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Title: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 21, 2012, 15:59:52
Suprised that no one else has posted this.
Most services to/from the West cancelled, including tonights sleeper.
West country services from Waterloo as bad.

(source BBC news, but widely reported)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on November 21, 2012, 17:51:21
Not only Tiverton and no trains between Exeter St Davids & Taunton, but subject to any updates, Chipping Sodbury Tunnel closed (as usual).  Bristol TM to Weston-super-Mare closed  and earlier closures between Bristol Parkway & Gloucester, the Severn Tunnel and between Llanelli & Carmarthen.   SWT route closed between Exeter andd Gillingham.   Landslides all over the place.     Suggest you look at National Rail Travel for updates.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 21, 2012, 18:29:43
Very confused passengers at reading tonight. Loads of xc services cancelled any anyone trying to get home to the south west is in for a long way. On one of the Bristol bound trains the despatch crew were having a real trouble getting passengers on - it was the busiest west bound train I have seen in reading for a long time.

But worse than that (a) people are talking in the quiet coach on the 1736 and (b) they have removed the urinals from the gents on reading station concourse loos. No that really is taking the p&&s
.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 21, 2012, 18:31:44
No services to the South West from Paddington this evening - not sure if anything got through - but the 14:06 and 15:06 were cancelled outright and those after it only starting from Exeter St Davids (including the 18:03 and 19:03).  This morning's 07:30 was cancelled at Bristol Temple Meads and an additional train ran in its path from Exeter St Davids to Penzance.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on November 21, 2012, 18:55:20
Looks like tomorrow will be at least as bad if the BBC weather forecast is to be believed.  They got it right last night. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on November 21, 2012, 18:58:37
As far as I know, apart from the first couple of commuter trains from Plymouth/Exeter up to London (that all got diverted via Bristol), nothing got past Westbury or Bristol to the South/West, due to Flax Bourton and Athelney being closed.  Never seen the SW so cut off.  ALL services to/from London <-->Westcountry are cancelled, including the sleepers.  A shuttle is running EXD-PNZ.  Only the xx:00 Bristol TM services are running each way, with services to London being diverted via Westbury, not calling at Chippenham, Swindon or Didcot and all the xx:30 services cancelled.  All the Cardiffs cancelled in both directions.  Swanseas are being diverted via Gloucester.  

Tomorrow will probably be interesting with sets completely out of place.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 21, 2012, 19:07:54
The line was also closed between Great Malvern and Hereford for most of the day - now reopened.  And also, flooding at Harbury Tunnel between Banbury and Leamington briefly closed the line around lunchtime.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: inspector_blakey on November 21, 2012, 20:01:01
An exceedingly challenging day for staff on the ex-LSWR West of England line (from Waterloo to Exeter via Salisbury and Yeovil) as well:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11586.msg120733#msg120733 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11586.msg120733#msg120733)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 21, 2012, 20:58:45
A picture of the line through East Lyng earlier today:

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Eastlyng.jpg)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 21, 2012, 21:06:09
A picture of the line through East Lyng earlier today:

Had that freight train stopped just short, or was it about to plough through?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: John R on November 21, 2012, 21:08:29
Very difficult day all round, with my journey home from Swindon to Nailsea taking nearly 4 hours. Though full credit to all the onboard crew of the morning and both evening services for the very good humoured and informative way in which they kept people up to date, thanked them for their patience, and generally acted in a very professional manner.    


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 21, 2012, 21:11:20
A picture of the line through East Lyng earlier today:

Didn't know where East Lyng was and came across this interesting quote on Wikipedia

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Transport
The ridge across the Somerset Levels has always been important for transport links. Today it carries the A361 road from Taunton to Street, and the Great Western Railway London Paddington to Penzance main line. The railway originally cut through the ridge just west of East Lyng, and traversed Hitchings Moor, but after years of being blocked by winter floods, the railway was diverted south of the ridge to join the line from Bristol at Cogload Junction.

I'm supposed to be going to Taunton on Saturday night... the weather forecast is "interesting"....  ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 21, 2012, 21:18:56
A picture of the line through East Lyng earlier today:

Had that freight train stopped just short, or was it about to plough through?

I've no idea. I picked up the photo via a Facebook friend. Here's another, this time Williton station on the West Somerset Railway. Fortunately not an operating day for the WSR:

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Williton.jpg)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 21, 2012, 21:30:03
Her Majesty the Queen is coming to Bristol tomorrow, by way of the Royal Train. Or possibly the Royal Bustitution service?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 21, 2012, 21:33:55
And another picture via BBC Somerset 95.5FM on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.405834682820972.93537.158925984178511&type=1), this time of Templecombe Station:

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Templecombe.jpg)

My home town of Taunton has had it pretty bad today. Large parts of the low lying land along the River Tone through the town have flooded, many surrounding villages have been cut off and even major roads have become impassable or only passable with suitable vehicles. This however is not an untypical event and my fellow Tauntonians are fairly used to these floods. On more than one occasion in the past I've been canoeing in French Weir Park where one would normall kick a ball about or walk the dog.

In Goodlands Gardens near the town centre you need a bridge to get to this bridge:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/28032_405956992808741_391369887_n.jpg)
 ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: rogerpatenall on November 22, 2012, 11:56:49
A picture of the line through East Lyng earlier today:

Didn't know where East Lyng was and came across this interesting quote on Wikipedia

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Transport
The ridge across the Somerset Levels has always been important for transport links. Today it carries the A361 road from Taunton to Street, and the Great Western Railway London Paddington to Penzance main line. The railway originally cut through the ridge just west of East Lyng, and traversed Hitchings Moor, but after years of being blocked by winter floods, the railway was diverted south of the ridge to join the line from Bristol at Cogload Junction.

I'm supposed to be going to Taunton on Saturday night... the weather forecast is "interesting"....  ;D


Lyng halt was on the little loop line that ran from Athelney to Durston. Even in the 1950's I never understood the need for that chord. Apart from a couple of stoppers it was used by the Castle Cary to Durston pick up goods. Happy memories!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 22, 2012, 12:10:22
Lyng halt was on the little loop line that ran from Athelney to Durston. Even in the 1950's I never understood the need for that chord.

The line was originally built by the Bristol and Exeter Railway as a part of the main route from Yeovil Hendford to Taunton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeovil_branch). When the Langport and Castle Cary Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langport_and_Castle_Cary_Railway) was built by the GWR in 1905/06 as part of a series of cut offs and new lines to speed up journeys from London to the west, the section through Lyng was reduced to minor branch line status. So it wasn't really a chord, more a line that had become somewhat cut off by subsequent developments. That it held on for another 60 odd years despite minimal traffic is a little surprising.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 22, 2012, 16:48:25
I don't think there is any chance of trains returning to normal for a while yet.  The heavens have just opened again over the far West  :'( >:(

The delay map at the top of the page has no more room on it ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 23, 2012, 00:15:02
A picture, courtesy of @FGW (https://twitter.com/FGW/statuses/271652198063153152?tw_i=271652198063153152&tw_e=media&tw_p=tweetembed) on twitter, of the trackbed (what's left of it!) near Cowley Bridge, Exeter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8UaPCCCIAAUZkc.jpg)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 23, 2012, 05:53:44
Thanks for reposting that BNam - I think a suitable reaction is omg !


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 23, 2012, 06:07:27
Thanks for reposting that BNam - I think a suitable reaction is omg !
Agreed


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on November 23, 2012, 13:48:35
Is this what they call 'light rail'?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 23, 2012, 14:40:28
That's nothing - see this one near Axminster.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3y5_mJB30>


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 23, 2012, 16:36:46
Similar Network Rail footage appears in a video news report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20459210), from the BBC:

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Rail tracks damaged by flooding

Train services in Devon and Cornwall have been disrupted due to flooding.

First Great Western said some services may not run for another two days because 12 sections of track between Devon and Somerset were "impassable".

Network Rail filmed flooding near Broom Level Crossing, in East Devon.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grandsire on November 23, 2012, 18:06:10
Presumably there are civil engineering solutions to these recurring problems - Cowley Bridge is always flooding, this is I think the second landslip near Honiton/Axminster this year and similarly the flooding  on the Bristol Parkway-Swindon route.     If this was the motorways being closed there would be a national outcry, but people somehow accept the railways will close down.  Accept that part of the problem is the 19th century routes which often found it easier to follow rivers, and with Network Rail's debt currently 26 billion or so then there is hardly likely to be lots of cash for big engineering solutions, but nevertheless with both GW and LSW routes currently closed then most of Devon and Cornwall have no rail access to the rest of the UK.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 23, 2012, 19:05:45
In both cases (Exe valley and Axe valley)we are talking of miles of railway.  To take the second first, the railway reaches Axe river level not far south west of Crewkerne and continues at that level to Axminster.  South of Axminster the broad river plain of both the Axe and the Yarty is crossed and that is a natural very wide flood plain.  On the Exe side you have the Culm joining the Exe and again for miles north of Cowley bridge.

We now see (possibly, to placate the deniers) the eventual cost of climate change.  Coming a bit sooner than we thought perhaps.

I don't see an easy way out of this one.  The Axe valley route is the diversion route for teh GW and (I suppose) vice versa.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on November 23, 2012, 21:08:13
Presumably there are civil engineering solutions to these recurring problems - Cowley Bridge is always flooding, this is I think the second landslip near Honiton/Axminster this year and similarly the flooding  on the Bristol Parkway-Swindon route.     If this was the motorways being closed there would be a national outcry, but people somehow accept the railways will close down.  Accept that part of the problem is the 19th century routes which often found it easier to follow rivers, and with Network Rail's debt currently 26 billion or so then there is hardly likely to be lots of cash for big engineering solutions, but nevertheless with both GW and LSW routes currently closed then most of Devon and Cornwall have no rail access to the rest of the UK.

Network rail (or was it Railtrack) did some work to reduce the problem at Chipping Sodbury Tunnel on the Swindon-Bristol parkway route a few years ago. One of the major constraints was that the Environment Agency would not let them discharge at moer than a certain rate into the local river in order to prevent further flooding downstream.  They therefore did what they could.  I suppose the ultimte civil enngineering solution would be to line the cutting on the Swindon side with a reinforced concrete structure to prevent groundwater entering the cutting and to do the same with the tunnel lining (which would then need to be stregnthened significantly).  That would be other expensive and impossible without a lengthy closure of the line.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 24, 2012, 21:58:21
The problems continue - from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Par and Newquay.
Owing to flooding between Par and Newquay all lines are blocked.
Limited replacement road transport is being sourced, however passengers are advised not to travel unless absolutely necessary.

Line problem: between Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids.
Owing to a landslip between Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids all lines are blocked.

Line problem: between Plymouth and Liskeard.
Owing to a landslip between Plymouth and Liskeard all lines are blocked.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: marky7890 on November 24, 2012, 22:00:36
It seems there has now been a landslide at Wivelscombe Tunnel (between St Germans and Saltash), and another at Dawlish. As well as flooding on the Newquay Branch.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 25, 2012, 00:09:33
UPDATE - Due to new severe flooding affecting local roads, and on the request of the Police, South West Trains can no longer operate Buses between Yeovil Junction and Exeter St Davids in both directions on Sunday 25 November 2012. Passengers are advised not to travel in the disrupted area on Sunday 25 November 2012, unless it is in extreme circumstances.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 25, 2012, 12:34:48
Cowley Bridge Junction this morning: https://twitter.com/JonTuckett/status/272638942627651585/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/JonTuckett/status/272638942627651585/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8ibrH-CYAEhYXq.jpg:small)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 25, 2012, 13:33:29
Another view:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8jM_INCUAIykXj.jpg:large)

from https://twitter.com/FGW/status/272693162353512450/photo/1

and:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8jMPefCAAERdFZ.jpg:large)

from https://twitter.com/FGW/status/272692343700848640/photo/1

All in all, a bit of a mess!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2012, 13:54:50
From ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/west/update/2012-11-25/landslide-causes-delay-on-trains/):

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Landslide causes delay on trains
 
There are reports of delays on the First Great Western service between Bristol Temple Meads and Weston-super-Mare because of a landslide.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2012, 14:22:44
A video news report, from This is Exeter (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/VIDEO-Damage-caused-floods-Exeter/story-17418892-detail/story.html):

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VIDEO: Damage caused by floods in and around Exeter

This stunning video shows the damage across Exeter caused by last nights flooding as filmed by an ITV helicopter today.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 25, 2012, 15:04:17
That video shows very well the extent of the flooding of the rail lines at Cowley Bridge Junction. That is going to take a not inconsiderable amount of time to repair I suspect.

With the damage to the WoEML at Honiton and Axminster also likely to take a few days to repair, the far west is probably going to remain cut off by rail until the middle of next week at the earliest.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 25, 2012, 16:31:01
That is a real mess at Cowley Bridge. That will take days to sort out if and when it stops raining.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on November 25, 2012, 16:59:04
At the risk of sounding like a cliched tabloid newspaper, I wonder if there has been such major damage to the rail network in the the south west since WW2?  All the pictures we see seem to involve major infrastructure wash outs and even if the rain stopped now, I would have thought we will have a long wait before 'normality' will be restored simply because there won't be enough teams available to re-instate the network.  I imagine there are staff out in this weather checking those lines not yet closed to ensure everybody's safety: dedication probably not remembered by those only thinking about their disrupted journey.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2012, 18:01:41
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20483459):

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Woman in tent killed in Exeter tree fall as floods hit county

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64366000/jpg/_64366329_64366328.jpg)
Police said the woman was in a sleeping bag when the tree fell

A woman in a tent has been killed by a falling tree as heavy rain swept across Devon.

The large spruce came down late on Saturday night in Western Way, Exeter, trapping the 21-year-old woman and injuring two other people.

Devon and Cornwall Police said it was thought she could have been homeless.

The force said that across the two counties 250 homes had been flooded, including 30 properties in the village of Kennford, near Exeter.

Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service said it had dealt with more than 500 flooding incidents during Saturday and on Sunday morning, and more than 1,200 in the past five days.

The Met Office has said further heavy rain is expected throughout Sunday across the region.

Insp Andy Oliver said about the woman who died: "All we know is that she was in a sleeping bag in a tent underneath the tree when it came down."

Insp Gareth Twigg said there were a number of rough sleepers staying in tents around the city. He added that there was a patch of grass under the tree where the woman could have been camping.

Emergency services managed to free her following the tree fall at about 23:50 GMT. The woman died later in hospital. Two men, who are aged 27 and 35, were also in the tent and were injured in the fall.

A police spokesman said: "This is a tragic incident and our thoughts are with the deceased's family and friends."

In Exmouth, roads in and out of the town were closed and rail services were disrupted.

Firefighters were called to Kennford as some people decided to leave their homes when the River Kenn burst its banks. Some residents had prepared for the worst by moving items upstairs. But many said levels rose very quickly and water was up to waist height in the street by Saturday evening.

Les Seaton, who lives in the village, said: "The water came up so quick we couldn't do anything, we just had to let it come in the front and back door."

In Plymouth, there was flooding in Colebrook and Gdynia Way.

The rain has also had an impact on rail services, with buses replacing Cross Country services between Exeter and Bristol. Diversions are in place between Exeter and Yeovil.

Dan Paines, from First Great Western, warned passengers who were intending to travel from the South West to London on Sunday or Monday morning not to try.

Mr Paines said he expected the line between Tiverton and Exeter to remain closed until early in the week.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64368000/jpg/_64368203_64368202.jpg)
Passengers at Plymouth railway station are being warned of the travel disruption caused by the heavy rain


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 25, 2012, 18:41:40
Gather there is now a problem on the Golden Valley line because a train on one engine can't get up a bank.   

I managed to get to Taunton from Swindon yesterday and back today without too much incident.  The train slowed several times on the down journey but was only 10 minutes late at Taunton.   Coming back in daylight it is clear to see the effect the rain has had on the land surrounding the railway but again we were only 10 minutes later into Bristol Temple Meads for the change to Swindon.

One thing I did notice while at my meeting.  The venue is adjacent to the railway between Cogload and Taunton Station and I saw an awful lot of HSTs in reverse formation.  Once everything is sorted it is going to be fun getting those units all turned round.  (Yes it was a fascinating meeting - and I do the minutes!!   ;D ;D)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2012, 19:20:31
You would appear to have been rather lucky, then, bobm.  ;)

From First Great Western JourneyCheck this evening:

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Line problem: between Bristol Temple Meads and Nailsea & Backwell.
Owing to a landslip between Bristol Temple Meads and Nailsea & Backwell Taunton Bound lines are blocked.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 25, 2012, 19:32:59
Very much so. Just seen that.  I must say I was impressed with the platform staff at Bristol Temple Meads who were doing a sterling job keeping passengers informed - both on a one to one basis and manual annoucements.  Even before the latest landslip the two trains after mine from BRI to London were cancelled due to late running inbound services.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Worle Wonder on November 25, 2012, 19:40:32
FGW site is suggesting (19:19 Sun 25th) that there has been a land slip on the Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads line.

Anyone have further news on this?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2012, 19:42:16
Yes - here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11587.msg120961#msg120961  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 25, 2012, 20:02:03
That is a real mess at Cowley Bridge. That will take days to sort out if and when it stops raining.

Yes, the combination of fast flowing water, ballast and sensitive point equipment don't sit well together!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 25, 2012, 20:51:08
Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow. Supposed to be heading down to Taunton from Bristol. Have just seen that the down line is once again closed at Flax Bourton due to another bank slip and fallen tree.

At least now there appears to be an alternative route as far as Taunton/Tiverton as the line through Athelney has reopened. Trains through here though are being talked through each signal so journey times are going to continue to be greatly increased between Castle Cary and Taunton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on November 25, 2012, 20:51:30

If anyone reading this is out on site sorting this mess out in the coming days -  stay safe, try and stay warm and thanks for your hard work.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 25, 2012, 21:06:55
I honestly can't believe people are still traveling and blaming the train operating company's on twitter and Facebook


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 25, 2012, 21:37:48
The same people would be complaining if they ran trains and something went wrong. Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 25, 2012, 21:41:58
Yet another job on a list that must be very long by now.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on November 25, 2012, 22:01:38
I honestly can't believe people are still traveling and blaming the train operating company's on twitter and Facebook

Neither can I.  It is not like there hasn't been an expectation of travel difficulties for a few days now.  My experience of the journeys I have taken in the last couple of days (Bath-London, Cardiff-London, cardiff-Bath) was pretty good under the circumstances and infinately preferable to driving in these conditions.  The views of the surrounding countryside underwater have been rather shocking though.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on November 25, 2012, 22:34:22
The lack of imagination from those who complain about trains not running in these conditions is unbelievable.  One wonders whether they are the kind of driver that drives into flooding and needs to be rescued by the people who warned them not to.

After today, it must now be easier for FGW to list the services that are running than those that aren't.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on November 26, 2012, 04:18:20
I'm also surprised at the complete callous attitudes of the posters on Facebook and Twitter. Having seen the pictures and been to a flooded location myself. It is abundently clear that in some of the locations you cannot run trains as the tracks have been completely submerged or the trackbed has been washed away!

It's a shame that FGW cannot say: "Would you drive a car through that on a road?!?!" I know what most people would say... ::) :-X :-\

I guess it comes down to two things:

Destruction vs. Construction: The former taking anything from seconds to minutes. The latter taking Days, Weeks, Months or even Years!

Also the Legacy Brunel Great Western Railway. I guess that since then there has been a change in the weather condtions (Whether through Global Warming or Atmospheric Conditions etc) That where the tracks were run alongside rivers, seas or canals etc. The was never the need to plan then for the flooding we see today probably because it didn't happen so much in GWR days? the GMWL is very much built along the same or similar GWR routes. I recall watching a documentary about the difficulties that IKB faced when running tracks into Cornwall. They chose the riskest (and quickest or easiest) option of the Dawlish Sea Wall. Good move then maybe, Not so much now. Alot has changed in the terms of weather and also the needs of passengers, expectations and probably tolerance/attitude since the days of GWR so maybe the comments (although I am not condoning them) are sadly to be expected in the 21st Centuary? ::) :-\ :-X

Also It's interesting though how one of my local bus routes (267) run by two seperate companies despite going through several "hotspots" for flooding (Midford being a prime example right at the bottom of a valley with a river) has been running in my experience very punctually and with minimal (and mostly the usual) delays. So is it perhaps partly down to the passenger for not checking (and I say this in terms of shorter journeys) whether other modes of transport are less affected or in my case above, running to full timetable as usual??


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 26, 2012, 08:11:28
Also the Legacy Brunel Great Western Railway. I guess that since then there has been a change in the weather condtions (Whether through Global Warming or Atmospheric Conditions etc) That where the tracks were run alongside rivers, seas or canals etc. The was never the need to plan then for the flooding we see today probably because it didn't happen so much in GWR days? the GMWL is very much built along the same or similar GWR routes. I recall watching a documentary about the difficulties that IKB faced when running tracks into Cornwall. They chose the riskest (and quickest or easiest) option of the Dawlish Sea Wall. Good move then maybe, Not so much now. Alot has changed in the terms of weather and also the needs of passengers, expectations and probably tolerance/attitude since the days of GWR so maybe the comments (although I am not condoning them) are sadly to be expected in the 21st Centuary? ::) :-\ :-X

I suspect that we have to say a big thank you to river transport. Before the London - Bristol line was built there was a lot of commercial traffic on the Thames and on the Bristol Avon. The bridges over these have some serious clearance, which means that the rest of the line here is up on embankments out of the reach of any floods.

But ... I can't imagine there was any such traffic above Exeter, which means that the line is much lower and so that much more vulnerable.

Doesn't explain what happens on Oxford - Worcester though. No commercial river traffic at the Oxford end, but the line is well out of the floods. Where it does flood is higher up, between Kingham and Moreton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 26, 2012, 08:16:31
Meanwhile, I came back from London to Worcester on the 17:42 last night (Sun Nov 25). We set off 22 late on account of the driver being on a late-running inbound service (and a "fault on the front power car"). But we then lost time all the way, so perhaps we only had the back one working. Ended up 50 late into Foregate St.

But it's on the monitors at Foregate St as "delayed due to flooding".

Can anyone enlighten me?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 26, 2012, 08:34:46
They might be blaming unrelated delays on the flooding, or it might be indirectly true.
Driver late because the drivers inward journey whether by a preceeding train, or by road from home, was delayed by flooding.

Power car drowned by floodwater, or possibly out of fuel, floods having prevented or delayed a trip to the fueling point.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 26, 2012, 09:39:47
The quality of news service on usual media is appalling and this may explain travellers ignorance of conditions.

The West  is completely cut off by rail.  Substitute buses are experiencing problems, such as the A358 being blocked between Axminster and Chard and also between Exeter and Crediton. The flooding at both Cowley and Broom is devastating and the gabions placed at the latter location (40 tons each !!) have been washed away.

I do not see that these issues will be resolved within days or even weeks as safety checks will be needed even after the waters have receded and the 'repairs' (more like a new railway) have been effected.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 26, 2012, 09:52:52
Attached below is FGWs train plan for today Monday 26th November 2012.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on November 26, 2012, 10:15:28
One news item I read to a few days ago referred to similar floods in Devon during the 19th and 20th centuries, and a bit of Googling found this chronology:

http://www.middevon.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=11672&p=0

Autumn of 1960 seems to have been fairly bad - but is no longer in the collective memory I suppose.  It's too easy to attempt to hang all this on 'climate change', but how long back should comparisons be made?   NR probably have records of all this happening before somewhere, it ought not to have been a surprise to Brunel's people either...

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 26, 2012, 10:25:41
Attached below is FGWs train plan for today Monday 26th November 2012.

Interesting reading...and that's only half the story.  There must be an equivalent plan to cover services from Exeter down to Penzance picking up the paths left by trains unable to get past Tiverton Parkway.  I wonder how many HSTs they have trapped west of Tiverton to run the service.  Laira could be either very busy or very empty!

