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Title: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: TheLastMinute on July 16, 2012, 12:29:46 Hi,
The High Level Output Specification for Control Period 5 (2014-2019) was released today. This document basicly says what improvements the government will pay for in the control period. Included in list of "illustrative infrastructure enhancements" are the following: Quote from: http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/hlos-2012/illustrative-options.pdf West
In typical "Yes, Minster" style, this isn't the government confirming that these scheme will go ahead but rather that the government will fund schemes that achieve the same outcomes as the above and at the same cost. However, it's up the railway to decide what they actually want do as they may wish to extra capacity themselves. The full statements and documents are available form the DfT here (http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/hlos-2012/). TLM Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: TheLastMinute on July 16, 2012, 12:43:40 Also confirmed affecting GW land is
I think that's all of them. That's() a fairly long list and I believe we done quite well out of it. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2012, 15:15:43 Hi, The High Level Output Specification for Control Period 5 (2014-2019) was released today. This document basicly says what improvements the government will pay for in the control period. Included in list of "illustrative infrastructure enhancements" are the following: In typical "Yes, Minster" style, this isn't the government confirming that these scheme will go ahead but rather that the government will fund schemes that achieve the same outcomes as the above and at the same cost. However, it's up the railway to decide what they actually want do as they may wish to extra capacity themselves. The full statements and documents are available form the DfT here (http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/hlos-2012/). TLM I think (or hope) that you can read more into this news. Although it is "illustrative", it does mean that four track was used as the model for costing the improvement demanded. NR could choose a different scheme to achieve the same end, but when you consider the many streams of traffic heading into Filton Bank, it is difficult to think of a viable alternative. To the existing passenger traffic from the north, already using most of the two line capacity, we will see additional freight from Avonmouth, IEP services from London via Parkway, and trains to the new maintenance depot. That is before the addition of Metro services. Four Track Now? Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: RichardB on July 16, 2012, 16:26:49 Reusing the original train shed is, of course, another way of announcing that Bristol resignalling will come in CP5 (given the Panel Box is in the way now!). Four track on Filton Bank and all sorts of other goodies should fall out of that.
Of course, helps Portishead and how about redoubling the Weston loop from Worle to Weston? Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: stebbo on July 16, 2012, 16:34:29 Electrification of Oxford to Leamington seems slightly odd if one's not electrifying Leamington to Birmingham, especially given the decision to electrify Reading/ Southampton.
And why electrify Oxford to Bletchley given that Oxford to Bicester will be mainly Chiltern operated and they, I guess, will still be using diesel haulage? Not at all against this - indeed the more electrification the better - but it seems to me there's bits missing. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: grahame on July 16, 2012, 16:42:06 Electrification of Oxford to Leamington seems slightly odd if one's not electrifying Leamington to Birmingham, especially given the decision to electrify Reading/ Southampton. And why electrify Oxford to Bletchley given that Oxford to Bicester will be mainly Chiltern operated and they, I guess, will still be using diesel haulage? Not at all against this - indeed the more electrification the better - but it seems to me there's bits missing. Map shows electrification carrying on from Leamington to Coventry and Nuneaton, thus completing an electric freight route from Southampton to the Midlands and North. Oxford to Bletchley extends to Bedford ... statement elsewhere in all the documentation is that Chiltern remain a diesel operation. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: IndustryInsider on July 16, 2012, 16:54:38 Electrification of Oxford to Leamington seems slightly odd if one's not electrifying Leamington to Birmingham, especially given the decision to electrify Reading/ Southampton. The dualling of the Leamington to Coventry section (also announced today) means that all XC services are likely to be routed via Coventry (along with all the freight), so presumably converted and lengthened eVoyager trains will run diesel from Bournemouth to Southampton, then electric from Southampton all the way to Birmingham New Street and on to Manchester. The current Southampton/Reading to Newcastle service would need to revert to diesel from Birmingham to Derby, then could be electric to Sheffield and diesel to Leeds then electric on to Newcastle, or they (or a new service) could run electric all the way from Southampton to Sheffield via Oxford and Bedford. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: paul7575 on July 16, 2012, 16:54:57 Electrification of Oxford to Leamington seems slightly odd if one's not electrifying Leamington to Birmingham, especially given the decision to electrify Reading/ Southampton. It seems to be designed for freight and XC - and both XC services are supposed to run via Coventry once the Leamington - Coventry is doubled as part of the work. That probably helps explain the route via Solihull not being done yet. Strikes me that if everything listed is done the next announcement would then be infill of all the remining gaps in NE-SW XC routes. Paul Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: stebbo on July 16, 2012, 17:17:55 And one might add that Bristol and Severn Tunnel Junction to Birmingham via Cheltenham would be a useful next step
Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2012, 18:39:19 From Campaign for Bristol Metro (http://greaterbristolrail.com/2012/07/16/four-track-for-filton-bank-thats-a-yes/)
Quote Four track for Filton Bank? That^s a yes Posted on July 16, 2012 by commsofficer A corporate sweat broke out on the forehead of the four authorities when dawn broke this morning, as we waited nervously to see if the government had funded our four tracks to Filton Bank. And then Rail Minister Theresa Villiers swept into Temple Meads (looking a lot calmer than us) to confirm that four-track from Temple Meads to Filton Bank will go ahead. Anyway, it^s all down to you again, wonderful public who like trains. Four track is the crucial bit of the jigsaw that we have to put in place to get Greater Bristol Metro Rail to work. So many, many thanks to the hundreds of you who wrote special letters to the ministers about it. Half-hourly trains in Bristol and the region, a new line to Portishead, and all those re-opened stations can actually happen. So there we are: Four Track, Now. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: Tim on July 30, 2012, 17:10:52 Strikes me that if everything listed is done the next announcement would then be infill of all the remining gaps in NE-SW XC routes. Paul there are quite alot of "gaps". Connecting the MML to ECML to allow Birmingham-Newcastle XC electric trains is one of them. As is the Gospel Oak Line north of London. I think we need to remember that 2019 is actually rather close and the electification folks will have their work cut-out up until then. Hopefully they prove themselves up to the task and the wiring continues beyond 2019. The economics of electrifying a few short miles of missing link might even be sufficiently promising for the franchisees to want to fund the wires themselves to benefit from cheaper electric trains. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: SandTEngineer on July 30, 2012, 17:14:59 I'm more concerned about the ability of the signalling market to keep up (in advance). Its already beginning to heat up now...........
Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: paul7575 on July 30, 2012, 17:25:14 Strikes me that if everything listed is done the next announcement would then be infill of all the remaining gaps in NE-SW XC routes. Paul there are quite alot of "gaps". Connecting the MML to ECML to allow Birmingham-Newcastle XC electric trains is one of them. That's what I just wrote wasn't it? ??? Paul Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: Tim on July 31, 2012, 09:58:03 Yes, I was agreeing with you, but pointing out that this isn't the only "gap".
Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: paul7575 on July 31, 2012, 12:27:38 Yes, I was agreeing with you, but pointing out that this isn't the only "gap". I didn't say it was the only gap, I suggested that the NE/SW XC route was likely to be a part of the next plan. Title: Re: HLOS 2012 released: Filton Bank quadrupling, Bristol TM plus many others Post by: TonyK on August 05, 2012, 13:58:33 I'm more concerned about the ability of the signalling market to keep up (in advance). Its already beginning to heat up now........... I have no idea of how any of this works! Is there one company doing all the signalling? Has much new signalling work been done over the past few years? I'm sure this will be seen as an exciting opportunity in the civil engineering sector, albeit a finite one. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |