meads we would also need to do away with diesels and reintroduce stream engines as they undoubtedly contributed to the atmosphere both visually and nasally.  If you just want the colour of gas lights then I am sure the LED people could do something near - at least nearer than the existing lighting.  Do you really want authenticity or a good lighting scheme that really shows off the architecture of the grade 1 listed interior?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: PhilWakely on June 21, 2015, 09:46:42 am
This should be made a 'listed, protected vista' (OK - without those temporary fences to the left and chimney to the right)  :)

I am not sure what I'd prefer if I had the choice...... this; this+PO conveyor; or this + loadsa wires!

(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww255/PhilWakely/P6201583_zpscztau3lt.jpg)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 22, 2015, 09:14:38 am
Do you really want authenticity or a good lighting scheme that really shows off the architecture of the grade 1 listed interior?

That's a false dichotomy: we could have both; prominent period-style pendants coupled with discrete LED uplighters.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 22, 2015, 10:26:54 pm

That's a false dichotomy: we could have both; prominent period-style pendants coupled with discrete LED uplighters.

I've seen it all now. This is surely one for the Pendants' Thread.  :D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 23, 2015, 06:25:58 pm
This should be made a 'listed, protected vista'

Not before the truncated section of the Terminus Shed is rebuilt!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on July 27, 2015, 05:05:05 pm
I've been curious for a while to know what the scaffolding between platforms 1 and 3 at Temple Meads is for. It's been there a while with no visible sign of work on it. I suspect its a temporary fix for something until the new platforms to the old Digby Wyatt extension are got started on. Anybody got any idea?

Also saw today that the work on the now demolished conveyor bridge buildings is looking nearly ready, lighting just about installed and metal caps on the lift shafts being fitted.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 06, 2015, 10:52:24 pm
From the Western Daily Press (http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Great-great-great-grandson-Isambard-Kingdom/story-27746423-detail/story.html):

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Great-great-great grandson of Isambard Kingdom Brunel set to visit Bristol Temple Meads in honour

The great-great-great grandson of Isambard Kingdom Brunel will tomorrow follow in his footsteps by visiting the iconic train station he designed as part of a project to honour him.

The famed railway engineer designed Bristol's Temple Meads station and his descendant Isambard Thomas, 51, will be returning to the landmark tomorrow.

The graphic artist has been commissioned to create a print of the Bristol to Paddington line - one of his relative's greatest achievements.

Workaholic Brunel engineered the line by walking for miles and miles to expertly plan the route on the flattest land for the Great Western Railway.

Now First Great Western, who run trains on the route, is taking on the company's name, and as part of the re-branding have asked Isambard junior to create a modern print.

Isambard said: "It is a great honour to work on a project which was so close to my great, great, great grandfather's heart. I have prints from the time which show how stations and the line used to look and I can compare them with how they look now.

"I have recently visited the Box Hill tunnel, which was a remarkable feature at the time. To build it they had to build 14 shafts down through a hill. All the earth was taken out through the shafts. The brickwork in those shafts is still beautiful and the tunnel is still in good condition, a testament to the work carried out at the time."

The re-branding by First Great Western is part of a massive investment in stations, trains and infrastructure to restore the route to its former glory.

It will be renamed the Great Western Railway, the name of the company which employed Isambard, on September 20.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 11, 2015, 02:08:41 pm
Slightly peripheral to this topic, but there's a YouTube vid of the Arena Island (why do they call it that?) bridge being slid into place here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSnn2_Dwk2A


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on September 11, 2015, 06:34:16 pm
Slightly peripheral to this topic, but there's a YouTube vid of the Arena Island (why do they call it that?) bridge being slid into place here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSnn2_Dwk2A

Good to see - I have been watching that bridge grow during my visits to Temple Meads.

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...Arena Island (why do they call it that?)...

Because it's going to have an Arenal on it. D'uh!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 11, 2015, 07:59:21 pm

Because it's going to have an Arenal on it. D'uh!


Thanks for the clarification, but on that basis they may as well call it 'Arena Mountain'.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on September 12, 2015, 03:50:20 pm
Ah, it's the "Island" that is the mystery! I agree that t is geographically difficult to sustain - Temple Meads is a de facto island, being surrounded on all sides by water within a mile. Spike Island isn't really much of an island, being the opposite end of the land mass that includes Temple Meads, unless the latter is insular. Arena Island is more of a promontory, or something, and even that is on a man-made channel. I think it is a matter of poetic licence*, given the major approach being by a bridge, and with the A4 forming something of a barrier. If that's the reason, I can live with it.

(*Mine's in the post)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on September 12, 2015, 04:08:02 pm
Isn't Temple Meads area and St Philips Marsh actually an archipelago? There's a spit of land between the Feeder Canal and New Cut at Totterdown Basin.

Okay, there was once a lock between the Basin and New Cut I believe, but long since filled in.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on September 13, 2015, 03:54:05 pm
I thought an archipelago was something cricketers went to sea on, only a more important version.

There was indeed a lock into the new cut at Cattle Market Road, and another at Bathurst Basin, which is much more evident. Both were blocked up during the second World War in case the Luftwaffe got lucky. A direct hit on the gates at low tide would have been disastrous for the harbour and the ships using it. It would have been nearly as bad at high tide. The blocking up was made permanent in the early 1950s.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on September 13, 2015, 04:47:29 pm
I thought an archipelago was something cricketers went to sea on, only a more important version.

I of course got my geographical term wrong. I meant a peninsula.

These were invented by Sir Alexander Fleming I believe.

The bit of land where the lock used to be is an isthmus.

Which is, according to my two year old nephew, a gift giving occasion in December. One of his current questions is "Can have it for Isthmus?"


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on September 13, 2015, 07:39:30 pm

I of course got my geographical term wrong. I meant a peninsula.

These were invented by Sir Alexander Fleming I believe.

That's right. He did it in his spare time whilst writing the James Bond books.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 13, 2015, 09:22:49 pm
Well thank goodness we got that sorted out. Easter Island it is then, and look! There's Ursula Andress, emerging from the foam.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 14, 2015, 07:33:21 am
Well thank goodness we got that sorted out. Easter Island it is then, and look! There's Ursula Andress, emerging from the foam.

I'm just looking !.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2015, 11:56:46 am
I thought an archipelago was something cricketers went to sea on, only a more important version.
You're thinking of a pea-green souper wrapped up in a five-pound note. Only, for cricketers it would have to be either a four or a six.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on September 15, 2015, 05:56:01 pm
Well thank goodness we got that sorted out. Easter Island it is then, and look! There's Ursula Andress, emerging from the foam.

I'm just looking !.

I'll risk one eye.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 02, 2015, 11:01:35 am
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34392391):

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Businesses seek cash for Bristol Temple Meads station overhaul

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Bristol Temple Meads is "out of date" and "inadequate", according to business leaders

Business leaders in the West are making a pitch for more government money to revamp Bristol's Temple Meads station.

They say it needs a ^295m revamp - but only ^80m has been earmarked by Network Rail, which is not yet guaranteed.

While Birmingham's New Street has had a ^750m facelift, Temple Meads is "out of date" and "inadequate", they say.

The government has not committed to extra funding but says it is working with Bristol on its enterprise zone and metro rail project.

The West of England Local Enterprise Partnership and Bristol City Council say Brunel's iconic Temple Meads is one of the last city centre mainline railway stations not to meet 21st Century standards.

They argue the region generates more money for the Treasury than anywhere else in England - outside London - yet while rail electrification brings faster journeys, the station itself will be out of date.

The West of England Local Enterprise Partnership said: "Temple Meads is in desperate need of major redevelopment, with an extremely congested entrance and exit ramp, overcrowded passenger tunnel, insufficient car parking and lack of key facilities such as shops, bars and toilets.

"To transform the station will cost in the region of ^295m, and whilst Network Rail has so far committed ^80m for redevelopment as part of the electrification of the Great Western Mainline, this has not been fully confirmed."

The government said it was "committed to firing up local communities and backing businesses so they create thousands of jobs and greater prosperity".

"This includes a successful Enterprise Zone set around the station in Bristol, enabling the Local Enterprise Partnership and City Council to invest business rates in infrastructure and growth," a spokesman said.