While it is easy to criticise when sitting in the comfort of a chair in front of a PC, there are some problems with the Journeycheck pages which could catch the occasional traveller.  Take for instance the 07:30 from Paddington to Penzance this morning.  There is no mention on Journeycheck that it is being stopped at Tiverton Parkway and if you go into the individual details for that train it shows it as running all the way through to Penzance.  I suspect this may be in part a weakness of the system as I assume as in past days another train will pick up the journey at Exeter St Davids - but it won't be a through service.  Agreed most of us on here looking at the headline and seeing Exeter to Tiverton Parkway being reported as blocked would know that - but the proverbial granny won't necessarily.

All of that said having had two fairly trouble free journeys over the weekend through part of the area affected I have no complaint about the service I got and all staff without exception were cheery and helpful.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: CLPGMS on November 26, 2012, 12:17:41
Quote
Doesn't explain what happens on Oxford - Worcester though. No commercial river traffic at the Oxford end, but the line is well out of the floods. Where it does flood is higher up, between Kingham and Moreton.

The main problem between Oxford and Worcester is in the Evenlode Valley.  In the July 2007 floods, the most serious track wash-outs were between Kingham and Moreton-in-Marsh.  The River Evenlode rises in the Moreton-in-Marsh area and the line closely follows the river, largely on a low embankment.  Moreton-in-Marsh station is prone to flooding, as happened yesterday morning, but this time, it was not serious and trains started to operate again after a few hours.  In 2007, larger diameter pipes were installed beneath the track at Evenlode and the bank was strengthened with concrete at Adlestrop.

Less serious problems occurred in 2007 between Moreton-in-Marsh and Worcester, but these were mainly short sections of ballast being washed away on Campden bank and near Evesham.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 26, 2012, 19:45:21
FGW have now suspended new seat reservations which also means no new Advance Purchase tickets.  Not sure how far ahead this goes - I have tried some sample journeys and it seems to be until next Tuesday (4th Dec),  Not sure if that is an indication of how long they expect it to take to restore normal services.

From FGW Website (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/disruption)

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To help minimise inconvenience to customers, we have relaxed restrictions on Advance Purchase and Off-Peak tickets, and suspended new seat reservations.   



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The Grecian on November 26, 2012, 20:19:06
Well Exeter's about to be reconnected in one direction:

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/alerts.aspx

Wonder if they've got enough units to run 9 car services? I suspect Great Western passengers may want to make use. I know that barely any platforms can accomodate more than 6, but SDO means it shouldn't be a problem. I've been on a 9 car late night service going back to Salisbury where only the front 3 were in passenger use, so I assume there's no infrastructure problems running them.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Jonty on November 26, 2012, 20:48:05
In 2007 there was serious flooding in the Osney and Abingdon road area in Oxford which led to the whole railway around the Redbridge being submerged and impassable for a few days.

Happened a couple of years prior to that as well.

Since then they have carried out some substantial dredging and clearance of lots of the little water channels around there, that seems to solved the problems...


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: animationmilo on November 26, 2012, 20:53:40
Does anyone know the 43 numbers of the train that failed near Kemble?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 26, 2012, 21:41:10
Fllodwaters have entirely receded from Cowley Bridge Junction and Network Rail are busy repairing the damage. The following link has pictures that show they are progressing well.

 http://railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/262233/PL

Top work fellas!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 26, 2012, 21:59:13
In 2007 there was serious flooding in the Osney and Abingdon road area in Oxford which led to the whole railway around the Redbridge being submerged and impassable for a few days.

Happened a couple of years prior to that as well.

Since then they have carried out some substantial dredging and clearance of lots of the little water channels around there, that seems to solved the problems...

I assume that is near Hinksey yard. That always used to be a favourite spot didn't it?  Hadn't realised they had done some work there.  Remember going through Hinksey on a train at snails pace in the late 90s and wondering if I'd get back but when I did all the water had gone!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 26, 2012, 23:42:28
Just south of Hinksey yard, between the A423 'Ring Road' and Kennington Junction is where the trouble is usually located.  A combination of some good flood defence clearing and some good luck has meant that since 2007 that area hasn't caused the line to be closed.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 02:22:40
The header statement on FGWs website currently says the following:

Quote
Due to heavy rainfall since last Wednesday there is localised flooding on parts of our network. We are working with Network Rail to make sure we run as many trains as possible and they are working hard to re-open routes where it is safe to do so. While we have been able to run more than 95 per cent of our services many services are subject to short notice alteration.

Whilst they are doing a sterling job in difficult circumstances that 95% is a little disingenuous referring only, I assume, to the 53 totally cancelled (up to 2100 26/11) services against an amended emergency timetable. FGW's hourly PPM (industry standard Punctuality and Performance Measure - a combination of delays and cancellations) for yesterday, 26th November, was around 68% - 77% throughout the day.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 05:13:45
Network Rail are estimating that the line through Chipping Sodbury, between Bristol Parkway and Swindon, will reopen around 1000 this morning.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 05:27:54
In 2007 there was serious flooding in the Osney and Abingdon road area in Oxford which led to the whole railway around the Redbridge being submerged and impassable for a few days.

Happened a couple of years prior to that as well.

Since then they have carried out some substantial dredging and clearance of lots of the little water channels around there, that seems to solved the problems...

I assume that is near Hinksey yard. That always used to be a favourite spot didn't it?  Hadn't realised they had done some work there.  Remember going through Hinksey on a train at snails pace in the late 90s and wondering if I'd get back but when I did all the water had gone!

Hinksey Yard was closed overnight due to...... guess what?

Flooding. Not the yard itself but the access road.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on November 27, 2012, 06:26:38
First Exeter to Paddington train in a while ...

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08:55 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington due 11:40
An additional train service has been planned to operate as shown 27/11/12 08:55 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington due 11:40.
This is due to flooding.

Calling at Castle Cary, Westbury, Pewsey, Reading and Paddington.

May explain why SWT are only able to run every 2 hours Exeter to Waterloo, with an extra from Yeovil Junction to Waterloo


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: smokey on November 27, 2012, 06:38:18
Well it's been a bit damp lately  ;D

But I do wonder how much of the problem at Cowley Bridge is caused by the fact that when the Barnstaple line at the Junction was realigned back in the late 60's early 70's the course of the river was altered.
Me thinks water will try to find it's original course.

Now whilst there are problems and emergency Timetables I'm NOT impressed that both the 05:43 and the  06:28 Plymouth-Penzance sevices are cancelled, the first two trains of the Day
I'm glad to see FGW and XC are looking after their Bread & Butter Season Ticket holders! NOT
 
Surely a unit from Plymouth could have run in the path of the Down Sleeper!!!!
And is there any other Daily travellers at rush hour who have to put up with a DIFFERENT service on Monday Mornings to the Rest of the week Tues to Friday?
I sure can't see there being many Regulars on the 06:28 Plymouth-Penzance due 08:19 or 08:59 depending on the DAY of the week!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 07:20:08
The 0520 from Bristol to Paddington took an interesting route today, travelling through Trowbridge twice! As far as Westbury as per timetable then reverse and non stop to Reading via Melksham.

Knock on effect is to have delayed the Gloucester - Southampton service calling at Melksham. That one was left waiting at Chippenham for the single line to clear.

This one though wasn't flood related but due to over running engineering works in the Bedwyn area.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 07:57:33
Up line between Taunton and Castle Cary has just reopened. 0819 Taunton-London Paddington is the first service to use the line. 5mph ESR through the area that was flooded.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 08:26:21
The flooding in the Hinksey Yard area between Radley and Oxford is now affecting the running lines. 5mph ESR on the up line but still line speed on the down at the moment.

Services to/from Oxford are starting to be cancelled....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2012, 08:27:21
Knock on effect is to have delayed the Gloucester - Southampton service calling at Melksham. That one was left waiting at Chippenham for the single line to clear.

Which then had another knock on effect according to SW Trains Journeycheck

Quote
07:50 Salisbury to Romsey due 09:03
This train has been delayed at Salisbury and is now 10 minutes late.
This is due to congestion caused by earlier delays.

Additional Information:
This train has been delayed following a late running First Great Western service.
 
Message Received :27/11/2012 08:10


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on November 27, 2012, 09:26:42
From what I can see 1C92 Golden Hind 1803-PAD-PZ will call PAD-RDG-EXD (via Yeovil) and then as booked to PZ an hour later than originally timed.  I don't know if a Pullman will be on it though.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2012, 09:38:53
Might depend if the 10:00 PNZ to PAD and the 12:55 PLY-PAD run through as they usually bring the crews and equipment up.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ray951 on November 27, 2012, 09:41:44
The flooding in the Hinksey Yard area between Radley and Oxford is now affecting the running lines. 5mph ESR on the up line but still line speed on the down at the moment.

Services to/from Oxford are starting to be cancelled....

I have just been though there and we certainly weren't at line speed on the down, although that may of course been because of congestion:-)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2012, 11:06:07
The first of many such stories I expect...  :o

From the  Swindon Advertiser. (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10071825.Swindon_mum_trapped_for_seven_hours_on_FGW_train/)

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Swindon mum trapped for seven hours on FGW train

A MUM-of-two has spoken of her ^journey from hell^ after she was trapped on a non-moving train for almost seven hours, as the horrendous weather struck services.
 
When Hannah Strange, of Haydon End, jumped on a train at Gloucester at 4.20pm yesterday, she expected to be home in Swindon within an hour.
 
Instead, a chain of events ^ including a broken-down train on the line near Kemble ^ meant that she didn^t reach the town until past 11pm.
 
The 27-year-old said the service was already running nine minutes late when she boarded, but things were about to get much worse ^ as both the 1321 and 1421 Swansea to Paddington services were severely hit.
 
She said: ^Somewhere between Gloucester and Stonehouse there was a weather warning on the line which meant we stopped for around an hour.
 
^This annoyed me as I was meeting a friend and I had things to sort out for my children^s day at school the next day, but I told myself ^it^s only an hour^.
 
^When we finally got moving, the train was absolutely crawling along and then we stopped again, because the train in front had broken down on the tracks.
 
^After another two hour wait, First Great Western decided to couple the two trains together and push the other train along.^
 
The full-time student described her journey as a ^very frightening experience^, adding: ^It was the journey from hell ^ the train was moving slowly but jolting fiercely all the time, and when we turned corners the train leant heavily to one side.
 
^The atmosphere in the carriage was very edgy and there were people on board who obviously suffered from panic attacks, they were just desperate to get off the train.
 
^At Kemble station we were delayed once more while they got the train off the tracks ^ it was madness, we could see the station but we weren^t allowed to get off the train because we weren^t near the platform.
 
^One guy could actually see his house from the train and we were just stuck there for another two or three hours, it was crazy.
 
^I missed my bus home and had to get a taxi ^ I will be applying for a refund, but I just wish I could get that wasted time back.^
 
A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^We are extremely sorry for the unacceptable delay faced by passengers on the 1321 and 1421 Swansea to Paddington services yesterday.
 
^As well as offering a full refund to all customers on board those trains, we will be giving them a free First Class ticket for anywhere on our network by way of an apology.
 
^The delays we're initially caused by a series of flood-related signal problems compounded by a train fault.
 
^The flooding situation meant we couldn^t get the trains moving as quickly as we should have.^
 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2012, 13:58:03
FGW now reporting a landslip at Teignmouth is affecting services.

Quote
Owing to a landslip between Dawlish and Newton Abbot Exeter Bound lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 60 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
Customer Advice:
Problem
There has been a landslip at Teignmouth
Problem
At this time it is unknown what trains can run in the area
Advice
Passengers are advised that a limited service is being sourced which will incur some delays. Passengers are advised that coaches are now running to cover stations between Exeter St David's and Newton Abbot
National Rail Enquiries - 0845 7 484950 (24 hours)
 Message Received :27/11/2012 13:51

Meanwhile The BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20506919) are quoting Network Rail as saying repairs at Cowley Bridge could take 10 to 14 days.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 27, 2012, 14:04:15
I've just seen an interview on ITV (W) where the engineer - at the Cowley site -says Thursday!!

In this case a reporter has finally struggled down there to make a report.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 27, 2012, 14:42:43
From what I can see 1C92 Golden Hind 1803-PAD-PZ will call PAD-RDG-EXD (via Yeovil) and then as booked to PZ an hour later than originally timed.  I don't know if a Pullman will be on it though.

I rather doubt it :(
The first reaction of FGW to even minor disruption is to withdraw Pullmans, so I cant imagine dining being provided during the present disruption.
Maybe next week ?
Anyone know for certain ?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: old original on November 27, 2012, 15:04:31
I think the two estimated repair times at Cowley Bridge are down to the track being done in a few days enabling trains to run, but the repairs to all the signalling which will allow normal running, will take longer.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2012, 15:37:56
The flooding in the Hinksey Yard area between Radley and Oxford is now affecting the running lines. 5mph ESR on the up line but still line speed on the down at the moment.

Services to/from Oxford are starting to be cancelled....

I had a few hours spare today so managed to get down to Hinksey to show what the flooding is like there.  Here's some pictures of the railway lines, where ESR's are in place but trains are just able to run.  The NR guys seem particularly concerned with the spot where water is bubbling up quite badly (see the picture where they are watching carefully!).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8198/8223400875_89d0de57ca_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8343/8223407579_2be38a148b_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8346/8224483950_8e5b2068ca_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8343/8224481186_280b675190_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8484/8224485048_b73b004fa2_c.jpg)
That's the access road to Hinksey Yard!

Here's a few pictures of the River Thames and the Abindgdon Road (which is currently closed).  Levels of flooding seem to be slightly worse than they were in 2007, but work on drainage by the railway lines means that it has to get worse than it used to for the trains to be stopped - not much worse than it currently is though, so fingers crossed!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8224478894_0ce65aea29_c.jpg)
A brave cyclist!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8343/8223402239_8bc6598cb1_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8224480138_1ed91043c7_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8224475136_4e3af5d717_b.jpg)
The boat is moored by what should be the edge of the river!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on November 27, 2012, 15:42:47
from NRE:

"The line between Tiverton Parkway and Exeter St Davids is expected to reopen tomorrow, but this is still to be confirmed"

That is impressively quick work guys!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 27, 2012, 16:05:14
If the line between Tiverton and Exeter does reopen as is hoped for tommorow, will that permit of through services between Paddington and Penzance ? or are there there other closures furthur west ?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 27, 2012, 17:26:48
Here's a link to a Cowley bridge video report that is very well produced (in contrast to some comments I made earlier).

http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2012-11-27/engineers-working-solidly-to-repair-rail-network/?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2012, 18:42:02
From what I can see 1C92 Golden Hind 1803-PAD-PZ will call PAD-RDG-EXD (via Yeovil) and then as booked to PZ an hour later than originally timed.  I don't know if a Pullman will be on it though.

From Journeycheck
Quote
18:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 00:17 This train will call additionally at Westbury and Castle Cary.
This train will no longer call at Yeovil Junction.
This is due to flooding. Message Received :27/11/2012 18:27

So which way is it going I wonder?  The timings show it right time throughout.

Quote
18:03 18:03 London Paddington 
18:33 18:33 Reading 
 19:15 Westbury 
 19:29 Castle Cary 
19:49 Not Stopping Yeovil Junction 
21:19 21:19 Exeter St Davids 
21:39 21:39 Newton Abbot 
21:52 21:52 Totnes 
22:23 22:23 Plymouth 
22:48 22:48 Liskeard 
23:02 23:02 Bodmin Parkway 
23:14 23:14 Par 
23:22 23:22 St Austell 
23:40 23:40 Truro 
23:52 23:52 Redruth 
00:17 00:17 Penzance 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 19:49:42
I plumped for one of the rail replacement coaches (RRC), operating on behalf of CrossCountry, from Bristol to Taunton earlier today.

Coming in off the branch I just missed a XC HST that was running to Taunton before reversal, so I made my way through the underpass and quickly popped up the stairs to P3. The Customer Information office was closed but there were plenty of FGW staff around the gateline. I'd only purchased a ticket from Shirehampton to Bristol TM just in case things changed - besides, for an Off Peak Day Single the split is slightly cheaper. I headed back down the stairs turned left into the undercroft to see a queue already waiting for an XC coach. I popped to the front to ask the RRC coordinator how long before the next coach. He replied that one was due any minute. I said that I'd just come off the branch and hadn't yet got my ticket to Taunton as I wanted to check the situation before deciding to travel further. His reply was, "Don't worry Sir, just hop onboard, have this one on CrossCountry!"

Thanks CrossCountry.  :D

As it turned out the coach driver decided on the A370 through Flax Bourton, Backwell and Congresbury before joining the M5 at J21. Because of this my journey took just as long as the FGW stopper to Taunton that left Bristol around the same time as the coach.

I have to say though that FGW should have a member of staff in the main subway. Signs pointing to RRCs are all well and good, but they don't give any further information or reassurance. It was left to passengers in the queue for the coach to inform the unsure that they were in the right place for a coach to Taunton, Tiverton or Exeter. Perhaps FGW thought that because the coaches were operating on behalf of XC it was their responsibility. The only member of XC staff there was the coach coordinator.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 27, 2012, 20:08:52
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20508658):

Quote
Somerset and Devon trains disrupted 'for up to a week'

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64404000/jpg/_64404834_64401174.jpg)
Cables, points, signals and trackside equipment which had been under water have to be inspected and repaired if necessary

Trains between Somerset and Devon are likely to be disrupted for up to a week after signalling equipment was damaged by flood water.

Network Rail said the line could be handed back on Wednesday, but trackside cabinets were affected and need to be inspected for damage.

There will be two trains per hour each way between Tiverton Parkway and Exeter St Davids stations. Replacement bus services are in operation for other services.

Rail operator First Great Western said customers are advised not to travel unless absolutely necessary on the route because of the limited capacity.

"There's going to be further disruption, I'm afraid," a Network Rail spokesman said. "Our staff have been working overnight.... to recover the railway. The line is still closed between Exeter and Taunton due to the flooding [from] what appears to be a severe washout of ballast at Cowley Bridge junction near Exeter."

He added cables, points, signals and trackside equipment had been under water and would have to be inspected and repaired if necessary.

Buses are also running between Exeter St Davids and Axminster and trains are unable to call at Pinhoe, Whimple and Feniton stations.

"Services between London Paddington and Tiverton Parkway are running and buses are replacing train services between Tiverton Parkway and Exeter, adding at least an hour to your overall journey time," a First Great Western spokesman said.

CrossCountry Trains said buses will replace trains between Exeter and Bristol.

Additionally there will be a limited rail service between Taunton and Bristol.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 20:43:07
If the line between Tiverton and Exeter does reopen as is hoped for tommorow, will that permit of through services between Paddington and Penzance ? or are there there other closures furthur west ?

No closure of the main line but there are various speed restrictions between Exeter and Paignton/Plymouth. There has also been a landslip at Teignmouth and single line running is in operation meaning some cancellations and the use of rail replacement buses. This is ongoing as of 2030.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on November 27, 2012, 20:47:21
From what I can see 1C92 Golden Hind 1803-PAD-PZ will call PAD-RDG-EXD (via Yeovil) and then as booked to PZ an hour later than originally timed.  I don't know if a Pullman will be on it though.

From Journeycheck
Quote
18:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 00:17 This train will call additionally at Westbury and Castle Cary.
This train will no longer call at Yeovil Junction.
This is due to flooding. Message Received :27/11/2012 18:27

So which way is it going I wonder?  The timings show it right time throughout.

Quote
18:03 18:03 London Paddington 
18:33 18:33 Reading 
 19:15 Westbury 
 19:29 Castle Cary 
19:49 Not Stopping Yeovil Junction 
21:19 21:19 Exeter St Davids 
21:39 21:39 Newton Abbot 
21:52 21:52 Totnes 
22:23 22:23 Plymouth 
22:48 22:48 Liskeard 
23:02 23:02 Bodmin Parkway 
23:14 23:14 Par 
23:22 23:22 St Austell 
23:40 23:40 Truro 
23:52 23:52 Redruth 
00:17 00:17 Penzance 
Via Yeovil Jn but not calling.   Retimed by hour to allow for diversion thus Right Time.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 27, 2012, 22:08:06
2500 tonnes of rubble replaced, and the track relevelled. That is an amazingly fast bit of engineering!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Kernow Otter on November 27, 2012, 23:41:30
And Logistics.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2012, 23:44:16
Some major shoring up and making good is going to be needed here as well:

https://mobile.twitter.com/networkrail/status/273436437687439360/photo/1

Those pegs are obviously pretty tough though. The signal lamp is still illuminated!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Kernow Otter on November 27, 2012, 23:53:45

Now whilst there are problems and emergency Timetables I'm NOT impressed that both the 05:43 and the  06:28 Plymouth-Penzance sevices are cancelled, the first two trains of the Day
I'm glad to see FGW and XC are looking after their Bread & Butter Season Ticket holders! NOT
 
Surely a unit from Plymouth could have run in the path of the Down Sleeper!!!!
And is there any other Daily travellers at rush hour who have to put up with a DIFFERENT service on Monday Mornings to the Rest of the week Tues to Friday?
I sure can't see there being many Regulars on the 06:28 Plymouth-Penzance due 08:19 or 08:59 depending on the DAY of the week!

Both the down and up sleeper services are very useful trains in Cornwall, especially the down which has a regular band of commuters, a significant number travelling to work at Treliske Hospital, Truro.

If there is no stock in the right place to cover these routes, is there any reason why the seating carriages alone from the set that must be trapped down here can't be run with the 57xxx, PNZ to EXD return as per timetable ?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on November 28, 2012, 06:56:26
The 0520 from Bristol to Paddington took an interesting route today, travelling through Trowbridge twice! As far as Westbury as per timetable then reverse and non stop to Reading via Melksham.

Knock on effect is to have delayed the Gloucester - Southampton service calling at Melksham. That one was left waiting at Chippenham for the single line to clear.

This one though wasn't flood related but due to over running engineering works in the Bedwyn area.

According to people waiting to get on that train at Melksham, the 06:38 Southampton train got diverted via Bath ... never mind, there's another southbound train at 19:11  :-\


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: old original on November 28, 2012, 07:11:42

Now whilst there are problems and emergency Timetables I'm NOT impressed that both the 05:43 and the  06:28 Plymouth-Penzance sevices are cancelled, the first two trains of the Day
I'm glad to see FGW and XC are looking after their Bread & Butter Season Ticket holders! NOT
 
Surely a unit from Plymouth could have run in the path of the Down Sleeper!!!!
And is there any other Daily travellers at rush hour who have to put up with a DIFFERENT service on Monday Mornings to the Rest of the week Tues to Friday?
I sure can't see there being many Regulars on the 06:28 Plymouth-Penzance due 08:19 or 08:59 depending on the DAY of the week!

Both the down and up sleeper services are very useful trains in Cornwall, especially the down which has a regular band of commuters, a significant number travelling to work at Treliske Hospital, Truro.

If there is no stock in the right place to cover these routes, is there any reason why the seating carriages alone from the set that must be trapped down here can't be run with the 57xxx, PNZ to EXD return as per timetable ?
It has to be noted that AFAIK, CrossCountry haven't attempted to run anything in Cornwall since last week, probably a staffing issue?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 28, 2012, 08:52:02
They have the staff - I was sat next to one on a rail replacement coach yesterday. She was heading back to her depot in Plymouth after worked a service from Sheffield to Bristol.

She told me the problem is CrossCountry don't have the rolling stock in the west. Following the flooding that cut Devon and Cornwall off they only had three voyagers trapped. One of which was out of service due to battery problems that couldn't be resolved without returning to the Voyager Home Depot at Central Rivers.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 28, 2012, 08:55:59
FGW have just updated Journeycheck to say the disruption at Cowley Bridge is expected until "02:00 on the 8th Dec".


