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Title: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: JayMac on October 04, 2013, 14:40:35
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/4/newsid_2486000/2486817.stm):

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1976: New train speeds into service

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38477000/jpg/_38477449_intercity_freefoto_2_238.jpg)

British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service today. The first London-Bristol service arrived three minutes early.

The Inter-City 125 has been introduced to provide a regular high speed service between Cardiff, Bristol and London.

British Rail will extend the HST service to other major cities over the next two years.

Powered by two diesel motors the Inter-City 125 has recorded a top speed of over 140mph in trial runs, making it the fastest diesel-powered train in the world.

Most other countries have developed electrically powered high-speed trains.

The cost of electrification on Britain's network was considered prohibitive so the diesel-powered 125 is a new product from existing technology.

In the absence of an official ceremony by British Rail to mark the occasion, few passengers were aware they were making history this morning as the first 0805 left Paddington on time.

New features

But most travellers did appreciate some improvement in comfort. The carriages feature aircraft-like seating, with sliding electric doors at each end.

Hot food is served quickly from an on-board kitchen with the aid of a state-of-the-art microwave oven.

Rail bosses are hopeful the improved service, which has been introduced without a rise in fares, will bring in more business.

Increased fares over the last two years have been linked to a fall in passenger traffic of 15 to 20%.

37 years young (with a few Mk3s from the prototype set even older). Happy birthday HST. Still doing sterling service across Great Britain.... and in my forum signature.  :P

Those microwave ovens are state-of-the-ark now. Of course, with the HSTs having gone through many overhauls, engine replacements and refurbishments in the preceding 37 years, little, apart from the frames and bodies, is actually original. Bit like Trigger's broom (http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=15083). Or, if you are of a classical bent, Plutarch's Ship of Theseus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus). ;D

Also a warning from history. Increasing fares can price people of the railways.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bobm on October 04, 2013, 14:59:27
It was the microwaves which prompted me to make my first HST trip.

As a schoolboy in South Oxfordshire I got the bus to Didcot (it wasn't called Parkway in those days) and took the train to Paddington, enjoying a microwaved cheeseburger on the way.  Seemed the height of luxury at the time!!

The interiors have changed over the years (who remembers the card payphones in the buffet area?), they sound different but the iconic shape remains.

Happy Birthday HST!


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: JayMac on October 04, 2013, 16:19:53
Did the buffet, from where you purchased your burger, look like this?

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/1970sHSTBuffet.jpg)

Another BBC item, this time from regional news magazine, Points West (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/articles/2005/11/22/pwaod_125_feature.shtml), looking back to the inaugural passenger service. It include the broadcast report from 4th October 1976, although it's only available to view with RealPlayer and is almost unwatchable it is so blocky. Nobody still uses RealPlayer do they? I only re-installed it to watch the video. I'm going to have a tinker, see if I can improve the quality and upload to youtube:

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High Speed Train: 1976

Points West can lay claim to many achievements, including having British Rail name one of their fleet of 125 High Speed locomotives after the programme. In 1976 they launched the new service and Points West was there to try it out.

On the 4th October 1976, with little ceremony or fuss, British Rail launched its high speed 125 Inter-City service on the line between London and Bristol.

Naturally, and despite the low profile inaugural run, the Points West cameras joined the first few passengers to gauge for themselves just what the new service was like.

What strikes you when watching the film is just how few passengers there are.

Admittedly, it^s an 8am service leaving the capital for Bristol but even in 1976 there must have been reason to visit the West Country.

In the report we hear from the passengers, who, apart from one colonial cousin from the States hasn^t really got anything bad to say about day one of the new service.  But give it time, and things would end up very different!

It is strange the things you forget ^ First Great Western^s fleet of carriages have obviously been much overhauled, but watching this film brings back the colour of the seats and that square knob on top of each aisle-side seat designed to help you steady yourself.

Of course, one of the criticisms levelled at the rail operator today is just how unsteady the ride is nowadays ^ years of poor investment is offered as a reason and it must be said that seeing the first 125 in action, the ride does appear to be a great deal smoother.

Another revelation is the fabulous cooked breakfast being prepared by a full-blown chef ^ even if he is using a microwave oven to produce the goods.

Even greater things are to come ^ such as then witnessing the said breakfasts being served by a neatly turned out waitress ^ oh, as well as the train arriving three minutes head of schedule at Bristol Temple Meads.

Apparently the new service managed to shave of 15 minutes from the timetable, although, as the film tells us (as if it was some big secret), the record time was achieved by having three fewer stops.