"We are also working closely with the West of England Local Economic Partnership to help enable their plans for the Bristol Metro."


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 04, 2016, 06:09:47 pm
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Less Canary Wharf, more Kings Cross


Derelict buildings and land around Temple Meads will be transformed into homes, offices and new squares under plans to create the "Kings Cross of Bristol".

The council has released new images as they launch their 25-year plan to change the area in what is considered to be the biggest regeneration project in the UK.

A consultation is now underway for a ^spatial framework^ - outlined in the new pictures and video fly-through - to follow when deciding on future planning permission for the area which stretches from Temple Gate to the Paintworks.

See full article in Bristol 24/7 (http://www.bristol247.com/channel/news-comment/features/video/video-flying-tour-through-enterprise-zone)


There's also a YouTube vid (http://www.bristol247.com/channel/news-comment/features/video/video-flying-tour-through-enterprise-zone)

Delighted to see that they appear to intend to restore the spire at Temple Meads - I know some philistines are resistant to this, but - well, they're just wrong.

Let's just hope that the dull apparatchiks of the dull old political parties don't manage to blow the whole thing out of the water in a dull attempt to make He of the Undull Trousers look bad - as though that was the same as making them look good.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on March 04, 2016, 06:40:23 pm
Devil's advocate...

What purpose will the spire serve other than aesthetic?

Money well spent?

No problem with all the other aspirations.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 04, 2016, 08:28:20 pm
Devil's advocate...

What purpose will the spire serve other than aesthetic?

None at all.

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Money well spent?

IMHO, yes indeed. What is wrong with aesthetic? In any case, as a Grade 1 listed building, there is probably no option but to restore the tower. The woodenspire was removed rather suddenly on 3 January 1941, so would not be part of the listing.

Which leads me to the most important reason for the plan to restore it: the idea can be dropped to save money. No-one will complain because not many people will have ever seen it, and something else will not have to be binned. They should have gone for a couple of gold unicorns and a Damien Hirst skull too - make value engineering easy, I say!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 05, 2016, 09:46:09 am
Devil's advocate...

What purpose will the spire serve other than aesthetic?

Money well spent?

No problem with all the other aspirations.

My dad often used the phrase 'neither use nor ornament' (often, as I remember it, referring to me...). The spire, as it was, was probably of no use; like the surviving tower it was pure ornament.

From an engineer's viewpoint it's nice to think that something can be both useful and ornamental, but for the rest of us 50% is still a passmark. Or maybe they could hide a mobile phone mast in there?

As to the cost: How much does some 4x2 and a couple of pallets of chinese slates cost?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 05, 2016, 03:53:06 pm

As to the cost: How much does some 4x2 and a couple of pallets of chinese slates cost?

^800 for the slates (2 pallets would cover about 50 sq metres). ^400 for the timber. Labour about ^3000. That makes a total of - let me see... it's a railway job, yes? - ^3.1 million.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on March 05, 2016, 04:22:25 pm

As to the cost: How much does some 4x2 and a couple of pallets of chinese slates cost?

^800 for the slates (2 pallets would cover about 50 sq metres). ^400 for the timber. Labour about ^3000.

Need to price for scaffolding and making good the existing roof where they join. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 05, 2016, 06:04:53 pm
Not to mention the replacement lead work .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 05, 2016, 07:44:57 pm
Plus VAT...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 06, 2016, 12:34:20 am
...and optimism bias...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 10, 2016, 10:52:01 am
Found this YouTube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsuOwJj_ERU) showing how the new bridge (connecting Cattle Market Rd to Arena Island The George Ferguson Memorial to Futility and Ambition Thwarted by Petty Politics) was constructed. Enjoy.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 10, 2016, 04:22:15 pm
Found this YouTube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsuOwJj_ERU) showing how the new bridge (connecting Cattle Market Rd to Arena Island The George Ferguson Memorial to Futility and Ambition Thwarted by Petty Politics) was constructed. Enjoy.

My money remains on the end result being a profitable piece of infrastructure that will make Bristol even more of a destination than it is now. It should help bring forward the creation of an entrance to Temple Meads from Cattle Market Road.

If it isn't approved at the April planning meeting, we can assume that malign political forces are at play in advance of the elections in May. We can then vote out the obstructive elements.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 10, 2016, 05:51:28 pm
Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes.  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 10, 2016, 07:20:08 pm
Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes.  ::)

Well it's not hard to be overambitious in Bristol.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 11, 2016, 11:58:22 pm
Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes.  ::)

Tricky to work out who would stand to profit. All of the parties on the planning committee who delayed it (Labour, Conservative, LibDem and Green) have expressed a wish to see the Arenal built. They can;'t all take the credit. If that is the plan, it could backfire badly.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Stroud Valleys on March 14, 2016, 02:57:38 pm
Couple of queries about the redevelopment

1 - are there any plans to built 2 additional platforms in the main part of the station, i.e. in between platforms 2/3 and 5/6, provided that both platforms 2/3 and 5/6 are reconfigured to fit a new platform island in the middle

2 - what are the plans for the ticket office and entrance to underneath the platforms

3 - when the shed has its 2 platforms reinstated, how is the far side platform going to be reached - subway/footbridge

4 - when is temple meads being resignalled?

5 - presumably when temple meads is resignalled, we will see a number of new signal posts, new track layouts and replacement of lots of track?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Noggin on March 14, 2016, 05:09:17 pm
Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes.  ::)

Tricky to work out who would stand to profit. All of the parties on the planning committee who delayed it (Labour, Conservative, LibDem and Green) have expressed a wish to see the Arenal built. They can;'t all take the credit. If that is the plan, it could backfire badly.

It's hard to know. There was a suggestion that not only did the transport plan lack substance, but there was also a lack of planning about how crowds would disperse etc. Now sure, in Ashton Gate might manage to absorb and disperse a similar number of people without too much trouble, but with a new build, you have to prove that an event at the arena wouldn't block up a major artery into/out of the city that's heavily used by emergency services, with pedestrians, drop off/pickup or just regular traffic.

Basically whilst it's not built, it's waste ground and a concept, if its built and is a nightmare then there very serious consequence for all involved.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Noggin on March 14, 2016, 05:38:39 pm
Couple of queries about the redevelopment

1 - are there any plans to built 2 additional platforms in the main part of the station, i.e. in between platforms 2/3 and 5/6, provided that both platforms 2/3 and 5/6 are reconfigured to fit a new platform island in the middle

2 - what are the plans for the ticket office and entrance to underneath the platforms

3 - when the shed has its 2 platforms reinstated, how is the far side platform going to be reached - subway/footbridge

4 - when is temple meads being resignalled?

5 - presumably when temple meads is resignalled, we will see a number of new signal posts, new track layouts and replacement of lots of track?

Unless I've missed it, there is no grand plan for redevelopment at this time. The council have a planning framework out for consultation, the old Royal Mail building is being demolished, the council want a public walkway under the station, a new southern entrance into the station for the arena and a few other things. I suspect that Network Rail aren't sitting back and waiting for the council to go through the motions, no skin off their noses if it gets pushed back into CP6 as most resignalling and electrification work can be done without upgrading the passenger facilities.

The only thing we know is that resignalling, quadrupling of the Filton Bank and remodelling the eastern part of the station approaches is ongoing. Resignalling has been rescoped to leave out everything south of Bristol TM in this phase in order to permit electrification. This probably means that the signalbox will not go until Bristol South has been done, so the planned reinstatement of platforms in the old shed for the IEPs will not happen for a while. So that means IEPs (and electrification) in the main shed.

Whether that means building works in the main shed remains to be seen, Bath is having platforms extended longways and also outwards in order to fit the IEPs and provide clearance for overhead wiring, so conceivably there might need to be similar work in TM.

Note also that whilst the original plan was to electrify Filton Bank first and introduce some new express electric services, leaving Swindon to Bristol TM via Bath until last, it's now the other way round. I'd imagine that the new services can't start until quadrupling is complete.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Oberon on March 14, 2016, 08:21:17 pm
I thought wiring Wootton Basset-Bath-Bristol had been put back to CP6. Are you saying Filton bank wiring has been similarly designated?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on March 14, 2016, 08:30:58 pm
I thought wiring Wootton Basset-Bath-Bristol had been put back to CP6. Are you saying Filton bank wiring has been similarly designated?