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 28, 2012, 09:09:48
A new landslip has occurred between Bristol Parkway and Westerleigh Junction.

This is affecting the down line and is causing delays, cancellations and diversions.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: old original on November 28, 2012, 09:35:44
They have the staff - I was sat next to one on a rail replacement coach yesterday. She was heading back to her depot in Plymouth after worked a service from Sheffield to Bristol.

She told me the problem is CrossCountry don't have the rolling stock in the west. Following the flooding that cut Devon and Cornwall off they only had three voyagers trapped. One of which was out of service due to battery problems that couldn't be resolved without returning to the Voyager Home Depot at Central Rivers.

Strange, I know that all three of the ones that started at Penzance that morning were trapped but I would have thought there would be at least one more from a Plymouth starter


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grandsire on November 28, 2012, 12:52:27
FGW have just updated Journeycheck to say the disruption at Cowley Bridge is expected until "02:00 on the 8th Dec".
I agree - it does say 8 December.  If that is correct its a huge turn round from yesterday when lines were expected to open today.  Add in the disruption at Teignmouth  and still only a two hourly service on the Honiton-Yeovil line.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 28, 2012, 13:10:08
I think the Cowley 'opening' (tomorrow I understood) is a different kettle of fish to there not being 'further disruption'.

So I think that's the answer.  Judging by what is happening at Westerleigh, for instance, it would seem quite possible that we will see more landslides even if it does not rain again (pig just flew overhead!).


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: old original on November 28, 2012, 14:55:55
Upto now on FGWs departures each Penzance - Paddington train has been shown twice, Pz - Exeter & Tiv/Tau - Pad, but I see that the 14.00 from Penzance has been timed to run through.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on November 28, 2012, 16:18:23
I agree - it does say 8 December.  If that is correct its a huge turn round from yesterday when lines were expected to open today.  Add in the disruption at Teignmouth  and still only a two hourly service on the Honiton-Yeovil line.

The TV coverage of Cowley bridge seemed clear enough, that the line would probably be reopened without the signalling being repaired.  So emergency hand signalling, plus significant speed restrictions over temporarily repaired foundations and newly dropped ballast, and you couldn't expect the normal timetable to run.

Likewise with the SWT route, the normal hourly timetable with all the intermediate stops will only work if trains are running at full normal linespeed. 

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 28, 2012, 16:42:26
And Logistics.

And logistics, yes. I gather the crew(s) from the work on the Tarka line were redeployed (Thisisdevon said they volunteered) to switch to this job, meaning the Tarka closure beyond Crediton is likely to be a few days longer in time. Plus there will be other consequential knock-ons, but at least we get some of the railway back.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 28, 2012, 16:46:30
My understanding is they are going to run up a couple of units to Barnstaple and then run a 'normal' shuttle from there to Crediton.  There, pax will transfer to a bus to Exeter.  Sound pretty good to me.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 28, 2012, 17:01:54
The list just got bigger.
Quote
LIVE UPDATES: Train delays after landslip

There are delays on trains in the Bristol area after a landslip near Westerleigh. (9am)

The driver of the Gloucester to Swindon service has reported that the embankment was slipping away at Westerleigh Junction.

Network Rail engineers are on site and have confirmed an embankment slip, about 1ft from the end of the sleepers.

The line is currently blocked on one side, affecting services between Swindon and Bristol Parkway and Gloucester and Bristol Parkway.

Staff on site are assessing whether it is safe to pass trains and an earthworks engineer has been called to attend.

Two services are trapped, the Worcester ^ Weymouth service and the Derby ^ Plymouth service.

Network Rail's priority is to get these trains moved.

Cheltenham ^ Bristol services are being diverted via Lydney and Severn Tunnel and Paddington ^ South Wales services via Box. Cardiff services have been suspended.

The line heading towards London remains open.

UPDATE 9.30am

Network Rail is introducing single line working to free the two trapped trains.

Once these are clear of the section at Bristol Parkway the up line will re-open.

Impact on train services:

^ FGW Cardiff services withdrawn, CrossCountry Manchester ^ Bristol services terminating at Birmingham.

^ FGW Swansea services are diverting via Box and CrossCountry Anglo-Scottish services are diverting via Lydney and Severn Tunnel.

^ FGW West local services only are running north to Gloucester via Kemble or Lydney. Road transport is being arranged for intermediate stations.

UPDATE 11.15AM

More information on First Great Western disruption can be found here.

And here are links to the departure board for Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads.

UPDATE 2.30PM

Network Rail says the line out of London is likely to be closed until next Wednesday - more to follow.

UPDATE 2.50PM

Network Rail have provided photographs of the landslip which can be viewed in our photo gallery above.

Rail services between Birmingham and the south west are still being disrupted.

Around 4,000 tonnes of material will be needed to rebuild the embankment near Westerleigh Junction in South Gloucestershire.

The Down line between Swindon and Bristol Parkway is likely to remain closed until Wednesday.

The Up line between Bristol Parkway and Swindon remains open.

Network Rail engineers said earth had moved to within 12 inches of rail sleepers at Westerleigh and had blocked services towards Bristol.

A spokesman said: ^Early estimates are that the down line will remain closed until next Wednesday.

^There is a requirement to build an access road to enable access by large plant for remedial works. The earthworks failure is seven metres high and 20 metres long and we^ll need around 4,000 tonnes of material to rebuild the embankment.^

Engineers will need to cut and lift the down line in the affected area to enable contractors to use a benching process to rebuild the embankment.

Impact on train services:

^ FGW services from London Paddington to Cardiff have been withdrawn.

^ CrossCountry Manchester ^ Bristol services are terminating at Birmingham.

^ FGW Swansea services are diverting via Box

^ CrossCountry Anglo-Scottish services are diverting via Lydney and the Severn Tunnel.

^ FGW West local services only are running north to Gloucester via Kemble or Lydney.

^ Road transport being arranged for intermediate stations.

^ CrossCountry and FGW services using the up line are going ahead as planned.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/LIVE-UPDATES-Train-delays-landslip/story-17447182-detail/story.html has pictures.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: polymath on November 28, 2012, 17:08:19
As regards the Tarka Line, and the unfinished work, the suggestion was for a four day extension, which will  be dependent upon the reinstatement of the damaged track on the branch at Cowley Bridge (assuming the concentration has been on the main line). This will allow the two 66's currently sitting on the branch (one at Portsmouth Arms and one at Eggesford) to access Riverside Yard for a further ballast train, and will also release  a 143 currently (or was until recently) sitting outside Crediton.

Once all this happens then work can resume, and the bus shuttle will revert to Barnstaple to Crediton with passengers transferring to the train.

All this depends on the ability to run over the repaired branch at Cowley Bridge.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on November 28, 2012, 17:13:04
143618 ran ECS Crediton-Exeter this afternoon, presumably having been trapped there since Wednesday.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: polymath on November 28, 2012, 17:47:51
Thanks for the update - now things can get moving!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 28, 2012, 19:49:06
From FGW Journeycheck

Quote
Line problem: between Exeter St D... Following flooding between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway all lines have now reopened.

Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 mins or revised at short notice. Disruption is expected until 02:00 03/12.

Customer Advice:
The railway line has reopened between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway. Services will however run at a reduced speed between these two points.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Ollie on November 28, 2012, 21:11:28
To clarify situation between Exeter and Tiverton.

Whilst the track has been repaired the signalling hasn't. So delays through this area will continue for a couple of weeks whilst Network Rail work on this.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 28, 2012, 21:14:22
I assume "delays" includes a thinning out of the service so some trains won't run through and be stopped short.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on November 28, 2012, 23:12:45
I assume "delays" includes a thinning out of the service so some trains won't run through and be stopped short.

that is my understanding. Some XC services tomorrow are not planning to getting beyond Brum because of other problems. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on November 29, 2012, 00:13:10
I assume "delays" includes a thinning out of the service so some trains won't run through and be stopped short.

Correct... 1C94 terminated at Taunton (instead of Exeter), although 1C95 ran through.

Unfortunately both lines are now closed between Exeter & Newton Abbot due to a landslide in Parsons Tunnel.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: woody on November 29, 2012, 01:13:32
I assume "delays" includes a thinning out of the service so some trains won't run through and be stopped short.

Correct... 1C94 terminated at Taunton (instead of Exeter), although 1C95 ran through.

Unfortunately both lines are now closed between Exeter & Newton Abbot due to a landslide in Parsons Tunnel.

This from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20525046

Quote "Network Rail said it could be another two weeks before services were back to normal."and "About 1,000 tonnes of mud lying against a fence is also threatening the line."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 29, 2012, 10:25:03
I hope to travel tomorow (30/11/2012) on the 18-03 from Paddington to Taunton.
Experience over the last few days suggests that the service will probably run, though only as far as Exeter.

Am I likely to get a seat ?
Will the train be very busy owing to lack of other services ?
Or will it be less used on account of terminating short, and many people not traveling?

Or would I do better on a slightly earlier or later service ?
Normally I get the 18-03 in order to enjoy the restaurant, but I doubt that this will be provided in the present disruption.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 29, 2012, 10:28:18
From enquries I have made, apparently where the full restaurant cannot be provided they are hoping to offer the Travelling Chef in its place.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 29, 2012, 10:42:24
From enquries I have made, apparently where the full restaurant cannot be provided they are hoping to offer the Travelling Chef in its place.

rather a poor substitute IMHO, but definatly better than nothing !
Anyone know how busy the 18-03 is likely to be, or how busy it was yesterday, which might be an indication.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Ollie on November 29, 2012, 11:53:31
Seeing as line now also closed again at Teignmouth. Even Travelling Chef not guaranteed. With delays they can't guarantee Pullman so they would try provide Travelling Chef as better than nothing.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 29, 2012, 20:14:52
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-20539082):

Quote
Work starts to fix railway landslip near Bristol

Work has begun to bring in more than 4,000 tonnes of earth to shore up a landslip on a rail line near Bristol.

On Wednesday, part of a bank alongside the railway at Westerleigh collapsed, meaning many services were either cancelled or diverted.

Network Rail said it had begun to build a temporary road to the site to enable it to get machinery to the landslip. A spokesman said they were currently "on track" to fix the problem by next Wednesday.

"There is a requirement to build an access road to enable access by large plant for remedial works," a spokesman said.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64457000/jpg/_64457628_64457627.jpg)
Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said it would be "unsafe" to run trains along the track

"Around 4,000 tonnes of material will be needed to rebuild the embankment."

On Thursday, the Secretary of State for transport, Patrick McLoughlin, visited the site to inspect the work. He told BBC Bristol: "A lot has been done in the past 20 hours but there's a lot of work still to do. Network Rail are working around the clock and against the clock to get this fixed as quickly as possible.

"Looking at the way the bank has slipped, it is very dramatic in terms of the work that's got to be done to make it safe. I know it will annoy some people having to wait so long but I don't think anybody can doubt how serious we are about maintaining safety. It would be unsafe to run on that track at the moment."

CrossCountry services travelling from Birmingham are currently being diverted via Wales and the Severn Tunnel.

First Great Western's high-speed services from London Paddington to Wales are either being cancelled or diverted through Box.

Services going from Bristol Parkway to Birmingham and Swindon are being slowed down.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 29, 2012, 20:46:07
BBC Points West had a report on this - they obviously thought it was a good one because they played it at the top of the programme and then the start of it again later by mistake in place of one on the floods in Gloucestershire....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 29, 2012, 21:19:08
Now I'm guessing this is because the crew were displaced because of problems elsewhere as it is only one return trip and not a new calamity - but when does the reason become "due to a member of train crew being unavailable"?

From FGW Journeycheck

Quote
21:50 Twyford to Henley-On-Thames due 22:02
This train will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
Message Received :29/11/2012 21:10   

22:06 Henley-On-Thames to Twyford due 22:18
This train will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
Message Received :29/11/2012 21:10


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TheLastMinute on November 30, 2012, 16:14:09
Network Rail have just tweeted that they hope to reopen one line at Teignmouth this evening.

TLM


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TheLastMinute on November 30, 2012, 16:23:52
...and have just tweeted a picture of the work. Looks like a muddy job!

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A89kbZLCAAAmq0B.jpg)

TLM


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 30, 2012, 16:59:41
I hope to travel tomorow (30/11/2012) on the 18-03 from Paddington to Taunton.
Experience over the last few days suggests that the service will probably run, though only as far as Exeter.

Am I likely to get a seat ?
Will the train be very busy owing to lack of other services ?
Or will it be less used on account of terminating short, and many people not traveling?

Or would I do better on a slightly earlier or later service ?
Normally I get the 18-03 in order to enjoy the restaurant, but I doubt that this will be provided in the present disruption.

Whatever meal service you get it will be better than the 19:03 - it has been cancelled....

Quote
19:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 01:02
This train will be cancelled.
This is due to an earlier train fault.
Message Received :30/11/2012 16:56


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 30, 2012, 18:18:20
On the 18-03 now.
No restaraunt :'(
No travelling chef :'(
15 late leaving  :'(


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 30, 2012, 18:35:52
You are on your way - what's to moan about?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on November 30, 2012, 19:24:52
You are on your way - what's to moan about?

No meal
Almost no snacks, I have just purchased a muffin, believed to be the last edible on board.
No gin
No port.
Late, and getting later
First class invaded by suspected steerage customers, no ticket check as yet.
Train probably wont connect with bus at Taunton, ^60 cab fare.
Otherwise OK


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on November 30, 2012, 20:28:30
All ticketty boo then!    ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 30, 2012, 21:39:54
If Live Departures is to believe the 18:03 has continued past Exeter to Newton Abbot and has just called at Dawlish and Teignmouth.  It was oriignally cancelled at Exeter St Davids due to "a member of train crew being unavailable" but after 20 mins or so was re-instated as far as Newton Abbot.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on November 30, 2012, 22:00:32
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20552062):

Quote
Devon mud-hit railway line reopens

The railway line which connects Devon and Cornwall to the rest of England has reopened after a landslip threatened the track.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64486000/jpg/_64486929_64486928.jpg)

Network Rail has reopened the westbound track which was closed at Teignmouth.

It said the second track along the stretch, closed for nearly a week after heavy rain, was expected to reopen by 05:00 GMT on Saturday.

It said services would be "very limited" and travellers should check which services were running.

Between 1,000 and 1,500 tonnes of mud and rock is being removed from the site between Newton Abbot and Exeter.

Investment call

Passengers had to take rail replacement buses while the lines were blocked.

There have also been about 13 other minor landslips in the same area.

Leader of Plymouth City Council, Tudor Evans, is calling for investment from the government to keep the roads and rail network open.

He is co-ordinating a letter from Cornwall, Devon and Somerset council leaders and the mayor of Torbay.

He said: "I'm not an unreasonable man, I understand we were dealing with extreme weather this time, but this isn't a new issue and flooding happens on an all-too-frequent basis."

Network Rail said it could be another two weeks before rail services were completely back to normal.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on November 30, 2012, 22:03:36
If Live Departures is to believe the 18:03 has continued past Exeter to Newton Abbot and has just called at Dawlish and Teignmouth.  It was oriignally cancelled at Exeter St Davids due to "a member of train crew being unavailable" but after 20 mins or so was re-instated as far as Newton Abbot.


Booked a crew change at Exeter, with the crew having worked the 1600 from Penzance up. The 1600 from Penzance only reached Newton Abbot so the crew were probably at Newton Abbot or heading back to Penzance on a different service.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on November 30, 2012, 22:25:55

No gin
No port.

I feel your pain, brother! We're all in this together: us, the bankers, and the millionaires in the cabinet. Keep calm, and drink lager if you have to! Don't forget that if you can't get a drink on a train, you're probably just not thirsty enough.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Trowres on November 30, 2012, 22:40:30
Quote
No gin
No port.

better than
No ENgin'
No TRANSport
 ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: John R on November 30, 2012, 22:41:23
You are on your way - what's to moan about?

No meal
Almost no snacks, I have just purchased a muffin, believed to be the last edible on board.
No gin
No port.
Late, and getting later
First class invaded by suspected steerage customers, no ticket check as yet.
Train probably wont connect with bus at Taunton, ^60 cab fare.
Otherwise OK

As someone who commutes (first class), I've just been thankful to get from A to B over the last few days, and have come to regard a 30 min delay on any particular journey as a reasonably good result.  Yes there have been days when I've suspected some standard class pax have infiltrated first, and I've even had to endure the non-appearance of the trolley service and the lack of a cup of tea brought to my seat.

But actually, do I care? The railway in the west and all its staff have had so much thrown at it in the last two weeks, and everyone has been doing their best and beyond to provide the best service they can. Restaurants, travelling chefs and even the trolley service are but a minor detail when the railway has an uphill struggle just trying to get people from A to B.      


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on November 30, 2012, 22:56:53
Some good news for passengers. The sleepers should be returning on Monday night, however for approximately one week they are planned to run via Honiton, not stopping at Taunton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on November 30, 2012, 23:16:20
Must have been the longest period for a while they haven't run.  Interesting they are returning on Monday night rather than Sunday which is usually one of the busiest.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on December 01, 2012, 00:41:53
Must have been the longest period for a while they haven't run.  Interesting they are returning on Monday night rather than Sunday which is usually one of the busiest.

There is weekend engineering work on the honiton line (both previously planned and to finish flood repair work)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 01, 2012, 13:02:25
Must have been the longest period for a while they haven't run.  Interesting they are returning on Monday night rather than Sunday which is usually one of the busiest.

There is weekend engineering work on the honiton line (both previously planned and to finish flood repair work)

The timetable for today and tomorrow now takes the hourly trains extended to and from Axminster (now they have the two lines instead of one, I assume this makes for an easy turnaround) instead of Yeovil Jcn.

I never did manage to get hold of a photo of the landslip between Axm and Hon but I expect somebody took one.  What heroic efforts are being made both on the GWR and LSWR.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 01, 2012, 13:49:49
By the way we are all concerned about Broadgage.  Did he catch his bus?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on December 01, 2012, 19:21:31
By the way we are all concerned about Broadgage.  Did he catch his bus?

No I took a taxi, Doubtful if there would be a bus.
My sister took the bus the day the day before, and it too well over 3 hours for a journey timetabled at just over an hour.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 03, 2012, 09:27:52
FGW have retimed many of their services to and from the West of England for this week adding anything up to 20 minutes to journey times.

It seems Cross Country haven't which means for this week JourneyPlanner gives some other connections.

For instance if you miss the 12:01 from Plymouth to Reading the next possibility is usually the 12:55, but this week it will suggest the 12:23 XC service and change at Bristol Parkway - which in theory would get you to Reading just in front of the retimed 12:55.

Just a bit of trivia for a Monday morning.....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 03, 2012, 14:51:25
Some good news for passengers. The sleepers should be returning on Monday night, however for approximately one week they are planned to run via Honiton, not stopping at Taunton.

Sadly they have been cancelled again tonight.

Quote
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:55
This train will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding earlier.
Message Received :03/12/2012 13:43

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:53
This train will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding earlier.
Message Received :03/12/2012 13:43


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 03, 2012, 16:52:03
Seems the route via Honiton is again closed tonight. The timings had been altered with the Taunton stop removed at a later arrival at London. Hopefully they'll be able to run tomorrow.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 03, 2012, 18:20:03
Open again at Westerleigh


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2012, 19:42:24
Open again at Westerleigh

According to BBC West, it was finished 2 days early. Fantastic work.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The SprinterMeister on December 10, 2012, 12:58:54
Open again at Westerleigh

According to BBC West, it was finished 2 days early. Fantastic work.
Cowley Bridge Jn now apparently back up and running normally too, subject to a 20 mph ESR on the up and down main.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Timmer on December 10, 2012, 16:23:16
Let us all hope that things don't kick off again flooding wise over the next couple of weeks. The so called 'Beast from the East', drier but cold and perhaps snow won't be visiting our shores despite promising signs over the past few weeks. Instead the Atlantic will once again be let in bringing ...yes you've guessed it...more rain. Met have already issued an early warning for the Southwest Thursday night into Friday.

Still at least it will be mild but I know what I prefer in winter, dry and cold rather than mild and wet. For those who have suffered from flooding or major disruption due to flooding these past few weeks I would suspect dry and cold would be what they prefer too.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on December 20, 2012, 09:12:09
Disruption again due to heavy rain, not as bad as last time though.

Hope that the 18-03 runs OK tonight as I expect to be on it.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 10:39:26
Both the Looe and Newquay branches in Cornwall are closed due to flooding.

There is also disruption on the South Western Main Line between Brockenhurst and Bournemouth and the West Coastway Line/Bognor Regis branch at Barnham. Both again due to flooding.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 20, 2012, 10:43:19
Keeping my fingers crossed for Cowley Bridge.  I'm due to pass through there at about 22:30 on Saturday!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 13:50:51
It won't be much of a surprise to anyone to learn that the West of England Main Line between Yeovil Junction and Exmouth Junction has closed again (1314 20/12/2012). Flooding in the Axminster area. Replacement road transport is in operation between Yeovil Junction and Exeter St Davids.

There is also replacement road transport between Fareham and Eastleigh due to flooding near Botley. Flooding is also causing disruption at Southampton Central. Because of this, trains from and to this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. These delays will continue until further notice.

The rail network in the west is really having a bad time of it this winter. Should we blame the Mayans?  :P


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 14:21:38
An update on the situation in the Brockenhurst area:

From National Rail Enquiries:

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- Services from London Waterloo will terminate at Southampton Central / Brockenhurst.

- A train 'shuttle' will run between Bournemouth and Weymouth, departing Bournemouth at xx:04 minutes past the hour and departing Weymouth at xx:20 minutes past the hour.

- There are no SWT services between Bournemouth and Brockenhurst. SWT are running buses between Bournemouth and Brockenhurst.

- CrossCountry services may be delayed by up to 60 minutes.

- Services have been suspended between Brockenhurst and Lymington Pier. Passengers are advised to use local buses (route 65).

- Parking restrictions have been lifted at alternative stations throughout the area.

- First Great Western are accepting South West Trains passengers between Weymouth and London Paddington.

- South West Trains and CrossCountry passengers may use replacement buses between Bournemouth and Brockenhurst.

- CrossCountry passengers may use First Great Western services between Basingstoke and Reading


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 20, 2012, 14:50:07
Whilst I support a routing easement for Weymouth - Paddington. I'm not sure that is something FGW want to hear at the moment, considering Contingency Plan 3 is in operation... ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 15:18:51
Related, but away from the rail network, the BBC are reporting on the situation. Particularly badly affected is the south Hampshire area.

News item and video report featuring the usual cars caught in floods:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20786462


EDIT: Have to say, you've got to admire German engineering. That Porsche, caught in a flood and submerged up to a few inches below the roof, still has it's windscreen wipers working!  ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on December 20, 2012, 15:23:04
Whilst I support a routing easement for Weymouth - Paddington. I'm not sure that is something FGW want to hear at the moment, considering Contingency Plan 3 is in operation... ::)

What is contingency plan 3 ? (not certain if this is a serious remark or a joke, but I need enlightening in either event)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 20, 2012, 15:27:09
Interesting article  here from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20785406) - Saturday is the 50th anniversary of the start of the big freeze of the 1962/63 winter.

Won't quote it all - but this bit is rail related

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There's no guarantee trains would do better today, says Andrew Martin, author of The Necropolis Railway. The technology was basic back then - steam trains were the norm. But steam trains were heavier and hotter so could often get through the snow, he argues.

Rail expert Barry Doe says the railways had a huge army of manpower to call on in times of need. Signal boxes were manned every few miles down the line in 1962. Problems could be sorted out manually if something went wrong either by shovelling snow or replacing signals.

"If a lever broke in the signal box, the signal man would lean out of the box with a green flag. Nowadays if the green signal fails in the wilds somewhere, everything is linked electrically so a succession of things down the line can go wrong."

Did steam trains cope better with snow than their electric counterparts?
Christian Wolmar, author of Fire and Steam, disagrees. Steam trains coped badly with slight inclines and slippery rails. Modern trains have intelligent fault reporting systems that spot problems. The points, which used to freeze up all the time, are today heated.

Problems remain, Wolmar concedes. The commuter trains in southern England still rely on the "third rail" system. Instead of being powered by overhead electric lines, the power supply comes from a rail on the track. When it snows there is a tendency for the power to fail.

And even modern trains go wrong. Eurostar was heavily criticised after five trains became stuck in December 2010. It is believed they failed to adjust from the cold air of northern France to the warm tunnel.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 15:28:58
What is contingency plan 3 ? (not certain if this is a serious remark or a joke, but I enlightening in either event)

See my post on another thread (Major delays/cancellations, Paddington to Reading 20/12/2012 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11731.msg122313#msg122313)) where there is a file attached - Network Rail/FGW's 'Contingency Plan Three'.

(It's a .pdf document so may not be viewable on some devices)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2012, 16:59:45
The WoE Main Line between Yeovil Junction and Exmouth Junction has now reopened. Buses are still running until a full service is resumed. Estimated to be around 1820.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 20, 2012, 17:06:12
I was in Axminster this afternoon.  The road to Chard was closed and the road to Honiton was closed.  Of course the A35 bypass would not be because it is built on an embankment and viaducts.

I notice the local and national press do not emblazon their websites and front pages with those type of headlines about road travel (you know,  'More chaos on rail') and wonder why that is so.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: devon_metro on December 20, 2012, 17:56:23
Raining again in Hampshire last time I looked outside!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 20, 2012, 22:19:04
What is contingency plan 3 ? (not certain if this is a serious remark or a joke, but I enlightening in either event)

See my post on another thread (Major delays/cancellations, Paddington to Reading 20/12/2012 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11731.msg122313#msg122313)) where there is a file attached - Network Rail/FGW's 'Contingency Plan Three'.

(It's a .pdf document so may not be viewable on some devices)

^^ - What he said ;) :)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 21, 2012, 10:40:27
The rail network in the west is really having a bad time of it this winter. Should we blame the Mayans?  :P

Well, there's no need to go on about it, like it was the end of the world or something...  :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: EBrown on December 21, 2012, 12:23:05
I'm more interested in 1C32. Delayed for 100 minutes at Chippenham after a (operating incident) door came open en route. I assume someone will have to investigate that?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 21, 2012, 12:27:02
Not helped by the fact the entry was made on Journeycheck after midnight so the system thinks it is tonight's 21:45 which is going to be affected so it is still there....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 21, 2012, 14:26:18
1 hour 58 minutes after bobm posted that and it's still there now... :-\ :-[ >:( ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ReWind on December 21, 2012, 20:25:14
From FGW:

Flooding is expected to disrupt services in between Taunton, Exeter St Davids, Plymouth and Penzance from the start of service on Saturday 22nd December until further notice.

Services operating between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads towards Exeter St Davids, Plymouth and Penzance will terminate at either Taunton or Tiverton Parkway in both directions.

Services due to operate through to/from Penzance will start/terminate at Exeter St Davids.

Limited road replacement transport will be in operation between Tiverton Parkway, Taunton and Exeter St Davids in both directions.

Customers with non-essential travel plans are advised to make alternative arrangements for their travel.

Tickets will be valid on alternative days.

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http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/disruption


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Ollie on December 21, 2012, 21:38:08
1 hour 58 minutes after bobm posted that and it's still there now... :-\ :-[ >:( ::)

Should be changed now as 1C32 is cancelled!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 21, 2012, 21:42:20
1 hour 58 minutes after bobm posted that and it's still there now... :-\ :-[ >:( ::)

Should be changed now as 1C32 is cancelled!

Yes, Has been changed. Saw that just now ;) Thanks if you sorted it!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: EBrown on December 22, 2012, 00:13:09
Yes, Has been changed. Saw that just now ;) Thanks if you sorted it!
I did tell Serco this morning but they don't really like me so I didn't get a response.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Ollie on December 22, 2012, 03:06:17
1 hour 58 minutes after bobm posted that and it's still there now... :-\ :-[ >:( ::)

Should be changed now as 1C32 is cancelled!

Yes, Has been changed. Saw that just now ;) Thanks if you sorted it!

Wasn't me, not sure when it changed, might have been spotted earlier, if not would have been when the cancellation message came through.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 22, 2012, 07:42:46
Well the predicted flooding has occured.  I assume it is Cowley Bridge again.

I notice the down sleeper is now over two hours late.  I assume the closure came early enough for it to be sent via Yeovil.  Perhaps the up sleeper went that way too.

Closure of the line couldn't really happen on a worse day what with the Christmas getaway (me included).

My Christmas wish?  Be nice to the staff out there - I'm sure they'll be doing their best!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 22, 2012, 07:56:04

My Christmas wish?  Be nice to the staff out there - I'm sure they'll be doing their best!

I second this..I know sometimes it gets frustrating when we haven't got a clue what is going on the lack of information isn't normally down to people on the front line.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 22, 2012, 08:10:32
Well the predicted flooding has occured.  I assume it is Cowley Bridge again.

Closure of the line couldn't really happen on a worse day what with the Christmas getaway (me included).


Good luck with your journey, Bob ... and keep us posted with the situation on the ground.  Saturday is usually the quietest day on the forum, but I expect we'll be busier that usual today - much of it being guests searching for updates.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 22, 2012, 08:44:57
Thanks.

FGW now reporting the line closed between Taunton and Plymouth because of flooding and landlips....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 22, 2012, 09:24:10
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20822798):

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Christmas getaway faces rain disruption

Rail passengers and motorists are facing further disruption due to signalling failures on the rail networks and continued wet weather.

A severe flood warning is in place in Helston, Cornwall, where 190 residents have been advised to leave their homes.

First Great Western says rail problems are so severe in the south west of England that they are advising passengers not to travel.

Heavy rain forecast for Saturday is likely to flood roads in many areas. In total, the Environment Agency has issued more than 100 flood warnings, meaning flooding is expected, and more than 280 flood alerts, meaning flooding is possible, for England and Wales. In Scotland, 12 flood alerts and 16 flood warnings have been issued by the Scottish Environment Protection Agency (Sepa), with Tayside currently the worst affected area.

The Met Office has issued amber weather warnings for heavy rain in south west England, Yorkshire and Humbershire, Wales, central Scotland and the Grampians for Saturday and into Sunday morning.

A rest centre has been opened for residents in Helston forced to leave their homes by the rising waters of the River Cober, Cornwall Council has said, although only about five people used it. There are reports of more than 50 properties being flooded in Cornwall, five of which are in Helston.

The Environment Agency said widespread flooding of properties was "imminent" and issued a severe flood warning - its highest level, meaning there is a danger to life - for St Johns Road, St Johns Close, Coronation Park and Loe Pool in the town.

David Owens of Cornwall Council said the level of the river is "still continuing to rise, still continuing to be of concern".

Fire crews in Dorset used an inflatable boat to rescue two motorists stuck in standing water near Christchurch on Friday night. One man had been stuck in his car for five hours, and a woman and child were also rescued from a car on the West Stafford bypass near Dorchester.

Fire crews have attended about 70 flood-related incidents across Cornwall since 00:00 GMT on Saturday, and surface water on the roads is causing dangerous driving conditions for motorists. The council confirmed the A39 at Perranarworthal was closed due to flooding, with some minor routes in the county currently impassable.

On the rail network, the Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect rail services were suspended overnight after signalling problems on the Great Western mainline near Hayes and Harlington. However, following overnight repair work, a full service to and from London Paddington was restored early on Saturday morning.

Train operators have advised passengers to check the National Rail Enquiries website before travelling.

In other rail developments:
- Flooding is causing disruption near Rhoose Cardiff International Airport
- In the West Country, rail services are suspended between Exeter St Davids and Taunton due to flooding. Replacement buses are in operation but Network Rail are warning journey times could be increased by up to an hour. Poor road conditions mean that buses are not able to run on many routes
- A landslip at Glazebrook near Manchester on Friday afternoon has disrupted rail services between Manchester, Liverpool and Warrington. A reduced service is expected to continue until further notice
- A lineside fire has damaged electrical equipment and caused signalling problems at Preston Park near Brighton, with disruption expected to continue until Sunday. Rail services, including services to and from Gatwick airport, are able to run but at a reduced frequency

Elsewhere on the roads, the A38 eastbound near Plymouth is closed due to flooding and in northern England, the wet weather has forced the closure of the A19 in both directions near Stockton-on-Tees. And the M60 in Greater Manchester has a slip road closed because of flooding at junction 11.

With motorists taking to the roads before Christmas, Miranda Schunke from breakdown service Green Flag said she was expecting roads in the Midlands and London to be the busiest over the weekend. "The M4 and M5 corridor where they meet, that will be busy as people try and head down to Devon and Cornwall. Obviously there's flooding potential there as well so you need to be careful. As people try and get out of London, the M40, the M4 and M3 are also going to be very busy," she added.

(My highlighting: CfN.)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 22, 2012, 12:00:45
Well the predicted flooding has occured.  I assume it is Cowley Bridge again.

I notice the down sleeper is now over two hours late.  I assume the closure came early enough for it to be sent via Yeovil.  Perhaps the up sleeper went that way too.

Closure of the line couldn't really happen on a worse day what with the Christmas getaway (me included).

My Christmas wish?  Be nice to the staff out there - I'm sure they'll be doing their best!

Both sleepers went via Yeovil - they had enough warning during the day.  The up was 45 late, the down, sadly 165 late after the land-slide at Teignmouth (which also put the up 35 late earlier on in the evening.)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: macbrains on December 22, 2012, 12:45:38
In my view, FGW's advice not to travel is hardly practical, given the date.

As stated on another thread, Miss Macbrains is (hopefully) travelling today from Truro to Cheltenham - today is the only day she could travel home.

Just had a txt from her - she's managed to get on the train from Truro to Plymouth, but

- the train is jammed full, being comprised of only two coaches - why?
- there will apparently be only two buses at Plymouth to forward passengers onwards, and FGW are quoting at least two hours delay there - why can't more buses have been provided, or at least on standby - this weather has been forecast for several days! ???

This is not acceptable.

rgds
macbrains


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 22, 2012, 13:15:44
Obviously being DMU worked so assume no HST available.    The provision of buses can depend on availability, something outside the Railway Industry control.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 22, 2012, 13:22:42
A two coach train may have been all that was available. Better that than nothing at all.

It's Christmas. Coach and bus companies are already busy doing their own work. They don't have a strategic reserve of vehicles and staff to cover problems on the rail network.


I have taken FGWs advice and decided not to travel today, that despite my journey not being further west than Taunton. Gathering with the family for Christmas was planned for later today or tomorrow. I'll now leave it until Monday. If I can't travel on Monday, then so be it. It's not essential to be with the family at Christmas, just desirable. Therefore my travel is not essential either.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 22, 2012, 13:36:26
I agree BNM very few things in life are essential and most instead fall into the desirable category.  It is increasingly looking like my trip to South Devon will be by road for at least part of the way.  It isn't vital I get there for Christmas, although certainly desirable as I have invested a large sum in a four course meal on Christmas Day for six people.  However given that the location is a restaurant overlooking a river that may not have been such a bright idea.... so again I might not be the only one to miss out if I don't get there.  ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: chrisoates on December 22, 2012, 15:32:02
Obviously being DMU worked so assume no HST available.    The provision of buses can depend on availability, something outside the Railway Industry control.

And Crews - the 9:50 HST from PNZ was about 1h:15 late despite there being 4 HSTs at Long Rock - looked like they had to wait for the delayed Sleeper Crew to do the return working.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 22, 2012, 17:41:17
In my view, FGW's advice not to travel is hardly practical, given the date.

- there will apparently be only two buses at Plymouth to forward passengers onwards, and FGW are quoting at least two hours delay there - why can't more buses have been provided, or at least on standby - this weather has been forecast for several days! ???

This is not acceptable.

rgds
macbrains

Why is it not practical?  Because it doesn't suit you?  If the motorways flooded and the Highways Agency said do not travel, would you be saying the same?

Mother Nature clearly doesn't give a toss about the date.  There is no magic source of buses available at a moments notice, we have sourced what road transport we can, but roads are flooding too.  Bus companies are not going to drop everything just because the railway clicks it fingers.

So many staff are doing their best to get people to their destinations, from those putting people on buses, people at stations, on trains and the control centre staff trying to keep a railway running.  The vast majority of the general public who have decided to travel have been very understanding and appreciative of the efforts and have been incredibly patient, but I am sorry I personally find your comments absolutely astounding and quite immature.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 22, 2012, 17:42:23
I've just driven from Barnstaple to Bristol. Every river I crossed was a raging mass of angry water, with the Mole, Crooked Oak, and Exe having burst their banks, albeit onto flood plains where I was. All looked normal at Tiverton Parkway, and the signals were working. I saw a Cross Country train heading down at Highbridge, but with the amount of water that there is around, I was surprised to see even that. I've just seen Cowley Bridge on the news, with its new inflatable dams, something that will hopefully prevent damage on the scale of last time.

They say it's as bad as the Great Flood of a month ago.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 22, 2012, 18:22:45
Picture of Cowley bridge inflatable dams at

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/story-17656490-detail/story.html? (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/story-17656490-detail/story.html?)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: devon_metro on December 22, 2012, 18:34:09
Just hoping my drive home tomorrow will be without issue, thinking the motorways are a safer bet than crossing through Wiltshire and rural Somerset.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: John R on December 22, 2012, 18:42:44
As stated on another thread, Miss Macbrains is (hopefully) travelling today from Truro to Cheltenham - today is the only day she could travel home.
This is not acceptable.

rgds
macbrains

The only day? Really? According to my calendar there are another two days before Xmas.

Like Super Guard I find your comments somewhat immature. The sea of displaced passengers I experienced today at Temple Meads were resigned but generally understanding of the situation the railways are in, and the efforts being made by staff to get as many people to their destinations as possible.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 22, 2012, 18:59:43
In my view, FGW's advice not to travel is hardly practical, given the date.

As stated on another thread, Miss Macbrains is (hopefully) travelling today from Truro to Cheltenham - today is the only day she could travel home.

Just had a txt from her - she's managed to get on the train from Truro to Plymouth, but

- the train is jammed full, being comprised of only two coaches - why?
- there will apparently be only two buses at Plymouth to forward passengers onwards, and FGW are quoting at least two hours delay there - why can't more buses have been provided, or at least on standby - this weather has been forecast for several days! ???

This is not acceptable.

rgds
macbrains


I realise that this is a major failing of the clairvoyance department at FGW who, knowing how difficult it would be to get large numbers of coaches and drivers a couple of days before Christmas, should have foreseen this months ago so that they could have arranged with a number of bus companies in the necessary time to be ready to provide alternative transport at this just before Christmas.

What....  ....you mean that FGW do not employ a clairvoyant!   That is totally unacceptable, no self respecting transport organisation could be without one.   :o

Maybe I should put it in irony marks, but I do not know what they look like.

Seriously - that is why FGW are advising people not to travel on that route!  You cannot summon up that number of buses and drivers even in a couple of days just before Christmas.  And with so much of the South West affected some of the roads are not recommended either. If you do try and travel today, then expect it to be difficult and uncomfortable. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 22, 2012, 19:40:31
Hey, folks ... there are times when we have to travel on a particular day / to be somewhere at a particular time.   We don't know the particulars of why Miss McBrains had to travel today, and we shouldn't approach the limit of what's acceptable in terms of getting personal on the forum when we don't know, nor should we pry by asking.  The journey to Cheltenham may be for Christmas with family ... or it could be for a hospital admission tomorrow. And I hope the critics would be comfortable with their criticism if that were the case!



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: StuartStIves on December 22, 2012, 19:54:55
Good advice not to travel unless you have to.  However, there are some positives looking at Live Arrivals and Departures and FGW Journeycheck on the web:

- services are running between Plymouth and Exeter (despite NRE disruption pages saying lines closed Plymouth to Taunton)
- A few Penzance / Plymouth to/from Paddington services appear to be diverted via Honiton/Yeovil/Castle Cary offering some through trains without having to change.
- Unlike last time, Exeter to Waterloo route is still open
- Bristol - Taunton is shut, but you could take SWT Exeter to Basingstoke and change there to XC services to Birmingham and the North (or the few FGW services diverted via Yeovil and change at Reading)

Worrying notice that North Devon and Looe branch lines may be closed until 29 December, which suggests damage must be very severe.  No bus replacements to Barnstaple possible either. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 22, 2012, 20:01:08
Good points Stuart.  I don't know what rescued what now emerges as a temporary failure of the Yeovil to Exeter line, but clearly there was no washout as previously.  I can confirm that there was mass flooding of the Axe valley roads so it looks like the Chard to Axminster railway line stretch held up.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 22, 2012, 20:17:43
Hey, folks ... there are times when we have to travel on a particular day / to be somewhere at a particular time.   We don't know the particulars of why Miss McBrains had to travel today, and we shouldn't approach the limit of what's acceptable in terms of getting personal on the forum when we don't know, nor should we pry by asking.  The journey to Cheltenham may be for Christmas with family ... or it could be for a hospital admission tomorrow. And I hope the critics would be comfortable with their criticism if that were the case!

I'm sorry Graham, but clearly the poster is referring to Christmas.

Quote
In my view, FGW's advice not to travel is hardly practical, given the date.

I know people are going to travel contrary to FGW's advice given the time of year, and I have no issue with those who are travelling (and by the sounds of it the Miss McBrains is making her journey - and I hope she makes it to Cheltenham safely), however whatever the reason for travelling, I do not think it is right to be criticising FGW's efforts to get people from A to B, when they have clearly said.. "Do Not Travel".

I'm sorry if my natural defensiveness for my industry offends anyone, we really are trying to get people to their destinations, but by saying "DNT" it is clear that if you decide to travel, it may not be pretty.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 22, 2012, 20:48:32
Worrying notice that North Devon and Looe branch lines may be closed until 29 December, which suggests damage must be very severe.  No bus replacements to Barnstaple possible either. 

I've read on Twitter that all the main roads out of Barnstaple are currently closed.

The photo below is the River Taw near Bishops Tawton. The railway line is somewhere under there...


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: macbrains on December 22, 2012, 21:28:28
Thanks to all posters for their replies to my comments - all points of view equally valid, no doubt, to the individual posters themselves.

rgds
Rob


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: John R on December 22, 2012, 22:11:33
Hey, folks ... there are times when we have to travel on a particular day / to be somewhere at a particular time.   We don't know the particulars of why Miss McBrains had to travel today, and we shouldn't approach the limit of what's acceptable in terms of getting personal on the forum when we don't know, nor should we pry by asking.  [/i]

I don't believe I did pry. I simply challenged whether it really was the only day, or (which seemed much more likely given the context of the threads on which MacBrains had discussed the subject of Miss MacBrains no 2's journey), the day chosen to be the most convenient for Miss MacBrains to travel home to her family for Christmas.

The point here is that people often believe a journey on a particular day is essential. But, in the words often of the police who urge motorists "not to drive unless your journey is really essential" (which as an aside should remind us that it is not only public transport that has to suffer the vagaries of the weather) sometimes we have to recognise the difference between desirable or convenient, and essential.  That was my challenge, and I'm slightly surprised the moderators consider it to be "approaching the limit of what's acceptable" on the forum.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 22, 2012, 22:28:59
Thanks to all posters for their replies to my comments - all points of view equally valid, no doubt, to the individual posters themselves.

rgds
Rob

I sympathise. To have a family member who would normally celebrate Christmas within the family stuck elsewhere is not nice. We all make the effort at this time of year, if never at any other time, and that is right. I understand, however, that these are exceptional circumstances on the railways (or at least I hope they are!), and that the employees of the various TOCs are doing their level best against Cnutian odds to get everybody home. There will undoubtedly be some who wish they hadn't made it home this Christmas, only to find it flooded, and it hasn't stopped raining yet. To macbrains, I say that I hope your daughter makes it home to celebrate the season with her loving family. To Super Guard, I say thank you for your tireless efforts, and I hope you can get her home.

To StuartStIves, I say that when I passed near there earlier, it looked nothing like as bad as that picture. Ye gods!

To all, I say be sensible, be sensitive to others' feelings, and have the best Christmas you can. It probably can't rain until September.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 22, 2012, 22:38:56
Interesting call for me as "duty moderator".   I wasn't suggesting that anyone had pryed at all - just pointing out that was somewhere we shouldn't go.

Having made plans, there is a natural desire to stick to them rather than change a whole stack of other plans built on th etimings given, perhaps allowing an hour or two for delays.  And that may - as you suggest, John R, have emotional elements.  Or it may not.  

I abandoned the train during the chaos into and out of Paddington last week; in one direction, it really didn't matter whether I was on time or not, but in the other direction being an hour late would have resulted in me breaking my contract, and with course delegates from all over the world so *my* push back would have resulted in up to a dozen other pushbacks.  It was an unusually tight particular week. You may say "catch an earlier train" - err - the earlier train is 10 hours earlier, and I also need my sleep to fulfill my contract.  Each person / situation differs.

However and whether the young lady travelled, I hope all have a good Christmas.   Thank you to those in the industry who have to be out to help those who require to travel even in extreme weather (or in extreme equipment failure times).  Believe you me, even many of us with grumpy faces on that train that takes 80 minutes to Reading have a great sympathy.

Edit to correct typo


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 22, 2012, 23:23:27
Greate Poste, Grahame! As in many years past, gangs of PW workers will be foregoing the turkey over the festive season, to do the planned works that make our railway a success. Except that this year, they may find themselves doing God's Wonderful Railway just to keep some sort of service ticking over.

God bless us all, each and every one!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 23, 2012, 01:30:25
Good luck with your journey, Bob ... and keep us posted with the situation on the ground.  Saturday is usually the quietest day on the forum, but I expect we'll be busier that usual today - much of it being guests searching for updates.

Well I made it to South Devon but sadly not by train.  On checking live departures both my planned trains were heavily delayed and, of course, would not have got me past Taunton.

Managed to get a lift and despite some heavy rain just before the Somerset border there was little traffic on the road. One thing I did notice was a large number of Taunton taxis and minibuses heading towards Exeter and again a few more once we got on the A38 after Exeter. Whether they were displaced rail passengers I don't know.

Would certainly have preferred to go by train and do some work on the way down but it wasn't to be and I've got the work to do now!

Plan to go into Exeter later today so might get a better idea how things are in daylight. At least the rain has stopped for now.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 23, 2012, 11:35:41
Cowley Bridge published on twitter.......
https://twitter.com/MikeYearworth/status/282805566185799681/photo/1/large


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: BBM on December 23, 2012, 12:35:32
One more photo from Twitter of Cowley Bridge this morning:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-yZ74PCYAADelw.jpg (http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-yZ74PCYAADelw.jpg)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 23, 2012, 13:21:08
Both of those are excellent - they explain very clearly why there aren't any trains.

Why isn't there anything similar on the National Rail website?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Maxwell P on December 23, 2012, 13:48:32
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o575/MaxwellFP/537682_562291867117711_1250401157_n.jpg)

A colleague's pic of Cowley Bridge


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Steve Bray on December 23, 2012, 15:02:42
I didn't fully follow the reasons behind the closure of Plymouth airport, but that could have seen a lot of extra passengers over the last few months due to all the floods in recent days and months.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 23, 2012, 15:13:56
Exeter-Tiverton/Barnstaple closed until at least the 28th December.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 23, 2012, 16:39:16
I wonder why FGW are not running via Yeovil and Castle Cary?  This route is sometimes used for autumn diversions etc. and I have been that way several times in the past.  I did notice one Up train went that way late yesterday (Saturday 22nd December).


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 23, 2012, 17:05:31
The sleepers appear to be running through tonight, so they must be going via Yeovil.

There may be a concern of sets getting trapped if the Yeovil line is subsequently closed (I don't know how good/bad the line is there.)

If SWT are still running hourly Exeter-Waterloo, then the paths are not there for FGW.  Exeter TM's & Drivers certainly sign this diversion, i'm not sure about other depots though, so crewing issues may be a problem too.

BBC National News are filming at Cowley Bridge, and to see the rails twisted out of shape is quite a sobering picture.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on December 23, 2012, 17:06:21
I wonder why FGW are not running via Yeovil and Castle Cary?  This route is sometimes used for autumn diversions etc. and I have been that way several times in the past.  I did notice one Up train went that way late yesterday (Saturday 22nd December).

No paths without cancelling SWT services?  During planned diversions don't FGW pick up the intermediate calls as well, hence all the HST stop markers most places along the route.

As we know, the Axminster loop only allows for a regular hourly service each way - but why they can't they run alternate services on the SWT and FGW routes, seems that's a fair question...

PS, the route has been downgraded by the BBC now, it's "...the Exeter to Tiverton branch line"!

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 23, 2012, 17:12:24
But when the line was resignalled earlier this year additional signal sections were put in at Crewkerne to allow two trains to follow each other in the same direction on the single line.  This was always the stretch that constrained the route to one train per hour in each direction.  The rest of the route can handle two trains per hour in each direction.
What a waste of investment.  I would like to have seen the business case that justified the new signals >:(


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 23, 2012, 17:18:45
I didn't realise it was improved to 2tph in each direction.

With this happening twice in a short space of time, perhaps plan B should be drafted between FGW & SWT for when this happens.

There are certainly enough Exeter crew around today to be able to run some trains, I don't know if Plymouth sign the diversion, but I think some London crews do too.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 23, 2012, 17:20:02
I wonder why FGW are not running via Yeovil and Castle Cary?  This route is sometimes used for autumn diversions etc. and I have been that way several times in the past.  I did notice one Up train went that way late yesterday (Saturday 22nd December).

Single line capacity.  Route knowledge, stock positioning, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 23, 2012, 17:24:27
Sorry, I should add that SWT are accepting FGW tickets and the route is a passenger desert between Taunton and Reading, so what's the gain?  You can get to Reading from Basingstoke (and go back down the Kennet valley if needed).   


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 23, 2012, 17:25:02
There are certainly enough Exeter crew around today to be able to run some trains, I don't know if Plymouth sign the diversion, but I think some London crews do too.
Some Plymouth TMs do but I don't believe any drivers do. Wasn't aware that London crews signed the route. Last time there were booked diversions they only used Exeter crew, with many services having crew changes at Castle Cary. Should be possible crew and stock wise to run a decent level of service via Yeovil, but it seems NR won't allow it.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 23, 2012, 17:26:00
Sorry, I should add that SWT are accepting FGW tickets and the route is a passenger desert between Taunton and Reading, so what's the gain?  You can get to Reading from Basingstoke (and go back down the Kennet valley if needed).   
SWT run a mix of 3 and 6-car trains once per hour. The services are already fairly busy, if you try adding FGWs passengers from roughly hourly 8-car HSTs you can imagine the overcrowding that will result.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 23, 2012, 17:29:22
Sorry, just thought of something else.  I imagine SWT could put on extra stock as they often run with three cars west beyond Salisbury in the off peak.  There may be scope to put on another set but I believe the favourite word here is 'rammed'.  I would certainly do my best if I were SWT, tremendous PR advantage (apart from common humanity).


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 23, 2012, 17:41:52
Well in the 2010 timetable for March the line was closed between Taunton and Exeter and the Sunday service pattern between Exeter and Yeovil was one hour SWT next hour FGW then repeated throughout the day, and this was before the new signals were added but after Axminster loop was added, so it can work.  In the event of late running there is the backup of the loops at Honiton and Chard Junction.

As far as overcrowding between Exeter and Yeovil goes I have travelled on this route on three car sets at all times of day and days of the week and I have yet to encounter a SWT train that I would class as 'Full' on that section.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 23, 2012, 18:11:22
I read in Modern Railways mag that the SWT sets win the most reliable prize yet again.  There is a challenge here for SWT from which it could gain immense profit.   But this is just temporary sticking plaster.   

To take this further, is it not clear that resources have to be diverted from an existing planned rail project to put the Cowley Bridge to Stoke Canon up on a viaduct while the Axminster route via Castle Cary takes the strain.

Even while all is in operational smithereens, surely a strategic approach must get the engineers to sit in a quiet room and plan for a strategic solution.  I also believe that the reinstatement of the Okehampton Route is now of high importance.

Our West strategic railway routes simply need to be reinstated and made climate change proof. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 23, 2012, 18:23:55
Well in the 2010 timetable for March the line was closed between Taunton and Exeter and the Sunday service pattern between Exeter and Yeovil was one hour SWT next hour FGW then repeated throughout the day, and this was before the new signals were added but after Axminster loop was added, so it can work.  In the event of late running there is the backup of the loops at Honiton and Chard Junction.

As far as overcrowding between Exeter and Yeovil goes I have travelled on this route on three car sets at all times of day and days of the week and I have yet to encounter a SWT train that I would class as 'Full' on that section.
In 2010 the timetable was 3tp2h. FGW and SWT both ran two-hourly in the standard SWT pattern with SWT running a further train in a different path, around 30 minutes away from the other path.
I've been on some pretty busy services along the route, but a lot of the traffic is local within Devon. I imagine the service has been rather busy the last couple of days though being the only way from the South West to London without using a bus.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 23, 2012, 18:24:13
Purely anecdotal but I saw the 11:15 from London Waterloo arrive at Exeter St Davids today and the six car train was not too heavily loaded.  I am told it was full and standing from Clapham Junction to Woking but gradually thinned out after that and was pretty quiet after Salisbury.

Good bit of station working at EXD too with a Cross Country service for Plymouth being held for over 10 minutes to allow those arriving on the SW Trains service to change.  Message was also conveyed to the train manager so he could advise passengers before the train pulled in.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 23, 2012, 18:26:10
It really is d^ vu at Cowley Bridge Junction. Having seen the main BBC News this evening you could be forgiven for thinking that they just re-used footage from November.

And you have to feel for the Network Rail engineers and track workers who worked tirelessly to get the line reopened after the last flood. To see their hard work washed away after just two weeks must be really frustrating.

Let us all hope that things don't kick off again flooding wise over the next couple of weeks.

We hoped. Some may have prayed or tried other invocations. Sadly things did kick off again.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on December 23, 2012, 18:38:39
I didn't realise it was improved to 2tph in each direction.

It still doesn't allow a regular 2 tph in both directions AFAICT.  What can now happen is that an additional train can follow another more closely together than previously but only in one direction at a time in specific sections of single track route, but not over the whole length.

Edit: I just had a look to see if this was covered in the NR timetable planning rules, (formerly rules of the route), but if it is I can't fathom it out...

Paul



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The Grecian on December 23, 2012, 18:48:37
There's the same quantity of standard class accommodation in a 6 car 159 as an 8 car HST - 5 carriages (4 and 2 halves to be precise), although First Class is down to 2 half carriages and there's no buffet.

If they have sufficient stock then you can run 9 carriage trains, increasing standard accommodation to 7.5 carriages. However the last 3 carriages wouldn't be able to be platformed between Exeter Central and Salisbury. I suppose it might be possible to direct local passengers to the front 6 coaches and long distance FGW passengers to the back 3.

Any 3 coach trains out of Exeter towards Waterloo between 3.30pm and 6 used to often be full and standing, particularly on a Friday or Saturday. However the hourly service may have helped reduce this as there's now more services available.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 24, 2012, 04:56:22
Further disruption is likely this morning as the line between Swindon and Bristol Parkway has closed due to flooding at Chipping Sodbury. The Paddington <-> Swansea (Paddington <-> Cardiff services are not running) services are being diverted via Box and Dr Days with reversal at Bristol Parkway and no additional calls. If road transport to provide a Parkway-Patchway shuttle can be sourced later this morning some services will call at Patchway and skip Bristol Parkway.

Also a landslip near Parsons Tunnel, Teignmouth has closed the Up Line. Looks likely that there will be single line working through this section this morning. This is a very recent development (0430) and the effect on passenger services is not yet known.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 24, 2012, 05:52:02
I went through Parsons Tunnel twice yesterday and there were Network Rail staff there monitoring the situation with a couple of diggers and other equipment close by. There were already deposits of the distinctive red clay visible in the four foot on both lines.

As I write it is pouring down outside so it can't be much fun being out there trying to sort all this out.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 24, 2012, 07:39:10
According to one entry in the news feed provided to rail staff; due to the flooding at Chipping Sodbury:

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All stations between Swindon and Bristol Parkway will not be served

Which stations are those then?  ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 24, 2012, 09:38:26
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All stations between Swindon and Bristol Parkway will not be served

Which stations are those then?  ::)


OK - I know you're joking but there's a serious question that sprung to my mind - WHY are there none?

There use to be:

Hay Lane
Royal Wootton Bassett (know as "Wootton Bassett" when open)
Brinkworth
Little Somerford
Hullavington
Badminton
Chipping Sodbury
Coalpit Heath
Winterbourne

But none has had any service for years - first to close was Hay Lane on 31st May 1841, and last to close was Badminton on 3rd June 1968.

Cases could be made for certain re-openings once we have the improve accelleration of electric trains ... Royal Wootton Bassett (but there a station may be best to the west of the junction, on the Chippenham line), and I muse about Hullavington; a station where the A429 crosses the railway, just a mile from the M4.  With plentiful long term parking provided, this could be a serious magnet for new rail customers from further west spending a day or a week in London. With half hourly stops on the new Bristol to London via Parkway service, the new service would have an extra traffic source, and the service speed would become such that it would be every 15 minutes from London to Brstol and back, all services taking the same time, so regular clock-face all the way.

Hullavington station would, undoubtedly, attract custom from other stations which are used for London commutes.  However, many of those were never designed to be easy to drive to and park at, and they're creaking at the seams at times.  What a good idea to provide extra capacity where it's better capacity too, and relieve the other stations a little for their more local traffic growth.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 24, 2012, 10:27:31
SW Trains Journeycheck is reporting that many London Waterloo to Exeter St Davids services are being strengthened to six or nine carriages today.

Also noticed there is a 20:20 service from WAT which arrives at EXD at 00:01 Christmas morning.  Is this the only passenger train in service on the 25th?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 24, 2012, 11:04:07
Also noticed there is a 20:20 service from WAT which arrives at EXD at 00:01 Christmas morning.  Is this the only passenger train in service on the 25th?

Not running beyond Salisbury:

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20:20 London Waterloo to Exeter St Davids due 00:01

This train will be terminated at Salisbury at 21:48.
Will be formed of 9 coaches instead of 6 between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids.
This train will no longer call at Tisbury, Gillingham Dorset, Templecombe, Sherborne, Yeovil Junction, Crewkerne, Axminster, Honiton, Feniton, Whimple, Pinhoe, Exeter Central and Exeter St Davids.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.

I would still like to see a 7 day, 24 hour railway, though Christmas Day is a different case.  I noted a comment earlier on this thread (?) about how the railways have to start up at 04:30 every morning, and suggesting that was operationally very clever and quite challenging.   Now ... it strikes me there's a solution to that  ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 24, 2012, 11:09:33
Updated at 10:26 as I was typing my post!   >:(


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Tim on December 24, 2012, 11:47:43
both lines at Teignmouth now shut by landslip.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 24, 2012, 11:54:35
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All stations between Swindon and Bristol Parkway will not be served

Which stations are those then?  ::)


OK - I know you're joking but there's a serious question that sprung to my mind - WHY are there none?

There use to be:

Hay Lane
Royal Wootton Bassett (know as "Wootton Bassett" when open)
Brinkworth
Little Somerford
Hullavington
Badminton
Chipping Sodbury
Coalpit Heath
Winterbourne

But none has had any service for years - first to close was Hay Lane on 31st May 1841, and last to close was Badminton on 3rd June 1968.

Cases could be made for certain re-openings once we have the improve accelleration of electric trains ... Royal Wootton Bassett (but there a station may be best to the west of the junction, on the Chippenham line), and I muse about Hullavington; a station where the A429 crosses the railway, just a mile from the M4.  With plentiful long term parking provided, this could be a serious magnet for new rail customers from further west spending a day or a week in London. With half hourly stops on the new Bristol to London via Parkway service, the new service would have an extra traffic source, and the service speed would become such that it would be every 15 minutes from London to Brstol and back, all services taking the same time, so regular clock-face all the way.

Hullavington station would, undoubtedly, attract custom from other stations which are used for London commutes.  However, many of those were never designed to be easy to drive to and park at, and they're creaking at the seams at times.  What a good idea to provide extra capacity where it's better capacity too, and relieve the other stations a little for their more local traffic growth.


If you were to relocate Hay Lane just to the swindon side of the M4 it could serve West Swindon. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 24, 2012, 11:57:28
Reading bound line now closed between Taunton and Castle Cary due to flooding.  Is that Athelney?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 24, 2012, 11:59:13
It gets worse.

According to JourneyCheck reduced speed between Yate & Cam & Dursley due to flooding.  


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 24, 2012, 13:18:33
And worse still all lines blocked between Hereford and Great Malvern due to flooding according to Journey Check


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 24, 2012, 13:25:25
If you were to relocate Hay Lane just to the swindon side of the M4 it could serve West Swindon. 

Yes, but you might be so close to Swindon which would be the main destination that you would need a very frequent service indeed for it to work. Which leads to issues of capacity of the line (if extra trains) / complaints about stopping trains at "all the shacks" and a very short peak journey loading (if the London trains stopped). I'm conscious that the first local station out of large town / city terminals is often poorly patronised - Bedminster, Devonport, Ardwick, Manors, Dunston, Slateford ... Haymarket in Ediburgh works because everything stops there and it's really "West City" to Waverley's "East City"


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 24, 2012, 13:38:09
And worse still all lines blocked between Hereford and Great Malvern due to flooding according to Journey Check

To summarise the current position ... mostly due to flooding ... ongoing line incidents are between:

Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot
Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway
Hereford and Great Malvern
Liskeard and Looe
Par and Newquay
Swindon and Bristol Parkway
Taunton and Castle Cary
Yate and Cam & Dursley


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 24, 2012, 14:31:21
Just to reply to The Grecian and others, stopping trains at reduced length platforms is old hat to SWT and pax are herded (very nicely) into front portions if needed (e.g. Tisbury).

So my suggestion seems to have been taken up.  If this gets prolonged, it would seem sensible to have the 'flighting' of FGW trains to Yeovil Jcn put in as a 'temporary' institution, including training of staff?

On the Plymouth to Exeter route, I am sure old lags like me remember when WR and SR staff trained via Teignmouth and Okehampton?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: John R on December 24, 2012, 15:01:47
Just noticed a curiosity on the Temple Meads departure board. Two trains departing at 1500 for Paddington, the usual service from platform 15 , and from Platform 7 one calling at Reading only (from Tiverton Parkway.)  I can't recall that happening before.



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Exeter on December 24, 2012, 18:32:54
I took full advantage of that 15.00 additional non-stop to Reading. It was a diverted service due to flooding between Taunton and Castle Cary. Just caught it at Bristol where we left alongside the other 15.00 and I stepped off it at Paddington at 16.20 - it was quite a "lively" run - never been through Chippenham that fast before! Seriously though, only 80 mins to Paddington shows what can be done!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 24, 2012, 21:17:32
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20830618):

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Devon and Cornwall floods continue to cause disruption

About 30 homes have been flooded in a Devon village as heavy rain continues to cause problems in the South West. Twenty-five people were led to safety by emergency services in the village of Stoke Canon, Exeter, after the River Exe burst its banks.

One severe flood warning remains in place in Cornwall and around 170 flood warnings in England and Wales.

Another band of bad weather is expected from Sunday evening into the early hours of Monday, Cornwall Council says.

In Stoke Canon some residents were evacuated from their properties and taken to a rescue centre and 11 people, including a baby, were rescued from an isolated farmhouse. All were unharmed.

Resident Lucy Kirk said: "Obviously you've lost your home, you've lost all your belongings and obviously you're never going to replace some of the valuables that you've had. It's upsetting."

Sgt Andy Squires, from Devon and Cornwall Police, said: "It's tragic, it really is, but you have to take some comfort from the fact there's been no loss of life or serious injury. You've got people's Christmas presents washing around in the room with Christmas trees, it's just very sad"

Overnight, 12 people in the Cornish town of Lostwithiel were taken to a rescue centre by RNLI lifeboat.

In Umberleigh, Devon, a woman was rescued from a river after she was swept away from her car in flood water. A police helicopter, using thermal imaging equipment, found her clinging to a tree on the banks of the swollen River Taw, shortly after 03:00 GMT. It is believed she had been in the water for up to 50 minutes and was treated for exposure. Robin Goodlad, from the RNLI said: "She's extremely lucky. How she managed to hold on in that flow for that amount of time, I have no idea." A man and a child who remained trapped in the car were rescued by firefighters.

Elsewhere, four people and two dogs trapped in two flooded properties in Bishops Tawton, near Barnstaple, were rescued overnight by a fire crew and RNLI in-shore boat.

In Lostwithiel, fire crews stayed overnight amid fears that further flooding would occur at high tide at 01:00 GMT but the rain eased off. The BBC's John Henderson said the River Fowey had dropped by about 1.5m on Sunday morning and the clean-up operation had begun. A high volume pump, capable of clearing a tonne of water a second, was used to clear flood water from the town. The pump will be used later in Helston, Cornwall, where dozens of homes were flooded when the River Cober broke its banks on Saturday.

Train services throughout the region have been severely disrupted with services between Plymouth, Exeter St Davids and Taunton suspended.

Network Rail said one of two plastic dams set up to protect the railway line at Exeter to minimise flood damage is itself now under water.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64922000/jpg/_64922644_64922643.jpg)
One of two plastic dams set up to protect the railway line at Exeter to minimise flood damage is itself now under water.

First Great Western said the Exeter to Tiverton Parkway line would not reopen until Friday 28 at the earliest and it was hoped the Exeter St Davids to Barnstaple and Liskeard to Looe lines would reopen on 29 December. The company said where possible it was operating replacement bus services.

Residents in Pilton, near Barnstaple, may have to be evacuated if flood water from the River Yeo reaches their homes, the council has warned. Emergency accommodation is being provided at Pilton Community College.

With more rain expected, rivers in the South West will struggle to cope, the Environment Agency warns. Nick Ely, from the agency, said: "Wherever the rain falls, the rivers will respond quickly. We have problems with 'flashy' rivers in Cornwall... where the rivers respond very rapidly with lots of run-off. We also have these problems with the catchments being so wet, that our bigger rivers... are also filling up and rising very rapidly".

In Braunton the clean-up operation has started after about 30 homes and 20 businesses were flooded on Saturday by more than a metre of water. Business owner, Jason Little, said: "I'm devastated. I was hoping to go and see my parents and family in Kent, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. People are trying to get back on their feet as soon as possible."

Hugh Griffith, from Devon County Council, said it was due to inspect several bridges which had been damaged by floodwater. He said: "Collard bridge in Snapper near Goodleigh has gone down and we've got a number of other bridges that have been under water. We've got people looking at the foundations. A lot of our bridges are on rock so they should be fairly safe but a lot of damage can be caused by different tidal situations and debris within the water."

Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service said it had attended 68 flooding-related incidents on Saturday and seven on Sunday.

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Residents in Pilton, near Barnstaple ...

Erm, no, BBC: In Somerset, I think, is where you'll find Pilton.  ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 24, 2012, 21:36:52
A further update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20835094):

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Flood fears heightened by new downpours

Rain has returned to south-west England, bringing flooding and high river levels to areas already saturated by heavy downpours. Christmas Eve was wet in parts of England, Wales and Scotland, with Wales and the South East of England set for a very wet Christmas Day.

The rail network in the South West of England suffered major disruption. Operator First Great Western advised customers not to attempt to travel west of Taunton in either direction.

The Environment Agency has issued about 160 flood warnings and more than 260 flood alerts for all regions in England and in Wales, with most in place across the Midlands and south-west England. Up to 30mm of rain was expected on Monday in south-west England, where some 57 of the flood warnings remained in place into the evening.

Christmas Eve on the rail network saw services from London Paddington towards Exeter and the West of England terminating at Tiverton, with limited road transport continuing to Newton Abbot via Exeter St Davids.

First Great Western said trains were unable to operate between Tiverton Parkway Station and Exeter St Davids, and between Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot.

Services from Penzance and Plymouth, towards Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddington, are terminating at Newton Abbot, again with limited road transport on to Tiverton via Exeter. It says the road replacement service is limited "as this is being hampered by flooded roads and only a reduced number of vehicles being available". The closed section of line is not expected to reopen until Friday.

There are delays to journeys between London and south Wales, with a diversion to avoid flooding at Swindon adding about 45 minutes to travel times.

Flooding Minister Richard Benyon told BBC Radio 4's The World At One: "I'm really impressed with the way the emergency services, the Environment Agency, the local authorities are working together, and humbled by the incredible community spirit in places like Braunton (in Devon). There are going to be houses flooded in the future, we have just got to be better at warning people, we have got to be smarter at how we build defences (and) what defences we build. Government is doing a lot better, we have always got to learn from every single flood and realise it's the most miserable experience for people to have their homes flooded, and it's very damaging to the economy as well," he added.

Professor David Balmforth, a flooding specialist at the Institution of Civil Engineers, told the programme: "We know in the future global warming will make the sorts of flood events we have seen here become much more frequent and much more severe so some of the older (flood) defences which might have been fit for purpose at the time may not be quite so effective in the present day."

Environment Agency director of operations David Jordan said: "Flooding is devastating at any time of year, but it is particularly hard at Christmas time, and our thoughts are with those who will be out of their homes over the festive period. Although the rain is set to ease a little in the coming days, the ground is still very wet and river levels remain high, so we would ask people to keep up to date with the latest warnings and stay prepared for flooding."

He also reminded people not to walk or drive through floodwater.

A number of other key routes - including the A1(M) in Hertfordshire, the M6 in Cumbria and Staffordshire and the M5 near Bristol - were also struck by weather-related delays.

Reduced train services were operating on the West Coast line, and flooding had also disrupted CrossCountry, East Midlands Trains, First Great Western (FGW), First TransPennine Express and ScotRail services.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 24, 2012, 21:48:26

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Residents in Pilton, near Barnstaple ...

Erm, no, BBC: In Somerset, I think, is where you'll find Pilton.  ::)

Strangely, I was in Pilton on Saturday, and I was definitely in Devon. It is a suburb of Barnstaple on the way to Braunton. I think Mrs FTN and I must have got out in the nick of time.

There is, of course, another Pilton, on the island of Avalon.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 25, 2012, 00:26:22
Strangely, I was in Pilton on Saturday, and I was definitely in Devon. It is a suburb of Barnstaple on the way to Braunton.

It is indeed.  My apologies to the BBC: I should have referred to my extensive range of Ordnance Survey maps before posting.  ::) :-[


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 25, 2012, 02:34:47
Strangely, I was in Pilton on Saturday, and I was definitely in Devon. It is a suburb of Barnstaple on the way to Braunton.

