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Title: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: Electric train on December 17, 2013, 18:57:33
Well its official NR is now part of the National debt

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/12/17-network-rail-is-nationalised-by.html (http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/12/17-network-rail-is-nationalised-by.html)

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NETWORK RAIL will become a public sector body during the coming year, following a reclassification of the company's status by the Office for National Statistics. The present company was set up in late 2001 to take over from Railtrack, but although NR had no shareholders it was said to be in the private sector.

The change in its status will place its current debt of some ^30 billion into the public accounts for the first time. Network Rail said the change was a largely technical matter and would not affect its governance, structure or investment plans.



Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: JayMac on December 17, 2013, 19:34:57
But will certainly effect how it is seen by politicians. Especially those of a blue hue.

Re-privatisation anyone? At least for some of the juicy bits like the property portfolio. Selling off stations would raise a few bob for HM Treasury.

Buy four London stations and you get to double the rent. Oh, hang on. That's Monopoly^. Wouldn't happen in the real world would it?  ;)


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: SDS on December 17, 2013, 20:50:58
I wonder therefore if Freedom of Information would now apply to it.

NeR battled very hard in the past to not become FoI applicable and took it all the way to the Information Appeal Tribunal.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: paul7575 on December 17, 2013, 21:21:08
I wonder therefore if Freedom of Information would now apply to it. 

They might even let us view their web cams...   ::)

Paul


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: ChrisB on December 18, 2013, 09:37:00
And be subject to austerity measures now?


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: trainer on December 18, 2013, 10:39:28
It seems to be a form of re-nationalisation by stealth. 


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: ChrisB on December 18, 2013, 10:53:23
Not sure about that - I think the National Audit Office has imposed this on HMG


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: bradshaw on December 18, 2013, 11:36:37
Office for National Statistics released this document online yesterday:-
Classification of Network Rail under European System of Accounts 2010
It is available as a pdf download and runs to 9 pages.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_345415.pdf

Effectively it rules that, because Network Rail debt is guaranteed by  the Government, the latter is exposed to the risk and therefore NR is under Government control.

There follows a "New Market Test" which concludes that NR is not a "market body" and is a central Government controlled body and is subject to the new EU rules. This mean that the NR debt has to be added to the National debt.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stebbo on December 18, 2013, 12:37:29
As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stuving on December 18, 2013, 19:03:29
As I remember it, when NR was created there was some dispute about its status, and the decision was pretty close. While the published record doesn't show it, I suspect that by ONS's own tests it was always in the public sector, and they had to be bullied quite hard to accept the (then) government's idea that it was not.

Now at the time it was not 100% clear how NR would operate, and it might have had a reasonable degree of autonomy. However, over the ten years since then DfT has dictated all the financial decisions. So now, with the supporting argument of a common EU definition, the ONS have overturned that original decision (the change is backdated).

What's rather odd is that a technical change in the ONS's statistics should lead to a change in the way NR is managed.



Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: ellendune on December 18, 2013, 19:44:59
As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.

I didn't think there was any doubt about Railtrack's status - or it wouldn't have gone bust!


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stuving on December 18, 2013, 19:54:29
I didn't think there was any doubt about Railtrack's status - or it wouldn't have gone bust!

There is for some of the shareholders, who are still claiming they was robbed as Railtrack was not really independent of government.

Small shareholders of Eurotunnel, who are mostly French, think much the same. In that case it was not a bankruptcy, but the debt reconstructions diluted their shares' value by more than, for example, Greek bonds.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stebbo on December 18, 2013, 20:30:19
Or was the legal position with Railtrack not sufficiently examined?


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: ellendune on December 18, 2013, 20:49:13
Or was the legal position with Railtrack not sufficiently examined?

I thought it was tested in court and found against them.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: Rhydgaled on December 18, 2013, 22:55:34
As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.
Do the IEP and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stuving on December 18, 2013, 23:40:05
Do the IEP and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?