Now those were the days, weren^t they?


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bobm on October 04, 2013, 16:24:11
Did the buffet, from where you purchased your burger, look like this?

Now you are asking!  I remember the colour scheme and I remember the uniforms.  Didn't they experiment with draught beer from the buffet at one point?


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: JayMac on October 04, 2013, 19:58:22
I've done the best I can with the video from the 1976 BBC Points West news report. Original quality was terrible and enlarging hasn't helped, but I've smoothed out the worst of the pixelating and visual artifacts. More powerful software than I have at my disposal would be needed to improve further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyFzWgLt_4

Not sure what 1st Class passengers had done to deserve orange velour. Looks the same colour as 1970's Kia-Ora before they stopped using tartrazine.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Timmer on October 04, 2013, 22:18:34
Not sure what 1st Class passengers had done to deserve orange velour. Looks the same colour as 1970's Kia-Ora before they stopped using tartrazine.
Oh dear, I quite liked the orange velour in First class  :o Says a lot about my taste I suppose, though the Intercity First class interior of the 80s and early 90s was much better.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 05, 2013, 11:24:17
I've done the best I can with the video from the 1976 BBC Points West news report. Original quality was terrible and enlarging hasn't helped, but I've smoothed out the worst of the pixelating and visual artifacts. More powerful software than I have at my disposal would be needed to improve further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyFzWgLt_4

Not sure what 1st Class passengers had done to deserve orange velour. Looks the same colour as 1970's Kia-Ora before they stopped using tartrazine.

Thanks for that bnm - so much easier to view your version than go through the pain of installing Real Player (if indeed you can on Windows 8).

I'd forgotten about the funny aluminium grab-knobs (as I suppose you'd call them) on the seats - very modern, very socialist!

Intrigued to see that the service shaved 15 mins off the old schedule whilst dropping three stops - were HSTs actually any faster than the old kit?


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2013, 01:14:04
Thanks for that bnm - so much easier to view your version than go through the pain of installing Real Player (if indeed you can on Windows 8).

No problem. I took the hit on behalf of the forum membership.

RealPlayer. What a godawful piece of software. I thought.... install, use, lift the clip, uninstall. Not that straightforward. Other unwanted programs were installed without the option to say no, after uninstalling RealPlayer the other programs were still there and Windows' uninstall wouldn't work on them. So a manual delete.

Then on reboot, I discover that one bit of RealPlayer is still there in my startup programs, hidden in both my Windows System32 and SysWOW64 directories. So those entries needed to be manually deleted, as did other RealPlayer crap from my registry.

It was a job and a half just converting the clip to a format suitable for upload to youtube. I could've done without all the extra hassle of purging all the RealPlayer crap from my system.  >:( >:( >:(

After linking to the Points West item from 1976 I just hope no-one else went ahead and downloaded RealPlayer. If you did then please accept my humble apologies.  :-[



Now, wouldn't it be fitting if the first passenger run of a Class 801 is on 4th October 2016, 40 years to the day after the first InterCity 125 passenger service. It is, after all, the same route that will get these new trains first. A little ahead of squadron service commencing in 2017, but it would be a great piece of publicity. Perhaps with a current HST re-liveried in original BR colours also running.

Probably I'm waxing lyrical a bit too much seeing as both the new train and the wires would need to be ready.



Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 06, 2013, 09:50:48

...(if indeed you can on Windows 8).


I feel the need to point out that what I actually typed here was the number '8' followed by a close-parenthesis character - I was questioning whether Real Player would install on Windows 8. The forum software interpreted this combination of characters as an emoticon.

Anyway, very glad I didn't try - sounds like a quite a hassle getting it off again!


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bobm on October 06, 2013, 09:55:19
It has happened before with Platform 8s and after 8.  Trick is to forget the correct punctuation and leave a space between the 8 and the ) - like so - 8 )  Not so clever these computers sometimes...


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bobm on October 06, 2013, 10:53:46
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hstpost2.jpg)

A poster from 1977 as on display at the National Railway Museum - some interesting journey times there....


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Timmer on October 06, 2013, 12:17:36
A poster from 1977 as on display at the National Railway Museum - some interesting journey times there....
Yes, showing just how much backwards timing wise rail travel has become. Bristol may get closer to 85 minutes when IEP comes along with the non-stop after Parkway service, but sadly for us who travel from Bath I doubt 69 minutes will ever been seen again as we are stuck with the two stoppers an hour to London when IEP starts if the draft timetable becomes reality.