It is indeed.  My apologies to the BBC: I should have referred to my extensive range of Ordnance Survey maps before posting.  ::) :-[

And, in case this happens in other parts of Barnstaple, we have bits called Newport and Derby as well!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 25, 2012, 07:49:29
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20840752):

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Christmas Day showers add to flood risk

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2012 looks set to be one of the UK's wettest years since records began

Wet weather is set to continue until at least Friday, potentially bringing further flooding to parts of the UK, weather forecasters have predicted.

Heavy showers and gusty winds will move eastwards across England and Wales on Christmas Day, but parts of central and eastern Scotland should stay dry. The Environment Agency (EA) said many places will stay on flood alert despite a slight easing of weather conditions. More than 470 properties have been flooded since Wednesday, the EA said.

Water levels are still rising on some of Britain's longest rivers, such as the Thames and the Severn, the agency added.

At Ironbridge in Shropshire, temporary flood barriers have been put up along the Severn to keep householders dry on Christmas Day.

Dorset is the area most likely to experience more flooding on Christmas Day, due to rising groundwater levels, officials have warned.

The agency has issued more than 160 flood warnings and 260 flood alerts for England and Wales, with most concentrated in the Midlands and southern counties of England. In Scotland, which is expected to see some respite from the rain on Wednesday, there are 12 flood warnings and 7 flood alerts. More than 18,000 calls have been made to the EA's Floodline service in the past six days.

David Jordan, director of operations at the agency, said: "Although the rain is set to ease a little in the coming days, the ground is still very wet and river levels remain high, so we would ask people to keep up to date with the latest warnings and stay prepared for flooding".

Most rail operators do not run services on Christmas Day, but disruption to train services caused by flooding and landslides is set to continue.

Trains will not run between Manchester Oxford Road and Liverpool Lime Street until Thursday due to a landslip at Glazebrook.

Meanwhile the railway line between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway will not reopen until Friday at the earliest, while only a limited replacement bus service will operate.

On the motorways, the eastbound carriageway of the A27 is closed at Chichester in West Sussex and is not expected to reopen until Boxing Day.

In Wales, the A487 is closed in both directions between Machynlleth and Derwenlas due to flooding but should reopen later on Christmas morning.

Met Office figures suggest 2012 is set to be one of the wettest years since records began in 1910. Before December, the average rainfall for the year so far was 1,202mm - placing it 13th in the list of wettest years. Due to the deluge of rain in the run up to Christmas, forecasters say 2012 is now likely to finish with one of the highest rainfall totals on record. The year 2000 remains the UK's wettest year, with an average rainfall of 1,337mm.

BBC forecaster Matt Taylor said: "The weather is lacking a little bit of festive cheer at the moment. On Boxing Day, more wet weather will push in from the south-west. While any rain is not welcome at the moment, at least the strong winds will push the rain away from the south-west quite smartly".

He concluded: "It really doesn't end."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 25, 2012, 10:50:02

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Residents in Pilton, near Barnstaple ...

Erm, no, BBC: In Somerset, I think, is where you'll find Pilton.  ::)

Strangely, I was in Pilton on Saturday, and I was definitely in Devon. It is a suburb of Barnstaple on the way to Braunton. I think Mrs FTN and I must have got out in the nick of time.

There is, of course, another Pilton, on the island of Avalon.
There is a Pilton near to Swindon where, I think, there may have been a station on the former Cheltenham to Southampton route.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 25, 2012, 11:43:55
Think you might mean Purton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 25, 2012, 14:36:39

And, in case this happens in other parts of Barnstaple, we have bits called Newport and Derby as well!

There are two Filleighs within 10 miles.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 25, 2012, 17:28:02
Think you might mean Purton.
Yes. My mistake.   Bad one as I have actually been there.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on December 25, 2012, 17:39:39
What's this with the former Cheltenham to Southampton route.  Had to think twice about that.  Thought initially you were thinking about the closed MSWJ line, which went from Cheltenham to Andover.  Then, when bobm pointed out it was Purton I remembered that the two direct Southampton trains a day from Swindon come down from Cheltenham. 

So you could call it a Cheltenham  to Southampton route, but certainly not the former Cheltenham to Southampton route though.

We normally think of it as the Swindon to Gloucester line, but if you wanted to call it the former anything it is the former South Wales main line. 

Happy Christmas



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 25, 2012, 18:13:59
Was thinking of the former MSWJ Line.  Did not some trains runthrough to Southampton beyond Andover ?   Straying off topic now though so AFAIK an close this subject re Purton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 25, 2012, 22:40:26
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20830618):

Devon and Cornwall floods continue to cause disruption

About 30 homes have been flooded in a Devon village as heavy rain continues to cause problems in the South West. Twenty-five people were led to safety by emergency services in the village of Stoke Canon, Exeter, after the River Exe burst its banks.

My heart goes out to everyone in Stoke Canon, I used to live there  :-\.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 26, 2012, 09:59:05
We are indeed straying ... however, the Cheltenham -> Southampton situation is:

There are currently (Monday to Friday, not holiday times) direct trains from Cheltenham to Southmapton at 11:32 (vis Bristol) and at 17:40 (via Swindon).  There's also an 05:18 from GLOUCESTER via Swindon.  In the return direction, the are trains at 08:23, 10:42, and 12:27 ... they all run via Bristol, as the northbound TransWilts trains only start from Westbury, even though the southbound ones go to Southampton on Monday to Friday.

In 1954 (a year for which I have Bradshaw's), there were two direct trains via the MSWJ line, at 10:11 and 13:56 southbound, and at 10:27 and 16:43 northbound (I have not researched other direct trains on other routes in 1954)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 26, 2012, 16:07:30
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20842890):

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Flood warnings remain as wet weather continues

Flood warnings remain in place across England and Wales, amid ongoing weather warnings and icy roads in Scotland. It comes as a West Highland road was closed after a landslide and a rare landslide and rockfall warning was issued for south-west England by the British Geological Survey.

Fire crews say they have prevented flood water damaging an electrical substation near Reading, in Berkshire. Power cuts in Reading and south Oxfordshire may have been averted. Some 40,000 properties in the area were in danger of losing power.

The Environment Agency has about 120 flood warnings and more than 220 flood alerts in place in England and Wales. There are no flood warnings in Scotland.

In other developments:
- Forecasters have predicted that wet weather is set to continue until at least Friday, potentially bringing further flooding to parts of the UK
- The closure of the A890 at Stromeferry, in West Highlands, on Christmas Day due to a landslide has led to a diversion for drivers of almost 150 miles
- Thirteen families have been advised to leave their homes after a landslip at Ystalyfera, in the upper Swansea valley.

The British Geological Survey (BGS), along with other agencies, feeds information into the Hazard Warning Centre at the Met Office in Exeter. The South West Coastal Path, which covers most of the Dorset, Devon, Cornwall and Somerset coasts, runs through areas which are potentially at risk. The BGS has concerns about the stability of cliffs because of recent heavy rain. And amid fears for walkers, it urges extra caution near cliff edges.

The Met Office said an area of heavy rain would move across the country during the day. It said that given the continuing saturated state of the ground this may lead to further localised flooding. Some icy stretches are expected to form overnight, especially on surfaces where showers have washed off salt treatments. The Met Office said this could lead to difficult driving conditions.

BBC weather forecaster Jay Wynne said Friday will see the western half of Britain experience gale force winds and heavy rain later in the day, with weather warnings extending from the South West to the North West. This weekend will be windy everywhere with some heavy rain, the heaviest being in southern England and Wales, he added.

The Environment Agency has said many places will stay on flood alert despite a slight easing of weather conditions.

Met Office figures suggest 2012 is set to be one of the wettest years since records began in 1910. Before December, the average rainfall for the year so far was 1,202mm - placing it 13th in the list of wettest years. Due to the deluge of rain in the run up to Christmas, forecasters say 2012 is now likely to finish with one of the highest rainfall totals on record. The year 2000 remains the UK's wettest year, with an average rainfall of 1,337mm.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: phile on December 27, 2012, 16:39:22
Now Exmouth Branch closed beyond Topsham.  Necessary to carry out repairs to a bridge due water damage.   Have read elsewhere may not return to normal until New Year.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 27, 2012, 17:41:50
Better news from the Bristol Evening Post. (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Rail-track-Bristol-Exter-set-reopen-tomorrow/story-17693299-detail/story.html)

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Rail track between Bristol and Exter set to reopen tomorrow


TRAIN services between Bristol and Exeter that had been disrupted due to flooding will start running again at 12pm tomorrow - 18 hours ahead of schedule.

The service had been affected because the River Exe burst its banks and caused damage to the track.

A spokesperson for Network Rail said lessons had been learned from flooding last month allowing them to get rail users back on track far more quickly.

They said train operators Cross Country and First Great Western have been advised that both tracks between Bristol and Exeter will be available for use.

The Network Rail spokesperson said: "We have learned some lessons from the flooding in November and done some things differently.

"There's nothing that we could do to prevent the River Exe bursting its banks and causing the track damage ^ but we have done some things proactively to minimise damage to the signalling.

"In November it took three or four days to fix the track where the ballast had washed away, but nearly three weeks to repair the damage to the signalling equipment.

"This time we used temporary dams to divert the flow of the water away from the lineside signalling equipment.

"This is the first time this technology has ever been used on the railway in Britain and it seems to have helped contain the damage well so far.

"We also removed some of the lineside signalling equipment such as the point operating equipment at Cowley Bridge Junction and stored it in a dry place so that it can be reinstalled undamaged after the water's gone down.

"We've also been working closely with the Met Office and the Environment Agency to keep up to date with the predicted river levels.

"A lot of network operations people have worked tirelessly through the Christmas holiday period when they hadn't planned to, restoring the railway as quickly as possible."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 27, 2012, 18:08:28
Clearly tremendous work being done.  One just hopes that there will be some serious thought given to getting beyond sandbags when time permits.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2012, 18:09:22
Organised chaos was the best way to describe Taunton station this afternoon. I've never seen the place so busy.

What impressed me most though was a very visible staff presence. I counted 6 members of staff on Platform 2 as well as a further 2 doing replacement coach co-ordination. There were two members of staff by the (open) gateline at the main entrance as well as all ticket windows manned.

Only thing amiss were the recorded announcements. They were struggling to keep up with the delays, cancellations and platform alterations. What would have been useful here were local announcements, ideally a system like that used on the Underground were platform staff use a microphone patched in direct to the PA. That way platform staff would have been able to shout the necessary "Please allow people to disembark before attempting to board", "Please stand back", "Please keep access to the stairways clear" and so on. All of those announcements were needed.

I stayed out by the bus stop having a smoke until a couple of minutes before my train (A terminating and turning round CrossCountry) pulled in.

I fully expected sardine can conditions, and wasn't disappointed. I had a 1st Class ticket and seat reservation, but gave up my seat to an elderly lady who was travelling further than me. She was full of thanks and my chivalrous action was noted by a couple of other younger travellers who followed my lead and also gave up seats for the more mature traveller. They joined me in standing in the disabled area of the 1st Class carriage. We were all rewarded for our actions by the lady who took my seat. She passed round her travel sweets!

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Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 27, 2012, 18:40:42
What would have been useful here were local announcements, ideally a system like that used on the Underground were platform staff use a microphone patched in direct to the PA. That way platform staff would have been able to shout the necessary "Please allow people to disembark before attempting to board", "Please stand back", "Please keep access to the stairways clear" and so on. All of those announcements were needed.

My understanding is that local station staff do potentially have that facility - but it's subject to them having access to the necessary handsets and security logins, which may not be readily accessible without the attendance of the local manager ...  ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 27, 2012, 18:44:42
They certainly have it on Platform 7 at Reading and make good use if it during the current works which have narrowed it.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2012, 18:48:44
An update from First Great Western at 1730 this evening as posted on Facebook:

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Service Disruption 27th December 2012 Update: 17:30

London Paddington

After earlier disruption on services starting at London Paddington due to over running engineering works in the Maidenhead area. We now have two lines open and are working to resume our advertised timetable. However, due to continuing problems with repair on the further two lines Network Rail are unable to give back the lines. We shall now work on the two lines until close of service today. This will reduce some services on Local stopping trains and High Speed Services.

West of England services Information:

We are still experiencing flooding in the following areas:

Exeter to Tiverton

Trains continue to be unable to operate between Tiverton Parkway Station and Exeter St Davids. Therefore, High Speed services from Penzance, Plymouth, towards Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddington will terminate at Exeter St Davids with road transport toTiverton for rail connections onwards.

High Speed Services from London Paddington towards Exeter St Davids and the West of England will terminate at Tiverton with road transport to Exeter St Davids for onward rail connections. Services arriving after 22:00 into Tiverton will have no road transport due to the unavailabilty of coaches in the area.

The line between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton is expected to reopen on 29th December.

Other Service Information:

Services between Exeter St Davids and Exmouth are disrupted due to flooding in the Lympstone area. Services will start and terminate at Topsham with road transport operating between Topsham and Stations to Exmouth in both directions. Services will remain disrupted until after the New Year.

Services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple are currently operated by road transport and this will continue for the rest of today. The line is expected to be closed until at least 29th December.

Services between Liskeard and Looe are suspended in both directions with limited road transport operating between Liskead and Looe only. We are unable to access intermediate Stations due to road conditions. Services will remain disrupted until after the New Year.

See www.journeycheck.com/firstgreatwestern for further updates..

First Great Western advises customers to check travel plans before leaving home due to the current weather conditions and to only travel if essential.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 27, 2012, 19:35:36
I can understand their caution but late afternoon services from Cornwall and west Devon tomorrow are currently shown as cancelled on Journeyplanner. Hopefully they can be reinstated if Cowley Bridge reopens at lunchtime and the last Penzance to London Paddington via Bristol will run.  Hoping to make a flying visit to Swindon and then back down on Saturday morning.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on December 27, 2012, 23:56:59
Must say the staff down west today were brilliant. Big staff presence at Exeter helping out with passengers, connections were being held between buses and trains, and trains and other trains and the free tea, coffee and biscuits available as you made your way from the buses to the trains was certainly a nice touch.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: brompton rail on December 28, 2012, 14:55:43
Services are now running through Cowley Bridge. Don't know which was the first, but it seems the first northbound XC was 12.24 from Plymouth - now on its way north of Bristol. Left BRI (Temple Meads) only about 16 down according to live times. Great work by Network Rail staff, just hope tonight/tomorrow's forecast bad weather doesn't undo the good work.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on December 28, 2012, 16:27:56
Another great performance from railway staff (and I'm guessing contractors) in doing a 'King Canute' at Cowley Bridge and a 'Hercules' at the Teignmouth cliff.  There's no doubt that there are many committed people who serve us in very challenging ways on and off the trains. Earlier I wondered whether we had seen such disruption since 1945.  I know it's difficult to compare, but the speed and persistence (in the face of repeated severe weather) of our railway engineers and operating staff to keep the system safe and usable is an equivalent  attitude to that displayed the dark days of the 1940s, I think. (Minus the bombs, thank God.)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on December 28, 2012, 16:39:23
Totally agree with foregoing.  It is blowing a fierce gale down here on the coast, so fingers crossed for this weekend.  The XC site is a bit vague compared with FGW's.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 28, 2012, 16:41:58
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20856349):

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Devon main line reopened after flooding

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Network Rail said its engineers "worked tirelessly through the Christmas holiday period" to repair the track after the flooding

The main railway line connecting the South West to the rest of England has reopened after closing for a week due to flooding. The line was blocked between Tiverton Parkway and Exeter St David's when the River Exe swamped Cowley Bridge Junction on Saturday. Passengers endured severe disruption as buses replaced trains.

Network Rail reopened the line on Friday afternoon after repairs and said a normal service would resume. The company said its engineers "worked tirelessly through the Christmas holiday period" to repair the track. Plastic dams protected signalling at Cowley Bridge where workers have been replacing ballast, which was washed away, from under the tracks.

Some branch line services in Devon and Cornwall are still closed.

A Network Rail spokesperson said: "We have learned some lessons from the flooding in November and done some things differently. There's nothing that we could do to prevent the River Exe bursting its banks and causing the track damage - but we have done some things proactively to minimise damage to the signalling."

In Devon, the Barnstaple to Exeter branch line remains closed.

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The track was damaged following heavy rain

Ballast has been washed out in several locations and the line is not expected to open until after New Year's Day.

Network Rail said it did not have a date for the reopening of the Exeter to Exmouth branch line. It closed after parts of the line were flushed out by heavy rain at Lympstone.

In Cornwall the Liskeard to Looe branch line remains closed but is under repair and Network Rail said it hoped to reopen the line within the next few days.

Services between Par and Newquay are operating on a reduced timetable.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 28, 2012, 17:09:27
From ThisIsDevon (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Update-Trainline-Exeter-Taunton-reopens/story-17693688-detail/story.html):

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Update: Trainline between Exeter and Taunton reopens

The Exeter and Taunton line has now reopened and a normal service will now resume.

​Some long overdue good news came to South West train users on Thursday evening with the announcement that services between Exeter and Taunton will start running again at 12pm on Friday - 18 hours ahead of schedule. The service had been affected because the River Exe burst its banks and caused damage to the track.

Network Rail have said that the use of temporary dams (see video) are to thank for the quick recovery. A Network Rail spokesperson said: "We have learned some lessons from the flooding in November and done some things differently. There's nothing that we could do to prevent the River Exe bursting its banks and causing the track damage ^ but we have done some things proactively to minimise damage to the signalling.

"In November it took three or four days to fix the track where the ballast had washed away, but nearly three weeks to repair the damage to the signalling equipment. This time we used temporary dams to divert the flow of the water away from the lineside signaling equipment. This is the first time this technology has ever been used on the railway in Britain and it seems to have helped contain the damage well so far.

"We also removed some of the lineside signaling equipment such as the point operating equipment at Cowley Bridge Junction and stored it in a dry place so that it can be reinstalled undamaged after the water's gone down.

"We've also been working closely with the Met Office and the Environment Agency to keep up to date with the predicted river levels.

"A lot of network operations people have worked tirelessly through the Christmas holiday period when they hadn't planned to, restoring the railway as quickly as possible."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 28, 2012, 19:18:47
From FGW on Twitter:
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Services are now able to run to/from Exmouth. Delays of up to 15mins due to speed restrictions. This is due to earlier flooding.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on December 28, 2012, 20:57:11
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17:55 London Paddington to Penzance due 23:14 This train will call additionally at Tiverton Parkway.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.

 :)

Lots of people drove up from Cornwall and Devon to Parkway while the trains were suspended, and now want to get back home?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 28, 2012, 21:45:32
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17:55 London Paddington to Penzance due 23:14 This train will call additionally at Tiverton Parkway.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.

 :)

Lots of people drove up from Cornwall and Devon to Parkway while the trains were suspended, and now want to get back home?

Taking the car as hand luggage, maybe?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Super Guard on December 28, 2012, 21:50:23
Only thing amiss were the recorded announcements. They were struggling to keep up with the delays, cancellations and platform alterations. What would have been useful here were local announcements, ideally a system like that used on the Underground were platform staff use a microphone patched in direct to the PA. That way platform staff would have been able to shout the necessary "Please allow people to disembark before attempting to board", "Please stand back", "Please keep access to the stairways clear" and so on. All of those announcements were needed.

I had the joy of terminating at Taunton last Saturday and was told by station staff when I arrived they had a problem making the manual PA announcements at the station.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 28, 2012, 22:12:15
Well I got through on the 17:41 from Newton Abbot and alighted at Westbury.  No problems - service was a few minutes late at NTA but didn't lose anymore en route.

Service was not too heavily loaded.

Fingers crossed the return tomorrow morning is as good.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 29, 2012, 22:03:06
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20865487):

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More Dorset and Devon landslips amid further rain

Coastguards have been dealing with a number of landslips and mudslides in Dorset and Devon as more rain falls across the region.

In Lyme Regis, a beach chalet has been left dangling over the edge of a cliff following land movement.

Parts of the beach in Charmouth has seen cliff falls and mudslides while a section of coastal path in Portland is "particularly vulnerable".

Cliffs in Swanage are continuing to move, putting beach huts at risk.

Warning signs were put in place in the town after two landslips just over a week ago.

Simon Dennis, from Portland Coastguard, said: "The current weather means water is draining from land very rapidly, causing a layer to form in cracks on cliffs. Large sections of our coast are now very vulnerable to movement, and even in drier weather, any sharp frost would bring expansion behind sections of cliff causing further falls. Areas of mudslide are prone to drying out and forming a crust. Although these may look solid, they will not support a person's weight."

Charlotte Blackman, 22, from Heanor, Derbyshire, died on 24 July after the 160ft (49m) high cliff above her collapsed on to Hive Beach near Burton Bradstock.

Five people escaped unhurt after a landslide on 8 August between Charmouth and Golden Cap.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 30, 2012, 18:11:12
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20870765):

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Met Office: More heavy rain and wind expected

A warning of heavy rain and strong winds overnight for Devon and Cornwall has been issued.

The Met Office has released a yellow warning, indicating there could be flooding and disruption in some areas. It said the most persistent heavy rain was likely to affect areas of high ground in western parts exposed to the very strong south-westerly winds.

The Environment Agency has 17 flood warnings in place across the two counties. The flood warning on the River Cober in Helston, Cornwall, has been in place since Christmas Eve.

On Saturday four new flood warnings were issued for Devon by the Environment Agency. It said flooding was expected around the River Teign between Chudleigh and Kingsteignton. The agency has also issued warnings for the River Dart from Buckfastleigh to Totnes and the River Torridge from Dolton to Bideford.

Branch line problems

A warning has been issued for the River Yarty from Yarcombe to Axminster, including Long Bridge, Case Bridge, Beckford Bridge and Yarty Bridge.

In Devon, the Barnstaple to Exeter branch line remains closed. It is not expected to reopen until after New Year's Day.

Network Rail said it did not have a date for the reopening of the Exeter to Exmouth branch line. It closed after parts of the line were flushed out by heavy rain at Lympstone.

In Cornwall, the Liskeard to Looe branch line remains closed but is under repair and Network Rail said it hoped to reopen the line within the next few days.

Services between Par and Newquay are operating on a reduced timetable.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 30, 2012, 18:28:48
I'm on the 19:57 tonight from PAD - PLY... Wonder how successful that'll be... :-X


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 30, 2012, 18:33:29
The Exeter to Exmouth line is open albeit with a speed restriction. I know someone who travelled on it! 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 30, 2012, 18:38:19
Indeed - from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Topsham and Exmouth.

Owing to flooding earlier between Topsham and Exmouth trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 mins or revised at short notice. Disruption is expected until 09:00 03/01.

Message Received: 30/12/2012 17:49


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: thetrout on December 30, 2012, 18:57:58
Well at the moment I'm not going anywhere... Signal Failure between Liverpool Street and Aldgate... Been sat on the Westbound Platform for more than 15 minutes and seen several trains all heading eastbound! >:(


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 31, 2012, 13:52:16
From First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Swindon and Bristol Parkway.
Owing to a landslip between Swindon and Bristol Parkway, Bristol bound lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 35 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
South Wales bound trains will run on the other line between Swindon and Bristol Parkway or may divert via an alternative route with an extended journey time.
Message Received: 31/12/2012 13:28


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 31, 2012, 14:30:06
Another update, from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Topsham and Exmouth.
Owing to flooding earlier between Topsham and Exmouth trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 5 mins at short notice. Disruption is expected until 09:00 03/01.
Train services will continue to run at reduced speed over a bridge which suffered some damage during the recent flooding. However, the schedules for services on that line are such that they are resulting in only a very few minor delays.
Message Received: 31/12/2012 13:48


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: onthecushions on December 31, 2012, 21:09:20

Looking at some old photos of Cowley Bridge Junction, the bridge appears to have been moved up the Barnstaple branch since steam days. Oddly enough, the main wash-out seems to occur over the old bridge site!

A more drastic version of this took place in Madeira, where a river was moved to allow road improvements. After the last big storm, the road had gone and the river restored to its natural route!

The siting of electrical substations also seems to neglect nature with HV gear being sited at ground level barely a metre above nearby water courses. Reading district nearly lost power over the holiday because the site at Pingewood (alongside the railway, approx 38m60c) was threatened, only Corporation sandbags and two fire engines saving the day. The three sites at Gloucester were threatened last time, one being a 400kV supergrid station, only the crew of HMS Ocean coming to the rescue.

Are concrete plinths that expensive?


OTC


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 16:47:31
I guess it would make sense to use plinths in any new or replacement installation, even if there is only a once a century chance of a flood. You can two of those in a week these days. The resignalling and electrification works give a good opportunity to strengthen the electrical infrastructure for the future at a relatively low cost - I hope someone is thinking about this?

(From the Uxbridge English Dictionary: "Plinth - The Artiste with two different speech impediments")


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: vacmanfan on January 03, 2013, 13:47:06
Only thing amiss were the recorded announcements. They were struggling to keep up with the delays, cancellations and platform alterations. What would have been useful here were local announcements, ideally a system like that used on the Underground were platform staff use a microphone patched in direct to the PA. That way platform staff would have been able to shout the necessary "Please allow people to disembark before attempting to board", "Please stand back", "Please keep access to the stairways clear" and so on. All of those announcements were needed.

This would certainly be a great addition to a lot of stations.  Although most stations have only just got new PA systems which are probably 10-15 years out of date technology..  Even if FGW put wired microphones into locked cabinets on platforms it would be a help. Nothing worse than having to sprint back over a footbridge to the office to make an announcement then sprint back...


Edited to attribute quote. bignosemac


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on January 09, 2013, 21:43:41
Transport Secretary puts rail track bosses under pressure over flooding (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/story-17798773-detail/story.html?) from Western Morning News Wednesday, January 09, 2013

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Rail track bosses have vowed to shore up the Westcountry's flood-hit lines after coming under pressure from Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin.

The pledge emerged after Network Rail, in charge of tracks and signals, published a ^5 billion investment plan for western Britain's infrastructure that offered few direct improvements in the peninsula ^ despite an explosion in rail travel in the region.

Heavy rain battered the region last year, with the main line at Cowley Bridge, near Exeter, failing three times ^ leaving the region marooned by rail.

Network Rail's 2014 to 2019 plan for the Western Route ^ a vast swathe of the country covering London to Oxford and Worcester and down to Bristol, Exeter and Penzance ^ offered little hope of immediate improvements to vulnerable stretches of line.

Instead, huge sums are being pumped into running more reliable electric trains ^ though they will go no further west than Bristol.

But it emerged last night Network Rail has been ordered by the Department for Transport to review 40 vulnerable sites on the route that cost up to ^20 million of emergency funding to repair.

Meanwhile, Transport Minister Norman Baker, visiting Exeter yesterday, promised to put "urgent pressure" on Network Rail to make long-term improvements at Cowley Bridge. Chris Aldridge, Network Rail's principal strategic planner on the Western Route, told the Western Morning News: "We are drawing up a plan to help to combat these types of events in the future because they will happen more and more."

Exeter Labour MP Ben Bradshaw said: "Given Devon and Cornwall have been cut off from the rest of the country for between a week and ten days twice in the space of a month recently, it is imperative that action is taken to address the flooding problem at Cowley Bridge."

Yesterday, South West Devon Tory MP Gary Streeter held talks at Westminster with Mr McLoughlin on the "unacceptable disconnection between Devon and Cornwall and the rest of the country".

He went on: "The minister has already held talks with Network Rail to ensure that rapid infrastructure solutions are found to better defend the vital rail link against future flooding events."

The five-year Western Route plan referenced Devon County Council's proposals for a "Devon Metro" ^ though rail officials said the plans remain council "aspirations" rather than firm commitments.

They include re-establishment of the Exeter to Okehampton service and reinstating the link between Tavistock and Bere Alston. Cornwall Council's proposed extension of the St Ives service to Penzance and additional Looe Valley line services are also on the radar.

Devon County Council's Conservative leader John Hart said: "I am delighted to see these proposals within the Network Rail plans."

Network Rail said passengers in the Westcountry would get improved journey times from easing the Reading bottleneck and electrification.

Patrick Hallgate, Network Rail route managing director, said: "This programme of investment will deliver the biggest investment in the Great Western main line since it was built 175 years ago."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on January 09, 2013, 21:58:40
Patrick McLoughlin (or his underling Norman Baker). AKA King Canute.  ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on January 09, 2013, 22:44:20
So while the railway industry comes up trumps in repairing the damage so swiftly all they get from grand-standing politicians is criticism for not being able to control nature and daring to place Devon and Cornwall so far from London.  I wonder if most voters are fooled by such huffing and puffing.  This one isn't.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on January 10, 2013, 16:31:56
Nor am I impressed, trainer.  'Putting pressure' would be better expressed as 'I have found the funds necessary and will make them available to NR while saluting the heroic efforts of the staff in December'.

That sounds better does it not? 



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: trainer on January 10, 2013, 17:17:54
It certainly sounds more collaborative and the great cry is 'partnership' these days.  Most people respond better to encouragement and praise than they do to pressure, constant carping and threats.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 10, 2013, 20:52:57
From the Western Morning News (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwall-B-amp-B-owner-calls-Great-Western-pay-ad/story-17798765-detail/story.html):

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Cornwall B&B owner calls on First Great Western to pay for ad campaign

A Cornish bed and breakfast owner is calling on First Great Western to fund a marketing campaign for the Westcountry as compensation for "closing down" the peninsula.

When a landslide as a result of severe flooding closed the rail line between Exeter and Tiverton for five days last month, train operator First Great Western advised passengers not to travel by rail to Devon and Cornwall.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275779/Article/images/17798765/4457491.jpg)
Sarah Horne of Roscrea B&B Bodmin

Sarah Horne, who has run the Roscrea B&B, in Bodmin, for the last eight years, lost a booking over Christmas as a result. Bookings for January and beyond are down on what she would expect. She blames it on FGW's "don't travel" message.

"I have lost out and so have quite a few other places," she complained. "How many people were there who didn't come down because they'd had the frighteners put on them? It seemed like they closed Cornwall down."

Miss Horne is now calling on FGW to fund a marketing campaign to promote the Westcountry to restore its reputation in the minds of visitors.

"The First Great Western website was just saying 'don't go'. That message is going to stick in people's heads and people do think about booking a holiday at this time of year," she said.

It comes as the region's business and political leaders continue to lobby for infrastructure investment to ensure that rail routes remain open in event of extreme weather.

Malcolm Bell, head of Visit Cornwall, said he would be adding Miss Horne's concerns to evidence being collated by the authorities to maintain this lobbying drive. He said he understood why FGW had advised people not to travel by rail ^ but he warned this could impact on tourism well into 2013.

"If consumers feel that transport links are unreliable it can make a difference about whether they decide to go. People can easily go to somewhere like Suffolk of the Cotswolds instead of Cornwall and the rest of the South West," he said.

But with no mention of upgrades to the flood-hit Cowley Bridge junction in Network Rail's Strategic Business Plan for 2014-19, which was released yesterday, Mr Bell acknowledged that such investment could be a long way off.

"We need to know that plans are in place. These things do take time but it's all about taking a step in the right direction. It may take time but if people know that things will be resolved they are willing to put up with them for a while," he added.

Tim Jones, chairman of the Devon and Somerset Local Enterprise Partnership, called on Network Rail to set out plans to protect the rail line from future extreme weather events. "We want to see a very clear plan for long-term resilience on the network. We have been seriously compromised on rail travel and we want to see long-term protection for Cowley Bridge," he said.

James Davis, a spokesman for FGW, said: "The closure of Cowley Bridge by Network Rail meant that we could not run train services into and out of the county and poor road conditions meant that we couldn't guarantee our customers would be able to complete their journeys by road. The right thing to do for our customers in these circumstances was to advise them not to travel unless absolutely necessary.

"We will continue to work with Devon and Cornwall tourism boards to promote the South West as a destination."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on January 10, 2013, 21:31:29
Network Rail pledge to Tiverton line improvements (http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/devon_news/10153303._/?) From this is the West Country


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A STRETCH of railway line through Tiverton is set for improvements as part of a project to sort out problem hotspots across the country.

Network Rail are looking at 40 sites in the South-West affected by the heavy rainfall in the past two months, which they say cost between ^10m to ^20m of emergency unbudgeted funding to put right.

A spokesman said: ^Whilst some schemes require improvements to drainage provision, sites such as the Cowley Bridge Junction will require a holistic view in conjunction with the Environment Agency to make sure we implement a fit-for-purpose solution.


^We are looking to raise the signalling equipment off the ground throughout to add robustness in the short term. We have also added boulders on the embankment to add some protection from washouts.

^Recent weather events related to extremely severe flooding in the South West are not specifically highlighted so we are looking at a separate exercise to review our response to the flooding.

^There are two dimensions to this. Firstly, in terms of asset resilience, we are reviewing all the areas we had problems with in November and December to see what we can do to restore services quicker in reaction to flooding.^

As part of wider meetings, Network Rail are holding a Devon stakeholder review in February to look at how to combat flooding on the tracks.

Network Rail^s strategic business plan for Wessex, which covers the route through Tiverton, has been submitted to the Office of Rail Regulation.

In April 2004, South West Trains ran 43,600 trains over four weeks but in April 2012, the total number of trains had risen to 45,646 trains all of Network Rail say has put added pressure on the infrastructure.

The spokesman added: ^To address this continuing increase in train movements, ^1.025billion will be spent on the infrastructure across the south and south west of England between 2014 and 2019 to make it more reliable and able to cope with the continued increase in use.^


I thought Tiverton was in Western not Wessex!


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on January 10, 2013, 21:39:32
Quote

^We are looking to raise the signalling equipment off the ground throughout to add robustness in the short term.


They must have read our detailed posts on that issue...   ;D

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: devon_metro on January 10, 2013, 21:48:16
Well I think Sarah Horne is simple after some free publicity.

Then again, FGW ought to pay, after all, they do control the weather  ::)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: eightf48544 on January 10, 2013, 21:48:40

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In April 2004, South West Trains ran 43,600 trains over four weeks but in April 2012, the total number of trains had risen to 45,646 trains all of Network Rail say has put added pressure on the infrastructure.


Translation please.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 11, 2013, 00:10:44

Quote

In April 2004, South West Trains ran 43,600 trains over four weeks but in April 2012, the total number of trains had risen to 45,646 trains all of Network Rail say has put added pressure on the infrastructure.


Translation please.

Just missing a comma, a preposition, a full stop, a start of a sentence in a way approved of by the English master of a secondary modern near Wigan, and maybe a conjunctive, or even a gerundive. But then I'm no leather-elbowed Grammar school teacher.  At least no-one said that we had loosed a service, or that they should of definately complained about a flagrant breach, or fragrant bleach, of there human rites.

Once your of learned English, its a peace of puss.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on January 11, 2013, 12:16:49
FTN
You could of warned me.  I am now deeply effected.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: vacmanfan on January 11, 2013, 14:30:37
Is this woman crazy?

Was is it FGWs fault?  No!

She only lost 1 booking for Pete's sake.

People will not turn their backs on Cornwall as a tourist destination because of that.  What WILL drive tourism down even further is the astronomical price of holidaying there.  Why bother when you can fly to Spain in less time for almost guaranteed sun for the same if not less money. 
From somebody who lives and works in Cornwall, there is simply no great reason for people to holiday there anymore.

Sorry, a little off topic I know.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 11, 2013, 18:49:52
.....so a bit of chilly weather and a small amount of snow is forecast....any thoughts on how long it'll take before everything grinds to a halt as usual?

 Southern Railway already getting their retaliation/excuses in first on the News tonight; "its up to Network Rail to keep the tracks free of snow and ice"


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 11, 2013, 19:27:29
.....so a bit of chilly weather and a small amount of snow is forecast....any thoughts on how long it'll take before everything grinds to a halt as usual?

 Southern Railway already getting their retaliation/excuses in first on the News tonight; "its up to Network Rail to keep the tracks free of snow and ice"

Here's hoping it's the right kind of snow this time.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 12, 2013, 15:36:29
swrural, I feel your pain. I too have issues.

Moving back slightly towards the thread for a moment, I am aware that Devon County Council are desperate to have the Cowley Bridge situation looked at again. Whether that will do any good, I can't say, but I agree with them wholeheartedly. Having the entire county cut off every time it rains is not good.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on January 12, 2013, 20:01:35

Quote

In April 2004, South West Trains ran 43,600 trains over four weeks but in April 2012, the total number of trains had risen to 45,646 trains all of Network Rail say has put added pressure on the infrastructure.


Translation please.

Just found what is probably the source of this quote, and the original paragraph does appear to read OK in context of the overall press release:

"On the Wessex route, more trains run today than ever before. In April 2004 South West Trains ran 43,600 trains over four weeks. In April 2012, it ran 45,646 trains all of which put added pressure on the infrastructure." 

It's a small part of SWT's puff piece about the Wessex route Strategic Business Plan, and is to all intents nothing whatsoever to do with the first part of the news report at all.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/networkrailbusinessplan.aspx

Looks like the 'Devon News' has joined two completely separate rail stories into one article, as far as I can make out.   ::)

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Kernow Otter on January 13, 2013, 10:10:56
Having the entire county cut off every time it rains is not good.

Two Counties.  Cornwall is just as cut off from the rest of the country.

Ta


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on January 13, 2013, 14:20:05
Having the entire county cut off every time it rains is not good.

Two Counties.  Cornwall is just as cut off from the rest of the country.

Ta

Surely the rest of the country was cut off from Devon and Cornwall?  As in 'Fog in Channel, Continent isolated'.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 13, 2013, 16:54:26
Having the entire county cut off every time it rains is not good.

Two Counties.  Cornwall is just as cut off from the rest of the country.

Ta

I should know better. I have a cottage in Devon and have lived in Cornwall.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 13, 2013, 17:39:40
We could go way off topic here by opening a debate over whether Cornwall is a County or a Duchy - so I won't.  :P ::) ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The Grecian on January 13, 2013, 22:17:04
They weren't actually cut off the second time anyway as the Waterloo route remained open - although not so useful for people coming from Bristol or the north. There didn't seem to be many announcements in the media that you could still get from London to Exeter by train without a change, although I believe that Waterloo services were sufficiently busy anyway that directing everyone that way would have severely overloaded things. FGW seemed to deal with it like split ticketing - if you ask we'll tell you, but you have to ask. Whilst the Waterloo route takes around 3h15m to Exeter and the Paddington route is 2h20m on average (variable), the time taken on a bus from Taunton to Exeter (particularly getting in and out of the urban areas) coupled with the inconvenience of changing would probably have persuaded most people to swamp the Waterloo route if it was advertised more.

I believe crosscountry trains (the route not the company) used to run Exeter-Yeovil-Castle Cary-Westbury-Bristol in the past when engineering work dictated, but I assume XC haven't got the route knowledge to run that way even if they wanted to - and it would probably take longer that a bus link from Exeter to Taunton.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: broadgage on January 14, 2013, 09:28:53

The siting of electrical substations also seems to neglect nature with HV gear being sited at ground level barely a metre above nearby water courses. Reading district nearly lost power over the holiday because the site at Pingewood (alongside the railway, approx 38m60c) was threatened, only Corporation sandbags and two fire engines saving the day. The three sites at Gloucester were threatened last time, one being a 400kV supergrid station, only the crew of HMS Ocean coming to the rescue.

Are concrete plinths that expensive?


OTC


No, concrete plinths are not expensive and should be more widely used for vulnerable electrical equipment, railway related or otherwise.
To relocate existing equipment onto a plinth would be costly since the jointing or extending of large or high voltage cables is a costly matter, and joints introduce a potential weak spot.
In the case of signalling cables, the voltages and currents innvolved are modest and cable jointing sounds more readily achieved, but is still a costly affair on account of the amount of testing and proving that is required.
Another possible problem is that casting a large concrete plinth takes some days especialy in remote places, and this may preclude placing new equipment on a plinth due to the extra delay.
It would seem worth while at vulnerable locations to build plinths ready for future use, so that after the next flood, any new equipment may be placed atop the ready built plinths.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on January 14, 2013, 10:50:41
NR don't generally use concrete plinths for the smaller lineside cabinets nowadays, the easiest solution is the stuff I mentioned in post #30 here:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=11745.30
...with its screw in piling and steel gratings.  You see it all over the place when equipment is fitted in cuttings or embankments - extending the use to flooding susceptible areas is pretty obvious.

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on January 14, 2013, 10:51:22
@The Grecian10:17:04 PM

There was a considerable period in December when both lines were totally blocked (at Cowley Bridge (GWR and LSWR) , Honiton and Broom (LSWR)) so there was no alternative rail service and I do not recall a time when only Cowley bridge was blocked and FGW ran trains via Yeovil Jcn either.  The replacement bus services were fully documented on SWT site with a full easy to read timetable which included a 'slow' service calling at stations from Exeter to Axminster and a fast service, both to Yeovil Jcn.

SWT pax would only have experienced small delays overall (about a half hour or an hour) but could plan their trips throughout.  This may have something to do with Stagecoach parent company running buses in the area (remember Southern National?  :)  ).

FGW just mentioned bus services but I don't remember seeing as good a news service on their web site but perhaps colleagues know better.

XC seemed just to 'give up'.  I only remember seeing notices that 'all trains were cancelled' but perhaps they relied on the FGW buses, I don't know.  Again, if colleagues know better, it would be interesting to hear that.

So apart from your comments on XC, I don't see that any pax contacting the companies would have been let down by SWT or FGW.  I think SWT take the prize.

Until the line from Salisbury to Exeter is re-dualled, the scope for diversions, let alone improved services, is minimal.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on January 14, 2013, 14:43:28
CrossCountry did admirably well with their rail replacement coaches. During the first period of disruption in early December they ran coaches between Bristol <-> Exeter calling Taunton and Tiverton, during the second period of disruption the ran coaches between Taunton <-> Exeter calling Tiverton.

They had sufficient staff on the ground acting as co-ordinators. On train staff were also excellent in advising on the disruption and in dealing with what were, at times, very busy services.

I don't like CrossCountry's Voyagers, their catering facilities or their fares policy but I cannot fault their organisation, staff levels and staff attitude during the closure of the line between Tiverton and Exeter. They certainly didn't 'just give up'.

During that first period of disruption FGW weren't very proactive at Temple Meads. No extra staff were on hand to direct passengers to the undercroft for replacement coaches. Often folk, arriving at Temple Meads on other services, would be at the gateline asking about onward travel to the south-west only to be told to go back down the stairs. Signage to the undercroft was inadequate. Also the CIS and additional flat screens weren't being utilised to tell passengers of the replacement coaches. CrossCountry don't have station staff so they'd have had a limited pool of people to call on to help out. FGW should have stepped up to the plate as they did second time round at Taunton.

FGW had a very visible staff presence at Taunton during the second period of disruption and that was most welcome. I'm not sure what the division of responsibility for acquiring replacement coaches was though. XC were co-ordinating that at Bristol first time round and Taunton the second time. As I didn't travel to Tiverton or Exeter I don't know who was co-ordinating there.

I can't speak for SWTs efforts when their line was closed. The only time I travelled on the WoEML was before Christmas after it had re-opened. I experienced delays due to the ESRs - That's understandable. Less understandable were the scheduled departure/arrival times often creeping further and further from the advertised emergency timetable with this information being slow to filter down to staff and public information systems. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on January 14, 2013, 17:49:24
BNM thanks, good to hear about XC.  I was referring to their web site when I checked (thus my 'seemed', but it was as glib on that as I quoted on the day I viewed) but clearly, on the ground it was good.  I can imagine the mystification of pax at TM, the way you describe it.  The majority of pax do not give a fig (I opine) what name is written on the side of the franchisee coaches and have in any case to deal with whoever is put before the public.  I cannot imagine they looked at the uniforms closely, at the TM barrier, when desperately trying to find out what was happening.

The Grecian (see earlier post) was pleading for a level of diversion service that I think is likely to be complete fantasy at present, but, in fairness, I do note that the rail and bus companies do make it possible to use each other's tickets (and rule out restrictions) in these emergencies.  So they should.  It's the image of public transport that is at stake.

In the long term issue of connectivity, I cannot see much chance of SW cross country services being so flexible and improved under the current franchising system.  Many of us would like to see a proper south coast service, which needs infrastructure at Yeovil and Dorchester, but fat chance of such a proposal emanating from SWT or FGW.  Yes we did respond to the consultations.     

   


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 14, 2013, 18:29:26
Something Crosscountry did lag behind FGW is was online information via the social media. Or if they did, I couldn't find it. Twitter and Facebook may look to many as just a chattering forum for people with nothing to do, but FGW make excellent use of both, as well as journey check. Not that it gets you through a flooded line, but at least you know.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The Grecian on January 14, 2013, 19:40:19
Just for clarification I was referring to the second period around Christmas when the SWT route remained open throughout, which would have been far busier than the one in November. I wasn't suggesting that FGW passengers should all have been directed onto that route or that more trains should have been run, but was commenting that it was interesting how the local media seemed to present it as the south west being completely blocked off when it would be more accurate to state the main route was closed but the other route was still open. It reminded me of how if you read the national press during periods of snow and ice when third rail lines are struggling, you'd believe the entire network was affected even when the rest of it's still functioning fine.

As it was, plenty of people did find out about this and I believe SWT services were often extremely full so diverting all London passengers would probably have been a tad tricky to say the least.

I travelled from Bristol-Exeter during the first closure and Bristol-Axminster during the second (rapidly changed from via Exeter to via Salisbury to via Yeovil stations). The only experience I had which I suspect would have prejudiced the view of irregular passengers about the railways was getting from Exeter to Tiverton Parkway by bus on the first trip just in time for the HST in the platform to pull out as everyone was getting off the bus. Needless to say the station staff got some abuse from a few people for that one regardless of the fact it wasn't their decision. Fortunately the next train pulled in a few minutes later and even though it wasn't going anywhere for 40 minutes, it was more comfortable than anywhere else in the vicinity.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: onthecushions on January 15, 2013, 14:41:28
We could go way off topic here by opening a debate over whether Cornwall is a County or a Duchy - so I won't.  :P ::) ;D

Also Lancashire and the CI.

The loyal toast: "The Queen our Duke"

OTC


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on January 15, 2013, 16:25:28

The loyal toast: "The Queen our Duke"

OTC

As a former member of the Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry, now a squadron of the Royal Mercian and Lancastrian Yeomanry, I recall that toast!

24358238 Trooper Four Track, Now! (Retd)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on March 19, 2013, 23:58:15
From the Express & Echo (Exeter) (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/story-18461720-detail/story.html?#axzz2O26TxsLX) 19th March 2013:

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Cowley Bridge flooding 'can not be stopped' but 'services can be recovered much quicker' says Network Rail boss

Network Rail bosses have said they can not stop the Cowley Bridge line flooding but can work on the recovery time of services once floods have subsided.

A transport conference was held at the County Hall today to discuss the measures, which include making changes to culverts and drainage systems, and raising signalling equipment off the ground so that it's not affected by flood water.


Track owner Network Rail said it planned to improve line resilience to allow flooding to be cleared and services resume as quickly as possible.

Mike Gallop, from Network Rail, said: "The flooding was a very serious event which caused a significant disruption to the travelling public. What we are looking at how is how we can improve network resilience between Taunton and Cowley Bridge. That's not prevention - we do not believe we can stop it flooding. Our proposition is that, once floods have subsided, we can start to recover services much quicker and more effectively than we did at Christmas. We're looking at improving tracks, improving embankments, and improving their draining. We're also looking at making the signalling system more robust by raising it, so it doesn't get damaged by water."