The ONS statement refers only to "not-for-profit institutions" as being affected by these rulest. It adds "From these industries [water and energy] we have therefore concluded that no other bodies in these areas need reclassification under ESA 2010". So no.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: Electric train on December 19, 2013, 18:47:54
Do the IEP and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?
Not as far as the rolling stock part of these projects are concerned, these are contracts between DfT, the manufactures, RoSCo's and financial institutions (banks), the NR parts of the projects do as it is funded to carryout the work


Title: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: bobm on March 30, 2014, 15:50:41
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26807389)

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Punctuality rates were hit by extreme weather, Network Rail said

Network Rail has said it expects to be fined about ^70m - a record figure - for delays suffered by passengers.

The Office of Rail Regulation (ORR) is expected to impose the penalty later this year.

Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays.

For Network Rail to meet the ORR's punctuality target, 92.5% of trains must arrive "on time" - which is defined as within five minutes of the planned time for local services and 10 minutes for long-distance trains.
 
Passenger Focus
 
The company was told last year that it could face a fine of up to ^75m if it failed to hit this target. A Network Rail spokeswoman said a fine of about ^70m was now expected.

The BBC understands the fine could be lower if the ORR accepts that uncontrollable factors such as weather played a significant part in delays.

The previous biggest fine was ^14m, imposed in February 2008 after engineering work overran during the preceding Christmas and New Year period.

'More seats'
 
The fine would relate to Network Rail's performance over a five-year period which ends on Monday.

The company spokeswoman told the BBC the full punctuality statistics for the period were not yet available, but the final figure was likely to be "just short of 90%".

She said missing the target was "disappointing" but the company planned to "restore record levels of performance" with ^38bn of investment in the next five-year period.

The company would "provide more trains, more seats and quicker, greener journeys," she added.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73907000/jpg/_73907198_73907193.jpg)
Engineers are still working to repair the storm-damaged railway line at Dawlish in Devon

An ORR spokeswoman said its assessment of Network Rail's performance for 2009-14 would not be complete until June.

ORR chief executive Richard Price said Network Rail had developed a "comprehensive" improvement plan to "achieve a better railway for Britain".

'Failed to deliver'
 
"Now it is time for the company, in collaboration with the industry, to make it happen," he said.

"ORR will be scrutinising progress closely to ensure plans for extra capacity, expanding and electrifying the railway, improving train punctuality, enhancing the resilience of our rail network to severe weather, closing level crossings and increasing workforce safety are effectively delivered."

David Sidebottom, acting chief executive of Passenger Focus, said passengers would be disappointed that Network Rail had "failed to deliver on its top priority - performance".

"It is essential that it gets a grip of the situation and delivers sustainable improvements," he said.

Network Rail is funded by a mixture of government grants and money from train companies which use the network.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: a-driver on March 30, 2014, 22:45:51
What makes me laugh is this extract from the article:

"Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays"

Now, as Network Rail sells train paths to freight and passenger operators what they're saying is we've effectively oversold paths and as a result we (Network Rail) have created the congestion which is causing the delays. 


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: ellendune on March 31, 2014, 05:11:34
What makes me laugh is this extract from the article:

"Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays"

Now, as Network Rail sells train paths to freight and passenger operators what they're saying is we've effectively oversold paths and as a result we (Network Rail) have created the congestion which is causing the delays. 
So then they refuse extra train paths to virgin and they are told they are being too restrictive.  They do have a consistent story here.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: a-driver on March 31, 2014, 05:47:13
But it is Network Rails job to manage the network, wether that is limiting the number of freight or passenger paths or just better scheduling. 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.
There's also a large number of services delayed by Freightliner services outside Reading, again, the same services are delayed by the same Freightliners every night.  That's unfortunately down to Network Rails poor management.

At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: grahame on March 31, 2014, 09:11:49
At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?

The whole bigger question is "how do you motivate 'Network Rail' to do a good job?"    It's not a for-profit company with shareholders / owners, for example.  But then the same question can be asked of any nationalised or seminationalised service / industry, and the question if it were private is "do we really want profit rather than service to be the motivator?"

And I'm not even sure if the failure to reach targets was due to bad management, calculated risks taken that went against calculations, or sheer bad luck.

Another cog in the complex world of the railway money-go-round.  Does the money get paid by the passenger in the end, or get quietly added back in to grants and payments for capital projects from government which dwarf the 70 million?




Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: ChrisB on March 31, 2014, 15:49:24
The latter - and you can be sure that NR include these potential fines within the contingences witin their CPx forecast.

Total moneygoround....


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: eightf48544 on March 31, 2014, 16:46:23
The whole bigger question is "how do you motivate 'Network Rail' to do a good job?"    It's not a for-profit company with shareholders / owners, for example. 

Another interesting question, we seem to have have lost the "Public Service" ethos since Thatcher who denigrated the whole concept.

In my time on the railway in the early 60s we were accused of playing trains, but there was a spirit of the train must get through. Hence me piloting 8 COR from Sutton to Selhurst at 21:00 on a Sunday night because the driver didn't know the road. Engineering work at HAckbridge on its normal route.Wouldn't be allowed now! Thus we would have blocked Sutton until a driver could be found which would have probably been several hours.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on March 31, 2014, 16:53:23
But it is Network Rails job to manage the network, wether that is limiting the number of freight or passenger paths or just better scheduling. 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.

Production of the detailed timetables is, of course, NR's job. The number of trains allowed to run on the network is down to the ORR which has to approve track access applications. They have been known to refuse applications because of predicted effects on timekeeping. Souther Railway's application for a fourth train to Brighton each hour from London is a case in point.

It's not all NR's fault.

There's also a large number of services delayed by Freightliner services outside Reading, again, the same services are delayed by the same Freightliners every night.  That's unfortunately down to Network Rails poor management.

At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?

Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

Corrected typo.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: a-driver on March 31, 2014, 17:23:18
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Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

Corrected typo.


It'll improve flow through Reading for some services but freight will still cause delays coming across Southcote Junction, which I believe should have dived under the Westbury lines and will still cause problems between Reading West Jnc and Oxford for relief line services.

Anyone who uses the Readng to Basingstoke will now the route isn't the best for punctuality and that boils down to the fact freight is given priority.  Freightliners are given that priority because of the stiffer financial penalties Network Rail receive if they run late.
You've only got to look at huge disruption events like a fatality. When the line reopens th first thing they do is send all the freight through, an hour or so later it'll reopen it to passenger traffic.
The priorities now are all wrong, the railway is no longer a public service.  If the financial penalties to Network Rail were the same for both freight and passenger traffic things would be very different.



Edit note: Quote mark fixed, for clarity. CfN.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: SDS on March 31, 2014, 18:16:19
And I suspect the directors will still get their bribe bonus. The lower grade staff will more than likely loose their bonuses to 'pay' for it.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: trainer on April 01, 2014, 10:04:08
 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.

I was on one such last week and the train manager made sure we knew why we were running late each time he apologised - 'they've helpfully let a freight train go in front of us'.  Point taken.


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on April 01, 2014, 18:49:19
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Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

Corrected typo.


It'll improve flow through Reading for some services but freight will still cause delays coming across Southcote Junction, which I believe should have dived under the Westbury lines and will still cause problems between Reading West Jnc and Oxford for relief line services.

Anyone who uses the Readng to Basingstoke will now the route isn't the best for punctuality and that boils down to the fact freight is given priority.  Freightliners are given that priority because of the stiffer financial penalties Network Rail receive if they run late.
You've only got to look at huge disruption events like a fatality. When the line reopens th first thing they do is send all the freight through, an hour or so later it'll reopen it to passenger traffic.
The priorities now are all wrong, the railway is no longer a public service.  If the financial penalties to Network Rail were the same for both freight and passenger traffic things would be very different.



Edit note: Quote mark fixed, for clarity. CfN.

In principle I agree with you that a grade separated junction at Southcote would be an improvement. Ideally, I would suggest, that this could also include an independent line for the north-south (and vice versa) container trains to the west of the existing lines which would connects directly into the Reading West Curve to Scours Lane. It would need a new bridge over the Oxford Road, so it is an expensive pipe-dream!

However, the best is often the enemy of the good and it may be that a new bridge at Southcote would be a bridge too far in terms of expenditure. Don't forget that the traffic density in this area is already less than that seen on the GW's main route so any expenditure is unlikely to have such a dramatic effect in reducing delay minutes as that on the main line. The improvements already being made will certainly reduce the number of conflicts at the Reading junctions and the additional platform roads will also increase throughput so it may be difficult to justify an expenditure of ^50 to ^100m for further reduction in what will already be a reduced number of delays.

It has been suggested that the capacity of the Reading-Basingstoke line could be increased by adding some more signals. A further reduction of delays to the container trains, and hence also in the passenger traffic, has been proposed by adding an additional line at Basingstoke to the north of the existing platforms (essentially on the site of the old GW station) and allowing the freights to join the South Western line on the less congested western side of Basingstoke station. Whether this proposal is being taken forward at the moment I don't know.

An area which will be upgraded in this Control Period is the section from Didcot North junction through Oxford to Wolvercote and this should also ease regulation. This will almost certainly reduce knock-on delays further reducing the justification for a Southcote flyover.

My main point though is that conflicts will always occur. It is also certainly true that poor choices have been made in train regulation. However, what one doesn't know from the information at hand is whether, to take your example of a freight being sent out in front of a passenger train with the result that the passenger train was 10 minutes late at Reading, another choice might have caused even more delays further down the line if the freight had been held and as a result missed its path at, say, Aynho Junction causing mayhem later in Birmingham. Freight doesn't necessarily have priority, but the FOC does have a contract with NR concerning performance, as do the TOCs, so the FOC also expects fair treatment. It also has to get its freight to its customers on time - or, at least, as near as possible to time!

The other point you make - about freights being sent through first after a fatality - may well be true if a suitable fright train is in the area. After all, containers are less likely to be upset by the sight of body parts than are passengers.

It's all a compromise, but the DeltaRail signalling and traffic control equipment at Didcot ROC holds the potential to minimise global delays by working through all the consequences of a suggested course of action before a decision is made. Computers are good at things like that - it is entirely possible that life will get better!


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: ChrisB on April 02, 2014, 08:50:33
Fright train - love it :-)


Title: Re: Network Rail expecting record ^70m fine for delays
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on April 02, 2014, 10:24:30
Damn spill chucker^!


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 12, 2014, 17:05:25
From the Financial Times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc31718c-156a-11e4-ae2e-00144feabdc0.html):

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UK train track owner Network Rail to be nationalised

Britain^s record-breaking ^38bn investment in the railways is to come under tighter government scrutiny when the body responsible for implementing the changes is in effect nationalised next month.

Following a European Union edict, Network Rail, the state-backed organisation that owns and operates Britain^s railway infrastructure, is to be reclassified as a public body on September 1, with its ^34.2bn gross debt shifted from the private sector on to the government^s balance sheet. As part of the move it will no longer borrow on the public markets but will receive loans from the government.

Network Rail, headed by Mark Carne, a former senior executive at Royal Dutch Shell, said it was a ^statistical change^ that would have little effect on passengers. But it added that it would ^mean greater accountability and transparency to parliament, the tax and fare payer, who rightly deserve to better understand the value of their significant investment in Britain^s booming railway^.

The changes have been welcomed for bringing an end to 13 years in which the body^s ambiguous status has raised major questions about its accountability to taxpayers, who will provide about 60 per cent of its ^38bn income over the next five years.

Network Rail, which controls railway tracks, signals, overhead wires, tunnels, bridges, level crossings and 2,500 stations, has been a private company since it was set up in 2002 ^ as ministers have always liked to point out at moments of acute controversy.

That private company has no shareholders and is held to account by 43 members who attend annual meetings and approve the appointment of directors, largely drawn from the private sector. At the same time its finances are guaranteed unconditionally by the UK government.

With the company now reclassified as a public body, the government is keen to introduce a more stringent governance framework. It is concerned that politicians will be forced to carry the blame for any future problems with punctuality, rail services, or finances.

The Office for Rail Regulation, which is funded by a levy on train operators, is already engaged in talks with the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee as to how it can provide more detailed information.

^Network Rail will have a different relationship with government,^ an ORR spokesperson said. ^Essentially they will become a part of the public sector and there are various rules they will need to comply with. They will have to report on their financial performance to parliament in a way they haven^t had to before.^

Network Rail^s executive pay and bonuses, long a bone of contention with unions, are also likely to be restructured so that incentives are more closely matched to performance, the ORR said. It emerged earlier this year that the company had paid out bonuses of ^1m at the same time as being fined ^53m for failing to meet train punctuality targets.

The reforms ^ spurred by the Treasury ^ have created Whitehall friction as officials at the Department for Transport try to work out the new governance arrangements. ^The DFT is much less keen on this than the Treasury,^ said one Whitehall official.

The DFT confirmed it was still working to ^determine the best approach to the company^s corporate governance and financial management^ but a framework agreement is expected to be published next month.

Experts warn there could be a danger of the body becoming a political football, despite claims it will maintain operational independence.

Stephen Joseph, head of the Campaign for Better Transport, said: ^Ministers will have a more direct relationship with Network Rail. What will happen is that MPs will go to ministers, saying ^if you want my vote on this or that I need better rail services in my constituency.^

Another senior rail figure added: ^Ministers will be more responsible. In the old days they took credit for the positive but when things were negative they hid behind the fact that it was a private company. It will be much harder for politicians to castigate it.^

Of Network Rail^s ^34.2bn debt, ^33.2bn is in listed bonds, meaning it has been paying an increasing amount of its income on servicing its debts. In the financial year 2013/14, it incurred ^1.4bn in financing costs, representing 22 per cent of total revenues of ^6.3bn.

Network Rail^s revenue comprises the grant ^ 62 per cent; track access charges from train operators ^ 34 per cent; and property and station retail income ^ 4 per cent.

The ^38bn over five years consists of a ^6bn-a-year grant from government, which includes ^2.5bn of track access charges paid by train operators. The remaining ^8bn comes from a mixture of property, retail income and loans.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: grahame on September 01, 2014, 22:37:41
Change has happened ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/transport-infrastructure-network-rail?

Statement by The Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP

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In December 2013, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) announced that, due to a change in European reporting rules, Network Rail Limited with all of its subsidiaries would be reclassified as a central government body. That decision takes effect today (1 September 2014), and Network Rail is now a public sector arm^s-length body of the Department for Transport.

The government has approached its response to the ONS decision in partnership with Network Rail, with an emphasis firmly on the preservation of Network Rail^s ability to continue to manage its business with appropriate commercial freedom, within effective regulatory and control frameworks appropriate for a company in the public sector.

Today, I am publishing a framework agreement between the Department for Transport and Network Rail which sets out how both bodies will interact in terms of corporate governance and financial management. By working closely with Network Rail, my department has delivered a framework that provides appropriate accountability to Parliament and the taxpayer while preserving Network Rail^s operational independence. This both keeps clear Network Rail^s accountability for its performance and maintains the regulatory process managed by ORR to give industry the confidence to plan for the long term.

Given that Network Rail is now part of the public sector and government^s accounts, I will fulfil an enhanced role in overseeing the company. The framework agreement sets out how I and my officials will take on new responsibilities:

I will appoint future Chairs of Network Rail and approve or be consulted on other key governance changes
I will approve Network Rail^s remuneration policy and pay for executive directors
These changes have been reflected in ^Network Rail^s articles of association^ and agreed by Network Rail Members on 29 August 2014.

My department will also ensure that Network Rail complies with Parliamentary reporting requirements, Managing public money and other relevant public sector-wide rules.

I am also publishing a memorandum of understanding between the Department for Transport and the Scottish ministers, setting out how they will be involved in future decisions on Network Rail^s governance and financial management, and a loan facility agreement entered into between me and Network Rail Infrastructure Limited.

And the Guardian's take

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/01/great-british-railway-rake-off-rolls-on?

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Congratulations, dear reader! As of this morning, you have racked up an extra ^539 in debt. No, you haven^t just bought a new wardrobe. You haven^t made a deposit on a winter break. And it^s not because of that heavy eBay session where you overbid for a signed Bulgarian copy of Wet Wet Wet^s first LP.

Nor are you alone. I^m another 539 quid in the red too ^ as are each of the other 63 million Britons. Put all those sums together and the entire country has just lost ^34bn. How did we manage that? The short answer is that some statisticians made it so. The Office for National Statistics has decided that, under new accounting rules, Network Rail can no longer be called a private company. It was always borrowing on the state^s behalf, and if anything went wrong with Network Rail, it was always going to be taxpayers who would be on the hook. So as of this week it goes on the public balance sheet, its ^34bn of debt now indelibly inked next to our names.

etc


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: JayMac on September 02, 2014, 03:20:08
As a central government body it will now, I presume, be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: paul7575 on September 02, 2014, 10:08:52
As a central government body it will now, I presume, be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

A number of news reports recently have said it will remain exempt.

Paul


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on September 02, 2014, 10:24:56
As a central government body it will now, I presume, be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

A number of news reports recently have said it will remain exempt.

Paul

The 'framework-agreement.pdf' between the DfT and Network Rail begs to differ.
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1.15 The Government and Network Rail have agreed that Network Rail will be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 in relation to its public functions. This requires secondary legislation, which the Government will be bringing forward at the next opportunity.


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: SDS on September 02, 2014, 13:18:46
Just how long will Secondary Legislation take to do? Forget or draw it out, run out of time and bang it won't happen!


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: paul7575 on September 02, 2014, 16:45:32
The 'framework-agreement.pdf' between the DfT and Network Rail begs to differ.
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1.15 The Government and Network Rail have agreed that Network Rail will be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 in relation to its public functions. This requires secondary legislation, which the Government will be bringing forward at the next opportunity.

One can only assume then that last weeks media stories were groundless, eg in the Guardian's article they seemed to be quoting it as a certainty from the TSSA secretary, who was insisting it was not to be subject to FOI.  Perhaps he was just getting his retaliation in first...

Paul


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: ChrisB on September 02, 2014, 17:01:19
Isn't the date of that agreement 29th August?....Thus *after* the TSSA & Guardian comment?....I think you're thinking along the right lines....they didn't know!


Title: Re: Network Rail to become public sector body in 2014
Post by: stuving on September 07, 2018, 20:13:06
As a rider to this thread, here's a thing that may sound familiar. National statistics office reclassifies national railway infrastructure operator as part of the state sector, having been trying to get the government to do so for years.

In this case, however, it's happened in France. It is perhaps not surprising that RFF was labelled as independent, though not commercial, when created (1997), for the same reasons as Network Rail was - both were set up for similar reasons. (The surprise was that the French ever did it this way, while the Germans didn't.) But looking at the details, most of them are different.

The statisticians (Insée) do not seem to think the reform of 2014 made much difference, though it looked a lot like merging RFF back into SNCF then minimally splitting them along a different line. What they have done is to look again at the accounts of RFF and SNCF Réseau, and have concluded that they do not earn enough to eventually pay off their debts. Thus they are dependent on some sugar daddy to do that, and only the state is going to put their hand on their (necessarily big, very big) wallet for that one.

This sheds a different light on this year's reform, which saw the unions arguing for all this debt to be taken on by the state, and the government reluctantly agreeing to adopt most of it in return for what they wanted - reducing the unions future influence. So, that nice M Macron and his buddies were sneakily making a virtue out a necessity. This also explains why they were in such a hurry; so as to get the whole process done this summer before the news came out.

Now, does anyone know which sector DB Netz officially belongs to?



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