Anyone remember the West Country Pullman? That used to run non-stop Paddington-Bath in the morning heading to Paignton before returning in the afternoon again running non-stop between Bath-Paddington. This service started in 1988 but as the years went by stops were added to what we have now leaving Paddington at 10am named as The Torbay Express. Hmmmm not sure about naming it that compared to years that have gone before when the service was quicker once HSTs took over the service.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on October 06, 2013, 15:39:47
High Speed Trains were the last trains conceived and designed by the old BR CM&EE engineers (ie "old BR" not "old engineers") before "Business Management"  - InterCity, Provincial etc - came along and gave us such gems as Pacers etc.

Still the most successful trains ever built, and still the comfortable trains in the country to travel in.

Gordon
(er... an "old BR" CM&EE engineer)

CM&EE = Chief Mechanical and Electrical Engineer




Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Electric train on October 06, 2013, 19:11:41
High Speed Trains were the last trains conceived and designed by the old BR CM&EE engineers (ie "old BR" not "old engineers") before "Business Management"  - InterCity, Provincial etc - came along and gave us such gems as Pacers etc.

Still the most successful trains ever built, and still the comfortable trains in the country to travel in.

Gordon
(er... an "old BR" CM&EE engineer)

CM&EE = Chief Mechanical and Electrical Engineer

The CM&EE's were the latest budget holders in BR days much bigger than civils or S & T it was due the the CM&EE "owning" all rolling stock, locomotives and all the fixed plant.

CM&EE's were functionally accountable to the DM&EE (Director of) the DM&EE was disaggregated :o :o in the 1990 as part of BR's O for Q (Organisation for Quality) which brought about the business units


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 07, 2013, 08:58:54
Timmer said:

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Bristol may get closer to 85 minutes when IEP comes along with the non-stop after Parkway service

May be a bit off topic, but this got me wondering....I assume the above means that some IEP's will be "fast" through Reading?
But how fast? I'm sure I read somewhere that there will be no linespeeds greater than 50mph through the station once all the current work is complete?

Which if correct is not really very fast  ::)


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Network SouthEast on October 07, 2013, 10:30:33
I believe when Reading is finally completed, line speed through a few platforms will be raised to 100mph.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 07, 2013, 12:12:07
I'm just catching up on this thread hence the late response to bobms and BNMs comments about cheese burgers and microwave ovens

I used to travel down from Banbury to Weston s mare at the weekend to meet up with the girl that was to be Mrs BB version 1 and I do remember treating myself to the aforementioned cheeseburger!

Suffice to say I remember the cheese burgers more favourably than V1 wife.

But thanks for the memories and the photo of the buffet


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: paul7575 on October 07, 2013, 13:04:39
I believe when Reading is finally completed, line speed through a few platforms will be raised to 100mph.

The Corus Rail track layout diagram (that's been referred to a few times over the last couple of years) shows the up and down mains only (P9/10) as '60/100**'.  Other platforms vary, but with nothing faster than 60 mph.

The diagram key goes on to explain that this is a 60 mph PSR, with 100 mph capability being dependent on further signalling improvements.  The latter is possibly referring to the ERTMS (cab signalling) upgrade planned for later in the decade.

Paul


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 07, 2013, 14:16:15
Thanks, I'm old enough to remember when HST's used to come through at a fair rate of knots (although way below 125 I suspect). IIRC it was usually on the line that used to run up the middle between platforms 7 and 8 (formerly known as 4 and 5).


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bobm on October 07, 2013, 16:10:53
I'm not sure about the through lines but I think the platform lines had an 80 limit.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on October 07, 2013, 22:36:50
Hello! This is my first post in the Coffee Shop, so I hope I do it correctly!

The speed limits during the latter years of the age of steam, and for the first years of the diesel era, were 75mph on the Down Main through (old) Platform 4 and 80mph on the Up Main. Speed over the turnouts for the Up Main Platform Loop (old Platform 5) was limited to 25mph.

At some point in, IIRC, the 80s as more and more trains stopped at Reading, the cant on the Down Main was reduced limiting the speed to 50mph; at the same the limit on the Up Main was reduced. I am not sure when this took place as I was living abroad at the time, but I'm sure somebody will know.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Brucey on October 07, 2013, 22:38:16
Welcome to the forum 4064ReadingAbbey and thank you for an informative first post :)


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: JayMac on September 30, 2016, 23:36:39
The 40th Anniversary of the inaugural HST passenger run is this Tuesday, 4th October 2016.

Here's that BBC Points West news report from 1976 again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyFzWgLt_4

Now, do GWR have anything planned for Tuesday? Perhaps with 43002 and 43185. Anyone know of anything?

I note that those two power cars are due to return from York to St Phillip's Marsh early on Monday morning:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R41180/2016/10/02/advanced



Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: broadgage on October 02, 2016, 09:17:17
Did the buffet, from where you purchased your burger, look like this?

Now you are asking!  I remember the colour scheme and I remember the uniforms.  Didn't they experiment with draught beer from the buffet at one point?

Yes, I remember the draught beer in the buffet, a choice of Heineken and Whitbread Tankard IIRC. And the card operated payphone. All rather revolutionary at the time.
Also a restaurant car AND a buffet, two catering vehicles.
And even in second class, the seating was all/virtually all facing with tables.
And two and a half first class coaches.

All of which would be totally unaffordable luxuries in a new train, despite the fact that as a nation we are now twice as wealthy as was the case then.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 02, 2016, 10:50:11
Don't forget the smoking carriages where you could puff away on your pipe to your hearts content, and of course all carriages were mobile phone free back then...  ;)


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on October 02, 2016, 11:17:20
.. and not forgetting getting locked in the toilet (the old GWR design had 1 moving part, the original design on the HST’s had about 15), blowing back toilets (sitting on the loo going into Chipping Sodbury tunnel at 125 mph could be quite an experience), vestibules awash from water leaks from the evaporator tray, no air conditioning because of the wrong type of brushes in the fan motor, cracked axle boxes .. still, it all helped keep me in a job at the time!


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: didcotdean on October 02, 2016, 11:51:39
The most memorable thing surely was the smell as soon as the brakes were applied.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: ellendune on October 02, 2016, 12:39:33
All of which would be totally unaffordable luxuries in a new train, despite the fact that as a nation we are now twice as wealthy as was the case then.

Ah yes like so many  things in our society today as J K Galbraith said of the USA in Affluent Society (1958):

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In a community where public services have failed to keep abreast of private consumption things are very different. Here, in an atmosphere of private opulence and public squalor, the private goods have full sway.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: didcotdean on October 02, 2016, 14:40:46
More to the point is that the train was only one quarter loaded - and one of the other slightly later BBC reports on the HST remarks on what changes have needed to be made such as lowering fares as it was losing BR hundreds of millions of pounds in operation.

I too can easily remember the days when if you had anyone else sitting at the same table of four on an HST you might think the train was crowded. Whether this was really an efficient use of either public or natural resources at that time is another matter. Whatever, it was certainly a different age for train travel.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 02, 2016, 14:59:35
Yes, one of the quietest trains of the day now would probably equate to the same number that used the average off-peak service back then.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Robin Summerhill on June 02, 2019, 18:25:51
Whilst innocently Googling to remind myself of the inauguration date of the HST service between Bristol and Paddington, I came across this thread.

I've just spent a few minutes reminiscing, and I thought that some others might like to do the same!


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Reginald25 on June 02, 2019, 21:05:05
Turned up at Reading station for a trip to London in 1976, and travelled on the prototype which was running in place of a Loco hauled train as a trial. totally unexpected.


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: PhilWakely on June 03, 2019, 08:23:02
I was at university in Bath in  the mid-70s and returned for my second year in late September 1976. As a keen rail enthusiast and member of the uni Photographic Club, I was tasked with 'Make a Portfolio of "the new trains"', so spent a wet Saturday at Swindon in early October.

Do you recognise yourself in any of these  ..............

(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1nY_SRvtw9O-l1rJfwQSK50PhxDzaaZOy)
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1e1GZQhjZIjc9bjaJumUzt_2HUkkP65ti)
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1qzS8mFTel4JySh2_dQLOsGofrvx8mIuv)
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1135IbWOX7_5DDtSPYvl3OjurCtTv8J0D)

and add in a 'proper' locomotive  ;)...
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1bB31fUiuqERVMCC76DpabGTOPN6F3TyD)




Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: bradshaw on June 03, 2019, 09:55:07
I had to go to Cardiff back then to be examined for a PhD. I was able to catch the prototype HST  from Paddington to Reading. Then get the Cardiff train from there, which was routed via Bath.
Sadly the day went downhill from there.....


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 03, 2019, 10:38:01
I remember nipping off school for the morning to see the first service arrive at Temple Meads .


Title: Re: On This Day, 4 October 1976 - British Rail began its new 125mph High Speed Train (HST) service
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 03, 2019, 11:08:57
Yes, those were the days.  Long hair, flared trousers, notebook in hand and no mobiles..... ;D



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