Campaign group Rail Future had suggested culverts at the bridge being increased to stop flooding of the line.

Network Rail said it was working with the Environment Agency and the government on the situation and a report would give its findings at the end of March.

Disruptions caused by extreme weather to the region's road and rail network are said to have cost Westcountry businesses ^167 million.

A full report on improvement proposals is due at the end of March.

There will be a public exhibition in Exeter's Guildhall shopping centre this week of plans to reduce the city's flood risk. Organised by the Environment Agency, Exeter City Council and Devon County Council, the exhibition will be held on Friday, March 22, from 10am to 6pm, and Saturday, March 23, from 10am to noon.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on March 20, 2013, 17:59:34
Acknowledgement that this wasn't a freak incident - maybe. But it is certainly a welcome step forward.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ellendune on March 28, 2013, 22:25:17
Interesting article by Graeme Demianyk from the Western Morning News Thursday, March 28, 2013

First Great Western's Charles Howeson calls for end to flood hit railway line at Cowley Bridge (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/story-18541594-detail/story.html?#axzz2OsL1IOEa)

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The chairman of rail firm First Great Western's advisory board has made a dramatic call for the Government to fix the region's fragile mainline that has failed repeatedly because of flooding.

Charles Howeson, a prominent Westcountry businessman, says short-term measures would be "inappropriate" and the Department for Transport should instead commit to large-scale improvements.

Heavy rain battered the region last year, with the London-to-Penzance Great Western line at Cowley Bridge, near Exeter, failing three times ^ leaving the region marooned by rail.

The resilience of the rail network, which has come under pressure following more rain in recent weeks, is now seen as even more important following the loss of Plymouth's air link, and the region having just one fully dualled road into the far South West despite long-standing calls for improvements.
 
In an open letter to ministers, Mr Howeson, chairman of First Great Western's stakeholder advisory board, argues weather that has "cut off the far South West from the national railway network" is having "a seriously detrimental economic impact in addition to the inconvenience caused to leisure travellers".
He added the closures "reinforce the perception of the region's remoteness from key business markets".

Mr Howeson writes: "In the context of unstable climate, severe weather events are evidently becoming more frequent, and it is clear that measures need to be taken to ensure the long-term resilience of the far South West's rail network. We are keen to ensure that such measures will be effective, while recognising the need to pursue solutions that are proportionate and affordable."

But he argues Network Rail, the state quango which runs the track, must look beyond improvements to Cowley Bridge.
Mr Howeson writes: "Cowley Bridge junction is only one of a series of vulnerable points in the same river catchment along the railway from Taunton to Exeter."

He adds: "There is no point in spending very large amounts of money at Cowley Bridge junction alone if flooding capable of causing severe service disruption is still likely to occur further up the line."
He calls for a "more strategic review of options", arguing "short-term fixes, or very long term solutions that address just one element of the problem, are both inappropriate".

"What must not be ignored here is the need to secure and future-proof the resilience of the railway network across and for the region, measures which will become ever more important if severe weather events continue to take place as frequently as they have been of late," Mr Howeson concludes.

Nick Buckland, businessman and former deputy chairman of the now abolished South West Regional Development Agency, also serves on the board.
"The problem is, there is a perception that the whole of the South West is cut off," he said, arguing that it discourages holidaymakers and businesses investing in the area. "That is not entirely true but that is the impression that it gives." He added: "The responsibility is split between Network Rail and the Environment Agency ^ and there is a bit of a demarcation dispute as to what you can do.
"What we would like is Government to cut through the nonsense."

Earlier this year, Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, conceded it is "unacceptable" the Westcountry's mainline was cut off from the rest of the country as a result of flooding, and has held crisis meetings between Network Rail and the region's MPs.

Network Rail has been ordered by the Department for Transport to review 40 vulnerable sites on the route.

Letter from the chairman...
To: The Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP, Secretary of State for the Environment
The Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, Secretary of State for Transport
The Rt Hon Vince Cable MP, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation & Skills
Richard Benyon MP, Minister, for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Simon Burns MP, Minister, Department for Transport
Mark Prisk MP, Minister, Business, Innovation & Skills.

I must emphasise that this letter is NOT written by or on behalf of the train operating company, which in the normal course it is our task to hold to account. We have instead had board level discussions with Network Rail directly about the recent severe weather-related disruptions to rail services in the South West because of our serious concerns about their affect on the wider economy of the far South West. This has covered the flooding and other events across the Western Region that followed exceptionally heavy rain in November and December 2012. Of particular significance for rail services to the far South West were floods east of Exeter and a landslip between Teignmouth and Dawlish.

THE CHALLENGE

Disruptive weather events are of great concern because they cut off the far South West from the national railway network and have been shown to have a seriously detrimental economic impact in addition to the inconvenience caused to leisure travellers. They also serve to reinforce the perception of the region^s remoteness from key business markets just as LEPs and local government are pursuing the reverse.

In the context of unstable climate, severe weather events are evidently becoming more frequent, and it is clear that measures need to be taken to ensure the long term resilience of the far South West^s rail network. We are keen to ensure that such measures will be effective, while recognising the need to pursue solutions that are proportionate and affordable.

With media and public focus on Cowley Bridge Junction it is understandable that most attention has been paid to measures aimed at preventing flooding at this location. This junction is not only significant in relation to flooding of the railway, it is also central to the Environment Agency^s plans to protect the city of Exeter from inundation. However, Cowley Bridge Junction is only one of a series of vulnerable points in the same river catchment along the railway from Taunton to Exeter. The others are Whiteball Tunnel, Hele and Bradninch and Stafford^s Bridge and when Cowley Bridge Junction floods, at least one of these other sites is likely to flood to the point that trains would be unable to pass.

In this context we believe that the current region-wide pressure to find a medium-term solution only at Cowley Bridge Junction should instead be focused on examining options actually capable of addressing the issue in the long term. There is no point in spending very large amounts of money at Cowley Bridge Junction alone if flooding capable of causing severe service disruption is still likely to occur further up the line...
Discussions about solutions and funding need to be more genuinely multi-agency and take into account the numerous and potentially conflicting obligations and perspectives of the parties involved. For example, the Environment Agency is concerned with protecting against the flooding of people^s houses while Network Rail^s role is to keep trains running. Today the two objectives are simply not complementing each other in terms of proposed solutions.

Both organisations thus have an interest in improving the situation at Cowley Bridge Junction but their proposed actions are very different. The Environment Agency^s unilateral announcement about its plans for the protection of Exeter from further flooding without reaching an agreement with NR is clearly less than helpful in this regard.

CONCLUSION

It is very clear to us that a more strategic review of options is now required and all involved stakeholders will need to think more creatively about effective area based actions reflecting the strategic regional interests. Short term fixes, or very long term solutions that address just one element of the problem are both inappropriate. What must not be ignored here is the need to secure and futureproof the resilience of the railway network across and for the region, measures which will become ever more important if severe weather events continue to take place as frequently as they have been of late.

ACTIONS REQUIRED

We thus now urge much more effective stakeholder partnership working with immediate effect. We see no alternative to this taking place at all levels, involving local representation and action, as well as that by Network Rail and the Environment Agency.

The existing progress made since Christmas is not satisfactory in our view. Instead we now request a joint (Defra/DfT) Ministerial examination of the situation above the level of Network Rail and the Environment Agency (who are clearly NOT able to reach agreement, even at national level) with the remit being to:

  • Identify a clear sustainable long-term area-based solution,
  • Identify responsibility for funding it and leading it, and then
  • Establish the timescale for its delivery, all within an urgent timescale.

Yours sincerely
Charles Howeson
Chairman
The FGW Trains Advisory Board


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2013, 23:23:35
I noticed the other day, when it was pointed out to me, that Network Rail have made quite a bit of progress in building new platforms to house location cabinets and the like at a higher level between Cowley Bridge and the approach to Exeter St Davids.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on March 28, 2013, 23:27:32
'Twas I that did the pointing out.  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2013, 23:34:44
It was...but then I know which order the stations are on the Berks & Hants!  ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on March 28, 2013, 23:47:41
So do I when I haven't partaken of the fine wines available on the up Pullman!  :P


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on March 29, 2013, 09:55:06
I thought that Mssrs Howeson and Buckland missed an opportunity to point out that the GWR main line was cut off and worse still so was the LSWR and at the same time.    I know they wrote with FGW advisory hats on but a strategic issue was thereby not sufficiently pushed (IMO).


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on March 31, 2013, 16:34:50
I think you are right, swrural. Having two entire counties severed from the network for as long as they were is not good.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 31, 2013, 17:04:33
I noticed the other day, when it was pointed out to me...

'Twas I that did the pointing out.  :P ;) ;D

It was...but then I know which order the stations are on the Berks & Hants!  ;D

So do I when I haven't partaken of the fine wines available on the up Pullman!  :P

Boys, boys ...  ::) :o ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 05, 2013, 19:32:58
I think you are right, swrural. Having two entire counties severed from the network for as long as they were is not good.

The South West was not entirely cut off by rail for two weeks as the SR route was open most of the period under discussion. Albeit with a couple of flood damage speed restrictions imposed. There were (and still are) also traincrews available with appropriate route and traction knowledge. The SR route has also been fitted with an impressive array of HST stop boards at all the stations to Yeovil to go with the Ikea signals now controlled from Basingstoke.

SWT and Network Rail are in what's laughingly called a 'Deep Alliance' which despite Devon County Council spent lots of my money paying Network Rail to install a dynamic loop at Axminster (making two trains per hour a workable proposition) FGW services are seeningly not permitted to run up the SR while the SWT hourly service is operating.

So somebody needs to tackle that nonsense first. It seems Network Rail have waved their little white flag and accepted that the GW route will close during periods of rain / flooding. Hence their putting all the signalling location cabinets up on little metal frames at Cowley Bridge Jn....


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 06, 2013, 12:22:26
@TSM

I can assure you the LSWR was totally cut off for a considerable period at two locations, one east of Honiton (landslide) and the other east of Axminster (flood swept away rails).  The GW and LSW line blockages may have overlapped somewhat - I don't have the data of the days and weeks involved now, but in strategic thinking, that is irrelevant to the point that was being made to the minister.  I just thought it was a shame they did not make the point about both railways.

In other words, if the Exe and Culm are in flood, then so is the Axe likely to be (and was).

Similarly, if there are landslides at Dawlish, due to the sandy Devon soil giving way, then the same is likely to be happening on Honiton bank (and did).

I wrote at the time that I hoped some engineers would be freed from the daily round to look at remedies in a quiet room where strategic thinking could take place.  I have not had the impression from ministerial and NR quotes that this is happening.  I hope I'm wrong.  Nicholas Stern's report has been vindicated, it seems. 


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 06, 2013, 15:26:55
I think 'TSM' is addressed to 'TheSprinterMeister' - but we try not to use too many acronyms or abbreviations on this forum, to avoid confusing our wider readership.  ;)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 06, 2013, 17:49:51
Chris, I had no idea that TSM was a railway abb.  My apologies.  I've put '@TSM' (see  post) and had I done that I suggest there would have been no confusion whatsoeverl.  Anyway, learnt something.

Is a 'Track Section Manager' what I would call a ganger, or is he /she a PWI (permanent way inspector)?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Brucey on April 06, 2013, 17:52:53
Chris, I had no idea that TSM was a railway abb.
I didn't realise it was either, hence why I was slightly confused when reading your post :P


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on April 09, 2013, 23:22:58
I shall look at my LOA*.

FTN**

(*List Of Abbreviations)

(**Four Track, Now! Just trying to be helpful)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 10, 2013, 12:39:39
Chris, I had no idea that TSM was a railway abb.
I didn't realise it was either, hence why I was slightly confused when reading your post :P

Is he / she one of the two functions I suggested?  Which one?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on April 10, 2013, 13:00:20

SWT and Network Rail are in what's laughingly called a 'Deep Alliance' which despite Devon County Council spent lots of my money paying Network Rail to install a dynamic loop at Axminster (making two trains per hour a workable proposition) FGW services are seeningly not permitted to run up the SR while the SWT hourly service is operating.


I emailed SWT about this a while ago.  Their reply, from customer services but apparently made on behalf of someone called their 'train planning manager', suggests that you are wrong, my highlighting refers:

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Our ref:1721365

30 January 2013 

Dear XXXX XXXX

Thank you for your email of 24 December 2012.

Please find below a response from our Train planning manager.

Basically it allows for one additional train per hour in one direction only. This is what happens when we have First Great Western diversions via this route, although it does require the SWT services to be retimed quite considerably.

A further loop would be required to be installed for an additional hourly service in each direction.

Kind Regards
XXXXXX
Customer Relations Officer

I'm sure your view will be different though, what do SWT know about their route after all...

Paul   


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 10, 2013, 19:23:57
What absolute tosh......... >:( >:(

I once worked for the signalling company that did all of the work (of which I checked most of the design). I can assure you that the loop and associated work was designed to handle two trains per hour in each direction.  Since then additional mid-section signals have been installed at Crewkerne to allow two trains to be 'flighted' behind each other thus easing the stress on the Chard Junction to Yeovil Junction section.  Note that Axminster loop can hold up to three trains in each direction at any one time.  The only capacity constraint now is the section between Honiton and Pinhoe.  To keep the capacity there the trains have to be presented at each end as close to scheduled time as possible.  The loops at Chard Junction and Honiton see little use now except in times of perturbation.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 10, 2013, 20:44:44
All very impressive but what is a TSM?   ??? ;D

Actually, the reliability of current performance on Yeovil to Exeter is much appreciated by we locals.

Like clockwork, it is, which does make up for the 'stop at every farmyard' service.

I agree an extra loop west of Honiton, but better still, a full doubling throughout, is what is required.  This is a prosperous area and the trains would fill immediately with a stopping and fast service every hour.

We also would fill a Plymouth to Southampton via Bournemouth service.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 10, 2013, 21:33:36
Going back to Railtrack days in 1994.  They planned to extend Chard Junction loop as double track to Axminster station and add a new loop between Honiton and Pinhoe.  This would have evened out the crossing points and could have easily allowed a half hourly service in each direction.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 10, 2013, 23:10:00
I am going to re-register as TTN!



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on April 10, 2013, 23:28:07
The paths certainly seem to be available if you work out the timings, and even if a full half-hourly service might be a bit too high a use of the capacity, three trains every two hours would certainly be possible, allowing a two hourly FGW service to divert via Honiton. The times at Exeter work fairly well anyway as the FGW pattern to/from Plymouth/Penzance is roughly half an hour off the SWT pattern in both directions.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: paul7575 on April 11, 2013, 09:58:38
... three trains every two hours would certainly be possible, allowing a two hourly FGW service to divert via Honiton.

That is what SWT say is possible above, and IIRC what they did last time they ran planned diversions.

I must admit to having my doubts about all this now, but I suppose from SWT's perspective it is no good if the only way of getting from Pinhoe to Honiton quickly enough is to remove all the intermediate calls, or however else they'd speed that bit up.

Paul


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southern Stag on April 12, 2013, 00:08:33
Last time was 3tp2h, with FGW taking the SWT path one hour, with the SWT service pushed forward half an hour in that hour. This was before the mid-section signals were installed at Crewkerne, and the FGW services usually had to wait at Chard Junction for the previous SWT to reach Yeovil Junction, a wait which would now be alleviated. IIRC, the FGW services passed at Yeovil Junction, so if the up service arrives slightly early by virtue of following the SWT more closely then the down could leave slightly earlier to help with potential conflicts down the line.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 13, 2013, 20:27:57
Chris, I had no idea that TSM was a railway abb...

Is a 'Track Section Manager' what I would call a ganger, or is he /she a PWI (permanent way inspector)?

Is he / she one of the two functions I suggested?  Which one?

All very impressive but what is a TSM?   ??? ;D

Howard, I really don't know (not being railway staff), as this appears to be an internal Network Rail job title.  May I offer you a link to an historic job advert, which sets out their job description for a Track Section Manager, at http://www.allrailjobs.co.uk/candidate/vacDetails2.asp?vacID=30453, from which you may judge for yourself. :)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: swrural on April 14, 2013, 13:06:56
Excellent research Chris, thank you.  I judge that job to be a PWI.  The one I did a few days' training with timed our morning inspection miraculously so that we finished up outside the pub on Whiteladies Road, Clifton Down at about 1230.   ;)


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2013, 15:58:07
No problem, Howard.  :)

Now, on the subject of the loop(s) and the possibility of allowing additional services to pass, I have received the following comments from a member of railway staff, who would prefer not to be identified by posting them here on the forum personally:

"... I can assure you that HST's can definitely fit in without disrupting the SWT services!  They may have to wait for a path 11 minutes behind the SWT service and utilising the loops at Honiton and Yeovil Junction in the up direction and Chard and Pinhoe on the downs.  This leaves no room for error and on the downs Pinhoe would be very tight but that's for an hourly.  A FGW service every two hours in each direction should cause no problems.

But two things already happen which contradict that SWT email.  The morning peak - look at Honiton around 7am and also during disruption I have lost count of how many services I have seen within 10 minutes of each other: they used to have to wait at Yeovil for the up but can now continue in the previous service's wake and pass the up in Chard loop.

So, while not ideal, and in all honesty would probably cause delays in the loops which could be restricted to the HST's, it is definitely possible!"

I have taken slight liberties in selecting certain text and amending punctuation accordingly, simply to ensure anonymity, but that is what my informed source tells me.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 14, 2013, 17:30:47
.....good to see that an operator agrees with my earlier (technical) post then.... ;) ;D


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Southernman on May 31, 2013, 00:16:38
An article in Western Daily Press on plans (not much detail!) to reduce effects of future flooding.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Plans-drawn-end-rail-disruption-caused-floods/story-19131228-detail/story.html



Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on May 31, 2013, 14:05:41
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22361986):

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Network Rail South West flooding compensation cost revealed

By Chris Ellis
BBC News Online, South West

Railway line flooding - described as the worst in a decade - on the south-west of England's rail network has resulted in about ^12.5m in compensation being paid. The payments, from Network Rail, were made to train and freight operators because services could not run due to the damage caused to the lines.

The mainline near Exeter was closed for 11 days in November and December. Network Rail said the amount reflected the "significant disruption" caused.

"It's a significant amount of money and one that's been unprecedented in the last 10 years in the South West," said Mike Gallop, Network Rail's director of route asset management in the West.

As well as the mainline at Cowley Bridge, near Exeter, being affected by floods, many of the region's branch lines - including those extending to Looe and Newquay in Cornwall, and Barnstaple and Exmouth in Devon - were also damaged.

Mr Gallop said: "The Barnstaple branch line suffered significant problems with washouts of track. It took much longer to get back into service than the mainline between Exeter and Bristol. We also suffered severe flooding on the Looe branch line."

He said there were still problems with the stability of the cliffs in Teignmouth, in south Devon, which were being addressed.

'More resilient'

"In terms of the cost of putting things right, we're looking at something in the order of ^10-15m in the South West," he said. "It was the wettest summer in 100 years followed by a very, very wet autumn and winter, which led to the problems towards the end of 2012."

The compensation has been paid to operators including First Great Western and CrossCountry.

Mr Gallop said his company was looking at how it could make the railway network "more resilient to flooding".

"Network Rail is looking to make sure the tracks and electronics we have in the signalling systems are able to withstand the floodwater, so, when it recedes, we can start running trains much quicker than we did last time."

The company is also facing a compensation claim from the Cowley Bridge Inn, which is next to the railway line near Exeter and was flooded.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67896000/jpg/_67896592_67896591.jpg)
Almost six months on, the inn is still clearing up after three floods

Inn manager Peter Lavers-Mason said plastic dams or booms, used by Network Rail in a bid to protect signalling, caused the pub to flood by an extra 6-8in (15-20cm).

"The natural flow was impeded so it [the water] was backing up. It got into our electrics, all the cooker systems. We raised our fridges off the ground after the previous floods, but, because more came in, all our new fridges were totally ruined."

Mr Lavers-Mason said the water level was 3ft (90cm) deep at its peak.

Almost six months on, the inn is still clearing up after three floods which affected the pub.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67882000/jpg/_67882673_67882672.jpg)
Peter Lavers-Mason said the third flood in December was the worst

Mr Lavers-Mason said so far ^35,000 had been spent on repairs, although staff had managed to reopen the inn.

He said he contacted Network Rail about the flooding and received a letter from the company saying its claim handlers were investigating the case.

Mr Gallop said: "We have a well-established procedure for dealing with claims against Network Rail and that matter will be dealt with by our insurers as any other company would."

Mr Lavers-Mason said: "If it did flood again, there's a good chance the pub would be sold on for other uses."


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Phil on May 31, 2013, 21:55:01
Just out of interest, is the Chris Ellis who wrote the above piece any relation?


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: grahame on May 31, 2013, 22:11:18
Just out of interest, is the Chris Ellis who wrote the above piece any relation?

Not to my knoweldge ... and it's a common enough name.  "Our" Chris lives near Ratfyn Junction.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: JayMac on December 20, 2013, 23:26:55
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-25439996):

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Network Rail spends ^5m 'to protect' lines in 'extreme' weather

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71834000/jpg/_71834444_64401174.jpg)
Cables, points and trackside equipment were all under water

Network Rail has spent ^5m in a bid to protect Devon's railway lines from being affected by "extreme weather" after a washout last year.

The work includes installing nets to cliffs to prevent rock falls and buying inflatable dams in a bid to protect signalling cables and tracks.

Network Rail said they would "help boost the resilience of the railway".

The mainline near Exeter was closed for 11 days in November and December 2012 because of flooding.

'Hugely destructive'

Network Rail said the dams, which are made of synthetic fabric, would "help divert water away from the railway track and speed up the recovery process".

The netting has been attached to cliffs at Teignmouth after a number of landslides and rock falls last year.

Mike Gallop, the organisation's route asset management director, said: "Extreme weather has had a hugely disruptive impact on the railway.

"We are also taking a long-term approach to prepare us for the changing weather and climate over the next 70 to 80 years."

"As part of this process, we are developing a high-level strategy that includes a ^31m intervention plan targeting high risk flood sites such as Cowley Junction."

Last winter, the junction near Exeter, was submerged, causing several days of train delays and cancellations.

Mr Gallop added that the long-term plans, subject to government approval, included lifting track, upgrading culverts, and strengthening earthworks.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 21, 2013, 11:05:49
From First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line Update
Cancellations to services between Newton Abbot and Paignton

Owing to flooding between Newton Abbot and Paignton all lines are affected.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
Stagecoach South West Bus 12 Newton Abbot - Torre - Torquay - Paignton (Bus Station) services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
Customers are advised that road transport has been sourced to cover stations between Newton Abbot and Paignton. But due to limited service and possible poor road conditions it is not possible to run to train times. This will be in place for most of the day due to the weather conditions.
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Message Received: 21/12/2013 10:56


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: TonyK on December 21, 2013, 11:23:21
Nothing another ^5 million couldn't put right? At least it isn't Cowley Bridge again.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: bobm on December 21, 2013, 12:24:01
12:20pm Reports of flooding at Melksham.

Swindon to Westbury services to be diverted via Bath, not calling at Melksham.


Title: Re: Mass disruption due to flooding - December 2012
Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2013, 13:08:04
And more to come Monday into Christmas Eve.


Title: Flooding - December 2013
Post by: grahame on December 21, 2013, 17:14:34
12:20pm Reports of flooding at Melksham.

Swindon to Westbury services to be diverted via Bath, not calling at Melksham.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/fortnight_01.jpg)

Melksham, just prior to the 11:47 to Swindon calling.  We went up on that / back on the 15:22 off Swindon.   If there were diversions, relatively few.  Car parking spaces at station all full and the temporary extra ones in use too at 11:45 before we left, but a number of cars had left by the time we got back, so something had run in between.



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