No Filton bank is how Electric Trains will first reach Temple Meads


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: rower40 on March 14, 2016, 09:45:42 pm
I thought wiring Wootton Basset-Bath-Bristol had been put back to CP6. Are you saying Filton bank wiring has been similarly designated?

No Filton bank is how Electric Trains will first reach Temple Meads
Because, with no wires or juice, they can coast down the bank.
How they LEAVE Temple Meads is another matter... ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on March 14, 2016, 11:31:01 pm

Unless I've missed it, there is no grand plan for redevelopment at this time.

There is a grand plan to have a Grand Plan. It has not yet really started life, and is awaited with impatience.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on July 04, 2016, 07:23:22 pm
Just been made aware of a Bristol Evening Post online article today, "New ticket machine trial at Bristol Temple Meads to end nightmare queues for commuters". Sadly the article in true online post style is both confusing and lacking detail. References to ticket machines and ticket barriers are freely interchanged without much explanation. Might have to look for myself.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 04, 2016, 08:05:26 pm
Here is the article from the Bristol Post. (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/new-ticket-machine-trial-at-bristol-temple-meads-to-end-nightmare-queues-for-commuters/story-29473776-detail/story.html)

Quote
New ticket machine trial at Bristol Temple Meads to end nightmare queues for commuters
By L_Churchill  |  Posted: July 04, 2016

New trials at Bristol Temple Meads could see the end of nightmare queues for commuters.

Network Rail said it is testing additional ticket barriers at the station as part of its upgrade plan.

The company hopes that the new system will see less queues during busy periods at the railway station.

Staff will be on hand next week to direct passengers to the new gate locations, which will operate between 7.30am and 9.30am and 4.30pm to 6.30pm on weekdays from Monday, July 11 for two weeks.

Network rail said it will be monitoring the use of the new barriers to gauge their effectiveness.

Drop in sessions will be taking place on platform three of the station on Friday, July 8 from 7.30am until 9.30am.

Network Rail's scheme sponsor, Lisa Evans, said: "We are always looking at ways to improve the passenger experience at our stations. Bristol Temple Meads is a major transport hub in the South West and can get quite congested during peak travel times.

"We hope by undertaking these trials, we can get a better insight into the passenger flow and can test out other gate line locations within the station, to see where improvement can be made both in the short and long term."

It looks as though it's a new gate line barrier. I hope L_Churchill isn't their transport correspondent.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: brizzlechris on July 04, 2016, 08:46:41 pm
There's a bit more clarity on the Network Rail Temple Meads account on Twitter...

11th-15th July - Queen Anne Gate - platform 4 (am/pm peak hours)
18th-22nd July - Bonaparte's Gate - platform 3 (am/pm peak hours)

https://twitter.com/networkrailBRI/status/749883173572636672


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on July 05, 2016, 10:50:05 am
Here, in Network Rail's (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/passenger-movement-improvement-trials-to-be-held-at-bristol-temple-meads-as-part-of-railway-upgrade-plan-1) own words....

Quote

Trials of additional ticket barriers will take place at Bristol Temple Meads station in the coming weeks as part of Network Rail’s Railway Upgrade Plan, with the aim of easing passenger congestion during peak travel times.


Network Rail staff will be on hand to direct passengers to the new gate line locations, which will operate during the station’s busiest periods, 7.30-9.30am and 4.30-6.30pm, from Monday, July 11 to Friday, 15 July and Monday, 18 July to Friday, 22 July.

The usage and impact of these additional barriers will be monitored to gauge their effectiveness at easing passenger congestion and providing a smoother experience for station users.

Following the trials, further engagement activities are planned to assess passenger feedback before taking work forward.

To discuss the aim of these trials in further detail and to answer questions on future improvements for the station, Network Rail and GWR staff will be present at two drop-in events, which will be held at platform 3 on Monday, 4 July and Friday, 8 July from 7.30am to 9.30am.

Network Rail’s scheme sponsor, Lisa Evans, said: “We are always looking at ways to improve the passenger experience at our stations. Bristol Temple Meads is a major transport hub in the South West and can get quite congested during peak travel times.

“We hope by undertaking these trials, we can get a better insight into the passenger flow and can test out other gate line locations within the station, to see where improvement can be made both in the short and long term”.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Stroud Valleys on July 05, 2016, 02:00:28 pm
The Queen Anne Gate on platform 4 would be my favoured option.

Hopefully they can encourage the current ticket barrier to be mainly used for people coming into the station and from the ticket hall, and to direct people leaving the station to use the Queen Anne Gate on platform 4. Would certainly help passenger flows up the stairs i.e. leavers on the left and the others coming in from the right. You could then successfully remodel the space outside Temple Meads to an extent i.e. new bus stops, drop offs, taxis etc


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 05, 2016, 03:23:53 pm
The Queen Anne Gate on platform 4 would be my favoured option.

Hopefully they can encourage the current ticket barrier to be mainly used for people coming into the station and from the ticket hall, and to direct people leaving the station to use the Queen Anne Gate on platform 4. Would certainly help passenger flows up the stairs i.e. leavers on the left and the others coming in from the right. You could then successfully remodel the space outside Temple Meads to an extent i.e. new bus stops, drop offs, taxis etc

Part of the grand plan will be to move all the taxis and buses around the side of the station nearest to the ferry stage. Your plan will work with that, even if this is a stop-gap solution to an immediate problem.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on July 05, 2016, 07:43:22 pm
The Queen Anne Gate on platform 4 would be my favoured option.

Hopefully they can encourage the current ticket barrier to be mainly used for people coming into the station and from the ticket hall, and to direct people leaving the station to use the Queen Anne Gate on platform 4. Would certainly help passenger flows up the stairs i.e. leavers on the left and the others coming in from the right. You could then successfully remodel the space outside Temple Meads to an extent i.e. new bus stops, drop offs, taxis etc

I've often wondered that and then thought "no, it's so blindingly obvious that I must be missing a very good reason why it wouldn't work".  I can't see Bonaparte's gate working half so well as it doesn't provide the segregation of flows that you describe so well.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on July 05, 2016, 07:56:09 pm
The opening of the Queen Anne gate for 'exiteers' whilst leaving the existing barriers for those entering the platforms, along with moving the buses and taxis to the underused road on the other side of the Brunel engine shed platforms seems like a win-win to me. Just as long as the side entrance can still be used by pedestrians from the Knights Templar.....One wonders how this stop gap solution fits with the overall grand plan for Temple Meads which seems to be all talk and no action.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 05, 2016, 10:53:16 pm
I'm afraid "Queen Anne Gate" is too grand for me.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on July 05, 2016, 11:47:15 pm
Brunel Gate for me.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Spaceship on July 06, 2016, 08:35:02 am
Something that always seems to create a bottleneck is the entrance/ exit into the old passenger shed if they got rid of the sliding doors the old entrance would width would be fine


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on July 08, 2016, 12:01:14 am
Something that always seems to create a bottleneck is the entrance/ exit into the old passenger shed if they got rid of the sliding doors the old entrance would width would be fine

Absolutely! Pass through this every morning. Especially bad when passing through with a bike or large luggage as this all but stops other traffic.

The area outside temple meads is chaos at the moment due to the building works going on, all foot and cycle traffic directed down a relatively narrow path directly outside loads of shops then either over a bridge one at a time or a bridge with a blind entrance.  Fantastic....


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on July 08, 2016, 07:44:07 am
Welcome to the Coffee Shop initiation


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 08, 2016, 08:03:35 am
The area outside temple meads is chaos at the moment due to the building works going on, all foot and cycle traffic directed down a relatively narrow path directly outside loads of shops then either over a bridge one at a time or a bridge with a blind entrance.  Fantastic....

Welcome indeed, initiation!

Many of the non-Bristol members who visit Temple Meads infrequently may be puzzled by the reference to shops. Tell them that it is on the well-worn route to the Knights Templar, however, and known exactly where you mean! The chaos is down to the enabling works for the plots of land intended for the next stages of the Enterprise Zone, and I assume involves the installation of the usual civils. I was sad to see the loss of the "Yurt Lush" eatery before I had gotten around to sampling it.

Perhaps you could keep us posted about future changes around the area?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on July 08, 2016, 09:12:52 am
I was sad to see the loss of the "Yurt Lush" eatery before I had gotten around to sampling it.

It is still there just in a different location. Turn left on exiting and head down towards the front of the old engine shed, it's taken over a portion of the car park.






Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. And welcome to the Coffee Shop forum, initiation.  ;)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 08, 2016, 10:34:55 am
I was sad to see the loss of the "Yurt Lush" eatery before I had gotten around to sampling it.

It is still there just in a different location. Turn left on exiting and head down towards the front of the old engine shed, it's taken over a portion of the car park.

Thanks!  ;D





Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Spaceship on July 08, 2016, 01:04:21 pm
Since this was posted on the board I have taken a look at temple meads station when tramping back and forth through there daily The design of the station looks like it can handle many more people than it appears. Those two gates left and right of the main central one aren't used and are gated? It seems obvious to open them up as thats what they are designed for? The left one is really wide and would be great as it bypasses the ticket hall. Great if you have tickets already. Be interested on Monday to see if this temporary entrance thing is done or not?

Also I think they need to alter the up and down on all of the platforms as it can be a bit crowded trying to get down some of the stairs using the correct side. Some people don't bother all the time when it is busy at peak hours and you can get to all the platforms anyway. Maybe make the south side stairs the up and the north side stairs the down, that way the south side are good if you are hurrying down to a platform such as number 8. The stairs are located nearer the odd numbers anyway.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on July 08, 2016, 10:30:20 pm
Sadly the Yurt's new location is not a patch on the old patch (pun alert).


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on July 09, 2016, 10:11:30 am
It is still there just in a different location. Turn left on exiting and head down towards the front of the old engine shed, it's taken over a portion of the car park.

Thanks initiation, I saw it! I must now return with cash and an appetite / thirst.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on September 03, 2016, 07:14:53 pm
Since this was posted on the board I have taken a look at temple meads station when tramping back and forth through there daily The design of the station looks like it can handle many more people than it appears. Those two gates left and right of the main central one aren't used and are gated? It seems obvious to open them up as thats what they are designed for? The left one is really wide and would be great as it bypasses the ticket hall. Great if you have tickets already. Be interested on Monday to see if this temporary entrance thing is done or not?

Also I think they need to alter the up and down on all of the platforms as it can be a bit crowded trying to get down some of the stairs using the correct side. Some people don't bother all the time when it is busy at peak hours and you can get to all the platforms anyway. Maybe make the south side stairs the up and the north side stairs the down, that way the south side are good if you are hurrying down to a platform such as number 8. The stairs are located nearer the odd numbers anyway.

I asked some questions about the gate trial this week and was told that the wide gate by Bonapartes was a definite success while the narrower one by the Airport Flyer bus stop was less successsful because people are just not used to turning left out the subway unless they have a bike to find !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 03, 2016, 08:14:20 pm
Surely that could be a point in its favour utilising the whole stairs rather than half.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on September 03, 2016, 09:40:50 pm
I'd agree.  Anything that splits the traffic on the stairs has to be encouraged.  It won't take long for passengers to get used to the new arrangement, whichever way it is.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: simonw on September 03, 2016, 10:12:36 pm
Anything to add another 4+ gates to allow people to flow in|out and reduce blockages at the current set of gates


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on October 10, 2016, 10:27:20 pm
Anything to add another 4+ gates to allow people to flow in|out and reduce blockages at the current set of gates

Yes there are a number of pinch points

1. Stairs down from platform particularly if a HST calls at platform 8/10 (or even with just a 3-4 car 150/158) which puts the majority of traffic through one staircase.
2. Not enough gates
3. The 'wide' ticket barrier for bikes/luggage is the first on you reach, fine in light traffic but with loads of people they all stop at the first barrier blocking it up for bikes/luggage while the other ones only yards away are fairly free flowing! Regularly see queus of bikes waiting to get out.
4. You're finally through the barriers only to hit a wall of tourists with luggage staring at the departure screens (particularly at weekends).
5. Exiting into the old engine shed, the sliding door blocks half the exit so only 2 people side by side or one bike can fit  through at a time.

Hopefully the trial run will be taken up, either option seemed to take off some traffic and that can only be a good thing.

Hopefully the ongoing 'enabling' works on the quayside will soon be over. The path has been getting progressively narrower and narrower leading to pedestrian & cycle chaos.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on December 01, 2016, 06:37:08 pm
So, the Bristol Evening Post, (which as we all know is printed in Didcot) has led us all up the garden path again, today, by promising all the news on exactly what would be happening in the Temple Quarter redevelopment. Then about 2pm it disappeared from the website !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2016, 11:27:40 pm
Hmm.  ::)

The Bristol Post, as it's now called, is still published in Temple Way, Bristol - according to their website: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/contact.html  ???



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on December 01, 2016, 11:49:27 pm
Chris it is published in Bristol but it is Printed in Oxfordshire and then put in lorrys and driven to Bristol  ::)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2016, 11:57:14 pm
I know ;)  - but their website suggests otherwise.  Postcode BS2 0BY is no longer the Bristol Post.  ;)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on December 08, 2016, 01:05:31 am
It wouldn't be the first incorrect information to appear in the Post.  ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on April 06, 2017, 09:42:10 am
Anyone know what is going on with the ticket barriers at BTM? They have all been removed and manual checks are being done at the moment.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: plymothian on April 06, 2017, 11:29:50 am
Anyone know what is going on with the ticket barriers at BTM? They have all been removed and manual checks are being done at the moment.

Upgrading work.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: simonw on April 06, 2017, 11:33:43 am
Are they adding more gates and possibly a permanent another entrance and exit?

A few more ticket machines wouldn't go a miss!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Tim on April 06, 2017, 02:26:08 pm
Are they adding more gates and possibly a permanent another entrance and exit?


That is my understanding although I am not sure about the timing


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Noggin on April 06, 2017, 08:22:49 pm
Are they adding more gates and possibly a permanent another entrance and exit?


That is my understanding although I am not sure about the timing

It's all going to have to be rebuilt in the near future.

The Council and the University want a southern entrance for their new development on the Royal Mail site and the arena, plus a public walkway under the station. The council's masterplan has the current approach being closed to vehicles, with a drop-off and taxi rank on the north side of the station, presumably with a new station building. Don't forget too that when the signalbox is decommissioned, if they want to re-instate the platforms in the old passenger shed, they'll have to provide some kind of underpass. 

I believe that it will fall under the remit of the new WoE Metro Mayor, who is initially going to be based in the Engine Shed, so hopefully there is a plan prepared and waiting for the new Mayor to sign off on. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on April 06, 2017, 08:45:36 pm
Is it WOE, Metro mayor or Whoah Metro, Mayor ? Given the track record in Bristol I think both are equally valid !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on April 06, 2017, 08:46:39 pm
Network Rail have now put up a sign by the barrier location saying they are upgrading the barriers and 'these upgraded ticket barriers will have smartcard and barcode readers to support our touch smartcard pilot scheme commencing this summer'.

Hoping for some more entrances, ticket machines and barriers anyway!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on April 06, 2017, 10:54:28 pm
Is it WOE, Metro mayor or Whoah Metro, Mayor ? Given the track record in Bristol I think both are equally valid !
And we already have the University of Woe!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 08, 2017, 10:01:17 pm
I must have a word with one of our Mayors.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2017, 10:24:05 pm
But not in North Somerset: we're apparently DOO* here.  ::)





* Dibley Opted Out.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on April 09, 2017, 07:45:39 am
That must be 'Trigger' Ashton and no, no, no,no. no Elfan then. Perhaps we could send them a box of Mrs Letitia Cropley's cakes in gratitude for all that they don't do in North Somerset.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 09, 2017, 09:18:16 pm
Someone had to mention the Elfan in the room! If Britain awaits bad news following Brexit, goodness only knows what sort of poo-storm is coming to north somerset parish council (from now on spelled in lower case) for having decided to opt out and hope that the big boys will still connect with them.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on April 25, 2017, 09:03:31 pm
New barriers are slowly going back in at BTM. Manual checks still going on. Based off the fact that the ones back in so far are in exactly the same location as before it seems unlikely we are having a significant increase in barrier numbers. Still holding out for a second bike/luggage barrier.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: rower40 on April 25, 2017, 09:38:53 pm
I must have a word with one of our Mayors.
Is the one in charge the Western Super Mayor?
(Shamelessly stolen from another forum...)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 26, 2017, 01:44:01 pm
Don't know if it's connected, but all five of the TVMs in the car park were hors de combat when I called in this morning to pick up tickets for tomorrow.

Incidentally, why barcode readers as well as smart card readers? I have just book tickets for Mrs FT, N!! and myself from Lisbon to Porto in June, and was able to print out my tickets at home, along with barcode. Surely we're not going to try something that sensible here?

(315 Km, about a 3-hour journey, 9.50 each, btw.)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 26, 2017, 04:59:43 pm
Bar code readers for, er, rail tickets with bar codes or QR codes.

For print at home rail tickets (yes, there is such a thing) and for the tickets issued from the new hand held devices used on board trains. These replacements for Avantix, which issue tickets printed on
a paper roll rather than the traditional card stock, are slowly being introduced across the network.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on April 26, 2017, 07:44:07 pm
Bar code readers for, er, rail tickets with bar codes or QR codes.

For print at home rail tickets (yes, there is such a thing) and for the tickets issued from the new hand held devices used on board trains. These replacements for Avantix, which issue tickets printed on
a paper roll rather than the traditional card stock, are slowly being introduced across the network.

Into the 1990s we go at last!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 27, 2017, 12:38:28 am
Don't know if it's connected, but all five of the TVMs in the car park were hors de combat when I called in this morning ...

They were still so at 23:30 last night, when I walked past them on my way into the station.  ::)

However, there were three orange-clad people in the fenced-off ticket barrier area - one of them actually working on the internals of a machine, and the other two chatting to each other.  :-X



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: bignosemac on April 27, 2017, 12:47:32 am
hors de combat

???

This?

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//w_03_zpsjcusb8sm.jpg)

 ;D


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 27, 2017, 12:51:44 am
Those new Great Western Railway staff uniforms do look very smart, don't they?  :P



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 27, 2017, 08:59:57 am
hors de combat

???

This?

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//w_03_zpsjcusb8sm.jpg)

 ;D

Later in the war they developed a mechanism that flapped the horse's ears out of the way in time with the bullets...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: stuving on April 27, 2017, 10:05:26 am

Funny - I thought he meant those very friendly jeunes filles at Madame Yvette's ...


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on April 27, 2017, 10:39:20 am
Do you suppose they travelled from Cannon Street to Horsted Keynes ?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on April 27, 2017, 05:01:27 pm
Perhaps they did however they may have used The Small Hearse with The Small Horse !..


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 05, 2017, 04:25:33 pm
hors de combat

???

This?

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/bnm/Photobucket_Your%20Bucket//w_03_zpsjcusb8sm.jpg)

 ;D

Joey!!!

On a more joey front, I made my by now at least monthly pilgrimage to BPN last Thursday. I stopped at CNM for a coffee (and a sizeable saving on my fare) and noticed that all the TVMs there were kaput*. Arriving at BPN, I found that spanking new hi-tech state-of -the-art ticket barriers had been installed, leading to long queues as passengers and staff tried to make them work. At BHM on the return, the whole idea of gateline barriers had been forgotten.


(* Following BNM's droll riposte, I hope to go through as many European euphemisms for "knackered" as I can)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on May 05, 2017, 06:29:37 pm
A request and a query FT-N.

First the request, although we tend to abbreviate commonly used "in area" station codes, could those out of area be spelt out in full, at least the first time they are used.

Now the query, I'm puzzled as to why you need to alight at CNM to take advantage of a split. You can buy both tickets either at the outset or on the train at the same time if so permitted to do (i.e. if you aren't breaching any penalty fare rules). 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: initiation on May 06, 2017, 11:08:34 pm
The new gateline at Temple Meads is now operational. They are able to read barcodes, smart cards and paper tickets.

In terms of number of barriers, the only change is that the wide gate directly facing the stairs (the one that was previously manually opened by staff during peak rushes) has been replaced by a standard 'wide' cycle/luggage/disabled access width ticket barrier. Because it was the closest to the stairs, a queue built up of those on autopilot while the remaining barriers were free flowing. Frustrating if you have a bike or luggage and only have a choice of 2 barriers to get through. On my return through the extra was out of action and coned off.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 06, 2017, 11:16:03 pm
The new gateline at Temple Meads is now operational. They are able to read barcodes, smart cards and paper tickets.

However, when I walked through those ticket barriers at Bristol Temple Meads (BRI) at ten to six this evening, all of them were locked in the open position, with not one member of gateline staff in sight.  ::)



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 06, 2017, 11:19:26 pm
Same at Swindon this evening at 2100hrs and at B Parkway this evening at 2205hrs both stations were busy plenty of passenger movement both arriving and departing .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on May 06, 2017, 11:21:33 pm
John R, I accede! I shall henceforth use the Civil Service standard approach to abbrevs.

I shall also explain my travel strategy. My train out is any BRI (Temple Meads) - CNM (Cheltenham) from 0830 onwards. My train from CNM - BHM (Birmingham New Street) is from Cardiff via Gloucester, hence the need to change. I could start with the 0900, but choose the 0830, giving me a margin for error and time for breakfast at the coffee shop next to Tesco Metro opposite the station in 'Nam. The fare from Brum to BPN (Blackpool North)  is usually cheapest on the 1115, getting me to my mum's, a 25 minute tram ride from North Pier around 1400. Doing it this way, and playing my Senior Git Card, brings me in at a price of around twenty to twenty five quid each way, as opposed to 177.00 for the "rock up and go" fare. I learned all this through the GWR Coffee Shop. Special mention goes to bignosemac, one of the masters of split ticketing.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: simonw on May 20, 2017, 01:42:50 pm
Since the minor refit of gates from the public are of Temple Meads to Platform 3, I have noticed that the  gates are frequently open (0700-0730 and 1600:1630) when I use the station, and frequently not manned.

Are they working? and is revenue protection not important at these times.

Also, the orientation of the standard gates with the large gate is odd. The vast majority of traffic is to-from the stairs to the underpass. The gates appear to focus on traffic for platforms 1/3 only.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 26, 2017, 04:28:09 pm
Just spotted this:

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Getting Bristol Temple Meads ready for new Intercity Express trains

In autumn 2017 new Intercity Express trains will start being cascaded into use, and Network Rail is now working to ensure that the new trains can access station platforms.

At Bristol Temple Meads this summer, Platforms 13 and 15 will be extended in preparation for the new class 800 Hitachi trains. These trains are longer than the existing High Speed trains and at up to 260m in length will require additional platform length to allow all passengers to disembark.

Network Rail are currently working on access arrangements, as well as ensuring this project fits alongside other work taking place at Temple Meads, such as signalling renewals and the installation of new lighting.

Listed building consent has been granted by Historic England.

To extend the platforms, the existing ramp must first be demolished. This demolition will be carried out overnight, between 11.00pm and 5.00am, to minimise disruption to passengers:

Monday 26 June to Friday 30 June
Monday 3 July to Friday 7 July
Platform extension works will also take place overnight, over a three week period. These will be between the hours of 10.00pm and 5.00am on weekends and 11.00pm and 5.00am on week day nights:

Sat 29 July to Mon 31 July
Mon 31 July to Fri 4 August
Sat 5 August to Mon 7 August
Mon 7 August to Fri 11 August
Sat 12 August to Mon 14 August
Mon 14 August to Fri 18 August
Sat 19 August to Mon 21 August
Network Rail is writing to local neighbours and businesses to let them know about these works and is also working closely with GWR to ensure there is minimal disruption to passengers.

While trains wont be running from platforms 13 and 15 on the four Sundays between 30 July and 20 August, Network Rail is working with GWR to understand how trains can be re-platformed. Passengers are advised to check the departures boards at the station for updated platform information on arrival at Bristol Temple Meads.

For more information, or to discuss any concerns during these works, please contact the 24 hour helpline on 03457 11 41 41.

Source: Bristol Temple Quarter website (http://www.bristoltemplequarter.com/getting-bristol-temple-meads-ready-for-new-intercity-express-trains/)


Plansa are available on the Bristol City Council planning portal (http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=simple); search for ref: 16/06244/LA


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 26, 2017, 06:16:37 pm
Yet no mention of any work to start on the old station reinstatement (from platform 1). Do I take it that this is postponed until/if electrification reaches Temple Meads?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 26, 2017, 07:38:01 pm
Bristol panel box is still in the way any no plans AIUI to recontrol the bit south of Bristol to allow it to close.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 26, 2017, 08:35:04 pm
Bristol panel box is still in the way any no plans AIUI to recontrol the bit south of Bristol to allow it to close.
There are some rumours circulating that control of the remaining parts of Bristol Panel will be transferred to Exeter Panel.  Watch this space (but don't hold your breath in the process ;) ).


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 26, 2017, 09:20:19 pm
Thanks for those replies. I suppose I should not be surprised that the headline grabbing PR about reinstating the Digby Wyatt shed appears to be fast receding to the horizon but it is still quite disappointing as it seemed a good idea and real enhancement to Temple Meads.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 26, 2017, 10:49:32 pm
There is no reason why it shouldn't happen, even without the wires in place. The trains will still be going to Paddington via Parkway. Departure from that side of the station seems sensible.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 27, 2017, 10:03:44 am
The island containing Platform 13/15 is short compared with the others at Temple Meads; extending it looks like a good way to improve flexibility. But it's a long walk to the London trains from main entrance, so here's hoping that the plans to reopen the Midland Shed do eventually come about.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 27, 2017, 10:19:34 pm
Extending existing platforms suggests two issues to me. Firstly, it comes at a cost. Secondly, if it is a stop gap plan to accommodate the new longer trains, is it not added expense to getting it right first time by sorting out the Digby Wyatt shed for the new stock a tad earlier?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on June 27, 2017, 10:22:06 pm
Not really.  There will be four trains to/from London in future. Two via Bath which will continue to use 13/15 as per today, and two via Parkway, for which it was intended to use the re-opened Digby Wyatt shed.  So the work on 13/15 would be needed come what may. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on June 27, 2017, 10:46:24 pm
Yes, good reasoning JohnR. I just am disappointed about the continued procrastination about getting Temple Meads up to the standards of other important UK cities.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on June 28, 2017, 08:59:26 am
Extending existing platforms suggests two issues to me. Firstly, it comes at a cost. Secondly, if it is a stop gap plan to accommodate the new longer trains, is it not added expense to getting it right first time by sorting out the Digby Wyatt shed for the new stock a tad earlier?

Still can't get in to the Digby Wyatt shed until they shift the signal box out of the way!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: martyjon on June 28, 2017, 10:06:10 am
I am surprised that this project does not include the removal of the stop block on platform 13 as it is only a few metres short of the running line from platform 15. This would provide another through line and possibly 2 more platforms (14 and 16) following the rest of TM's through platform numbering scheme.

I have been on an inbound service continuing to Taunton which has had to be held at Kingsland Road 'waiting for platform' when 13 was empty. Mind you there was some service disruption but when we eventually got into TM I noted Pl 3 - Cross Country terminator, Pl 5 - late running Cross Country SW to Glasgow, Pl 7 - Cardiff to Portsmouth Harbour (or vice versa), Pl 10 - SWT 159 awaiting departure to Waterloo, Pl 13 - empty (dead end platform), Pl 15 - FGW awaiting next London service. The service I was on went into Pl (11) / 12 after which it had been vacated by an on time Weymouth to Worcester service.

Removal of the Pl 13 stop block and the laying of a turnout connecting the line from Pl 13 to that from Pl 15 coupled with the planned extensions to Pl 13 and 15 would allow these two platforms to become 13/14 and 15/16 and thus looking to the future WHEN (if ever) the Portishead line is re-opened you could have cross/same platform interchange with services from/to that location with London services as the majority of London - Bristol services will be 5 car 80X units anyway although the planning documents do state the extensions are necessary for the new IEP 9/10 car trains. 



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: John R on June 28, 2017, 11:01:57 am
Bear in mind that much of the day 13 and 15 are fully utilised with London terminators. The advantage you are suggesting would be gained would only be useable for around 20 mins in any hour when 15 is occupied and 13 is free.

In respect of roueting Portishead workings into those platforms this would involve many more conflicting movements and reduce capacity, particularly if the services are linked with the Avonmouth line which would then involve crossing all lines through Bristol East Jn to get back into the right side for the branch. At a busy station like Temple Meads it's impossible to provide convenient cross platform opportunities for all passenger flows, and whose to say that Portishead to Bath and beyond will be a more significant flow than say to Filton Abbey Wood. (London and Reading passengers are just as likely to use the new fast services via Parkway anyway.)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 28, 2017, 04:57:40 pm
In respect of roueting Portishead workings into those platforms this would involve many more conflicting movements and reduce capacity, particularly if the services are linked with the Avonmouth line which would then involve crossing all lines through Bristol East Jn to get back into the right side for the branch. At a busy station like Temple Meads it's impossible to provide convenient cross platform opportunities for all passenger flows, and whose to say that Portishead to Bath and beyond will be a more significant flow than say to Filton Abbey Wood. (London and Reading passengers are just as likely to use the new fast services via Parkway anyway.)

The favourite plan is to have trains from Portishead to Severn Beach and Portishead to Bath or possibly Westbury. P3 would be favourite for the first, maybe P4 for the return trip, maybe P9 for the Bath service.

I think the idea of reconnecting the down side of P13 is sensible. Even if it isn't used a great deal, it still gives an option if the need arises.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 06, 2017, 02:56:00 pm
Happened upon these computer visualisations (http://www.ahr-global.com/Temple-Meads-Regeneration) which show how the Old Station might look in some imagined future where the whole project doesn't get canned and Temple Meads isn't allowed to gently settle into the swamp on which it stands... we can dream!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Rhydgaled on October 07, 2017, 10:18:10 pm
Happened upon these computer visualisations (http://www.ahr-global.com/Temple-Meads-Regeneration) which show how the Old Station might look in some imagined future where the whole project doesn't get canned and Temple Meads isn't allowed to gently settle into the swamp on which it stands... we can dream!
My first impression: YUCK. Save our money for keeping the place from sinking (if indeed it's at risk of that) and putting in the extra platforms (in the old train shed) rather than spending on modern architecture for a station that looks very nice as it is thank you.

On closer inspection, the old train shed roof remains but is that in full or only in part? Is the modern roof section (in the foreground of the first pic) replacing anything or is there nothing there right now? If there's no demolition involved for that new roof, it isn't too bad I suppose but that weird blunt-triangular-prisim structure inside the old train shed looks very out of place.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on October 07, 2017, 10:35:52 pm
On closer inspection, the old train shed roof remains but is that in full or only in part? Is the modern roof section (in the foreground of the first pic) replacing anything or is there nothing there right now? If there's no demolition involved for that new roof, it isn't too bad I suppose but that weird blunt-triangular-prisim structure inside the old train shed looks very out of place.

The new bit is to cover the bit where there is nothing now. 

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"That weird blunt-triangular-prisim structure inside the old train shed"
I think it is supposed to be clear that it is not old and not to touch the listed historic structure.  Probably insisted on by Historic England. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 08, 2017, 12:24:46 am

The new bit is to cover the bit where there is nothing now. 
 

To expand on this, eight bays (if I've counted correctly) of the roof of the Digby-Wyatt extension to Brunel's train shed were demolished in the 1970's to accommodate the current signal box. Personally I think it would be appropriate to restore these bays as they were, because the original roof complemented the main 'express curve' train shed; this image (http://bristol-rail.co.uk/w/images/thumb/c/cd/D7010-1.jpg/800px-D7010-1.jpg) shows how it was.


gently settle into the swamp on which it stands...


I don't think there is any particular problem with subsidence; I was alluding to the fact that Temple Meads is in a pretty shocking state at the moment and that if current levels of investment continue then it will eventually fall down.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Noggin on October 08, 2017, 08:36:28 am
At a guess those visualisations were done early on in the electrification project when it was planned that London trains would go into the old station (avoiding electrification of the curvy bit). Of course that required that resignalling would be complete so that the signal box could be removed and, ahem.

NR *are* currently doing quite a lot of work behind the scenes on the station, but you are right that there's certainly no sign of the comprehensive overhaul it requires if it's going to be fit for purpose for the next 100 years. A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council. I wouldn't hold my breath though. 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: grahame on October 08, 2017, 09:02:29 am
At a guess those visualisations were done early on in the electrification project when it was planned that London trains would go into the old station (avoiding electrification of the curvy bit). Of course that required that resignalling would be complete so that the signal box could be removed and, ahem.

Platforms at Bristol always seem a bit mysterious to me ... at times it feels there's plenty of capacity with "next train"s being hours away, the all of a sudden you get two at the same time:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/p12bri.jpg)

What are the platform allocation plans for the future?  Will the station cope with four tracks worth of services flooding in from the north? Where will the London trains coming down Filton Bank terminate with a signal box in the way?  Brief call at Temple Meads followed by a reversal at the extra platform at Bedminster?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 08, 2017, 09:08:20 am
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Brief call at Temple Meads followed by a reversal at the extra platform at Bedminster?

That's a practice that will occur when the class 800s start
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P05043/2017/11/13/advanced


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: grahame on October 08, 2017, 09:46:47 am
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Brief call at Temple Meads followed by a reversal at the extra platform at Bedminster?

That's a practice that will occur when the class 800s start
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P05043/2017/11/13/advanced

Good grief ... many a true word spoken in jest!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 08, 2017, 09:51:51 am

A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council...


University of Bristol are being either vague or tight-lipped about access from their new campus into Temple Meads via the underpass. The initial round of consultation for the Cattle Market site suggested that such access was possible, but showed the buildings orientated in a way that pretty much ignored it...



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 08, 2017, 05:08:27 pm
I don't like the "prism with rounded corners" much either. The roof's alright but I wonder about ventilation, especially now we're going to have diesel trains until the end of time, as it looks rather lower than the old roof.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 08, 2017, 10:49:14 pm
A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council. I wouldn't hold my breath though. 

No.  Neither will I.   :-X



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 23, 2017, 08:20:23 pm
The uni have released what they want to replace the old sorting office with.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/first-glimpse-bristol-universitys-new-300m-campus/

Admittedly this isn't strictly the redevelopment of Temple Meads Station itself but this old eyesore is so associated with Temple Meads that I thought to include it here.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 23, 2017, 09:18:58 pm
What are the platform allocation plans for the future?  Will the station cope with four tracks worth of services flooding in from the north? Where will the London trains coming down Filton Bank terminate with a signal box in the way? 

The plan is, although it has gone a bit quiet of late, to remove said signal box as soon as all of its functions have been transferred elsewhere, then extend the line from Platform 1 into the 1870 Digby Wyatt shed. This will obviously be done as part of the wider improvements as an underpass from the Friary entrance will be required. A new line into a further Platform 0 may also happen, and hopefully that lovely little wooden office perched high on the wall will see a man in a top hat looking down at the scene.

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Brief call at Temple Meads followed by a reversal at the extra platform at Bedminster?

I used to spend hours watching the HSTs reversing at Bedminster when I was based in an office overlooking the site. We had the Orient Express on Fridays too, to use the washer by Victoria Park.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: martyjon on November 23, 2017, 09:28:55 pm
Well I suppose if the UOB development goes ahead Marvin can be handed a hammer, a nail and he can drive the nail into the coffin of the arenal, something he has wanted to do since the day he was elected.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 23, 2017, 10:15:28 pm
The uni have released what they want to replace the old sorting office with.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/first-glimpse-bristol-universitys-new-300m-campus/

Admittedly this isn't strictly the redevelopment of Temple Meads Station itself but this old eyesore is so associated with Temple Meads that I thought to include it here.
Crikey, that looks like replacing a disgusting eyesore with another equivalent one..... :P


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 23, 2017, 10:31:55 pm
Well I suppose if the UOB development goes ahead Marvin can be handed a hammer, a nail and he can drive the nail into the coffin of the arenal, something he has wanted to do since the day he was elected.

Only since then?  ;D

Crikey, that looks like replacing a disgusting eyesore with another equivalent one..... :P

Slightly unfair - at least it hasn't been derelict for north of a decade. Not yet, anyway. It will probably actually get built, given that firstly the council aren't involved beyond planning permission, secondly it is definitely needed if the University is going to attract those valuable oversea fees as it trains a new generation of foreign computer hackers, and lastly because it won't cost more than a few years' Vice Chancellor average salary.

[/cynic]


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 23, 2017, 10:45:22 pm
The uni have released what they want to replace the old sorting office with.

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/first-glimpse-bristol-universitys-new-300m-campus/

Admittedly this isn't strictly the redevelopment of Temple Meads Station itself but this old eyesore is so associated with Temple Meads that I thought to include it here.
Crikey, that looks like replacing a disgusting eyesore with another equivalent one..... :P

The jury is out with me but I do have a small initial feeling of disappointment with what seems a fairly unadventurous edifice that may end up looking like many others.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 24, 2017, 08:54:26 am
Well I suppose if the UOB development goes ahead Marvin can be handed a hammer, a nail and he can drive the nail into the coffin of the arenal, something he has wanted to do since the day he was elected.

It's a different part of the site. It has no bearing on Marvin's evil plans.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 24, 2017, 09:38:40 am
It's a nothing special of a building. But look at Senate House, the library buildings next to it and some of the halls of residence up in Stoke Bishop; I don't know if the university has an architecture department, but if they do, it's not a good sign!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 24, 2017, 12:37:15 pm
I think we should avoid reading too much into the artist's impressions - I doubt the final scheme will look much like them; they're just there to give an idea of scale for outline planning purposes.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 24, 2017, 08:11:30 pm
Well I suppose if the UOB development goes ahead Marvin can be handed a hammer, a nail and he can drive the nail into the coffin of the arenal, something he has wanted to do since the day he was elected.

It's a different part of the site. It has no bearing on Marvin's evil plans.

One could be forgiven for thinking the Arenal site would make a good car park. How else will students and dons be able to travel between there and Clifton?

I think we should avoid reading too much into the artist's impressions - I doubt the final scheme will look much like them; they're just there to give an idea of scale for outline planning purposes.

Good point. After all, MetroBust looks nothing like the pictures in the initial "consultation" documents.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on November 24, 2017, 09:02:51 pm
One could be forgiven for thinking the Arenal site would make a good car park. How else will students and dons be able to travel between there and Clifton?

Umm the article specifically says there will be a shuttle bus service from the new Campus to Clifton


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 24, 2017, 11:30:12 pm
...there will be a shuttle bus service from the new Campus to Clifton

If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 24, 2017, 11:34:38 pm
If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!

Some of them will work it out before graduation.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 25, 2017, 12:32:23 am
If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!

Some of them will work it out before graduation.

Incurable optimist!


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on November 25, 2017, 08:29:25 am
...there will be a shuttle bus service from the new Campus to Clifton

If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!

But that would mean building a branch line from Clifton Down over 1/2 mile long.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 25, 2017, 11:17:03 am
...there will be a shuttle bus service from the new Campus to Clifton

If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!

But that would mean building a branch line from Clifton Down over 1/2 mile long.

Rather less than that distance from CFN to the Library on Tyndalls Park Road, which is generally considered the 'centre' of the UoB (maybe you were thinking of the Wills Memorial?). That quibble aside, I expect it'll also run a little more frequently than the Severn Riviera Express, though given 20 years for the GRIP process - and half a billion quid - it may be possible to redouble the branch up to Clifton Down and get a 15-minute service.



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on November 25, 2017, 12:10:34 pm
A more frequent running on the whole of the route might be achieved by only redoubling 1 or 2 of the stations, Sea Mills for example. This would give more passing loops. Problem is that this would need more rolling stock and points/signalling costs too.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: martyjon on November 25, 2017, 12:18:45 pm
Redouble the whole route from Narroways Junction to Holesmouth Junction and bring the Henbury Loop back into passenger use without further delays. Some hope.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: froome on November 25, 2017, 01:18:32 pm
Redouble the whole route from Narroways Junction to Holesmouth Junction and bring the Henbury Loop back into passenger use without further delays. Some hope.

(genuine question): If the Henbury loop was opened, would redoubling of the track on the Severn Beach line actually be needed? (obviously it might be desirable). Presumably a circular service could have enough passing places to run fairly frequently in both directions.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on November 25, 2017, 06:11:33 pm
...there will be a shuttle bus service from the new Campus to Clifton

If only you could get to Clifton by train from Temple Meads!

But that would mean building a branch line from Clifton Down over 1/2 mile long.

Rather less than that distance from CFN to the Library on Tyndalls Park Road, which is generally considered the 'centre' of the UoB (maybe you were thinking of the Wills Memorial?). That quibble aside, I expect it'll also run a little more frequently than the Severn Riviera Express, though given 20 years for the GRIP process - and half a billion quid - it may be possible to redouble the branch up to Clifton Down and get a 15-minute service.

No 0.6 miles to the Library and 0.7 miles to the Wills Memorial.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on November 25, 2017, 06:50:22 pm
A more frequent running on the whole of the route might be achieved by only redoubling 1 or 2 of the stations, Sea Mills for example. This would give more passing loops. Problem is that this would need more rolling stock and points/signalling costs too.

Bringing the junction between Redland and Clifton Down back to Montpelier by double tracking that section, and doing similar work to achieve double tracking from just past the bridge over the Trym to Avonmouth would double capacity without needing extra signalling.

(genuine question): If the Henbury loop was opened, would redoubling of the track on the Severn Beach line actually be needed? (obviously it might be desirable). Presumably a circular service could have enough passing places to run fairly frequently in both directions.

Hm, good question. The answer would depend on what level of service you wanted to achieve. Assume for a moment that MetroRail West manages to achieve half-hourly services from Severn Beach. From Avonmouth to Severn Beach takes 11 minutes, so that is achievable - just. The next train would need to arrive at Avonmouth just as the train from Severn Beach arrived. It takes 12 minutes for the Bristol-bound train to clear the single line section between there and Clifton Down, where it would need to pass the next outbound train. So as things stand, there would not be room enough for another train from Henbury fitting in with the 30-minute frequency. Nor do I think it would fit in with hourly from Severn Beach and half-hourly from Avonmouth as things stand. Passing places are fine, but leave little room for manoeuvre. I think the only way to make services resilient at anything more than the current frequency on the SVB line is to make those passing loops very long - Avonmouth to Sea Mills and Clifton Down to Montpelier - as I described above. That isn't far short of redoubling the line completely, but does avoid replacing the bridge at Sea Mills and doing work on Montpelier tunnel.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: martyjon on November 26, 2017, 05:57:31 pm
Was there a problem at Temple Meads this morning. A mate of mine texted me that he had to drive to Gloucester this morning as his train was about an hour late and that he, his wife, daughter and daughters boyfriend had arrived at station well in time to catch the first service to Gloucester to attend the christening of their first grandchild.

On arrival at station the CIS wasn't working so he sought help from the help point and was told there was a delay on the service and it hadn't left Bristol yet.

Looking at RTT it would appear that services north were initially working TM to North Somerset Junction then reversing round the rhubarb curve to Dr. Days junction.

In fact I did notice that one Cross Country service was cancelled between TM and New Street having to leave Barton Hill depot by the east, work to Lawrence Hill, reverse to North Somerset Junction then again reverse to Temple Meads. Presumably after loading the catering trolley and on board staff it then left TM via the reverse of the inbound movement to TM and ran ECS to New Street.

My mates reaction, he'll never plan to attend an important family function by rail again.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: grahame on November 26, 2017, 08:06:27 pm
My mates reaction, he'll never plan to attend an important family function by rail again.

Sad.  We had problems today too ... "we decided to hop in a taxi" says a message from someone we had hoped was making her first of many journeys.   How will the railways cope with all these extra passengers encouraged to travel on their 26 - 30 railcards?
 


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 26, 2017, 08:33:05 pm
No 0.6 miles to the Library and 0.7 miles to the Wills Memorial.

My bad - I was measuring to Tyndalls Park Road - but the Library's on Tyndall Ave, which is, as you say, rather further.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on January 25, 2018, 05:44:14 pm
Passenger capacity improvements from Dec 17 Network rail newsletter

Following the trials in July 2016, we have been working up the detail on the additional ticket barriers that will be introduced at Bristol Temple Meads in Autumn 2018.
In the spring we will start work on installing these at Queen Anne Gate (near the cycle racks) and at Bonapartes bar. The aim of the project is to ease congestion for passengers but also provides additional choices for exiting the station depending on your destination. More detail to follow in next Newsletter.

Cannot help thinking that the message 'more barriers than usual needing repair and maintenance at the same time' is already being prepared !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 25, 2018, 07:23:16 pm
Bristol City Council listed building consent application ref: 17/05690/LA - if you're interested! Approved on 21st December 2017.

Note that this application includes re-siting the bike racks from Platform 4 to a new location immediately outside the new gate - where they will, one assumes, be less secure and more exposed to wind and weather.

Edit: clarification


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Phantom on March 07, 2018, 11:26:56 am
Interesting to read about the new gates after the two trials which seem like an age ago now
Does anyone have any timescales for these works?

Of interest was talking at WSM station this morning, they are having gatelines (finally) put in, in October 2018
Haven't seen any plans for this - does anyone have a link to them?
(I assume they will be similar to what is at Hereford station??)


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 07, 2018, 08:42:02 pm
Edit Note:

Subsequent posts relating specifically to Weston super Mare Station have been split off into a separate topic.

See http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=10640.msg233004#msg233004



Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on March 22, 2018, 10:42:55 am
BBC local radio report that Network Rail have announced a refurbishment of Temple Meads roof. Haven't seen any written details about it yet but I guess the leaky bit on Platform 5 has it's days numbered (unless it's a Grade 1 listed leak). 😀


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 22, 2018, 10:50:18 am
Points west segment during BBC Breakfast News this morning
Saying the sum of 40 million to be spent on repairs to the roof and re wiring of the station and also two new entrance and exits .


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on March 22, 2018, 12:26:13 pm
And just how many times has this been announced, and nothing ever seems to happen?


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 22, 2018, 05:19:48 pm
So they're finally getting round to doing some long-overdue maintenance! It is shocking that it has been allowed to get into such a state.

It would be better news to hear that they have found a way to fund ongoing maintenance so that we don't find ourselves in this position again in 30 years - but that's just not the way state-owned infrastructure's done, sadly.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: johnneyw on May 18, 2018, 01:57:20 pm
Evening Post has this on new entry gates for Temple Meads:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/two-new-entrances-being-built-1575030


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on May 18, 2018, 02:13:24 pm
The way GWR is going, we'll have hassle free entrances, with some rather less harrassed gateline staff, but no trains to catch or arrive on !


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Phantom on May 21, 2018, 10:46:17 am
The way GWR is going, we'll have hassle free entrances, with some rather less harrassed gateline staff, but no trains to catch or arrive on !

At Temple Meads I find it amazing how many times the gate line staff stand in the way of the barriers, just this morning there were 3 staff stood chatting blocking the exits


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: chuffed on May 21, 2018, 10:59:45 am
Totally agree. And we poor blinkin' passengers , sorry CUSTOMERS, are made to feel like a major major' inconvenience, disturbing their cosy little chats. I cannot count the times I have been blanked by the gateline staff at Temple Meads when wishing them a good time of day or thanking them for letting me through. Is there a special grade of bloody mindedness/ charmlessness that equates with being sent to the gateline at TM ? I just wonder if they are sent to Blackpool North for training.


Title: Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment
Post by: Four Track, Now! on June 05, 2018, 08:41:21 pm
Totally agree. And we poor blinkin' passengers , sorry CUSTOMERS, are made to feel like a major major' inconvenience, disturbing their cosy little chats. I cannot count the times I have been blanked by the gateline staff at Temple Meads when wishing them a good time of day or thanking them for letting me through. Is there a special grade of bloody mindedness/ charmlessness that equates with being sent to the gateline at TM ? I just wonder if they are sent to Blackpool North for training.

Oi! I am here, you know!



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