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Title: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: bobm on September 15, 2014, 13:12:55 Services on FGW, Chiltern and Cross Country all being affected by a line closure at Banbury while a trespasser remains on a signal gantry.
XC are turning round at either Oxford or Reading for the south while Chiltern are running as far as Bicester North from Marylebone. Line has been closed since just before 10am. Updates here from the Banbury Guardian http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/local-news/banbury-railway-station-closed-after-man-climbs-signal-gantry-1-6299131 (http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/local-news/banbury-railway-station-closed-after-man-climbs-signal-gantry-1-6299131) Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2014, 13:33:27 Pax are tweeting that they've been stuck on southbound trains for over 3 hours now.
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2014, 13:47:24 Further, I'm hearing this guy has been tazered by the police, which has annoyed him so much that he threw his bag at them, and is now into a major stand off.
Negotiators needed, not heavy-handed coppers.... Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: bobm on September 15, 2014, 13:57:41 If he was indeed tazered that may well have been an attempt to get him in the hands of the emergency services as he is reported to have lost a lot of blood rather than just get him down so everything can get moving again. As always we should be careful not to jump to conclusions.
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2014, 14:05:57 Indeed, he might have subsequently fallen from said gantry afterwards & hurt himself further. Whichever way you look at this, tazering was not the answer.
The station is in lockdown, and drivers are stuck in their rest room wanting to go home too. Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2014, 14:22:51 I hear the suicidal trespasser is down from the gantry
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: bobm on September 15, 2014, 15:13:50 Line reopened just before 3pm but part of the station still sealed off.
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: SDS on September 15, 2014, 15:36:11 At first I thought it was BTP that had used a tazer on the suspect, and would have believed that with the gun crazy BTP met rejects, but it appears from the log that it might have been TVP.
Just hope the guy is in safe hands now and receiving the treatment that they need. Core Incident message: 25 1515: No update 1455: Buses to stand down at 1530 with ticket acceptance still in place and to remain so until ICC advise. 1435: Platform 1 will be closed UFN. Declared a scene of crime. Platforms 2 and 3 will remain open. 1429: Platforms 2 and 3 at Banbury now open. Platform 1 will remain closed until further notice ([Message Sanitised]) 1426: UPDATE: 1G40 1345 MYB-BSW will be the first train through Banbury heading north (now approaching Haddenham and Thame) 1424: 1R42 1415 MYB-BMO will be the first train to run through Banbury as booked. It is hoped that a full service shall resume from between 1500-1530 although with delay on most services and possible part/full capes. 1415: 1H33 0809 KID-MYB has moved through the section on the UP and has now passed Banbury after passengers have alighted at Banbury. More when known. 1405: Suspect is now off the signal at Banbury and recieving treatment at Banbury on platform 2. More info when known. 1340: No further update from site. 1H33 is to procede forward to Banbury goods loop to detrain. All lines remain blocked: Road Transport: 8 coaches currently shuttling BCS-BAN-LMS. Attempting to source more. Additional coaches being directed towards BCS as station have reported approx 250 passengers on site. 1255: Here follows service plan UFN: All MYB- BAN & BCS services and return workings to be cancelled. 2TPH (XX15 and XX45) to run MYB-BCS and return, calling HWY, PRR & HDM). XX12, XX21, XX25, XX42, XX52 services to run as booked from MYB. 2TPH BMO-LMS, XX15 & XX55 alongside the booked 2L/2R services. Snow Hill will not be served. 1235: 70 seater coach enroute to BAN tramway. ETA 10mins. 1225: NO further updates from site. Services continue to spin LMS and BCS. Road transport status: 6 X coaches shuttling LMS-BCS via BAN along with several 16 seaters. Attempting to source more, however, most companies need buses back on depot circa 1400 for school runs so currently proving difficult. 1210: No further updates from site. Permission has now been granted to move stranded trains forward to BAN to detrain. Line will remain blocked. 1140: No further updates from site. Tentative plans being made to detrain passengers from 1R15, which has been standing just south of BAN. Additional buses now being sourced to BCS, ETA 10mins. FGW have 2 buses running BAN-OXF, ETA 15mins. 1120: This has now been declared a critical incident; male has lost a significant amount of blood. Services continue to spin at LMS and BCS. 1105: Local police have advised that male is very unresponsive to communication and are not confident of a speedy resolution. Road transport LMS: 2 X 16 seaters ETA 5mins & 2 coaches ETA 1200. BCS 2 x COaches ETA 5mins. 1050: No further updates from site. Services at a stand on the up: 1O08 (XC), 1H35 and 1H37 (CR). At a stand on the down: 1R15 (CR) and 1M30 (XC). 1G17 is currently setting back to KGS to detrain. 1040: No further updates from site. Services presently being turned at BCS (from the south) and LMS (from the north). 1020: Negotiator onsite. Male continues to self harm. Attempting to source road transport, however, Banbury station has been cordened off by police. 1005: Banbury station now partially cordened off. At present 1R15 and 1G17 standing on the down, 1H35 and 1H37 standing on the up. 0955: Thames Valley Police on site. Male is armed with a knife and is asking for a negotiator. 0945: A suicidal male has been sighted atop signal post BN4 at Banbury. All lines blocked. 1R15 stands outside the station on the down. More info when known. Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2014, 18:20:48 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-29208022):
Quote Banbury station reopens after man scaled signal gantry Banbury train station in Oxfordshire has reopened after it was closed when a man scaled the signal gantry. British Transport Police said the man, who is in his 20s, is now down from the gantry. He has been taken to hospital with serious injuries. The incident started just before 10:00 BST with some passengers reporting being stuck on trains for five hours. Officers have said they were aware of reports the man had a knife and trained negotiators had been talking to him. Tom Hayes, was travelling from Birmingham to London. He was stuck on a stationary train for five and a half hours. He said: "We managed to keep up to date on Twitter and Facebook. We got a couple of updates from the driver, who walked through the train, but we didn't really know what was going on." Having missed the filming he was travelling to London for, Mr Hayes decided to return to Birmingham. He said: "We've just arrived at Banbury station but I've given up now and I'm going home. Trains are running now, albeit in an ad-hoc way." A British Transport Police spokesman said trains had been stopped while the incident was ongoing. He added that officers had voluntarily referred the matter to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Jennifer Payne, customer service director at Chiltern Railways, said services were "heavily impacted" by the incident and apologised to customers. She said: "The line has now reopened but passengers may experience delays and short notice cancellations whilst we try and get services back to normal and trains back to their usual positions. Customers impacted by the disruption may be eligible for compensation and those affected should complete a form either at one of our stations or by visiting our website." Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: Electric train on September 15, 2014, 18:53:03 The tazer would not have been used in gun ho manor, the Police Officer would only use it if there was a treat of injury themselves, a member of the public or the suspect; its unlikely they would have used it as a first choice of restraint high up on a signal gantry.
I believe if a tazer is discharged it is treated the same as if the Police Office discharged a firearm .......... = lots of form filling and report writing Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2014, 20:22:54 Indeed: this incident has already been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, by the police themselves.
We should await the results of their investigation before commenting further. :-X Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2014, 21:26:35 Do they publish their findings in every case they investigate?
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2014, 21:33:18 Details should be made available on the website of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, at http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/investigations_and_reports
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: eightf48544 on September 15, 2014, 22:37:42 What surprises me is that people were trapped on trains for up to 5 hours. Surely it should have been possible to work them back wrong line one by one to say Leamington, Oxford or Bicester North
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2014, 08:30:27 One assumes that there was an initial delay to see if the police could tempt him down quickly - by which time, there were trains being held at those stations as well as between & no way back....
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2014, 13:44:37 From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11473568.UPDATE__Train_delays_as_man_climbs_signal_gantry_at_Banbury_station/?ref=var_0)
Quote POLICE shot a Taser at the man who closed Banbury Station today, it has been confirmed tonight. The man is in a serious condition in hospital after he fell from the signal gantry he had scaled at the station this morning. Police said the man was harming himself with a knife during the near five-hour incident as officers tried to negotiate with him to come down. Thames Valley Police spokeswoman Michelle Nicols said a Taser stun gun was fired but it was not known tonight if this is what caused him to fall on to platform 1 just after 2pm. Train services were cancelled for more than five hours and delays continued into the afternoon. However they were back running to schedule by the evening rush-hour. The man climbed onto the gantry on platform 1 just after 9am. Thames Valley Police spokeswoman Hannah Williams said: "A man was standing on a gantry at the railway station where he was harming himself with a knife. The man subsequently fell from the gantry and was detained. "He was taken by ambulance to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford where his condition is described as serious." A South Central Ambulance Service spokesman said it was believed he had suffered a neck injury. Both Thames Valley and British Transport Police have contacted the Independent Police Complaints Commission over the incident. A witness said the man appeared to be covered in blood when he was on the gantry. Sarah Jones, 22, was at the station this morning to try and catch a train to Oxford, and saw the man, believed to be in his 20s, on the gantry at platform 1. She said: ^At about 9.30am I saw a man sat on the pylon. Police were running through the station to try and talk him down. ^I don^t know what he^d done to himself but he was covered in blood. ^He^s wearing a yellow t-shirt and from the neckline to the bottom, right down the middle, was pure red. His hands were all red too.^ Police officers had been trying to negotiate with the man to come down safely. Miss Jones, from Banbury, said: ^He was shouting at police officers, kicking out at them and throwing things at them. ^He then started using his hands to pull the wires apart.^ Miss Jones said that staff and police had been trying to talk the man down and that all platforms were evacuated at about 10.15am. She said: ^We were told to go upstairs and stay away from the windows and things. ^There was a woman who said she was a mental health social worker who knew him. She^s with the police talking to him.^ The full-time mum said: ^It was really scary, no one was expecting this. There were little kids around and things. It must have been terrifying for them.^ Buses replaced trains between Bicester North and Banbury and also between Oxford and Banbury. The bridge in Bridge Street was closed. As well as train cancellations, buses were affected. Stagecoach Oxford has said that the 500 service was unable to serve Middleton Road during the incident. Banbury deputy police commander Ch Insp Helen Roberts said: ^I understand there was significant disruption to people on trains and to those planning to use the railway station which was essential while officers worked to resolve the situation. ^I would like to thank the public for their patience while the incident was ongoing.^ So the Police tasered a known Mental Health patient.....hmmm Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: JayMac on September 16, 2014, 13:52:02 And? Is there anything in the Police use of Taser^ code of practice that says they can't use it on someone with mental health issues?
Don't answer that. As it would only be further unfounded speculation. Let's just let the agencies involved get on with investigating what happened. Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2014, 13:53:01 Indeed. Let's see what the IPCC makes of both referrals.
Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: SDS on September 16, 2014, 17:48:28 Have a read of this rather long document in regards to arms and tasers. These are the rules the police are expected to follow. I reckon that the guy who was tazer'ed could technically actually sue the police force under HRA. If anything happens out of it would be a matter for the courts and judicial process.
I would be interested to see which force shot first and the grounds, something im sure the IPCC will find out if the police forces co-operate. http://www.westmercia.police.uk/assets/_files/documents/jul_13/wmp__1372866447_APP_Armed_Policing_Printable_f.pdf Disclaimer: Im not a lawyer blah blah. Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 16, 2014, 23:55:09 I'm posting the following three news items as a summary of what is known so far about what happened at Banbury. However, as I hope we're all agreed, any further speculation would be inappropriate: we need to await the Independent Police Complaints Commission's findings.
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-29226135): Quote Banbury station stand-off referred to watchdog The police watchdog has received a referral over a stand-off between officers and a man who had scaled a signal gantry at a railway station. Thames Valley Police confirmed a Taser was fired during the incident in Banbury, which caused travel chaos. Police said the man was harming himself with a knife and fell from the gantry. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said the force was required to make the referral because the man had been seriously injured. The force could not confirm whether the man had been hit by the Taser. The man, in his 20s, was taken to hospital on Monday. Some passengers reported being stuck on a train for five hours while Banbury station was closed. British Transport Police also referred the incident to the IPCC, which is yet to launch a full investigation. From the Banbury Guardian (http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/local-news/station-incident-latest-police-confirm-man-was-tasered-1-6301497): Quote Station incident latest: Police confirm man was tasered Police have confirmed a man in his 20s who climbed a signal gantry at Banbury Railway Station was harming himself with a knife and had to be tasered by officers after he fell. The station was cordoned off at 9.40am after the man from Banbury climbed the gantry next to the main town centre railway bridge and refused to come down. All train services were cancelled and roads around the station were closed. At 2pm police negotiators were able to talk the man down but police had to taser him in order to detain him. He was then taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital with injuries described as serious. Thames Valley POlice issued a statement yesterday evening saying: ^Thames Valley Police attended a fear for welfare incident at Banbury Railway Station earlier today. Shortly after 9.30am TVP officers attended the scene where there was a concern for a man^s welfare. Train services were suspended while the incident was ongoing. A man was standing on a gantry at the railway station where he was harming himself with a knife. The man subsequently fell from the gantry and was detained. Taser was deployed by TVP officers during the incident. He was taken by ambulance to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford where his condition is described as serious.^ The matter has been referred by British Transport Police to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) and Thames Valley Police has also notified the IPCC as a matter of routine. Chief Inspector Helen Roberts, LPA Deputy Commander for Banbury, said: ^I understand there was significant disruption to people on trains and to those planning to use the railway station which was essential while officers worked to resolve the situation. I would like to thank the public for their patience while the incident was ongoing.^ From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/yourtown/banbury/11474885.Police_fire_Taser_at_man_to_end_rail_station_stand_off/?ref=rss): Quote Police fire Taser at man to end rail station stand-off (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/resources/images/3261677/?htype=0) The man threatens to jump, harming himself as a police officer climbs to help at Banbury train station Police fired a Taser at a knife-wielding man who closed Banbury Station when he climbed on to a signal gantry, it emerged last night. The near five-hour stand-off with officers was ended yesterday when the man ^ who police said was harming himself with a knife ^ fell from the gantry. He was taken to Oxford^s John Radcliffe Hospital and was last night said to be in a serious condition. Thames Valley Police spokeswoman Michelle Nichols said police did fire a Taser but could not confirm if the man was struck by its barbs. The man had scaled the structure just after 9am. The station was shut during the incident, causing severe delays to rail services. Eyewitness Sarah Jones, 22, was planning to catch a train to Oxford yesterday morning. She said: ^At about 9.30am I saw a man sat on the pylon. Police were running through the station to try to talk him down. I don^t know what he^d done to himself, but he was covered in blood. He was wearing a yellow T-shirt and from the neckline to the bottom, right down the middle, was pure red. His hands were all red too.^ Police officers attempted to talk the man down. Miss Jones, from Banbury, added: ^He was shouting at police officers, kicking out at them and throwing things at them. He then started using his hands to pull the wires apart.^ Miss Jones said all platforms were evacuated at about 10.15am. She said: ^We were told to go upstairs and stay away from the windows and things. There was a woman who said she was a mental health social worker who knew him. She was with the police talking to him.^ The full-time mum said: ^It was really scary. No one was expecting this. There were little kids around. It must have been terrifying for them.^ Craig Barrie, who lives behind the station, added: ^They shut off the bridge in Bridge Street and no one was allowed over it, except one woman who was escorted by police over the bridge at one point. The negotiators kept putting their hands up, gesturing for him to come down.^ The 40-year-old, full-time dad of six, said: ^The police actually tried getting up on the gantry hole and he turned around and went backwards over the side. He landed on the platform on his back and everyone rushed towards him ^ police, paramedics, everyone. It was quite dramatic and traumatic.^ Chiltern Rail and CrossCountry trains through Banbury were cancelled and delayed, with replacement buses running between the station and Bicester North and Oxford. Buses were also affected, due to the bridge closure and Middleton Road being closed to traffic. British Transport Police spokesman Brian Price said: ^Trained negotiators from Thames Valley Police spoke to the man while he remained on the gantry above the tracks. The man jumped from the gantry shortly after 2pm and was detained by officers before being taken by ambulance to John Radcliffe.^ Both forces have contacted the Independent Police Complaints Commission over the incident. The station re-opened at 2.30pm, and normal train services were resumed shortly after 5pm. Title: Re: Trespasser at Banbury - 15 Sep 14 Post by: ChrisB on September 22, 2014, 15:07:48 IPCC passed it back to Thames Valley Police....from the Banbury Guardian (http://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/local-news/railway-station-incident-inquiry-to-be-held-locally-1-6312618)
Quote The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has referred the circumstances surrounding a fear for welfare incident in Banbury back to Thames Valley Police to conduct an internal enquiry. Both British Transport Police and Thames Valley Police notified the IPCC last week after a man climbed a signal gantry at Banbury Railway Station and remained there for five hours before falling down and being tasered by police to prevent him causing harm to himself and others. TVP will now conduct a local investigation in to the incident. The man in his 20s was taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford where it is understood he remains in a stable condition. Fat chance of a proper inquiry now. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |