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Title: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 06, 2014, 05:47:36
Major disruption expected this morning due to signalling problems near Slough.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 06, 2014, 06:57:29
No signals working at all between Slough and Iver caused by a damaged signalling cable.

In otherwords, we suspect Network Rail have cut through a signal cable whilst undertaking engineering works at about 00:30 this morning.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 06, 2014, 07:38:06
Topic split off from http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14258 - a major discussion concerning delays on 14th July 2014.

This morning's diagram ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/tr_graphic_2014_10_06.jpg)

Those of the team who met up on Saturday were discussing (in relation to CrossCounty) how the trains go a very long way but most of the traffic is for much shorter journeys ... stand at York, see a Penzance train, and know that few passengers joining will be going to Cornwall ... or even Devon.    Let's hope there's a lot of that about this morning ... with sets that would normally be used for runs like Exeter to Paddington doing Castle Cary to Reading instead.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 06, 2014, 07:59:41
Absolute shower of s***

I was on a PLY-PAD service yesterday, grossly overcrowded to the point of danger due to other train failures (there was luggage in the vestibules and aisles blocking access as there was no room for people, never mind bags) and am aware of numerous other services with similar conditions, complete under provision of replacement transport at Didcot etc (bustitution now seems about as reliable as the trains they are supposed to replace, if they turn up at all), and now the week starts with colossal volumes of cancellations due (it is suspected) to some clown cutting through a cable.

Last time we were told that Hopwood would be "signalling" his displeasure to Network Rail, what's the message today I wonder?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 06, 2014, 09:36:50
Groundhog day again. I managed to rush to Twyford to get the 0643 stopper which after lengthy waits at Slough West and in Slough P3, and a crawl to Iver, eventually made it to Ealing Broadway at 0821 some 48 mins late where I bailed for the Central Line. However from RTT it looks like I might have been quite lucky, I see that the 0600 Bristol TM - Paddington HST has just taken slightly over TWO HOURS to travel from RDG to PAD.

Yes same old, same old, but what's just got my goat is listening to some NR spokesbot on BBC Radio Berkshire saying "we'll learn our lessons for next time". No you bl**dy won't, you'll just send along some other faceless bloke to say exactly the same thing.  >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on October 06, 2014, 10:45:05
I see that Journeycheck is saying "signalling problems" led to all these cancellations, while the code in RTT is "power failure (IE)". Presumably that means the power supply to the signals has gone ... in which case restoring it should be a simpler single task (though not necessarily any quicker).


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 10:52:47
Apparently, some 1640 metres of 650v cable has needed to be replaced.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 06, 2014, 11:13:44
I see that Journeycheck is saying "signalling problems" led to all these cancellations, while the code in RTT is "power failure (IE)". Presumably that means the power supply to the signals has gone ... in which case restoring it should be a simpler single task (though not necessarily any quicker).

All the signals between Slough and Iver are black on all four lines.  Currently operating what is known as Temporary Block Working on the up and down mains only with Network Rail handsignallers at both Slough and Iver.  It should take around 20 minutes to pass through the affected area once a train leaves the point of entry to the TBW section. 


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 11:44:01
Replacement 650v cable now installed and power restored. However there are still some 650v power supply problems in nearby locations.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 06, 2014, 12:04:44
The BBC's Tom Edwards has just tweeted: "Network Rail say repairs at Slough have been completed BUT a further fault has been identified. Only able to allow 4 trains ph each way."

(Just checked the latest on RTT and the 0628 SWA-PAD which left RDG at 0916 didn't make it into PAD until 1151^, 141 minutes late)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 06, 2014, 12:14:23
Seemed to be more staff out and about at Swindon this morning. Perhaps a sign that they (FGW) are learning their lesson about getting people and information out there?

As usual the most up to date information seems to be coming from this forum, something we can all be proud of.  ;D

EDIT: I guess it's an advantage having line control upstairs.  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 12:29:01
Following replacement of 650v cable in affected area and powering up the system it was discovered that there was no power further along at the next relay location. Fortunately, new cable is already in place at this location and work is now in hand to connect that up. Testing should be underway by 1300.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 06, 2014, 12:37:23
Following replacement of 650v cable in affected area and powering up the system it was discovered that there was no power further along at the next relay location. Fortunately, new cable is already in place at this location and work is now in hand to connect that up. Testing should be underway by 1300.

I'm hearing the cable was crushed during engineering works, although obviously I can't confirm it.

What I find astounding is how the infrastructure is so fragile and contingency planning so feeble that damage to a pretty basic bit of kit can cause total and utter chaos for what is likely to be getting towards 24 hours by the time it's all done and dusted......no doubt we will get the usual platitudes from FGW about expecting better etc etc but frankly it is difficult to take them seriously........what a way to celebrate a 5 year franchise extension.......no doubt the best is yet to come!  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 12:40:09
From the BBC (http://):

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Signalling problems at Slough cause rail delays

Rail commuters are facing travel misery after signalling equipment was damaged near Slough during overnight engineering work.

First Great Western (FGW) is operating a "severely reduced" service into Paddington, adding up to an hour to journeys.

The rail company has advised passengers to avoid travelling between Reading and Paddington.

It said attempts to repair the problem had "so far been unsuccessful".

The problems are also affecting services to and from the west of England, Swansea, Bristol, Oxford, Cheltenham Spa and Worcester.

'No announcements'

A message on the FGW website earlier said: "Following overnight engineering work, signalling equipment has been damaged between Slough and West Drayton affecting all four lines. Because of this, a severely disrupted train service is operating between Reading and London Paddington this morning."

An updated message read: "Engineers have been working all morning to rectify the fault, but have so far been unsuccessful. At present, we are only able to run four trains per hour in each direction between Reading and Paddington.

"Many services will be cancelled and there will be delays of up to 60 minutes affecting those trains which can run. We strongly advise customers to avoid travelling where possible. Disruption is expected to last until at least 16:00 today.

"Your tickets will be valid on other operators' services and on alternative routes which avoid the affected area."

Some passengers took to Twitter to vent their frustration. Mark Waine said: "@FGW 9.04 from Reading to Paddington hasn't moved for an hour, no announcement for over 30 minutes, trains passing us, have we been forgotten?"

Julian Crump said: "@fgw We're at slough. No announcements/no guidance. Should we continue to London? Are there rtn trains? Will refunds be given? Anything?"


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 13:54:34
Passenger Focus are carrying out a National Passenger Survey today at Bristol PW, Bristol TM, Exeter Central, Paddington, Oxford and Reading stations.

As these surveys are 'based on your journey today...' they'll no doubt be getting some interesting responses!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 06, 2014, 14:10:16
Void day? 


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 06, 2014, 14:31:39
Void day? 


I'd hope so. Especially with disruption being expected until later this afternoon.

It's days like these that put many people off jobs requiring inter town/city commuting...on the train at least...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 06, 2014, 14:33:04
Notwithstanding the fact there was major disruption still, I did feel that the revised service plan held up reasonably well given the circumstances - there seemed more staff on the ground at the locations I witnessed, and the usual complete meltdown didn't seem quite as catastrophic.  For example, the Oxford<>Reading stopping services pretty much ran as normal, whereas often there's a mad scramble for drivers and sets meaning loads of last second cancellations.  Perhaps some lessons have been learned?  Perhaps forum members who were directly affected can give a summary of how their journey was affected today and how they thought it compared with previous major signalling outages as I may just have been 'lucky' in what I witnessed?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 14:50:46
Still some residual problems in the area after the new cabling was energised.

Track circuits showing occupied when clear, and one or two signals still 'black' - i.e. not showing any aspect.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 06, 2014, 14:54:41
Notwithstanding the fact there was major disruption still, I did feel that the revised service plan held up reasonably well given the circumstances - there seemed more staff on the ground at the locations I witnessed, and the usual complete meltdown didn't seem quite as catastrophic.  For example, the Oxford<>Reading stopping services pretty much ran as normal, whereas often there's a mad scramble for drivers and sets meaning loads of last second cancellations.  Perhaps some lessons have been learned?  Perhaps forum members who were directly affected can give a summary of how their journey was affected today and how they thought it compared with previous major signalling outages as I may just have been 'lucky' in what I witnessed?

Considering the length of the affected section, I think they done well.  They ran as many trains as possible through the area and, most importantly, it was done safely.  

There's not much more you could do when you have no power to any of the signalling equipment on all 4 lines.  No train detection system, no point detection, no working signals, no interlocking the lot.  No contingency plan is going to get you around that and you can't plan for every single eventuality.  The finer details of a train plan is formed once an incident has been declared and the full extent of the incident is known.  No two incidents will ever be the same.  Network Rail will inform FGW control how many trains they can safely handle through the area and its worked out from there.
Early hours of the morning, taxis were being provided for cancelled trains.  At the height of rush hour it is not possible to acquire anywhere near the number of taxis and coaches required.  Even if you provided a handful of coaches you'll end up with a stampede of commuters all trying to fight their way onto a coach when its announced.  You'll have people being trampled over left right and centre.  


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 06, 2014, 15:15:34
 Perhaps forum members who were directly affected can give a summary of how their journey was affected today and how they thought it compared with previous major signalling outages as I may just have been 'lucky' in what I witnessed?


......woke up, went downstairs, checked trains, realised everything was melting down, woke Mrs TaplowGreen, asked for a lift to work, arrived at work, logged onto Interflora website  ;D

Based on previous experiences it clearly wasn't going to be worth going to the station and hoping for the best.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 06, 2014, 15:23:38
Likewise.

Woke up.  Put on suit.  Read text messages.  Took off suit.  Went downstairs.  Turned on computer...

 ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 15:26:24
......woke up, went downstairs, checked trains, realised everything was melting down, woke Mrs TaplowGreen, asked for a lift to work, arrived at work, logged onto Interflora website  ;D

Based on previous experiences it clearly wasn't going to be worth going to the station and hoping for the best.

Indeed. There may not have been a florist at the station.  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Tim K on October 06, 2014, 15:38:18
I saw the text messages and tried to get the early train from Swindon (0641) which wasn't cancelled - didn't make it.  Sat at the train station until the next train (0728 actually left at 0745) and got the one after instead (0741, arrived at 0752 and left about 10 minutes later after we'd managed to convince everyone left on the platform that it was full and there was no more space).

Standing room only with extra stops at Maidenhead and Slough, although no-one got on or off as there was no space, finally crawled into London Paddington at 11:25ish

Wish my boss allowed me to work from home :(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: paul7575 on October 06, 2014, 15:38:26
Likewise.

Woke up.  Put on suit.  Read text messages.  Took off suit.  Went downstairs.  Turned on computer...

 ;D

Too much detail I think.  Sitting naked in front of your computer?   ;D

Paul


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 06, 2014, 15:45:53
Unusually for me I didn't check the rail planner app when I first woke up. So I went to Thatcham to catch the 06:57 to Paddington only to start to realize the size of the problem.

I did ask at Reading if I could use my Thatcham to Paddington ticket via Guildford so that I could avoid the SWT service to Waterloo but wasn't convinced that the person offering assistance understood the question so took the snail service and arrived 90 minutes late.

Sadly I had to be on site otherwise I would have done what a lot of you did.

Let's just hope we are not in for another bad run of signal failures :(



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 06, 2014, 16:03:17
The information available on-line is a bit conflicting..

I am waiting for someone who is arriving at Maidenhead on the 15.12 departure from Paddington.. Journeycheck says it is cancelled.. National Rail departures board says it's cancelled from West Drayton.. Real time trains shows it as just having left Slough and the report from the person on the train coincides with that..

How any one is going to work out what is going on for the trip home this evening (those that made it in that is) is beyond me  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: lordgoata on October 06, 2014, 16:05:20
I got to the station usual time, train arrived a few minutes late. Was usual 3 cars and was standing room only. Travelled to Reading which was fun when the Pangbourne and Tilehurst commuters tried to squeeze on. Arrived at Reading around 0800. Most of us started getting off, but loads didn't even flinch until some of us said it was terminating. I checked it was terminating with one of the dispatch staff who confirmed it, and then they must have announced it on the train as everyone piled off.

We were told the next stopper to London was 0831 on Platform 13A, so we all queued up waiting. 0831 came and went, by which point platform 13A was about 8 people deep! 0834 came and went, then in typical fashion the 0831 vanished completely. Everyone was somewhat bemused. Then it changed to 0841 (or something) to Banbury! Empty 6 car turbo arrived, everyone totally confused, dispatch didn't have a clue where the London stopper was. I walked down to ask the driver where she was going, she said "Banbury I think, but don't ask me, I just work here" which made me chuckle! She was mobbed by people asking the same as she walked back down the platform to the other end. That then left, with about 4 people on it, to run non-stop to Oxford.

Suddenly there were shouts from all directions that the stopper was on Platform 14A. Everyone bundled up the escalator which promptly stopped. There was a mad crush up, along the bridge and back down the other side.

The dispatcher on 14A kept blowing his whistle, despite being loads of people trying to get down the escalator. Some poor lady went flying across the platform in her panic to reach the train before it left, I believe the dispatcher came to help her.

Finally made it down onto the train, which was standing room only as we left - not that it stopped people with their full size bikes trying to get on.

BTP were on the platform, as a precaution I assume.

Arrived at Twford which was relatively quiet, so once the students got off, there was space for the commuters, so wasn't too much of a crush.

Then we arrived at Maidenhead, which as usual, was a complete chaotic nightmare with the idiots that stand in front of the doors so no one can get off (hint, if you let us off, you can get on). Oh except the one chap who decided he would get on before we even had a chance to get off (I have never experienced this phenomenon anywhere else apart from Maidenhead!).


Can't wait to go home!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 16:31:30
Long distance train plan for the rest of the day:

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Train plan as follows:

From Paddington

XX00 to Bristol TM/Weston Super Mare
XX30 to West of England, via Swindon, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol TM
XX45 to Swansea as booked

From Bristol TM

XX00 from West of England
XX30 to Paddington as booked

From Swansea

XX28 to Paddington as booked

Cancellations:
1G47 1536 Paddington to Cheltenham Spa
1B55 1615 Paddington to Swansea
1B76 1815 Paddington to Swansea
1L91 1834 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington

Alterations:
1B63 1715 Paddington to Carmarthen starts at Bristol TM
1W07 1722 Paddington to Hereford starts at Reading
1W09 1922 Paddington to Hereford starts at Reading

Ticket restrictions lifted for the remainder of today.

Tickets for today will be valid tomorrow, Tuesday 7th.

Up relief line in the affected area running normally. Down relief has one signal out with trains being talked past. Paddington to Reading currently has an all stations hourly service.

Ticket acceptance on all reasonable alternative rail routes (particularly SWT Waterloo-Reading, Virgin Euston-Birmingham then London Midland to Worcester/Hereford. Chiltern Marylebone-Banbury) an on First Berkshire buses:

1B/2 Slough to Burnham
58/78 Slough to Langley
75 Maidenhead > Taplow > Burnham > Slough > Langley
76 Burnham > Slough > Langley


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 17:17:32
Discussion that took a Pythonesque turn has been split off to a new topic:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14692.0


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 06, 2014, 18:25:38
Passenger Focus are carrying out a National Passenger Survey today at Bristol PW, Bristol TM, Exeter Central, Paddington, Oxford and Reading stations.

As these surveys are 'based on your journey today...' they'll no doubt be getting some interesting responses!

They did Swindon the other Sunday when most services were substituted by buses.  Suspect that skewed the comments somewhat.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 06, 2014, 18:38:40
They'll most likely exclude these papers & run extra questionaires to cover.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 06, 2014, 18:43:39
BBC Points West have been guilty of rather a huge over-simplification.  Apparently the problems were caused by "a damaged signal".


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 06, 2014, 18:53:36
Same on BBC London.  Apparently it was a "points failure".


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 06, 2014, 19:09:15
Does anyone know if this might be sorted before tomorrow morning's rush hour? It doesn't look that good currently.. Half hourly service Paddington to Reading.. and the trains still seem to be losing a lot of time along the way


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2014, 19:16:25
Testing of signal circuits is ongoing at present.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 06, 2014, 20:06:42
Just had a tweet from FGW saying that they're holding a 'Meet the Manager' session at Reading tomorrow (Tuesday) between 16:30 and 18:30.

Brave...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 06, 2014, 20:21:27
In case tomorrow reflects today's situation...

When FGW says Chiltern will accept FGW tickets between Banbury and Marylebone does that mean Chiltern will accept a CHO-PAD season ticket from Princes Risborough to MYB?  Notwithstanding a longer car journey at the start (and finish), it will be significantly quicker than crawling with SWT via Staines to Waterloo.

It would need to honoured on the way home too, as my transport home would be in PRR!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 06, 2014, 22:21:39
Planning to get the 0903 THA-PAD this morning and thanks to BBC Berks heard about 0700 that there were major probs.

Waited at home till 0830, when Journeycheck was showing that the 0903 was on time but would terminate at RDG.

On the basis that it could then take me hours to get from RDG-PAD (if at all), I drove to Basingstoke and caught the 0930 to Waterloo. Never realised how comfy the seats on a 159 are! (compared to 165/166 anyway).

Admittedly, I was travelling outside the peaks but got a seat into Waterloo and back again this evening. Journey time was about 45 mins in each direction.

If I didn't live within walking distance of THA I might go into London that way more often :-) Much quicker getting to the City from Waterloo (via "The Drain") aswell.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 06, 2014, 22:23:40
If I didn't leave within walking distance of THA I might go into London that way more often :-)

To be fair, the routes into Waterloo has just as many days when the service is a disaster!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: marky7890 on October 06, 2014, 22:44:51
This even affected local mainline services in Cornwall today. I got the 2A63 1141 Penzance to Newton Abbot from Truro which was 16 late, due to the previous service the unit works from Bristol arrived at PNZ 20 late.

This afternoon after a trip down to Looe I arrived back at Liskeard to find the 1C84 was an hour late and then the 2C51 from Plymouth was 24 late from due to crew shortage because of train delays, which had most seats taken and people standing as it is a single 150.

To make matters worse apparently a freight train broke down on the up line at Lostwithiel blocking trains. meaning the 1C94 was 106 late upon starting again from Par according to RTT. This of course caused a huge backlog of trains on the up line waiting at signals.

Although the station manager at Liskeard was very good at passing on information, going along the platforms telling all the passengers the current situation.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TonyK on October 06, 2014, 22:50:15
Passenger Focus are carrying out a National Passenger Survey today at Bristol PW, Bristol TM, Exeter Central, Paddington, Oxford and Reading stations.

As these surveys are 'based on your journey today...' they'll no doubt be getting some interesting responses!

This could be one of those rare times when every passenger approached actually does have time to answer a few questions!

Just had a tweet from FGW saying that they're holding a 'Meet the Manager' session at Reading tomorrow (Tuesday) between 16:30 and 18:30.

Brave...


Let's hope he isn't delayed...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Brusselier on October 07, 2014, 00:19:31
Visited Reading earlier (not been there since the rebuild completed), and I was waiting for the 19:18 service to Paddington (from Newbury) on platform 10 when there was an automated tanoy announcement to say that there was a platform alteration and that this train would depart from Platform 1!

People started to make a dash for the escalators, only to drift back a few minutes later, presumably when they realised they realised the train wouldn't be advancing any further!

Staff on the over bridge were advising people to take the stopper to Paddington, and these looked to be full to standing. But at 19:40 a service originating from Penzance rolled in and got that one to Paddington, Passing several stoppers on route.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 07, 2014, 00:24:42
Visited Reading earlier (not been there since the rebuild completed), and I was waiting for the 19:18 service to Paddington (from Newbury) on platform 10 when there was an automated tanoy announcement to say that there was a platform alteration and that this train would depart from Platform 1!

A prime example of how automation can fail. What did the system think was going to happen? Into the west facing bay, back out, stop, reverse, then on to Paddington?

Someone knew what was going to happen to that service, having taken the decision to terminate it at Reading. That information should have been communicated to the passenger information systems or to station staff to make a manual announcement.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Brusselier on October 07, 2014, 00:36:52

A prime example of how automation can fail. What did the system think was going to happen? Into the west facing bay, back out, stop, reverse, then on to Paddington?

Route via Melksham, cut out the reversal...

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Someone knew what was going to happen to that service, having taken the decision to terminate it at Reading. That information should have been communicated to the passenger information systems or to station staff to make a manual announcement.

Manual announcement did come, but too late. T'was just myself, one member of staff (in purple jacket) and a meandering subway beaker (the modern day tumbleweed) remaining on platform 10.

I would have thought a few more people would have known it was a bay platform. Thats more local geography than technical rail operations.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 00:47:36
I intended to catch the 23:35 from BRI to EXD...

I am still waiting.............. ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 07, 2014, 02:49:40
Visited Reading earlier (not been there since the rebuild completed), and I was waiting for the 19:18 service to Paddington (from Newbury) on platform 10 when there was an automated tanoy announcement to say that there was a platform alteration and that this train would depart from Platform 1!

And why not  ;D  ... there are even precedents where reversal upon departure is required, such as trains from Limerick Junction to Waterford. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Junction




Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 03:05:01
Many services reverse direction during a diagram at Bristol Temple Meads every day. Including Local Class 15x stock and InterCity High Speed Train (HST)/Voyager Stock :)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 03:06:52
Up Sleeper has a massive delay also. Meant to depart Exeter St Davids at 01:06 and is now expected 05:08 and counting... Flooding on the line apparently. Staff at Exeter St Davids have been fantastic in making everyone comfortable however :)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 04:30:30
Driver for 1C99 (Down Sleeper) from Exeter St Davids has not arrived to work the train... He has since been located inside 1A40 (Up Sleeper) which at the time of writing has just passed Saltash 286 minutes late...

bobm are you in one of the births by chance? :P :-X ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 07, 2014, 05:14:09
No I didn't jinx it for once.

Up sleeper currently 4 hours 45 minutes late approaching Totnes and the Down 23 late leaving Newton Abbot.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 07, 2014, 05:17:11
Meanwhile back at Slough repairs were completed at 3am. Hopefully a normal service this morning barring rolling stock being in the wrong place.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: eightf48544 on October 07, 2014, 08:29:52
Visited Reading earlier (not been there since the rebuild completed), and I was waiting for the 19:18 service to Paddington (from Newbury) on platform 10 when there was an automated tanoy announcement to say that there was a platform alteration and that this train would depart from Platform 1!

And why not  ;D  ... there are even precedents where reversal upon departure is required, such as trains from Limerick Junction to Waterford. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Junction

However to get to Padd from Platform 1 at Reading would require a reversal on the running line not in teh platform.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 07, 2014, 08:32:05
Driver for 1C99 (Down Sleeper) from Exeter St Davids has not arrived to work the train... He has since been located inside 1A40 (Up Sleeper) which at the time of writing has just passed Saltash 286 minutes late...

bobm are you in one of the births by chance? :P :-X ;D

Hold on a minute..........are you saying that on a day of colossal disruption, when people were being advised not to travel on FGW services, FGW were relying on drivers getting to their starting points..........by FGW trains?

You really couldn't make that one up - why on Earth didn't they put him in a taxi? It would have been a great deal cheaper than the compensation bill which will come out of this delay!!!  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 07, 2014, 08:52:10
However to get to Padd from Platform 1 at Reading would require a reversal on the running line not in teh platform.

And so it does at Limerick Junction, to this day.   The train leaves towards Limerick, then changes direction on the running line towards Tipperaray and Waterford.  And it used to be even more complex there!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 07, 2014, 09:41:59
However to get to Padd from Platform 1 at Reading would require a reversal on the running line not in teh platform.

And so it does at Limerick Junction, to this day.   The train leaves towards Limerick, then changes direction on the running line towards Tipperaray and Waterford.  And it used to be even more complex there!

One other running line reversal happens regularly at Inverness - the 1714 Kyle of Lochalsh to Elgin has to take the avoiding line at Inverness and then reverse at Welsh's Bridge Jct into Platform 2 in order to get access on departure to the Elgin route.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 10:00:06
Just had a tweet from FGW saying that they're holding a 'Meet the Manager' session at Reading tomorrow (Tuesday) between 16:30 and 18:30.

Brave...

Poster was already up on Saturday, so pre-planned. Brave not to cancel it, I agree. They wouldn't dare....

In case tomorrow reflects today's situation...

When FGW says Chiltern will accept FGW tickets between Banbury and Marylebone does that mean Chiltern will accept a CHO-PAD season ticket from Princes Risborough to MYB?  Notwithstanding a longer car journey at the start (and finish), it will be significantly quicker than crawling with SWT via Staines to Waterloo.

It would need to honoured on the way home too, as my transport home would be in PRR!

By any reasonable route...so if that suited you, it is likely to be reasonable, I'd say. They were accepting almost anything Thames Valley-wise to HWY for example....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 07, 2014, 11:22:52
Hold on a minute..........are you saying that on a day of colossal disruption, when people were being advised not to travel on FGW services, FGW were relying on drivers getting to their starting points..........by FGW trains?

You really couldn't make that one up - why on Earth didn't they put him in a taxi? It would have been a great deal cheaper than the compensation bill which will come out of this delay!!!  ::)

As I understand it, yes, the driver was on the train going the other way.    And in "sound bites" it might sound like a poor decision.   However, this was the train from Penzance - a long long way from the Thames Valley, and already in place there for the journey up to Exeter and beyond - no reason at all to suspect that it wouldn't be reliable until the other issues hit.

A train operating company is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to decisions like these.   They should move their own staff around by train ("patriotic" to the railway) and indeed I observe that they do when it's practical.   However, especially where they're looking at first / last services, sometimes there is no practical train, and they'll fall back to road.

In my personal view, they normally come up with a sensible compromise in this area, and in my own volunteer work I follow much the same philosophy;  I'll take an hour or two longer to go by public transport, but if it's much more than that / means missing a vital meeting then it's car / taxi - either to a suitable railhead, or all the way.   In times of disruption it's harder to judge, and I'm sure that the folks in Penzance would have loved to have had a crystal ball to see that the up sleeper would be delayed.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 07, 2014, 12:29:56
There was (widely predicted) severe weather in Cornwall earlier in the day yesterday causing flooding and structural damage and which also affected the railways notwithstanding the signal failures - the local media were advising people not to attempt to travel by rail towards London due to the weather AND the signalling problems in Slough.......I wouldn't have thought a crystal ball would have been necessary to at least manage the risk? (Unless of course that's the method FGW employ these days?)

Under these circumstances do you really think it was a good call to rely on a train to get the single most important person involved to the place he needed to be to move the last service of the day, risking delay and inconveniencing hundreds of customers?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 07, 2014, 14:18:30
There was (widely predicted) severe weather in Cornwall earlier in the day yesterday causing flooding and structural damage and which also affected the railways notwithstanding the signal failures - the local media were advising people not to attempt to travel by rail towards London due to the weather AND the signalling problems in Slough.......I wouldn't have thought a crystal ball would have been necessary to at least manage the risk? (Unless of course that's the method FGW employ these days?)

Under these circumstances do you really think it was a good call to rely on a train to get the single most important person involved to the place he needed to be to move the last service of the day, risking delay and inconveniencing hundreds of customers?

Firstly, 'hundreds of customers' on the night sleeper after Exeter?  A couple of dozen more like.  Secondly, the train was only delayed at Exeter by 19 minutes, and was back on time by departure from Plymouth, so only the handful travelling to Newton Abbot/Plymouth would have suffered minor inconvenience.  Thirdly, the driver for the train may well have been utilised to work another train down towards Plymouth due to the disruption -  looking at the diagram that it books on at 23:25 and does one shunt before 'working as required' until departing with the sleeper at 04:11.  He/she would therefore have been a prime candidate to be used to work another train in the meantime, perhaps to Plymouth, so a taxi may not have been viable or necessary.   ::)
 


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 07, 2014, 14:48:16
My journey yesterday was Working from home (planned in advance so not a problem)..

Today however it went as follows:

1 Get up on time but check NR site first.. trains running ok so carry on getting ready for work
2. Check Journey check (several times) -  no issue with 7.59 Maidenhead to Paddington
3. Get to station..as soon as previous service leaves it becomes apparent that the 7.59 is a class-180 not the usual HST - would have been good to know in advance as I've had got the preceding stopping service
4. Attempt to get on 7.59 departure - give up
5. Attempt to get on 8.02 departure - give up
6. Get on 8.11 departure but abandon it at Slough as it was sooo overcrowded
7. Get on 8.29 Slough to Paddington
8. Tweet FGW re why journey check was not showing the change to the 7.59 (it never does show it when this happens)
9. FGW on twitter tweet to say (pretend) it was on there  :o
10. Get to work 40 minutes late so not bad all things considering but information is what we need.. 40 minutes late at work is ok when I have no early meetings but if that is going to happen I'd rather spend the time at home.. not platform swapping at Maidenhead  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 07, 2014, 14:51:55
My journey yesterday consisted of:

Woken by alarm on phone
Roll over to turn off alarm
Stare in disbelief at 06:30 text notifying of 20+ cancellations
Double check twitter and journeycheck
Roll over and go back to sleep

Sometime later I started working from home


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 07, 2014, 14:52:38
Out of interested following the problems yesterday are weekly ticket holders allowed to recover any of the cost of their ticket?

I thought I saw mention of this somewhere.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 14:57:36
I would think so! Complete a claim with your details/delay. If you didn't travel, they may well also pay out, but I'd email or tweet them & find out before claiming.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 07, 2014, 14:58:16
I would think so! Complete a claim with your details/delay. If you didn't travel, they may well also pay out, but I'd email or tweet them & find out before claiming.

Many thanks



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 07, 2014, 15:00:44
Quote
8. Tweet FGW re why journey check was not showing the change to the 7.59 (it never does show it when this happens)
9. FGW on twitter tweet to say (pretend) it was on there  Shocked

I saw it there this morning. The 07:34 (180) ex DID was shown as cancelled due to train fault. The 07:06 High Speed Train (HST) ex DID was shown as a 5 car rather than 8.

My interpretation was that the High Speed Train (HST) failed at OOC - or rather was not available after yesterday's chaos - and the 180 was run in place of the High Speed Train (HST).  The up Bristol called additionally at DID (07:31) to make up for the cancelled 07:34

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 07, 2014, 15:29:49
Quote
8. Tweet FGW re why journey check was not showing the change to the 7.59 (it never does show it when this happens)
9. FGW on twitter tweet to say (pretend) it was on there  Shocked

I saw it there this morning. The 07:34 (180) ex DID was shown as cancelled due to train fault. The 07:06 (HST) ex DID was shown as a 5 car rather than 8.

My interpretation was that the HST failed at OOC - or rather was not available after yesterday's chaos - and the 180 was run in place of the HST.  The up Bristol called additionally at DID (07:31) to make up for the cancelled 07:34

What time did you see that? When I left home about 7.20 the 7.34 didcot departure was showing as cancelled but the 7.06 wasn't showing as any change from normal..

Still no excuse for not telling us at the station.. unless they didn't know either?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 17:44:32
Apparently FGW Tweeted that the delays of the 6th October are NOT disruptive enough for it to be classed a void day... :-x


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 07, 2014, 19:21:23
That really really gets my goat. It displays a level of arrogance that I find both absurd and upsetting.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: John R on October 07, 2014, 19:45:23
Hmmm. If they advise people not to travel (did they?) then I think it is very suspect not to declare a void day.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 07, 2014, 19:55:05
Hmmm. If they advise people not to travel (did they?) then I think it is very suspect not to declare a void day.

Very valid point John R


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Timmer on October 07, 2014, 20:03:25
Apparently FGW Tweeted that the delays of the 6th October are NOT disruptive enough for it to be classed a void day... :-x
That really beggars belief with the amount of delays and cancelations that took place. Anyone know what the threshold is set at to declare a void day?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ellendune on October 07, 2014, 20:13:50
Who sets the criteria for a void day?  I would have thought it would have been in FGW's interests to declare it void. So presumably something must have stopped them.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 07, 2014, 20:29:30
Apparently FGW Tweeted that the delays of the 6th October are NOT disruptive enough for it to be classed a void day... :-x
That really beggars belief with the amount of delays and cancelations that took place. Anyone know what the threshold is set at to declare a void day?

Well someone asked that very question. More recent twitter talk suggests that it is being reviewed again however.

FGWs tweet 7th October AM  (https://twitter.com/FGW/status/519367840017944576)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 07, 2014, 20:30:48
Quote

What time did you see that? When I left home about 7.20 the 7.34 didcot departure was showing as cancelled but the 7.06 wasn't showing as any change from normal..

Still no excuse for not telling us at the station.. unless they didn't know either?

It was after I got to work at 07:45. I was looking at various information regarding late running on RTT and wanted to clarified a cancellation on FGW.  That is when I picked up the details.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 20:55:46
Void days are entirely in the choice of the operator....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 07, 2014, 20:56:22
Apparently FGW Tweeted that the delays of the 6th October are NOT disruptive enough for it to be classed a void day... :-x
That really beggars belief with the amount of delays and cancelations that took place. Anyone know what the threshold is set at to declare a void day?

Well someone asked that very question. More recent twitter talk suggests that it is being reviewed again however.

FGWs tweet 7th October AM  (https://twitter.com/FGW/status/519367840017944576)

There was some further Twitter discussion in this thread: FGWs tweet 7th October PM (https://twitter.com/FGW/status/519493792735711233)

In particular Leo says "That's correct, out of 814 planned LTV services yesterday, 146 didn't run."

I've just checked RTT for Twyford last night between 1700 and 1900. Of the 30 services due to call, 17 were cancelled. Of the 13 which did run, 7 were Henley Branch trains (one of which should have started from PAD but didn't). So how did they come up with 146 out of 814 not running?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 21:04:19
Assuming your delay qualifies (and if it doesn't, why do you think you are hard done by?), you would get the same comp with the delay payment as you will if a void day is declared...equivalent to your fare refunded (for daily ticket/7day season) or a days equivalent on a monthly or longer season.

I don't see the complaint?....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: John R on October 07, 2014, 21:11:03
Do you get a refund on a longer dated season. I thought the only compensation was either a void day or a 5% discount if the overall performance warrants it. As the performance is already beyond that threshold, it costs FGW nothing, whereas if they declare a void day it does.

Looking at Chippenham as an example, of the 13 trains timetabled to leave before noon for Paddington, only 4 made it the whole way, four stopped short at Reading and 5 were cancelled. Of the four that made it through the average delay was 108 minutes, with the 0725 being delayed for 2 hrs 38 mins.

If that wasn't enough disruption to declare a void day, I don't know what is.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 21:14:51
Indeed, claiming comp gives you vouchers usable across ticketing, void day extends your season. Which would you find more useful?

Good point re monthly/longer seasons. Void day extends your season, otherwise it would count towards a 5% didcount. If that kicks in, it will cost FGW more..if it doesn't, they gain.

My point re weeklies & daily tickets is correct though.

But it is entirely choice of the TOC


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 07, 2014, 21:18:06
Interesting though....

The perpetrator (Network Rail this time) would ultimately pay the full comp paid out by the TOC. Who (and how on earth is it calculated?!) would they cover a void day declared?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 08, 2014, 09:03:54
Assuming your delay qualifies (and if it doesn't, why do you think you are hard done by?), you would get the same comp with the delay payment as you will if a void day is declared...equivalent to your fare refunded (for daily ticket/7day season) or a days equivalent on a monthly or longer season.

I don't see the complaint?....

My thoughts are that by saying this wasn't a void day then FGW are saying this didn't have a notable impact to the majority of travellers on that day - almost like saying 'these things happen and we don't owe you an apology' - which i find arrogant and disrespectful to paying customers.

By having to claim individually passengers a) have to write in themselves; b) are subject to the extremely inconsistent approach applied by FGW customer service.

Given that many many people won't be bothered to do this* and FGW will be recompensed themselves by NR we run the risk of creating the moral hazard that TOC's may come to regard such incidents as 'nice little earners' which I find objectionable.



*i have no stats on what proportion of travellers will actually claim.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 08, 2014, 10:29:26
Once smartcards are introduced, auto-compensation will be easily assessable (your train journey will be recorded, so proof you travelled when you say you did) and therefore payable.
Until then, the TOC doesn't know who travelled at what time, and thus needs to know. Not everyone would have been delayed by the full (two hours is it) amount to be entitled to full refund.

In this case, I think I'm with the TOC...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 08, 2014, 10:33:12
And what of those who didn't travel because they were told not to?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 08, 2014, 10:34:17
Once smartcards are introduced, auto-compensation will be easily assessable (your train journey will be recorded, so proof you travelled when you say you did) and therefore payable.
Until then, the TOC doesn't know who travelled at what time, and thus needs to know. Not everyone would have been delayed by the full (two hours is it) amount to be entitled to full refund.

In this case, I think I'm with the TOC...

What about people who bought Advance tickets for a specific train via the FGW website? They would have all the customers details and would be able to refund automatically with no need for a claim if it was cancelled?.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 08, 2014, 10:40:58
Indeed, agreed - but that applies to all TOCs and thus becomes an ATOC issue - suggest taking it up through Passenger Focus maybe?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: brizzlechris on October 08, 2014, 12:55:01
Tweet from @FGW: "Following Mondays disruption we're offering compensation to affected Season Ticket Holders. We'll be in contact directly with more details."

https://twitter.com/FGW/status/519811385715617792


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 09, 2014, 07:23:25
And so today we have a signalling failure between Twyford (TWY) and Maidenhead (MAI) affecting all lines...  >:(

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 09, 2014, 07:29:39
Having just boarded at maidenhead on the delayed 7.08 I'm sorry to say that there were no station announcements, no platform staff to ask, no update on journeycheck, and once onboard no acknowledgement of the delay by the TM.

... So I came here to find out the cause...  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 09, 2014, 07:39:54
To add to those delays the 7.59am High Speed Train (HST) has been replaced by a Class-180 for the second time this week. So late to work again then... ???'

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: lbraine on October 09, 2014, 08:02:50
I am on said 180 - crawling through Twyford. Signalling issues in the Maidenhead area.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 09, 2014, 08:42:50
Indeed,  I'm just passing Twyford some 25mins after leaving Reading on the 8:09 service.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 09, 2014, 09:17:44
Here we go again...

Fun fact: Passing through the station on the way to work the 0929 from Swindon to Paddington was showing as now stopping on platform 'UML' ...mind the gap  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 09, 2014, 09:19:51
Looking at some recent replies on their Twitter account, FGW are currently blaming the fault on Network Rail (NR) cutting through a cable AGAIN...  :'(


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 09, 2014, 09:24:59
And so today we have a signalling failure between TWY and MAI affecting all lines...  >:(

......for the second time this week, total chaos, RTT listing over 30 trains cancelled - lucky I came in early today and missed it - this affects peoples jobs and lives and is simply unacceptable.......and yes I know Network Rail look after the signals before all the FGW devotees start going all Railway enthusiast fundamentalist on me, but it's FGW that take a chunk of my salary in return for providing a service of sorts, so I expect them to sort their infrastructure providers out, rather than their Directors bleating about learning lessons year after year......first lesson to learn, use cable scanners, if my blokes don't, they get sacked. >:(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: broadgage on October 09, 2014, 09:49:25
Reliability certainly seems to be getting worse, and subjectively seems to be much worse than back in the "good old days"
Breakdowns certainly occurred back in the old days, but I don't recall major failures resulting in DOZENS of cancellations, occurring on a near weekly basis.
Thirty trains are cancelled at present, and many other services are running for only part of the scheduled journey.

This weeks two major failures appear to be network rail incompetence, and might not be repeated for some weeks, but the rainy season has just started and will probably result in a third consecutive autumn of disruption caused by "once in a century extreme weather"

Looking further ahead we have electrification to look forward to with the inevitable weather related disruption.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 09, 2014, 09:50:55
this affects peoples jobs and lives and is simply unacceptable.......and yes I know Network Rail look after the signals ... [snip] ...
 so I expect them to sort their infrastructure providers out, rather than their Directors bleating about learning lessons year after year......first lesson to learn, use cable scanners, if my blokes don't, they get sacked. >:(

Your [original] comparison was over the top, and could have been read very much in the wrong way. Thank you for going back and amending it.

I have to agree with you that the current rate of failure has moved well beyond what should be provided - as I read it, there has been one morning out of four so far this week that has run smoothly, with two lots of engineering problems and a person under a train.   And I have to agree that when you buy a service from someone, it's really up to them to get what they need from their suppliers in turn.

But we have a problem ... it's tightly regulated and there IS only one supplier ... you can write "unacceptable" and the answer has to be "then don't accept it" - and that might mean some sort of campaigning, or a switch to an alternative means of travel, or to another home or to another job.  Frankly, the passenger / travelling public is pretty powerless against what is a monopoly of service, and to take the work "unacceptable" at face value means some pretty tough decisions.   And even if there were an open access operator on the line, it's still Network Rail behind it ...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 09, 2014, 09:56:33
To paraphrase Lady Bracknell,

    "To cut one cable may be regarded as a misfortune. To cut two in one week looks like carelessness."

I agree with TaplowGreen about cable scanners.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 09, 2014, 10:24:33
Why are there so many single points of failure ? Is that simply the way signalling infrastructure works ?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 09, 2014, 10:36:17
To paraphrase Lady Bracknell,

    "To cut one cable may be regarded as a misfortune. To cut two in one week looks like carelessness."

I agree with TaplowGreen about cable scanners.


The whole area is CAT scanned, quite often see them trackside during the day undertaking this.  Still doesn't stop some idiot damaging the cable.  Monday they managed to crush a cable I believe.
Today's signalling failure is currently logged as a track circuit failure between Twyford and Maidenhead. Cause not reported as yet although it was logged that the first train up in the morning operated track circuits correctly which suggests some work was carried out overnight??


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 09, 2014, 10:39:36
A bit of an aside ... I'm noticing that Bristol and South West trains appear to be running as combined services ... South West services are running via Bristol anyway this week, due to works between Castle Cary and Taunton.  Looks to be a sensible way to make maximum use of reduced capacity in the Thames Valley.  Good call by whoever came up with that approach!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2014, 11:28:32
Reliability certainly seems to be getting worse, and subjectively seems to be much worse than back in the "good old days"
Breakdowns certainly occurred back in the old days, but I don't recall major failures resulting in DOZENS of cancellations, occurring on a near weekly basis.

Quite agree that it's been another very disappointing week, but there was never the sheer amount of infrastructure work going on, or anywhere near the number of trains/passengers, in these alleged 'good old days'.  The amount of work going on is phenomenal - Reading, electrification, resignalling, Crossrail and so on with hundreds of staff on the trackside both day and night.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: insider on October 09, 2014, 11:50:59
Todays chaos is still very much ongoing.....

Sources inform me that techs on the ground are still trying to work out the cause of the failures. There were multiple sites last night where digging & piling were taking place but as yet can not find a damaged cable.

They have located a location cabinet in the area which has no power, but don't know why!!

Could take until 1400 to test cables to locate the fault, then the solution needs to be found, and implemented.

The fault in itself is quite an unusual one and has the potential to cause an accident, which is why the service is being reduced. Short version is that on ALL 4 lines, the signaller at TVSC is loosing trains. in that the track circuit are wrong side failures, train in section but computer says nothing there!!! This has the potential to allow another train into the same section.

As a result a method of work called long block is in operation. Only one train from Maidenhead to Ruscombe per line at any time. Basically like Absolute Block in the old days. Luckily all the signals on the ground seem to be working correctly from what I understand (but this not confirmed), so once trains get a green, should be a clear run. But there were some reports of an actual track circuit failure as well....

Another day to stay away from trains....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 09, 2014, 12:17:31
The whole thing reeks of carelessness, shoddiness and incompetence.........there can be no other explanation for one of the busiest rail thoroughfares in Europe being brought to a grinding halt for the second time in 4 days..............the noise you can hear is not trains moving to and fro, it's Brunel spinning in his grave.

FGW should grow a pair and insist that all digging/piling work should cease until they are satisifed that those undertaking it are competent enough to undertake this work without this happening.

I note the message on the FGW website is  "There is currently no estimate for a normal train service to resume"..........how apt!



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 09, 2014, 12:29:09
I was on the 0903 THA-PAD this morning, which left about 17 late (due to being late on its down journey to Bedwyn).

We left RDG at about 0940 and breezed through Twyford and Maidenhead at pretty-much max turbo speed, to my surprise....only to amble on an amber all the way from Slough to about Acton West (driver did come up on the PA to make us aware of reason for slow running).

Arrived at PAD about 25 late but could have been worse.

Would also like to praise the guy in the ticket office at THA who came out and walked up and down the platform telling us all what was going on.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 09, 2014, 12:34:15
I was on the 657 Thatcham to Paddington today and it got caught up in these new signalling problems.

Someone on here must have posted it pretty quickly because I new about it even before the train driver. We had a 23 minute delay arriving at Paddington.

I guess I must have been lucky - I had a three week run without any problems and now it's payback time :)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 09, 2014, 12:50:18
The whole thing reeks of carelessness, shoddiness and incompetence.........there can be no other explanation for one of the busiest rail thoroughfares in Europe being brought to a grinding halt for the second time in 4 days..............the noise you can hear is not trains moving to and fro, it's Brunel spinning in his grave.

FGW should grow a pair and insist that all digging/piling work should cease until they are satisifed that those undertaking it are competent enough to undertake this work without this happening.

I note the message on the FGW website is  "There is currently no estimate for a normal train service to resume"..........how apt!



Makes you wonder if the contractors carrying out this work have been set unrealistic targets by NR to erect so many structures a night and as a result are rushing and cutting corners resulting in damage to the signalling system.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2014, 12:57:15
The whole thing reeks of carelessness, shoddiness and incompetence.........there can be no other explanation for one of the busiest rail thoroughfares in Europe being brought to a grinding halt for the second time in 4 days..............the noise you can hear is not trains moving to and fro, it's Brunel spinning in his grave.

FGW should grow a pair and insist that all digging/piling work should cease until they are satisifed that those undertaking it are competent enough to undertake this work without this happening.

I note the message on the FGW website is  "There is currently no estimate for a normal train service to resume"..........how apt!

Refreshing to see that you can actually post a message which doesn't accuse those of us on here that try and explain why things may be happening in more detail as 'Railway enthusiast fundamentalists' or some similarly stupid label.  I dread to think what it was before you modified it. 

Speaking personally, I am pretty passionate about the railways and hate it when passengers have their journey disrupted.  Part of my reason for being on here is to try and explain why things have gone wrong to those that might not have the technical knowledge or ability to find out.  I don't have to do it and I sure as hell don't get paid for doing it.  It also gives me a platform to anonymously criticise (and indeed praise) the railway industry when I deem it suitable.  Many staff feel the same way I do and your constant sniping at us really makes me wonder why I bother.  Sure, there are some bad members of staff out there and things don't always go to plan, but I'm sure the same applies in whatever industry you are involved in but perhaps not under quite the glare of public scrutiny.

I strongly suspect that today will be discussed at a very senior level within Network Rail (doubtless with input from FGW) and it might indeed be sensible to stop the work whilst a review in undertaken.  It's interesting that it's (presumably) the Crossrail electrification team that have once again caused this disruption rather than the GWML electrification team who have been doing similar piling work for over a year with very few problems.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 09, 2014, 12:58:01


Makes you wonder if the contractors carrying out this work have been set unrealistic targets by Network Rail (NR) to erect so many structures a night and as a result are rushing and cutting corners resulting in damage to the signalling system.
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-may well be the case but in my experience Contractors will promise the Earth to secure juicy contracts such as this so it may well be 6 of one and half dozen of the other with Network Rail (NR) believeing the hype!

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Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: insider on October 09, 2014, 13:05:44
Cable Testing ongoing.....rain in area has slowed testing....don't want electronics to get wet!!!

Sounds like ongoing rest of day....

Plan for Peak

Paddington ^ Bedwyn services to start / terminate at Reading starting with
1K53 11.39 Bedwyn ^ Paddington terminating at Reading to form
1K57 12.18 Paddington ^ Bedwyn starting Reading. Then :-
1K61 12.38 Bedwyn ^ Paddington terminating Reading to form
1K60 13.18 Paddington ^ Bedwyn starts Reading
1K63 13.42 Bedwyn ^ Paddington terminates Reading to form :-
1K64 14.18 Paddington ^ Bedwyn starts Reading
1K65 14.39 Bedwyn ^ Paddington terminates Reading to form :-
1K68 15.18 Paddington ^ Bedwyn starts Reading
1K69 15.40 Bedwyn ^ Paddington terminates Reading to form :-
1K74 16.18 Paddington ^ Bedwyn starts Reading

Class one Paddington ^ Oxford services to remain cancelled.
1D45 15.22 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D49 16.22 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D51 16.49 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D53 17.18 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D57 17.35 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D61 18.18 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D67 18.50 Paddington ^ Oxford
1D69 19.18 Paddington ^ Oxford

1P63 17.01 Oxford ^ Paddington
1P69 18.01 Oxford ^ Paddington
1P71 18.31 Oxford ^ Paddington
1P75 19.31 Oxford ^ Paddington

1H48 17.12 Paddington ^ Henley On Thames start Twyford
1H52 18.12 Paddington ^ Henley On Thames start Twyford
1H54 19.05 Paddington ^ Henley On Thames start Twyford

Paddington ^ Cardiff/South Wales XX.15 departures to remain cancelled.

1C18 14.33 Paddington ^ Weston S.M. Cancelled. (Possibly start Bristol T.M.)
(1Z86 Paddington ^ Penzance S.S.O.^s vice between Reading and Bristol T.M.)

1C20 15.33 Paddington ^ Weston S.M. Cancelled.
(1Z88 15.30 Paddington ^ Penzance S.S.O.^s vice between Reading and Bristol T.M.)

1C22 16.33 Paddington ^ Taunton Cancelled. (Possibly start Bristol T.M.)
(1Z89 16.30 Paddington ^ Penzance S.S.O.^s vice between Reading and Bristol T.M.)

1C25 18.03 Paddington ^ Bristol T.M. Cancelled.
(1Z92 18.00 Paddington ^ Penzance S.S.O.^s vice between Reading and Bristol TM)

1C27 19.03 Paddington ^ Bristol T.M. Cancelled.
(1Z95 19.00 Paddington ^ Plymouth S.S.O.^s vice between Reading and Bristol TM)

In addition to the above

1C90 17.06 Paddington ^ Bristol T.M. Twyford stop withdrawn.
1J93 18.05 Paddington ^ Frome Twyford stop withdrawn


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 09, 2014, 13:13:56
I imagine there will be some Twyford passengers who will not be pleased at their stops being withdrawn :(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Western Enterprise on October 09, 2014, 13:30:55
the noise you can hear is not trains moving to and fro, it's Brunel spinning in his grave.


 :D
Last heard in 1892 I believe... ! ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 09, 2014, 13:40:53
I imagine there will be some Twyford passengers who will not be pleased at their stops being withdrawn :(

Me for one!!!  >:(

1712 and 1735 fast(-ish) Turbos are cancelled too, plus the 1718 to OXF with an opportunity for a change at Maidenhead (MAI). On Monday there was an near hour-long gap in anything serving TWY from PAD between 1642 and 1735. Are we the lowest of the low? Is the Henley Branch a figment of my imagination?

Sorry to sound a bl**dy misery but the good news for me is that today I've managed to get my boss to finalise a date for my job move to Reading in January. I might drive in, I might get the bus or I might use SWT from Winnersh Triangle. But I will not be using FGW.

Edit; VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: didcotdean on October 09, 2014, 13:44:42
Have to be in London later this afternoon - think I may start by driving to Haddenham ....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 09, 2014, 13:52:23
I imagine there will be some Twyford passengers who will not be pleased at their stops being withdrawn :(

Me for one!!!  >:(

1712 and 1735 fast(-ish) Turbos are cancelled too, plus the 1718 to OXF with an opportunity for a change at MAI. On Monday there was an near hour-long gap in anything serving TWY from PAD between 1642 and 1735. Are we the lowest of the low? Is the Henley Branch a figment of my imagination?

Sorry to sound a bl**dy misery but the good news for me is that today I've managed to get my boss to finalise a date for my job move to Reading in January. I might drive in, I might get the bus or I might use SWT from Winnersh Triangle. But I will not be using FGW.

You'd be better off going to Reading and coming back wouldn't you? 


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 09, 2014, 13:55:38
You'd be better off going to Reading and coming back wouldn't you? 

My place of work is on the Central Line so I might go to Ealing (EAL) and get a stopper if I can be certain they're running. If I can't be sure then it'll be PAD to RDG and back to Twyford (TWY).

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 09, 2014, 14:09:50
You'd be better off going to Reading and coming back wouldn't you? 

My place of work is on the Central Line so I might go to Ealing (EAL) and get a stopper if I can be certain they're running. If I can't be sure then it'll be PAD to RDG and back to Twyford (TWY).

At the moment they're down as running but they're going to be even busier than normal given the cancellations of the fast services for Slough & Maidenhead.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 09, 2014, 16:23:18
JourneyCheck has just been updated with the news that the 1712 to Henley and the 1735 to Oxford have been reinstated, so hopefully the 1706 will now stop at TWY.  :)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Trowres on October 09, 2014, 21:14:09
...
The fault in itself is quite an unusual one and has the potential to cause an accident, which is why the service is being reduced. Short version is that on ALL 4 lines, the signaller at TVSC is loosing trains. in that the track circuit are wrong side failures, train in section but computer says nothing there!!! This has the potential to allow another train into the same section.
...

Wrong side failures? Are these sites still track circuits or axle counters? One hopes that the reason for a wrong side failure is properly communicated within the industry so that lessons are learned before serious consequences arise. (For an example of where this, sadly, didn't happen, see the report on a passenger being trapped by a train door at Newcastle).


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 09, 2014, 21:23:32
Its a true track circuit area at present (going over to axle counters soon).  Failures of this nature are more common than you might think.  Just unfortunate that a lot of them appear to be happening in FGW land at the moment but then the signalling infrastructure is over 50 years old :(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 10, 2014, 05:10:27
Friday, 05:00 ...

Quote
Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Twyford Due to signalling problems between Maidenhead and Twyford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
Customer Advice:
Chiltern Railways, Cross Country, London Underground and South West Trains are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for First Great Western rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

12 cancellations and 11 amendments showing already


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 10, 2014, 06:28:25
And at 06:23 there are 22 cancellations and 39 amendments.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 10, 2014, 07:08:18
26 cancellations and 41 amendments now.. I am staying at home today.. I can't take it anymore  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: insider on October 10, 2014, 07:09:26
FAULT IS STILL ONGOING..........

After pretty much pulling the power supply system apart over night, techs are still baffled as to why they cant rectify an earth fault. This is causing a one track circuit on each of the lines UP & DOWN, Main & Relief, to give false indications.

So as a result Long Block Working will remain in place UFN. The train service has been stripped back more than yesterday for AM peak as there were some big delays with bunching of trains at Twyford!

Basic Plan is Pad-Cardiff cancelled.
 Bedwyn - Pad start/terminate RDG,
Oxford - Pad Class 1 cancelled (North Cots services should run)
Henley & Marlow Branch Services, run a locked in Branch Service only no through trains to Pad.
Chetenham - Pad start/term Swindon.

And then as ever whatever else Network Rail decide to cancel to ease congestion and workload for signaller to ensure a safe railway....this will mean severe overcrowding, but at least trains run.

And Yes Twyford & Maidenhead customers will be hit hard with these amendments....but there will be trains, it would be nice if they thought to send something down to Maidenhead to start, being the London side of the failure, but doubt that will happen!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: insider on October 10, 2014, 07:21:42
AND AS IF BY MAGIC...AFTER THE PLANS ARE IMPLEMENTED AND ADVERTISED......NETWORK RAIL ADVISE NORMAL SIGNALLNG FULLY RESTORED AT 0655!!!!!

However majority of alterations will stand as crew and sets already in place, however some will be reinstated....

First to run is the 0736 Pad-Chelt!!!

Likely that HSS services will recover, and LTV will take until around 1000-1100 as loads of sets are still on Reading depot!!!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 10, 2014, 07:33:53
Yes I can confirm from "on the spot" that trains seem to be passing between Twyford (TWY) and Maidenhead (MAI) without delay. It's a shame this couldn't have been fixed earlier to allow a normal scheduled service this morning!

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 10, 2014, 07:42:53
AND AS IF BY MAGIC...AFTER THE PLANS ARE IMPLEMENTED AND ADVERTISED......NETWORK RAIL ADVISE NORMAL SIGNALLNG FULLY RESTORED AT 0655!!!!!

However majority of alterations will stand as crew and sets already in place, however some will be reinstated....

First to run is the 0736 Pad-Chelt!!!

Likely that HSS services will recover, and LTV will take until around 1000-1100 as loads of sets are still on Reading depot!!!


Good news - let's hope a normal service can be maintained, maybe for as long as 24 hours?  ::) my only hope is that someone will compensate me for the amount of flowers I've had to buy Mrs Taplowgreen in respect of taxi service to work over last few days......I've even promised to do the hoovering and clean out the garage at the weekend.....FGW/NR have a lot to answer for!  :'(



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 10, 2014, 08:39:29
It looks like there are problems again this Friday - well there were on my journey from Thatcham to Paddington.

Fortunately I saw this when I got out of bed and managed to catch an earlier train to get me to Reading. More by luck than judgement I managed to get a re-instated turbo servers from Reading to Paddington which stopped only at Maidenhead and got to the office earlier than when the services run on time.

Although I have sympathy with those struggling to get into London from the west one of the plus points of my journey was that the tube wasn't as crowded as normal



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 10, 2014, 09:07:49
Have the problems reappeared yet again? I've just taken a look at RTT and at the current time (0905) there seems to be about 10-12 minutes of delays occurring in the Twyford (TWY) area on all 4 lines.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 10, 2014, 09:13:15
Have the problems reappeared yet again? I've just taken a look at RTT and at the current time (0900) there seems to be about 10-12 minutes of delays occurring in the TWY area on all 4 lines.


Not sure BBM - from guesswork (must stress that) they reoccurred early this morning and loads of services were showing as cancelled/delayed on the planner app. After I walked down to Thatcham station they seemed to have settled but I suspect that was a false sense of security.

When I got to Reading I was thinking of catching a stopping service to PAD and was on P14/15 when they announced that some of the services were being re-instated.

Maybe FGW had learnt from the troubles on Monday (in a good way, I'm not being sarcastic!) and were planning accordingly.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ellendune on October 10, 2014, 09:35:42

Maybe FGW had learnt from the troubles on Monday (in a good way, I'm not being sarcastic!) and were planning accordingly.

Practice makes perfect!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 10, 2014, 09:38:32
Have the problems reappeared yet again? I've just taken a look at RTT and at the current time (0905) there seems to be about 10-12 minutes of delays occurring in the TWY area on all 4 lines.


.....suspect there's an element of a**e covering as things get back to "normal" in case they all fall over again? Having said that the list of cancellations seems to be dwindling and mainly restricted to London - Cardiffs.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: jane s on October 10, 2014, 10:43:48
It was a complete fiasco this morning so I don't think anyone has learnt from anything!

JoHoare you were so right to stay at home!

I had to change at Reading on to 8:31 Ealing Broadway stopper. I was sitting comfortably in the rear coach of 5 at 8:29 when I heard platform - NOT on-train - announcements that the front 2 coaches only were going to Ealing Broadway and the rear three were now going to Oxford. After quickly checking with someone who had just got on, I got off & sprinted up the platform & got on the rammed 2nd coach getting the last seat. The doors soon shut leaving those less quick on the uptake than me standing outside.

Since this was patently unfair due to the lack of on-train announcements, they eventually had to open the doors to let these people on, causing a delay. After further delays between Twyford & Maidenhead we then proceeded getting later & later & later due to the sheer impossibility of trying to cram at least 3 full trains-worth of people onto 2 coaches.

The platform at Slough alone was still heaving when they shut the doors, a situation repeated at West Drayton, Hayes & Southall. We eventually arrived at Ealing over 20 mins late (having strated off only 5 mins late).

Whoever decided to split that train at Reading and send us forward with only 2 coaches has some SERIOUS explaining to do! It is just taking the proverbial - if you cancel more than half the trains, the ones that do run MUST be full 5 or 6-car sets - no ifs, buts or maybes.

It is never acceptable at any time to run 2-car trains in the peaks on this route, let alone when it was the first stopper through in some time as it was this morning.

I had just got off the stopper from Oxford that had terminated at Reading - surely they could have turned this around to form the service to Oxford instead of splitting the 5-car set! It's simply beyond a joke.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: broadgage on October 10, 2014, 10:49:43
Does anyone know WHY they run such short trains at times of disruption ?
With so many cancellations they can hardly plead shortage of rolling stock.

If the network rail signalling fiascos severely limit the number of trains that can be run, then surely every train that does run should without question be full length.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 10, 2014, 10:57:38
Trains & drivers out of place....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 10, 2014, 11:13:02
..............ah but for how long this time I wonder?  ???

Following earlier signalling problems between Maidenhead and Twyford all lines have now reopened.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations are returning to normal. Normal services will be provided as soon as possible. For the latest rail travel news, why not follow us on Twitter @FGW.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 10, 2014, 11:32:12
I can still hear the trains sounding their horn as they come through the west of Maidenehad.. That is usually an indication that there is something not quite right with the service


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 10, 2014, 11:36:36
I can still hear the trains sounding their horn as they come through the west of Maidenehad.. That is usually an indication that there is something not quite right with the service

This could also be that there are still network rail personnel out on the track side. I believe the rule is drivers have to sound the horn and they (track side personnel) should raise a hand to acknowledge the presence of the approaching train?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 10, 2014, 15:44:02
There must be an average of 300 or so track workers of various disciplines on average between Reading and London at the moment whilst all the various upgrades are going on.  That's a lot of worn out horns!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 10, 2014, 16:21:36
There must be an average of 300 or so track workers of various disciplines on average between Reading and London at the moment whilst all the various upgrades are going on.  That's a lot of worn out horns!


........oo-er Mrs!  :D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 10, 2014, 16:39:37
There must be an average of 300 or so track workers of various disciplines on average between Reading and London at the moment whilst all the various upgrades are going on.  That's a lot of worn out horns!

I would think that must be quite stressful for drivers.  You know they will get out of the way but just occasionally.....


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Electric train on October 10, 2014, 18:28:56
There must be an average of 300 or so track workers of various disciplines on average between Reading and London at the moment whilst all the various upgrades are going on.  That's a lot of worn out horns!

I would think that must be quite stressful for drivers.  You know they will get out of the way but just occasionally.....

Not as stressful for the folks on the track if the drive doesn't blow you off  :o  (being blown off is a term used when a drive sounds their horn to warn people on or about the railway)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 10, 2014, 18:29:16
Could I just add a few comments to the debate that was raging earlier.

Normally, I travel to London (from Kingham) about once or so a month. This week I had to go to London on Tuesday and Thursday. On Monday I had a meeting in Oxford with someone from London. The Monday meeting was cancelled after I'd got to Oxford so I wasn't best pleased - the other party couldn't get there in time for obvious reasons. Having seen the shambles unfold throughout Monday I had a contingency plan to drive to Banbury on the Tuesday which would have meant getting up at 5am (instead of 5.45am to go to Kingham). At about 9.30pm on Monday it still wasn't clear if they'd fixed the problem so I was awake at 4am checking the FGW website which indicated everything OK. Indeed Tuesday was relatively OK except for the disruption due the fatality (which thankfully I escaped due to arriving back at Paddington in time to see the 1552 was cancelled and so just getting an earlier train to Oxford). Then yesterday delays into Paddington because of more signalling problems, though the 1420 Adelante back to Kingham was bang on schedule.

I don't think it is fair to blame FGW (as some people appear to be doing) although I don't find their website that helpful compared to earlier versions some years ago. But it seems to me Monday should have declared a "void" day with full refunds etc.

Network Rail clearly deserve the full bucket load of critiscism and I trust somebody senior at NR is being severely "roughed up" as there are too many problems at the moment. I understand from an earlier post there are several sets of contractors running around the Reading to London area with electrification, Crossrail etc. Why? Surely - and I know I'm not an engineer - overhead electrification is the same for both schemes and there must be a considerable degree of commonality in the works. But even so, NR should control this properly. If disruption continues will somebody pay the price that would happen in private industry?

And for those who have to use the line day in day out, you have my sympathy.

 


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 10, 2014, 21:11:10
There must be an average of 300 or so track workers of various disciplines on average between Reading and London at the moment whilst all the various upgrades are going on.  That's a lot of worn out horns!

I would think that must be quite stressful for drivers.  You know they will get out of the way but just occasionally.....

Quite stressful when they don't bother acknowledging you sounding the warning horn.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: thetrout on October 11, 2014, 08:41:55
I would think that must be quite stressful for drivers.  You know they will get out of the way but just occasionally.....

They don't...  :-X :-\ :( :-[

http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/bulletins_2013/bulletin_05_2013.cfm (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/bulletins_2013/bulletin_05_2013.cfm)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 11, 2014, 12:21:29
Another incident today - "Emergency Services dealing with an incident"


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ellendune on October 11, 2014, 13:32:19
There's been a lot of talk about the need for FGW to put pressure on Network Rail, but if I have understood correctly it is their contractors who have been doing the damage with their own staff left to mend the damage.  Perhaps we should be urging Network Rail to apply more pressure on their contractors.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 11, 2014, 13:35:07
Another incident today - "Emergency Services dealing with an incident"

Is this to do with the gas leak at Reading Station (reported elsewhere on this forum I believe)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: paul7575 on October 11, 2014, 13:46:16
Hopefully if Network Rail (NR) do put the pressure on they won't do it by raising the local gas supply to extreme levels - we don't want to be going round in circles...

Paul

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 11, 2014, 13:54:25
There's been a lot of talk about the need for FGW to put pressure on Network Rail, but if I have understood correctly it is their contractors who have been doing the damage with their own staff left to mend the damage.  Perhaps we should be urging Network Rail to apply more pressure on their contractors.

Both maybe?....but there's little else FGW can do really.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 11, 2014, 14:36:04
But Network Rail is responsible for hiring the contractors and is responsible for the proper operation of the track and signalling. The pressure needs to go on Network Rail who, in turn, should sort their contractors out.

But the choice of contractor, how many, the overall work plan and oversight of the scheme is Network Rail's responsibility. These incidents seem to have been going on far too long and are too frequent. If I were a government minister I'd be looking to haul somebody at Network Rail over the coals; if I were a director at Network Rail I'd be looking to sort this out quickly and once and for all before the minister telephones. Yes, accidents happen but as was said on this theme in, I think, "Goldfinger" the third or fourth time it's "enemy action"


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 11, 2014, 14:45:53
Does this apply to Crossrail works too?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 11, 2014, 16:54:08
Not entirely sure with Crossrail but if the Government has allowed a separate body to work on Network Rail property or if NR don't have some responsibility for the work then they're barking mad as the scope for confusion is enormous.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Electric train on October 11, 2014, 17:03:11
The problem with major works on and around aging infrastructure is the fragility of it, more often than not a fault will appear days or even weeks after a work activity, within projects we do our very best to plan out these risks, to stage works to remove fragile equipment which can be very costly because it may not be required at that stage and my have to be reworked.  Risk assessments are carried out for each worksite, plans are drawn up on how to protect assets in the work area and even teams held on standby just to carry out faulting and repairs if the risk is deemed to be very high.

There are penalties imposed on contractors if they cause train delays as a result of their activities, however these are limited in the terms of the contracts, if there were no limits contractors would not bid for the work.  

Sitting in a please explain why meeting with program directors, or even Network Rail (NR) executive members and TOC executives is definitely a no coffee or biscuits meeting and you have to have all of the answers ready.  I have known it where it has been recommended to senior project managers that they consider a career change

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Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Electric train on October 11, 2014, 17:04:26
Not entirely sure with Crossrail but if the Government has allowed a separate body to work on Network Rail property or if NR don't have some responsibility for the work then they're barking mad as the scope for confusion is enormous.

NR are managing all of the "on network" Crossrail works


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TonyK on October 11, 2014, 18:38:27
The problem with major works on and around aging infrastructure is the fragility of it, more often than not a fault will appear days or even weeks after a work activity, within projects we do our very best to plan out these risks, to stage works to remove fragile equipment which can be very costly because it may not be required at that stage and my have to be reworked.  Risk assessments are carried out for each worksite, plans are drawn up on how to protect assets in the work area and even teams held on standby just to carry out faulting and repairs if the risk is deemed to be very high.

There are penalties imposed on contractors if they cause train delays as a result of their activities, however these are limited in the terms of the contracts, if there were no limits contractors would not bid for the work.  

Sitting in a please explain why meeting with program directors, or even NR executive members and TOC executives is definitely a no coffee or biscuits meeting and you have to have all of the answers ready.  I have known it where it has been recommended to senior project managers that they consider a career change



Very true. We had a fused switched spur to a boiler that worked fine for many years, until the day it was switched off, then on again (or not, as it turned out). The slightest push in the wrong place can be too much for something that has given no previous problems, especially when the policy for replacement is not "just in time", but "well overdue".


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 11, 2014, 18:49:28
Sitting in a please explain why meeting with program directors, or even Network Rail (NR) executive members and TOC executives is definitely a no coffee or biscuits meeting and you have to have all of the answers ready.  I have known it where it has been recommended to senior project managers that they consider a career change



I can imagine.  When we had that High Speed Train (HST) fail at Pewsey for several hours our MD bought everyone involved into a meeting including the driver.  Most thought this was going to be a laid back, friendly chat where we pull the wool over the MDs eyes, turned out the MD tore strips off just about everyone involved. 
Just because a person or organisation gives a public impression that they don't care, that they're laid back, disinterested doesn't mean to say that that's the case behind closed doors.
I think a few people sat up and took notice after that meeting.

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Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ellendune on October 11, 2014, 20:37:37
But Network Rail is responsible for hiring the contractors and is responsible for the proper operation of the track and signalling. The pressure needs to go on Network Rail who, in turn, should sort their contractors out.

But the choice of contractor, how many, the overall work plan and oversight of the scheme is Network Rail's responsibility. These incidents seem to have been going on far too long and are too frequent. If I were a government minister I'd be looking to haul somebody at Network Rail over the coals; if I were a director at Network Rail I'd be looking to sort this out quickly and once and for all before the minister telephones. Yes, accidents happen but as was said on this theme in, I think, "Goldfinger" the third or fourth time it's "enemy action"

Yes but this pressure needs to go all the way down to those who actually cause the damage. Yes Network Rail (NR) are responsible for selecting their contractors, but their contractors are then responsible for carrying out the work properly.  If Network Rail (NR) do not push on their contractors then they are truly the only ones to blame as nothing will change. It is the contractors who can make a change.  I would like to see some uncomfortable meetings between the CEO of Network Rail (NR) and the CEO of the contractors concerned. 

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 12, 2014, 09:45:02
Hmmm.  With both my previous client hats on and my current contractors hat on ( ;D) my experience is that getting two MDs to have an argument doesn't get the industry anywhere.  The railway industry needs to work together to achieve success and avoid failures such as those discussed above. Shouting at each other and sacking people never solves anything but just makes it worse as you then lose the knowledge of whats gone on before.  I once worked for a business called 'Railtrack' whose policy was to 'shout and sack' and look what happened to them  :P


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 12, 2014, 10:55:47
But this is becoming a major problem that can't go unaddressed. I'm glad to hear these meetings are not coffee and biscuits affairs - but sooner or later somebody has to carry the can.

I agree that the contractors and sub-contractors are legally responsible for carrying out the work - that's the way the law works with chains of indemnities and warranties. But somebody at Network Rail has to carry the can as they appoint the contractors and supervise them and are the guys at the top ultimately responsible. If somebody at the top got demoted or worse it might send a message that things are being done. If this sort of shambles occurred in the private sector I know there would be consequences for somebody.

The contractors have to get the message that passengers (and I assume FGW) are rightly very very angry.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 12, 2014, 11:29:53
But this is becoming a major problem that can't go unaddressed. I'm glad to hear these meetings are not coffee and biscuits affairs - but sooner or later somebody has to carry the can.

The contractors have to get the message that passengers (and I assume FGW) are rightly very very angry.
I think you missed my point.  I didn't say that it shouldn't be seriously addressed but there are good ways and bad ways of achieving that.  You seem to be suggesting that those of us who work at the 'coal face' in the contracting industry don't care which is in fact far from the actual truth. I get just as frustrated as anybody else when the delays occur but at least I understand that we all live in an imperfect world and that there will always be good times and bad times.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 12, 2014, 11:54:22
I understand your problem only too well. But if problems keep happening and p****ing off the paying public, who's going to take the can? Something has to happen to sort it.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on October 12, 2014, 13:11:43
I suspect that having contractors be more careful isn't the whole answer.

Network rail still operate the infrastructure, and do most of the testing. They also have to set out the processes for doing the work, and coordinate the various bits of NR and other parties as well as the upgrade contractors. So the first questions is whether the processes defined are realistic.

Given that the work has do be done in a very confined space and time, at night (and even with a lot of lighting there are dark areas), and what's there is not perfectly documented, there is a lot of scope for things to go wrong. So the process has to cover all those possibilities. There are several cases where similar required processes were not. For example, the mandatory use of organophosphate sheep dip, where the rules were supposedly able to protect farm workers being harmed by what was a known toxin. After many years of argument, it was finally admitted by government that perhaps a farmer working with limited time, money, and hands in lousy weather and with a bunch of very stroppy sheep could not be expected to always use the protective clothing and methods without lapses. This could be something similar.

I'm sure the work involves a lot of moving cables out of the way before doing something (like drilling a hole). Moving a cable is likely to trigger a problem, and it may be latent - i.e. not cause a visible signalling fault until you do something else, perhaps miles away, and much later. How much testing do you do after such each cable move? The probability of this happening in any one instance is low, but if you do enough of them, on cables unmoved for a long time ...

I would also note that identifying and shaming those who do cock up, or extracting penalty payments, is only a means to and end. What is needed is fewer of these events in the future. Too much time spent playing pass the penalty parcel is a distraction, and one that is already too prevalent in both the rail and construction industries.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 12, 2014, 14:09:17
The equipment is seriously old & hasn't been moved for years (if at all) - if it has to be moved to get the OLE in place, what to do if its fragile & breaks every move?....difficult.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 12, 2014, 15:32:03
OK then perhaps this will cheer everybody up ::) ;) http://railnews.mobi/news/2014/10/10-network-rail-says-sorry-for.html


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 12, 2014, 15:37:05
I understand your problem only too well. But if problems keep happening and p****ing off the paying public, who's going to take the can? Something has to happen to sort it.

I do appreciate that problems will keep happening and yes it would be so much better if Network Rail (NR) and their contractors could do a better job. However as a member of the paying public, what is p***ing me off so much is FGW's attitude to their customers.

It seems to me that whenever there is any disruption we're left to fend for ourselves standing on platforms listening to just a few automated announcements and with inaccurate information being displayed on screens, especially trains just disappearing for no reason.

Yes FGW are improving, they're getting better at announcing revised plans in advance. However these plans are not always well-thought out, for example they often involve removing fast services to and from Twyford and Maidenhead while at the same time leaving 45-60 minute gaps in the stopping service at peak hours. In any case, what's the logic in passengers to and from Twyford (TWY) and Maidenhead (MAI) having to fight for space with those from Southall and Hayes?

Meanwhile FGW's most loyal customers, annual season ticket holders like myself, just get the same old 5% renewal discount as if performance had been just generally bad enough to fall beneath the trigger level. Yes I know that's the rule throughout the industry but is it really fair?

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 12, 2014, 15:43:33
Not much....gone beyond apologies now, in my view.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 12, 2014, 20:09:58
I seem to recall there was another furious outbreak of messages some months ago so the problems are, as I said, ongoing.

I'm not getting at the workers but please would somebody (a) at a very senior level in Network Rail say we're sorry (seems partly to have been done); (b) at a very senior level within NR say what they're going to actually do to get a serious and realistic grip on the problem and follow it through; and (c) persuade FGW to cough up properly for what happened on Monday (though ultimately that should be for NR's account).

OK the Great Western line may not have seen serious investment for years but that is part of the challenge NR has to face. If there are serious issues then how about being upfront about it and say we have a problem because of past under investment, this is what we propose to do to deal with it and these are short term knock-on consequences. Nobody likes (constant) surprises.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Electric train on October 13, 2014, 19:40:46
OK the Great Western line may not have seen serious investment for years but that is part of the challenge NR has to face. If there are serious issues then how about being upfront about it and say we have a problem because of past under investment, this is what we propose to do to deal with it and these are short term knock-on consequences. Nobody likes (constant) surprises.

That will not be said in public much now, it upsets the principle funders .............. Her Majesty's Gouvernment (HMG)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 13, 2014, 23:29:08
I see there were posters up at main stations today, with a personal apology from from FGW MD Mark Hopwood.

I agree with others that we need to be seeing apologies from Network Rail, perhaps  by video and posted on National Rail and FGW's websites. Has there even been any NR spokesperson on record in recent days, across the media?

I know that's unlikely, but Network Rail are very quick to engage the media with the positive news stories that the GWML improvements are bringing. Those fancy timelapse videos are brilliant and I predict we'll see more when the mobile knitting machines come out.

However when Network Rail fupp up they should be on record apologising.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 14, 2014, 09:08:01
The LCD screens at major stations that belong to Network Rail are trailing an apology from them and FGW. But yes, the Route MD apologising live on major news programmes should happen the day of disruption


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 14, 2014, 09:18:45
The LCD screens at major stations that belong to Network Rail are trailing an apology from them and FGW. But yes, the Route MD apologising live on major news programmes should happen the day of disruption

Not sure I agree with the logic here :)

Most of the people who would benefit from the apology will probably be stuck on trains !


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 14, 2014, 09:40:10
But too late for broadcast news the day after....its done, dusted & that day's news takes priority


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 14, 2014, 09:51:30
But too late for broadcast news the day after....its done, dusted & that day's news takes priority

That is also true.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 15, 2014, 12:38:51
That will not be said in public much now, it upsets the principle funders .............. Her Majesty's Gouvernment (HMG)

Perhaps a co-ordinated campaign of letters to travellers' MPs might help. If their postbags start bulging questions will be asked.

Also, Her Majesty's Gouvernment (HMG) might get some credibility by being upfront about the past lack of investment and saying they're trying to correct it. But I suppose honesty is not a concept that is well understood by many MPs (unless you're the Member for Clacton........?)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on October 15, 2014, 13:21:55
There is an apology on the Network Rail Web Site at

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/Network-Rail-comment-on-this-week-s-disruption-on-the-Great-Western-Main-Line-2183.aspx

and it includes

Quote
"This week we have not been able to provide the reliability passengers expect for which we apologise. We are wholly focused on delivering a new, modern, reliable rail network for London and the West."

Is it my mis-reading, or does that say "we're totally looking to the future, and not giving any attention to the chaos we might be causing while we're doing so"?

There is  also have an apology at the stations ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/nr_apology.jpg)

Anyone care to type in that URL?   Is it practical?  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 15, 2014, 13:35:28
Clicky here (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/about-us/media-centre/2014/october/first-great-western-welcomes-network-rail-apology)

Does not appear to link me directly to where one can claim compensation though ...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 15, 2014, 15:51:59

Anyone care to type in that URL?   Is it practical?  ;D


Maybe if it was more practical more people would claim? Not accusing anyone but its a theory... ;)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 15, 2014, 15:57:28
And perhaps people could bombard Patrick Hallgate - the route director for Western Region at NR. I see he's quoted in the local press around Oxford about electrification and redoubling to Hanborough and Charlbury in the 2020s.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 15, 2014, 16:12:40
And perhaps people could bombard Patrick Hallgate - the route director for Western Region at NR. I see he's quoted in the local press around Oxford about electrification and redoubling to Hanborough and Charlbury in the 2020s.

Alternatively email fgw.feedback@firstgroup.com with the following

1) A photograph of your ticket (and photo ID if applcable)
2) Date and time of your affected journey as well as the start and end points.

And then wait for them to reply with other information such as inside leg measurement which you didn't think they needed at the time of sending the original email.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 15, 2014, 16:24:07

Anyone care to type in that URL?   Is it practical?  ;D


Maybe if it was more practical more people would claim? Not accusing anyone but its a theory... ;)

I think you've hit the nail on the head..........the trickier and less well publicised it is, the fewer people will bother.......how often during "normal" periods of disruption are customers proactively advised as to how they can claim compensation? I can never remember it happening.......ooooh aren't I cynical!  :D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 15, 2014, 16:57:59
Actually as a statement I quite like that URL - it shows where FGW thinks the blame should lie.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 15, 2014, 22:32:59
From ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2014-10-15/first-great-western-apologise-for-rail-chaos/):

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First Great Western apologise for rail chaos

The MP Rob Wilson has received a letter of apology and explanation from Network Rail and First Great Western following last week^s travel chaos. The severe disruption resulted in train delays and cancellations - it took some people 5 hours to complete their journey.

The joint letter from Patrick Hallgate, Route Managing Director for Network Rail, and Mark Hopwood, Managing Director for First Great Western, acknowledged that performance had been ^well below the standards customers should expect^ and that the organisations were sorry for the ^frustration and inconvenience^ felt by passengers.

The delays and disruptions were caused by signalling failures. Billions are being invested in the rail network to replace and modernise older equipment and improve signalling.

Rob Wilson said, ^It^s good that Network Rail and First Great Western have apologised for the severe disruptions to the network. It^s important that the service providers recognise the immense frustration felt by commuters when the system grinds to halt. Whilst apologies and explanations are welcome, they will be of little comfort to commuters who have to suffer when trains are delayed and cancelled. There is huge investment going into transport infrastructure in Reading and the surrounding areas, but without improved performance and increased reliability this investment will be immaterial."

Yes it's good that Patrick Hallgate is now on record apologising, but I have a great deal of sympathy for FGW. It's they that get all the brick-bats from the travelling public despite being entirely blameless for last week's travel disruption. I'm aware that once you put your name on the side of a train you become the public face of the entire industry. I also appreciate that many folk are unaware that the train operator does not have responsibility for the infrastructure. That said, I'm not entirely comfortable with apologies being given by blameless parties. It would, I think, be much better for the party at fault to be making the apologies. Through the operator if needs be, worded something like:

"Network Rail would like to apologise to all First Great Western passengers..."

A joint letter to an MP is a start, but I'd like to see more humble pie eating by Patrick Hallgate for last week's debacle.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 15, 2014, 23:30:14
Might be a coincidence, but the wagons in Langley sidings haven't been filled up with foundation posts to be installed each night since last week's problems.  Work halted whilst things are investigated?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 15, 2014, 23:35:01
Might be a coincidence, but the wagons in Langley sidings haven't been filled up with foundation posts to be installed each night since last week's problems.  Work halted whilst things are investigated?

With GWML electrification already seriously over-budget it won't be helpful if work has had to be halted.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxman on October 15, 2014, 23:46:38
This work is down to Crossrail and has been subcontracted to Balfour Beatty, who operate from the sidings at Langley. GWML is paying for electrification from Maidenhead (exclusive) westwards.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 16, 2014, 07:12:48
This made the news on the TV this morning too.. They said that the electrification work would be put on hold/slowed down whilst they worked out how to stop this sort of thing happening..

Incidentally there are signalling problems again this morning.. My train is cancelled... ???


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 16, 2014, 07:41:57
My train this morning, the 0653 from TWY (0620 from DID) wasn't delayed into PAD but it did arrive into HEx Platform 6!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 16, 2014, 07:43:47
The problems this morning are immediately outside Paddington.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 16, 2014, 07:44:57
The problems this morning are immediately outside Paddington.

Track circuit failures outside Paddington which is a repeat of a fault from earlier on this week.  Track circuits are failing because of what's known as 'wet beds'. Basically the track bed is saturated and is not draining properly.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 16, 2014, 08:11:10
The problems this morning are immediately outside Paddington.

Track circuit failures outside Paddington which is a repeat of a fault from earlier on this week.  Track circuits are failing because of what's known as 'wet beds'. Basically the track bed is saturated and is not draining properly.

Leaves, rain, sunshine, heat, cold, ice or snow............can all be guaranteed to bring the railway to a grinding halt............tricky stuff is weather!  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 16, 2014, 08:25:54
Luckily I have a very understanding employer.. Goodness knows what people who don't have that do..


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 16, 2014, 08:27:49
We haven't even had excessive rain either....

But Ex-hurricane Gonzalo due next week....ho hum


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on October 16, 2014, 08:47:51
We haven't even had excessive rain either....

But Ex-hurricane Gonzalo due next week....ho hum

The amount of lines that have flooded across the country in the past few months with minimal rainfall is testament to the fact that Network Rail's maintenance is severely lacking.
Surely Network Rails delay minutes must be steadily rising yet no one at the DfT is in the slightest bit concerned or they've choosen to turn a blind eye.  The last two freight train derailments on the network investigated by the RAIB have both come back highlighting track faults as a cause.

Just listening to the radio and they're reporting delays between Chelsmford and Liverpool St of appx 45 minutes due to....... signalling problems


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TonyK on October 16, 2014, 10:52:24
The problems this morning are immediately outside Paddington.

Carnage all day, according to Journey Check.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 16, 2014, 11:56:21
Yet more problems today between Ealing Broadway & Paddington:

http://www.journeycheck.com/firstgreatwestern/ (http://www.journeycheck.com/firstgreatwestern/)

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Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 mins or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
Customer Advice:
Owing to signalling problems affecting a couple of running lines on the approach to London Paddington we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present.
There will be a reduction in the frequency of train services (in both directions) between London Paddington and Reading & Oxford and also between London Paddington and Swindon, Bristol Parkway, Newport & Cardiff Central.
Any other train service cancellations or alterations will be advised on an individual basis.

Apologies - this has been mentioned on the October 2014 thread - please delete this post if it doesnt require a separate theread!

Mod Note: No problem - merged with existing topic - bobm


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 16, 2014, 12:30:58
To be honest it's simply appalling and an extension of the p*** poor "service" last week.

The fact that one of the richest, most technologically advanced countries on Earth is unable to maintain a railway without failing on basics such as bodging through cables or being unable to drain a couple of days worth of rainwater from the track bed, along with frequent mechanical failures and staff being "unavailable" bears all the marks of something which is rapidly becoming unfit for purpose.

I don't particularly care who is to blame, from where I sit there is a duality of ineptitude between NR and FGW concerning their respective responsibilities and I'm sick of one blaming the other and/or the DfT.......in the real World, you take it on the chin, front up and say sorry to your customers whilst having these arguments behind closed doors and making sure things improve......you don't point fingers, quibble over the miserly compensation which may be due or make it difficult to claim it.

Hundreds of thousands of customers spend millions of ^ a year on some of the highest fares in Europe and rely on FGW to get them to work and they are entitled to expect better than this 4th class weekly or more recently daily farce.........we constantly hear "it'll get better in a few years" - I have no faith in this at all based on the current incumbents- what a great advert for a new 5 year franchise.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TonyK on October 16, 2014, 13:00:32
To me, it seems that with a major re-signalling programme, major infrastructure renewals, and a major electrification scheme all under way, as little money as possible will be spent on making the old stuff last a few more months, and puntuality will come a distant second to safety.

Sorry, TaplowGreen, but it will get better in a few years. Until then, it will hopefully stagger along reasonably well.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: broadgage on October 16, 2014, 13:09:36
As I have previously remarked, increasingly we have a fair weather only weekday only railway.
Services at weekends and near holiday times have been disrupted by ongoing "improvement" works that never seem to improve matters.
Monday morning services are liable to disruption from  overrunning engineering works.
Most of us are now aware that large areas of the network can be disabled by a single lightning strike or cable theft.
No one expects a normal service in bad weather.

It now seems that an entirely normal wet spell results in dozens of cancellations and many other services only serving a small portion of the intended route.

Any reasonable person would accept that things go wrong, but surely not this often ? Major problems seem to occur at least once a week, three days last week and once this week.

Whilst most of the problems seem to be network rail, I feel that FGW could respond a bit better. After all signalling disruption is rapidly becoming a normal operating condition !
Since only a limited number of trains can run on certain days, FGW should perhaps give more attention to doubling up DMUs so as to ensure that the reduced number of paths are utilised by full length trains.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 16, 2014, 14:31:31
Given notice the previous evening, I'm sure an effort to double-up tirbos could be made. However, failures of this kind aren't predicable. Thus I think its unfair to expect the operator to do this. It requires planning


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: lordgoata on October 16, 2014, 16:03:59
Forgive me as I know NOTHING about how the railway, depots, stations etc work but, if there are multiple trains standing idle at Reading depot and there is severe disruption in the morning, is there really no one available to move a 3-car into one of the Reading platforms to hook up to another incoming 3-car service from Banbury/Oxford ?

This morning for example, the signal issues were reported before 6am according to JourneyCheck. One of the morning services (something around 7:26) from Goring was cancelled (think its an HST). The following service (7:38) was ontime and relatively quiet for a morning of disruption. By Pangbourne it was busy. By Tilehurst it was solid. Most got off at Reading, only to be replaced with similar numbers (side note, no one stopped the bikes getting on at Reading). By the time we left Twyford it was standing room only.

We pulled up at Maidenhead and the fight to get off ensued, but as I was getting off, one of the platform staff was apologising to those standing in the vestibule as he asked them to move so they could load a wheel chair. It was already standing room only, and that was without those at Maidenhead getting on. I have no idea what the outcome was but I felt sorry for the poor lady in the wheelchair knowing it would be like sardines once everyone else tried to push on.

All of that could have been avoided with a couple of extra carriages at Reading. Yes we may have been delayed a few minutes while it was hitched up, but in the grand scheme of things that would have been nothing.

I know some of the trains at Reading are in for maintenance or whatever, but not all of them are.

And yes this is a genuine question - there is nothing more frustrating than passing the depot full of trains (there were 9 sitting there the other week when the signal issues occurred), when you are crammed in the one that's moving  :(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TonyK on October 16, 2014, 18:00:17
A lighter moment - checking on FGW's website for the current state of play, I came across this invaluable snippet of information in the Journey Checker:

Quote
19:34 Bourne End to Maidenhead due 19:45
 This train will now be formed of the usual number of coaches.
 This is due to an earlier train fault.

Eh?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 16, 2014, 20:42:10
I know our local (Thatcham) station master reasonably well. He is very proud of the station and in the early hours of the morning you will see him brushing up rubbish and fag ends from the (non smoking) platforms.

However when he ventures out on to the platform without his broom I've learnt that he is about to impart helpful but bad news. This morning was no exception.

I was in no mad panic to get to london as I had left myself plenty of time and got to my end destination only one minute late.

When I was in the office I was talking to commuters who had come in from Brighton , Colchester and Peterborough and it seems like they all have problems on their lines so we are no alone.

Here is hoping for a better day tomorrow




Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 18, 2014, 12:49:05
Spotted this at Oxford on my journey home last night: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomlane_web/15560106151/


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on October 18, 2014, 19:30:18
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-29641605)
Quote
16 October 2014 Last updated at 13:34
Oxfordshire rail works scaled back after service failure
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78035000/jpg/_78035012_c01b7113-7748-4d75-b667-83cc88e220e4.jpg)
Trains were delayed and cancelled

Work on the Great Western mainline through Oxfordshire has been temporarily scaled back after commuters were disrupted by failed signalling.

Network Rail said engineers carrying out piling works had hit a power cable on Monday 6 October which caused the problem.

The firm said: "We have stopped piling until we have reviewed the process that caused the problems."

The work forms part of Network Rail's ^1bn rail electrification project.

The power failure resulted in a severely reduced service into Paddington, adding up to an hour to a journey.

Services to and from the west of England, Swansea, Bristol, Oxford, Reading, Cheltenham Spa and Worcester were also affected.

That was from Thursday, though I don't think it was posted here.

Two points strike me. One is that "engineers carrying out piling works had hit a power cable" still leaves it unclear which of the piling crew's activities did the damage.

The other point is ... Oxfordshire? I though it was near Slough. Does the BBC Oxford know something we don't, or do they not know where Oxfordshire is?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 18, 2014, 19:40:54
Maybe Oxfordshire has expanded as far as Slough though no one has told me if so :-)

I got a letter from Network Rail warning me of piling works on the tracks through Maidenhead for the next few weeks and warning there might be noise.. I'm not THAT close to the railway line (probably a five minute walk if I were to be able to walk in a straight line to it) so hopefully it won't be too noisy when they are doing it on the stretch of track nearest my house.. Assuming they do it after that report..


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 18, 2014, 21:50:07
I'm not THAT close to the railway line (probably a five minute walk if I were to be able to walk in a straight line to it)

And how long does it take when sober?  ;D

Apologies for being cheeky.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on October 18, 2014, 22:09:16
I'm not THAT close to the railway line (probably a five minute walk if I were to be able to walk in a straight line to it)

And how long does it take when sober?  ;D

Apologies for being cheeky.

Ha Ha very funny :-) When sober I can't walk through people's houses and gardens so imagine it would be more like ten minutes ;-)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 20, 2014, 08:09:02
Quote
Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Didcot Parkway:
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

Next up are Didcot Parkway and Swindon as the works head West I guess? Either that or the rain  ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 20, 2014, 12:17:21
The last two freight train derailments on the network investigated by the RAIB have both come back highlighting track faults as a cause.

And a third now - the initial thoery of the cause of the recent coal train derailment in the Vale of Glamorgan is a rail defect...poor, very poor - were no lessons actually learnt from Potters Bar, Grayrigg...?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29661936 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29661936)

There is a link on the above BBC page to the initial Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) report

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on October 20, 2014, 12:25:13
Quote
Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Didcot Parkway:
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

Next up are Didcot Parkway and Swindon as the works head West I guess? Either that or the rain  ::)


Overrunning over-night engineering works according to the dispatcher at Didcot.  The first up Bristol (1L01) was held 45 minutes at Swindon and was 55 down entering PAD.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 20, 2014, 16:18:14
Next up overnight - ex-Hurricane Gonzalo......good luck in the morning, folks!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2014, 16:23:46
And a third now - the initial thoery of the cause of the recent coal train derailment in the Vale of Glamorgan is a rail defect...poor, very poor - were no lessons actually learnt from Potters Bar, Grayrigg...?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29661936 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29661936)

There is a link on the above BBC page to the initial RAIB report

Also discussed on the Coffee Shop forum, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14668.msg163572#msg163572  ;)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stebbo on October 23, 2014, 11:48:46
Just like the freight train derailment at Gloucester back last year.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 23, 2014, 12:44:28
Kind of relevant and a bit belated.

But it seems the network held up relatively well with the weather/'hurricane'.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 23, 2014, 12:48:25
Yes, it was fairly tame down south.  The biggest problem with strong winds is the risk of large trees being brought down, and as such there's an element of luck involved as to just how many fall, what time and where.  This time the railway network was fairly 'lucky'.  Mind you, another problem in Autumn is strong winds bringing down a lot of leaves and rain then making them incredibly slippery, so the skills of a driver are often truly tested at such times.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 23, 2014, 13:36:00
Evidence of the slipping and sliding, following the leaf fall brought about by the high winds, can be heard when on board.

Many trains I've taken in the past few days have noticeable wheel flats.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2014, 13:46:26
Evidence of the slipping and sliding, following the leaf fall brought about by the high winds, can be heard when on board.

Many trains I've taken in the past few days have noticeable wheel flats.

I am still baffled as to why in our benign climate such a minor feature of nature which has been occurring since the dawn of time has the potential to bring chaos to the railways (along with almost every other form of weather to be fair!)

Surely there must be a way of addressing it? (other than felling every tree within a 5 mile radius of the line?)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 23, 2014, 14:16:21
I am still baffled as to why in our benign climate such a minor feature of nature which has been occurring since the dawn of time has the potential to bring chaos to the railways (along with almost every other form of weather to be fair!)

Surely there must be a way of addressing it? (other than felling every tree within a 5 mile radius of the line?)

There are certain species (as I recall the dreaded sycamore is a particular offender) who's leaves produce a more slippery rail head which are specifically targetted and are removed. Equally, species prone to dropping large limbs or suffering other wind damage should also be targetted for removal.

This is also something which has arisen since the demise of steam traction. When everything was steam powered the trackside areas & embankments were religiously cleared of virtually all vegetation to reduce the incidences of lineside fires. Obviously that was no longer such an issue with diesel & electric trains, so the lineside vegetation was allowed to flourish from the late 1960's onwards. Considerable effort over the past 10-15 years has been put in to manage trackside vegetation from a point of view of improving rail head conditions and visibility from level crossings & the lineside.

There is also the issue that many trains are now disc braked, which means that the wheel treads are no longer cleared each time the brakes are applied and brake performance is massively superior with disc brakes (equally as is acceleration) which in itself raises the likelihood of a slip.

So, in other words, the problem has existed forever, just more of an issue in the past 50 years or so since the advent of diesel & electric traction and is an evolving problem as other technologies change.

We now also have the situation that these areas have become important wildlife corridors and habitats, so need to be carefully managed.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Electric train on October 23, 2014, 14:56:00
I am still baffled as to why in our benign climate such a minor feature of nature which has been occurring since the dawn of time has the potential to bring chaos to the railways (along with almost every other form of weather to be fair!)

Surely there must be a way of addressing it? (other than felling every tree within a 5 mile radius of the line?)

There are certain species (as I recall the dreaded sycamore is a particular offender) who's leaves produce a more slippery rail head which are specifically targetted and are removed. Equally, species prone to dropping large limbs or suffering other wind damage should also be targetted for removal.

This is also something which has arisen since the demise of steam traction. When everything was steam powered the trackside areas & embankments were religiously cleared of virtually all vegetation to reduce the incidences of lineside fires. Obviously that was no longer such an issue with diesel & electric trains, so the lineside vegetation was allowed to flourish from the late 1960's onwards. Considerable effort over the past 10-15 years has been put in to manage trackside vegetation from a point of view of improving rail head conditions and visibility from level crossings & the lineside.

There is also the issue that many trains are now disc braked, which means that the wheel treads are no longer cleared each time the brakes are applied and brake performance is massively superior with disc brakes (equally as is acceleration) which in itself raises the likelihood of a slip.

So, in other words, the problem has existed forever, just more of an issue in the past 50 years or so since the advent of diesel & electric traction and is an evolving problem as other technologies change.

We now also have the situation that these areas have become important wildlife corridors and habitats, so need to be carefully managed.

It is also the case that traction units are much lighter, the heavier 100 tonne locomotives had far better adhesion however their power to weight ratio was poor, modern multiple unit traction with distributed traction along the train (or at least a couple of coaches) are more energy efficient, lower rolling resistance etc however a little bit of "grease" (ie leaves and moisture) and they don't have the mass to displace the "grease"


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Western Enterprise on October 23, 2014, 14:58:06


Many trains I've taken in the past few days have noticeable wheel flats.

I was waiting at Slough last night when a High Speed Train (HST) ECS came through on the up relief.
The last power car's wheels were making a hell of a noise, it sounded oval shaped. Possibly going for repair / lift ?
There was that brilliant tv programme recently where they showed them changing a bogie overnight, but that my have been Laira.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on October 23, 2014, 15:07:51
It is also the case that traction units are much lighter, the heavier 100 tonne locomotives had far better adhesion however their power to weight ratio was poor, modern multiple unit traction with distributed traction along the train (or at least a couple of coaches) are more energy efficient, lower rolling resistance etc however a little bit of "grease" (ie leaves and moisture) and they don't have the mass to displace the "grease"

Not forgetting a massive reduction in driving wheel circumference which will alter the dynamics considerably.

Also of note for anyone who hasn't had the joy of working on a railway in wet weather, is that if you step (strictly against the rules!) on a wet but otherwise clean rail, you pretty quickly discover that a rubber boot sole slips as if it was on smooth ice, so it gives a bit of an appreciation of what happens to a steel wheel when you stick a bit of wet, slippery, partially decomposed leaf matter in between it and the rail!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 24, 2014, 01:40:30
A major problem with leaf fall after high winds in early autumn is that the leaves are still quite green and thus full of moisture.

Last year I learnt this at personal cost. Moist leaves on the steps outside my flat led to an A over T moment and a broken coccyx. Still gives me occasional gyp.

Credit to the train drivers out there though. Takes some skill to drive a train when rail head conditions are poor. Better to have a few 50p shaped wheels than a SPAD or unintended meeting with a buffer stop.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 24, 2014, 08:34:47
Today's treat is a broken down freight train at Langley, with 20 minute delays into Paddington. I've been stop/start since before Slough.
Edit : I'm already 40 mins late, still nr Southall


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 24, 2014, 09:09:43
I'm guessing that the broken down freight is the one in the RTT link below, the GBRf 0203 from Moreton-on-Lugg to Harlow Mill:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02683/2014/10/24/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02683/2014/10/24/advanced)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: eightf48544 on October 24, 2014, 10:01:04
Looking at the real time log it looks as if it mangaged to break down  between Langley (pass 1E) and and the entrance to the  West Drayton Up goods Loop (Just West of Iver Station). Where it was booked for a 1 hour 46 wait.

Looks like Murphy's Law (Rail) A train will always breakdownw in the most inconvinient place!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 24, 2014, 10:05:53
Looks like Murphy's Law (Rail) A train will always breakdownw in the most inconvinient place!

Indeed, I was 65 mins late into PAD.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 24, 2014, 10:08:14
Looking at the real time log it looks as if it mangaged to break down  between Langley (pass 1E) and and the entrance to the  West Drayton Up goods Loop (Just West of Iver Station). Where it was booked for a 1 hour 46 wait.

Indeed, I was 65 mins late into PAD.

And ironically, after having caused approx 1 hour delays to many FGW trains this morning, it looks like the freight has since passed Acton Wells Jct running just 30 seconds late!


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 24, 2014, 10:08:34
Today's treat is a broken down freight train at Langley, with 20 minute delays into Paddington. I've been stop/start since before Slough.
Edit : I'm already 40 mins late, still nr Southall

Nice to have a bit of variety at least, makes a change from signal failures, FGW train failures,staff "unavailability", leaves, rainfall, sunshine etc?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on October 24, 2014, 10:20:09
As far as I can see on RTT, that goods train (663V) rejoined the Up Relief as scheduled, and has passed Willesden 3L. 1P91 went through Langley P4 after it.

The train that's showing as lost in transit isn't a goods train, it's 2P17 RDG-PAD, which shows as still in Langley P4. So 663V would have had the relief line all to itself to West Ealing. The next few trains crossed to the Up Main at Dolphin Jcn.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 24, 2014, 10:43:31
Just heard a rumour that a Turbo has now failed at Ealing Broadway, I believe it might be 2P34 0834 DID-PAD which according to RTT has gone nowhere since 1008. Never rains...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 24, 2014, 10:49:43
Just heard a rumour that a Turbo has now failed at Ealing Broadway, I believe it might be 2P34 0834 DID-PAD which according to RTT has gone nowhere since 1008. Never rains...


Journeycheck has changed...

Quote
Due to a broken down train between Slough and Hayes & Harlington all lines are disrupted.

EDIT: 2P34 has passed Acton West 70 down. Ouch.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 24, 2014, 10:57:16
Just heard a rumour that a Turbo has now failed at Ealing Broadway, I believe it might be 2P34 0834 DID-PAD which according to RTT has gone nowhere since 1008. Never rains...

That's going to go down well at the intermediate stations. Langley, Southall, Hayes were all packed with people as I crawled through on the 'fast' line. I could see the station boards showing multiple cancellations and the advice on Twitter was to go direct to PAD and double back to intermediate stops.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 24, 2014, 12:10:23
...........not sure if the rumours are true, but I hear the new FGW staff uniform has been inspired by the Keystone Kops...........


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 24, 2014, 12:15:59
No it was this one - 05:54 Acton to West Drayton freight

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H34970/2014/10/24/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H34970/2014/10/24/advanced)

"Your" one (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02683/2014/10/24/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02683/2014/10/24/advanced)) was one of those caught up behind it.

Edit note: This was in reply to a now edited comment from TaplowGreen replaced by the post above.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on October 24, 2014, 13:19:36
I remain unconvinced.

2P17 is now shown on RTT as
Quote
This service was cancelled between Langley and London Paddington due to a problem with the traction equipment (MC).

639Z 0554 Acton T.C. to West Drayton A.R.C. went "off the record" from 06:21 to 08:41, but the delays started after 07:30. I guess there are quite a few places for a goods train to lurk without getting its presence detected.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 24, 2014, 14:03:05
I guess there are quite a few places for a goods train to lurk without getting its presence detected.

Python-esque scenes spring to mind of a bloody great freight service hiding behind trees etc... ;)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 24, 2014, 15:44:35
I remain unconvinced.

2P17 is now shown on RTT as
Quote
This service was cancelled between Langley and London Paddington due to a problem with the traction equipment (MC).


2P17 was trapped behind the failed freight and was terminated at Langley before being sent back to Slough to form another service.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 24, 2014, 18:24:18
I'm now delayed 15 mins passing Maidenhead on the way home due to an earlier train fault.
This day is just total fail.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 24, 2014, 19:47:57
This day is just total fail.

And it looks like it's by no means over yet, services currently at a stand in the West Drayton area, FGW tweeting about a train having 'hit something'.

EDIT: Now sadly being confirmed as a fatality.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on October 24, 2014, 20:15:48
This day is just total fail.

And it looks like it's by no means over yet, services currently at a stand in the West Drayton area, FGW tweeting about a train having 'hit something'.

EDIT: Now sadly being confirmed as a fatality.

Discussion on this latest incident, as it's unrelated to to Thames Valley signalling issues, is in a separate topic:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14791.msg164034#msg164034


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on October 29, 2014, 07:27:57
Another signalling debacle this morning. Fast line between maidenhead and slough is closed due to signalling problems apparently. From the HST movements it looks like both ways.

This morning my First Class ticket has bought me a cramped standing space outside the revolving toilet.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 29, 2014, 07:46:55
Both Up and Down main closed due to a points failure at Maidenhead.

Temporary repair made to get by the rush hour.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on October 29, 2014, 08:32:07
Also just to add to the mess, the 0709 RDG-PAD stopper failed to the east of Reading blocking the UR for about 20 minutes or so.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2014, 08:40:59
Another signalling debacle this morning. Fast line between maidenhead and slough is closed due to signalling problems apparently. From the HST movements it looks like both ways.

This morning my First Class ticket has bought me a cramped standing space outside the revolving toilet.


I don't think anyone is surprised any more to be honest, it's pretty much a daily event on our basket case of a railway.......pal of mine was stuck on the stopper BBM mentioned, late for work for the 7th time this month, Boss has warned him that although he understands the situation he can't tolerate it for much longer.......does losing your job count as "consequential losses" I wonder?  >:(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2014, 08:48:09
Another fatality somewhere? Journeycheck reporting delays from Swindon towards PAD


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 29, 2014, 08:53:55
Another fatality somewhere? Journeycheck reporting delays from Swindon towards PAD

Between Bath & Bristol is what has been reported, 45-60 minute delays.
Some services due through RDG around ~07:30 were showing 30 minute delay. There was an earlier trespass incident reported, I don't know how all this is interrelated.

I left RDG on time on a fast service and lost 17 minutes getting to PAD.



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2014, 09:55:23
Another fatality somewhere? Journeycheck reporting delays from Swindon towards PAD

Between Bath & Bristol is what has been reported, 45-60 minute delays.
Some services due through RDG around ~07:30 were showing 30 minute delay. There was an earlier trespass incident reported, I don't know how all this is interrelated.

I left RDG on time on a fast service and lost 17 minutes getting to PAD.




Twitter was reporting a body found on the track between Bath/Bristol earlier.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: bobm on October 29, 2014, 12:22:03
Reported here http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14829.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14829.0)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 30, 2014, 09:08:27
Yet more chaos late last night, signal problems again, services after 11pm hugely delayed and cancelled - people stranded until well into the early hours...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on October 30, 2014, 11:02:45
Yet more chaos late last night

Yikes. I was quite lucky this morning then to be delayed by only 10 minutes through Maidenhead due to congestion behind a train that earlier had difficulties.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: tomL on October 30, 2014, 14:00:42
Another problem. This time between Swindon and Didcot.

Edit: Looks like it was a (relatively, compared to the others) minor thing...

Quote
Following signalling problems between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines have now reopened.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 30 mins. Normal services will be provided as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 01, 2014, 20:41:35
Signalling problems again today..From Journeycheck..

"Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington some Reading bound fast lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed."


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 01, 2014, 20:42:15
And also from Twitter:

"Following signal problems the 18:58 Paddington to Penzance service will be going back to Southall. Updates to follow"


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: John R on November 01, 2014, 21:19:47
Curiously this appears (according to RTT) to form a booked service from Swindon to Westbury and is just about to pass MKM around 45 down (without stopping for clarification).


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 01, 2014, 21:22:57
From what I could see on realtime trains it was to Plymouth not Penzance but maybe there were in a hurry to post it.. It does look like it did a bit of reversing around Southall according to realtime trains but as you say is on it's way again now

Also and maybe related or not there was another journeycheck entry for the 19.22 Paddington to Oxford service:

"This train will call additionally at Southall.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow."

It makes me wonder if it was related to the other post or just a coincidence



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on November 01, 2014, 21:24:13
Curiously this appears (according to RTT) to form a booked service from Swindon to Westbury and is just about to pass MKM around 45 down (without stopping for clarification).

Lots of work on the Berks and Hants this weekend and for the next five or six weekends.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: a-driver on November 01, 2014, 21:38:44
Southall West Loop was "converted" by Network Rail for use by passenger trains because of a points failure.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on November 03, 2014, 17:05:38
Is it time for a November thread yet ? The problem is at Southall according to Twitter.

Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington
Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound fast line.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 03, 2014, 17:26:28
Is it time for a November thread yet ?

Topic heading updated (yet again) accordingly. CfN.  ;)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on November 03, 2014, 18:20:42
Brave! To only add this month makes one think everything will be ok next month! :-)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 03, 2014, 18:21:44
18.18 to oxford is dangerously overcrowded.  >:(


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 03, 2014, 18:32:15
18.18 to oxford is dangerously overcrowded.  >:(

Looks like the 18.18, which is always rammed anyway, has picked up much of the contents of the delayed 17.49.

Incidentally have any other season ticket holders been contacted by fgw about the early October delays?  Thought we were due a refund or such like...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 03, 2014, 19:27:50
1749 to Worcester shrub hill was (1) announced on the train as delayed by a train problem, (2) once we've all got off then it's announced as being about to depart, (3) repeat of (1), (4) repeat of (2).
Leaves Paddington about 25 late. At Reading it's announced that it's only going to Evesham. As we pass Didcot it's announced as going through to shrub hill. Now at Oxford. Who knows...


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 03, 2014, 19:29:02
Brave! To only add this month makes one think everything will be ok next month! :-)

I toyed with the alternative of renaming this topic "Thames Valley signalling problems causing delays - ongoing discussion", but I felt that would be the act of a pessimist ...  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 03, 2014, 19:48:16
I was on the 17.49.. I got off when we were told they didn't think they could mend it.. I ignored the advice we were given to get the 18.18 as I know it's already a crowded train so headed for 18.12 Henley train.. As I get to platform 11 I could hear the 17.49 being announced so headed back over there.. But no.. It was still broken so went back to the 18.12.

That is a delight in itself as it follows a stopper (even though it only really stops at Slough before Maidenhead) so is incredibly slow and tortuous.. Can't be much fun for the driver really either.. The good thing about that is that no one wants to get it so lots of room for me  ::) ;D

In the end we arrived back in Maidenhead about 8 minutes after the delayed 17.49 and whilst the 18.18 was still decamping people onto platform 1..

Note to self.. No point trying to get home early.. Next time go to the pub instead  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 03, 2014, 19:52:09
Note to self.. No point trying to get home early.. Next time go to the pub instead  ;D ;D

That would be the act of a pragmatist.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Oxonhutch on November 03, 2014, 20:07:38
Incidentally have any other season ticket holders been contacted by fgw about the early October delays?  Thought we were due a refund or such like...

No, and I have been looking out for it. I did though get invited by FGW to undertake a survey for season ticket holders in light of the disruptions of late.

A refund has been declared (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Home/contents/travel-advice) and I believe it is a Void Day, but it doesn't specify it in their letter (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/-/media/PDF/contents/travel-advice/october%20void%20days/Dear%20Customer%20annual.pdf). Clue is in the title though ...

[Edited to say...] All the Void Days, including the infamous wet week in February are detailed here (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Customer-services/Refunds).


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 03, 2014, 20:21:15
Note to self.. No point trying to get home early.. Next time go to the pub instead  ;D ;D

That would be the act of a pragmatist.  ;) :D ;D

And a realist  ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2014, 05:53:17
18.18 to oxford is dangerously overcrowded.  >:(

I've seen the pictures of this service on arrival at Maidenhead (I think)- absolutely unbelievable, must be close to worst overcrowding ever on a single service?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 04, 2014, 08:13:51
Where can I see that?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2014, 08:41:20
Where can I see that?

Someone had taken a picture and put it on Twitter.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on November 04, 2014, 09:05:32
Cancellations to services between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford

Due to poor rail conditions between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford all lines are blocked.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

Last Updated 04/11/2014 09:00

Honeybourne would appear to be the problem spot.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Jason on November 04, 2014, 09:07:40
1749 to Worcester shrub hill was (1) announced on the train as delayed by a train problem

It must be bad luck but three times in the last few weeks I've planned to board this service at Paddington only for it to fail or leave late due to attendance of fitters.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on November 04, 2014, 09:16:07
Cancellations to services between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford

Due to poor rail conditions between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford all lines are blocked.

Interesting note on RTT for the 0648 from PAD to Great Malvern which appears to have only got as far as Moreton-in-Marsh:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C40903/2014/11/04/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C40903/2014/11/04/advanced)

Quote from: Real Time Trains
This service was cancelled between Moreton-in-Marsh and Great Malvern due to it being Autumn (TT).

 ;D


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 04, 2014, 09:24:13
18.18 to oxford is dangerously overcrowded.  >:(

I've seen the pictures of this service on arrival at Maidenhead (I think)- absolutely unbelievable, must be close to worst overcrowding ever on a single service?

Yes, the 18.18 came in on Platform 1 rather than Platform 3.  Lets face it, neither platform can adequately cope with the quantity of passengers on an overcrowded 18.18 but Platform 1 is definitely worst.
Overcrowding was such that passengers couldn't actually get off the train due to numbers on the platform.  There was much jostling and the chance of someone taking a slip down the gap was high - people were having to push themselves away from the train.  There was certainly no gap between crowds and train before the doors were shut and the train departed.  Being half-term (it seems) there were a number of small children in the crowd too.

No platform staff at all.





Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 10:24:06
I can't obviously see the picture on twitter.. Did they put it against @FGW?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2014, 12:49:11
I can't obviously see the picture on twitter.. Did they put it against @FGW?

Yes just after 7pm last night......also read on Twitter that one very busy train went straight through Maidenhead without stopping last night due to driver error?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 17:11:49
Any chance of putting a link on here? Twitter is obviously being selective over what I am allowed to see and what I'm not :-)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 17:52:58
Found it now.. no thanks to twitter  ::)

And that is what happens when you try and get two busy trains worth of people onto one of those two trains.. That train was at Maidenhead for 3 minutes according to realtime trains.. 3 minutes worth of people getting off a train is quite a lot.. I'm really glad I didn't try and get on it in the first place, especially as I got back at the same time but in relative (if not slow and tortuous) comfort..

Which reminds me.. The train I was on had working air-con.. finally.. just in time for winter  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2014, 18:21:05
Found it now.. no thanks to twitter  ::)

And that is what happens when you try and get two busy trains worth of people onto one of those two trains.. That train was at Maidenhead for 3 minutes according to realtime trains.. 3 minutes worth of people getting off a train is quite a lot.. I'm really glad I didn't try and get on it in the first place, especially as I got back at the same time but in relative (if not slow and tortuous) comfort..

Which reminds me.. The train I was on had working air-con.. finally.. just in time for winter  ::) ::)

Absolutely shocking that there were no staff on the platform  - one of these days there will be a tragedy.....FGW simply have to take responsibility for ensuring that trains are not crush loaded to dangerous proportions......and  yes OK maybe people should sometimes go for a pint and wait until things quieten down a bit rather than trying to cram on but at the moment with the service as flaky as it is on a daily basis that isn't practical - responsibility overall for safety sits fairly and squarely with FGW.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 18:27:32
Realtime trains showed it as swapping from platform 3 to 1 not long before it arrived so I expect the staff didn't know either until it was too late.. It's not easy to get up the stairs to platform 1 when hundreds of people are descending even had they tried once they were aware..

At least there is also a step free exit into the Shoppenhangers road car park from platform 1.. Although it looks like most people preferred to wait for the stairs


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 04, 2014, 18:32:55
Any chance of posting the pic, or a link to it?

Only a handful of people went to shoppenhangars (incl me) as the crowd was too big to pass on the platform.
To put things in context I walked the full length of the 5/6 car service which had been filled to bursting with people standing in between seats. If there were 50 on the whole train after maidenhead id be gobsmacked.
So who's good at maths and estimating the Maidenhead passengers on board?? ;)


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: grahame on November 04, 2014, 19:11:20
To put things in context I walked the full length of the 5/6 car service which had been filled to bursting with people standing in between seats. If there were 50 on the whole train after maidenhead id be gobsmacked.

Logically, that leads to some very interesting thoughts ... if there's empty seats beyond [name place] on the trip out from London, why not split the train and send the extra carriages back to strengthen another train - resulting in more seats out of London.    I know I'm going to get shot down on time taken to split and join trains, line capacity issues, ... but it's an interesting thought.  And perhaps something that will be borne in mind for whole trains rather than just parts of them come service recasts/


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Timmer on November 04, 2014, 19:27:20

The train I was on had working air-con.. finally.. just in time for winter  ::) ::)
Good for stopping the windows getting steamed up so you can see out of them  ;)...I'll get my coat.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 20:03:07
NickB - after lots of fruitless searching I think I did a search on @FGW and then selected photos.. or something.. it's not easy to find otherwise.. That is why I find twitter such hard work.  If I can find it again, and if it's appropriate to post it on here (does anyone know if it is?) I'll do so..


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: johoare on November 04, 2014, 20:22:39
I've just found it again.. It is now easier if you do a twitter search on @Nationalrailenq and then select pictures.. At the moment (if you have pictures shown in grid style) it is third row down on the left hand side


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on November 04, 2014, 22:20:23
Is this the image we are talking about:

https://twitter.com/ianpoulter99/status/529347939286921216/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ifHg-CMAAUm5D.jpg)

By the way, this isn't the Ian Poulter that likes to spoil good walks (after Mark Twain). Although from his Twitter profile he is quite sporty. Maybe he should have tried a bit of crowd surfing.

Thames Valley commuters. You have my sympathy.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 04, 2014, 22:43:56
Very busy indeed - though I've seen similar scenes at various stations over the years at times of disruption or major events.  The narrow stairwell at Maidenhead platform 1 doesn't help.  I can't see how a member of platform staff on the platform would have made one jot of difference though (other than to possibly try and divert a few more people out of the station via the car park - which is quite a long diversion if you're not going that way).


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on November 04, 2014, 23:22:24
I can't see how a member of platform staff on the platform would have made one jot of difference though (other than to possibly try and divert a few more people out of the station via the car park - which is quite a long diversion if you're not going that way).

Perhaps to supervise the dispatch and make sure the train departs without anyone having slipped between it and the platform, or perhaps (clothing/bag) trapped in a door, unnoticed by the driver?! These things do happen and I believe is one of the reasons why you see platform dispatchers on the Underground during the peaks.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on November 04, 2014, 23:34:38
Yes, on seeing that picture my concern was with the driver of the DOO Turbo.

Can't be nice to see that crowd on the monitor/mirror when preparing to depart. Fingers crossed and hope for the best?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 05, 2014, 01:02:00
Yes, on seeing that picture my concern was with the driver of the DOO Turbo.

Can't be nice to see that crowd on the monitor/mirror when preparing to depart. Fingers crossed and hope for the best?

As a driver who's responsible for the despatch you wait until you are 100% sure it's safe to depart, however long that takes.  I believe the train was stationary for three-and-a-half-minutes.  Maidenhead platform 1 has no mirrors or monitors, so you use the 'look back' method.  No fingers should ever be crossed.  Simple as that.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on November 05, 2014, 09:51:59
Yes, on seeing that picture my concern was with the driver of the DOO Turbo.

Can't be nice to see that crowd on the monitor/mirror when preparing to depart. Fingers crossed and hope for the best?

As a driver who's responsible for the despatch you wait until you are 100% sure it's safe to depart, however long that takes.  I believe the train was stationary for three-and-a-half-minutes.  Maidenhead platform 1 has no mirrors or monitors, so you use the 'look back' method.  No fingers should ever be crossed.  Simple as that.

Surely an extra pair of eyes or two on the platform would make that job easier and more watertight from a safety perspective?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: BBM on November 05, 2014, 10:37:24
Yes, on seeing that picture my concern was with the driver of the DOO Turbo.

Can't be nice to see that crowd on the monitor/mirror when preparing to depart. Fingers crossed and hope for the best?

As a driver who's responsible for the despatch you wait until you are 100% sure it's safe to depart, however long that takes.  I believe the train was stationary for three-and-a-half-minutes.  Maidenhead platform 1 has no mirrors or monitors, so you use the 'look back' method.  No fingers should ever be crossed.  Simple as that.

Surely an extra pair of eyes or two on the platform would make that job easier and more watertight from a safety perspective?

I've used that exit from platform 1 on a few occasions when changing from a fast service not stopping at Twyford (TWY) over to a stopper from platform 3. It really does strike me as being a cheap stop-gap solution and surely something better is now needed if that platform now gets much more regular use these days.

On the subject of overcrowding photos on Twitter, a user called Janine Giovanni posted the below picture last night on FGW's timeline. She didn't give the location but I believe it might have been at Ealing Broadway, there were a few angry tweets last night from people with extended waits for Down trains there at around 1845-1915, some were saying they were unable to board trains.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1nuSgNIcAAXqM9.jpg)

EDIT: Apologies, forgot to include the link: https://twitter.com/janinegiovanni/status/529716434814119936/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/janinegiovanni/status/529716434814119936/photo/1)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Western Enterprise on November 05, 2014, 11:26:45

Surely an extra pair of eyes or two on the platform would make that job easier and more watertight from a safety perspective?

There have been occasions when a member of staff(s) has been on the platform and asked people to keep behind the yellow line, obviously to help dispatch. Don^t know what happened this time, perhaps too interested in checking tickets at turnstiles^.  :(
Being held up for 3 minutes on the down fast (plus deceleration and acceleration) is going to have lots of re-percussions further ^up^ the line.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: JayMac on November 05, 2014, 12:02:33
Apologies if my 'Fingers crossed' comment came across as flippant. Not my intention.

With it being the 'look back' method I'd be even more concerned about DOO when a platform is that crowded. What does the driver do? Keep looking back until the whole train is clear of the platform and not look forward? Or switch between craning his neck out and checking the line ahead? Or just, after doors closed and interlocked, watch the road ahead?



Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 05, 2014, 12:11:24
Apologies if my 'Fingers crossed' comment came across as flippant. Not my intention.

With it being the 'look back' method I'd be even more concerned about DOO when a platform is that crowded. What does the driver do? Keep looking back until the whole train is clear of the platform and not look forward? Or switch between craning his neck out and checking the line ahead? Or just, after doors closed and interlocked, watch the road ahead?

I can tell you what did happen, as I was walking towards the driver away from the crowds and towards the carpark.
Doors shut, driver window closed.  Away.  Definitely 200+ people still on platform, and definitely the wrong side of the yellow in large numbers.
I don't know what the driver could have done differently without holding up the line for >10mins.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: chrisr_75 on November 05, 2014, 12:52:57
Apologies if my 'Fingers crossed' comment came across as flippant. Not my intention.

With it being the 'look back' method I'd be even more concerned about DOO when a platform is that crowded. What does the driver do? Keep looking back until the whole train is clear of the platform and not look forward? Or switch between craning his neck out and checking the line ahead? Or just, after doors closed and interlocked, watch the road ahead?

I can tell you what did happen, as I was walking towards the driver away from the crowds and towards the carpark.
Doors shut, driver window closed.  Away.  Definitely 200+ people still on platform, and definitely the wrong side of the yellow in large numbers.
I don't know what the driver could have done differently without holding up the line for >10mins.

In my opinion waiting until everyone on the platform was safely clear of the train, even if it causes a delay would've been the right thing to do, especially without any assistance from platform staff. A small delay of 10 mins or so has to be better than someone not going home. The driver should not, under any circumstances whatsoever, be questioned on such a decision surrounding safety of passengers, staff, equipment or infrastructure, even if it results in his/her train and any other behind being delayed. The recent incident of a woman being trapped in a train door at Newcastle is a prime example of what can go wrong with train doors & when staff fail or are otherwise unable to complete their pre-departure checks correctly.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: NickB on November 05, 2014, 13:46:13
Yep.
I saw a number of people unable to disembark due to the whole platform being full.  They were directly in the doorways, already braced for the doors to close on them and shouting at passengers on the platform to make way to let them off before the doors closed.

TTBOMK they made it off eventually and didn't have to go to Twyford.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 05, 2014, 13:49:26
Absolutely correct, and at least one of the station staff should have been on the platform ensuring the safety of the dispatch, they must have known that this service was dangerously crush loaded and if the platform changed from 3 to 1 at short notice the driver should have waited until there was a member of staff on Platform 1 to make sure the situation was safe before opening the doors - knowing Maidenhead station as I do, staff can often be found congregating around the heater in the main entrance near the ticket gates.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on November 05, 2014, 14:04:17
And how, prey, would that staff member be able to check/help the driver?

They'd simply end up being another human in the crush, unable to see more than, and possibly less than, the driver.

I suggest that the driver ought to have waited for the platform to clear.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: stuving on November 05, 2014, 14:11:40
If the platform is too crowded for a train to start and very slowly leave, is it possible to safely run non-stop trains through it? Doesn't that have to wait for a much lower passenger density - at the very least least none in front of the line (depending on the line speed)? So the knock-on delay isn't going to be much if anything at all.


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 05, 2014, 15:24:27
And how, prey, would that staff member be able to check/help the driver?

They'd simply end up being another human in the crush, unable to see more than, and possibly less than, the driver.

I suggest that the driver ought to have waited for the platform to clear.

.......erm.....by standing by the Driver's cab and letting him know when the platform is clear? I'd suggest the delay is a price worth paying rather than someone ended up between the platform and the train?

As delays seem to be Business as usual for every other reason for the last 6 weeks I'm sure a few minutes could be tolerated for Safety? In my industry it comes above all else.

If FGW allows trains to depart in dangerously overcrowded conditions and  disgorges passengers onto similarly overcrowded/dangerous platforms then the onus is on them to ensure safety, not the passengers .


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 05, 2014, 16:18:46
Of some relevance here is the report from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch into the sad incident in Liverpool on 22 October 2011: see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9790.msg121102#msg121102


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: ChrisB on November 05, 2014, 16:34:33
I suggest that the driver ought to have waited for the platform to clear.

.......erm.....by standing by the Driver's cab and letting him know when the platform is clear? I'd suggest the delay is a price worth paying rather than someone ended up between the platform and the train?

Who said anything about no delay? Please read what I wrote above.

BUT - little purpose in him/her standing by the cab? Just as easy for the driver to look out frankly. Better further down the train ensuring that everyone has alighted that needs to & signal doors close?


Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 05, 2014, 20:10:11
    Apologies if my 'Fingers crossed' comment came across as flippant. Not my intention.

    With it being the 'look back' method I'd be even more concerned about DOO when a platform is that crowded. What does the driver do? Keep looking back until the whole train is clear of the platform and not look forward? Or switch between craning his neck out and checking the line ahead? Or just, after doors closed and interlocked, watch the road ahead?

    I can tell you what did happen, as I was walking towards the driver away from the crowds and towards the carpark.
    Doors shut, driver window closed.  Away.  Definitely 200+ people still on platform, and definitely the wrong side of the yellow in large numbers.
    I don't know what the driver could have done differently without holding up the line for >10mins.

    I suggest that the driver ought to have waited for the platform to clear.

    .......erm.....by standing by the Driver's cab and letting him know when the platform is clear? I'd suggest the delay is a price worth paying rather than someone ended up between the platform and the train?

    Who said anything about no delay? Please read what I wrote above.

    BUT - little purpose in him/her standing by the cab? Just as easy for the driver to look out frankly. Better further down the train ensuring that everyone has alighted that needs to & signal doors close?

    Interesting arguments coming forward on this one.  I'm with ChrisB and speak as someone who has self despatched my train at incredibly busy stations many, many times over the years.  My reasons are:
    • The procedure at Maidenhead is for a driver to self despatch.  If you then start altering that arrangement ad-hoc then you run the risk of not coming to a clear understanding with those staff members on the platform who are trying to help.  Does a wave of an arm from a member of staff two carriages away mean it's ok to leave, or does it mean there's a mother and pushchair about to try and alight from those doors?
    • Personally, I find a 'look back' dispatch is often better than using the mirrors which are open to glare, distortion, misting up etc. - and when you're looking back from the drivers cab your eye-line is pretty much perfectly in line with the doors, so if you can see the back of the train you know it's clear.  The view from a mirror is not so in line.  Having platform staff turn up and get in the way of that view can be a hindrance.  Having them stand by the cab means they have no better view than the driver does.

    However, assuming NickB's observations are accurate (though I'd be amazed if it took more than ten minutes for the platform to clear as he suggest), then despite the driver despatching using the correct procedure (once you have 'door interlock' you then concentrate on what's in front rather than behind as you depart) if the platform was as congested as in the picture then he/she was foolish to depart.  You wait until it's clear enough that you're confident it's safe to depart, however long that takes.

    There will always be some form of risk at the 'platform/train interface', and whether, as trains get busier and busier, the despatch procedures at Maidenhead need to be looked into is another matter, but for me there is a far greater risk from passengers standing close to the edge as a fast train rushes through at Maidenhead, than there is on a train departing which passengers know is there because they've alighted from it.[/list]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 05, 2014, 20:44:56
    How about someone looking out of the rear cab window to see the train away safely, with the option of stopping the train in an emergency...?  ;) :-X


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 05, 2014, 20:45:46
    As someone who has self despatched at Maidenhead with that service from platform 1 previously it doesn't take that long for passengers to filter off the platform enough for you to safely despatch the train.
    Maidenhead you have quite a good view of the whole length of the train.  I will personally self despatch the train once I have a clear view of the whole length of the train for 20-30 seconds.  By a clear view I mean the width 2 people.  The width of 2 people for the entire length of the train ensures that everyone has alighted the train.  
    What you tend to find is that passengers alighting first tend to by in a hurry for whatever reason and will jostle and brush alongside the train.  Those that alight last tend to calmly wait and filter off the platform and not come into contact with the train.
    However, I'm in the school that will look back until the entire length of the train has cleared the platform where I consider it safe enough to do so.  I do this at every platform where the signal is displaying a green and there are no track workers, foot crossings etc in front of the train.
    To shut the doors and then shut your drivers window in my opinion is dangerous.  In that time any incident could of happened on the platform, you should always look back until, at the very least, the train starts moving.  Leaving your drivers window down as well increases the chances of you hearing any shouts to stop should anything happen.  
    Platform staff have no ability to stop a train once it starts to move as highlighted on the underground in the last few weeks when someone got their scarf trapped in the doors of a tube train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 05, 2014, 20:54:58
    If there were to be a second pair of eyes, rather than platform staff how about a guard?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 05, 2014, 20:58:32
    If there were to be a second pair of eyes, rather than platform staff how about a guard?

    Every passenger train should have a guard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 05, 2014, 21:40:42
    As someone who has self despatched at Maidenhead with that service from platform 1 previously it doesn't take that long for passengers to filter off the platform enough for you to safely despatch the train.

    You describe the safety model perfectly, and say why we should have guards, A train with nearly a thousand souls aboard, many of whom will turn up as the doors are closing and try to get on board as if their very life depended on it, is a serious responsibility. You describe also the profit model. The true balance must be  found between the two.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 05, 2014, 23:03:26
    Very different dynamics but you get trains with 1000+ people on board and no guard, hour after hour, day after day, on the Underground.

    Into the next decade TfL may introduce driverless trains on LU lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 06, 2014, 16:01:40
    Very different dynamics but you get trains with 1000+ people on board and no guard, hour after hour, day after day, on the Underground.

    Into the next decade TfL may introduce driverless trains on LU lines.

    Driverless, with a 'Captain/Guard'  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 06, 2014, 16:21:32
    Very different dynamics but you get trains with 1000+ people on board and no guard, hour after hour, day after day, on the Underground.

    Into the next decade TfL may introduce driverless trains on LU lines.

    Driverless, with a 'Captain/Guard'  ;)

    Am I right in thinking that one of the LU lines (may be Victoria?) has trains which are potentially driverless already? Or was this just something Bob Crow (RIP) used as an excuse for a strike?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 06, 2014, 16:30:38
    I don't think the trains are, but there are LU lines that can operate GOO trains (Guard Only Operation  ;)).

    TfL have always said there will always be a member of staff on-board regardless, so all this "driverless" hype that TfL put out is moot really.  I believe the next generation would be the first train that could run without an Operator at the "wheel" (cab will be there, but could be removed at later date).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 06, 2014, 16:55:48
    It's the Victoria Line - as I understand it, the driver opens/closes doors and sets the train underway. The computer then takes it to the next station....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 06, 2014, 18:02:45
    It's the Victoria Line - as I understand it, the driver opens/closes doors and sets the train underway. The computer then takes it to the next station....

    And the Jubilee, Northern and Central Lines I think.  Though the driver still 'drives' the train should the system have problems and to retain their knowledge of how to do so should there be problems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on November 06, 2014, 18:51:19
    I was on the 17.49 tonight.. It was no busier or quieter than usual though I've seen it a lot worse.

    Realtime trains show the train arriving at 18.07 and a quarter.. The last passenger (me) left the plaftorm at exactly 18.11.. I'm not sure at which point the arrival time is calculated from so assuming it's as the front of the train comes into the platform, a good guess would be 3 minutes for platform 1 to clear..

    Therefore looking at the picture from the other day (compared with today) NickB's estimate of ten minutes probably wasn't too far out


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 06, 2014, 22:43:06
    I stand vindicated!  ;) It was meant as an estimate of how long 600 people would take to leave plat1 in single file (which it is, with the bends).



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 07, 2014, 12:37:05
    I stand vindicated!  ;) It was meant as an estimate of how long 600 people would take to leave plat1 in single file (which it is, with the bends).

    I'd have a guess at 6-7 minutes myself having watched many a busy train decamp from there.  Unless of course there's another issue which causes delay, for example someone falling on the steps.  I guess we'll have to wait until similar circumstances apply again and get someone down there with a stopwatch!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on November 07, 2014, 14:49:05
    I stand vindicated!  ;) It was meant as an estimate of how long 600 people would take to leave plat1 in single file (which it is, with the bends).

    I'd have a guess at 6-7 minutes myself having watched many a busy train decamp from there.  Unless of course there's another issue which causes delay, for example someone falling on the steps.  I guess we'll have to wait until similar circumstances apply again and get someone down there with a stopwatch!

    Another issue can be a sudden change of platform, say from relief to main.
    Suddenly, lots of people trying to go upstairs, lots of people trying to go downstairs! ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on November 07, 2014, 15:17:43
    which is exactly what happened to this train.. To be honest if you're not already on the platform before the train arrives and starts emptying you don't get much of a chance to get up the steps against the flow of people


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 07, 2014, 15:45:03
    which is exactly what happened to this train.. To be honest if you're not already on the platform before the train arrives and starts emptying you don't get much of a chance to get up the steps against the flow of people

    Looking to the future, with the extensive rebuild of Maidenhead station just starting, it looks as if alterations to the current stairwell may be included:

    'The eastern subway will be extended southwards to platform 1 and new stair and lift access will be provided from it to all Crossrail platforms; passive provision will be made for a lift to platform 1.'

    Now, until the extension of the route to Reading, you could probably say that Maidenhead's platform 1 would not come under the description of a 'Crossrail platform' as described above.  Whether that has now altered as Platform 1 may now be used by Crossrail trains heading to Reading I'm not sure?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 07, 2014, 15:58:23
    Way back it was said that all main line platforms between London and Maidenhead would be made available for Crossrail Whether that is the current plan I don't know. Especialy regarding Taplow. Presuambly Platform 1 at Maidenehad would require extending to accept Crossrail. It was also why the Mains were to be electrified from Hayes to Maidenehad as well to give the operational flexibilty to use the mains and their associated platforms in times of perturbation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 07, 2014, 17:39:01
    Way back it was said that all main line platforms between London and Maidenhead would be made available for Crossrail Whether that is the current plan I don't know. Especialy regarding Taplow. Presuambly Platform 1 at Maidenehad would require extending to accept Crossrail. It was also why the Mains were to be electrified from Hayes to Maidenehad as well to give the operational flexibilty to use the mains and their associated platforms in times of perturbation.
    The plan shows a small extension to platforms 2&3, but 1 and 4&5 apparently don't need one. All would need extending if the trains are lengthened to the maximum 240m. The "7-day railway" requirement won't have gone away.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 08, 2014, 13:14:02
    Way back it was said that all main line platforms between London and Maidenhead would be made available for Crossrail Whether that is the current plan I don't know. Especialy regarding Taplow. Presuambly Platform 1 at Maidenehad would require extending to accept Crossrail. It was also why the Mains were to be electrified from Hayes to Maidenehad as well to give the operational flexibilty to use the mains and their associated platforms in times of perturbation.
    The plan shows a small extension to platforms 2&3, but 1 and 4&5 apparently don't need one. All would need extending if the trains are lengthened to the maximum 240m. The "7-day railway" requirement won't have gone away.

    Come to think of it, P1&2 at Maidenhead is exactly where extending to Reading might alter the plan - so what was published may not be relevant any more. There is no way from P1&2 to the reversing sidings at Maidenhead, so they could not be used for a "2T" service over the Mains. (Or not unless P1&2 were used for Crossrail turn-round, which sound unlikely when a "full" Sunday service is also using them.) If this 2T operation has to be extended to Reading, then maybe P1 has to be extended after all. Currently its operational length (ignoring DOO visibility) is 177 m, against 198 for P2&3 and 205 m for P4&5.

    Going by those plans, the interpretation of 7-day or 2T capability is that existing platforms an all tracks will be extended to 205 m, but not where that have no P1 and not at some at minor stations (e.g. Iver) that do. But then the plans are not the final word (or picture).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 08, 2014, 13:23:49
    Come to think of it, P1&2 at Maidenhead is exactly where extending to Reading might alter the plan - so what was published may not be relevant any more. There is no way from P1&2 to the reversing sidings at Maidenhead, so they could not be used for a "2T" service over the Mains.

    Yes, that's what I was getting at.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 13, 2014, 09:04:49
    I'm not sure what was going on this morning with signalling.
    There were major delays to services through Bramley due to a signalling problem.
    But then significant delays to London bound services passing through Reading both in arrival time at Reading and then slow running all the way in.
    There was some mention of track circuit failure and general congestion all the way in but I don't see any specific mention.
    I was a good 45 minutes late for the second day running.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 13, 2014, 13:53:42
    There were major delays to services through Bramley due to a signalling problem.

    Suggest the updater updates the update:
    Delays between Basingstoke and Reading expected until 18:00        Last updated 13:50
    A signalling problem near Bramley is causing delays of up to 30 minutes between Basingstoke and Reading. This is expected to continue until 13:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 17, 2014, 21:07:38
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 18, 2014, 06:03:00
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.

    ...........I would imagine that a few people at FGW are looking nervously over their shoulders then judging by recent performance around cancellations/delays/short formations/dangerous overcrowding due to  train faults, staff "not available" etc!  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 18, 2014, 07:19:30
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.

    ...........I would imagine that a few people at FGW are looking nervously over their shoulders then judging by recent performance around cancellations/delays/short formations/dangerous overcrowding due to  train faults, staff "not available" etc!  ;)

    I doubt it. FGW are in the same boat as Northern, FTPE, Anglia, London Midland and one or two others and can easily justify the reason. Not enough trains.
    Should a manager leave a position they will easily get another job with another TOC or go into consultancy where there is significantly more money.
    Whilst passengers continually point the finger of blame at the TOC the DfT the aren't going to take a blind bit of notice.  This afterall, is what they wanted from rail privatisation.  They knew it would cost a fortune to modernise so effectively washed their hands of it only taking an interest in bashing TOCs when a general election is close to win a few extra votes.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 18, 2014, 19:25:34
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.

    ...........I would imagine that a few people at FGW are looking nervously over their shoulders then judging by recent performance around cancellations/delays/short formations/dangerous overcrowding due to  train faults, staff "not available" etc!  ;)

    I doubt it. FGW are in the same boat as Northern, FTPE, Anglia, London Midland and one or two others and can easily justify the reason. Not enough trains.
    Should a manager leave a position they will easily get another job with another TOC or go into consultancy where there is significantly more money.
    Whilst passengers continually point the finger of blame at the TOC the DfT the aren't going to take a blind bit of notice.  This afterall, is what they wanted from rail privatisation.  They knew it would cost a fortune to modernise so effectively washed their hands of it only taking an interest in bashing TOCs when a general election is close to win a few extra votes.



    Up to a point, yes, but the constant blaming of DFT/NR etc does come across a bit like Laurel blaming Hardy...........FGW are responsible for maintaining their trains and ensuring that their staff attend work as far as I know, not sure how train failures, pathetic levels of communication, leaving passengers stranded without information for hours, staff unavailability etc can be blamed on other agencies?

    Passengers point the finger at the TOC because they pay the TOC a great deal of money to provide a service, and it is with the TOC that they have a contract......the fact that FGWs supply chain/infrastructure partners/contractors have problems of their own is for FGW to address. it is of precisely zero interest to the customer with whom they have a contract........however as they get oodles of cash from Network Rail (NR) in respect of their own failures, with only a tiny proportion being returned to fare paying passengers in compensation is hardly a strong motivation to do so I guess.

    The concept of taking it on the jaw when things go wrong and not blaming others is not something which comes easily to the TOCs/Railway industry it seems.

    If First Great Western (FGW) were seen to be addressing these issues with Network Rail (NR) (especially the recent signalling farces throughout October) in a robust and highly visible way it would help their case, however Mr Hopwood seems to be doing a good impression of the invisible man.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 18, 2014, 20:29:52
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.

    ...........I would imagine that a few people at FGW are looking nervously over their shoulders then judging by recent performance around cancellations/delays/short formations/dangerous overcrowding due to  train faults, staff "not available" etc!  ;)

    I doubt it. FGW are in the same boat as Northern, FTPE, Anglia, London Midland and one or two others and can easily justify the reason. Not enough trains.
    Should a manager leave a position they will easily get another job with another TOC or go into consultancy where there is significantly more money.
    Whilst passengers continually point the finger of blame at the TOC the DfT the aren't going to take a blind bit of notice.  This afterall, is what they wanted from rail privatisation.  They knew it would cost a fortune to modernise so effectively washed their hands of it only taking an interest in bashing TOCs when a general election is close to win a few extra votes.



    Up to a point, yes, but the constant blaming of DFT/NR etc does come across a bit like Laurel blaming Hardy...........FGW are responsible for maintaining their trains and ensuring that their staff attend work as far as I know, not sure how train failures, pathetic levels of communication, leaving passengers stranded without information for hours, staff unavailability etc can be blamed on other agencies?

     ::)

    Surely the only person responsible for ensuring a member of staff attends work is the member of staff themselves?

    You make the "staff unavailability" comment on a regular basis every time you get on your anti-FGW soapbox.  Just to reassure you, there are not endless numbers of rail staff who cannot be bothered to attend work.

    It could be unavailable due to a simple rostering error, it could be unavailable due to the disruption stranding the staff needed for the specific service (especially if specific traction/route knowledge is required.)  There are normally "cover/standby" staff that can be dispatched at a moments notice to cover late running drivers [of course you wouldn't know this as it's seemless!]...or what about drivers who require a break -- while i'm sure a late service would irritate you if the driver was sat having a cup of tea, surely this is preferable to him being forced to ignore his legal break requirements and have a safety related incident?

    At what point do you want ticket prices to rise even further to cover a large pool of drivers to sit around all day watching tv, only required if Network Rail screw up the infrastructure?

    General shortage of drivers?  FGW has had their biggest ever driver recruitment programme running in the past 24 months.

    Yes, there are occasions where all available cover staff options have been exhausted, and someone oversleeps/goes sick last minute (do you want a sick driver in charge of your safety?), and so the blame is square on the operational staff, but this is not a regular occurrence and it really does not justify the number of times you make your swipe at "staff availability".

    I've said it once and i'll say it again, staff try to do their best, whether it's at the station, on-board or just by posting on here.  There are bad apples, which applies to every company, in every industry.

    There is not one member of railway staff that is happy with the LTV area performance and it hurts many of us that we are physically unable to provide the service customers pay hard earned money for, but remember we're not here just to take endless pot-shots from you.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 19, 2014, 06:09:14
    Quote

    Blimey that all sounds rather dramatic! What does it take to make a signal fall over?

    Glad I came back from Plymouth yesterday! (on the 1510 from Plymouth, which was only 5 minutes late into Reading!!!)  :D

    A total lack of maintenance and abysmal management by Network Rail, yet the DfT continue to allow it to happen.  If a train operator performed this badly their franchise would have been stripped by now.

    ...........I would imagine that a few people at FGW are looking nervously over their shoulders then judging by recent performance around cancellations/delays/short formations/dangerous overcrowding due to  train faults, staff "not available" etc!  ;)

    I doubt it. FGW are in the same boat as Northern, FTPE, Anglia, London Midland and one or two others and can easily justify the reason. Not enough trains.
    Should a manager leave a position they will easily get another job with another TOC or go into consultancy where there is significantly more money.
    Whilst passengers continually point the finger of blame at the TOC the DfT the aren't going to take a blind bit of notice.  This afterall, is what they wanted from rail privatisation.  They knew it would cost a fortune to modernise so effectively washed their hands of it only taking an interest in bashing TOCs when a general election is close to win a few extra votes.



    Up to a point, yes, but the constant blaming of DFT/NR etc does come across a bit like Laurel blaming Hardy...........FGW are responsible for maintaining their trains and ensuring that their staff attend work as far as I know, not sure how train failures, pathetic levels of communication, leaving passengers stranded without information for hours, staff unavailability etc can be blamed on other agencies?

     ::)

    Surely the only person responsible for ensuring a member of staff attends work is the member of staff themselves?

    You make the "staff unavailability" comment on a regular basis every time you get on your anti-FGW soapbox.  Just to reassure you, there are not endless numbers of rail staff who cannot be bothered to attend work.

    It could be unavailable due to a simple rostering error, it could be unavailable due to the disruption stranding the staff needed for the specific service (especially if specific traction/route knowledge is required.)  There are normally "cover/standby" staff that can be dispatched at a moments notice to cover late running drivers [of course you wouldn't know this as it's seemless!]...or what about drivers who require a break -- while i'm sure a late service would irritate you if the driver was sat having a cup of tea, surely this is preferable to him being forced to ignore his legal break requirements and have a safety related incident?

    At what point do you want ticket prices to rise even further to cover a large pool of drivers to sit around all day watching tv, only required if Network Rail screw up the infrastructure?

    General shortage of drivers?  FGW has had their biggest ever driver recruitment programme running in the past 24 months.

    Yes, there are occasions where all available cover staff options have been exhausted, and someone oversleeps/goes sick last minute (do you want a sick driver in charge of your safety?), and so the blame is square on the operational staff, but this is not a regular occurrence and it really does not justify the number of times you make your swipe at "staff availability".

    I've said it once and i'll say it again, staff try to do their best, whether it's at the station, on-board or just by posting on here.  There are bad apples, which applies to every company, in every industry.

    There is not one member of railway staff that is happy with the LTV area performance and it hurts many of us that we are physically unable to provide the service customers pay hard earned money for, but remember we're not here just to take endless pot-shots from you.

    Impressive rhetoric definitely, using a number of paragraphs to selectively address about eight words of what I said, and some things I didn't even mention!

    Sorry if I touched a nerve, this is fundamentally about TOCs (not just FGW) taking responsibility for providing a service that is reliable and fit for purpose, and not just falling back on blaming other agencies when things go wrong - as I implied before, some high visibility action in terms of addressing issues around signalling etc would help, not just guff from Hopwood about "signalling" to NR that their performance isn't good enough.

    I wasn't taking "Pot shots" at individuals so no need to be defensive, FGW/TOC need to take proactive ownership of issues within their control and spheres of influence rather than giving the appearance of being content to lie back and take it (so to speak) which is what enrages their customers at the moment.

    Vague promises about things getting better years in the future is not really good enough when you're standing on a wet, overcrowded platform with no information or help available I'm afraid.

    Anyway "amen" from me on this and have a good, delay free day all!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2014, 08:37:10
    High-visibility".....so YouTube video then of an argument?

    Get real.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 19, 2014, 09:28:17
    Vague promises about things getting better years in the future is not really good enough when you're standing on a wet, overcrowded platform with no information or help available I'm afraid.

    Yes, I agree completely and I'm amazed that Mark Hopwood appears to be lying down and accepting the amount of rain over the last few weeks.  Weather provider, Mother Nature, really needs to sort her act out.  Mr. Hopwood should 'grow some' and publicly demand action from this elusive Mrs. Nature, or at the very least personally cough up some money to install great big buckets in the sky above his stations to catch all this unnecessary water.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 19, 2014, 10:32:08

    Impressive rhetoric definitely, using a number of paragraphs to selectively address about eight words of what I said, and some things I didn't even mention!

    Sorry if I touched a nerve, this is fundamentally about TOCs (not just FGW) taking responsibility for providing a service that is reliable and fit for purpose, and not just falling back on blaming other agencies when things go wrong - as I implied before, some high visibility action in terms of addressing issues around signalling etc would help, not just guff from Hopwood about "signalling" to NR that their performance isn't good enough.

    I wasn't taking "Pot shots" at individuals so no need to be defensive, FGW/TOC need to take proactive ownership of issues within their control and spheres of influence rather than giving the appearance of being content to lie back and take it (so to speak) which is what enrages their customers at the moment.

    Vague promises about things getting better years in the future is not really good enough when you're standing on a wet, overcrowded platform with no information or help available I'm afraid.

    Anyway "amen" from me on this and have a good, delay free day all!

    The reason I take issue with eight or so words, is you make the staff "unavailable" dig on a regular basis.  I'm not saying you are targeting anyone individually, but yes you do touch a nerve, as most front-line rail staff feel they belong to an extended family.

    I've given you a number of reasons as to why the delay reason "a member of train crew being unavailable" is used, and it really is extremely rare that "oh they just didn't turn up, sorry train cancelled/delayed".

    As the service provider, then yes customers will look to FGW as the one to blame regardless of cause.  The fact that you are on this board shows you want/have a greater understanding of how the railway run and hopefully by now understand no matter how much Mr. Hopwood goes shouting to NR and the DfT, ultimately, FGW have to just deal with the infrastructure they are provided.

    Are FGW blameless?  Of course not, but decisions are made with the best of intentions to recover the wider service and karma/mother nature/stuff happens and turns it all on its head.  Maintenance schedules can be followed to the T, but breakdowns can still happen.  With infrastructure issues, we take the hits anyway, because as was pointed out a few posts back the DfT love the situation - they can control the railway, and the TOCs get all the blame.

    I personally believe no matter how much Mr. Hopwood and the NR Route Director stand up and say their usual pieces, that there is something very much broken in the NR/TOC relationship, which is no doubt replicated across the National network and ultimately does not provide the service for the passengers that we as front-line staff want and try to provide you everyday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 19, 2014, 10:51:25
    High-vuisibility".....so YouTube vuideo then of an argument?

    Get real.


    Vague promises about things getting better years in the future is not really good enough when you're standing on a wet, overcrowded platform with no information or help available I'm afraid.


    Yes, I agree completely and I'm amazed that Mark Hopwood appears to be lying down and accepting the amount of rain over the last few weeks.  Weather provider, Mother Nature, really needs to sort her act out.  Mr. Hopwood should 'grow some' and publicly demand action from this elusive Mrs. Nature, or at the very least personally cough up some money to install great big buckets in the sky above his stations to catch all this unnecessary water.



    It's a shame that what was a decent if heated discussion has to be reduced to childish sarcasm by a few.....I may not wholly agree with what you say and lack your knowledge of the intricacies of the railway system however I do at least respect your opinons, and am a fare paying customer so I think I am entitled to mine....

    Superguard thankyou for your response which attempts to explain the issues involved....on some issues we agree, on others we will have to agree to differ, I hope we can continue to do so in a civil manner.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2014, 10:57:33
    ....just as we are entitled to ours (of yours), eh?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 19, 2014, 11:01:32
    ....just as we are entitled to ours (of yours), eh?

    By all means, they are welcome, even more so if they can be expressed in a manner befitting an adult.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2014, 11:18:27
    But adults tend to want to understand/learn, rather than rant, surely? :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 19, 2014, 12:01:13
    I am ... delighted ... that our forum helps bring together people who are intricately linked in the system of rail travel as they move around by train (on one hand) and provide and operate the systems that allow and made the trains move around (on the other).   Far too often the world of the two groups seem far apart - and indeed, why should a passenger need to know about corroding signal posts, or a conductor need to know about a passenger's requirement to be on time to pick up a child from the childminder?  Perhaps there's no need, but it sure as heck helps us to understand each other, to be helpful and accommodating both ways where we could be needlessly and unintentionally awkward.  Alas, just occasionally frustration on one side or the other leads to a more robust discussion than is immediately useful.

    I'm a passenger - or I was.  I got involved in this stuff in the last decade, and the whole of this forum was based on the premise that 2 trains each way a day, pre-dawn and post-dark, with cancellation rated of 30% some weeks, wasn't appropriate for our town - it was hurtful economically in that it made the service useless, and I had a feeling that the service wasn't making money for the operator either. You'll find some robust and critical posts at the time, but the criticisms may have tended to have been of the operations that caused such problems, and not of the systems and politics and other things behind those operations which wasn't equipping them to succeed.

    Moving on ... I have learned a lot, so tend to be very much sympathetic and supportive of the rail industry in which most of the staff are excellent, work their hearts out to do a good job, and especially here on this forum are going out of their way and beyond this duties to help the passenger.  Readers may suggest that the rail industry should be providing that customer support rather than leaving it to volunteers here - who deserve our huge thanks even if they bring bad news - but that lack of provision of this sort of forum is a subject for another day.

    We have come streets forward since the days that we started - 2007.  Better reliabiity came to the TransWilts within a couple of years, and a more appropriate service, all be it on a trial basis, in late 2013.   People say they're amazed how quick that was, which leaves me open-mouthed in shock, and should act as an alert to other passengers of just how long the updates to infrastructure will take before things truly get better.   Looking forward, there are good indicators that the community is to be more involved into the future - source, our Community Rail Officer designate who had a meeting up in London yesterday.   It won't make for instant change, but it may make for greater community involvement away from the more far-flung and smaller lines which have been traditional Community Rail territory.  But I'm going beyond this thread here.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 20, 2014, 07:21:09
    The 7.08 maidenhead to Paddington has broken down at slough on the fast line. Loss of air pressure to brakes.
    Ho hum.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 20, 2014, 07:36:09
    And we're moving again.
    TM had announced that the train would need to be emptied via the 1 door still in the platform at slough but fortunately that was avoided.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on November 20, 2014, 08:49:43
    Oh dear.. Realtime trains shows the train as finally arriving at Paddington 53 minutes late.. Looks like you got relegated to the slow relief line to be on the safe side  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on November 20, 2014, 09:40:17
    No CIS at Swindon ("Welcome to Swindon. Train information is currently unavailable." on most screens) and fallout damage from the earlier disruption meant good fun for commuters today... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 24, 2014, 06:51:32
    .....welcome to the new week folks!

    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

     :'(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 24, 2014, 07:20:11
    .....welcome to the new week folks!

    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

     :'(

    ..and between Bedwyn and Reading ....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 24, 2014, 07:32:34
    .....welcome to the new week folks!

    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

     :'(

    Which means "main line, some variations.   TransWilts - Cancellations"



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 24, 2014, 07:39:20
    .....welcome to the new week folks!

    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

     :'(

    ..and between Bedwyn and Reading ....

    Between Bedwyn and Reading is just an issue with the axle counters following completion of engineering works which should sort itself out after the first trains have gone through in both directions. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 24, 2014, 07:56:05
    ..and between Bedwyn and Reading ....

    Between Bedwyn and Reading is just an issue with the axle counters following completion of engineering works which should sort itself out after the first trains have gone through in both directions. 

    Perhaps not. JourneyCheck reports
        Due to signalling problems between Reading and Bedwyn trains have to run at reduced speed.
        Impact:
        Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
        Last Updated :24/11/2014 07:52


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 24, 2014, 07:59:19
    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Which means "main line, some variations.   TransWilts - Cancellations"

    Second Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham to Swindon cancelled too now - first train (perhaps?) the 09:48 from Westbury.  Occasional problems - understood, but ... this post feels like a well work record  :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 24, 2014, 08:18:16
    Now this, frankly bizarre, note on Journeycheck regarding the first southbound service.  (My highlighting)

    Quote
    05:17 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 
     
    This train has been delayed at Swindon by 85 minutes, has been further delayed at Chippenham and is now 93 minutes late.
    This train will be terminated at Middle Road Crossing.
    This train will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TeaStew on November 24, 2014, 08:56:17
    Due to signalling problems between Swindon and Bath Spa all lines are disrupted.
    Which means "main line, some variations.   TransWilts - Cancellations"

    Second Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham to Swindon cancelled too now - first train (perhaps?) the 09:48 from Westbury.  Occasional problems - understood, but ... this post feels like a well work record  :-[

    Yes. I called in the cavalry in the end (significant other) and went to Bradford. Not exaggeration to say it was freezing. Three minute calls to India did not really help matters.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2014, 11:03:40
    Delays to services between Newbury and Reading Due to signalling problems between Newbury and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some Reading bound lines.

    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 25 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.


    ..............sounds familiar?  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Silver on November 25, 2014, 11:42:49
    We can start the December thread on Monday.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 25, 2014, 12:22:13
    We can start the December thread on Monday.......

    Oh you Cynic and stop reading my mind :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2014, 15:09:03
    Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton the Reading bound relief line will be blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    .........a lot of cancellations/short formations due to train faults too

    .........looks like a miserable journey home (yet again)  :(


    ...........I would suggest getting the December thread set up now......together with January, February, March etc etc

    (By the way it's being so cheerful that keeps me going!!!)  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 25, 2014, 16:38:26
    Can we remember to record whose ownership each fault lies with when pisting them here?

    I reckon its close to a 90/10% split in favour of Network Rail (NR), but to be sure we need to record the ownership

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 25, 2014, 17:38:07
    Can we remember to record whose ownership each fault lies with when pisting them here?

    Officer Crabtree is alive and well.  ;D

    The information on fault ownership is available via links from the First Great Western website. One doesn't need to guess a percentage split or record it here. There's also a daily list of main disruption reasons covering the previous three days.

    https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Our-business/Performance
    http://www.firstgroup.com/uktrain/kpi/gw/recent-performance.php (recent)
    http://www.firstgroup.com/uktrain/kpi/gw/ (daily)

    In the past 12 months delay minute responsibility has been:

    63.47% Network Rail
    24.43% First Great Western
    12.11% Other TOCs

    In the past 12 months full cancellation responsibility has been:

    67.68% Network Rail
    27.82% First Great Western
    4.5% Other TOCs

    Somewhat shy of a 90/10% split.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 25, 2014, 17:40:56
    Clicking on the middle link on an iphone, the web page is blank


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 25, 2014, 17:56:19
    Clicking on the middle link on an iphone, the web page is blank

    I don't use Apple products so can't suggest a workaround. However, the figures from that middle link on delay attribution are the ones I reproduced in my previous post.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 25, 2014, 18:06:18
    I've never seen the delay minutes before, I knew Network Rail were useless but not to the tune of 855,228 delay minutes over the last 12 months.  That's disgusting. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 25, 2014, 18:26:03
    I presume that that figure is in train delay minutes and not passenger delay minutes? What figure would you get if you multiplied the figure by the number of passengers affected?
    It would probably account for >1% of GDP!!  ??? :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2014, 18:48:19
    Really interesting figures - thanks BNM.

    So whilst Network Rail (NR) "cause" the majority of delays/cancellation, it's by a ratio of roughly 2:1 compared to FGW/Other TOCs.

    Judging by the expert comment on here most of the time, I had got the impression that it was more like 10:1

    The cost to the economy overall if you extrapolate these delays/cancellations must be phenomenal.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 25, 2014, 19:01:03
    I assume these are the standard internal attributions of delay minutes, so Network Rail (NR) carry the can for all those external causes that can be excluded from compensation. So that includes severe weather, external fires, fatalities, trespass, trees on the line, etc. etc. '

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on November 25, 2014, 19:28:50
    Clicking on the middle link on an iphone, the web page is blank

    It's a lovely Adobe flash application. Which, unfortunately, is not supported on any Apple devices.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 25, 2014, 21:13:37
    I assume these are the standard internal attributions of delay minutes, so NR carry the can for all those external causes that can be excluded from compensation. So that includes severe weather, external fires, fatalities, trespass, trees on the line, etc. etc.

    Fatalities, no.  It depends on the circumstances and location as to who picks up the delay minutes.

    Really interesting figures - thanks BNM.

    So whilst NR "cause" the majority of delays/cancellation, it's by a ratio of roughly 2:1 compared to FGW/Other TOCs.

    Judging by the expert comment on here most of the time, I had got the impression that it was more like 10:1

    The cost to the economy overall if you extrapolate these delays/cancellations must be phenomenal.

    It would be interesting to know if they could pinpoint those delay minutes to a certain geographical area ie. the amount of NR & FGW delay minutes on the stretch between Paddington to Reading.
    As for the figures, nationally Network Rail account for 62% of all delay minutes.  http://www.networkrail.co.uk/about/performance/
    Some more interesting figures provided by Network Rail especially if you download the sub-operator performance which breaks down punctuality between High Speed, LTV and West.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2014, 23:19:02
    From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11622916.Rail_company_offers_refund_after_delays/):

    Quote
    Rail company offers refund after delays

    (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/resources/images/2478898.jpg?htype=227&display=1&type=mc2)
    Rail company offers refund after delays

    First published 08:00 Tuesday 25 November 2014 in News
    Last updated 09:58 Tuesday 25 November 2014

    First Great Western has announced a full refund for some commuters who experienced severe disruption last month.

    On Monday, October 6, a signalling problem between Slough and West Drayton caused major delays and cancellations to services from Oxford to London Paddington.

    The rail operator apologised and said its services ^fell well below^ acceptable standards. It promised a full refund for monthly and annual season ticket holders.

    Season ticket holders can redeem the cost of travel as a cash refund at their local ticket office or as a one-day extension when they renew their ticket.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 25, 2014, 23:46:51
    I assume these are the standard internal attributions of delay minutes, so NR carry the can for all those external causes that can be excluded from compensation. So that includes severe weather, external fires, fatalities, trespass, trees on the line, etc. etc.

    Fatalities, no.  It depends on the circumstances and location as to who picks up the delay minutes.

    So it does: in the delay Attribution Guide the distinction is whether the incident is recorded as happening on the track (even in a station) or on a platform. I'd guess most are on the track so NR's. 

    There's another breakdown: the ORR's - which is not terribly helpful. For FGW, 2013-2014, this gives:
    External  111736.5 
    Network Management / Other  225431 
    Non-Track Assets  237929.9 
    Severe Weather, Autumn, & Structures  212239.1 
    Track  62042.3 
    NR-on-TOC Total  849378.9 
    TOC-on-Self Total  334010.9 
    TOC-on-TOC Total  142066.2 
    First Great Western Total  1325456 

    Of course that's only delay minutes - up to 30 minutes late maximum, I think. Over that it counts under "cancelled and significantly late". There are ORR figures for that, but I can't make a lot of sense of them. For FGW, in quarters, it did go up to 4.6% in 2014Q1, but was higher on several previous occasions - including 4.8% in 2012Q4, 7.0% in 2002Q4, and 8.8% in 2000Q4. Of course East Coast was much worse at those last two times - like 15.6% and 25.6%. Ah, the good old days ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 26, 2014, 09:37:38
    I think all this has been brought sharply into focus by the recent dramatic deterioration in performance, attributable to both NR & FGW, it would be interesting to know (other than the odd grunt cutting through a cable) if any proper analysis has taken place to establish exactly why this is happening, and hence the title of this thread, to which December will shortly have to be added if current "form" is maintained!  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 26, 2014, 10:07:02
    I'm sure FGW have done this internally & probably talking to Network Rail (NR) constantly

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 26, 2014, 10:13:13
    I use this site to check the performance of the services I normally use.  Sometimes very depressing reading  :P
    http://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 26, 2014, 10:14:57
    I'm sure FGW have done this internally & probably talking to NR constantly

    I fear it's worse than that. I am sure Network Rail (NR) have devoted a great amount of engineering management and planning effort to the parallel signalling/electrification/other works programmes, specifically to ensure this kind of self-inflicted damage does not happen. But it does. So there must be something wrong with the linkage between knowing what and how to do it and actually doing it that way. Or - which is not quite the same - writing your plan on the assumption something can be done this way, when in reality (at night at trackside in too little time and without the right staff) it can't.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 26, 2014, 11:57:37
    I use this site to check the performance of the services I normally use.  Sometimes very depressing reading  :P
    http://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/

    Here is a (very bad) example of services I use (tried to post the actual table but couldn't work it out :P ):
    http://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/Home/Search?Op=Srch&Fr=Plymouth+%28PLY%29&To=Paddington+%28PAD%29&TimTyp=A&TimDay=8a&Days=Wk&TimPer=4w&dtFr=29%2F10%2F2014&dtTo=26%2F11%2F2014&ShwTim=AvAr&ShwAdv=ShwAdv&TOC=All&ArrSta=5&MetAvg=Mea&MetSpr=RT&MxScDu=&MxSvAg=10&MnScCt=2&MxArCl=8


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 26, 2014, 13:48:41
    Really interesting figures - thanks BNM.

    So whilst Network Rail (NR) "cause" the majority of delays/cancellation, it's by a ratio of roughly 2:1 compared to FGW/Other TOCs.

    Judging by the expert comment on here most of the time, I had got the impression that it was more like 10:1

    The cost to the economy overall if you extrapolate these delays/cancellations must be phenomenal.

    Here's some expert comment for you:

    A passenger has a medical emergency on board.  Ambulance is called, train is delayed along with several behind and onward knock on effects, while connections are held.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    A disabled passenger takes time to board a FGW train.  Train is delayed.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    A disabled passenger takes time to board a XC Voyager after being booked by XC in the middle of a busy coach.  Train is delayed.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW as it's their station, although XC may take a share.  Those minutes add up quickly if the delay happens at Plymouth and the train is bound for Aberdeen.

    A High Speed Train (HST) arrives and departs on-time.  However a passenger who overslept suddenly attempts to get off by pulling a pass-com.  Train is delayed.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    A High Speed Train (HST) starts to depart and a late passenger runs onto the platform and pulls a door "on-the-catch".  Train is stopped.  Door secured, needs re-dispatching etc.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    Exeter Chiefs are playing rugby at home.  Digby & Sowton Station has a sectional appendix requirement that states no train longer than 4 carriages may stop.  FGW put on 4 carriage trains all day and run the maximum number of trains that NR allow.  Delays still occur because moving thousands of fans will do that.  Root cause = Rugby match/passengers overcrowding.  Delay blame = FGW.

    A group of drunk and unruly passengers assault a Train Manager.  Train is delayed (or perhaps cancelled) for police attendance at the next station.  Root cause = drunk passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    Before anyone jumps on me about assisted passengers etc, i'm not for one minute suggesting we throw them on at the nearest door, so not to delay trains.  These things take as long as they take.

    However, i'm merely pointing out that FGW delay minutes are not black and white.  Of course broken down trains and staff issues (which are unacceptable) will add up in these figures, but the delays can also be caused by our beloved passengers/customers themselves.

    Oh, and also the reason you sit here reading the "expert comment" thinking that it's 10-1 in favour of NR, is because most of the talk and problems in the LTV area are to do with infrastructure signalling problems - which of course is NR.  No-one is suggesting FGW are blameless.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 26, 2014, 14:17:52
    I'm sure FGW have done this internally & probably talking to NR constantly

    I fear it's worse than that. I am sure NR have devoted a great amount of engineering management and planning effort to the parallel signalling/electrification/other works programmes, specifically to ensure this kind of self-inflicted damage does not happen. But it does. So there must be something wrong with the linkage between knowing what and how to do it and actually doing it that way. Or - which is not quite the same - writing your plan on the assumption something can be done this way, when in reality (at night at trackside in too little time and without the right staff) it can't.

    I imagine that the staff on the ground know exactly what needs to be done.  But what they know needs to be done and what someone sitting in an ivory tower with a balance sheet on his/her computer screen eventually tells them to do are two very different things!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 26, 2014, 14:29:19
    A HST starts to depart and a late passenger runs onto the platform and pulls a door "on-the-catch".  Train is stopped.  Door secured, needs re-dispatching etc.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW.

    However, i'm merely pointing out that First Great Western (FGW) delay minutes are not black and white.  Of course broken down trains and staff issues (which are unacceptable) will add up in these figures, but the delays can also be caused by our beloved passengers/customers themselves.

    I'm totally in agreement that a lot of attributions are pretty crude and with immediacy, the passengers may be to blame.  However, isn't it up to the train operator, the infrastructure company, and the regulation and ministry folks to provide infrastructure in which these passenger causes are minimised?

    Taking your door dispatch example, if First Great Western (FGW) at one of the High Speed Train (HST) refurbs had fitted automatic plug doors as Chiltern have done on Mark 3 carriages, they would have eliminated the possibility of a late passenger unsecuring a door. So in reality, perhaps the root cause is a mixture of FGW and the passenger ...

    A further example is perhaps when you might say that weather is the root cause .... only the case of the engineering isn't up to working in that poor weather, but it may not be worth spending millions on a once-in-40-years scenario.

    Quote
    A disabled passenger takes time to board a XC Voyager after being booked by XC in the middle of a busy coach.  Train is delayed.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW as it's their station, although XC may take a share.  Those minutes add up quickly if the delay happens at Plymouth and the train is bound for Aberdeen.

    Now that looks very heartfelt!   I'm guessing that FGW will be glad to have been rid of responsibility for BRI and RDG then?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 26, 2014, 15:01:29
    I'm totally in agreement that a lot of attributions are pretty crude and with immediacy, the passengers may be to blame.  However, isn't it up to the train operator, the infrastructure company, and the regulation and ministry folks to provide infrastructure in which these passenger causes are minimised?

    Taking your door dispatch example, if FGW at one of the HST refurbs had fitted automatic plug doors as Chiltern have done on Mark 3 carriages, they would have eliminated the possibility of a late passenger unsecuring a door. So in reality, perhaps the root cause is a mixture of FGW and the passenger ...

    A further example is perhaps when you might say that weather is the root cause .... only the case of the engineering isn't up to working in that poor weather, but it may not be worth spending millions on a once-in-40-years scenario.

    Of course, but then FGW would be expecting to shift most of their overcrowding delay minutes on the DfT, "well we'd run more trains and reduce overcrowding delays if you let us have the rolling stock" and of course that isn't going to happen  ;)

    Quote
    A disabled passenger takes time to board a XC Voyager after being booked by XC in the middle of a busy coach.  Train is delayed.  Root cause = passenger.  Delay blame = FGW as it's their station, although XC may take a share.  Those minutes add up quickly if the delay happens at Plymouth and the train is bound for Aberdeen.

    Now that looks very heartfelt!   I'm guessing that FGW will be glad to have been rid of responsibility for BRI and RDG then?
    [/quote]

    If the assistance staff are still FGW (I don't know if they are), then perhaps it's still FGW delay cost.

    I was just trying to get the point across, that just because FGW get hit with a delay cost, doesn't necessarily mean it's because the company/staff are lazy/incompetent etc and in some cases is not actually FGW's fault at all, but the TOC still takes the "blame".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 26, 2014, 18:34:54
    Indeed, same goes with Network Rail (NR).

    Suicide....delay minutes to Network Rail (NR). Passenger 'fault'

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 26, 2014, 19:07:41
    If the assistance staff are still FGW (I don't know if they are), then perhaps it's still FGW delay cost.

    Peering closely at the book of runes, there are no "Station Operator Codes", only "Station Operating Codes", of which it says:
    Quote
    These codes are for delays due to station activities. Incidents are attributable to the company running the train, and not the operator of the station.

    While some of the causes listed don't involve a train, obviously there must be one (and its operator) for there to be a delay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 26, 2014, 22:20:21
    Maybe apocryphal (although I'm sure I heard it mentioned in a TV documentary about the railways), small bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays a train after being hit - delay attribution to the TOC. Pheasant or larger bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays... - delay attribution to Network Rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 26, 2014, 22:46:03
    Maybe apocryphal (although I'm sure I heard it mentioned in a TV documentary about the railways), small bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays a train after being hit - delay attribution to the TOC. Pheasant or larger bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays... - delay attribution to Network Rail.

    Don't be silly - it's much more complicated than that! There's a flowchart. Its introduction says:
    Quote
    4.4.2 In the flowchart 4.4.3 below; the answer to the question as to whether the bird is the same size or smaller than a pheasant is to be determined by the average weight of the species of the bird involved, irrespective of the number of birds involved in the incident.

    I don't think the flowchart would reproduce easily - it's on P 34 here (http://www.delayattributionboard.co.uk/documents/dag_pdac/Delay%20Attribution%20Guide%20-%20April%202014%20Edition.pdf).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: trainer on November 26, 2014, 23:04:40
    My jaw has just hit the floor reading the document (or at least parts of it) referred to by stuving.  It's publication on 1st April may lead one to suppose a spoof: if it is it's the most intensive and demanding joke ever.  However, I fear its reality just re-enforces the impression that the lawyers have a very happy playground in this area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 26, 2014, 23:27:58
    Maybe apocryphal (although I'm sure I heard it mentioned in a TV documentary about the railways), small bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays a train after being hit - delay attribution to the TOC. Pheasant or larger bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays... - delay attribution to Network Rail.
    I saw the self same programe you are right BNM


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 26, 2014, 23:37:25
    My jaw has just hit the floor reading the document (or at least parts of it) referred to by stuving.  It's publication on 1st April may lead one to suppose a spoof: if it is it's the most intensive and demanding joke ever.  However, I fear its reality just re-enforces the impression that the lawyers have a very happy playground in this area.

    Yes, it does seem to have grown into as bit of a monster, doesn't it?

    But if you did have a single railway business, I'm pretty sure you'd have a quite detailed system for recording the causes of delays, and counting them, according to who was responsible. For one thing the statistics might be demanded of you by, for example, politicians. Or your internal departmental accounts might involve budget transfers. And just because it is internal, that doesn't prevent squabbling over whose fault it was. An then there's trying to claim compensation from outside bodies, or at least providing a well-documented excuse for press briefings.

    I find it hard to believe such a baroque system would result, but it might be a lot closer than you'd think at first.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 27, 2014, 09:54:09
    Maybe apocryphal (although I'm sure I heard it mentioned in a TV documentary about the railways), small bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays a train after being hit - delay attribution to the TOC. Pheasant or larger bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays... - delay attribution to Network Rail.
    I saw the self same programe you are right BNM

    I think it was the very well produced BBC documentary that ran for a few weeks featuring a large variety of the network.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on November 27, 2014, 10:03:09
    My jaw has just hit the floor reading the document (or at least parts of it) referred to by stuving.  It's publication on 1st April may lead one to suppose a spoof: if it is it's the most intensive and demanding joke ever.  However, I fear its reality just re-enforces the impression that the lawyers have a very happy playground in this area.

    Yes, it does seem to have grown into as bit of a monster, doesn't it?

    But if you did have a single railway business, I'm pretty sure you'd have a quite detailed system for recording the causes of delays, and counting them, according to who was responsible. For one thing the statistics might be demanded of you by, for example, politicians. Or your internal departmental accounts might involve budget transfers. And just because it is internal, that doesn't prevent squabbling over whose fault it was. An then there's trying to claim compensation from outside bodies, or at least providing a well-documented excuse for press briefings.

    I find it hard to believe such a baroque system would result, but it might be a lot closer than you'd think at first.

    Agreed, any business that has to pay out a large amount of money in "fines" or has the ability to claim such money as compensation is of course going to invest time/money and want as detailed a system as possible of deciding "fault".

    I'm sure insurance companies have even larger documents!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 27, 2014, 10:19:25
    Maybe apocryphal (although I'm sure I heard it mentioned in a TV documentary about the railways), small bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays a train after being hit - delay attribution to the TOC. Pheasant or larger bird breaks a cab windscreen or otherwise delays... - delay attribution to Network Rail.
    I saw the self same programe you are right BNM

    I think it was the very well produced BBC documentary that ran for a few weeks featuring a large variety of the network.
    I've just found it it's called  The Railway keeping Britain on track  four part broadcast on BBC Two in  2013.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 27, 2014, 16:33:54
    And your starter for today:

    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton
    Following a problem currently under investigation between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton the Reading bound relief line has now reopened.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 27, 2014, 17:18:44
    There's a flowchart. Its introduction says:
    Quote
    4.4.2 In the flowchart 4.4.3 below; the answer to the question as to whether the bird is the same size or smaller than a pheasant is to be determined by the average weight of the species of the bird involved, irrespective of the number of birds involved in the incident.

    I don't think the flowchart would reproduce easily - it's on P 34 here (http://www.delayattributionboard.co.uk/documents/dag_pdac/Delay%20Attribution%20Guide%20-%20April%202014%20Edition.pdf).

    Thanks for posting that link, stuving.  :)

    I've taken the liberty of extracting that particular page from the document and uploading it as an image, in the hope that this will help those readers of the Coffee Shop forum whose various gadgetry does not allow them to read such linked items easily:

    (http://i.imgur.com/zWkoieL.jpg?1)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 28, 2014, 09:00:42
    There's a flowchart. Its introduction says:
    Quote
    4.4.2 In the flowchart 4.4.3 below; the answer to the question as to whether the bird is the same size or smaller than a pheasant is to be determined by the average weight of the species of the bird involved, irrespective of the number of birds involved in the incident.

    I don't think the flowchart would reproduce easily - it's on P 34 here (http://www.delayattributionboard.co.uk/documents/dag_pdac/Delay%20Attribution%20Guide%20-%20April%202014%20Edition.pdf).

    Thanks for posting that link, stuving.  :)

    I've taken the liberty of extracting that particular page from the document and uploading it as an image, in the hope that this will help those readers of the Coffee Shop forum whose various gadgetry does not allow them to read such linked items easily:

    (http://i.imgur.com/zWkoieL.jpg?1)


    Brilliant! Was it devised by Monty Python?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 06, 2014, 08:49:42
    ........well it's finally happened! After 2 months I have received my letter from FGW apologising for the crap service and offering a refund in respect of 6th October!

    I am so happy I am smiling despite this morning's signal failures and non-service out of Paddington!!!

     ;D ;D ;D

    .....does someone want to add "December" to the title of the thread?


    Due to signalling problems between Slough and Langley the Reading bound relief line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 06, 2014, 12:41:06
    ...

    .....does someone want to add "December" to the title of the thread?


    Due to signalling problems between Slough and Langley the Reading bound relief line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    Looks like its one of those days today.  :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 06, 2014, 18:04:38
    .....does someone want to add "December" to the title of the thread?

    Hmm. That'll be me, then.  ::)

    Done.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 06, 2014, 23:11:36
    Looks like its one of those days today.  :-[

    Another example of significant disruption lasting far longer and having more of an impact that it should have due to FGW's continuing shoddy management of major disruption.  The usual story, Control in Swindon swamped by enquiries, very few local operation staff on the ground capable of making decisions, some large stations left with no staff overseeing the train crew at all locally (e.g. Oxford) as is always the case at weekends.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 06, 2014, 23:31:22
    Looks like its one of those days today.  :-[

    Another example of significant disruption lasting far longer and having more of an impact that it should have due to FGW's continuing shoddy management of major disruption.  The usual story, Control in Swindon swamped by enquiries, very few local operation staff on the ground capable of making decisions, some large stations left with no staff overseeing the train crew at all locally (e.g. Oxford) as is always the case at weekends.

    This was touched on briefly in the documentary episode on Thursday night:

    Quote
    "Can you pass messages on to the crews as we don't have the staffing here at Swindon."

    That was during Dawlish. I'm guessing from your comment nothing has really changed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2014, 09:31:57
    Looks like its one of those days today.  :-[

    Another example of significant disruption lasting far longer and having more of an impact that it should have due to FGW's continuing shoddy management of major disruption.  The usual story, Control in Swindon swamped by enquiries, very few local operation staff on the ground capable of making decisions, some large stations left with no staff overseeing the train crew at all locally (e.g. Oxford) as is always the case at weekends.

    Shambles. Ruined a party we had organised for a load of children yesterday coming from various directions  - few or no FGW staff available to help, no/confused communication, loads of cancellations, those  trains that did run packed to the rafters, little or no alternative provision arranged............then again, should we be surprised?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 07, 2014, 10:53:46
    I've been sent a Network rail picture of the broken cable but don't know how to post it here.

    It looks a real mess! Having obviously been repaired with lots of gaffer tape.



    Edit note: Image now attached -

    (http://i.imgur.com/FUZ4evD.jpg)

    CfN Ranks for adding picture, as they say a pictures worth a thousand words.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 07, 2014, 13:59:12
    I got caught up the 'fiasco' on Saturday (06 December 2014).  My Up train from the far South-West got terminated short at Reading, 300+ passengers told to disembark from train (stood at Platform No.15) and told to go Platform No.13 for next train to London in 4 minutes time.  Cue 300+ passengers going up escalator over transfer deck onto down escalator to Platform No.13.  After two minutes further announcement that next train to London would be from Platform No.14.  Cue 400+ passengers (300+ from cancelled train plus those already on platform) surging back up escalator over transfer deck and back down escalator to Platform No.14.  I remained on Platform No.15 all this time as I sort of guessed that the next Up London train would come into a nominally Up direction platform rather than a nominally Down direction platform.  I got a seat but probably a significant number of passengers didn't.  At least 20+ stood in the coach I was in (coach L) when we left ::) :P

    After we left Reading there was only a single apology about the overcrowded train and the delay into our arrival into Paddington.  This was after an already extended (and diverted) 4 hour trip from the far South-West. :( >:(

    Going home in the early evening the service had still not fully sorted itself out but we did manage to arrive home just 3 minutes late :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 07, 2014, 19:24:50
    I've been sent a Network rail picture of the broken cable but don't know how to post it here.

    No problem, eightf48544: if you'd like to forward it to me, I'll do the necessary on your behalf. My e-mail address is in my profile.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 07, 2014, 23:07:11
    With my thanks to eightf48544 for his e-mail, I've now added his image to his previous post above.  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 08, 2014, 07:18:53
    And for this morning... "some lines closed" between Paddington and slough due to signalling problems.

    Yawn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 08, 2014, 07:27:15
    And we've stopped.

    Relief line to London bound at Acton is shut.

    Double yawn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 08:15:41
    Hold it together with Gaffer tape and hope for the best - the picture is a metaphor for the whole system.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 08, 2014, 08:44:45
    Delays of about an hour from Reading to Paddington. I've been on this service for 65 minutes now and am stationary at Heathrow junction


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 08, 2014, 09:54:36
    Happy Monday everybody! Looks like we need some more tape!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 10:23:08
    Happy Monday everybody! Looks like we need some more tape!

    Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Slough some lines are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 08/12.

    .........it was 1100, now it's 1500.........rush hour should be fun >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 10:40:53
    Definitely fun and games this morning. Firstly my train (7.59 from Maidenhead to Paddington) was unexpectedly in reverse formation (I am assuming this magically happened in between Tilehurst and Maidenhead) which resulted in anyone trying to use First Class having to run the length of the platform only to find First Class (2 1/2 carriages of it) was already full!!  >:(

    Having shoe horned as many people as possible on to this train with no mention of any delays we set off.. We only made it as far as just west of Slough before we stopped and then were told to expect an hours delay (which turned out to be pretty accurate).

    If they had told us about the hour delays at Maidenhead I (and I am sure many others who could) would have given up and gone home to work from there, making the train less overcrowded and pleasant for those who really had to get into London

    Yet again FGW's communication was sadly lacking


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 08, 2014, 11:52:51
    Yet again, network rail signalling fails, this is not the fault of FGW but it seems  that they could have responded better regarding information.
    These breakdowns are no longer rare or exceptional events but are becoming the "new normal".

    When the sums were done regarding the benefits of electrification, did anyone consider the costs of these frequent major breakdowns ?
    Suppose that the new electric railway lasts for say 25 years before major renewals are needed. Then consider 5 years of frequent major disruptions whilst the work is done.
    I suspect that the millions of delay minutes caused by the works might NEVER be offset by increased reliability when the work is completed. I.E. that the 30 year total of delays (5 years of disruption followed by 25 years of normal operation) might be greater than simply carrying on with diesel power.
    Add to that the fact that the electrification works are bound to take much longer and to cost much more than forecast, and that electrification adds something else to fail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2014, 11:59:41
    Indeed, expect the wires to come down....

    I don't think that there's much choice frankly, diesel trains are on their way out. ERTMS in cab) signalling may help....

    Needs putting down to the under-investment over decades & several Governments.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on December 08, 2014, 12:04:57

    ...diesel trains are on their way out...


    If they hadn't decided to electify, they'd have still needed to raise the bridges to accommodate the filtration equipment on stage IIIB-complaint diesel trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 08, 2014, 12:11:51
    On the subject of electric trains, this rather interesting post in connection with a discussion about this morning's problems has just appeared on the WNXX forum:

    http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044 (http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044)

    Quote from: Vaclad10
    NR Service updates quotes "all electric traction had been suspended (with the exception of the Inter Terminal Transfer) and the signalling system will be monitored. 1140 / 1142 Departures will be re-instated with the system being monitored with 4 electric units on the network...

    Looks like NR has considered that today's fault was being caused by HEx or HC trains?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 08, 2014, 12:18:12
    On the subject of electric trains, this rather interesting post in connection with a discussion about this morning's problems has just appeared on the WNXX forum:

    http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044 (http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044)

    Quote from: Vaclad10
    NR Service updates quotes "all electric traction had been suspended (with the exception of the Inter Terminal Transfer) and the signalling system will be monitored. 1140 / 1142 Departures will be re-instated with the system being monitored with 4 electric units on the network...

    Looks like NR has considered that today's fault was being caused by HEx or HC trains?


    HEX are better IMO at saying it how it is. Taking a look at their Twitter feed their service has been on and off all morning at Network Rail's request. But the bigger eye-opener does seem to be, as you pointed out, is that can the signalling system handle electric traction?

    I was under the impression there was works being carried out to prevent problems like this? Did they miss Acton?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 08, 2014, 12:25:31
    There's been a lot of work which is ongoing at improving the resilience of the overhead cables in certain areas between Paddington and Heathrow to prepare it for much frequent traffic rather than just the six trains each way per hour it currently gets.  Acton is one area that is undergoing a lot of work (as well as lots of ongoing work building the new fly-under), so perhaps there was work last night that went wrong and has caused the problems today?

    All I can find out is that a power failure was reported in the area at 05:22 this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 12:33:32
    Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 08, 2014, 13:06:40
    Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...

    The only positive I can take from this is that I'll be working so late this evening in order to make up the time I lost coming in that there's a better chance of a clear run.

    Last week was pretty poor, with repeated morning delays of 10 mins between Reading and Paddington, mainly centred around Southall.
    Saturday was torrid.
    This morning was just horrendous.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 08, 2014, 13:17:59
    Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...

    Quite possibly no fasts to Maidenhead (MAI) or Twyford (TWY) with only a half-hourly stopping service of 5-car (if we're lucky) Turbos? Hopefully it won't be the case, at the moment on RTT it looks like there are no major delays east of RDG (only a few mins here and there) but the overall service is reduced by about 50% with the Reliefs still closed east of Southall.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2014, 13:19:57
    Network Rail tweeted earlier...

    Quote
    08/12/2014 11:03
    @willguyatt At present the cause is believe to be a fault in the data transferring between signals.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 13:28:46
    Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...

    The only positive I can take from this is that I'll be working so late this evening in order to make up the time I lost coming in that there's a better chance of a clear run.

    Last week was pretty poor, with repeated morning delays of 10 mins between Reading and Paddington, mainly centred around Southall.
    Saturday was torrid.
    This morning was just horrendous.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:30 08/12.

    Working late may not save you.........just been changed to 2330!!!  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 08, 2014, 14:00:28
    Quote
    Disruption from signalling problems at Acton is expected until end of service today. Please check before travel - http://bit.ly/YE38x0

    https://twitter.com/FGW/status/541954093263372288


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 14:04:50
    I am leaving work early in the hope I beat the madness.. Watch this space :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 14:05:25
    Quote
    Disruption from signalling problems at Acton is expected until end of service today. Please check before travel - http://bit.ly/YE38x0

    https://twitter.com/FGW/status/541954093263372288

    Rather ironic that I renewed my season ticket yesterday and got an "extra" day added in respect of the void day on 6th October...........looks like I will have another one to add next time........"please check before travel"......outstanding advice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2014, 14:11:24
    What more can they say?....looks as though Journeycheck is carrying amends to beyond 1600 - so at least 2 hours forward. Makes sense to me....

    At least they've raised all ticket restrictions for the rest of the day, so no peak restrictions this evening.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 08, 2014, 14:18:29
    Do network rail ever publish any detail on incidents like this?
    If I could get my head around some information on what takes engineering 18+ hours to fix then I might be more understanding.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 14:31:08
    I would imagine anyone counting on FGW to get them home for Christmas in a couple of weeks is doing so with extreme trepidation......imagine if this happens on Dec 23rd/Christmas Eve?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on December 08, 2014, 15:11:31
    I would imagine anyone counting on FGW to get them home for Christmas in a couple of weeks is doing so with extreme trepidation......imagine if this happens on Dec 23rd/Christmas Eve?



    It's actually rather easy to imagine this happening just before Christmas!!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2014, 15:38:16
    In a way, it might be worth it happening just so that Network Rail (NR) get severely bad press & likely hauled in front of the Transport Committee to answer a few obvious Questions (Qs) that they are refusing to publicise. And hopefully lead to removal of NR bonuses for 2014.


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on December 08, 2014, 15:48:15
    FGW are saying that the disruption was caused by Data Cables not working correctly at Hanwell, west of Paddington.
    https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/travel-updates/first-great-western-apology (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/travel-updates/first-great-western-apology)

    Not sure how a cable doesn't work correctly unless they have been damaged.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 15:50:29
    In a way, it might be worth it happening just so that NR get severely bad press & likely hauled in front of the Transport Committee to answer a few obvious Qs that they are refusing to publicise. And hopefully lead to removal of NR bonuses for 2014.

    ..............you mean NR and FGW get bonuses? What on Earth for?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 08, 2014, 15:55:33
    All ticket restrictions lifted out of Paddington tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 08, 2014, 16:01:19
    At least they've raised all ticket restrictions for the rest of the day, so no peak restrictions this evening.

    Posted earlier.

    That letter from Mark Hopwood makes it sound as though it's in the past - has it been fixed then?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 08, 2014, 16:04:03
    Normal working given at 14:50.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 08, 2014, 16:45:46
    18.18 and 19.48 via Maidenhead cancelled.  So that puts 500+ extra people on the 19.05 3 carriage to Henley.  Good work.    :'(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 08, 2014, 16:59:25
    18.18 and 19.48 via Maidenhead cancelled.  So that puts 500+ extra people on the 19.05 3 carriage to Henley.  Good work.    :'(

    High Speed Train's (HST)s can stop at Maidenhead right? Surely it would be beneficial for one to call there. the 17:45 to Swansea is taking the load for Twyford. 

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2014, 18:27:15
    Well I was quite lucky, bailed out early and was only 15 mins late - judging by Reading the stoppers are running OK but a lot of the fast trains are SNAFU'd........good luck all getting home tonight!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 08, 2014, 18:48:15
    The 1706 fast to TWY was cancelled. I went to P1 to see if the 1703 to PNZ would stop there, as often happens when the 1706 is cancelled, so I asked an FGW dispatcher who proudly showed me the Special Stop Order. Yet the TM was adamant in her PA announcement that it wouldn't stop there. Why the disparity?

    So for me it was the jammed 1712 with only 2 coaches, and apparently the following 1735 was also only 2-car.  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: thetrout on December 08, 2014, 19:06:40
    1706 PAD - BRI is indeed cancelled throughout... I'm waiting for it at Trowbridge ::)

    Just about serves me right really :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 19:07:30
    I left work at 4 as I couldn't face a repeat of this morning.. I got the 4.42 which actually wasn't too full though stopped everywhere.. I did wonder why they didn't stop the odd HST at Maidenhead.. Incidentally I was actually aiming for the 16.49 to Slough to change there but that was cancelled which was a shame as it only had to get from the depot (old oak common) to Paddington and then head off to Oxford and would have helped a lot..

    Anyway I added it up.. Today I covered 60 miles in 5 hours which includes getting to and from the station at both ends btw - but still pretty impressive huh? And I only managed to be in the office for 5  1/2 hours thanks to this.. So some time to make up


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 19:09:42
    I left work at 4 as I couldn't face a repeat of this morning.. I got the 4.42 which actually wasn't too full though stopped everywhere.. I did wonder why they didn't stop the odd HST at Maidenhead.. Incidentally I was actually aiming for the 16.49 to Slough to change there but that was cancelled which was a shame as it only had to get from the depot (old oak common) to Paddington and then head off to Oxford and would have helped a lot..

    Anyway I added it up.. Today I covered 60 miles in 5 hours which includes getting to and from the station at both ends btw - but still pretty impressive huh? And I only managed to be in the office for 5  1/2 hours thanks to this.. So some time to make up

    Ha ha I just realised I spent pretty much the same time travelling as working today..  Now how different would that be had FGW put Wi fi in when other train operators did...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 08, 2014, 19:10:51
    18.18 and 19.48 via Maidenhead cancelled.  So that puts 500+ extra people on the 19.05 3 carriage to Henley.  Good work.    :'(

    High Speed Train's (HST)s can stop at Maidenhead right? Surely it would be beneficial for one to call there. the 17:45 to Swansea is taking the load for Twyford. 

    Yes, maidenhead can take High Speed Train's (HST)s happily, and I fully agree with your comment. The 18.18 is a 6 car turbo that is always rammed and is 95% maidenhead passengers as it is the only direct service >3 carriages within a 2hr window. If it is cancelled then it has massive implications for Maidenhead passengers

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 21:49:59
    So... now we can all begin to wonder how tomorrow will be (I'm not hopeful)..

    And also should the title of this thread be changed to remove months and just go for years (and obviously add 2015).. Sorry.. just being cynical but it's been a very long day in FGW land... again.. ::) ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 08, 2014, 21:58:10
    I refer readers to post #264 on this topic: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14689.msg164707#msg164707  ::) :o ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 08, 2014, 22:19:43
    Definitely not a pessimist anymore if it were to be renamed... Just a realist  ::) ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 08, 2014, 22:54:13
    Bowing to member opinion, I have now accepted the apparently inevitable, and renamed this topic yet again.

    Happy now?   ;) :D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: trainer on December 08, 2014, 23:15:32
    I have read the comments in this thread with increasing wonderment and sympathy for all of you who have had to put up with this appalling service for so long with no end in sight.  Usually I am one of the first to leap to the defence of the rail industry, but it seems that this is now beyond what is at all acceptable.  I am sure no individuals set out to cause havoc, but Network Rail has some serious questions to answer about their management of a major infrastructure renewal while managing an asset (can that be the right word here?!) that has been grossly neglected until comparatively recently.  FGW still don't seem to have sorted out the communication issues.

    I am fortunate in not being caught up in all of this but am saddened what is happening and feel the frustration of those of you who for months have daily wondered if you can just get to work and home again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 09, 2014, 05:24:35
    So... now we can all begin to wonder how tomorrow will be (I'm not hopeful)..

    Additional trains!

    Quote
    05:33 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington due 05:52
    06:03 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington due 06:24
    06:33 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington due 06:52
    07:03 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington due 07:24
    An additional train service has been planned to operate as shown 09/12/14
    This is due to signalling problems. Last Updated :09/12/2014 03:22

    I'm scratching my head as to why additional public services are running.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2014, 05:59:00
    I think it's because Heathrow Connect/Express are cancelled/reduced so a link to Hayes gives people an option to get the bus to the airport?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 09, 2014, 07:57:42
    So... now we can all begin to wonder how tomorrow will be (I'm not hopeful)..

    FGW reporting signal failure this morning at Theale with nothing running between NBY and RDG, but also seeing Twitter reports that the 0609 NBY-PAD is stuck at Midgham due to a level crossing failure?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 09, 2014, 08:19:25
    From FGW Journey Check:

    Quote
    Following a signalling problem near Theale, trains are now able to run between Newbury and Reading, delays of up to 30 minutes are expected while services return to normal. There is no firm estimate yet of how long disruption will last but it is likely to continue until at least 09:30.

    Signalling problems near Acton Main Line are disrupting services on Tuesday 9 December.  Heathrow Connect services are suspended.  First Great Western are running an hourly shuttle between London Paddington and  Hayes & Harlington calling at Ealing Broadway, West Ealing, Hanwell and Southall, departing: London Paddington at 33 minutes past the hour, Hayes & Harlington at 03 minutes past the hour 

    Heathrow Express are running an amended service.  Departing London Paddington at 25 and 55 minutes past the hourDeparting Heathrow Airport T5 at 12 and 42 minutes past the hour

    Alternative travel options: First Great Western passengers may use London Buses on all reasonable including the 140 bus between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow (Central Bus Station).

    Heathrow Connect passengers with pre booked tickets may use Heathrow Express services between London



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2014, 08:24:50
    So... now we can all begin to wonder how tomorrow will be (I'm not hopeful)..

    FGW reporting signal failure this morning at Theale with nothing running between NBY and RDG, but also seeing Twitter reports that the 0609 NBY-PAD is stuck at Midgham due to a level crossing failure?

    Due to signalling problems between Reading and Newbury all lines are closed.

    ...............another day, another SNAFU.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on December 09, 2014, 08:49:32
    There was a stationary, and empty, train sitting at Tilehurst in platform 3 this morning, with its lights configured to be heading to Reading, rather from Reading as usual on platform 3. No idea what that was all about (broken down maybe ?).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 09, 2014, 08:57:33
    Considered writing this in the Rights and Redress section but given this is where all the dealys are occurring....

    So Thames Valley is operating below the standard for a 5% (woo!) discount to ticket renewals.  No news there, but are there any further compensation thresholds?  if it dips further does that increase to 10%? 

    As a follow up, if there are no additional conpensation thresholds then what is the motivation for NR/FGW to improve services once the 5% is already triggered?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 09, 2014, 09:15:13
    I understand the reason Heathrow Connect services have been withdrawn is because it seems electric trains on the relief lines are affecting the signalling system.

    I think the problem on the Berks & Hants was mainly solved shortly before 8am. There were plans to divert the 07:06 to Paignton via Bristol but these were cancelled. A service from the west was diverted and passed through Swindon non stop around 08:30.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 09, 2014, 09:16:44
    Quote
    Signalling problems near Acton Main Line are disrupting services on Tuesday 9 December.

    Is/was that restricted to the relief lines ? I had a cleanish run through apart from a minor slowdown through Hayes.

    Lots of disgruntled people on P1 at Reading this morning with the Newbury services all cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on December 09, 2014, 09:51:08
    So Thames Valley is operating below the standard for a 5% (woo!) discount to ticket renewals.  No news there, but are there any further compensation thresholds?  if it dips further does that increase to 10%?

    When I first started to commute regularly in 2008 the first couple of renewals I had were 10% discounts - so I assume there is a 10% threshold somewhere, unless that was extra discount for something else!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 09, 2014, 10:00:17
    There's a 5% discount for reliability too - the number of timetabled trains that don't run. Currently heading that way with the cancellation of Connect trains (I believe Connect features within FGW stats?)

    So a max of 10% available if both stats fail the charter mark.

    But no, there's no 10% for either available if it goes on getting worse - but obviously likely to stay below the trigger for longer the lower it gets.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 09, 2014, 10:02:41
    How do the triggers work historically for annual renewals ? If the service were to be exemplary from Jan-May and I renew in June, would I see any discount pending for the last few months, which have been particularly awful ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 09, 2014, 10:31:27
    It's done on a Moving Annual Average basis for both punctuality and reliability to ensure fairness for annual ticket holders.

    https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Our-business/Performance

    Currently the reliability is still a reasonable level above the trigger on most routes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2014, 12:25:14
    Due to emergency engineering works between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 09, 2014, 13:08:17
    I'm so happy.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on December 09, 2014, 13:45:05
    There was a stationary, and empty, train sitting at Tilehurst in platform 3 this morning, with its lights configured to be heading to Reading, rather from Reading as usual on platform 3. No idea what that was all about (broken down maybe ?).
    A new signal was put up at the London End of Tilehurst platform 3 at one of the previous stages of the Reading remodelling to allow reversal there.  If, for example, the direct line from Reading to Reading West (station) is shut, then trains can be sent to Tilehurst to reverse, and then use the Reading West curve.

    [hostage to fortune...]It'll all be wonderful come Easter 2015.  There's a mahoosive chunk of work going live then - effectively the final part of the resignalling the whole way from Paddington to Didcot.  Watch this space...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 09, 2014, 13:53:43
    Yep, last of the High Speed Train (HST) dioversions via Banbury & into Waterloo....

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: thetrout on December 09, 2014, 13:57:41
    Due to emergency engineering works between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    (http://i.imgur.com/U2RQ7Of.png)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 09, 2014, 14:33:11
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-30392928

    Quote
    Persistent rail delays on the commuter line between Reading and London Paddington are "not acceptable", the rail minister has said.

    First Great Western (FGW) apologised on Monday after passengers faced delays of up to an hour following signalling faults in Acton, west London.

    Rail Minister Claire Perry said she would be meeting Network Rail and FGW to discuss the problems.

    Network Rail said it did not know what was causing the wider ongoing issues.

    {continues}

    My emphasis ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2014, 15:02:16
    Very reassuring! But at least it's getting some publicity in Parliament (.......thought they'd all be on their Christmas hols by now!!!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 09, 2014, 15:47:00
    I liked the use of the stock photograph from during the Reading platform remodelling works where there was almost no standing room on those either :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 09, 2014, 15:59:39
    This afternoon's cause of delays in the Thames Valley?

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/10849795_10154865887200459_2864908106136373281_n_zps47615b44.jpg)

     ::) :P ;D

    (Picture courtesy of forum member Ollie, via Facebook)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 09, 2014, 16:32:04
    You couldn't make it up. 'Move along now please'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 09, 2014, 21:43:44
    Wrong sort of pigeon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 09, 2014, 23:26:23
    There is now this apology on the FGW site.
    Quote
    Apology from Network Rail and First Great Western

    Dear Customer,

    We're sorry if you were caught up in the delays experienced by many of our passengers in the London and Thames Valley area on Monday 08 December.

    Data cables at Hanwell, west of Paddington which link signalling and safety equipment on the line to Network Rail^s signalling control centre, were not working properly. This meant we could only safely run trains on two of the four lines into and out of London Paddington, severely limiting the number of trains we were able to run compared to normal.

    This had a knock-on effect on other services across our network, causing delays and cancellations as we worked to keep customers moving.

    Network Rail is sorry for the disruption caused, and continues to investigate exactly what happened so that steps can be taken to avoid it happening again.

    First Great Western has lifted ticket restrictions for the whole of Monday 08 December, and tickets will be valid on other train operators^ services. Customers affected by the delays can claim compensation, according to their ticket type, and details of how to claim are on our website at www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/compensation.

    Season ticket holders will be compensated as part of the relevant Passenger Charter arrangements.

    Yours Faithfully,

    Patrick Hallgate
    Route Managing Director
    Network Rail

    Mark Hopwood
    Managing Director
    First Great Western

    Now, is that datalink issue the one caused by traction current? I can imagine that, if something that did work suddenly starts to suffer from  interference, finding it could be difficult. The cost of good EMC* is taking great pains everywhere with screening and earthing, and it would only need a concealed short-circuit at one point between two earths to undo it.

    Which is not any kind of excuse. And of course there's still today to apologise for.

    *EMC=electromagnetic compatibility


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on December 10, 2014, 08:56:30


    Now, is that datalink issue the one caused by traction current? I can imagine that, if something that did work suddenly starts to suffer from  interference, finding it could be difficult. The cost of good EMC* is taking great pains everywhere with screening and earthing, and it would only need a concealed short-circuit at one point between two earths to undo it.

    Which is not any kind of excuse. And of course there's still today to apologise for.

    *EMC=electromagnetic compatibility

    There is some good banter on this subject over at the "http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk" website, which has a lot of railway professionals on board.
    Some of the stuff is so technical that even they don't know what is going on. :(
    The consensus of opinion seems to be that all the signalling on the eastern bit of the GWML should be ripped out and shredded!.

    WE


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 10, 2014, 19:01:12
    The consensus of opinion seems to be that all the signalling on the eastern bit of the GWML should be ripped out and shredded!.

    I assume this is the section that was resignalled by Railtrack in the mid 1990's for Heathrow Express. Has it really worn out in less than 20 years?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 10, 2014, 19:52:13
    The issue with the Eastern end of the GWML, the old Slough IECC area, it uses SSI (Solid State Interlocking) whilst it was not a very early version of this I feel there may have been some corners cut at the time with the install also as electronics go 20 year makes it geriatric.

    The Thameslink signalling development team are also developing an ETRMS / ECTS system for the GWML principally for Crossrail operation which could see the introduction of ATO (Automatic Train Operation) .............the Drivers can then say look mum no hands  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 12, 2014, 10:10:40
    Well its been all clear on journeycheck for 2 days now but I can't help feeling something is still busted. All of my HSTs leaving London have taken 10mins longer to maidenhead, pausing around hayes, and today the 7.16 inbound took 40mins.

    Have fgw just suppressed the data for the TV ?!?!  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2014, 10:21:22
    Well its been all clear on journeycheck for 2 days now but I can't help feeling something is still busted. All of my HSTs leaving London have taken 10mins longer to maidenhead, pausing around hayes, and today the 7.16 inbound took 40mins.

    Have fgw just suppressed the data for the TV ?!?!  ::)

    ............maybe that's regarded as normal service now, not worthy of highlighting?  :-\


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Richard Fairhurst on December 12, 2014, 11:54:11
    You may be interested in http://recenttraintimes.co.uk/ which sets all these figures out in black and white. Or, more often, red.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 12, 2014, 12:07:19
    You may be interested in http://recenttraintimes.co.uk/ which sets all these figures out in black and white. Or, more often, red.

    Maidenhead to Paddington's most punctual fast train in the peaks appears to be the 07:59 with a 90% chance of a 5 minute or less delay at Paddington.  Some others are very poor though - the 08:35, too late for most commuters, but still a busy train is at only 43%!

    Coming back the 17:35 has a 100% record which is pretty impressive.  Less impressive is the 45% recorded by the semi-fast 17:42 train.

    Data based on the last three months.  A very useful website, but it's a shame longer time periods can't be analysed, as whilst three months sounds quite a long time, it is in fact only 60 or so occurrences of a given train of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 12, 2014, 14:07:23
    What an excellent link, thanks for posting.
    Paddington to Reading evening peak for the past 7 days is as red as I'd expect!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on December 12, 2014, 14:38:46
    And the earlier train I catch twice a week from Maidenhead has just 33% for the arriving in time for the past 100 days! I keep saying its always late, now I have proof :) (Its ALWAYS held up due to some poxy freight train. Maybe one day they will change the timetable to reflect the real time it actually runs at....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on December 12, 2014, 15:13:54

      Some others are very poor though - the 08:35, too late for most commuters, but still a busy train is at only 43%!

    The 08.35 is one I catch often, and it has never been on time. It stops in the country platforms , sometimes coupling up with another Turbo Unit in front, and sometimes its 'doors to manual' with one open per carriage !
    I have just written complaint letter #1 to FGW  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 14, 2014, 11:11:13
    You may be interested in http://recenttraintimes.co.uk/ which sets all these figures out in black and white. Or, more often, red.

    Maidenhead to Paddington's most punctual fast train in the peaks appears to be the 07:59 with a 90% chance of a 5 minute or less delay at Paddington.  Some others are very poor though - the 08:35, too late for most commuters, but still a busy train is at only 43%!

    Coming back the 17:35 has a 100% record which is pretty impressive.  Less impressive is the 45% recorded by the semi-fast 17:42 train.

    Data based on the last three months.  A very useful website, but it's a shame longer time periods can't be analysed, as whilst three months sounds quite a long time, it is in fact only 60 or so occurrences of a given train of course.

    I agree that the 7.59 appears to be the most punctual.. The train almost always gets to Paddington on time. However those stats don't show that not always all the passengers get there on time even if the train does.. If the HST that forms this set has an issue then it gets replaced with a class-180.. So probably 3/8 of the passengers are then delayed..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2014, 09:17:00

    Delays to services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway
    Due to over-running engineering works between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines will be blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 13:00 21/12.


    Good luck to anyone heading home by train for Christmas - not a very good start today!  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 21, 2014, 09:23:03
    So far, fingers crossed, looking at the departure times from Swindon things don't look too bad.  Single line working has been introduced with trains from London using the Up line for the section between Uffington and the outskirts of Swindon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 21, 2014, 10:23:18
    I totally understand that signalling /track problems are outside of the TOCs control but the last few months - in my opinion - are hardly a good incentive to travel by rail in our area.

    Personally I despair every time I see "delays between XXX and YYY causing delays of up to..."

    Is it me or has there always been a concentrated run of delays of this nature? Judging by the title of this thread it's been going on file a while but surely these cant be a knock on effect from the October 6th issue :)

    (In the above example XXX and YYY are not real station codes before anyone notices :) )


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 21, 2014, 10:25:29
    This morning's issues would more accurately be described as track problems.  They are struggling to fit a new/replacement point.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 21, 2014, 10:31:16
    This morning's issues would more accurately be described as track problems.  They are struggling to fit a new/replacement point.

    Thanks for clarifying bobm. I sincerely hope travellers plans are not disrupted by this.  I would suggest that most members this forum are used to these delays but the occasional traveller may not be so understanding of individual problems


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 21, 2014, 10:35:01
    This morning's issues would more accurately be described as track problems.  They are struggling to fit a new/replacement point.

    Thanks for clarifying bobm. I sincerely hope travellers plans are not disrupted by this.  I would suggest that most members this forum are used to these delays but the occasional traveller may not be so understanding of individual problems

    The heaviest delay I can spot is 12 minutes on the 08:37 PAD-SWA, so as 'bobm' said earlier this isn't causing any real problems.  Bi-directional signalling helps enourmously as such times, and it's good to see that such signalling flexibility is slowly being expanded on the network.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 21, 2014, 10:41:23

    The heaviest delay I can spot is 12 minutes on the 08:37 PAD-SWA, so as 'bobm' said earlier this isn't causing any real problems.  Bi-directional signalling helps enourmously as such times, and it's good to see that such signalling flexibility is slowly being expanded on the network.

    If that's the limit of delays like you say that's not too bad and I totally agree about bi-directional running.i know someone that is coming up from Cardiff to Reading this morning so hopefully they won't be delayed too much if at all. I'm not sure what service they are on otherwise I would have a look out of curiosity


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2014, 20:10:10

    The heaviest delay I can spot is 12 minutes on the 08:37 PAD-SWA, so as 'bobm' said earlier this isn't causing any real problems.  Bi-directional signalling helps enourmously as such times, and it's good to see that such signalling flexibility is slowly being expanded on the network.

    If that's the limit of delays like you say that's not too bad and I totally agree about bi-directional running.i know someone that is coming up from Cardiff to Reading this morning so hopefully they won't be delayed too much if at all. I'm not sure what service they are on otherwise I would have a look out of curiosity

    Unless of course you're travelling to Cheltenham, as virtually every service seems to be cancelled due to "a member of staff being unavailable" - Christmas parties?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 21, 2014, 20:23:00
    I think the problem in the morning was no one to take the HST stock from Bristol to Swindon to provide a set for the run to Cheltenham and thence to London.  That therefore meant three cancellations.

    In the afternoon the problems weren't helped by the unit booked to work the service in between the cancelled Paddington services running with the sole toilet locked out of use.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2014, 21:15:07
    There was over-running Engineering work twixt Didcot & Swindon till 1300, according to Journeycheck


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 22, 2014, 08:42:14
    I think the problem in the morning was no one to take the HST stock from Bristol to Swindon to provide a set for the run to Cheltenham and thence to London.  That therefore meant three cancellations.

    In the afternoon the problems weren't helped by the unit booked to work the service in between the cancelled Paddington services running with the sole toilet locked out of use.

    I guess the question must be then why was no-one available to take the stock from Bristol to Swindon?

    Signal problems again this morning it seems - Bristol TM & Westbury/Pewsey......cancellations over the next couple of days are likely to cause real problems with trains already overcrowded for Christmas.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 22, 2014, 10:46:21
    Signal problems again this morning it seems - Bristol TM & Westbury/Pewsey......cancellations over the next couple of days are likely to cause real problems with trains already overcrowded for Christmas.

    Again though, I'm struggling to find much real disruption from either issue - one early PAD-BRI cancelled and its return at 09:30 and a couple of trains in the Westbury area about 10 minutes late.  I'm sure if disruption of that magnitude is all we get this Christmas then staff and customers will be pretty pleased.

    I think it was Graham that pointed out with modern information systems like journeycheck to refer to it can look like the network is always in turmoil when the reality is that a tiny percentage of passengers are actually being disrupted and without that information the rest would not realise anything was wrong.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 22, 2014, 11:14:04

    Snip

    I think it was Graham that pointed out with modern information systems like journeycheck to refer to it can look like the network is always in turmoil when the reality is that a tiny percentage of passengers are actually being disrupted and without that information the rest would not realise anything was wrong.

    In my opinion (and yes, I know I have said this before) these automated systems can be both a benefit and a pain in the proverbial - let me give you an example.

    When I am travelling by train as soon as I can I check the app on my mobile (we are often talking 530 am here). If there have been overrunning engineering works then up until the last minute the services will show on time. However because the back end systems work on the principle a service is on time unless it is reported late (what else can it do!) local services in my part of the world (B&H line) will show as on-time until their due departure date has passed.  As has been discussed previously the systems seem to have difficulty coping when services are delayed/cancelled/reinstated following interruption of service

    On balance though they are an invaluable aid when planning my journey so I accept the limitations


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 23, 2014, 10:59:46

    Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    Customer Advice:
    Owing to signalling problems affecting a couple of running lines in the Southall area, we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present. There will be a reduction in the frequency of train services (in both directions) between London Paddington and Reading / Oxford. Any other train service cancellations or alterations will be advised on an individual basis.


    ..............Merry Christmas everyone!  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 23, 2014, 16:19:09
    Thankfully things are pretty much back to normal in time for the post-work London exodus!  At least this time you highlighted delays that were of some significance I suppose, rather than jumping on anything listed on journeycheck.

    It's disappointing to see further signalling problems on the route into Paddington, even if disruption was contained to only a couple of hours this time and the majority of the long distance trains made their way through eventually.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 23, 2014, 18:31:01
    Thankfully things are pretty much back to normal in time for the post-work London exodus!  At least this time you highlighted delays that were of some significance I suppose, rather than jumping on anything listed on journeycheck.

    It's disappointing to see further signalling problems on the route into Paddington, even if disruption was contained to only a couple of hours this time and the majority of the long distance trains made their way through eventually.

    ...........I guess it's an indication of what is now "normal service" when I am criticised for pointing out a situation that caused the cancellation of a number of services to Cheltenham, several to Bristol and delays elsewhere on the network.........you have to see this in the context of a totally unacceptable level of service over the last few months which shows no signs of improving, an isolated incident here and there would not be worthy of comment, it's the relentless failures on a daily basis that all add up.......from now on I will count my blessings, chief amongst which is that I am able to drive home for Christmas!

     Have a good Christmas all, and may all your delays be little ones!  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 23, 2014, 18:53:01
    I refer you to post #494 and hope the many reported road delays don't affect you.  Of course, in reality, reports today of...

    A multi-vehicle accident closed two lanes between junction 5 near Otford in Kent and junction 6 near Oxted in Surrey has caused a two lane closure, while a broken-down lorry forced one lane to be closed at the M25^s junction 12 south of Heathrow airport.

    In North Yorkshire, the A64 was closed in both directions between the B1249 and the B1248 due to an accident at West Knapton, with drivers advised to take alternate routes.

    Those planning a break across the Channel via Kent were delayed by heavy traffic near Folkestone,


    ...actually affected only a small percentage of those people trying to travel by car, as do the majority of the train incidents listed.  Probably not the 'travel hell' and 'nightmare' for everyone the article the quote above came from tries to portray:

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/23/travel-hell-for-brits-looking-to-get-away-for-christmas-4997518/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/23/travel-hell-for-brits-looking-to-get-away-for-christmas-4997518/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 23, 2014, 18:58:11
    I refer you to post #494 and hope the many reported road delays don't affect you.  Of course, in reality, reports today of...

    A multi-vehicle accident closed two lanes between junction 5 near Otford in Kent and junction 6 near Oxted in Surrey has caused a two lane closure, while a broken-down lorry forced one lane to be closed at the M25^s junction 12 south of Heathrow airport.

    In North Yorkshire, the A64 was closed in both directions between the B1249 and the B1248 due to an accident at West Knapton, with drivers advised to take alternate routes.

    Those planning a break across the Channel via Kent were delayed by heavy traffic near Folkestone,


    ...actually affected only a small percentage of those people trying to travel by car, as do the majority of the train incidents listed.  Probably not the 'travel hell' and 'nightmare' for everyone the article the quote above came from tries to portray:

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/23/travel-hell-for-brits-looking-to-get-away-for-christmas-4997518/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/23/travel-hell-for-brits-looking-to-get-away-for-christmas-4997518/)

    If your point is that there are sometimes problems on other forms of transport then it is well made, it doesn't however mitigate against the ongoing poor performance of the railways (NR/FGW) on the Thames Valley and other lines over the last few months which as you may have noticed is the theme of this thread.....I am however grateful for your good wishes  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 23, 2014, 19:42:02
    Some of us are working over Christmas to build a better railway ...................

    Which can do best when no trains are running a whole 52 hours (and more in some places) to take things to bits and put new stuff in


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 23, 2014, 19:56:07
    Which can do best when no trains are running a whole 52 hours (and more in some places)

    Let's hope the 'more' isn't an unplanned more due to overruns in too many places this year.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 23, 2014, 20:07:36
    If your point is that there are sometimes problems on other forms of transport then it is well made, it doesn't however mitigate against the ongoing poor performance of the railways (NR/FGW) on the Thames Valley and other lines over the last few months which as you may have noticed is the theme of this thread.....I am however grateful for your good wishes  :)

    Whether it is unavoidable or not I do not know but this does seem to be normal though whenever major improvements are carried out to a live railway that is running at near full capacity.  Remember the WCML work in the days of Railtrack?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 23, 2014, 20:27:44
    Which can do best when no trains are running a whole 52 hours (and more in some places)

    Let's hope the 'more' isn't an unplanned more due to overruns in too many places this year.
    Well on FGW land it you won't be able to blame me ...................... I'm playing with a different part of the train set  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 23, 2014, 20:45:33
    Thankfully, for me at least, I've only had to travel from Thatcham to London twice this December. In the October - November months when I was commuting daily I gave up telling her indoors what tine I expected to be home because until I walked through the door I couldn't rely on anything outside of my control

    Here is hoping that the new year will bring a new start

    To all of you helping to build a better railway - I thank you for your hard work


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 23, 2014, 22:09:31
    I received a 7th void day letter from FGW today. It relates to 8th December I believe.
    I welcome FGW's speed in recognising their 3rd world service that week, and for them getting the notification out pre-Christmas.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 23, 2014, 22:13:30
    I welcome FGW's speed in recognising their 3rd world service that week, and for them getting the notification out pre-Christmas.

    What is 3rd world service? I remember a friend once recalling his travels in India. One day he expressed surprise that the train he was about to catch (the one train each day) was on time rather than a few hours late.  He was corrected however "No this is yesterday's train". 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 23, 2014, 22:28:07
    So pretty similar to the Thames valley through that week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on December 23, 2014, 22:32:14
    I've just received ^140 back on this year's season due to the 7 void days. A real bonus, as only 1 of those days particularly inconvenienced me, but then I recognise that many others would have been much more severely impacted.  (And if you're wondering what the inconvenience was, I had to share a table for 2 in first class with someone for the last 15 minutes of my morning journey into Swindon due to overcrowding. ) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 26, 2014, 21:23:50
    Some of us are working over Christmas to build a better railway ...................

    Which can do best when no trains are running a whole 52 hours (and more in some places) to take things to bits and put new stuff in

    Merry Christmas ET, when you get time to celebrate!

    The figures show that the rail service is quieter over holiday periods, although some may say that is because of there being fewer trains. That makes it the best time to carry out major work, and I don't mind not being able to take a train on Boxing Day in exchange for the removal of the mail conveyor at Temple Meads and all the other pre-electrification work being done over Christmas.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 27, 2014, 09:09:20
    Not looking very good this morning with numerous cancellations and many other services delayed or diverted or not serving the whole route.

    Looks like a mixture of the expected over running engineering works outside Paddington and signal failures around Southampton.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2014, 09:21:22
    Not looking very good this morning with numerous cancellations and many other services delayed or diverted or not serving the whole route.

    Looks like a mixture of the expected over running engineering works outside Paddington and signal failures around Southampton.

    It's the same every year so I don't suppose anyone is really very surprised.....first Penzance service of the day cancelled, next few (assuming they run) will be hideously overcrowded........first Penzance to Paddington starting from Plymouth too.....due to....yes you've guessed it......"a member of the train crew being unavailable"



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 27, 2014, 09:24:25
    Advice for passengers from Reading and west thereof intending to use the first Penzance was to travel to Temple Meads where an additional train will run to Cornwall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2014, 10:05:01
    That one will be nice and cosy especially as the next PAD-PLY is also cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 27, 2014, 10:20:20
    "Additional train".... Likely to only be carrying those transferring from PAD as few others will know its running


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2014, 10:24:13
    "Additional train".... Likely to only be carrying those transferring from PAD as few others will know its running

    probably immaterial now.....latest from Journeycheck.....

    Due to over-running engineering works between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are closed.

    0900 to Exeter cancelled, as is 0928 to Penzance - best advice, give up and go home? (unless that's what you're trying to do?)

    What a farce.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 27, 2014, 11:21:12
    Looking at the bbc news web site it's not just FGW services being hit by overrunning engineerng works

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30607689 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30607689)

    Personally I am not affected by either dispruptions But it doesn't stop me feeing sorry for those who need access to the transport system today


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 27, 2014, 11:37:04
    Currently sitting in sloe at pad, having arrived to catch the 1106. Too much luggage to consider going to Marylebone. Nothing in the station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2014, 11:38:32
    In that link, it says:

    Quote
    A Network Rail spokesman said the work was "a small part of a massive amount of engineering investment taking place over Christmas".

    He said 4.5 million passengers use the railways on average every day, compared with two million a day over the Christmas and New Year holiday.

    Whilst I agree that the Christmas and New Year period is a wholly excellent time to close some lines to undertake major works on them, I can't help feeling they the "two million a day" average over Christmas and the New Year is to some extent caused by the almost complete absence of trains on 2 of those days.   Kinda pushes the average down.   If we call the Christmas / new year period 10 days (24th Dec to 2nd Jan) and say that trains only run on 8 of them, then would the average over the days they run be 2,000,000 / 0.8 = 2,500,000 passengers.   Is Mr Network Rail being naughty with his use of statistics, or has he already and correctly discounted the 2 shut days?

    I'm afraid I've learned to be a cynic over the years - long experience of messages like "fill the existing trains and we'll provide more" which were pretty darned hard to do in the days when there was a choice between the 06:12 and the 18:44.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 27, 2014, 11:41:15
    Journey check is now saying no trains into Paddington until 13.30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 27, 2014, 12:11:42
    And now it's disruption until 6.30pm at least...   Oh well it's not like there are any big sales on that people might want to get to  (not me btw - I don't like shopping!) :) ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 27, 2014, 12:18:06
    This though predictable is a very poor performance from network rail (and/or contractors whom they chose to appoint) and whilst I presume that another review or enquiry will be announced, does anyone think that it will be better next time ?

    Electrification, new signalling and other preparations for the new shorter trains are expected to take some years so this is unlikely to be a "one off"
    And of course events like todays will discourage train travel at holiday times.

    I recently met, at a social event, a West country MP who stated that a massive road improvement and road building programme was needed in the West because "the railway always closes at Christmas and Easter, and in bad weather, and you never know in advance if the trains will be running"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 27, 2014, 12:46:11
    Following along on Twitter things still look far from finished.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PaddingtonTrains&src=hash&mode=photos


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 27, 2014, 12:46:19
    I'll be fascinated to see if this warrants a void day. If it was a regular day and no trains ran into Paddington then I'd be confident of it being void, but will fgw just chance it and not declare a void.
    IMO the void/no void decision needs to be taken out of the TOC's control and awarded by a regulator.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 27, 2014, 12:54:22
    Following along on Twitter things still look far from finished.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PaddingtonTrains&src=hash&mode=photos
    But that work isn't meant to be finished until the new year.

    I see at least one train has been sent out prospecting for a way through the battlefield ...

    (from JourneyCheck)
    09:30 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 11:26 This train has been delayed at Slough and has been further delayed at Southall.
    This train will be diverted from Reading.
    This train will be terminated at Ealing Broadway.
    This train will call additionally at Ealing Broadway.
    This train will no longer call at London Paddington.
    This is due to over-running engineering works. Last Updated :27/12/2014 12:45

    (Currently -12:55 - it's at Hanwell.)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 27, 2014, 12:59:00
    Good to see plenty of staff by the 'information' screens in this photo.

    https://twitter.com/HUTCHfilms/status/548808702783131648/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/HUTCHfilms/status/548808702783131648/photo/1)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 27, 2014, 13:30:03
    I don't think they offer void days at weekdnds


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 27, 2014, 13:41:17
    I've driven into London today but I've just popped into PAD to see what's happening, and breaking news is that a train has just arrived into P8, an High Speed Train (HST) which has disgorged some weary travellers. And now one also arriving into P9. Departure indicators showing 'delayed' departures to PNZ at 1328 and BRI at 1333.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 27, 2014, 14:08:22
    So after both Kings Cross and Paddington closed due to overrunning engineering work, we await to see on Monday if Network Rail can complete the hat trick and overrun the work at Watford keeping Euston closed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: thetrout on December 27, 2014, 14:37:03
    I got lucky with this today. I turned up at Southend Victoria station and boarded the train about 20 minutes before it was going to leave to head back to West Country. A member of platform staff spotted me and leaned in and asked if I was going back to the West Country. I said that was the plan and he asked me to come and take a look at something. That something was the Sky News Channel from the door of the Mess Room.

    Needless to say I left Southend Victoria station pretty rapidly and not by means of a train ::) :D :-X


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on December 27, 2014, 14:39:29
    Network Rail have tweeted that the lines outside of Paddington have been handed back.  

    https://twitter.com/NetworkRailPAD/status/548838948790095872
    https://twitter.com/NetworkRailPAD/status/548839209327661056



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 27, 2014, 14:41:01
    Yes, they'll be ongoing delays for the rest of the day, but at least trains can now get through.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 27, 2014, 15:33:05
    I don't think they offer void days at weekdnds

    Why not?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2014, 16:33:20
    I don't think they offer void days at weekdnds

    Why not?

    Because season tickets are priced / based on a five day [Monday through Friday] use. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 27, 2014, 16:56:14
    So if we, as season ticket holders, can't travel at weekends due to collective network failure then we have no recompense?
    I bet NR still pays FGW for today's delays. A nice little earner for FGW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 27, 2014, 17:02:01
    Well, at about 13:10 we gave up waiting at Padd'n and went off to Marylebone. Where we caught the 13:36 to Birmingham. And got back to Foregate Street at 16:40.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2014, 17:31:26
    Its interesting that the "delay map" now quite closely resembles the same picture this time last year when we had extreme weather as an excuse - but all that is responsible this time around is good old fashioned incompetence.

    I really hope that some of the FGW devotees on here really understand what it is to try to get from London to Plymouth/Penzance during periods of massive disruption, which seems to be pretty much a weekly (at least) event these days.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 27, 2014, 17:38:00
    Its interesting that the "delay map" now quite closely resembles the same picture this time last year when we had extreme weather as an excuse - but all that is responsible this time around is good old fashioned incompetence.

    In my opinion the extreme weather was a "reasonable cause" rather than "excuse". My in laws (who like us were flooded in 2007) were flooded 6 times in succession in February and March this year. That to me is extreme weather for this country.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2014, 17:43:39
    Its interesting that the "delay map" now quite closely resembles the same picture this time last year when we had extreme weather as an excuse - but all that is responsible this time around is good old fashioned incompetence.

    In my opinion the extreme weather was a "reasonable cause" rather than "excuse". My in laws (who like us were flooded in 2007) were flooded 6 times in succession in February and March this year. That to me is extreme weather for this country.

    Yes, I fully agree that nothing can be done about the whims of nature, that was my point....and your thoughts on today's (entirely man made) events, which have inconvenienced tens of thousands?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Umberleigh on December 27, 2014, 17:56:03
    Its interesting that the "delay map" now quite closely resembles the same picture this time last year when we had extreme weather as an excuse - but all that is responsible this time around is good old fashioned incompetence.

    I really hope that some of the FGW devotees on here really understand what it is to try to get from London to Plymouth/Penzance during periods of massive disruption, which seems to be pretty much a weekly (at least) event these days.

    Well said. Just made it back to Truro from Gatwick Airport Station and whilst I was not overly delayed, I had to change at Bristol Parkway and Plymouth post-Reading and it was only because the Cross Country Parkway - Plymouth was ten minutes later that I wasn't at least an hour late. Also my seat reservation was lost and all trains in every class were packed after Bristol.

    Sick if this routine now, every Christmas holiday period the service is a farce and yet the fares get dearer. By the way, even on the way up (23rd) the air con was broken (freezing cold) and the buffet boiler broken (so no hot drink).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 27, 2014, 18:07:30

    Yes, I fully agree that nothing can be done about the whims of nature....and your thoughts on today's (entirely man made) events, which have inconvenienced tens of thousands?

    This may be a rambling answer but here goes.

    I think one of the problems I have in commenting on delays caused by (for example) overrunning engineering works is that I work in an industry (IT) where project overruns are all too common. The big difference is that in the case of IT projects I work on the delays don't normally have a direct impact on the public.

    I would like to see a break down of the delays (and causes of) since October. As has been discussed previously the majority of causes of delays are not down to the TOC concerned but due to infrastructure issues. I would be curious to know, for example, how many of the delays since October can be attributed to a root cause which was that due to the damage caused on October 6th

    In my opinion the odd delay caused by signal/points failure (as an example) is to be expected but as you know TG delays seem to be the norm rather than the exception at the present time.

    I would like to also understand better the interaction between Network Rail (NR) and the Government (via the transport minister). I would hope there are weekly reviews of performance levels for previous weeks.

    Regarding the issues starting up services after Christmas engineering works I think in hindsight it would have been better to have shut down public services for a longer period and then bring them back on stream earlier if circumstances allowed. From a planning perspective I know this is not ideal but it is probably more realistic given the history of restarting segments of the rail network after major engineering works.

    Please (anyone) do not read this as a criticism of staff on the ground - I do not believe this is an issue here . There may be many causes of the problems we are facing  but I don't think this is one.

    Am I satisfied with the service being offered by the TOCs which rely on NR to provide a service? Definitely not! But probably - like you TG - I have to tolerate the delays and disruption which cause my working day to be stretched at both ends.

    Sadly, I don't have the answers to the current delays - if I did I wouldn't be sitting here typing this!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 27, 2014, 18:08:16
    I think that Network Rail had a very lucky escape today.

    On our way from Marylebone, we came flying past a waiting Virgin West Coast train at South Ruislip (it had to follow us all the way to Leamington Spa). These trains were running hourly from Euston to Birmingham International to avoid the Watford blockade, routed by way of Acton Main Line and the Greenford branch. The one that I saw was a 15-car Voyager.

    If the signalling problems in and out of Paddington had knocked these out as well, then I hate to imagine what the media would've made of it all!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 27, 2014, 18:26:12
    Apparently they were not even allowing people to buy tickets at Maidenhead about 1.30pm and weren't letting people up to the platform. Despite the fact that a train did go on from there to Paddington about that time..

    My son was there and was told there were "no trains" and even when people started leaving the station from the train that had just stopped  there (and they'd seen on the departures board) one of the members of staff said he'd just been up on the platform and had seen no train..

    Marvellous.. You couldn't make that up  ::)

    I imagine the train that did run (the first I think) may have been full and standing and all the rest but why the information couldn't have been factual rather than make believe I can't quite work out


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oberon on December 27, 2014, 18:29:23
    One of the best pieces of advice to give to anyone is this: - never travel by rail over the Christmas period!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Umberleigh on December 27, 2014, 18:32:12
    My family live near Heathfield in East Sussex, and I am at present based in Truro. I have the option of driving (no thanks) the train or flying to/from Newquay. I believe in the train as the best environmental option - and preferable to driving -  and in an ideal world, we should not be flying anyone from Cornwall to London.

    But this is the second year running that my Christmas holiday trip has fallen foul of delayed and cancelled trains, and I've had enough. As I stood freezing cold on Bristol Parkway Station waiting for a (fortunately) late and crowded Cross Country service to Plymouth (not Truro) I knew that the Flybe plane had already landed in Newquay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 27, 2014, 18:57:58
    NickB - if you are paying for weekday travel by buying your season ticket & are offered travel for free on weekends, how can you be compensated for something that is free.

    Alternatively, you might request a season based on 7day travel, and you might get compensated - but the cost of that ticket if it were available, would be dearer to start with

    I know which version I'll be buying.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 27, 2014, 19:14:52
    Anyone know what tomorrow is likely to bring ? I thought that the overrunning engineering work was now done and the line handed back to the TOC.
    Whilst one would expect some knock on delays, it now appears that most services are cancelled until late evening.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2014, 19:17:59
    NickB - if you are paying for weekday travel by buying your season ticket & are offered travel for free on weekends, how can you be compensated for something that is free.

    Alternatively, you might request a season based on 7day travel, and you might get compensated - but the cost of that ticket if it were available, would be dearer to start with

    My understanding is that season tickets are priced based on five days in seven of travel by the typical full time worker, as that's the typical number of journeys that the rail industry expects them to make.  Careful study of a lot of pages makes no reference to the weekend travel being "free" in any way - and I think it's more because the majority of people work a Monday through Friday week that comparisons are made in relation to peak journeys on those days, and void days are declared for those days because that's when most are using their seasons.

    You have a fair point on 7 day compensation, though, Chris ... void days / compensation has to be paid from somewhere.  FGW gets the money from Network Rail (if it's their fault) who get the money in line access changes from FGW who get the money (in fares) from the passengers.   There's going to be some leakage along the way from this financial merrygoround, but I suspect that shareholders and directors are but little streams off this big river flowing. The sad thing is just how much of the river must leak into the bedrock of administration that it flows over.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2014, 19:34:37
    My family live near Heathfield in East Sussex, and I am at present based in Truro. I have the option of driving (no thanks) the train or flying to/from Newquay.

    or National Express ...  also an option ;D ? ... local buses to Brighton then change at Heathrow.  Coach time 8 hours 30 minutes - not sure if I would trust the 5 minute connection that Traveline gave me, though!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 27, 2014, 20:52:28
    NickB - if you are paying for weekday travel by buying your season ticket & are offered travel for free on weekends, how can you be compensated for something that is free.

    Alternatively, you might request a season based on 7day travel, and you might get compensated - but the cost of that ticket if it were available, would be dearer to start with

    I know which version I'll be buying.

    I pay a year in advance for 365 days of travel. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday - if there is a timetable then i expect a train. If the timetable goes out the window for a whole day then i expect compensation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 27, 2014, 21:16:45
    Anyone know what tomorrow is likely to bring ? I thought that the overrunning engineering work was now done and the line handed back to the TOC.
    Whilst one would expect some knock on delays, it now appears that most services are cancelled until late evening.



    I was wondering the same thing. Network Rail (NR) journey planner is promising a bus between Slough and Hayes up until the 7.40am departure from Maidenhead so work is obviously starting up again overnight in the same place.. So maybe don't be too hopeful

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 27, 2014, 21:38:09
    NickB....no, you're paying for 5xdaysx52 weeks of travel, less public holidays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 27, 2014, 22:10:55
    NickB....no, you're paying for 5xdaysx52 weeks of travel, less public holidays.

    Who dictates what are working days and which aren't though?.. Surely a season ticket would still be cheaper if (hypothetically) someone worked Tuesday to Saturday every week (so 5 days each week)? That hypothetical person who bought that season ticket would definitely not have made it into work today


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: brizzlechris on December 27, 2014, 23:07:27
    It might be interesting to look at how compensation works on the newer franchises operating Delay Repay.

    Do season ticket holders on Delay Repay get compensation for delayed weekend services? Yes (though at a lesser value than that of a weekday delay).

    East Coast (http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/customer-service/delay-repay/) and Southern (http://www.southernrailway.com/download/3139.5/passengers-charter/) both specificially refer to how this is calculated and this is done on the basis of the season ticket being used 1 in 4 weekends. Other franchises such as London Midland (http://www.londonmidland.com/download/62052.9/passengers-charter-2012/) refer to 546 as the presumed number of journies comprising an annual season ticket.

    When you also take into account that Sunday performance and reliability are excluded from FGW's calculation of compensation for holders of season ticket longer than one month, it does seem that FGW season ticket holders are getting a bit of a raw deal on weekends (and even more so for those on former FGW Link services who are calculated on a Monday-Friday basis only) ...

    Quote from: First Great Western Passenger Charter
    All Monday - Saturday services are included in these calculations (except for former First Great Western Link services where only Monday to Friday services are included, and only morning and evening peak services are included in the punctuality calculation. Peak services are those arriving at London Paddington between 0700 - 1000 and those departing London Paddington from 1600 – 1900 are included). Sundays and Bank Holidays are also excluded from these calculations

    Maybe this will all be addressed with FGW moving to Delay Repay in the proposed extension...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: thetrout on December 27, 2014, 23:09:11
    NickB....no, you're paying for 5xdaysx52 weeks of travel, less public holidays.

    Just so I am clear in my head with this Chris B. Are you saying that by paying for 40 weeks out of 52 weeks. Those additional 12 Weeks of 'free travel' that the Railway is not obliged to for-fill its contract in getting the passenger from A - B? Also to renegade on offering compensation for significant delays?

    Not sure I can agree with that. NickB is entirely right to say "I expect compensation if the trains are timetabled to run and they don't" What you seem to be suggesting is that passengers who travel on Weekends / Bank Holidays are not entitled to compensation if everything goes horribly wrong?!!

    Maybe I've read too much into that. But if we take a different approach here. What about those who use their season tickets to get to work to serve us Sunday Lunches who work Wednesday - Sunday inclusive? Why should they be held at disadvantage because they have their weekend on Mondays and Tuesdays?

    I hold a season ticket and will be required to work Saturdays every so often. If the train gets me to Bristol over an hour late. I would expect to be entitled to compensation.

    Day of the week is irrelevant in my view. Whether you hold a CDS, FOR, Season Ticket. If trains are advertised to run as per a timetable. If they do not, then rightly so you should be able to seek redress.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2014, 23:55:42
    And let's not forget that those Season Ticket holders who travel with TOCs that have the 'Delay Repay' scheme get compensated for every delayed journey, regardless of the day of the week or purpose of the journey. For an annual Season Ticket you divide the price by 546 for a single journey price, then are awarded 50% of that price for a delay of 30-59 minutes, 100% for 60-119 minutes, and 200% for 120+ minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 28, 2014, 03:08:59
    Quote
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading Due to over-running engineering works between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 28/12.
    Customer Advice:
    First Great Western ticket holders may use their tickets on London Underground and / or local TfL bus services in the area.
    Additional Information:
    Please note that customers holding tickets dated for travel on the 27th December on First Great Western routes affected by this problem may use those tickets to travel today on Sunday 28th or Monday 29th December instead.

    My bolding. Updated 23:48.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 28, 2014, 07:42:10
    See post #554 previously for a quote that sers out current compensation.

    It is rumoured that FGW are moving to Delay Repay in the new franchise, we'll have to wait & see.

    Now 0915 with further updates promised


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 28, 2014, 07:49:52
    TV this morning talks about old people in their 80s and 90s with luggage and families with children being stranded for hours, though main focus is on King's Cross.   Is that because that was a worse (more people) mess, a worse (more cancellations) mess, or because signalling and system failures and overruns don't happen often there and are more newsworthy?

    Talk too of the Office of Rail Regulation fining Network Rail, and of Network Rail having to pay compensation to the Train Operating Companies.   Talk of further disruption today (and indeed I see London to Hayes and Harlington trains starting at Ealing Broadway), and that tickets from yesterday are valid today and tomorrow, so trains are expected to be very busy.

    Yesterday was an incredibly busy day on the forum - 125 posts.   As we were open on Christmas day and Boxing day, that wasn't caused by people having to put off their contributions - I suspect it was the lift that we see when things aren't going quite right.   To give you a 'measure', average daily traffic somewhere in the 60 to 65 messages range.  Figures have only been higher this year on 11th and 12th February (178 and 151), and on 6th October it went just higher to 127.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 28, 2014, 08:01:07
    Ironically I think the main focus has been on Kings Cross because the problems were signposted by the announcement on Boxing Day that the work was not running to plan.  That allowed the news crews and photographers to make plans to get there and see the disruption.  The problems at Paddington unfolded on Saturday morning and while they did receive some coverage later on, the focus was on Kings Cross because that's where the pictures were coming from.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 28, 2014, 09:19:42
    Ironically I think the main focus has been on Kings Cross because the problems were signposted by the announcement on Boxing Day that the work was not running to plan.  That allowed the news crews and photographers to make plans to get there and see the disruption.  The problems at Paddington unfolded on Saturday morning and while they did receive some coverage later on, the focus was on Kings Cross because that's where the pictures were coming from.

    In Scotland, at least, they were warned of Kings Cross, the truth being in the caption:

    (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/Record_zps3ffd7f49.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2014, 09:46:54
    When all the petty arguments, semantics and point scoring have died down, there needs to be a fundamental examination of the offering given by FGW to its customers at the moment and going forward.......yesterday the rail industry as a whole failed utterly and dismally - no ifs, buts, blaming each other as to who did what to who etc.....what matters is that tens of thousands of customers were let down.....again - this seems to be overlooked in the battle to apportion blame to NR etc.

    It seems that every year at Christmas, when demand for long distance travel is at its highest, overcrowding is endemic, reliability lowest, services do not match customer demand (I won't revisit the Boxing Day issue here but clearly it needs to be explored and addressed), and above all, engineering works, which we are promised will make all the difference, overrun and cause chaos, albeit not to the extent of yesterday's meltdown.

    For the last 3 months, since early October the level of service offered by FGW which is normally inconsistent at best has been unacceptable - there have been individual days when things have virtually ground to a halt, and hardly a day goes by without increasing levels of signal failures, non availability of staff, mechanical failure etc etc causing cancellations, delays and short formations......all this against a background of rising fares, overcrowding etc - customers are being asked to pay more for a deteriorating service.

    Hopwood and his senior cohorts seem to be virtually invisible - aside from the occasional feeble apology and soundbite - any senior manager worth his salt would be visibly and extensively all over the other organisations causing  problems for his customers - he seems like a bit of a mushroom.

    Alongside this the whole customer ethos has to change - aside from pockets of excellence, there is a general air of indifference, lack of information/communication and sense that the organisation is run largely for the benefit of those within it rather than its customers (admittedly not unusual for large public/quasi public sector monopolies) - the Business needs to fit around the needs of its customers, not the other way around, and there needs to be a reassessment of the sense of entitlement amongst a lot of the staff.

    There needs to be an honest examination and explanation of the level of service that can be offered over the next few years before we reach (what we are told) is the holy grail of new rolling stock etc - expectations need to be managed and priced accordingly, if FGW care at all about its brand and its customers perception of it.

    Some of this will get peoples backs up - tough - its nothing personal but its my perception based on my experience as a long term paying customer, it's up to FGW to turn my opinion around by providing a service worthy of the name, in return for the thousands of ^ that I and countless others hand over on a regular basis.

    I hope that Hopwood, NR etc are sat down in front of a select committee and publicly given an almighty bollocking and instructions to come up with a recovery plan very, very quickly.....I can't see anything else that will catalyse a swift improvement, other than pegging their salaries to customer satisfaction/performance figures which may have a similar effect!!!





    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 28, 2014, 10:10:40
    Yesterday (Saturday 27th), we got to Paddington at about 10:50, intending to catch the 11:06 back to Worcester, due into Foregate Street at 13:44.

    I have to say that customer service at Paddington was really good. A lot of people in hi-vis jackets, who had spread out, which meant that there wasn't a queue. They were very apologetic. They'd got an empty station to point to. Their suggestion for Worcester was that we go to Marylebone and go round via Birmingham.

    Too much luggage for that, so we retired upstairs into Sloe to wait and see. We'd got plenty of Christmas books, so waiting wasn't a problem. Downside about being in Sloe is that you can't hear the PA, so from time to time we went off to find out what was going on.

    Each time the same thing - very apologetic, very courteous, but we don't know when we may be able to get things going again. Meanwhile, Marylebone is our best suggestion. It probably helped that they'd got an empty station to point to, and that their basic message was to go somewhere else. I'm sure that that meant that the crowds didn't build up in the way that they did at Finsbury Park.

    We cracked at about 13:10, and went off to Marylebone. Caught the 13:36 to Birmingham. Back at Foregate Street at 16:40.

    Tried posting from the Chiltern train, but their WiFi is not very good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 28, 2014, 10:40:15
    Trains appear to be running ok from Maidenhead currently.. We have a half hour service which is the norm for a Sunday.. My son is going to have his second attempt this weekend at a day in London.. Hopefully he will be more successful this time


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 28, 2014, 10:48:06

    ..snip..
    I have to say that customer service at Paddington was really good. A lot of people in hi-vis jackets, who had spread out, which meant that there wasn't a queue. They were very apologetic. They'd got an empty station to point to. Their suggestion for Worcester was that we go to Marylebone and go round via Birmingham.
    ..snip..

    Although I understand that service disruption and delays can and do cause frustration for passengers I'd like to commend WP on his objective comments regarding his own experience.

    I'd also like to add that when I have been at Paddington and there have been major delays most of the FGW staff on the ground are very helpful - I certainly wouldn't want their job at times :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Umberleigh on December 28, 2014, 11:07:05

    ..snip..
    I have to say that customer service at Paddington was really good. A lot of people in hi-vis jackets, who had spread out, which meant that there wasn't a queue. They were very apologetic. They'd got an empty station to point to. Their suggestion for Worcester was that we go to Marylebone and go round via Birmingham.
    ..snip..

    Although I understand that service disruption and delays can and do cause frustration for passengers I'd like to commend WP on his objective comments regarding his own experience.

    I'd also like to add that when I have been at Paddington and there have been major delays most of the FGW staff on the ground are very helpful - I certainly wouldn't want their job at times :)

    FGW hi vis guy very helpful at Reading, announced that passengers for the Westcountry should take the Swansea train to Bristol Parkway.

     However the train manager on said train only made the standard announcements and no info on connections was offered, resulting in a lot if worried people. Finally she walked down the train after Didcot, but was in no mood for stopping, and I literally had to run after her. She gave me answers to all my questions, but still no announcement for everyone else. Very poor.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on December 28, 2014, 11:15:22
    There were a large number of traincrew shortages resulting in cancellation of trains, or legs of, so as a review of the whole picture as suggested this matter must be examined also.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 28, 2014, 21:48:42
    Fingers crossed it's not going downhill again but the 21.15 from Paddington to Reading has just lost 20 minutes between Acton and Ealing Broadway..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 28, 2014, 21:58:47
    According to National Rail (not made it onto journeycheck just yet)

    "A signalling problem at Southall is causing delays of up to 30 minutes to services to and from London Paddington. There is no firm estimate yet of how long disruption will last but it is likely to continue until at least 22:30"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 28, 2014, 22:00:28
    I believe there's a points failure at Southall (loss of detection) which affects the main lines.  Not helped by the closure of the relief lines for engineering works


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: autotank on December 28, 2014, 22:30:36
    I was held up by this - the 2027 RDG-PAD was 25 late in the end. On the plus side I got to travel some very rare track at Southall where we passed through the old Brentford branch platform and then corssed right over to the up relief!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 29, 2014, 05:25:20
    As discussed, weekend working relies in a lot of rest-day volunteers. Staff voted with their feet to show that they *do* want time off over Christmas, hence the staff shortages.

    Happens across the industry, no inquiry needed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 29, 2014, 05:42:28
    Yes, more staff do want time off over Christmas - no surprises there (and for the record that doesn't impact on my belief you could easily get enough volunteers for a skeleton Boxing Day if you paid a descent amount!).  The rostering should be robust enough to deal with that as there are only a certain number of drivers (or TM's) allowed to be off on a given day.  For example, just this week it looks like over 20 days of holiday requests have been declined at Oxford drivers depot alone!

    But a huge backlog of route and traction knowledge amongst established staff, and a large number of vacancies still to be filled is causing even more problems than it would normally do.  The fault for that lies squarely at FGW's door.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 29, 2014, 09:23:59
    I was held up by this - the 2027 RDG-PAD was 25 late in the end. On the plus side I got to travel some very rare track at Southall where we passed through the old Brentford branch platform and then corssed right over to the up relief!

    Have you highlighted the lines in your track plan booklet?

    I've not done it in the Up direction so i'm jealous, but have done it in the Down on a service train.

    i've also done it a couple of times on railtours to the Brentford branch.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 29, 2014, 09:28:34
    Yes, more staff do want time off over Christmas - no surprises there (and for the record that doesn't impact on my belief you could easily get enough volunteers for a skeleton Boxing Day if you paid a descent amount!).  The rostering should be robust enough to deal with that as there are only a certain number of drivers (or TM's) allowed to be off on a given day.  For example, just this week it looks like over 20 days of holiday requests have been declined at Oxford drivers depot alone!

    But a huge backlog of route and traction knowledge amongst established staff, and a large number of vacancies still to be filled is causing even more problems than it would normally do.  The fault for that lies squarely at FGW's door.

    Sounds to me like 6 of one and half dozen of the other - to an extent the tail is wagging the dog, in most situations the starting point is "we need to have enough staff to maintain the service" before any A/L is considered, but if there are not enough staff with the necessary skills to start with without relying on people giving up rest days then that becomes tricky.......agreed though, money talks, but again it comes down to having the right people available, not just lots of bodies....both sides probably need to consider their positions to find a solution....suspect staff will cling onto their "right" to have Xmas day/Boxing day off as of right however that's not sustainable in the longer term if the politicians/public demand a Boxing Day service (which they already are) and Xmas engineering possessions become less of an issue........sometime around 2100 then?  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 29, 2014, 14:38:37
    Yes, more staff do want time off over Christmas - no surprises there (and for the record that doesn't impact on my belief you could easily get enough volunteers for a skeleton Boxing Day if you paid a descent amount!).  The rostering should be robust enough to deal with that as there are only a certain number of drivers (or TM's) allowed to be off on a given day.  For example, just this week it looks like over 20 days of holiday requests have been declined at Oxford drivers depot alone!

    But a huge backlog of route and traction knowledge amongst established staff, and a large number of vacancies still to be filled is causing even more problems than it would normally do.  The fault for that lies squarely at FGW's door.

    Sounds to me like 6 of one and half dozen of the other - to an extent the tail is wagging the dog, in most situations the starting point is "we need to have enough staff to maintain the service" before any A/L is considered, but if there are not enough staff with the necessary skills to start with without relying on people giving up rest days then that becomes tricky.......agreed though, money talks, but again it comes down to having the right people available, not just lots of bodies....both sides probably need to consider their positions to find a solution....suspect staff will cling onto their "right" to have Xmas day/Boxing day off as of right however that's not sustainable in the longer term if the politicians/public demand a Boxing Day service (which they already are) and Xmas engineering possessions become less of an issue........sometime around 2100 then?  :D

    In that case I demand that Parliament sits on Boxing Day and all other business are open as normal, including schools, Banks et all


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 29, 2014, 15:00:25
    In that case I demand that Parliament sits on Boxing Day and all other business are open as normal, including schools, Banks et all

    And presumably all boxing rings? ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 29, 2014, 15:18:42
    Yes, more staff do want time off over Christmas - no surprises there (and for the record that doesn't impact on my belief you could easily get enough volunteers for a skeleton Boxing Day if you paid a descent amount!).  The rostering should be robust enough to deal with that as there are only a certain number of drivers (or TM's) allowed to be off on a given day.  For example, just this week it looks like over 20 days of holiday requests have been declined at Oxford drivers depot alone!

    But a huge backlog of route and traction knowledge amongst established staff, and a large number of vacancies still to be filled is causing even more problems than it would normally do.  The fault for that lies squarely at FGW's door.

    Sounds to me like 6 of one and half dozen of the other - to an extent the tail is wagging the dog, in most situations the starting point is "we need to have enough staff to maintain the service" before any A/L is considered, but if there are not enough staff with the necessary skills to start with without relying on people giving up rest days then that becomes tricky.......agreed though, money talks, but again it comes down to having the right people available, not just lots of bodies....both sides probably need to consider their positions to find a solution....suspect staff will cling onto their "right" to have Xmas day/Boxing day off as of right however that's not sustainable in the longer term if the politicians/public demand a Boxing Day service (which they already are) and Xmas engineering possessions become less of an issue........sometime around 2100 then?  :D

    In that case I demand that Parliament sits on Boxing Day and all other business are open as normal, including schools, Banks et all

    .....or you'll take your football home and then no-one will be able to play?

    Sorry but you're not remotely comparing apples with apples......but if you think its a valid argument the business of Government goes on 24/7/365....hospitals, defence, emergency services etc........Banks provide a service online and via ATM etc......they make adequate provision to cope with the nature of their customers demand........the railways, with a few exceptions, provide no service in the face of high demand......I am sure Nurses, soldiers, paramedics would all like 2 guaranteed, untouchable days off over Xmas but like the majority of us who have chosen to work in service organisations we realise that its not always possible so we get on with it as best we can. My last word on this subject anyway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 29, 2014, 15:25:34
    Agreed - just the definition of "reasonable" relating to payroll uplift that has to be agreed.

    Maybe the same as the majority of other staff that have to work over that day,. eh? :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 29, 2014, 18:48:52
    Read an interesting article in the paper tonight suggesting that in order to avoid this chaos a week long "shutdown" in August for engineering might be better than the 52 hour rush over Christmas - the idea being that there is more daylight to use, lots of people on holiday so less impact on commuters, and fewer "occasional" travellers going home/travelling long distance for a major event such as Christmas...........any thoughts on this?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 29, 2014, 18:56:57
    It would certainly need advertising at/before January each year.

    Interesting thought, though. Everyone would expect a week free on their season ticket....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on December 29, 2014, 19:02:15
    It is an interesting idea as long as it was advertised a long time in advance... It think it would still affect commuters more though as I bet more take time off over Christmas than on a random week in August since the "summer holidays" are longer than the Christmas holidays.. I think it might be a no go though for longer distance travellers..

    There are certain places where it's easy to get alternative trains/buses but some where it's not...

    From Maidenhead e.g. there is a bus that goes to Heathrow (to connect with the tube if it's running), plus High Wycombe and Bracknell on other train lines are 10 miles away (in opposite directions) though the buses to get to Bracknell in particular are rather non existent.. 

    It would need to be carefully thought out obviously but it's not impossible and if it removed the chaos of Saturday well why not at least work out if it's feasible..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 29, 2014, 19:15:34
    It is an interesting idea as long as it was advertised a long time in advance... It think it would still affect commuters more though as I bet more take time off over Christmas than on a random week in August since the "summer holidays" are longer than the Christmas holidays.. I think it might be a no go though for longer distance travellers..

    There are certain places where it's easy to get alternative trains/buses but some where it's not...

    From Maidenhead e.g. there is a bus that goes to Heathrow (to connect with the tube if it's running), plus High Wycombe and Bracknell on other train lines are 10 miles away (in opposite directions) though the buses to get to Bracknell in particular are rather non existent.. 

    It would need to be carefully thought out obviously but it's not impossible and if it removed the chaos of Saturday well why not at least work out if it's feasible..

    (Very) simplistically for the Thames Valley - commuters via Reading use the Waterloo line as can those from Slough via Windsor/Datchet (slow but doable) - Tubes run from Chesham, Uxbridge, Heathrow into town and as you say there are various buses from larger commuter centres such as Maidenhead which could be beefed up giving quite a few options- loads of buses doing nothing in August whilst the schools are off..........not sure about the longer distance services.......use Reading as a terminus for services to the Westcountry/Wales with a reduced service? (if the work is taking place between Reading/Paddington? .........very much back of a fag packet stuff but I'm sure someone with more expertise than me can comment on practicalities?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on December 29, 2014, 20:15:53
    Isn't this what Network Rail wanted to do around Watford this year? And everyone got up in arms and said it wasn't right so they changed it to a much longer series of weekend possessions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 29, 2014, 21:13:53
    There are certain places where it's easy to get alternative trains/buses but some where it's not...

    I'm reminded of the Thameslink "Alternatives available if the trains aren't running" maps.
    http://www.thameslinkrailway.com/your-journey/planning/alt-maps-tl/
    and see attachment example on this post.

    Is there a similar map for the Thames Valley or for any other FGW areas?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 29, 2014, 21:39:57
    Isn't this what Network Rail wanted to do around Watford this year? And everyone got up in arms and said it wasn't right so they changed it to a much longer series of weekend possessions.
    Yep.

    I think doing work in August is the way ahead for big engineering projects so long as good alternatives are provide be it diverted services or express coach services. We are going to see work taking place next July and August when Box Tunnel and Sydney Gardens in Bath is wired giving us a chance to see how well it works.

    The important thing is to give as much notice as possible along with details of a revised timetables, ticket easements etc.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 29, 2014, 22:02:58
    Graham in the case of the TLP London Bridge blockage alternatives this is easier south of the Thames the Victorians left a myriad of cross connecting routes, also TLP have been working away improving these divisions for the best part of 10 years, most of it was needed anyway.

    TLP is a big and well established team as I said almost 10 years and I do mean team it is a very collaborative set up if you walk in the offices you would not at first glace identify NR staff from the contractors staff, indeed normally rival contractors sit side by side.

    The Reading blockades did have alternatives set up which worked well, it gets more difficult once you get east of Reading to do a full 4 track closure, reopen the Maidenhead - High Wycombe line? build the Windsor link? I have done the Maidenhead to London Waterloo a few times, an odd occasion is ok to do it every day for 2 weeks folks would loose the will to live


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on December 30, 2014, 22:35:09
    Yes, more staff do want time off over Christmas - no surprises there (and for the record that doesn't impact on my belief you could easily get enough volunteers for a skeleton Boxing Day if you paid a descent amount!).  The rostering should be robust enough to deal with that as there are only a certain number of drivers (or TM's) allowed to be off on a given day.  For example, just this week it looks like over 20 days of holiday requests have been declined at Oxford drivers depot alone!

    But a huge backlog of route and traction knowledge amongst established staff, and a large number of vacancies still to be filled is causing even more problems than it would normally do.  The fault for that lies squarely at FGW's door.

    Sounds to me like 6 of one and half dozen of the other - to an extent the tail is wagging the dog, in most situations the starting point is "we need to have enough staff to maintain the service" before any A/L is considered, but if there are not enough staff with the necessary skills to start with without relying on people giving up rest days then that becomes tricky.......agreed though, money talks, but again it comes down to having the right people available, not just lots of bodies....both sides probably need to consider their positions to find a solution....suspect staff will cling onto their "right" to have Xmas day/Boxing day off as of right however that's not sustainable in the longer term if the politicians/public demand a Boxing Day service (which they already are) and Xmas engineering possessions become less of an issue........sometime around 2100 then?  :D

    At each depot establishments are calculated by adding in the service that needs covering + spare coverage + standby coverage + annual leave requirement and then rounded up.

    Annual leave is a red herring, as a minimum number allowed off is agreed and built as part of the link (usually 15% at any one time).  I don't know any service/catering/retail industry that would say "oh sorry we cannot cover xyz so your annual leave is cancelled".  Extra leave will of course be granted but only if the service is covered.

    Of course if there are vacancies in the link and not enough overtime volunteers or training hasn't happened for route/traction then you start getting uncovered turns.  Then add the fact that more people are sick this time of year (genuinely) and no doubt the odd extra case that may not be genuine (a problem that is faced by all service industries in the winter/xmas time), and you have problems.  Apart from the odd case who may not be genuinely sick, those problems are not caused by operational staff, but the recruitment policies and higher management off them.

    You have drivers who are moving from West & LTV depots to HSS to allow a full service to run on HSS while IEP training happens, and there is a massive recruitment programme going on across all depots and business areas for the long-term, but training drivers takes approximately a year if not longer, and whether you like or not, the current running of the railway means decisions will be made with money in mind from both a FGW (business/profit view) and a DfT/taxpayer view (deficit reduction anyone?)

    Ultimately though, if depots were fully trained on traction/routes required and all vacancies fully filled then you wouldn't see this problem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 02, 2015, 14:16:05
    ....someone just sent me this, made me chuckle! (perhaps each station could be equipped with one to pass the time!)  :)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 03, 2015, 07:59:22
    Afraid i'm not really into model buses but i like the idea.

    On a more serious note has anyone seen the structure they've put up to hang signal S132 Down Relief at A4 Dumb Bell bridge Taplow. You'll only se it from the train if you on the Up Relief looking towards the main line.

    However it's visable form teh A4 going West just before the bridge.

    Over-Head Line Equipment  (OHLE) compliant!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 03, 2015, 08:35:24
    A few others were replaced between Maidenhead and West Drayton using the same  design over the Christmas break.  A different design, encompassing a 'proper' gantry, are being used on similar signals between Reading and Didcot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 03, 2015, 08:53:49
    On a more serious note has anyone seen the structure they've put up to hang signal S132 Down Relief at A4 Dumb Bell bridge Taplow. You'll only se it from the train if you on the Up Relief looking towards the main line.

    However it's visable form teh A4 going West just before the bridge.

    OHLE compliant!

    Yes, one of the advantages of LED signal lamps they don't need the wick trimming of filling with paraffin :D seriously even over tungsten lamps LED's will last 10 years or more any maintenance can be done from MEWP's

    A few others were replaced between Maidenhead and West Drayton using the same  design over the Christmas break.  A different design, encompassing a 'proper' gantry, are being used on similar signals between Reading and Didcot.

    The great dividing line between Crossrail and the rest of the Route  ::)  The Crossrail route between Maidenhead and Paddington is having a ETCS system with ATO potential being developed by the Thameslink signalling team for introduction at the end of the decade.  It is seen as the next step to increase line capacity, it could be all wayside signals between possibly Reading and Paddington could be abolished by 2025!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 03, 2015, 13:25:30
    The great dividing line between Crossrail and the rest of the Route  ::)  The Crossrail route between Maidenhead and Paddington is having a ETCS system with ATO potential being developed by the Thameslink signalling team for introduction at the end of the decade.  It is seen as the next step to increase line capacity, it could be all wayside signals between possibly Reading and Paddington could be abolished by 2025!
    ETCS is going further than that - the 2013 Route Plan said:

    ETCS on Western Route: CP5 strategy and implementation
    CP5 delivery of ETCS on Western Route comprises:
    Western key output 5: ETCS level 2 overlay Paddington to Heathrow by September 2017
    Western key output 7: ETCS overlay Paddington to Bristol by July 2019
    Western key output 8: all trains ETCS fitted/Lineside Signals removed ^ by December 2025

    Unless that's slipped already ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 03, 2015, 15:31:27
    The great dividing line between Crossrail and the rest of the Route  ::)  The Crossrail route between Maidenhead and Paddington is having a ETCS system with ATO potential being developed by the Thameslink signalling team for introduction at the end of the decade.  It is seen as the next step to increase line capacity, it could be all wayside signals between possibly Reading and Paddington could be abolished by 2025!
    ETCS is going further than that - the 2013 Route Plan said:

    ETCS on Western Route: CP5 strategy and implementation
    CP5 delivery of ETCS on Western Route comprises:
    Western key output 5: ETCS level 2 overlay Paddington to Heathrow by September 2017
    Western key output 7: ETCS overlay Paddington to Bristol by July 2019
    Western key output 8: all trains ETCS fitted/Lineside Signals removed ^ by December 2025

    Unless that's slipped already ...

    You are probably correct with the dates, I know the TLP ETCS development team are also doing development work for Crossrail on the Western.  There is very little in the way of wayside or track equipment its all in the software and train mounted equipment


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on January 03, 2015, 17:05:49
    There is very little in the way of wayside or track equipment its all in the software and train mounted equipment

    I don't wish to be a Luddite, but could it be that the increased complexity of the train-borne equipment will lead to lower train reliability? Will this cancel out the greater reliability of the reduced quantity of line-side equipment?

    And, as an aside, who will be responsible for looking after the train-borne equipment? The running maintenance depots or the signalling fraternity?

    The on-board ETCS kit is a bit more complex than the AWS/TPWS kit and essentially means that significant parts of the signalling kit is moved from the lineside to the train. This seems to me to be a significant change - is there sufficient experience from the Cambrian trial to assist this changeover to be made smoothly?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 03, 2015, 18:08:37
    Yes but a train goes to a depot for maintenance and while it is undergoing maintenance it is not stopping other trains running.  If if does break in service then at least if all else fails it can be dragged out of the way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 03, 2015, 18:35:51
    There is very little in the way of wayside or track equipment its all in the software and train mounted equipment

    I don't wish to be a Luddite, but could it be that the increased complexity of the train-borne equipment will lead to lower train reliability? Will this cancel out the greater reliability of the reduced quantity of line-side equipment?

    And, as an aside, who will be responsible for looking after the train-borne equipment? The running maintenance depots or the signalling fraternity?

    The on-board ETCS kit is a bit more complex than the AWS/TPWS kit and essentially means that significant parts of the signalling kit is moved from the lineside to the train. This seems to me to be a significant change - is there sufficient experience from the Cambrian trial to assist this changeover to be made smoothly?

    If a single traction unit has an ETCS failure then there are procedures to allow it to proceed under caution driver and signaller using GSM(R) (railway cell phone system) to communicate.
    Even with a complete ETCS system failure drivers and signallers fall back to the time old method of talking trains through using GSM(R) and use wayside markers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 03, 2015, 18:56:10
    I don't wish to be a Luddite, but could it be that the increased complexity of the train-borne equipment will lead to lower train reliability?

    I was going to answer and comment that we've seen that already, with services cancelled due to failures such as speedometer and windscreen wipers, which many steam engines never had, I don't think.   We also had a cancellation due to the failure of cab heater the other week - I was going to add that to my list of 'new failure opportunities', but then realised that if the kettle went off the boil on a steam engine, it was more of  problem than just keeping warm.

    edit to sort out quoting


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 03, 2015, 19:53:12
    I don't wish to be a Luddite, but could it be that the increased complexity of the train-borne equipment will lead to lower train reliability?

    I was going to answer and comment that we've seen that already, with services cancelled due to failures such as speedometer and windscreen wipers, which many steam engines never had, I don't think.   We also had a cancellation due to the failure of cab heater the other week - I was going to add that to my list of 'new failure opportunities', but then realised that if the kettle went off the boil on a steam engine, it was more of  problem than just keeping warm.

    edit to sort out quoting

    Ah with the way DfT contract the provision of rolling stock now the train manufactures / maintainer have to present a train ready for service to the TOC if its not presented fit they don't get paid ............. what can possibly go wrong with this arrangement  ::) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 03, 2015, 20:05:28
    I don't wish to be a Luddite, but could it be that the increased complexity of the train-borne equipment will lead to lower train reliability?

    I was going to answer and comment that we've seen that already, with services cancelled due to failures such as speedometer and windscreen wipers, which many steam engines never had, I don't think.   We also had a cancellation due to the failure of cab heater the other week - I was going to add that to my list of 'new failure opportunities', but then realised that if the kettle went off the boil on a steam engine, it was more of  problem than just keeping warm.

    edit to sort out quoting

    In aviation circles, it is said that the main advantage of a twin-engined aircraft over a single-engined model is that it doubles the chances of engine failure. I am sure that the new kit will bring with it many "new failure opportunities", although it must be said that the current kit has not been short of such opportunities of late, nor that it has failed to grasp such opportunity with enthusiasm!

    That aside, one must move with the times. If the new kit is like any other computer-based system, it will be modular, to allow for easy repair.  Software upgrades will be regular, to screw every last bit of performance out of the new systems, with duplication of safety-critical parts. One can expect constant monitoring of systems, with backroom analysis driving forward improvements and efficiencies on the IEP trains.

    Might be prudent to take a pack of detonators and a selection of flags along too, just in case...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 03, 2015, 20:08:20
    Ah with the way DfT contract the provision of rolling stock now the train manufactures / maintainer have to present a train ready for service to the TOC if its not presented fit they don't get paid ............. what can possibly go wrong with this arrangement  ::) ;D

    The TOC presumably uses the money saved to instantly hire another train from someone else just in time to run the service with no disruption to passengers!  ;D ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 04, 2015, 11:47:46
    That aside, one must move with the times. If the new kit is like any other computer-based system, it will be modular, to allow for easy repair.  Software upgrades will be regular, to screw every last bit of performance out of the new systems, with duplication of safety-critical parts. One can expect constant monitoring of systems, with backroom analysis driving forward improvements and efficiencies on the IEP trains.

    Might be prudent to take a pack of detonators and a selection of flags along too, just in case...

    Not so sure about you optimism about software upgrades. It's going to be mammoth task to upgrade all the trains and the operaing centres simultaneously. Look at the mess the Dutch and Belgians got into on the Amsterdam Brussels HSL with different versions of the software in each country.

    So detonators and flags it is.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2015, 11:58:29
    Not so sure about you optimism about software upgrades. It's going to be mammoth task to upgrade all the trains and the operaing centres simultaneously.

    Can't see simultaneous software upgrades being a problem in the 2020s with the technology already making it possible to upload data onto trains wirelessly in a very short space of time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on January 04, 2015, 15:15:00
    Not so sure about you optimism about software upgrades. It's going to be mammoth task to upgrade all the trains and the operaing centres simultaneously.

    Can't see simultaneous software upgrades being a problem in the 2020s with the technology already making it possible to upload data onto trains wirelessly in a very short space of time.

    Most gadgets now use OTA (Over The Air) updates. No reason this can't be applied here.

    Although there is a bit more at stake if something goes wrong...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 04, 2015, 19:43:30
    Not so sure about you optimism about software upgrades. It's going to be mammoth task to upgrade all the trains and the operaing centres simultaneously.

    Can't see simultaneous software upgrades being a problem in the 2020s with the technology already making it possible to upload data onto trains wirelessly in a very short space of time.

    My thoughts too. Will the 25Kv line have the capability to carry data, like National Grid's stuff has? If so, the train could pull out of Chippenham on Windows 97, and arrive at Bath running 8.1 (with service patch).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on January 04, 2015, 19:50:02
    If so, the train could pull out of Chippenham on Windows 97, and arrive at Bath running 8.1 (with service patch).

    If it's Windows, the train will crash during the update.  :P ;) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 04, 2015, 20:06:15
    Not so sure about you optimism about software upgrades. It's going to be mammoth task to upgrade all the trains and the operaing centres simultaneously.

    Can't see simultaneous software upgrades being a problem in the 2020s with the technology already making it possible to upload data onto trains wirelessly in a very short space of time.

    My thoughts too. Will the 25Kv line have the capability to carry data, like National Grid's stuff has? If so, the train could pull out of Chippenham on Windows 97, and arrive at Bath running 8.1 (with service patch).
    If so, the train could pull out of Chippenham on Windows 97, and arrive at Bath running 8.1 (with service patch).

    Data is not transmitted over the 25kV cables, the control of the traction system is sent over the internal railway fibre network

    If it's Windows, the train will crash during the update.  :P ;) ;D

    Strange you should mention Windows :) one of the ECR's has just had its SCADA top end computers replaced with a Windows 7 based architecture

    Apart from a few dc traction ECR's still using 1950/60's electromechanical systems a couple are using a DOS based architecture on 386 computers  :o :o

    There is a National SCADA project underway, which GWEP is part of, to upgrade all the ECR top ends and replace all the electromechanical systems.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 04, 2015, 21:07:10

    Strange you should mention Windows :) one of the ECR's has just had its SCADA top end computers replaced with a Windows 7 based architecture

    Apart from a few dc traction ECR's still using 1950/60's electromechanical systems a couple are using a DOS based architecture on 386 computers  :o :o

    There is a National SCADA project underway, which GWEP is part of, to upgrade all the ECR top ends and replace all the electromechanical systems.



    Nothing wrong with DOS, as an operating system if it does what you want it to do. Much of Windows will be irrelevant padding for railway control system programmes, so why not keep it simple?

    By electro-mechanical systems, are we talking about the sorts of things with slow running motors turning eccentric cams to open and shut microswitches to run a sequence of events? I worked in an amusement arcade in Blackpool in the latter part of the 17th century, and had experience of such things in pinball machines and the electric fruit machines. That bit of the machine worked solidly and uncomplainingly, whilst everything else went wrong for a pastime.   Apparently, a similar device controlled the Soyuz that linked with Apollo in the 1970s.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 04, 2015, 23:26:15
    SCDA? ECR?

    I like relays you can hear them working!

    As my cousin says who works on ITSO cards, "Never Trust Electronics"

    Still not sure that software upgrades will be easy even with OTA. Think of a Vomiter on the Penzance Aberdeen run.

    Not sure how many control centres that will go through, which will presumably have to be upgraded simultainiously (overnight). What happens to any night trains will they all have to stop and reboot at the same time? Needs thinking about.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 05, 2015, 09:35:39
    Back on topic....

    Journeycheck text has signal problems twixt Oxford & Paddington....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 05, 2015, 11:15:14
    Back on topic....

    Journeycheck text has signal problems twixt Oxford & Paddington....

    ...........it's a New Year but some things stay the same.............

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington Due to signalling problems between Slough and London Paddington some London bound relief lines are disrupted.

    Impact:

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on January 05, 2015, 11:26:26

    In aviation circles, it is said that the main advantage of a twin-engined aircraft over a single-engined model is that it doubles the chances of engine failure...


    In some aviation circles, maybe. I think it was David Learmount of Flight International who, when asked why he preferred to fly in four-engined airliners, replied 'Because there are no five-engined airliners'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 05, 2015, 12:22:54
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    Back to normal now and limited disruption anyway of around 5-15 minutes on relief line services.  Can't see any cancellations as a result, though Langley, Iver and West Drayton, Hayes, Southall and Ealing stops were removed from some trains (and inserted into the next train 15 or so minutes later), mostly in the London bound direction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on January 05, 2015, 16:05:50
    The service has worsened since the previous post, with about a dozen cancelations and many trains serving only part of the route. Some of the problems are signalling related but most seem to be due to a person hit by a train :(

    edit to add, latest reports suggest that the victim fell from a bridge onto the railway and was not struck by a train, still very sad no matter what the exact circumstances


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on January 05, 2015, 16:54:27
    The service has worsened since the previous post, with about a dozen cancelations and many trains serving only part of the route. Some of the problems are signalling related but most seem to be due to a person hit by a train :(

    Woman found injured at lineside at Wantage Road, lunchtime today  :( Service was reportedly 11:36 Padd - Cheltenham

    http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/11702388.Person_hit_by_train_between_Didcot_Parkway_and_Swindon/?ref=mr


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 05, 2015, 17:17:31
    See other thread - Not hit by train, but fell from bridge & not hit by train


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on January 05, 2015, 18:26:00
    Correct - subsequently read update on another forum.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 05, 2015, 20:11:47
    Points failure now at Twyford, it seems that at least a couple of trains have been stuck on the Mains for about 30 minutes so far, and it would appear from Twitter that Reading West MP Alok Sharma is on one of them...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 05, 2015, 20:55:07
    SCDA? ECR?

    SCADA (System Control and Data Acquisition) is the system used in an ECR (Electrical Control Room) by ECRO (Electrical Control Room Operators) to control the traction power system. 

    The first ECR in modern times on the GWML was at ????????? ............................ Slough New; in ancient times (1908 to around the 1950's) of the GWR they have substation control based at Park Royal Power Station (yes the GWR did have its own power station) Old Oak Common Substation, Hammersmith Substation and Royal Oak Substation, I used to work with a couple of men that work in them until they were redeployed to general maintenance in the 60's


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Super Guard on January 07, 2015, 09:29:40
    Points failure now at Twyford, it seems that at least a couple of trains have been stuck on the Mains for about 30 minutes so far, and it would appear from Twitter that Reading West MP Alok Sharma is on one of them...


    At least he has time to converse with his fellow constituents about his policies with the upcoming election on the horizon - he should welcome such an opportunity  ;) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 07, 2015, 09:35:57
    Points failure now at Twyford, it seems that at least a couple of trains have been stuck on the Mains for about 30 minutes so far, and it would appear from Twitter that Reading West MP Alok Sharma is on one of them...


    At least he has time to converse with his fellow constituents about his policies with the upcoming election on the horizon - he should welcome such an opportunity  ;) ;D

    Mmm...a captive audience for a personal party political briefing...so glad I'm not on that train!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 07, 2015, 10:19:35
    Talking of captive audiences, someone I know and follow on Twitter is reporting that Mark Hopwood has been spotted on her train which has been delayed due to this morning's fatality at EAL, but he's apparently keeping passengers updated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on January 07, 2015, 10:59:54
    I'm also on a service delayed by the fatality at Ealing Broadway. We have FGWs head of communication Dan Panes on our train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 07, 2015, 18:38:40
    I'm also on a service delayed by the fatality at Ealing Broadway. We have FGWs head of communication Dan Panes on our train.

    .....did he keep you informed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2015, 11:16:39
    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington Following signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines have now reopened.
    Impact:

    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 11:00 24/01.

    ..........certainly giving themselves a bit of breathing space! (unless it's a typo!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 23, 2015, 12:31:34
    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington

    I was half an hour late initially due to points failure near Ealing Broadway and then another points failure outside of Paddington, putting platforms 2&3 out of use.
    All as reported by the train manager.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 23, 2015, 13:07:33
    18 mins late on the 7.08 Maidenhead-->Paddington.  No word from TM until arrival.

    The positive was that all of the annoying people who pile through unhindered from standard to first class as soon as we cross the M25 in order to gain an extra 30 metres had to stand for 25mins.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 23, 2015, 13:34:38
    The positive was that all of the annoying people who pile through unhindered from standard to first class as soon as we cross the M25 in order to gain an extra 30 metres had to stand for 25mins.


    Hah! Serves 'em right! :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2015, 14:37:06
     Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:02 Delays to services between London Paddington and Southall Due to a train fault between London Paddington and Southall the Reading bound main line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. For the latest rail travel news, why not follow us on Twitter @FGW.

     Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:23 Delays to services at London Paddington Due to signalling problems at London Paddington:
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 15:00 23/01. Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:34


    .............and there was me thinking things were going quite well this month so far!!!  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on January 23, 2015, 15:47:48
    Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:02 Delays to services between London Paddington and Southall Due to a train fault between London Paddington and Southall the Reading bound main line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. For the latest rail travel news, why not follow us on Twitter @FGW.

     Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:23 Delays to services at London Paddington Due to signalling problems at London Paddington:
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 15:00 23/01. Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:34

    .............and there was me thinking things were going quite well this month so far!!!  ::)

    Looks like the 14:00 PAD to BRI failed at Acton. Terminated at Reading 41 late.

    And of course it would all happen on the same day after a period of relatively easy running.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 23, 2015, 22:22:10
    Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:02 Delays to services between London Paddington and Southall Due to a train fault between London Paddington and Southall the Reading bound main line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. For the latest rail travel news, why not follow us on Twitter @FGW.

     Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:23 Delays to services at London Paddington Due to signalling problems at London Paddington:
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 15:00 23/01. Last Updated :23/01/2015 14:34

    .............and there was me thinking things were going quite well this month so far!!!  ::)

    Looks like the 14:00 PAD to BRI failed at Acton. Terminated at Reading 41 late.

    And of course it would all happen on the same day after a period of relatively easy running.  ;D

    Smoke was reported emanating from the rear power car.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 30, 2015, 16:32:16
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound fast line.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

    Ho hum.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 30, 2015, 17:41:46
    Actually two problems.  Both between London and Slough on the Down Main.  A misbehaving signal at Southall and a track circuit sulking at Langley.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on February 06, 2015, 19:46:03
    Just had a quick glance at FGW's Twitter feed - looks like there's a signalling problem tonight at Ladbroke Grove, plus the 1858 stopper to RDG from PAD was terminated at EAL due to a cracked windscreen and the 1922 PAD-HFD has suffered a 'major fuel leak' before departure.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 16, 2015, 18:13:19
    It's not a signalling problem but everything is running slow out of Paddington this evening. Bust doors on a service at southall. Nothing on journeycheck but trust me it's there. 20min delay so far.

    I also had a 50min delay (on 20min service) this morning as the 7.08 Maidenhead to Paddington broke down 10ft from its destination.

    Journecheck and others aren't picking these incidents up these days. Has their tolerance been adjusted??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 16, 2015, 20:48:34
    I also had a 50min delay (on 20min service) this morning as the 7.08 Maidenhead to Paddington broke down 10ft from its destination.

    And in doing so blocked both platforms 8 and 9 for a while. At the same time platform 1 was occupied for an hour longer than normal due to problems with the empty sleeper stock.  Gave the signallers a few headaches I should imagine.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 17, 2015, 18:32:28
    And again tonight, the lines out of Paddington are painfully slow but journeycheck says everything is cushty. Does anyone have any insight on why the rose coloured glasses are being applied to (what I thought was) an independent service?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on February 17, 2015, 19:18:25
    And again tonight, the lines out of Paddington are painfully slow but journeycheck says everything is cushty. Does anyone have any insight on why the rose coloured glasses are being applied to (what I thought was) an independent service?
    Just wondering if slow running is down to the increased amount of freight due to the Banbury - Lamington route being closed, the WTT may have been adjusted to account for this increase in freight hence the Real Time Trains and FGW own train running apps will not show a problem


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 17, 2015, 19:53:06
    A track circuit failure near Twyford affecting London bound trains and a signal failure in the Hanwell area (a repeat of the same fault from a few days ago) affecting trains leaving London are the two problems being attributed to delays this evening.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2015, 21:12:59
    Journeycheck has never been an independent service - the info us input to it by the operator


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2015, 08:24:32
    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead
    Due to signalling problems at Maidenhead some London bound relief lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/02

    ..........lots of cancellations and delays this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 18, 2015, 08:44:49
    The points between platform 4 and 5 at Maidenhead have failed.  London bound relief line closed between Twyford and Slough.
    No London bound trains will call at stations Twyford to Slough so they can provide as much capacity as possible although I've heard that the fault with the points has just been rectified.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 23, 2015, 16:15:22
    23rd February 2015

    Delays between London Paddington and Reading until at least 17:00

    A signalling problem at West Drayton is causing delays of up to 30 minutes to trains between London Paddington and Reading.There is no firm estimate yet of how long disruption will last but it is likely to continue until at least 17:00.

    You can follow this incident using the hashtag #WestDrayton

    [ Twitter messages say between Hayes and Iver ]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 24, 2015, 08:58:02
    15 minutes lost between Reading and Maidenhead this morning on Paddington bound service.
    This was due to congestion due to a late running freight train, apparently.
    It's great that the entire morning peak commute is second class to freight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 24, 2015, 09:29:56
    15 minutes lost between Reading and Maidenhead this morning on Paddington bound service.
    This was due to congestion due to a late running freight train, apparently.
    It's great that the entire morning peak commute is second class to freight.

    The freight train activated a piece of equipment fitted to the track which detects wheelset faults.  The freight train was then allowed to proceed at a slow speed which then causes congestion behind it.

    As I've said before, freight trains shouldn't be making there way towards London during the morning peak.  There simply isn't the space.

    EDIT:  And now they've got a broken rail at Maidenhead.  Might be a coincidence, but this has happened after freight train with a defective wheel had recently passed through the area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 24, 2015, 09:33:31
    If they're given a path by Network Rail (NR), of course there is.

    So FGW trains don't fault on that stretch then?....news to me.'

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 24, 2015, 09:38:48
    If they're given a path by Network Rail (NR), of course there is.

    There are passenger trains delayed every single day by the same freight trains.  The paths they've been allocated are not achievable.  In our opinion, Network Rail (NR) hope that the freight train is delayed prior to reaching the Reading area so that they can then lay the delay minutes to another train operator.

    Quote
    So FGW trains don't fault on that stretch then?....news to me.

    Our trains fail, course they do.  But what should be the priority at peak times, passengers or freight?


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on February 24, 2015, 10:01:24
    There are passenger trains delayed every single day by the same freight trains.  The paths they've been allocated are not achievable.  In our opinion, NR hope that the freight train is delayed prior to reaching the Reading area so that they can then lay the delay minutes to another train operator.

    Who is/are 'our'? Is that an official/public FGW opinion?

    Our trains fail, course they do.  But what should be the priority at peak times, passengers or freight?

    Neither. Both have paid their access fees, so should be fairly treated on that basis.

    Personally, I would rather see slightly slower commuter trains and more freight on the railways, with less lorries on the roads, the latter being the cause of more congestion, more severe accidents and more damage to road infrastructure than cars.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 24, 2015, 11:50:56
    There are passenger trains delayed every single day by the same freight trains.  The paths they've been allocated are not achievable.  In our opinion, NR hope that the freight train is delayed prior to reaching the Reading area so that they can then lay the delay minutes to another train operator.

    Who is/are 'our'? Is that an official/public FGW opinion?

    OK, I'll correct that.  It's my own personal opinion which does not reflect that of FGW or any another TOC or FOC.


    Our trains fail, course they do.  But what should be the priority at peak times, passengers or freight?

    Quote
    Neither. Both have paid their access fees, so should be fairly treated on that basis.

    Personally, I would rather see slightly slower commuter trains and more freight on the railways, with less lorries on the roads, the latter being the cause of more congestion, more severe accidents and more damage to road infrastructure than cars.

    You're partially correct in what you're saying.  Unfortunately the fees paid by the freight companies does not totally cover the damage they cause to the infrastructure in terms of increased maintenance and renewals.  They rest of that cost is actually paid for by passengers which I believe is unfair.  However, charging them more would actually make freight by rail uncompetitive against road.
    Personally I would like to see more freight on the rails but this shouldn't be done at the expense of the passenger in terms of punctuality and cost.  There is a time and place when freight trains should run and its not during the peaks especially on what is already described as a highly congested route into London.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on February 24, 2015, 13:01:41
    There are passenger trains delayed every single day by the same freight trains.  The paths they've been allocated are not achievable.  In our opinion, NR hope that the freight train is delayed prior to reaching the Reading area so that they can then lay the delay minutes to another train operator.

    Who is/are 'our'? Is that an official/public FGW opinion?

    OK, I'll correct that.  It's own personal opinion which does not reflect that of FGW or any another TOC or FOC.

    Sorry for potentially sounding picky, but wanted to clarify this, given your username...!


    Neither. Both have paid their access fees, so should be fairly treated on that basis.
    Personally, I would rather see slightly slower commuter trains and more freight on the railways, with less lorries on the roads, the latter being the cause of more congestion, more severe accidents and more damage to road infrastructure than cars.
    You're partially correct in what you're saying.  Unfortunately the fees paid by the freight companies does not totally cover the damage they cause to the infrastructure in terms of increased maintenance and renewals.  They rest of that cost is actually paid for by passengers which I believe is unfair.  However, charging them more would actually make freight by rail uncompetitive against road.
    Personally I would like to see more freight on the rails but this shouldn't be done at the expense of the passenger in terms of punctuality and cost.  There is a time and place when freight trains should run and its not during the peaks especially on what is already described as a highly congested route into London.

    I see, I didn't know they generally caused more wear & tear than they paid for. Could this wear & tear be mitigated by better maintenance of wagons/locos? Are there available paths that could accommodate these 'peak' freight trains without impacting on overnight maintenance and so on?

    Glad to see the rail passengers fund some freight though - it helps everyone else by removing some lorries from the roads and mitigates some of the subsidy the non-train using population is forced to fund!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 24, 2015, 16:32:46
    No, you're not being picky!  I fully understand where you are coming from.

    To back up what I said, here's a link from the ORR. 
    http://orr.gov.uk/news-and-media/press-releases/2013/rail-freight-charges-to-better-reflect-costs-and-give-industry-clarity-to-plan-for-the-future-orr

    "Over the past decade the regulator has supported an almost 10% increase in freight traffic on Britain's rail network by allowing greater access for freight services and setting targets for Network Rail to deliver improved reliability. However, under the current regime, freight companies only pay a small proportion of the costs they create using the network ^ and we need to redress this balance. ^

    ^ Today, we have confirmed new charges for freight operators, to be gradually introduced from 2016, which better reflect the costs created by running freight services on the rail network and provide early certainty for business to plan for the future. The new charges, capped at manageable levels, will mean freight operators paying, at most, a third of the costs their services create. This will help to ease some of the burden from taxpayers' and passengers' shoulders. ^


    I honestly don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to the standard of maintenance when it comes to freight wagons so I can't really comment on that. Overnight paths?  not with the current level of engineering works. 
    I suppose you've got to wait until Easter when Reading Station works are fully completed before you can really judge the impact of freight trains between Reading and Acton.  At the moment any train coming up through Reading West, goes through Reading station platform 7 & 8 and then has to crossover at the east end of the station blocking all 4 lines. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on February 24, 2015, 19:42:40
    Lets not forget that under normal circumstances there are no (or very few) peak flow freights between Acton and Reading, the recent squash of trains on the reliefs being down to Harbury, and the exceptionally long diversion of the Bicester COD to Didcot service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 24, 2015, 15:17:00
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Maidenhead

    Due to signalling problems between Slough and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound main line.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.
    Additional Information:
    Rail Ticket Holders may also travel on First Berkshire Buses during this disruption, if you wish to use local buses as an alternative means of transport and the local bus is not accepting First Great Western tickets, please keep the bus ticket and send it, together with your rail ticket, to us for a refund. Ticket acceptance will remain in place until further notice


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 24, 2015, 15:21:04
    I hope the refund is in cash in this case, not vouchers


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 01, 2015, 18:46:42
    It's not a signal failure causing chaos this evening but rather a broken down train. The 18.18 Padd to Oxford failed in the depot.

    It was eventually resurrected but with an amended calling plan. Several points of mayhem:

    As anyone who knows this service knows it is 99% Maidenhead passengers. In fact it is nigh on empty after Maidenhead. So a big round of applause for the decision to axe Maidenhead on the amended plan. It went out totally empty.

    Well done also for not announcing the train failure whilst the 18.12 Henley train was available. That would have provided some relief.

    Instead the world and his brothers are dangerously overcrowded on the 18.42 to Bourne end. A slow service at the best of times and tonight it's an abhorrent one too.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on April 02, 2015, 14:22:24
    As anyone who knows this service knows it is 99% Maidenhead passengers. In fact it is nigh on empty after Maidenhead. So a big round of applause for the decision to axe Maidenhead on the amended plan. It went out totally empty.

    Well done also for not announcing the train failure whilst the 18.12 Henley train was available. That would have provided some relief.

    Instead the world and his brothers are dangerously overcrowded on the 18.42 to Bourne end. A slow service at the best of times and tonight it's an abhorrent one too.

    Large slice of Irony pie please.....
    The 18.42 was v unpleasant.
    Not to mention a 40 minute delay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on April 23, 2015, 08:04:16
    Problems at Airport Junction this morning with a points failure. Relief lines are blocked.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on April 23, 2015, 08:24:53
    Nick B and Western Enterprise do seem to have highlighted a problem which seems to be endemic at Paddington that of failing to give timely information on cancelled/late trains and late indication of platforms for particular services, especialy at times of disruptions.

    The latter problem applies particulary to Platfom 13/4 even when services are running normally. It  has it's own thread already.

    Presumably there are too many links in the chain. OOC depot, Swindon control (both FGW), TVSC (Network Rail) and Paddington both Network Rail/FGW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 23, 2015, 08:42:00
    Problems at Airport Junction this morning with a points failure. Relief lines are blocked.

    ........well there is a "y" in the day after all.

    .....how about a FGW Coffeeshop Forum sweepstake on the first date that there isn't a signal meltdown? Anyone feeling brave?  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 23, 2015, 09:21:12
    Nick B and Western Enterprise do seem to have highlighted a problem which seems to be endemic at Paddington that of failing to give timely information on cancelled/late trains and late indication of platforms for particular services, especialy at times of disruptions

    The 17:49 departure (from PAD to Worcester) on Tuesday evening was showing on both P8 and P9 at the same time, certainly up to at least a couple of mins before departure when I hoppped onto the P9 (correct option) based upon the tannoy announcments.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on April 23, 2015, 11:13:28

    The latter problem applies particulary to Platfom 13/4 even when services are running normally. It  has it's own thread already.

    Presumably there are too many links in the chain. OOC depot, Swindon control (both FGW), TVSC (Network Rail) and Paddington both Network Rail/FGW.

    Platforms aren't generally announced until the train has the signal into the platform.  There's always the chance, especially during disruption, that the signaller could pop the train into a different platform.
    When you're on the platform and the screen says "boarding" even though there's no train it is because the train has passed the last signal at Royal Oak. The system and its announcements are automated.
    You can see it actually happen if you watch the live Paddington signalling map at http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/d3_1


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 27, 2015, 08:57:06
    As a sweetener to start the week, all lines were closed at Oxford (now rectified) and a broken down train on the Henley line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on April 27, 2015, 15:16:31
    As a sweetener to start the week, all lines were closed at Oxford (now rectified) and a broken down train on the Henley line.
    Yes, D**m and B***t that naughty signalling system for not knowing that the train was going to break down, and signalling it onto the single-track Henley line. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 27, 2015, 17:51:32
    As a sweetener to start the week, all lines were closed at Oxford (now rectified) and a broken down train on the Henley line.
    Yes, D**m and B***t that naughty signalling system for not knowing that the train was going to break down, and signalling it onto the single-track Henley line. ;)

    One each for NR and FGW today then.......knackered signals at Oxford, and knackered train at Henley!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 27, 2015, 18:42:21
    As a sweetener to start the week, all lines were closed at Oxford (now rectified) and a broken down train on the Henley line.
    Yes, D**m and B***t that naughty signalling system for not knowing that the train was going to break down, and signalling it onto the single-track Henley line. ;)

    One each for NR and FGW today then.......knackered signals at Oxford, and knackered train at Henley!

    At least it all stayed in Oxfordshire  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 27, 2015, 20:18:38
    As a sweetener to start the week, all lines were closed at Oxford (now rectified) and a broken down train on the Henley line.
    Yes, D**m and B***t that naughty signalling system for not knowing that the train was going to break down, and signalling it onto the single-track Henley line. ;)

    Worse that that it was two units which eventually had to be separated and brought back individually after a driver was sent by taxi from Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 30, 2015, 11:35:52
    Due to signalling problems at Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on the Reading bound relief line.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 mins. Disruption is expected until 12:15 30/04.
    Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 30, 2015, 13:23:19
    Love this stuff: 

    "Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. "

    "Dear TFL - please can you take me to Maidenhead?  Go on, its only a little bit further west.  You can drop me at the A404 roundabout and I'll walk the rest.  Pleeease?"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on April 30, 2015, 14:24:14
    Love this stuff: 

    "Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. "

    "Dear TFL - please can you take me to Maidenhead?  Go on, its only a little bit further west.  You can drop me at the A404 roundabout and I'll walk the rest.  Pleeease?"

    In fairness, plenty of people board/alight the stoppers at Ealing Broadway, so it is perfectly reasonable to give them the option of using any non-TfL tickets on Central or District line services from there or also from Greenford to & from central London.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on April 30, 2015, 15:15:40
    There's a (presumably) little known NR/LU dual availability between Notting Hill Gate (for Paddington) and Ealing Broadway on the Central Line anyway, which means tickets are always valid.

    Whether or not staff are aware I'll leave to others, but it's covered in the manual as are a number of better known dual availability sections of other LU/NR common routes.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 30, 2015, 15:37:47
    Presumably something to do with the closure of Westbourne Park to mainline trains in the early 90s?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on April 30, 2015, 19:08:53
    Presumably something to do with the closure of Westbourne Park to mainline trains in the early 90s?

    Quite possibly - but I've got a downloaded NFM London section from way back that doesn't include the route, but have also seen an extract from 'the manual' (in a different forum) that is far more up to date that does include it, so these things must come and go...

    I wouldn't expect a smooth journey on a random basis...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 30, 2015, 20:11:31
    There's a (presumably) little known NR/LU dual availability between Notting Hill Gate (for Paddington) and Ealing Broadway on the Central Line anyway, which means tickets are always valid.

    Whether or not staff are aware I'll leave to others, but it's covered in the manual as are a number of better known dual availability sections of other LU/NR common routes.

    Paul
    Presumably something to do with the closure of Westbourne Park to mainline trains in the early 90s?

    The concession dates back well before Westbourne Park (mainline) closure, I believe it even dates back to the days of the GWR (pre Nationalisation)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 04, 2015, 13:06:20
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington Due to speed restrictions between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 04/06.
    Customer Advice:
    As a result of some temporary speed restrictions, which will be in force in the Paddington area until approximately 16:00, fewer trains can be accommodated at London Paddington until after this time which will result in some train service alterations.
    There will be a reduced frequency of trains between Oxford / Bedwyn / Newbury / Reading & London Paddington in both directions

    ............any idea what's triggered the speed restrictions?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 04, 2015, 13:09:55
    the sun?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on June 04, 2015, 13:25:51
    Network Rail have imposed a heat speed restriction of 20mph between Ladbroke Grove and Paddington. It's expected to removed at 16:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 04, 2015, 13:33:59
    the sun?

    Can't blame Murdoch for everything!  ;)

    But seriously............call this hot? First time the sun comes out......have we got a whole summer of this to look forward to in addition to knackered signals, "train faults" etc etc????


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on June 04, 2015, 13:36:55
    Ah, but this is the wrong kind of sun.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on June 04, 2015, 13:46:22
    Network Rail has a page that explains the impact of heat on the rails if anyone wants a read: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/delays-explained/summer-weather.aspx


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 04, 2015, 14:13:49
    but they need to explain too why our rails have problems at temperatures other countries don't!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 04, 2015, 14:45:21
    Not at all impressive is it?!

    Though the section of track affected is only 40mph anyway (with a small bit at 50mph) so with a few services thinned out most others are only suffering minimal delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 04, 2015, 15:00:26
    Very poor.
    I can understand the need for speed restrictions in exceptionally hot conditions, but to need such restrictions during a moderately warm early summer day is a bit worrying.
    What will happen if we get a hot summer ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 04, 2015, 17:53:59
    Very poor.
    I can understand the need for speed restrictions in exceptionally hot conditions, but to need such restrictions during a moderately warm early summer day is a bit worrying.
    What will happen if we get a hot summer ?

    Phew! A scorching 20 degrees (68 Fahrenheit in old money), God help us if it gets over 80.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 04, 2015, 18:49:51
    There is also a process called CRT (Critical Rail Temperature) which can applied in warm weather where civil engineering works disturbs the track formation, shoulder ballast, new UTX (Under Track Crossings) etc.   There is quite a lot of civils activity in the Ladbrook Grove area. 

    There is also a cannoning effect caused by the buildings and direction of the sun the area can heat up very quickly with very little wind cooling.  We used to regularly get HV cable joints fail in that area in the summer due to the heating of the sun caused the cables to expand and move.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2015, 14:22:50
    ............here we go folks! At least it's a lovely sunny day to stand on a platform waiting for a train which may or may not arrive (eventually!) Looks like West Drayton/Hayes/Southall area again  ::)

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to signalling problems between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 18/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 18, 2015, 15:06:05
    ............here we go folks! At least it's a lovely sunny day to stand on a platform waiting for a train which may or may not arrive (eventually!) Looks like West Drayton/Hayes/Southall area again  ::)

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to signalling problems between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 18/06.

    I must have just missed this - I caught the 13:18 Paddington to bedwyn and had no problems with the journey at all


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 18, 2015, 16:00:01
    Looking at the departure boards it looks as if the disruption is not too bad at the moment. 16:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 18, 2015, 18:33:20
    I actually think the FGW staff and the NR staff are managing these disruptions quite well over the last few weeks. 

    The Padd dispatch team on 13 & 14 are turning the trains around as quick as they can whilst still letting passengers get there from the main concourse when there is a late announcement.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 23, 2015, 19:59:03
    Numerous cancellations and short workings for most of today, many of the earlier problems due to overhead wire problems, together a few signalling failures and train faults.
    Most of the later evening issues caused by a fatality :'(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 23, 2015, 22:21:41
    I found this announcement by fgw particularly perplexing:

    MAI to PAD on your route: 07:17 will have 3 not 5 coaches - an unusually large passenger flow.

    How does increased demand lead to a reduction in carriages?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on June 23, 2015, 23:16:03
    I found this announcement by fgw particularly perplexing:

    MAI to PAD on your route: 07:17 will have 3 not 5 coaches - an unusually large passenger flow.

    How does increased demand lead to a reduction in carriages?

    Increased passenger flow elsewhere maybe?  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 24, 2015, 05:51:51
    ......or just one unusually large passenger, flowing?  :-\


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 24, 2015, 09:18:54
    Why would "overhead wire problems" lead to short formations on FGW?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 24, 2015, 09:27:38
    Stop / start in from Burnham at the moment - "congestion caused by signalling issues at Ealing Broadway" and we'll be "slightly delayed" into Paddington.   

    No great shakes (could be much worse) but another interesting morning ... with congestion into Swindon and several stops inbound from Rushey Platt - due the the 05:17 Gloucester to Southampton hitting an "abandoned" bicycle between Kemble and Swindon and then blocking the bay; better that than hitting a person ... and reminds us just how the waves of one incident spread so far and wide.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 24, 2015, 10:24:53
    Stop / start in from Burnham at the moment - "congestion caused by signalling issues at Ealing Broadway" and we'll be "slightly delayed" into Paddington.   

    I've been getting texts all morning about various problems, the latest as of 10am is
    "Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the London bound fast line.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. "

    ...due the the 05:17 Gloucester to Southampton hitting an "abandoned" bicycle between Kemble and Swindon and then blocking the bay;

    Ah thanks for the information. That would explain why my normal hop-on at RDG was so AWOL
    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00898/2015/06/24/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00898/2015/06/24/advanced)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 24, 2015, 10:49:26
    Stop / start in from Burnham at the moment - "congestion caused by signalling issues at Ealing Broadway" and we'll be "slightly delayed" into Paddington.   

    I've been getting texts all morning about various problems, the latest as of 10am is
    "Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the London bound fast line.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. "


    Arrived 32 late in the end ... everyone standing at the door waiting to get off and a lady at the back loudly saying "excuse me please - I need to get off here"  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 24, 2015, 10:54:04
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.

    Due to signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the London bound fast line.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on June 24, 2015, 11:55:19
    When I was at Maidenhead earlier there was an issue with the 7.41 Bourne End train departing from platform 4 so it had to be taken out of the station and back into platform 5..

    Then the 7.45 departure to Paddington got stuck at a red signal just outside Maidenhead for no obvious reason.. The 7.49 stopper was brought into platform 2 and left ahead of the 7.45 even though it stops at more stations (which made the 7.45 really slow) and according to twitter the 7.49 didn't stop at Taplow to the surprise of everyone waiting there..  All a bit of a mess really.. And looks like it got worse later on too


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 24, 2015, 12:26:48
    Regarding both last night's and this morning's problems at Ealing, is it not possible to instigate any sort of diversionary service via Greenford East? I remember from when I was commuting in 1989, following the derailment of a Class 50 at West Ealing an emergency service was quickly instigated which involved a diversion via Hanwell/Drayton Green Jcts and Greenford South/East Jcts. However I seem to recall that for some reason (possibly to do with track or signalling) the FGW Class 57 specials last October weren't able to use the Hanwell/Drayton Green line as originally planned?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 24, 2015, 12:46:43
    That's a good question, BBM.  Route knowledge is the main reason as only the Paddington crews sign that route (and even then I'm not sure they all do).  Obviously it would be a much reduced service, possibly three or four trains an hour each way, and often with a fatality by the time you've organised something meaningful the lines have re-opened.  Yesterday's sad events took longer than normal due to the nature of the incident though so it might have been worth it in the end.  As with Foxhall and Reading West diversions they are potential get-you-out-of-the-s*it moves and personally I think it would be better if more crews signed them for just such an example.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on June 24, 2015, 13:27:22
    Yesterday's sad events took longer than normal due to the nature of the incident though so it might have been worth it in the end. 

    Just as an aside, what time did things start back up last night?
    Thanks,
    WE


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on June 24, 2015, 15:11:47
    The first train that stopped at Maidenhead left Paddington about 9.. It probably wasn't the first departure though..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 24, 2015, 19:02:02
    I received a text alert from First Great Western at 07:00 this morning, informing me that,

    Quote
    NLS to BRI on your route:
    08:13 will have 2 not 8 coaches - a person hit by a train earlier.

    Train stock still out of place overnight, apparently.  :-\


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 24, 2015, 20:44:52
    The High Speed Train (HST) involved wouldn't have been back in service...


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 25, 2015, 08:52:25
    Another morning of general delays for me, slow into Reading and then slow into Paddington, once again:

    "Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:00 25/06.
    Customer Advice:
    As a result of signalling problems in the Southall area affecting the lines used by express services there will be a reduction in the frequency of express train services between London Paddington and Oxford in both directions. To compensate for this First Great Western ticket holders may travel on CrossCountry train services between Oxford and Reading, changing at Reading into / out of alternative fast services to / from London Paddington.
    In addition, there will also be alterations to some train services between London Paddington and Bedwyn, and return, which will require customers to change trains at Reading."

    It's not been a good week at all, this on top of the delays due to the fight at Reading West station last night.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 25, 2015, 09:08:40
    This is neverending.

    Presumably the cause of the signals in this area constantly being SNAFU has been identified by now?.....there seems to be a pattern of a week of chaos, followed by a few weeks of only "minor" (relatively speaking) problems, before a return to everything falling over again.......which to me suggests that there are a lot of temporary fixes being applied rather than a permanent solution?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 25, 2015, 09:57:51
    Is it correct that the new signals are being attached to the old wiring? And later, the new wiring is being laid & then connected to these signals? Rather than signals & wiring being renewed together?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 25, 2015, 10:00:27
    I was working in Birmingham yesterday (24th June) and came back using XC from New Street to Reading. I caught the 17:06 XC Bournemouth service from New Street  which was slightly delayed at start and lost a few more minutes due to line congestion and was expecting to catch the 1912 Local Reading to Thatcham BUT the Frome service was delayed so managed to catch that at Reading.

    The TM on this service apologised for the lack of PA announcements but found it difficult to reach the PA equipment due to unusually heavy passenger numbers (possibly as a result of issues raised by other forum members yesterday)

    I arrived in Thatcham at just past 7pm which was about 40 minutes earlier than I would have expected.

    So for very selfish reasons the delays which may have caused misery for others worked for me - I should add that on depature from RDG the Frome Service was if anything more lightly loaded than I would have expected for that service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 25, 2015, 18:29:32
    The TM on this service apologised for the lack of PA announcements but found it difficult to reach the PA equipment due to unusually heavy passenger numbers (possibly as a result of issues raised by other forum members yesterday)

    Or possibly because there is some sort of annual village fete somewhere near Castle Cary. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on June 25, 2015, 20:57:41
    Quote
    I should add that on depature from RDG the Frome Service was if anything more lightly loaded than I would have expected for that service.

    I think this is one of the High Speed Train's (HST)'s that stops at TWY (fast to there from PAD) where in my experience about 50% of those onboard get off.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 25, 2015, 21:04:25
    The TM on this service apologised for the lack of PA announcements but found it difficult to reach the PA equipment due to unusually heavy passenger numbers (possibly as a result of issues raised by other forum members yesterday)

    Or possibly because there is some sort of annual village fete somewhere near Castle Cary. 

    There certainly have been a large number of un-ripened berries about the last few days ................ the rain on Friday should ripen them up a bit, hopefully there will be no more rain as that always over-ripens Glason Berries 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 25, 2015, 21:06:41
    Quote
    I should add that on depature from RDG the Frome Service was if anything more lightly loaded than I would have expected for that service.

    I think this is one of the HST's that stops at TWY (fast to there from PAD) where in my experience about 50% of those onboard get off.

    I think you are right TC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 25, 2015, 22:46:16
    This is neverending.

    Don't expect a good week next week with the forecast of a hot spell for most of the week with the thermometer nudging 30 degrees Celsius.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 26, 2015, 00:01:46
    A timely reminder, then, from the Western Daily Press (http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Glastonbury-Festival-revellers-booted-Great/story-26766658-detail/story.html):

    Quote
    Glastonbury Festival revellers will not be allowed on First Great Western trains if too muddy

    Glastonbury Festival revellers have been warned they will not be allowed on trains taking them home if they are too MUDDY.

    First Great Western is the only train operator which visits Castle Cary station near the festival site in Somerset.

    But in a special leaflet printed for the five-day event, bosses have warned mucky festival goers they'll be turned away if they are too dirty.

    The leaflet says: "In the interests of the comfort of all our customers, you will not be allowed to board the train if you are excessively muddy."

    No such prohibition on anyone being excessively hot and sweaty, apparently.  ;) :D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2015, 08:54:13
    ....with the temperature set to rise a few degrees this week, on what day do people think that everything will fall over due to "poor rail conditions"? summer weather being one of the other natural phenomena that the (UK) railways struggle to cope with.....sweepstake anyone?

    I've got some very important meetings this week and I really, really hope they don't get messed up by numerous delays/cancellations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on June 28, 2015, 09:34:46
    That's what I like to read on a Sunday morning. Unbridled optimism.  :P ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2015, 09:35:50
    That's what I like to read on a Sunday morning. Unbridled optimism.  :P ;D

    .....it's being so cheerful that keeps me going!!!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 28, 2015, 09:39:48
    Tuesday....with widespread limits from Wednesday on


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2015, 09:58:47
    ........always nice to have something to look forward to, God knows how they manage in hot countries.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 28, 2015, 11:41:46
    ....with the temperature set to rise a few degrees this week, on what day do people think that everything will fall over due to "poor rail conditions"? summer weather being one of the other natural phenomena that the (UK) railways struggle to cope with.....sweepstake anyone?

    I've got some very important meetings this week and I really, really hope they don't get messed up by numerous delays/cancellations.

    I am not very hopeful of a normal service being provided in hot weather, apart from the usual high rail temperature problems, signal failures seem to be more likely in hot weather.

    I would urge allowing extra time for travel to important meetings, and for journeys of up to say 100 miles keep enough cash to hand for a taxi if all else fails.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2015, 16:14:55
    ....with the temperature set to rise a few degrees this week, on what day do people think that everything will fall over due to "poor rail conditions"? summer weather being one of the other natural phenomena that the (UK) railways struggle to cope with.....sweepstake anyone?

    I've got some very important meetings this week and I really, really hope they don't get messed up by numerous delays/cancellations.

    I am not very hopeful of a normal service being provided in hot weather, apart from the usual high rail temperature problems, signal failures seem to be more likely in hot weather.

    I would urge allowing extra time for travel to important meetings, and for journeys of up to say 100 miles keep enough cash to hand for a taxi if all else fails.

    .........perfectly reasonable advice but of course the taxi would be at my own expense, despite having purchased a ticket from FGW who are then unable to provide the advertised service.

    Do NR actually do anything to mitigate against the effect of entirely predictable warm summer weather, or are they happy just to take the hit and pay out to the TOCs?

    I guess they are too busy "Building a Greater West" to worry about such minor details as keeping the trains running during the summer?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on June 28, 2015, 16:39:00
    This is what Network Rail say about the heat and what they to do reduce the risks: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/delays-explained/summer-weather.aspx


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2015, 16:48:45
    This is what Network Rail say about the heat and what they to do reduce the risks: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/delays-explained/summer-weather.aspx

    ............best get the paintbrushes out sharpish then!!!  ;D

    Must admit I can't recall seeing any white rails? I thought one of the areas most at risk was on the approach to Paddington.......all regulation brown as I recall?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 28, 2015, 17:00:27
    Plenty around, you just haven't noticed them


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 28, 2015, 17:01:42
    This is what Network Rail say about the heat and what they to do reduce the risks: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/timetables-and-travel/delays-explained/summer-weather.aspx

    ............best get the paintbrushes out sharpish then!!!  ;D

    Must admit I can't recall seeing any white rails? I thought one of the areas most at risk was on the approach to Paddington.......all regulation brown as I recall?

    I have seen quite a lot of white painted rail on the approach to Paddington.  Short lengths not continuous length.

    Has someone also posted about the difficulty of maintaining the proper stresses in the rail when there is a lot of work going on on the line. Not enough time to restore the stressing between



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 28, 2015, 17:04:30
    I have often wondered why, in vulnerable locations, a light water spray is not used to cool the rails and immediate surroundings.
    Something as basic as a number of domestic style oscillating garden sprinklers affixed to existing signal gantries and other structures would help a lot. Or even a couple of workers as near to the track as is safe, manually applying water by means of garden hoses and spray jets.

    (IIRC, I have previously suggested this)

    Water is cheap and readily available and if applied in moderation should cause no problems to equipment intended to withstand rain.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 28, 2015, 17:18:15
    Must admit I can't recall seeing any white rails? I thought one of the areas most at risk was on the approach to Paddington.......all regulation brown as I recall?

    Here you go - white rails in darkest Cornwall.

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/coombe.jpg)

    The current weather forecast for my area shows high temperatures but cloudy skies.  That might help - it is direct sunlight which causes the rails to heat up to a higher temperature than the surrounding air.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 28, 2015, 17:27:40
    I have often wondered why, in vulnerable locations, a light water spray is not used to cool the rails and immediate surroundings.
    Something as basic as a number of domestic style oscillating garden sprinklers affixed to existing signal gantries and other structures would help a lot. Or even a couple of workers as near to the track as is safe, manually applying water by means of garden hoses and spray jets.

    (IIRC, I have previously suggested this)

    Water is cheap and readily available and if applied in moderation should cause no problems to equipment intended to withstand rain.

    Water is indeed cheap, but getting to places away from mains is not. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 28, 2015, 17:39:22
    Agree that obtaining water in remote places could be problematic, but I was thinking more of urban areas such as the approaches to Paddington which seems to be a regular hot spot.

    Depending on the height of the water table  and the local terrain, a drilled well and a submersible pump might be an option in places away from mains water, but urban areas are arguably a higher priority as they tend to be hotter, and the greater density of traffic means that delays affect far greater numbers of people.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on June 28, 2015, 17:46:28
    Inside the carriages like to be problematic too - the twitter complaints concerning inadequate or completely failed AC started a few weeks back when the temperature first touched 19C.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 08:56:13
    Direct Henley/Bourne End services cancelled for much of today due to anticipated "hot weather".

    This will be interesting if it continues into tomorrow with the Henley Regatta starting however I think there will be extra services on that branch anyway to allow for this.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 30, 2015, 09:01:00
    I am not sure about "much of the day".  There are only a handful of through trains from London Paddington to the branches and they are in the evening peak.  This morning's through Up services ran as normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 09:27:33
    From midday onwards;



    Network Rail have advised that, due to the anticipated exceptionally hot weather, there will be speed restrictions to protect track points in the Thames Valley region on Tuesday 30 June 2015.


    As a result there will be no fast trains between London Paddington and Bourne End or Henley-on-Thames from 12:00 until 20:00. This will affect the following services:

    London Paddington to Henley-on-Thames
    Trains from London Paddington will terminate at Twyford for a connection with a branch line train to Henley-on-Thames, which will remain on the branch line.

    17:12 London Paddington to Henley-on-Thames, this service will terminate at Twyford.
    18:12 London Paddington to Henley-on-Thames, this service will terminate at Twyford.
    19:05 London Paddington to Henley-on-Thames, this service will terminate at Twyford.

    London Paddington to Bourne End
    Trains from London Paddington will terminate at Maidenhead for a connection with a branch line train to Bourne End, which will remain on the branch line.

    16:42 London Paddington to Bourne End, this service will terminate at Maidenhead.
    17:42 London Paddington to Bourne End, this service will terminate at Maidenhead.
    18:42 London Paddington to Bourne End, this service will terminate at Maidenhead.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 30, 2015, 11:21:55
    Direct Henley/Bourne End services cancelled for much of today due to anticipated "hot weather".

    This will be interesting if it continues into tomorrow with the Henley Regatta starting however I think there will be extra services on that branch anyway to allow for this.

    From my recollection during previous Regattas all of the Henley trains are diverted to Twyford and everyone gets booted off to join the dedicated branch line service.  I could be very much mistaken though.

    As a side story, during last year's Regatta I was making my way from Paddington to Henley about 6pm and was awaiting the branch line train to arrive in to Twyford.  As the train arrived it was clearly rather busy with the daytime revellers returning to Twyford.  The doors opened and the woman at the front cleaved forwards 90 degrees face first on to the platform.  She didn't even flinch as she fell.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 11:31:02
    Direct Henley/Bourne End services cancelled for much of today due to anticipated "hot weather".

    This will be interesting if it continues into tomorrow with the Henley Regatta starting however I think there will be extra services on that branch anyway to allow for this.

    From my recollection during previous Regattas all of the Henley trains are diverted to Twyford and everyone gets booted off to join the dedicated branch line service.  I could be very much mistaken though.

    As a side story, during last year's Regatta I was making my way from Paddington to Henley about 6pm and was awaiting the branch line train to arrive in to Twyford.  As the train arrived it was clearly rather busy with the daytime revellers returning to Twyford.  The doors opened and the woman at the front cleaved forwards 90 degrees face first on to the platform.  She didn't even flinch as she fell.

    A 90 degree cleavage would make the bravest man flinch.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on June 30, 2015, 11:57:39
    In previous years, the regatta service runs as a shuttle, but it uses Twyford platform 4.  This is because it is strengthened to 5 (or is it 6) cars, and Twyford platform 5 is only long enough for 4 at most.

    The purpose of running the branches as self-contained shuttles in hot weather is to minimise the number of times that points have to be moved.  That's not going to work if the regatta service is too long to fit in Twyford platform 5.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on June 30, 2015, 12:18:38
    The Regatta timetable (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/-/media/pdf/destinations/eventsandatttractions/henleyregatta/henley%20regatta%202015%20%20v4%20%20print%20ready%201%201.pdf?la=en) suggests longer trains only on the Saturday, and by then the temperatures are down somewhat.

    There are no through services during the Regatta, so today is kind of a prelude.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 13:49:08
    ..........why worry about hot weather when we can rely on signal failures?

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to signalling problems between Reading and Slough the London bound main line is disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:00 30/06.
    Customer Advice:
    Passengers at Reading for the following stations Twyford, Maidenhead, Langley, West Drayton, Hayes & Harlington and Southall are advised to circulate via Ealing Broadway.

    ..........are they seriously advising customers at Reading who want to go to Twyford to travel via Ealing???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on June 30, 2015, 16:02:31
    Plenty around, you just haven't noticed them

    there is plenty around, but clearly not enough.  Just a thought, but why can't rail be delivered from the factory with white paint already on it?  Must be easier and cheaper and safer to install in the factory than out on the track. Seems to be newer track that is more prone to buckling as it may not yet have been tensioned.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 30, 2015, 16:10:14
    Done to highlight specific areas that are going to cause real problems if it even moves by millimetres - such as points, crossovers, etc. Continuous rail is more easily tensioned.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 30, 2015, 16:23:03
    Done to highlight specific areas that are going to cause real problems if it even moves by millimetres - such as points, crossovers, etc. Continuous rail is more easily tensioned.

    Continuous Welded Rail also has appropriate expansion joints anyway and is designed to expand and contract freely, within certain environmental constraints of course, so is less of an issue on open track. I believe the main issue is with fixed track, primarily at and in short sections between points and crossovers, which has less space to expand than CWR and you will see the white paint applied to the sides of the rails at these locations across the 'western region'.

    It doesn't appear to be something that has been adopted nationally for some reason and as I recall from a bit of googling when I first noticed the white paint, it is a 'Western' region thing going back many years.

    Quite why this appears to be such an issue in the UK and not so much in countries on the continent that experience much larger annual temperature ranges is beyond me!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on June 30, 2015, 16:23:14
    Long stretches of the Cotswold Line, particularly between Hanborough and Combe have had all trees removed over the past year - at what must have been an enormous cost. I had assumed that this was to reduce the Autumn leaf fall making the tracks slippery. If sunlight makes the rails more prone to buckling in high temperatures it would seem that one risk of problems seems to have been replaced with another as the rails are now in the blazing sun instead of being sheltered from direct sunlight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 30, 2015, 17:00:25
    This is flagging as a major disruption on the website.

    "Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 20:00 30/06."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on June 30, 2015, 17:25:00
    8 late at BTT today, for all three trains due around the time I was there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 30, 2015, 18:13:35
    All TV out of Paddington look rather messy at the moment. I'm on the 17.49 to Worcester that hasn't left yet and is now becoming overcrowded as the Maidenhead 18.18 crowd arrive and spy an earlier/better service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 18:14:12
    This is flagging as a major disruption on the website.

    "Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 20:00 30/06."

    So two sets of signal failures today (so far) and heat related disruption too on a very warm day..........tomorrow it will be v v hot, up to 96 degrees if forecasts are to be believed.....meltdown?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 30, 2015, 18:18:08
    Now the brakes on the 17.49 set are broken. 😢


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 30, 2015, 18:41:32
    I really can't convey how much I hate rail travel right now. Whether it's the fault of fgw or network rail or Bob the builder I couldn't care less, it's just crap.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 30, 2015, 18:44:17
    I really can't convey how much I hate rail travel right now. Whether it's the fault of fgw or network rail or Bob the builder I couldn't care less, it's just crap.

    Hear hear, sums it up very succinctly!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 30, 2015, 19:17:41
    So two sets of signal failures today (so far) and heat related disruption too on a very warm day..........tomorrow it will be v v hot, up to 96 degrees if forecasts are to be believed.....meltdown?

    I would hope roughly the same as today.  A pretty good morning peak before the real heat arrives, followed by a few targeted and sensible speed precautions and cancellations leading to the majority of trains running, though with delays that slowly get worse throughout the afternoon, as crew and trains start to get displaced and the peak heat levels arrive. 

    There may be the odd train failure, like today, as the systems on them get tested more than usual leading to the possibility of more failures than you might usually expect - just in the same way that the RAC usually get 20-30% more call outs on hot days for car breakdowns.  Hopefully there won't be 'meltdown' but certainly don't expect there not to be at least some disruption, especially later in the afternoon.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 30, 2015, 19:36:18
    Looks fairly much like a meltdown from where I'm sat stood.
    Trying to be constructive about things what vexes me is that adjustments to schedules aren't made to accommodate the flow of passengers from cancelled trains when specific peaks of destination are obvious.

    Case in point being the services to Maidenhead which peak at 18.18 where all 6 carriages literally empty at Maidenhead.

    So, what has happened today to let me call it a meltdown...
    - the 17.49 via Maidenhead is held in platform soaking up most of the 18.18 flow.
    - 17.49 develops brake fault and is eventually cancelled.
    - 18.18 has just left half empty.
    - 18.25 stopping service is declared as the next train to Maidenhead.
    - 18.25 is 3 carriages not 6 and is dangerously overcrowded with people fainting and water being shared between passengers.
    - 18.25 takes 45mins to reach southall where we are told that a train in front has broken down.
    - in the meantime the 19.05 to Maidenhead is also cancelled.
    - I've now taken 2hrs from arriving at Paddington to reach Langley and I have no idea when I will reach home. This is why I call it a meltdown.

    Wouldn't it have been nice to add Maidenhead as a first stop on any of those Reading Hst sets??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 30, 2015, 22:18:01
    The Henley Branch User Group (@HenleyBUG) tweeted earlier this evening that a train had hit a tyre on the track at Slough and another one in the same area had suffered a broken windscreen. I noticed that the 16.49 PAD-OXF was terminated at SLO so I wonder if that train was one of the two mentioned in the tweet?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 30, 2015, 22:21:48
    A Bristol bound High Speed Train (HST) made an extra call at Slough to pick up the stranded passengers from the Oxford train.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on June 30, 2015, 22:24:06
    I really can't convey how much I hate rail travel right now. Whether it's the fault of fgw or network rail or Bob the builder I couldn't care less, it's just crap.

    Mine was 31 minutes late tonight. Thankfully it was the full compliment of 3 carriages (it was 5 until the May timetable "improved" it) ... unlike several times recently when its been 2 car....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 30, 2015, 23:00:53
    Looks fairly much like a meltdown from where I'm sat stood.

    - I've now taken 2hrs from arriving at Paddington to reach Langley and I have no idea when I will reach home. This is why I call it a meltdown.

    Wouldn't it have been nice to add Maidenhead as a first stop on any of those Reading High Speed Train (Hst) sets??

    I'd describe a meltdown as practically no trains running at all, which was certainly not the case as the vast majority ran, albeit most suffering delays of 10-30 minutes and a fairly small number with delays above that.  That's not to say that you and many others didn't have a pretty crap journey home tonight as you obviously did, but had the 17:49 not been cancelled at short notice due to a set failure, the other links in the chain you describe would have, in themselves, not been of too great a consequence.  Notwithstanding the fact the 18:25 3-car vice 6-car was poor advice for Maidenhead passengers as the 18:42 would have been a far better bet, though very busy itself I suspect as a 4-car - it got to Maidenhead 25 minutes earlier than the 18:25 having left at a similar time.

    However, you're dead right that our control needs to consider the likely flow of passengers for the busiest stations, which on that train certainly is Maidenhead, and make better provision for them by stopping one of the slightly quieter High Speed Train's (HST)s where possible - or do their best to communicate the 18:18/18:42 option better when situations like this develop.  However, having been involved in many similar incidents over the years, it is surprising how difficult it can be to advise passengers of the best option, especially, as is often the case, that technicians could rectify the fault on the 17:49 at any given moment which would completely change what the best advice would have been at an instant.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 01, 2015, 09:53:08
    I would hope roughly the same as today.  A pretty good morning peak before the real heat arrives, followed by a few targeted and sensible speed precautions and cancellations leading to the majority of trains running, though with delays that slowly get worse throughout the afternoon, as crew and trains start to get displaced and the peak heat levels arrive. 

    Well, stage one as hoped for with limited disruption during this morning's peak.  Now, let's watch he situation slowly deteriorate after lunchtime and fingers crossed it will be no worse than yesterday!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2015, 09:58:16
    I would hope roughly the same as today.  A pretty good morning peak before the real heat arrives, followed by a few targeted and sensible speed precautions and cancellations leading to the majority of trains running, though with delays that slowly get worse throughout the afternoon, as crew and trains start to get displaced and the peak heat levels arrive. 

    Well, stage one as hoped for with limited disruption during this morning's peak.  Now, let's watch he situation slowly deteriorate after lunchtime and fingers crossed it will be no worse than yesterday!

    I spoke to several people this morning who had 2 hour journeys from Paddington to Taplow/Maidenhead last night so I sincerely hope it isn't any worse today!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: insider on July 01, 2015, 11:13:12
    Todays Marlow Branch for evening peak will be again the locked in hourly shuttle services. The direct services will terminate at Maidenehad.

    With Regards to the Regatta Timetable from today.

    A 4 Car operates (into Bay Platform 5) from after the morning peak and then until close of service Wednesday - Friday every 30 mins from Twyford/ Henley. To maintain that frequency, one trip per hour will miss Wargrave in down, and both Shiplake and Wargrave on the Up.

    A 7 Car will operate (in to Up Relief platform 4). Every 30 mins Bus service Twyford- Wargrave all day. And 1 trip in Up Direction will not call at Shiplake.

    There are also a number of Turbos and High Speed Train's (HST)'s that will call at Twyford additonally to pick up London Bound in the evenings

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on July 01, 2015, 11:22:43
    I was also on the the 17.49 so had the same experience as NickB. I didn't try and get on the 18.25 as I saw how crowded it was.. I got the 18.50 departure (to change at Slough).. Funnily enough it was the same train that I had got off a while earlier (the broken 17.49 which had miraculously been mended since).. We changed at Slough and got on a (very hot) train that had left Paddington at 18.16.. As Nick said it would have been nice had they stopped another High Speed Train (HST) service at Maidenhead to relieve the overcrowding and horrible conditions as a result of the 17.49 being cancelled

    Tonight I intend not to travel in the rush hour as they are already promising us issues (via BBC news)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on July 01, 2015, 11:43:02
    Case in point being the services to Maidenhead which peak at 18.18 where all 6 carriages literally empty at Maidenhead.

    So, what has happened today to let me call it a meltdown...
    - the 17.49 via Maidenhead is held in platform soaking up most of the 18.18 flow.
    - 17.49 develops brake fault and is eventually cancelled.
    - 18.18 has just left half empty.
    - 18.25 stopping service is declared as the next train to Maidenhead.
    - 18.25 is 3 carriages not 6 and is dangerously overcrowded with people fainting and water being shared between passengers.
    - 18.25 takes 45mins to reach southall where we are told that a train in front has broken down.
    - in the meantime the 19.05 to Maidenhead is also cancelled.
    - I've now taken 2hrs from arriving at Paddington to reach Langley and I have no idea when I will reach home. This is why I call it a meltdown.
    :o
    I too was on the 17.49 which developed brake problems and was eventually told to get off about 18.25.
    I thought about a Turbo but decided to get the 18.50 High Speed Train (HST); first stop Slough and play catch up. It was empty and the aircon was on overblow. 8)
    In this weather I'd take that rather than the Turbo, didn't wait too long for a stopper onwards.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 01, 2015, 13:57:59
    Interesting listening to Radio London travel reports whilst stuck in a traffic jam on the Eastbound A40at Hillingdon around 16:30 yesterday. 30/6,  (don't ask!) they were consistently saying no trains between Twyford and Henley and Maidenhead and Marlow.

    i thought it was only the through trains from Padd that were cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 01, 2015, 14:21:13
    ... they were consistently saying no trains between Twyford and Henley and Maidenhead and Marlow ...

    i thought it was only the through trains from Padd that were cancelled.

    We have learnt in our area that a wonderful way to lessen demand / loadings is to let people know a train's not running but then run it anyway  ;D

    It's very rare ... tends to happen by accident where a train's bust and can't run, gets cancelled, then someone manages to fix it after all ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 01, 2015, 14:25:01
    Interesting listening to Radio London travel reports whilst stuck in a traffic jam on the Eastbound A40at Hillingdon around 16:30 9don't ask!) they were consistently saying no trains between Twyford and Henley and Maidenhead and Marlow.

    i thought it was only the through trains from Padd that were cancelled.

    I'm sure I heard the same thing on BBC Radio Berkshire but I can't remember if it was today or yesterday (this morning I was busy struggling to get over Sonning Bridge where the traffic lights weren't working, so it's not just the railways which suffer from signal failures!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 01, 2015, 16:04:13
    From the BBC's online magazine (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33342481):

    Quote
    Who, What, Why: Why does hot weather cause rail delays?

    (http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/17BD5/production/_83973279_pa-17077467.jpg)

    As the hottest weather so far this year hits parts of the UK, train passengers are being warned of further train delays caused by buckling rails. Why does this happen, asks Justin Parkinson.

    On hot days, steel rails exposed to direct sunshine can become 20C hotter than the air temperature, according to Network Rail. The resulting expansion can cause extreme compression and buckling. When this happens, lines become impassable and close for repairs, which can't usually happen until temperatures drop again.

    Some operators have warned of temporary speed restrictions on stretches deemed most at risk, as slower trains exert lower forces on the track, reducing the risk of buckling.

    In the past, the UK's main system of coping with extreme heat involved leaving gaps, known as expansion joints, along the line, allowing rails to slide past each other as they expand. But the small breaks in the line meant trains were noisy and gave bumpy rides.

    Under the replacement system, to prevent buckling the track is "pre-stressed" or stretched. Only when it gets unusually hot does the metal expand enough to pose a risk of rails pushing together and buckling.

    This treatment allows rails to be welded together, leaving no gaps. In the UK rail tension is set so that they only start to expand - and thereby push against each other - when the outside temperature gets to 27C.

    "This means there's a greater risk of buckling than there once was, but the modern system was introduced to make the ride smoother for passengers and quieter for those living near the track. Removing the joints also reduces damage and maintenance requirements," says Prof Simon Iwnicki, director of Huddersfield University's Institute of Railway Research.

    Network Rail already paints "at-risk" sections of lines white to reflect more heat and reduce expansion.

    Iwnicki advocates ballast being formed into "shoulders" at the ends of sleepers to prevent sideways sliding and help to resist buckling when temperatures are high. Countries such as Japan, Germany, the Netherlands, Canada, the US and Germany use "slab track", where rails are laid on reinforced concrete slabs, holding them more rigidly. It's also used in the section of the Eurotunnel which runs under the English Channel.

    But Network Rail estimates slab track is four times dearer to install than that on sleepers and ballast, and "it's hard to make a business case" for it, even taking into account maintenance savings.

    There's some good news for commuters, however. The heatwave ends on Thursday.



    Moderator note: As we are currently discussing the rails in the Thames Valley, rather than signalling, I've taken the liberty of renaming this thread. The word 'signalling' has been replaced with the word 'infrastructure'.   :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on July 01, 2015, 17:30:03
    Not directly related to FGWland, but an interesting article nonetheless about a derailment earlier this week suspected to be linked to the current high temperatures. Article includes an interesting photo of a rather badly buckled rail taken during the 2006 heat, which illustrates what can happen when things get a bit too hot:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-33342819 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-33342819)

    I'm not entirely sure what happened to the front half of the cow in the top picture...!!  ;D



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on July 01, 2015, 17:53:21
    1653 Reading to Banbury stopper cancelled.  1723 Reading to Oxford stopper is about 40 late at Reading.  1755 Reading to Oxford stopper is 10 late.  So nothing from Reading to Tilehurst, Pangbourne etc for about 90 minutes.  Truly awful ^ but it^s good news for taxi drivers as Mrs GTBE (and others I^m sure) give up on FGW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 01, 2015, 18:00:51
    Looks fairly much like a meltdown from where I'm sat stood.
    I'd describe a meltdown as practically no trains running at all...

    So I can call a gap from 12:47 to 18:52 in services in Wiltshire today a "meltdown"?  ;)  ;D ... especially as the train that was supposed to have formed the services between got hot-weather-itis.  Almost like old times with l-o-n-g gaps, but once in a while, and with alternative road transport ... I suspect I'm much more understanding than I used to be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2015, 18:07:00
    I was lucky - bailed out early and caught the 1714 from Reading which left on time, most trains at Reading were showing delayed but not by too much, but by the time I got back to Taplow Central everything was showing up 20/30 mins late.

    Good luck getting home folks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 01, 2015, 18:22:58
    17.49 awaiting a fitter once again. Tedious tedious tedious.
    For good measure the 18.18 is delayed and the 18.42 cancelled so good luck to fellow Maidenhead victims passengers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2015, 18:28:31
    Sounds like SW trains are having problems out of Waterloo too - pal of mine is trying to get to Bracknell, turfed off at Twickenham and told he might as well go to the pub till 8


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 01, 2015, 19:00:58
    Sounds like SW trains are having problems out of Waterloo too - pal of mine is trying to get to Bracknell, turfed off at Twickenham and told he might as well go to the pub till 8

    That's what I told my wife, too.  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on July 01, 2015, 21:08:32
    Thames Valley passengers victims may be reassured (!) by this recent FGW advert for Ribena Girls (ie Customer Ambassadors):

    ^You^ll cover every inch of your station to go the extra mile for our customers. You^ll be empowered to deal with a variety of different situations. And you^ll enjoy proactively helping our passengers and brightening up their day whatever the weather.

    We help millions of rail passengers to get to where they want to go. And every single journey is important. Which is why we^re looking to take our customer service to a whole new level. 

    We^re looking for people who can provide a passenger experience like no other. Someone who can think on your feet and make quick decisions, you must be able to connect with and talk to our customers face-to-face. You should be a confident communicator who can put people at ease and help those who are worried or in a hurry in a tactful and sensitive way. Above all you^ll need to be hard working and share our ^customer first^ approach and passion for making a positive difference to the passenger experience. ^


    I think it^s fair to say that FGW provide ^a passenger experience like no other^.  And are these Human Remains people who write these adverts real? Or are they clich^ robots?

    Edited for strikethrough



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on July 01, 2015, 21:09:11
    I decided to not play their games tonight and travelled a bit later.. I got the 20.18 PAD to MAI.. It was 3 carriages..I'm not sure how may carriages it usually is though.. As soon as we got on the driver apologised for the air con not working.. I should have stayed in the pub a couple of hours longer..That had to have been 40 degrees on the train. that really isn't acceptable..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 01, 2015, 21:23:14
    At least ladies only glow while us men perspire.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 01, 2015, 21:25:02
    I sweat.

    Like a pig.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 01, 2015, 21:37:30
    Thames Valley passengers victims may be reassured (!) by this recent FGW advert for Ribena Girls (ie Customer Ambassadors):

    ^You^ll cover every inch of your station to go the extra mile for our customers. You^ll be empowered to deal with a variety of different situations. And you^ll enjoy proactively helping our passengers and brightening up their day whatever the weather.

    We help millions of rail passengers to get to where they want to go. And every single journey is important. Which is why we^re looking to take our customer service to a whole new level. 


    The one I saw at Bath Spa a couple of weeks back was sweet. She was the cleanest and best polished thing in the station, and also did a very good job of rearranging the temporary timetables, put into display cases by a colleague, back into alphabetical order. Se had the support of every male member of staff with a pulse. Job done, she jumped on the next (decent) train to Bristol, accompanied by a cohort of young men in suits (or is it a phalanx?), who appeared from nowhere, and hung on her every word all the way to BRI.

    If that's not the extra mile, what is? Unless she is paid to combat dyslexia, that is.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 01, 2015, 21:41:08
    I know one who works at Exeter St Davids and she goes not only the extra mile, but walks it - traipsing from the gateline to platforms 4 and 5 and back many times throughout her shifts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on July 01, 2015, 21:49:39
    At least ladies only glow while us men perspire.  ;D

    Ha ha there was no glowing or perspiring on that train.. Just lots of sweating...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on July 02, 2015, 07:22:40
    Problems again today. Now held on the up relief outside West Drayton. Crossed over from the up main at Dolphin Junction. Signalling problems between Slough and Southall West. No sign of movement yet.

    Correction. Now on move slowly. Up main looks blocked.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 02, 2015, 07:27:50
    Indeed. I'm on the 7.08 maid-->Padd and we're at a full stop on the relief near Slough. We just got passed by a very speedy High Speed Train (HST) on the fast line though. And now by a turbo.
    Not sure why I bother travelling during 9 months of the year.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on July 02, 2015, 09:02:32
    And now by a turbo.
     
    That Turbo came to a full stop just outside W.Drayton......
    Driver on tannoy said something about having to wait for a crossing train ahead?

    I thought it was only chickens that crossed the road.....  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 02, 2015, 09:05:03
    Problems again today. Now held on the up relief outside West Drayton. Crossed over from the up main at Dolphin Junction. Signalling problems between Slough and Southall West. No sign of movement yet.

    Correction. Now on move slowly. Up main looks blocked.


    ......maybe it's too cold and the rails are contracting?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 02, 2015, 09:19:15
    Quality of input from TM today was laughable. 
    "We are delayed due to congestion" - nope, congestion is a symptom not a cause.  Its like saying that the patient died because his heart stopped.
    Allegedly even by the time we reached Paddington (45mins late) he still didn't know the cause, despite it being on Twitter and on here all the time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on July 02, 2015, 09:25:43
    1653 Reading to Banbury stopper cancelled.  1723 Reading to Oxford stopper is about 40 late at Reading.  1755 Reading to Oxford stopper is 10 late.  So nothing from Reading to Tilehurst, Pangbourne etc for about 90 minutes.  Truly awful ^ but it^s good news for taxi drivers as Mrs GTBE (and others I^m sure) give up on FGW.

    Last night was ridiculous. The 17.05 from Maidenhead was showing as delayed due to problems with a previous service, EXACTLY the same as yesterday, whilst both trains either side were running (albeit late). I decided to work late as "delayed" means absolutely sod all to anyone, and I wasn't hanging around at Maidenhead all night again.

    I got a lift to Twyford. Waiting on the platform at 17.50-ish and they decide to inform all the Regatta visitors waiting for the train to London to come to platform 3, go to Reading and get a HST directly to Paddington. So Platform 3 went from the handful of regular commuters to scores of Regatta visitors.

    Then what arrives ? The delayed 16.57 (I think it is) from Maidenhead, reduced from 5 to 2 carriages. Cue the insane crush while everyone tries (and fails) to get on. And they were still telling customers on platform 4 to go to 3 and get the train to Reading even as the 2 carriage service was pulling in! Utterly insane.

    Thankfully I avoided that fiasco and waited for the next service which was at least the full compliment of 3 carriages this time, but when that left Reading it was horrendous, just lucky most people got off at Tilehurst so was at least not too bad for everyone over that short distance.

    Plan to leave early tonight as I worked later yesterday, so lets see what joys await tonight....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 02, 2015, 09:41:37
    The current announcement is thus:

    Cancellations to services between Acton Main Line and Slough
    Last updated 09:37
    Due to signalling problems between Acton Main Line and Slough some lines are disrupted.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 02/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on July 02, 2015, 10:06:12
    ... this recent FGW advert for Ribena Girls (ie Customer Ambassadors):
    ^You^ll cover every inch of your station to go the extra mile for our customers.
    <Extremely off-topic...>
    Remind me, when did we start using the metric system? ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 02, 2015, 10:16:14
    Still using Chains for measurement aren't we?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 02, 2015, 19:50:30
    Quality of input from TM today was laughable. 
    "We are delayed due to congestion" - nope, congestion is a symptom not a cause.  Its like saying that the patient died because his heart stopped.


    Same excuse given at Newton Abbot for the 16:04 to Plymouth (not what I was catching). Delay due to earlier delays? Same as overcrowding due to more passengers than the train will hold.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 02, 2015, 21:05:27
    I'm sure some of you will feel better to know that the French are also feeling the effect of the heat on their trains ...

    • SNCF has declared its "plan canicule", imposing speed limits as low as 40 km/hr on some parts of the network. This is partly about rails that may buckle, but also about catenary droop when the weights hit the deck.
    • On Line L out of St Lazare the overhead line was brought down by this droop yesterday, with all the chaos that causes. The linked delays across the whole Paris network led to passengers getting out of a stopped train on a Gare du Nord line, closing that line for over an hour.
    • SNCF president Guillaume Pepy was busy apologising, but claiming that over 70% of trains are air-conditioned. Of course that means nearly 30% aren't. For Paris suburban trains, however, 59% are uncooled.
    • Oh, and there was a strike on one of the RER lines ... but only locally.

    There have also been several big electricity supply failures, attributed to the heat. The biggest took out a whole region - 1 milllion customers - but was overnight, so had limited impact on the trains. What's odd is the explanations. One is that underground cables are overheating - surface heat is not meant to penetrate far into the ground, is it? The other is that high daytime humidity, followed by a large temperature fall, has led to condensation inside monitoring circuits attached to grid transformers. Four of these transformers, including one key big one, were damaged by fire in on Tuesday night alone.

    The context is the same as here - temperatures at record levels; as high relative to "as hot as we expect" as they are here. And a railway system with some parts showing their age and lack of maintenance and investment. 

    (canicule = heatwave)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 02, 2015, 23:15:12
    The context is the same as here - temperatures at record levels; as high relative to "as hot as we expect" as they are here. And a railway system with some parts showing their age and lack of maintenance and investment.

    Thanks for posting those details.  It's reassuring to see the European network suffers in much the same way ours does during extremes of weather, partly dispelling the myth that we're the only network in Europe that suffers delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 02, 2015, 23:26:53
    Underground electric cables are only very slightly affected by ground surface or air temperatures provided that they are buried at a reasonable depth.
    However underground cables are vulnerable to failure caused by overheating if overloaded by increased summer refrigeration and air conditioning load. PROLONGED heavy loading heats up the soil surrounding the cable and dries it out. Dry soil is less effective than damp soil at removing heat leading to still higher temperatures.

    A combination of high surface temperatures, high load, cables buried not deeply enough, and soil that starts dryer than normal due to a drought, or soil with a greater than expected thermal resistivity can have serious consequences.

    The text book case was a huge power failure some years ago in Auckland, New Zealand.
    A combination of higher than expected load, soil of greater than assumed thermal resistivity, non optimum cable type, delays in installing extra cables, and other factors resulted in one of the worst ever power failures in the developed world.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 02, 2015, 23:35:46
    The context is the same as here - temperatures at record levels; as high relative to "as hot as we expect" as they are here. And a railway system with some parts showing their age and lack of maintenance and investment.

    Thanks for posting those details.  It's reassuring to see the European network suffers in much the same way ours does during extremes of weather, partly dispelling the myth that we're the only network in Europe that suffers delays.

    I don't think you can generalise to the rest of Europe - each country's current state will be dictated by its own  history. The French 'classic' network happens to have ended up in a state rather like ours, but because the priority given to building the LGV network stole all the money.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 02, 2015, 23:52:33
    At least ladies only glow while us men perspire.  ;D

    Ha ha there was no glowing or perspiring on that train.. Just lots of sweating...

    One of my female delivery driver colleagues, on returning to the store in the height of the heatwave, announced indignantly that 'her trousers were sticking to her @rse'.  I agreed with another male driver, this was 'too much information!'  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2015, 14:38:32
    Last updated 14:37
    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington
         
    Due to signalling problems between Slough and London Paddington the London bound relief line is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 06/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2015, 19:10:03
    This will be interesting if it continues into tomorrow with the Henley Regatta starting however I think there will be extra services on that branch anyway to allow for this.

    Good to see the Regatta passing off pretty smoothly this year, no doubt helped by a cooling of the temperature at the weekend.

    From what I saw the train plan worked very well, the best for several years, with what appeared to be much more strengthened trains on the relief line services, especially on the Sunday which has been a big problem in the past!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: FremlinsMan on July 07, 2015, 21:19:00
    File on Four this evening covered Network Rail's problems in many regions, including the Thames Valley. The programme page is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b060zvnd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b060zvnd)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 08, 2015, 08:31:17
    Off topic visit to Punsville has been moved to The Lighter Side:

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15920.0


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 08, 2015, 08:52:32
    there was this post that you've included in that move....

    File on Four this evening covered Network Rail's problems in many regions, including the Thames Valley. The programme page is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b060zvnd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b060zvnd)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 08, 2015, 09:09:57
    I was working on it.  ::)

    Fixed now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 08, 2015, 18:46:11

    Cancellations to services between Chippenham and Swindon

    Due to poor rail conditions between Chippenham and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on the Swindon bound line.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    ...............surely its not too hot today? Not good with people trying to get away before the strike starts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 08, 2015, 18:58:24
    Perhaps the rails were damaged by the stone train that had an unsolicited brake application this morning.

    Edit: Nope. There's a kink at Chippenham.

    Not sure which one though. Could be Ray, could be one of the other band members.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 08, 2015, 19:29:53
    Perhaps the rails were damaged by the stone train that had an unsolicited brake application this morning.

    Edit: Nope. There's a kink at Chippenham.

    Not sure which one though. Could be Ray, could be one of the other band members.

    And that bnm is how tangents start :) but not from me as I'm enjoying  a "sunny  afternoon" :) is that a yellow card ?
    N


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 08, 2015, 19:35:20
    Perhaps the rails were damaged by the stone train that had an unsolicited brake application this morning.

    Edit: Nope. There's a kink at Chippenham.

    Not sure which one though. Could be Ray, could be one of the other band members.

    And that bnm is how tangents start :) but not from me as I'm enjoying  a "sunny  afternoon" :) is that a yellow card ?
    N

    I thought you were serious. You really got me.

    Another split on the way...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 09, 2015, 20:22:29
    According to RTT, tonight's 1812 PAD-HOT was "cancelled between Twyford and Henley-on-Thames due to disorder (VA)" Anyone know what happened? Lionel Richie fans kicking off?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 09, 2015, 21:45:06
    Seems it stretched to Chiltern too...can't be a coincidence?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on July 09, 2015, 22:34:48
    According to RTT, tonight's 1812 PAD-HOT was "cancelled between Twyford and Henley-on-Thames due to disorder (VA)" Anyone know what happened? Lionel Richie fans kicking off?  ;D

    Disturbance on platform at Maidenhead, police called and came and dealt with it as far as I know.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 09, 2015, 23:24:31
    I've seen it reported as a 'domestic disturbance'.  :-\ ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2015, 09:25:41
    Commuter husband & wife kicking off then...:-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 10, 2015, 09:33:25
    Probably. But a domestic disturbance is one that happens in a domestic environment. I doubt those involved lived on Maidenhead station.

    Or it could have been a ruckus between two charladies!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2015, 09:39:11
    Don't agree - a ';domestic' can occur anywhere - often in pubs/clubs etc. Just means partners arguing


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 10, 2015, 11:57:18
    Don't agree - a ';domestic' can occur anywhere - often in pubs/clubs etc. Just means partners arguing

    I'm with Chris B on this one - it's certainly not restricted to the house - try watching the Jeremy Kyle show! (......I don't....honest.....someone told me about it!  :-[  )


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 10, 2015, 20:08:48
    .... - try watching the Jeremy Kyle show!

    Must I?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 15, 2015, 16:22:04
    Most trains to or from Greenford now cancelled due to signalling problems. Again, not of course the fault of FGW but such frequent failures do to me cast doubts over the competency of network rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 15, 2015, 16:44:57
    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Following signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some London bound relief lines have now reopened.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 17:30 15/07.

    "some" ? How many London bound relief lines are there ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 17, 2015, 08:55:36
    I had an interesting experience yesterday evening. Due to a signalling problem around Reading West (that was the only details I heard) the Reading to Basingstoke service http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P02788/2015/07/16/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P02788/2015/07/16/advanced) came in on P12B rather than P2.
    It then went some way eastwards before pausing and then pulling back into Reading I think on P7. It was then able to proceed down towards Basingstoke.

    Was the fault on the inbound track towards Reading, causing the service to take a scenic route under the viaduct ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on July 17, 2015, 21:52:39
    Don't agree - a ';domestic' can occur anywhere - often in pubs/clubs etc. Just means partners arguing

    I'm with Chris B on this one - it's certainly not restricted to the house - try watching the Jeremy Kyle show! (......I don't....honest.....someone told me about it!  :-[  )



    Id rather poke my own eyes out !.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2015, 09:12:23
    Lots of short forms/alterations and the odd cancellation this morning due to "members of staff unavailable" ......am I right in thinking that there's an overtime ban following on from the recent strike or is it just sickies/poor rostering etc again?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sprinterguard on July 19, 2015, 10:04:38
    There is no overtime ban.

    Sundays are not within the working week for the majority of (if not all) train crew including drivers and guards. Therefore it's possible to make yourself unavailable to work them. Much of it runs on goodwill, and there isn't much about at the moment!

    With it now being the school holidays, it will not get any better.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2015, 10:19:05
    There is no overtime ban.

    Sundays are not within the working week for the majority of (if not all) train crew including drivers and guards. Therefore it's possible to make yourself unavailable to work them. Much of it runs on goodwill, and there isn't much about at the moment!

    With it now being the school holidays, it will not get any better.



    I sometimes wonder whether the railways are run for the benefit of customers or staff.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 19, 2015, 10:56:29
    Comes down to economics. Normally there are enough staff wanting the overtime to cover shifts and that is cheaper than employing full time staff members.  More full time staff means more costs which is likely to affect fares - the unregulated ones at least.

    So I don't think it is all a case of putting the railway first.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 19, 2015, 11:22:04
    I do feel though that new staff should be required to work on Sundays, perhaps up to say 12 Sundays a year.
    There is nothing unreasonable in this for new staff, if you feel it to be unreasonable then don't take the job.

    It would not be reasonable to force this on existing staff who joined when Sunday working was optional.

    The problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to new staff being on a different contract of employment to existing staff.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2015, 17:06:21
    I do feel though that new staff should be required to work on Sundays, perhaps up to say 12 Sundays a year.
    There is nothing unreasonable in this for new staff, if you feel it to be unreasonable then don't take the job.

    It would not be reasonable to force this on existing staff who joined when Sunday working was optional.

    The problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to new staff being on a different contract of employment to existing staff.

    If recent evidence is anything to go by, the problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to any change or progess at all.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 19, 2015, 20:08:40
    If I may offer my own situation (albeit not railway related) purely as an example: I have chosen to work as a delivery driver for my employer every Sunday.

    That's because it suits me: in return, I get every Wednesday off - which also suits me.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 19, 2015, 21:28:20
    I do feel though that new staff should be required to work on Sundays, perhaps up to say 12 Sundays a year.
    There is nothing unreasonable in this for new staff, if you feel it to be unreasonable then don't take the job.

    It would not be reasonable to force this on existing staff who joined when Sunday working was optional.

    The problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to new staff being on a different contract of employment to existing staff.

    If recent evidence is anything to go by, the problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to any change or progess at all.

    Its not that Trade Unions are against progress, what they are against in the eroding of hard won rights and conditions of employment.  We all would be in a worse place employment wise without the Trade Union movement whether you are in Union or not there are things we all take for granted to day the Unions gained for use all, 40 hour working week, paid holidays, maternity leave, the list goes on.

    Do I believe every strike is justified no, am I in a Union no (have not been since the Railways go Majored, also the Union that covers my role is toothless so not worth the fee, just my opinion of them) but I do believe every employee should have the right to be in a Union and have the right provided it is correctly balloted and negotiations have come to an impass to withdraw labour otherwise 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 20, 2015, 10:11:09
    I do feel though that new staff should be required to work on Sundays, perhaps up to say 12 Sundays a year.
    There is nothing unreasonable in this for new staff, if you feel it to be unreasonable then don't take the job.

    It would not be reasonable to force this on existing staff who joined when Sunday working was optional.

    The problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to new staff being on a different contract of employment to existing staff.

    If recent evidence is anything to go by, the problem is that trades unions are, in general, opposed to any change or progess at all.

    Its not that Trade Unions are against progress, what they are against in the eroding of hard won rights and conditions of employment.  We all would be in a worse place employment wise without the Trade Union movement whether you are in Union or not there are things we all take for granted to day the Unions gained for use all, 40 hour working week, paid holidays, maternity leave, the list goes on.

    Do I believe every strike is justified no, am I in a Union no (have not been since the Railways go Majored, also the Union that covers my role is toothless so not worth the fee, just my opinion of them) but I do believe every employee should have the right to be in a Union and have the right provided it is correctly balloted and negotiations have come to an impass to withdraw labour otherwise 

    There is much to be said for the merits of the  fight to gain the rights you mention, much of which took place in a different world decades ago, however there is also the need to adapt to a changing world and the needs of customers....we no longer live in a 9-5, Mon-Fri world and people need to travel at weekends for work, leisure, to visit families etc and they need a service which they can rely on.

    It's all very well waving outdated contracts around which state you don't have to work Sundays, Boxing Day etc but the railways are there to provide a service to their customers as well as their staff, so those contracts, attitudes and working conditions need to change to reflect this, without the constant threat of strikes etc..........the recent strikes on the Underground illustrate this outdated attitude perfectly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sprinterguard on July 20, 2015, 11:10:25
    There is no overtime ban.

    Sundays are not within the working week for the majority of (if not all) train crew including drivers and guards. Therefore it's possible to make yourself unavailable to work them. Much of it runs on goodwill, and there isn't much about at the moment!

    With it now being the school holidays, it will not get any better.



    I sometimes wonder whether the railways are run for the benefit of customers or staff.

    Christ, I know you hate the railways but don't take it out on us. The majority of railway staff would have started their jobs well after any Sunday agreements were made.

    Don't tell me if you were in railway employment and had the opportunity to take all or some the Sundays you could work off because it meant you spent more time with your family or friends or to attend events you wouldn't!

    FWIW, I work my Sundays. But that's my choice.

    Edited to fix quotes - bobm


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 20, 2015, 11:54:54
    Don't be silly, it's not a question of hating anyone or anything, it's just frustrating that whereas most other organisations and their workforces accept the need to meet customer demand and adapt their working practices accordingly, SOME rail staff/Unions(and Underground staff/unions) seem determined to dig their heels in and prioritise their own interests above all else, and there seems to be a very casual attitude to the inconvenience caused to the public.

    ......and yes, I'd love to have "all or some" of Sundays off to spend more time with friends and family, but when I joined an organisation that serves the public 7 days a week I sort of accepted that I'd have to balance my own interests with those of my customers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 20, 2015, 11:59:58
    I work 36 Saturdays and Sundays a year and I quite enjoy doing so as it gives me the chance to have time off during the week.  I'm self employed so it is definitely my choice.  Although when I was employed I still worked most Saturdays and a fair few Sundays.

    Perhaps because I went to a school which had lessons on a Saturday I have never attached so much importance to weekends.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 20, 2015, 20:24:13
    My trade, prior to personal issues, was hospitality. Customer first.

    I worked days, nights, Saturdays, Sundays, Bank Holidays, all at either fixed hourly rate or contracted salaried hours. No such thing as weekends or bank holidays being outside the 'working week'. No two day shutdown at Christmas. Overtime at standard hourly rate.

    If I was rostered to work a Sunday, I worked a Sunday. I could never say, "Sun's out, I'm not coming in."

    The working practices of the railway are outdated.  It is perfectly possible to have a work/life balance while working Sundays. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2015, 17:17:27
    Looks like similar problems today - Cornish branch line services virtually non existent due to "members of train crew being unavailable" and cancellations/alterations to services to Devon, Bristol and Wales for the same reason.

    Not a great advert for the railways as the holiday season gets underway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 26, 2015, 18:08:02
    We've drifted a bit with this topic.

    Let's get back to the specifics of infrastructure problems in the Thames Valley.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 28, 2015, 13:47:52
    Due to emergency engineering works between London Paddington and Slough the Reading bound main line is blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 28/07.

    ..........looks to be mostly affecting Oxford services and intermediate stations between Reading - Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 28, 2015, 15:15:47
    A cracked Insulated Rail Joint near Southall needed repairs which has led to the line closure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 28, 2015, 15:37:31
    But the good news is it took 90 minutes less than expected to fix.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on August 07, 2015, 16:56:39
    Not looking good for todays evening peak.
    Many cancellations and numerous other trains running for only a part of the advertised route.

    Mainly signalling failure, but a few train faults also.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 07, 2015, 16:58:18
    Not looking good for todays evening peak.
    Many cancellations and numerous other trains running for only a part of the advertised route.

    Mainly signalling failure, but a few train faults also.

    ...........head to the pub and watch England win the Ashes?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on August 07, 2015, 18:59:30
    Good luck out there if you're heading home tonight. Did someone mention 'It's been a while since a really bad one?'  ???

    Quote
    No estimate for movement of services to/from Paddington. If possible, please use Marylebone (@ChilternRailway) or Waterloo (@SW_Trains).

    https://twitter.com/FGW/status/629711959290736640


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on August 07, 2015, 19:24:16
    Good luck out there if you're heading home tonight. Did someone mention 'It's been a while since a really bad one?'  ???

    Quote
    No estimate for movement of services to/from Paddington. If possible, please use Marylebone (@ChilternRailway) or Waterloo (@SW_Trains).

    https://twitter.com/FGW/status/629711959290736640

    TfL website is saying that Paddington Bakerloo Line station is currently closed "to prevent overcrowding on the National Rail station." Meanwhile:

    https://twitter.com/Khan_Sahil/status/629716325246599168 (https://twitter.com/Khan_Sahil/status/629716325246599168)

    Quote
    Two people collapsed on train. One unconscious on platform.

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL0zbqlWcAAdBdQ.jpg)

     :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 07, 2015, 19:47:09
    Jesus Christ.
    Just so I know what are the rules regarding provision of taxis? Ie do fgw have to get everyone home if it remains fubar?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 07, 2015, 19:53:32
    For the record. Unused tickets for today will be accepted tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 07, 2015, 20:16:55
    What about actually getting home?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 07, 2015, 20:22:11
    What about actually getting home?

    As I said "For the record"....

    I think this could have knock on effects tomorrow anyway.  West Country crews at Paddington will be out of hours for tomorrow by the time some of them get home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 07, 2015, 20:23:54
    I didn't mean to be troublesome. Just wondering how people will get home tonight and when they will crack open the taxi jar?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 07, 2015, 20:28:13
    Certainly hasn't happened yet, judging by a tweet from @FGW 5 minutes ago. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 07, 2015, 21:21:03
    Signalling restored at 21:17 - but that's not going to mean an instant return to normal working unfortunately.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on August 07, 2015, 22:21:23
    Video and pictures of the scene at Paddington this evening:
    http://news.sky.com/story/1532243/chaos-as-london-commuter-trains-disrupted

    Not surprised Tube trains didn't stop at Paddington for a time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 07, 2015, 22:27:44
    I was one of the hundreds making their way from Paddington to Waterloo about 630pm. 'Twas busy but the tube station was still open but if they did close it later I'm not surprised.

    On the 720pm service from Waterloo to Reading I thought at one point it was going to be taken out of service because their was a problems with one of the doors on the right of the train but the guard and the driver managed to fix it and we "only" lost 15 minutes.

    I would describe the status of Reading as chaos. This is no reflection on the FGW staff who did their best to help in a very difficult situation BUT there appeared to be some third party staff who were trying to help but speant a lot of time shrugging shoulders which wound a lot of people up.

    Yesterday I endured the stress of the tube strike and if there was any way I could have avoided going I would have done. All I can say is "thank God it's Friday"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 07, 2015, 22:42:47
    I'm at Marylebone doing my first ever 'tickets are accepted' journey. I have a cab booked at high Wycombe to take me to Maidenhead and will be invoicing fgw for that. I'll keep you posted on how that argument progresses over the next 6 months.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 07, 2015, 23:01:16
    As an aside, I'm suddenly aware of how remarkable pleasant my journey is. Nice seat, A seat, relaxed passengers, toilet effluent isn't swimming around my ankles, the driver is talking audibly and pleasantly. Wow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 07, 2015, 23:32:48
    ... do fgw have to get everyone home if it remains fubar?

    Before anyone queries it: I have already added an entry for 'fubar' in the Coffee Shop forum's Acronyms/Abbreviations page (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html).  :-X


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 08, 2015, 07:43:23
    ... do fgw have to get everyone home if it remains fubar?

    Before anyone queries it: I have already added an entry for 'fubar' in the Coffee Shop forum's Acronyms/Abbreviations page (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html).  :-X

    Well done for "toning down" the word that may cause offence :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2015, 08:43:53
    ... do fgw have to get everyone home if it remains fubar?

    Before anyone queries it: I have already added an entry for 'fubar' in the Coffee Shop forum's Acronyms/Abbreviations page (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html).  :-X

    Well done for "toning down" the word that may cause offence :)

    On a general point - for those who were involved/got caught up in the chaos last night (thankfully I didn't) - pretty much the worst ever? Looking at the pictures, listening to the interviews and reading social media it would certainly seem pretty much that way.

    On a technical point - FGW/NR are FUBAR, last night was a SNAFU!

    Let's hope for a quiet few days, although I note there are quite a few problems already today.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on August 08, 2015, 08:49:09
    Today looks no better, with half a dozen cancellations of long distance services and several dozen "other amendments", mainly trains serving only part of the route.

    Mainly signalling faults, but a few due to staff shortages and one due to "passengers causing a disturbance earlier" rioting over last nights fiasco perhaps.

    According to the FGW website this is a good service !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 08, 2015, 08:57:30
    On a technical point - FGW/NR are FUBAR, last night was a SNAFU!

    I have also added SNAFU to the Coffee Shop forum's Acronyms/Abbreviations (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html) page.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on August 08, 2015, 09:26:33
    Re post 838, "persons passed out on train due to heat/overcrowding"
    It should be noted that yesterday evening was not in fact that hot. Sooner or later one of these increasingly frequent major failures is going to coincide with really hot weather.
    Combine that with trains on which the air conditioning does not work, and with limited opening windows, and I fear that lives will be put at risk and perhaps lost.
    The risks would be compounded on electric trains if the traction current failed or was turned off.

    As I have stated elsewhere on these forums, I have misgivings regarding the new SETs, however they do have one point in their favour which is the inclusion of limited diesel power on the "electric" sets.
    When the wires come down, or the traction current is isolated for an emergency the ability to run the air conditioning could be vital.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 08, 2015, 09:37:08
    Can't wait for Meet the Manager at Paddington this Thursday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2015, 09:43:27
    Re post 838, "persons passed out on train due to heat/overcrowding"
    It should be noted that yesterday evening was not in fact that hot. Sooner or later one of these increasingly frequent major failures is going to coincide with really hot weather.
    Combine that with trains on which the air conditioning does not work, and with limited opening windows, and I fear that lives will be put at risk and perhaps lost.
    The risks would be compounded on electric trains if the traction current failed or was turned off.

    As I have stated elsewhere on these forums, I have misgivings regarding the new SETs, however they do have one point in their favour which is the inclusion of limited diesel power on the "electric" sets.
    When the wires come down, or the traction current is isolated for an emergency the ability to run the air conditioning could be vital.

    ............but as FGW will repeatedly tell you, there are no risks to health and safety associated with "crowding" on their trains and there are no limits...........they normally add the rider along the lines of it being your fault if you choose to get on an already overcrowded train, rather than waiting for the next overcrowded train..... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 08, 2015, 09:45:43
    The next Meet the Manager session is indeed at London Paddington - between 0700 and 1000 - on Thursday 13 August 2015.

    For completeness - from the First Great Western website (https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/about-us/customer-services/meet-the-manager):

    Quote
    Next Meet the Manager at the station
    - London Paddington - between 0700 and 1000 - Thursday 13 August 2015
    - Reading - between 1600 and 1900 - Tuesday 06 October 2015
    - London Paddington - between 1600 and 1900 - Thursday 10 December 2015


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on August 08, 2015, 09:52:15
    What we really want is a meet the NETWORK RAIL manager since it is often their defective infrastructure that is to blame.

    FGW could do better, especially by ensuring that they have enough staff, but most of the recent problems are network rail, not FGW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 08, 2015, 09:57:14
    What we really want is a meet the NETWORK RAIL manager since it is often their defective infrastructure that is to blame.

    FGW could do better, especially by ensuring that they have enough staff, but most of the recent problems are network rail, not FGW.

    I totally agree BG - the main aspect I think FGW could improve is how they communicate with the public when things go wrong. I am thinking of getting in touch with them to see if there is any benefit in having an objective round table session with some of the regular customers to get their input. I stress objective because there would be no point in doing this if it just turned into a moaning session

    I've added a picture of an unusual sight at Paddington station last night...every picture tells a story etc


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on August 08, 2015, 10:06:46
    West Wales services have borne the brunt of the cancellations following yesterday's disruption with no GW services running on the Pembroke line.

    Doesn't bode well for the future for direct trains from London if it was decided to can all GW Pembroke trains in the height of the summer season.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 08, 2015, 10:36:31
    Saw this headline on the bbc and thought my dreams had come true...

    Delayed passengers 'missing out on millions in compensation'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33833059


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on August 08, 2015, 11:18:35
    What we really want is a meet the NETWORK RAIL manager since it is often their defective infrastructure that is to blame.

    FGW could do better, especially by ensuring that they have enough staff, but most of the recent problems are network rail, not FGW.

    Many complaints are due to overcrowding which is the DFT responsibility and who hide further into the background than Network Rail.   The TOCs are to blame for everything so far as Jo Public is concerned.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on August 08, 2015, 11:20:55

    On a general point - for those who were involved/got caught up in the chaos last night (thankfully I didn't) - pretty much the worst ever? Looking at the pictures, listening to the interviews and reading social media it would certainly seem pretty much that way.

    On a technical point - FGW/NR are FUBAR, last night was a SNAFU!

    Let's hope for a quiet few days, although I note there are quite a few problems already today.


    I also wasn't caught up in last night's problems but I'd guess that the disruption on July 25th last year was that bit worse because there was absolutely NOTHING running between PAD and RDG for several hours due to a lightning strike at Ruscombe and SWT wasn't an option because they were SNAFU too. I had to share a taxi to TWY with 3 others with a fare on the meter of ^145. And it's thanks to that evening that I wasn't caught up in last night's problems because on the following Monday I put in a job transfer request to the Reading branch of the organisation I work for, and I started working there last January.  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2015, 16:23:38
    What we really want is a meet the NETWORK RAIL manager since it is often their defective infrastructure that is to blame.

    FGW could do better, especially by ensuring that they have enough staff, but most of the recent problems are network rail, not FGW.

    Many complaints are due to overcrowding which is the DFT responsibility and who hide further into the background than Network Rail.   The TOCs are to blame for everything so far as Jo Public is concerned.

    That's because it's the TOC to whom "Jo" (or Joe!) Public hands thousands of ^ a year to, so they every right to expect them to provide a decent service and an explanation/communication when things go wrong, as well as managing the relationship effectively with NR/DfT.....whatever the relationships are, it's not something the customer should have to worry about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2015, 16:28:47

    On a general point - for those who were involved/got caught up in the chaos last night (thankfully I didn't) - pretty much the worst ever? Looking at the pictures, listening to the interviews and reading social media it would certainly seem pretty much that way.

    On a technical point - FGW/NR are FUBAR, last night was a SNAFU!

    Let's hope for a quiet few days, although I note there are quite a few problems already today.


    I also wasn't caught up in last night's problems but I'd guess that the disruption on July 25th last year was that bit worse because there was absolutely NOTHING running between PAD and RDG for several hours due to a lightning strike at Ruscombe and SWT wasn't an option because they were SNAFU too. I had to share a taxi to TWY with 3 others with a fare on the meter of ^145. And it's thanks to that evening that I wasn't caught up in last night's problems because on the following Monday I put in a job transfer request to the Reading branch of the organisation I work for, and I started working there last January.  :)

    I recall that incident too, and I too jumped in a cab (from Reading) and was refunded in full (^45) by FGW without question...........this is why I always recommend people to stick in a claim whether or it may appear to be "consequential losses", if you ask, you often get, regardless of this absurd blanket exclusion which is generally cited.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 08, 2015, 17:20:06
    Last night coincided with Slough and Windsor Railway Society annual barbeque. Very quite evening, with just the Windsor branch and a Reading Slough shuttle reversing in Platform 5. That was until around 20:45 when the first High Speed Train's (HST)s came through. The first ones from Padd were definitely full and standing!

    You might have seen us siting outside the Manor with a very smokey barbeque.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SirBroccoli on August 10, 2015, 23:24:19
    At the same time the generic apology went out at lunchtime today, they also announced that a void day would not be declared. Dodgy decision in my opinion, especially given that there was less disruption on 8/12/14, when the last void day was declared after two broken High Speed Train's (HST)s outside Paddington.

    Time for the declaration of void days to be taken out of TOC hands methinks..

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 11, 2015, 07:15:39
    Totally agree. Full compensation should be payable to all travellers, including season ticket holders who get a very rough deal at the moment.
    I already plan to raise this at the meet the manager session on Thursday, where I was going to enquire why 28th December wasn't void when fgw ran nothing at all at any time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 11, 2015, 09:04:04
    Totally agree. Full compensation should be payable to all travellers, including season ticket holders who get a very rough deal at the moment.
    I already plan to raise this at the meet the manager session on Thursday, where I was going to enquire why 28th December wasn't void when fgw ran nothing at all at any time.

    May be worth asking how much compensation FGW received/will receive from Network Rail (NR)?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 13, 2015, 18:13:41
    So it was Meet the Manager session this morning. I had a chat with some representatives about a number of issues including void days and left still unclear/fobbed off.
    Did anyone else get any useful information?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 13, 2015, 18:45:08
    Quote from this morning "turbos are much more reliable than hst's which is why they rarely break down". Cue cancellation of the 18.18 turbo and 1000 Maidenhead passengers squeezing on to the 18.42 3 carriage to Bourne end via Slough and magical 20min detour that no one understands.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Andrew on August 13, 2015, 21:28:33
    So it was Meet the Manager session this morning. I had a chat with some representatives about a number of issues including void days and left still unclear/fobbed off.
    Did anyone else get any useful information?

    I got told that FGW get negative publicity and public criticism if they declare a void day as this is then excluded from their PPM performance measures which impacts season ticket discounts. I was told they were damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    I was also told that in the past that FGW had been too generous in declaring void days, and that they have since made a corporate decision to assess the criteria rather more strictly. The manager wasn't able to explain what these criteria actually are, and agreed with me that these need to be better publicised. Indeed I was told they would pursue this with their web team as a high priority.

    On last Friday, she said that disruption did not impact enough of the day to be declared void. The manager I was speaking with didn't know the reasons for the 28th December but they promised they would get back to me with an explanation and took my email.

    All in all, whilst I didn't really come away particularly convinced by any of this, I did get the impression that some of my points about the lack of transparency in the way void days are declared was at least heard with a degree of sympathy. They also admitted that this issue had been raised by a number of other people that morning.

    If I ever hear anything more I'll let you know.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 13, 2015, 21:33:24
    Andrew, thank you for an informative first post.  We will wait with interest to see if you hear anymore, in the meantime may I welcome you to the Coffee Shop?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on August 13, 2015, 21:56:11
    Quote from this morning "turbos are much more reliable than hst's which is why they rarely break down". Cue cancellation of the 18.18 turbo.

    I see that whilst the 18:18 was cancelled due to a fault, the men with spanners came out, not only got it fixed but managed to upgrade it's performance rather impressively...
    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O18385/2015/08/13/advanced


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 14, 2015, 08:46:45
    Quote from this morning "turbos are much more reliable than hst's which is why they rarely break down". Cue cancellation of the 18.18 turbo.

    I see that whilst the 18:18 was cancelled due to a fault, the men with spanners came out, not only got it fixed but managed to upgrade it's performance rather impressively...
    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O18385/2015/08/13/advanced

     :o :o They must have fitted extra turbos, a lot of intercooling and may be NOx 201 mph ..................... impressive  ::) ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on August 14, 2015, 12:22:24
    I'm confused about why taking 1hr 21mins to go to Oxford non stop is impressive? :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 14, 2015, 15:14:17
    I'm confused about why taking 1hr 21mins to go to Oxford non stop is impressive? :)
    Have a look at the 'timed for' speed in the header of the schedule :D
    There seems to be a problem with this for quite a few schedules in RTT at present .


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on August 14, 2015, 16:23:42
    So it was Meet the Manager session this morning. I had a chat with some representatives about a number of issues including void days and left still unclear/fobbed off.
    Did anyone else get any useful information?

    On last Friday, she said that disruption did not impact enough of the day to be declared void. The manager I was speaking with didn't know the reasons for the 28th December but they promised they would get back to me with an explanation and took my email.


    So being a couple of hours late, lots of uncertainty, a missed appointment and the cost of a taxi from High Wycombe to Twyford isn't enough of an impact? And judging by the number of people at Paddington and Marylebone I don't think I was alone in this.

    Never mind the inability to provide accurate information about an incident - actually its more false information as according to Journey check on the day my train was on time until not long before its departure.

    Deep breaths...
     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 14, 2015, 18:01:00
    Thanks Andrew for your reply and again, welcome to the forum. What you received as feedback was very similar to what I was told. The hilarity of FGW's responses was mind blowing:
    - when I asked why last Friday wasn't a void day I was told that it didn't affect enough of the day to count.
    - so I asked why Dec 27th wasn't a void day when FGW ran nothing, and I was told that because it was a Saturday it didn't count because void days are used when they affect commuters and rush hour services.
    - "like on Friday, when it was at rush hour?" I queried.
    - no response of any substance other than "we'll get accused of manipulating figures"

    Yeah right. Cheating liars.

     I asked Jo Elliott why I had to write to the ceo to get a correct answer on obtaining refunds for First Class standing journeys, having had 4 incorrect letters from Customer Service. I put it to her that misinformation was deliberately circulated to fob passengers off - an accusation she definitely didn't like. So it's just ineptitude and not malicious. You heard it here first.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on August 14, 2015, 18:15:20
    I'm confused about why taking 1hr 21mins to go to Oxford non stop is impressive? :)
    Have a look at the 'timed for' speed in the header of the schedule :D
    There seems to be a problem with this for quite a few schedules in RTT at present .

    Ha, oops, didn't spot that one!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on August 17, 2015, 16:31:01
    Does anyone know what's been going on today ?
    I was receiving automated SMS for disruption RDG->PAD this morning but only after I'd gotten to London (08:30)
    As of 16:00 I'm getting texts warning of minor delays following the main line reopening after problems at Hayes.
    Has something been ongoing all day ? [ I'm only setup for alerts during my commuter slots ].


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 17, 2015, 16:57:02
    I got back to Taplow at about 1400 and the signs were showing grim warnings about signal failures at Hayes, cancellations, delays etc but everything seemed to be running pretty much to time..........I guess it could be that as these signal failures are so frequent, they form part of the daily course of events, and are advertised as such?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 17, 2015, 19:03:36
    Paddington is a mess again. All trains showing delays. Useless.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 17, 2015, 19:20:00
    Interesting article in the Swindon Advertiser  (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13601423.FGW_boss_Mark_Hopwood_on_delays__nationalisation_and_Twitter_abuse/)featuring Mark Hopwood

    Quote
    ON the evening of Friday, August 7, PAUL JONES was among thousands of commuters who faced long delays getting home on the trains after a power failure brought services to a halt.

    On August 14, he went to meet managing director of First Great Western, Mark Hopwood, to talk about such delays - and the next stop for the rail industry...

    "SOMEONE got hold of my mobile number and rang me late at night and early in the morning. That wasn't great."

    On the evening of Friday, August 7, Mark Hopwood was probably the most reviled man in the south west.

    For Mr Hopwood is the managing director of train operator First Great Western (FGW), which had seen a power failure between Reading and London Paddington bring about the cancellation of a raft of services, leaving thousands of commuters facing long delays getting home for the weekend.

    I was among commuters that night, getting a train home two hours after I was due to, putting the key into my front door at around 10pm - long after my six-month-old daughter had gone to bed.

    This was not the first time I had faced delays when using First Great Western, as anyone who follows me on Twitter (@PogalJoners) would be aware of, so I was keen to meet Mr Hopwood when he agreed to my interview request.

    However, I discovered the ire of commuters like me is something the man in charge of Swindon's trains is used to - and prepared to face.

    "It doesn't particularly bother me," he says. "If people have paid a lot of money, they expect a good service.

    "But because I know we are doing so much I feel quite comfortable about fronting up in the debate and saying 'look, we're doing this, this and this'.

    "The reality is, we are addressing most of the things people are concerned about, it's just whether it is happening fast enough."

    Mark Hopwood is a man of the railways and seems almost unaware of the size of his own job - managing a billion-pound rail company which moves millions of people every year.

    "It's a big job, but you get used to it," he says when I ask about the weight he must feel on his shoulders.

    His passion for the industry cannot be denied.

    As a child, he was not allowed access to his grandfather's house until he recalled the stations he passed through on his journey, and he memorised the signal numbers on the route from his Thames Valley home to Reading station ("they have changed them now, so I don't know them anymore").

    He started working on the railways in 1989 and rose through the ranks, becoming managing director of First Great Western in December 2008.

    Now, with a family of his own, he doesn't impose the same memory tests on his own children, saying he would support them working in the industry, but not pressure them to do so. 

    He does have a Twitter account ("I don't really use it") but says many of his most ardent abusers have refused to meet him face to face to discuss their complaints - which he does understand.

    "Reliability and punctuality isn't where we want it to be," says Mr Hopwood, who commutes by train himself from his home in Didcot to Swindon or Paddington.

    "It has got slightly better, by about one per cent, but that's not the type of improvement we want to achieve."

    He pointed to the recruitment of more drivers and train managers, as well as the doubling of the line between Swindon and Kemble, as reasons for hope among commuters.

    "If you look at why trains are late, look at the causes and break it down, it centres on two things; infrastructure, which Network Rail maintains, and reliability, which we control," he says.

    "When you look at disruption, most of it comes down to the reliability of the infrastructure between Swindon and Paddington.

    "We have had a number of problems in the sections between Reading and London Paddington.

    "The particular problem is the infrastructure between Swindon and London.

    "From Didcot to Reading, the reliability has been pretty challenging and for Swindon, that makes a big difference.

    "Last Friday (August 7), there was a catastrophic loss of the power supply, with power supply issues between the provider and Network Rail's supply. 

    "Those type of events, they don't mean people are a little bit late, they mean trains are not travelling."

    He added: "The answer is that there have been some improvements but they are not of the scale we would have wanted to see."

    Projects such as the electrification and the Crossrail scheme (which will boost capacity and cut journey times in London) will also improve the experience for Swindon people travelling to the capital, he says.

    And he nods acceptingly as I explain that many of us can't see any changes - our trains aren't any earlier, or more comfortable, and we still see delays - even though we are told of investment and improvements. 

    "There is a lot going on," he says. "And the investment that is committed - and it is committed - is going to make a big difference.

    "We are asking customers to bear with us through some challenging times while that's done. But we are trying to give people improvements now."

    For Swindon, where First Great Western has its headquarters and employs around 250 people, the outlook is good, he says, as links are boosted between the south west and London.

    "People in this area are going to see more investment probably than any other part of the country, in terms of more capacity," Mr Hopwood says.

    He also says things are set to improve after the completion of the electrification of the western mainline, with the new Hitachi electric trains increasing capacity when they reach our stations some time between late 2017 and early 2018 - although he admits things may be delayed after a government report into Network Rail's working timetable.

    "What you will see is more seats, journey time improvements and for a number of routes, frequency improvements," he says, clearly excited by the changes.

    "A lot of the problem with railway improvement is that it takes a long time and I think that is a challenge.

    "We're seeing more people travel. We're growing as a business, growing a lot faster than the economy is growing.

    "Didcot and Swindon have seen a growth in house building, with people commuting into London.

    "People want to see improvements and want to see them quickly, but these are the timescales involved when you are building and re-building a network."

    And later this year, people will no longer use First Great Western trains, but instead board new-look trains operated by the Great Western Railway (GWR), the new name for FGW. 

    "We thought with all this investment, now was a good time to think about what we mean, as a business, to our customers.

    "Having the trains is interesting to some people, and how we run the service we provide and how we present that to our customers.

    "Originally, GWR was built by a guy called Brunel, who was ahead of his time.

    "Brunel proved that he was right and we want to show people we are taking forward Brunel's legacy today.

    "The whole point of the new GWR, we have dropped name First. Essentially, we are giving the railway back to people."

    But what of the future?

    When talking of possibilities, Mr Hopwood doesn't see it as impossible to return to a railway featuring halts, offering more localised journeys.

    "The traffic in Didcot, which you wouldn't think is bad, can see a journey taking 30 minutes that we could do in six or seven minutes," he says.

    "So, in the future, why not? But it would mean a lot of work, as main lines don't mix well with local lines." 

    However, talk of renationalising the railways has been rife in recent years, with the subject becoming a major talking point in the election of a new Labour leader, for example.

    But unsurprisingly, the possibility doesn't phase the man at the top, who shrugs with that ever-present calmness.

    "There was talk about it at the last election, talk about it at the election before that, but it never happened," he said.

    "At the end of the day, I guess the politicians will decide how they want to run the industry.

    "We believe we have put a lot in but we will have to deal with whatever the government of the day decides to do.

    "The railways were initially built by private companies, but there is no doubt we are providing a public service and the government controls the service very tightly.

    "There is a very strong public input into the railways, but we are delivering it through a private company.

    "If you go back to BR days, which some people tell us are better ... there has been an increase in trains."

    But back to August 7...

    What would Mr Hopwood's message be to those commuters stuck on the cold platforms enduring delays like those of that evening?

    "I think I would like to talk about the investment in the future," he said. 

    "We have been listening to what people have been saying and there is a lot of investment coming that will make your journey a better journey in the future.

    "It's not happening as quickly as we would like, but it is happening, and people will see the benefits of that fairly soon."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 17, 2015, 19:39:25
    So he's going to declare a void day and compensate those customers he cares so much about?

    Nah, didn't think so. Talk is cheap.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on August 17, 2015, 20:48:41
    In a marvellous feat of decision making someone (network rail I am told) took most of the stops out of the 18.57 Paddington to  Reading service to speed it up as it was delayed due to the signalling issues tonight.. Then someone else (the signallers I've been told) stuck it behind a stopping train to delay it even further.. You couldn't make it up! And we got to see both the 19.05 and 19.18 departures which are first stop Maidenhead sail past us quite early on in our journey  >:( ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 17, 2015, 21:09:14
    Oh dear. I was on that 18.57 service but jumped off to join the 19.05. I was convinced I would be stranded but looks like it was the right choice. My condolences.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on August 17, 2015, 21:59:30
    You definitely made the right choice.. A lot of other people jumped off too so it was a nice empty (but very slow) train.. We got back to Maidenhead about 20.12 I think but at least the 19.48 from Paddington had the decency to still be at Paddington and not be the third fast train to overtake us!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on August 27, 2015, 00:31:08
    It's quite a long thread but as both Network Rail and FGW seem to accept that its been particularly poor service has there been any mention of compensation? In particular for annual season ticket holders?

    Looking at the figures it seems I might get a 5% discount when I renew in November but this assumes I want to renew (I really don't but may not have a choice) and doesn't seem to represent the additional level of delays and disruptions we've had this year. If I do find another job without the same commute presumably I get nothing?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 27, 2015, 11:15:47
    Correct. Blame Her Majesty's Government.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 27, 2015, 15:08:15
    Yes i was caught by the non renewal discount scam in 2005 when I retired and stopped commuting.

    Up until then I had enjoyed several years of cheaper Annual Season tickets due to the 5% discount and low inflation rises. However despite the compensation being against the past years performance I got nothing for a year's poor punctuality.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 27, 2015, 18:42:32
    Problems this evening and for once it's nothing to do with network rail. 25mins to reach Ealing on a 'fast' turbo and still crawling after that. Apparently an on-board assault at Ealing has caused every train to have to crawl past at 5mph as a mark of respect. Naturally Ealing station platforms are empty/functioning as normal but the rest of us have to suffer.
    No news from driver who has probably fallen asleep.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 27, 2015, 20:27:36
    No comp for that one....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 28, 2015, 18:00:52
    Signal problems at Ealing this evening. Everything on the go-slow out of Paddington. #mustbeadaywithayinit


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SirBroccoli on September 01, 2015, 13:39:55
    August 7th has just been declared as a void day. It seems as if some parliamentary intervention may have led to the change of heart..

    Cheers,
    Alex


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 01, 2015, 13:49:38
    .... or just some parliamentary members claiming it was their intervention!   ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 01, 2015, 16:23:09
    August 7th has just been declared as a void day. It seems as if some parliamentary intervention may have led to the change of heart..

    Cheers,
    Alex

    Whatever the intervention (if indeed any was needed), it's the right decision.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 01, 2015, 17:46:17
    Stationary in the Hanwell area on my way out of London. The main line is closed due to problems with the execrable signalling system  and 30 minute delays are to be expected, according to twitter.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 01, 2015, 18:49:36
    No ventilation on the 18.18. Windows are running with condensation and tempers are getting elevated. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 01, 2015, 20:43:56
    Stationary in the Hanwell area on my way out of London. The main line is closed due to problems with the execrable signalling system  and 30 minute delays are to be expected, according to twitter.

    Points failure at Airport Junction the cause.  No detection in the normal position (ie. for the mainline) so all services are running on the down relief.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2015, 16:16:54
    Looks like this has been an "all dayer";

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5 fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 02/09.

    Customer Advice
    Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for First Great Western rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. London Buses are accepting First Great Western tickets on any reasonable route.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2015, 16:28:42
    ............and just now for your regular pleasure and delectation......I bring you your old favourite..........just in time for the rush hour.......... :'(

    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some London bound fast lines are closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 17:00 02/09.

    .............let's hope that estimate is accurate!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 02, 2015, 22:43:03
    Why won't fgw admit defeat and publicly denounce network fail for their Thames Valley car crash this year (and last).
    It doesn't function. Full stop. Even I as a despiser of fgw want fgw to make the blame 110% clear


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 03, 2015, 00:07:47
    I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
    It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 03, 2015, 07:31:45
    I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
    It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.

    I think the agreement is only in relation to public criticism. I hope that in private there is a very robust debate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 03, 2015, 08:07:01
    I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
    It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.

    ............and of course the customers not only pay for FGW through their tickets, but NR through their taxes......and so we also pay the compensation that Network Rail (NR) pay FGW (the details of which are top secret!), and for the few crumbs of compo which are cast from the table back at us with 5% reductions every month, what a great merry go round!

    "Very robust debate"? Well it doesn't seem to generate very robust actions or results.

    Edit; VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2015, 16:52:56
    Miserable journey home for some............

    Alterations to services between Bath Spa and Swindon
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bath Spa and Swindon all lines are closed.
    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 06/09.
    Further Information
    Road transport will operate between Bath Spa, Chippenham and Swindon as required.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on September 06, 2015, 17:20:09
    I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
    It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.

    I think though that the public should be made fully aware whose responsibility is what.  Only today with the overrun between Bath and Chippenham this afternoon,  I have noticed FGW received many complaints and even abuse directed at them for something that is not their responsibility.   Why should TOCs have to take the blame from passengers when it is something completely outside their control.  "Gentlemen's agreement" or not, we should have some fairness here so far as the public perceive the railway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 06, 2015, 17:37:16
    Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs, when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on September 06, 2015, 18:14:03
    Now signalling problems at Paddington affecting platforms 8-14.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on September 06, 2015, 18:31:13
    Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs, when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.

    Gives the passengers a poor impression of the TOC when things go wrong


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 06, 2015, 18:51:02
    Miserable journey home for some............

    Alterations to services between Bath Spa and Swindon
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bath Spa and Swindon all lines are closed.
    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 06/09.
    Further Information
    Road transport will operate between Bath Spa, Chippenham and Swindon as required.
    What a shame after completing the six weeks of work on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 07, 2015, 20:48:20
    I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
    It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.

    I think the agreement is only in relation to public criticism. I hope that in private there is a very robust debate.

    Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs, when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.

    NR always accepts the responsibility when its infrastructure fails and does not ask the TOCs to hide that fact; what it does expect is professionalism, that is state a delay, for example, is due to a signal failure etc. but not to make snide, over egged remarks or excessive articles in the media which was the case a few years ago 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 12, 2015, 12:29:44
    Indeed, NR pit their name to apology notices when their side goes seriously tits-up


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 19, 2015, 15:31:06
    Not looking good for this evenings rush hour. Signal failure between Paddington and Slough resulting in numerous cancellations or trains serving only part of the route.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on September 20, 2015, 16:32:52
    There was also a signal failure at Hanwell yesterday morning.. I got the 12.17 from Maidenhead to Paddington which left half an hour or more late.. By the time we left Slough we were full up so the remaining stops were interesting to say the least. We left lots of people behind.

    I was on the 19.57 home. There appeared to be some good planning that had gone on. The 19.42 was advertised first.. Once the hordes had sprinted off (most of them literally) to platform 13 the 19.57 was announced and left Paddington virtually empty (I was with my children and we had a carriage to ourselves). The 19.42 had already gone but we were allowed to pass it. The 19.57 was advertised as first stop Hayes and Harlington but was also (it appears) scheduled to pick up only at Ealing Broadway. This meant the people there had more than enough room (just) to get on the train and that the 19.42 which was already full didn't leave people at Ealing Broadway behind..

    Hopefully the issues are all sorted out now before tomorrow's commute.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 21, 2015, 08:16:55
    Train failure outside Paddington. I've already lost 22 minutes since leaving Reading on a direct service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on September 21, 2015, 11:21:07
    And the 07:38 from Goring was 17 minutes late due to waiting for a freight train at Didcot Parkway, according to the driver announcement. Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 21, 2015, 11:28:36
    Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D

    Many a true word spoke in jest.  Next pinch point Didcot, then Royal Wootton Bassett ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 21, 2015, 12:50:12
    And the 07:38 from Goring was 17 minutes late due to waiting for a freight train at Didcot Parkway, according to the driver announcement. Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D

    It appears there was a problem with the freight loco between Oxford and Didcot so a Didcot flyover wouldn't have helped. Though 4 tracking the section might  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on September 21, 2015, 15:35:05
    And the 07:38 from Goring was 17 minutes late due to waiting for a freight train at Didcot Parkway, according to the driver announcement. Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D

    It appears there was a problem with the freight loco between Oxford and Didcot so a Didcot flyover wouldn't have helped. Though 4 tracking the section might  ;)

    I'd prefer banning freight at peak times, but maybe that's just me  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on September 21, 2015, 23:59:25
    I remember hearing a Junior Transport Minister saying, at the time of privatisation, that if a freight company was prepared to pay for a path from Willesden to Tillbury, which involves crossing all 4 of the GE lines around Stratford, during the rush hour then that was OK. This was to be the new competitive railway 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 22, 2015, 08:43:08
    I remember hearing a Junior Transport Minister saying, at the time of privatisation, that if a freight company was prepared to pay for a path from Willesden to Tillbury, which involves crossing all 4 of the GE lines around Stratford, during the rush hour then that was OK. This was to be the new competitive railway 

    Side question (I may split into a separate thread) ... how are "runs as required" freight paths priced / charged?   I probably need to ask in general to avoid getting a "commercial in confidence" answer, but looking at a Monday to Friday "Q" path which in practise runs less than 10 times a year ... is it paid for 10 times, or 250 times?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 22, 2015, 10:26:09
    And the 07:38 from Goring was 17 minutes late due to waiting for a freight train at Didcot Parkway, according to the driver announcement. Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D

    It appears there was a problem with the freight loco between Oxford and Didcot so a Didcot flyover wouldn't have helped. Though 4 tracking the section might  ;)

    I'd prefer banning freight at peak times, but maybe that's just me  :D

    Didn't the Southern Railway have a policy of running freight at night?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on September 22, 2015, 16:09:16
    In the mid 60 s the Central Division used to work their 33s hard.
    Newspapers to Brighton early morning
    Pass to Victoria or London Bridge via Uckfield.
    ECS to New Cross Gate or Stewarts Lane
    Light Norwood Yard
    Freight to Willsden or OOC via West London Line or Ferme Park via Widenened lines.
    Return freight to Norwood
    Light to New Cross Gate or Stewarts Lane
    ECS Victoria or London Bridge
    Pass Brighton via Uckfiled
    Vans to London and start cycle again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 22, 2015, 22:38:55
    I'd prefer banning freight at peak times, but maybe that's just me  :D

    If you read the Route Studies, there are a lot of statements implying that a few freight paths present in the off-peak timetable are displaced by extra passenger services in the peak. That sounds like common sense, but I can't see anything in the Western RS, or elsewhere, that states this is what happens, and how it is managed. For example, for each path per hour off-peak, how many are available per day? How much of a freight path is over a part of the line that has a peak?

    There are also several lines where extra loops are proposed as a way of coping with a mix of traffic including relatively slow freight trains. And, however much freight paths are reduced in the peaks now, one thing is clear from the study - there will need to be more of it in the future.

    To see the other side of this - and everything has another side - see DB Schenker's consulation submission after the draft WRS (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/consultation%20documents/western%20route%20study%20consultation%20responses/working%20group%20and%20board/db%20schenker.pdf). Its tone is rather plaintive - "why is everyone ignoring us" - but it does explain the limits of some of these measures. Like most of the "working group and board" submissions, it appears to restate their inputs to the study that were not taken into account in the draft. I can't see that they are in the final version either.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 26, 2015, 23:19:19

    It appears there was a problem with the freight loco between Oxford and Didcot so a Didcot flyover wouldn't have helped. Though 4 tracking the section might  ;)

    Mission creep, maybe, but I'm up for that...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 27, 2015, 08:58:42
    And the 07:38 from Goring was 17 minutes late due to waiting for a freight train at Didcot Parkway, according to the driver announcement. Time for a Didcot Viaduct ?  ;D

    It appears there was a problem with the freight loco between Oxford and Didcot so a Didcot flyover wouldn't have helped. Though 4 tracking the section might  ;)

    I'd prefer banning freight at peak times, but maybe that's just me  :D

    The railways were built as freight movers ............... people moving was and after thought.

    There is space for both, the UK railways have managed for almost two centauries mixing freight and passenger trains on a congested network


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 09, 2015, 17:22:31
    Seemed to be a fair few cancellations/alterations on LTV this morning due to "trains late from the depot"/staff shortages - heard it was a lack of shunters, anyone know the full story?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 12, 2015, 17:35:45
    No, I don't know the full story, but it may have been the result of their celebration of the first birthday of this particular topic.  ::) ;) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on October 12, 2015, 20:01:24
    No, I don't know the full story, but it may have been the result of their celebration of the first birthday of this particular topic.  ::) ;) ;D

    Did somebody say "Drink!"???


    Four Pints, Now!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 13, 2015, 08:10:04
    It doesn't look like anything is running between Westbury and Reading until midday due to overrunning engineering works.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 13, 2015, 08:14:03
    It doesn't look like anything is running between Westbury and Reading until midday due to overrunning engineering works.
    Thank goodness for the Transwilts with WoE UP services being diverted via Swindon. No comfort for those travelling from stations between Pewsey-Reading though.

    Anyone know what the cause of the overrun is?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 13, 2015, 08:36:15
    Glad I'm not taking a service from THA this morning, feeling sorry for those that are (or were!). Planning to tomorrow so hope there is not a recurrence.

    I see a few additional services now scheduled between Reading and Theale, so presumably the problem is further west?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 13, 2015, 08:42:38
    From NationalRail 13/10/2015 08:10
    Trains are currently unable to run from Pewsey towards Reading
    A limited bus service is running between Pewsey and Reading
    Some trains between Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddington will be diverted, not calling at stations between Westbury and Reading
    A shuttle service is running between Theale and Reading


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 13, 2015, 09:05:38
    How many GWR trains are scheduled between Temple Meads & Reading via the Berks & Hants???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 13, 2015, 09:08:51
    In probably related news most services from Maidenhead were delayed by c15min this morning.  No acknowledgement of this on journeycheck or from GWR staff, but everything was late/disrupted.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 13, 2015, 09:18:29
    How many GWR trains are scheduled between Temple Meads & Reading via the Berks & Hants???

    One daily in passenger service in each direction.  At least one other ECS from Bristol / enters service on the way (Frome).  And I think there may be a Taunton starter that runs ECS from Bristol too?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 13, 2015, 09:30:50
    In probably related news most services from Maidenhead were delayed by c15min this morning.  No acknowledgement of this on journeycheck or from GWR staff, but everything was late/disrupted.

    High Speed Train's (HST)s through RDG towards PAD were generally a bit slack around 0730 when I passed through. Twitter mentioned knock on effects from delays earlier in the rush hour at both Twyford and around Southall. I had a very slow time towards and through Heathrow Junction.

    NationalRail have now pushed the Pewsey disruption ETA to 14:00

    Edit:VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 13, 2015, 09:50:51
    Reading-Basingstoke line blocked by a broken down train too, looks like everything cancelled for the foreseeable, Barnstaple/Exeter for the same reason. Not a great morning for the Great Western!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 13, 2015, 09:52:26
    NationalRail have now pushed the Pewsey disruption ETA to 14:00
    Gosh whatevers gone wrong has gone wrong in quite a bad way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 13, 2015, 10:17:10
    Reading West MP Alok Sharma has just tweeted that he was told by GWR that the Newbury line problem is due to a 'track out of alignment'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 13, 2015, 10:40:27
    Reading between the lines (no pun intended) a piece of track maintenance equipment managed to move track too close to a structure, so I believe the track has to be replaced on its original alignment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 13, 2015, 10:45:41
    So its not really an over-run....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 13, 2015, 11:39:13
    I see there are possessions planned for the next 3 nights on the B&H so is that plan now going to change? If not, let's hope they are better organised for those upcoming nights.

    Update: Shuttle now also running between Newbury and Bedwyn, buses between Newbury and Theale.

    Anyone know if this is electrification related?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 13, 2015, 12:20:08
    So its not really an over-run....

    Depends how you classify an over-run I suppose.  As in the track slew wasn't part of the work planned for the possession, but the equipment wouldn't have been working there had it not been for the possession.

    Anyone know if this is electrification related?

    Don't think so.  It was a 'stoneblower' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneblower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneblower)) working by Bulls Lock between Newbury Racecourse and Thatcham.

    Does sound like a bit of a cock up all round.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 13, 2015, 12:43:31
    Looks like things are returning to normal..........wonder how much compo GWR will get from NR for this one........and how much is paid out to customers!

    Following earlier engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Pewsey the Reading bound line is now open.

    Impact
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 13/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 13, 2015, 12:55:16
    Quote
    working by Bulls Lock between Newbury Racecourse and Thatcham

    Interesting and useful info from II, thanks. A few trains I've taken recently have proceeded slowly through that area, so I'm thinking there was a TSR in place pending the work that is now (or not!) happening?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 13, 2015, 13:41:29
    I see there are possessions planned for the next 3 nights on the B&H so is that plan now going to change? If not, let's hope they are better organised for those upcoming nights.

    Update: Shuttle now also running between Newbury and Bedwyn, buses between Newbury and Theale.

    Anyone know if this is electrification related?

    I was one of the sad people looking hopefully at the destination board at THA this morning. Thankfully one of my scouting friends (who also needed to get to London) offered me a lift to Reading which meant I was almost on time.

    The CIS board just outside the station had wall to wall cancellations and many pax (including me!) got photos to show their employees that they weren't making up the delays

    Notable the ticket office wasn't open at 6am this morning which probably means (a) the normal (very helpful) GWR person that runs this office thought "there is no point in going in today" or (b) the person supposed to be manning the office today was supposed to be coming to work by train. My money is on B :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 13, 2015, 15:26:56
    Thank goodness for the Transwilts with WoE UP services being diverted via Swindon. ...

    Even if one did a SPAD and lead to the cancellation of a TransWilts round trip.  We must remember the line only survived the Dr B era because of (limited) diversion and freight use.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 20, 2015, 05:58:13
    Good start to the day  >:(


    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough 




    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines will be blocked.



    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 07:00 20/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 20, 2015, 06:11:13
    Also affecting the Henley and Marlow branches.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 20, 2015, 08:36:52
    I think the branches got hit harder in the end - a few of the "red eye" Reading- Paddington services seemed to have been cancelled but there was road replacement in place......I went to Taplow station more in hope than expectation (0657 was listed as cancelled on National Rail as was the 0654 heading West) but both came in on time so they must have got the line back just in time for the rush hour.

    Bit cosier than usual from West Drayton onwards.

    Crossrail related overrun?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 20, 2015, 08:58:23
    And further up the line...

    Delays to services between Moreton-In-Marsh and Ascott-Under-Wychwood

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Moreton-in-Marsh and Ascott-under-Wychwood trains have to run at reduced speed on the Oxford bound line.

    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 mins. Disruption is expected until 09:30 20/10.


    Some services were delayed by much more - 0528 Hereford - Paddington 15 minutes, 0709 Moreton-in-Marsh - Paddington 20 minutes, 0653 Worcester Foregate Street - Oxford by over 30 minutes


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 21, 2015, 14:16:52
    And today...

    Delays to services at Oxford

    Following a fault with the signalling system at Oxford all lines have now reopened.

    Impact
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 mins. Disruption is expected until 15:00 21/10.


    and

    Delays to services between Slough and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington the London bound main line is closed.

    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 15:00 21/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 21, 2015, 14:56:30
    ............as if that wasn't enough.............

    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington the Reading bound relief line is blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/10.



    ..................this rebranding really is making a difference isn't it!  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on October 21, 2015, 15:05:15
    Now it gets worse:

    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington the Reading bound relief line is blocked.Impact:Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/10.
     :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 21, 2015, 15:11:47
    Now it gets worse:

    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington the Reading bound relief line is blocked.Impact:Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/10.
     :(



    Sorted - see what a difference that green paint makes!  :D

    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington

    Following a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington the Reading bound relief line has now reopened.

    Impact
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 15 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 21, 2015, 16:06:54
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington the London bound main line is closed.

    This has now been pushed out to 17:00

    Customer Advice:First Bus route 58: Slough (Bus Station Bay 2) - Langley (Business Park) - Iver (King's Church) - Uxbridge (Station) and First Bus route 75: Maidenhead (Town Centre) - Taplow (Bath Road) - Burnham (Everitts Corner) - Slough (Bus Station) - Langley are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 21, 2015, 18:49:46
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington the London bound main line is closed.

    This has now been pushed out to 17:00

    Customer Advice:First Bus route 58: Slough (Bus Station Bay 2) - Langley (Business Park) - Iver (King's Church) - Uxbridge (Station) and First Bus route 75: Maidenhead (Town Centre) - Taplow (Bath Road) - Burnham (Everitts Corner) - Slough (Bus Station) - Langley are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

    Yup - and I got caught up in this trying to get back from Aylesbury to Thatcham to go to my Sons' parents evening (where they picked up on his punctuation:) ) I was due to arrive  in Thatcham about 4:04 but this got pushed out to 445 + my 38 minute walk home + 4 minutes to walk to school from home...just did it!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on October 21, 2015, 22:33:02
    I got a bit caught up in this disruption today aswell.

    Rushed back to PAD this afternoon to get the 1618 Bedwyn, which was cancelled, I assume due to the problems documented above.
    Jumped on the 1622 OXF High Speed Train (HST) (to get me as far as RDG) which was somewhat rammed as a result!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 21, 2015, 22:38:42
    I got a bit caught up in this disruption today aswell.

    Rushed back to PAD this afternoon to get the 1618 Bedwyn, which was cancelled, I assume due to the problems documented above.
    Jumped on the 1622 OXF HST (to get me as far as RDG) which was somewhat rammed as a result!



    16:40 Padd to Maidenhead all 6 cars of it loads of space, and only a few mins late at Maidenhead; but then is has so much slack built in its timings it would be difficult to be late arrival


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 22, 2015, 07:06:54
    I got a bit caught up in this disruption today aswell.

    Rushed back to PAD this afternoon to get the 1618 Bedwyn, which was cancelled, I assume due to the problems documented above.
    Jumped on the 1622 OXF HST (to get me as far as RDG) which was somewhat rammed as a result!


    That was my "itinerary" but with the addition of musical escalators at Reading. I had made my way to P1 to catch the 1612 only to hear the announcement "the Bedwyn service is currently waiting outside the station" at which point I made my way up to the overbridge expecting the Bedwyn train to be a limited stop ...which it was...back to P1 then!

    Probably not a good day to leave my time travelling delorean at home :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on October 22, 2015, 12:43:17
    ... I got caught up in this trying to get back from Aylesbury to Thatcham ...
    So there's at least one customer for East-West Rail when it opens. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 22, 2015, 15:06:13
    Doubt it'll help much....

    THA-RDG-DID-OXF-Wendover (reverse)-AYS

    Quicker via London, I reckon, depending on frequency & whether EWR gets extended to RDG


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 22, 2015, 15:10:50
    Doubt it'll help much....

    THA-RDG-DID-OXF-Wendover (reverse)-AYS

    Quicker via London, I reckon, depending on frequency & whether EWR gets extended to RDG

    Given my experiences on the railways this week sadly driving would seem to be the quickest (and least stressful) option.

    A34 permitting of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 22, 2015, 15:41:13
    THA-RDG-DID-OXF-Wendover (reverse)-AYS

    Winslow rather than Wendover?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 23, 2015, 09:37:45
    yep!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 23, 2015, 09:38:55
    Article in the Maidenhead Advertiser today about TV delays.

    http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/What-else-can-you-do-in-the-40637-minutes-lost-through-delays-caused-by-Network-Rail-signal-failures-between-London-and-Reading-in-2015-22102015.htm



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 23, 2015, 09:50:38
    Article in the Maidenhead Advertiser today about TV delays.

    http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/News/Areas/Maidenhead/What-else-can-you-do-in-the-40637-minutes-lost-through-delays-caused-by-Network-Rail-signal-failures-between-London-and-Reading-in-2015-22102015.htm



    Thanks for posting. My initial reaction was "WOW" to 40637 minutes being lost but - IMHO - this is a Daily Mail style headline.

    However even if you convert it to hours (677 that is still a considerable amount of time - about 13 hours per week by my reckoning (over 2 hours per working day on average)

    Still, this will get better...seriously, they WILL get better!






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 23, 2015, 10:20:37
    I assume (and it just that, an assumption) that 'delays' doesn't include cancellations so these numbers are just for 'arrived later than 5mins at destination' and 'we didn't even try' is counted elsewhere(??)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 23, 2015, 10:21:46
    10mins for long distance, I believe


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxman on October 23, 2015, 10:54:08
    If this headline figure (40637 mins) is the standard NR measurement of delays caused by infrastructure faults in the Thames Valley (and I can't think it will be anything else), then every delay to every train of more than two minutes will have been counted. Every train means all TOCs and FOCs, so freight train delays as well. It will also include knock on delays outside of the Thames Valley. So a late train from the Thames Valley might delay a freight service in Wales which then delays a passenger service in the Midlands etc. All of those delays will be attributed to the root cause - the infrastructure fault, and will added up to give the headline figure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2015, 18:00:19
    Whichever way you try to spin it, it's appalling, as those of us who have to put up with it on a daily basis will testify.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 23, 2015, 21:06:45
    It's also worse than 2014, which was pretty bad and recognised as such by all parties.

    "It's getting better" is a lie. My motto of recent years, and not just about fgw, is 'just because you say it twice doesn't make it true' and this, as with many things these days, is a perfect example.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 23, 2015, 21:43:23
    It certainly seems to be getting worse and not better.
    And some reports suggest that it is the new parts of the signalling causing significant problems, so will it carry on getting worse as more is renewed ?

    And with the electrification works so badly behind schedule, we presumably have many more years of electrification related delays to look forward to.

    And of course once the electrification is done, we can add weather related overhead line problems to the traditional signal failures and track defects.

    I am glad that I am less reliant on trains than in the past.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 23, 2015, 22:06:08
    I am glad I'm not in the past when there was a less frequent service, unwelcoming stations, poor customer service, no compensation, crap rolling stock, a worse safety record, managed decline...

    I try to avoid wearing these:
    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/803497e82b68e12d8323934dd229ee4c_zps5buidxs2.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on October 23, 2015, 22:48:51
    I am glad I'm not in the past when there was a less frequent service, unwelcoming stations, poor customer service, no compensation, crap rolling stock, a worse safety record, managed decline...

    I seem to recall being told that when Swindon panel was installed in the 1960's the service for Swindon was one train every two hours.  Is this correct?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxman on October 23, 2015, 23:34:01
    Whichever way you try to spin it, it's appalling, as those of us who have to put up with it on a daily basis will testify.

    I do not do spin. I attempted to explain where this number may have come from. Its a perfect example of uninformed journalism which, on this forum, we are pretty good at recognising. Your experiences may indeed be appalling, but fuelling a debate with accusations of spin will not help.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 24, 2015, 04:55:26
    I am glad I'm not in the past when there was a less frequent service, unwelcoming stations, poor customer service, no compensation, crap rolling stock, a worse safety record, managed decline...

    I try to avoid wearing these:
    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/803497e82b68e12d8323934dd229ee4c_zps5buidxs2.jpg)


    Interesting article on how things were in the early days - Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3287109/Hell-wheels-Think-commute-nightmare-s-luxury-compared-Britain-s-train-journeys-passengers-froze-death-got-set-alight-cinders-loos-don-t-ask.html)

    Quote
    From risking hypothermia in open-top carriages to sparks setting clothes on fire, not to mention steam engines blowing up and overworked drivers falling asleep on the job, being a passenger on the Victorian railways was a very risky business, as writer SIMON BRADLEY reveals in a fascinating new book ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 24, 2015, 07:35:17
    I spent 3 days travelling from Thatcham to Aylesbury by rail this week (thanks again for the ticket advice guys) and got caught up in delays on a couple of days.

    The first one - Tuesday I think - was because the service  from Aylesbury left a few minutes late due to an issue with the incoming service. Now a "few minutes later" on it's own isn't a problem to me but the knock on effect was that the service then got stuck behind a LUL service ( I believe) further down the track. This turned into a 20 minute delay which meant I missed my service out of Paddington

    The second day was the one that we discussed a bit earlier in this thread where there were more signalling problems etc

    I suspect those of use who frequent this forum have our opinions on whether other contributors are glass "half full" or "half empty" people but I do take my hat off to those who commute on a daily basis week in week out but  I guess the answer is simple in a lot of cases...you may not have any choice..




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on October 24, 2015, 07:45:22
    I would also ask whether those who commute long distances by car have it any better?  I suspect not. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 24, 2015, 07:55:23
    I would also ask whether those who commute long distances by car have it any better?  I suspect not. 

    I totally agree. There are a couple of things which favour rail travel even during these trying times.

    1) The logical route from Thatcham to Aylesbury is via the A34 which is notorious for delays. It only takes one incident to cause major problems - this is made worse several times over if the incident is on one of the up-hill stretches of the road as it takes a long time for the lorries to get speed back up

    2) Although an alternative route is via the M4/A404M this means enduring the daily delays on the M4 which (from memory) starts queueing about 630 am in the morning

    3) It's less risky falling asleep on the train

    4) I can listen to my music or watch video on the train without causing a risk to others or myself

    5) It's company policy to use public transport wherever possible

    So despite the delays normally it's the choo choo for me!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 24, 2015, 09:36:38
    I am glad I'm not in the past when there was a less frequent service, unwelcoming stations, poor customer service, no compensation, crap rolling stock, a worse safety record, managed decline...

    I try to avoid wearing these:
    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/803497e82b68e12d8323934dd229ee4c_zps5buidxs2.jpg)


    That's rather like saying the patient's condition is unchanged but they are now in a shinier hospital.

    As for customer service, how many rail companies made the latest Customer Service Index top 100 companies list? (clue: none of them) - as for compensation, it's derisory for season ticket holders and generally only payable after an hour's delay for other tickets, far too long. There are still huge issues around lack of management of major delays/events and giving accurate information when they take place, and the latest delay/massive projected overspend on electrification speaks volumes........and for all this, customers pay the highest fares in Europe alongside massive subsidies from the taxpayer. I've been using NSE/TT/FGW/GWR for over 20 years and any improvements are marginal - no rose tinted spectacles here, can't comment on the age of steam I'm afraid.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 24, 2015, 11:58:15
    I seem to recall being told that when Swindon panel was installed in the 1960's the service for Swindon was one train every two hours.  Is this correct?

    There's many a methodology you could use, but using Swindon to London as an example, in 1965 the off-peak service at Swindon was generally an hourly service between Bristol and London, an hourly service (with the odd two hour gap) between South Wales and London and a Gloucester to London train roughly every four hours.  So, an average of about 2 per hour.  Taking 1986 (the golden era to some!) as an example it was still about 2 per hour - no two hour gaps in the South Wales trains but fewer direct trains to Gloucester (just three each day!).  Today it's roughly an average of 4.5 per hour and the planned frequency come the IEP timetable will actually reduce that to 4 per hour as more trains are planned not to call.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 26, 2015, 06:00:03
    Back on topic, and welcome to the new week! (ongoing since last night)


    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough 


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough fewer trains are able to run on the London bound relief line.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Some stations between Reading and Slough will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 26/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on October 26, 2015, 07:34:57
    More specifically @GWRHelp on Twitter advises:

    Quote
    Due to signalling problems services to London Paddington will not call at Taplow or Burnham. Customers are advised to travel via Maidenhead


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 26, 2015, 08:07:21
    Shouldn't that be via Slough?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 26, 2015, 09:03:32
    Bobm Maidenhead is correct for Padd bound Passengers. If the up Relief  is out between Maidenhead and Slough trains can't stop at Burnham no platforms on the Main Lines, they could stop at Taplow on the Up Main but the step up to the train is deemed too high and the platforms 1 & 2 are now locked off. So you go back to Maideheaed on the Down Relief from both stations. Passengers for Burnham and Taplow from Maidenhead and all stations West go via Slough.

    If it's the down Relief it's the other way round. Passengers for Maidenehad go to Slough and passngers from Slough and East go via Maidenehad.

    If both Reliefs are out "Hard Luck"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 26, 2015, 09:07:29
    I was thinking for passengers already on a train wanting the two stations, they'd have to circulate via Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 26, 2015, 09:43:47
    Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective!) on this occasion everyone at Taplow wanting to head up to London was told to go to Maidenhead around 0645 as there was nothing stopping at Taplow.........we waited on the platform at Maidenhead for the train.....which then stopped at.......Taplow!

    I tweeted GWR/Ollie who I know was arranging for the message to be changed.

    ........always an interesting experience on the platform at Maidenhead with its regulars "Tube style" formation based on where they reckon the train doors will be!!! (.....but they often forget the bit about "letting customers off the train first")  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 26, 2015, 19:03:51
    Why would anyone get off at Maidenhead?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 27, 2015, 08:35:44
    Why would anyone get off at Maidenhead?  ;D

    There's very little to recommend it to be honest, although it does have the oldest continually used football stadium in the World (Maidenhead Utd, York Road) if that's your sort of thing, and a smattering of half decent pubs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on October 27, 2015, 11:17:26
    Why would anyone get off at Maidenhead?  ;D

    Why, to have my lunch at the Waterside of course..... :D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 27, 2015, 13:38:02
    Why would anyone get off at Maidenhead?  ;D

    Why, to have my lunch at the Waterside of course..... :D ;D

    I wish I could afford lunch there! (or the Fat Duck/Hinds Head down the road!)  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 31, 2015, 10:48:10
    The Maidenhead Advertiser of 29th has a couple 3 railway related pieces.

    The one relevant to this thread is 28 days lost to rail signal failures.

    Main point that were 40,637 minutes of delays between Padd and Reading, from Jan to Aug. Caused by 221 failures. 184 mins av!

    This compares  with 2014 with 46,164 mins from 292 failures. Av 158 mins.

    They then go to say what you could have done with the time. One that struck me was  fly to New York 58 times.

    I'll post the othes under Electrification of TV Branches and Crossrail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on November 02, 2015, 17:46:54
    There are delays out of Paddington again tonight. The Reading bound relief line was closed earlier due to signalling issues (again). It looks like it's all open again now but I expect it'll take a while for the service to get back to normal again


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 02, 2015, 18:29:22
    Yep, I got the 1715 from Paddington which crawled along snail like to Burnham, still here waiting for a connection to Taplow....best part of an hour, not a single announcement or apology from the driver. I'm assuming he's one of those still waiting to be painted green.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 02, 2015, 18:58:24
    not a single announcement or apology from the driver.

    The only excuse for a driver not to apologise (and give a reason if he/she knows) is because the train is running under cautionary signals (i.e. single yellow or double yellow), or braking for a station.  That can sometimes happen when trains are moving but it's very congested. However, in the case of your train this evening it looks from the running schedules that it was 'on greens' all the way from Ealing where it was 16 minutes late, before terminating at Maidenhead 13 minutes late, so there was no excuse for not making an announcement.

    A points failure at Acton West is being listed as the reason.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 02, 2015, 20:30:40
    I'm just catching up on Chris Tarrant's train ride through Cuba, which puts this all into a certain perspective. ("What time is the next train?" "Tuesday. Maybe.")


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 02, 2015, 20:47:15
    I'm just catching up on Chris Tarrant's train ride through Cuba, which puts this all into a certain perspective. ("What time is the next train?" "Tuesday. Maybe.")

    ...........I didn't know First Group ran Castro's trains?

    .......at least I could have a nice cigar whilst I waited!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 02, 2015, 20:52:33

    .......at least I could have a nice cigar whilst I waited!

    An avenue of pleasure long closed to me. I have smoked nothing except salmon, not even tobacco, since Sunday 12 May 1991.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2015, 06:35:46
    .....another day.....


    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading 

    Due to a problem currently under investigation between Slough and Reading the Reading bound slow line is blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 03/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 03, 2015, 06:54:39
    .....another day.....


    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading 

    Due to a problem currently under investigation between Slough and Reading the Reading bound slow line is blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 03/11.

    Freight train SPAD in the Maidenhead area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2015, 07:10:38
    .....another day.....


    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading 

    Due to a problem currently under investigation between Slough and Reading the Reading bound slow line is blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 03/11.

    Freight train SPAD in the Maidenhead area.
      GWR twitter saying "broken down freight train", NR saying "problem under investigation"..........my money's on BNM's theory!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2015, 10:01:16
    Yes, BMN is right.  Although it was at Ruscombe, so nearer Twyford than Maidenhead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2015, 13:26:21
    Yes, BMN is right.  Although it was at Ruscombe, so nearer Twyford than Maidenhead.

    Smacked bottom for someone then?

    Would the freight company get clobbered for the delay minutes or would NR have to go after them for it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 03, 2015, 13:32:55
    Amended to 'Operational Incident' after 0900.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 03, 2015, 13:35:53
    Would the freight company get clobbered for the delay minutes or would NR have to go after them for it?

    All depends who is to blame. A SPAD needn't necessarily be the train operator's fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2015, 14:59:04
    Passed by signal by approximately 60 metres so well within the safety overlap, but as it is a signal that protects a junction it would have been treated quite seriously.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 03, 2015, 16:30:34
    In my experience, at this time of year Turbos often seem to struggle to accelerate away from TWY on the Up Relief so maybe poor railhead conditions played a part?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2015, 18:25:41
    Yes, it could have done - although it was a pretty calm morning.  As usual when a SPAD occurs, a full investigation will take place including analysis of the engine's data recorder, and the driver tested for drugs/alcohol.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 03, 2015, 19:51:10
    Yes, it could have done - although it was a pretty calm morning.  As usual when a SPAD occurs, a full investigation will take place including analysis of the engine's data recorder, and the driver tested for drugs/alcohol.

    .......and the signalling equipment data logger.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2015, 21:21:37
    Yes, it could have done - although it was a pretty calm morning.  As usual when a SPAD occurs, a full investigation will take place including analysis of the engine's data recorder, and the driver tested for drugs/alcohol.

    .......and the signalling equipment data logger.
    What's the most common cause/reason for a SPAD?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 03, 2015, 21:43:52
    Yes, it could have done - although it was a pretty calm morning.  As usual when a SPAD occurs, a full investigation will take place including analysis of the engine's data recorder, and the driver tested for drugs/alcohol.

    .......and the signalling equipment data logger.
    What's the most common cause/reason for a SPAD?

    You can find out here http://orr.gov.uk/statistics/published-stats/statistical-releases and here http://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/displayreport/report/html/f94ef551-6bf5-4ae1-af4b-6b648212b0af


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2015, 21:54:52
    What's the most common cause/reason for a SPAD?
    To add to the links from SandTEngineer:

    I would guess the most common would be signal failures or the signaller deliberately placing the signal to danger, which are (or used to be) known as Category 'B' or 'C' SPAD's as the train could be running under green signals and if one suddenly goes back to red then the driver has no chance to react.  Once it is confirmed that the signals are working and the driver is fit to continue (it can be a bit of a shock depending on location) then there is usually no major disruption caused.

    Category 'A' SPAD's are the most serious and their causes are widespread, ranging from faults with the train brakes, wheelslip (obviously bad this time of the year), and a whole range of human factors such as not controlling the speed of the train, misreading the signal, failure to acknowledge the cautionary aspects before, starting off from a platform where the signal is red, miscommunication with the signaller, driver micro-sleep...  I could go on.  From memory I think they get put into four different categories - Misread, Read Across (i.e. thinking the green signal on the next line is yours), Read Through (thinking the signal ahead is yours) or Disregard.  Though there's a whole range of reasons why one of those four might occur, so, after waffling for a bit I guess I can't really answer your question! 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 03, 2015, 22:10:36
    II has given the current definitions. Below are some examples.

    Some of the most serious crashes, Harrow, Lewisham, Cowden Ladbroke Grove the driver seems to have missed the signal altogether.

    Faulty AWS was part of Southall but the driver missed the double yellow and single yellows.

    The recent Wotton Basett incident the driver seems to have disabled the AWS.

    Confusion of aspects Berhampstead before the war where it wasn't clear to the driver that he was being routed over a crossover and went too fast and derailed.

    Colwich confusion over the flashing yellows which applied to the fast to slow crosover signal and not the actual junction signal. Driver thought they applied to the junction signal so expected signal to clear and went too fast to stop when he realised it wasn't going to change.

    Read through is interesting I've read there was problem at Rushcombe on  I think the Up Relief with drivers reading through thinking the red they could see in the distance was where they had to stop and missing the signal in between. I believe it was cured by changing the angle of sight of the far signal so it wasn't so visable from before the previous signal.

    I find the whole philosophy of signalling fasinating. Where do you sight the signal at the exact braking distance but where it might be obscured by a curve, bridge etc. so lessening sighting time or say in front of a bridge and reduce braking distance. Is it acceptable for trains to run under a succesion of double yellows. It was said that in steam days during the rush hour trains on the Up Main from Hampton Court Junction to Waterloo didn't see a green until the platform signal at Waterloo. They ran steadily on single yellows changing to double.

    If a signal has a short sighting time do you have a banner repeater? What aspects do you show. With LEDs you now have the green banner if the signal is showing green. Previously depending on the aspect of the previous signal you had to assumme that if the banner was off the next signal imight be showing a double or single yellow so you couldn't accelerate until you saw the main aspect.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2015, 22:35:31
    I find the whole philosophy of signalling fasinating. Where do you sight the signal at the exact braking distance but where it might be obscured by a curve, bridge etc. so lessening sighting time or say in front of a bridge and reduce braking distance.

    The layman would not believe the amount of work that goes into sighting a signal to try and give the driver the best view of it.  In days gone by they were often just placed at convenient locations but now there's a whole host of factors that are considered.  Three state banner repeaters are a recent innovation and help to get round some of the problems at awkward locations.

    Reading through a signal most commonly happens at night where the perception of depth is generally far less, especially when there's very little other light pollution except for the signals.

    There is no doubt in my mind that a large part of the fact we've had no passenger train fatalities in nine years is thanks to TPWS which has stopped several SPAD's from happening and greatly reduced the severity of others.  The Wootton Bassett SPAD is a great example of what could potentially happen without TPWS, in that case because it had been deliberately disabled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 03, 2015, 22:45:14
    There is now a train-cab driver's-view simulator using CGI that can check sightings off-plan - i.e. based on the engineering design, which itself all computer data. I know it was used for Reading (RSAR), though whether it was then or is still experimental I am not sure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 04, 2015, 07:25:51
    Signals at Hayes and Harlington are bust this morning. They have apparently been fixed but are causing congestion and delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 04, 2015, 10:04:11
    There is now a train-cab driver's-view simulator using CGI that can check sightings off-plan - i.e. based on the engineering design, which itself all computer data. I know it was used for Reading (RSAR), though whether it was then or is still experimental I am not sure.

    The main reason for wanting this "Desktop Signal Sighting" or "Virtual Sighting" was electrification. That forest of masts and stanchions needs to be checked, every one of them, at the design stage; hence the use of CAE (computer-aided engineering).

    Giaconda have some pictures here (http://www.gioconda.co.uk/signal_sighting/desktop-signal-sighting-hd-vr/) - I'm not sure if their system is the only one, created in effect for NR, or if there are others. As you can see, it mixes real video with CGI, and can also be used for driver briefing, training, and canvassing feedback. There are other examples on their site, including videos (but without their own URLs to link to).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2015, 10:07:00
    Thanks for all the responses to my "SPAD" question, very interesting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 04, 2015, 10:49:35
    Back in the early 2000s we used professional route cab videos as the aid to desk top design for the initial signal siting.  The initial Signal Siting Form (SSF) would be produced on this basis and the Signal Siting Committee (SSC) would then visit site to determine the actual required position against the theory.  This would be fed back to the signalling design office and amendments made to the scheme design if required.  After commissioning all signals are checked again by the SSC to confirm no other issues have arisen.

    The SSC consists of a qualified and experienced chairman and representatives from the signalling design office and the affected TOCs.  All have to sign the SSF to confirm acceptance.

    My personal opinion, based upon over 45 years experience, is that we have gone too far in trying to make signal sighting perfect.  Introducing new controls etc. really complicates the signalling interlocking and that introduces new risks into the signalling system.  As the saying goes 'Complexity is the Enemy of Safety'.

    Anyway back to the Thames Valley problems..............


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 04, 2015, 15:25:03
    I should have added that one of the problems with signal siting on the GWML between Paddington and Reading is that the signals on the Main Lines are spaced for 125mph running but those on the Relief Lines are spaced for 90mph or less running.  This means that the signals on the Main and Relief Lines are not always parallel or sometimes don't exist at all.  This can be dis-orientating for train drivers as the brain tends to always be looking for a signal opposite your own.  Its a well known risk and modern signalling schemes are prohibited from having such arrangements (sometimes at the cost of line speed and capacity).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 04, 2015, 18:30:08
    There is now a train-cab driver's-view simulator using CGI that can check sightings off-plan - i.e. based on the engineering design, which itself all computer data. I know it was used for Reading (RSAR), though whether it was then or is still experimental I am not sure.

    The main reason for wanting this "Desktop Signal Sighting" or "Virtual Sighting" was electrification. That forest of masts and stanchions needs to be checked, every one of them, at the design stage; hence the use of CAE (computer-aided engineering).

    Giaconda have some pictures here (http://www.gioconda.co.uk/signal_sighting/desktop-signal-sighting-hd-vr/) - I'm not sure if their system is the only one, created in effect for NR, or if there are others. As you can see, it mixes real video with CGI, and can also be used for driver briefing, training, and canvassing feedback. There are other examples on their site, including videos (but without their own URLs to link to).


    Back in the early 2000s we used professional route cab videos as the aid to desk top design for the initial signal siting.  The initial Signal Siting Form (SSF) would be produced on this basis and the Signal Siting Committee (SSC) would then visit site to determine the actual required position against the theory.  This would be fed back to the signalling design office and amendments made to the scheme design if required.  After commissioning all signals are checked again by the SSC to confirm no other issues have arisen.

    The SSC consists of a qualified and experienced chairman and representatives from the signalling design office and the affected TOCs.  All have to sign the SSF to confirm acceptance.

    My personal opinion, based upon over 45 years experience, is that we have gone too far in trying to make signal sighting perfect.  Introducing new controls etc. really complicates the signalling interlocking and that introduces new risks into the signalling system.  As the saying goes 'Complexity is the Enemy of Safety'.

    Anyway back to the Thames Valley problems..............

    As a Designated Project Engineer for a new build route the use of "fly through" CAD made the outline design signal sighting quicker, also the final signal sighting sign off was done with a CAD model, I had a CAD operator at the end of the phone so the Signal Designer could make minor adjustments signal positions live in the committee and could actually step up the aspects and illuminate route indicators etc.

    Its all getting far to clever 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 09, 2015, 15:46:07
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some London bound relief lines.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 mins. Disruption is expected until 16:30 09/11


    .............Greenfords starting to be cancelled, lets hope it clears as forecast by 1630.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 09, 2015, 16:46:04
    At 16:45 Taplow Train Board showing every thing on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on November 09, 2015, 17:54:39
    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some London bound relief lines.

    If only! This would seem to apply that they have at least 3 sets of relief lines. No crossrail/hex/emu/turbo line capacity problems if that was the case.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 10, 2015, 10:40:42
    At 16:45 Taplow Train Board showing every thing on time.

    Indeed seemed to be very short lived, however it appears that Ealing Broadway was evacuated/closed for a while later on in the evening due to dangerous overcrowding on the platforms, pal of mine was stuck outside for a while.

    I can remember commuting via Ealing B from 2002 - 2009 and it was always busy (more so in the evenings) but recently it seems to be chaotic in the evening peak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 10, 2015, 11:41:25
    I can remember commuting via Ealing B from 2002 - 2009 and it was always busy (more so in the evenings) but recently it seems to be chaotic in the evening peak.

    Indeed, people keep coming in ever increasing numbers to use the train and tube.  The station rebuild (just about to get under way) which replaces the cramped concourse with something twice the size and additional train services post-Crossrail should make it able to cope much better.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 12, 2015, 11:18:39
    Probably best to stay indoors today!!!


    Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Swindon
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Bristol Parkway and Swindon all lines are blocked.
    Impact Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 35 mins or diverted. Disruption is expected until 02:00 13/11.

    Cancellations to services between Gloucester and Bristol Parkway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Gloucester and Bristol Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Impact Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or suspended between Bristol Parkway and Gloucester. Yate and Cam & Dursley will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:40 12/11.

    Delays to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault on this train between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Impact Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 12:00 12/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: trainer on November 12, 2015, 16:30:44
    I've just returned from a road trip to Gloucester (sorry!) and the M5 southbound was also completely blocked for the morning between Gloucester and Stroud junctions (12 and 13) so no-one was travelling fast in that direction by any mode much before 2pm.  Clear by return at about that time.  It's not just the railways that can thwart plans.

    Sadly a fatality was involved according to BBC Points West In Breakfast.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on November 13, 2015, 08:17:49
    Bit of a zig-zag journey into Town on the early ex-Didcot High Speed Train (HST) service (1P08) this morning. Reading east switch to the Mains as scheduled, back on to the Reliefs at Twyford West, and finally back on to the Mains once more at Ruscombe.  All to avoid a Class 180 ^Zafira^ receiving attention from the Fire Brigade in Twyford Platform 1.  Wondered what all the non-railway yellow hi-vis there were around.  I was hoping it wasn^t another personal tragedy.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 13, 2015, 08:31:15
    Reported as fire in middle carriage; fire brigade called but fire put out by crew before they arrived - probably aftermath / caution / checking was what you saw.  Always sensible to re-act significantly to reports of fires; sounds like this was either well and quickly controlled, or a very minor / nothing incident.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 06:10:57
    Not a great start to the day.......

    Delays to services between Swindon and Bristol Parkway 
    Due to a broken down train between Swindon and Bristol Parkway the Swindon bound line is blocked.

    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading 
    Due to a person being hit by a train between Didcot Parkway and Reading all lines are blocked.
    Impact
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:45 15/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 15, 2015, 08:23:35
    Not a great start to the day.......

    Indeed ... and alas there seems to be *something* going on most days.   Sadly, I can use the map at the top of our pages as an example of a dynamic web graphic on the courses I give and be pretty sure that most of the time there's going to be something showing ... only occasionally do I have to fal back on the dots showing road works or the number in the sea to show people that it's an up to date display.

    Yesterday, we were doing passenger counts on the TransWilts, and one service picked up some extra people to Chippenham due to a diversion / capped service (not sure which) from London to Bristol - originating from a freight train failure at Keynsham.  I was of two minds as to whether I should extrapolate the figures from yesterday directly, or make an allowance to give just 'regular' traffic.    However, this morning's stuff will be meaning that TransWilts trains will be helping out from Chippenham again, so I guess "all's fair" and I go with the unadulterated figures for yesterday.

    P.S.  TaplowGreen - you missed the failed axle counter between Thingley and Bradford Junctions this a.m. resulting in pilot man working ...  ;D

    It's amazing just how often we get the disruption ... and how well the staff on the ground often cope.  Sadly, I suspect they cope so well because they get far too much practise.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 09:11:38
    ......and another one.........

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Greenford all lines are closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 11:00 15/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 09:52:10
    Never rains but it pours...........Network Rail's Christmas hols started early?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the Reading bound fast line is closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 15, 2015, 12:19:03
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Yep. I got totally stuffed by this and spent an hour getting from Reading to Paddington.
    The on-train annoucements left a lot to be desired.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 15, 2015, 12:48:19
    Out of interest how are the train crew kept up to date in the case of disruption?

    Not wishing to create a tangent from this thread but in light of the disruptions it seems relevant



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 13:27:48
    Out of interest how are the train crew kept up to date in the case of disruption?

    Not wishing to create a tangent from this thread but in light of the disruptions it seems relevant



    If it's anything like the information provided to customers I'd say probably semaphore and carrier pigeons.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 15, 2015, 15:47:16
    ....and the signalling has failed again at 1515 on the Down Main at Ladbroke Grove.  Just in time for the start of the evening rush :P ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 15, 2015, 16:17:37
    ....and the signalling has failed again at 1515 on the Down Main at Ladbroke Grove.  Just in time for the start of the evening rush :P ::)

    Indeed.... not like I was going to be able to get away early. I have to work late thanks to this mornings signal faults.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 15/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 16:27:36
    ....and the signalling has failed again at 1515 on the Down Main at Ladbroke Grove.  Just in time for the start of the evening rush :P ::)

    Indeed.... not like I was going to be able to get away early. I have to work late thanks to this mornings signal faults.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 15/12.

    Yep me too...........seems to be mainly affecting Greenfords/Heathrows at the moment - leaving aside the person struck by a train which is obviously outside their control it's been a pretty dismal day's service, let's hope it's not a portent of doom for the Christmas "service" and that which follows between Xmas and New Year, although having been a victim of that for the last few years I'm not hopeful (Bah, Humbug etc!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 15, 2015, 16:27:44
    Well if you want to watch it getting worse and worse you can always watch it here ::) :P: http://sussextrains.co.uk/maps/index.php?map=T2

    If you want to know which train is which click on the headcode. When a train headcode starts turning Red or Pink you know there's trouble ahead..........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 15, 2015, 16:38:25
    Heathrow express have dropped down from a 15 minute interval service to a 30 minute interval service probably to avoid any congestion during the high peak.

    From the Heathrow Express website
    Quote
    Half Hourly Services
    Our services are running half hourly due to a track failure. Trains are departing Heathrow Terminal 5 at 27 and 57 minutes past the hour and leaving Paddington at 25 and 55 minutes past the hour. We apologise for the inconvenience caused.

    ....mmm.  Track failure.  They mean Track Circuit Failure (TCF for short) ::) :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2015, 19:05:01
    Heathrow express have dropped down from a 15 minute interval service to a 30 minute interval service probably to avoid any congestion during the high peak.

    From the Heathrow Express website
    Quote
    Half Hourly Services
    Our services are running half hourly due to a track failure. Trains are departing Heathrow Terminal 5 at 27 and 57 minutes past the hour and leaving Paddington at 25 and 55 minutes past the hour. We apologise for the inconvenience caused.

    ....mmm.  Track failure.  They mean Track Circuit Failure (TCF for short) ::) :(

    I think "failure" just about covers today's service by itself.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2015, 14:47:22
    ...............here we go again...........


    Cancellations to services at London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington some lines are closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:30 16/12.


    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford




    Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford the line is closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 mins. Disruption is expected until 16:30 16/12.

    Customer Advice
    Customers are advised to use alternative London Transport services to and from Greenford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2015, 08:37:46
    ........well I've never seen this one before!!!


    08:12 London Paddington to Reading due 09:12

    Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 5.
    This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

     ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 17, 2015, 08:42:04
    Appearing regularly on Chiltern this past few weeks....possibly wheel flats at this time of year?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2015, 11:51:10
    ....another new one! (.......Conductors Xmas party last night perhaps?)  ;)

    12:34 Redhill to Reading due 13:54

    This train will be cancelled.
    This is due to a shortage of train conductors.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 17, 2015, 11:53:58
    I got a journeycheck email referring to problems with the overhead wires....the first of many, no doubt!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2015, 12:06:27
    I got a journeycheck email referring to problems with the overhead wires....the first of many, no doubt!

    ......did it mention a delay of several years?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 17, 2015, 12:15:18
    I got a journeycheck email referring to problems with the overhead wires....the first of many, no doubt!
    This train will be cancelled.
    This is due to a shortage of train conductors.

    Are you sure they are not both about the same problem?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 17, 2015, 12:24:14
    I got a journeycheck email referring to problems with the overhead wires....the first of many, no doubt!

    ......did it mention a delay of several years?  ;)

    It certainly appears to be giving HEx major problems as the service has been completely suspended since around 10.30 this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2015, 12:51:48
    I think the delay reason scripts may have been altered/expanded.  I'd never seen the 'more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time' message before, but have also spotted it being used by Arriva Trains Wales today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 17, 2015, 13:01:05
    I think there has been an update.  Seen reports quoting the lack of a driver or lack of a train manager today rather than the generic "staff shortage". 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2015, 13:07:34
    Good to see a more honest and detailed set of scripts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 17, 2015, 16:20:18
    I'm currently at EAL. Heathrow Connect unit 360201 is sitting in P4 going nowhere. Announcer is saying that due to a signalling failure all PAD trains are leaving from P2 and there's no Greenford service at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 17, 2015, 16:29:57
    I got an update this morning saying that a train would have 2 rather than 5 carriages 'due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 17, 2015, 16:42:49
    My phone lit up at 16:00 [ the start of my evening peak alerting window ]. Alas...
    Hopefully things will be back to normal-ish for the commute.

    Following urgent repairs to the track earlier today between Slough and Langley all lines are now open.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 5 mins. Disruption is expected until 17:00 17/12.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington the London bound relief line is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:55 17/12.

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Stapleton Road and Bristol Temple Meads fewer trains are able to run on the Bristol Temple Meads bound line.
    Impact: Train services between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 60 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 17/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 17, 2015, 18:15:06
    Black Thursday! Unseasonaly hot weather?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2015, 21:14:45
    Wrong type of mildness?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 17, 2015, 23:16:51
    I just wonder, when did 10mins late on a 30min journey become so much the norm that the driver doesn't comment and 'all lines are awesome' ??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Visoflex on December 18, 2015, 08:53:21
    Probably awesomely bad


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on December 18, 2015, 22:43:01
    I just wonder, when did 10mins late on a 30min journey become so much the norm that the driver doesn't comment and 'all lines are awesome' ??

    Probably been trained by London Underground - "There is a good service on all lines" says the auto announcer when you have been waiting twice as long as normal for a train and underground staff have closed the barriers to stop any more getting on to the overcrowded platforms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2016, 08:59:01
    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead some lines are disrupted.
    Impact
    Train services running through this station are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 20/01.

    Good to see things are returning to normal but a pretty miserable experience for a lot of people this morning, delays, cancellations and some dreadful overcrowding. I was 15 minutes late leaving Taplow and by the time we got past West Drayton the train was absolutely rammed.

    Worse for those heading West I believe.

    As I understand it there were 2 explanations/reasons being offered - signal problems caused by overnight engineering work and just good old fashioned signal problems!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 20, 2016, 09:52:50
    You were lucky you only had 15 minutes delay.  At Pangbourne the busy 0836 to Reading and Paddington (which Mrs GTBE was going for to-day) was cancelled, and the next train (the 0849) didn't turned up until 0905.  It then managed to drop another 2 minutes to Reading, so 31 minutes late on a 9 minute journey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 20, 2016, 09:55:11
    You were lucky you only had 15 minutes delay.  At Pangbourne the busy 0836 to Reading and Paddington (which Mrs GTBE was going for to-day) was cancelled, and the next train (the 0849) didn't turned up until 0905.  It then managed to drop another 2 minutes to Reading, so 31 minutes late on a 9 minute journey.

    Your fault per chance GTBE?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 20, 2016, 11:03:43
    Er.. yes. She^s on the train 3 days this week, so far played 2 lost 2.  Just hope tomorrow goes Ok. 

    I think many of us who work or worked on the railway get the same treatment from our wives/husbands, friends etc.  At least us retired ones can say ^it wouldn^t have happened in my day^.  And maybe sometimes we^re right.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 20, 2016, 11:27:30
    Yeah been a bit of a mess for me as well the past two mornings. Yesterdays 0738 from Goring was 2 car instead of 5. Arrived at Reading and were told it was running to Slough and Paddington only due to short form to avoid excessive overcrowding, which I thought was actually very well planned out as it would have been horrendous by Maidenhead.

    Then this morning it was 5 cars as usual, then on arrival at Reading we were all turfed off due to a train fault (no idea what). The 0811 was then delayed, and just before we left around 0815, the 0758 from Goring arrived at Reading.

    On a slightly different note, I thought 1st class was being removed from the turbos ? Since Christmas we have had 1st class on the 0738 almost every day (and I was just getting used to sitting in a comfy seat  >:( ;D )


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 20, 2016, 11:30:00
    I thought that was only on the 165s? One section on the longer-distance 166s was being kept?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 20, 2016, 11:34:26
    Ah, that may explain it then, they have been 166's almost every day as well... Sorry guess I got confused, I thought they were only being kept on one particular line (very hazy memory so sorry for the vagueness!).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 20, 2016, 12:26:34

    Then this morning it was 5 cars as usual, then on arrival at Reading we were all turfed off due to a train fault (no idea what). The 0811 was then delayed, and just before we left around 0815, the 0758 from Goring arrived at Reading.


    No train fault on the 0738 from Goring, it was terminated early at Reading due to issues with the points at Ruscombe (between Twyford and Maidenhead).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 20, 2016, 12:44:26
    No train fault on the 0738 from Goring, it was terminated early at Reading due to issues with the points at Ruscombe (between Twyford and Maidenhead).

    Oh, shame no one explained that then!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2016, 15:12:59
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 mins. Disruption is expected until 17:00 20/01.

    A fun evening to match the morning by the looks of it - I'm hearing someone on a bridge threatening to jump?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 20, 2016, 15:23:23
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 mins. Disruption is expected until 17:00 20/01.

    A fun evening to match the morning by the looks of it - I'm hearing someone on a bridge threatening to jump?

    I appreciate the frustration this may be causing (on the top of all the other delays) but it may be worth exercising discretion on the forum and avoiding speculation. Nothing personal TG


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2016, 15:42:31
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 mins. Disruption is expected until 17:00 20/01.

    A fun evening to match the morning by the looks of it - I'm hearing someone on a bridge threatening to jump?

    I appreciate the frustration this may be causing (on the top of all the other delays) but it may be worth exercising discretion on the forum and avoiding speculation. Nothing personal TG

    Understood BB - things seem to be on the move again - happy ending thankfully.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on January 20, 2016, 20:15:38
    Yes, thankfully it appears that the suicidal male at Royal Oak (I'm assuming on an over bridge), was talked down by skilled negotiators.

    Top marks to all those involved in what appears to have been a satisfactory result. Yes, there were delays and disruptions (my and bobm's plan to visit the London Transport Museum being one such curtailed plan). However, one less railway fatality. For that, praise is due to all the staff, both rail and emergency services, who dealt with this incident this afternoon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 20, 2016, 21:20:16
    At least everyone got home in one piece.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2016, 21:29:01
    I do find myself pondering how much this type of incidents cost to all concerned.....dozens of cancelled/hugely delayed trains, thousands of disrupted journeys........must run into ^hundreds of thousands?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 20, 2016, 22:48:38
    My view is probably completely unacceptable so I will keep it to myself.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 20, 2016, 22:55:12
    I wouldn't wish what must have been that person's state of mind on anyone here. And I hope you wouldn't either


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on January 20, 2016, 23:15:28
    My view is probably completely unacceptable so I will keep it to myself.

    Would your view include a Derek and Clive lyric?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 21, 2016, 10:52:35
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the on train signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 mins. Disruption is expected until 12:45 21/01.


    ......new day, new reason! (would this be HEX/Heathrow Connect?)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 21, 2016, 14:32:30
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the on train signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 mins. Disruption is expected until 12:45 21/01.


    ......new day, new reason! (would this be HEX/Heathrow Connect?)

    It was a points failure at Southall!  Connect services were suspended as a result.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 21, 2016, 15:01:22
    I do find myself pondering how much this type of incidents cost to all concerned.....dozens of cancelled/hugely delayed trains, thousands of disrupted journeys........must run into ^hundreds of thousands?

    Message on GWR website;

    Our apology

    Major Incident on Wednesday 20th January.

     As a result of emergency services dealing with a serious trespass incident at Royal Oak, all lines between London and Slough had to be closed and we were unable to operate any services into or out of Paddington Station.

     Unfortunately this incident caused severe delays and cancellations throughout the afternoon and into the evening.

     We are very sorry if your journey was affected by this and we work continuously with British Transport Police and Network Rail to see what measures can be taken to reduce incidents such as these.

     Ben Rule

     Operations Director ^ Great Western Railway


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2016, 17:46:35
    ...........the shape of things to come?

    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington 

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington the London bound line is closed.

    Impact
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:00 06/02.

    Customer Advice
    South West Trains are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on February 06, 2016, 19:07:33
    ...........the shape of things to come?

    No necessarily.  This is still the old OLE (Overhead Electrification) which is known for having problems.  That is why the new stuff (west of Stockley Bridge Junction) has a full gantry (rather than wires between the posts at the top) and the gantries are closer together, together with other changes to make it more robust. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on February 06, 2016, 20:13:04
    ...........the shape of things to come?

    No necessarily.  This is still the old OLE (Overhead Electrification) which is known for having problems.  That is why the new stuff (west of Stockley Bridge Junction) has a full gantry (rather than wires between the posts at the top) and the gantries are closer together, together with other changes to make it more robust. 

    ... but less aesthetically pleasing to those in the Goring Gap.  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on February 15, 2016, 17:58:55
    *MODS*

    I started a separate topic on a more relevant board before seeing these recent posts here. I wonder if the last few posts could be moved and merged as today's engineering overrun wasn't in the Thames Valley (for a change!).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 15, 2016, 20:32:06
    All done - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16743.0  ;) :D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 17, 2016, 12:14:36
    Thames Valley punctuality performance last month was at 86.4%, over 1% lower than it was last month, but still enough to increase the MAA (Moving Annual Average) from 84.3% to 84.6%.

    All other sectors are still easily achieving the season ticket discount 'trigger' levels, with all except HSS also above the 'target' figure.

    I'll do a monthly update on this thread, so we can follow the trend from what should be the current low (old trains, lack of capacity, lots of engineering works) to a future high when Crossrail launches.  I'm sure there will be a few peaks and troughs in the intervening years!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 29, 2016, 10:15:39
    .......I do love the refreshing honesty of these new excuses!  :)


    09:18 Reading to London Paddington due 10:18 

    This train has been delayed from Reading and is now 36 minutes late.
    This train will no longer call at Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow, Burnham, Slough, West Drayton, Hayes & Harlington, Southall and Ealing Broadway.

    This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on February 29, 2016, 10:44:46

    ...This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

    I wonder if it is actually the HEx 332s that are causing the problems? 

    AIUI they are out of service while their anti-roll bars are checked for cracks, and the Connect 360s are running HEx; so GW are running a Paddington - Hayes stopper...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 29, 2016, 10:48:47
    .......I do love the refreshing honesty of these new excuses!  :)


    09:18 Reading to London Paddington due 10:18 

    This train has been delayed from Reading and is now 36 minutes late.
    This train will no longer call at Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow, Burnham, Slough, West Drayton, Hayes & Harlington, Southall and Ealing Broadway.

    This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

    I was on a Virgin Trains service from Euston to Glasgow yesterday (Sunday) and made use of the toilet.

    When I locked the door there was a recorded announcment stating the things that should not be flushed down the toilet- I've convinced the last thing in the list was "Goldfish"....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 29, 2016, 10:53:13
    it was, you heard right...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on February 29, 2016, 10:54:20
    This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

    Presumably in the future, for class 800/801/345 etc., it will say something like "this is due to the train supplier delivering too few trains today".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on February 29, 2016, 15:01:50
    I was on a Virgin Trains service from Euston to Glasgow yesterday (Sunday) and made use of the toilet.

    When I locked the door there was a recorded announcment stating the things that should not be flushed down the toilet- I've convinced the last thing in the list was "Goldfish"....

    That announcement is the same as the signs seen on raised toilet lids, or next to the toilet, on trains in the Stagecoach/Virgin fleets:

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160229_145646_zpsr3v4heic.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 29, 2016, 15:17:43
    And it's reasonably amusing the first time you hear it, but less so over time!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2016, 08:57:31

    ...This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

    I wonder if it is actually the HEx 332s that are causing the problems? 

    AIUI they are out of service while their anti-roll bars are checked for cracks, and the Connect 360s are running HEx; so GW are running a Paddington - Hayes stopper...

    Paul


    Not sure this is working out particularly well - I note that a similar message is on RTT today and my usual train was crush loaded from Hayes onwards, people left on platform..........then we roll past OOC to see lots of shiny HEX trains in the sidings!

    Any idea how long this is likely to continue?






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2016, 15:17:12
    Alterations to services at Southall 
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Southall the London bound main line is blocked.
    Impact
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 25 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 01/03.

    Reading - Paddington Stoppers non stopping Langley/Iver/West Drayton/Hayes/Ealing - not exactly ideal with Heathrow Connect down too.........Advice for those wanting Langley - Ealing? Go to Paddington and double back.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 01, 2016, 15:26:00
    Any idea how long this is likely to continue?

    The HEX website refers currently to 29 Feb - 1 Mar - so maybe back to normal in the morning? Either that, or they don't yet know & maybe that date will change daily until they do?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 01, 2016, 18:40:38
    40 mins late into work this morning from Twyford as my usual, fast train was half size and couldn't get on. Apparently due to rolling stock being cascaded around although no mention on the GWR website about this. Again if GWR provided full information other than just saying it affects Hayes then I could make alternative plans rather than standing in the rain wondering if I'll get on the next train.  >:(

    What I don't really understand is why GWR are providing rolling stock for Heathrow Express which is so far as I know a completely separate company and even a rival on the Heathrow route. Presumably a commercial arrangement has been agreed to switch the rolling stock and GWR are being compensated? I would have hoped their own customers should take priority?

    Perhaps next time there's a major incident I'll be allowed to use my ticket on the HEX as that does provide an alternative way home (if friends are still working out that way).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 01, 2016, 18:46:10
    HConnect is part-owned by HEX, or HEX contract GWR to run HConnect services, don't they?.....so there'll be some arrangement in their contract to enable this. I don't think GWR have much choice?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 01, 2016, 19:24:04
    HConnect is part-owned by HEX, or HEX contract GWR to run HConnect services, don't they?.....so there'll be some arrangement in their contract to enable this. I don't think GWR have much choice?
    Wikipedia says, in its usual authoritative tone of writing:
    Quote
    Heathrow Connect has a complex operating structure. The rolling stock and on-board staff are supplied by Heathrow Airport Holdings (formerly BAA) through the Heathrow Express company. For the portion of the journey between Paddington and Hayes & Harlington, these are leased to GWR and the service is classed as being "operated" by the latter. Between Hayes & Harlington and Airport Junction, it runs using open-access rights obtained by Heathrow Express. Beyond Airport Junction the track is owned by Heathrow Airport Holdings.

    That's borne out by the GWR Franchise ITT, where we read:
    Quote
    Successful mobilisation will include, among other things:
    ...
    * entering into the specific arrangements with BAA under the Great Western franchise in relation to the Heathrow Connect service;
    ...
    Train crew for the Heathrow Connect electric train service from Paddington to Heathrow are to be secured via a special agreement with BAA.
    ...
    Use of the Class 360 electric trains used on the Heathrow Connect service is to be secured via a special agreement with BAA, rather than through a ROSCO lease.
    ...
    It should be assumed that Crossrail Rolling Stock will replace the existing Heathrow Connect rolling stock in May 2018. The Franchisee will not be required make any provision for rolling stock associated with this service after May 2018.
    Staff that operate the Heathrow Connect service are employees of the Heathrow Express Operating Company Limited and thus any staff issues associated with this transfer are not a matter for the Great Western Franchise.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 01, 2016, 20:11:23
    So HEX OWN & operate HConnect...so of course they'll use them on the HEX trains if needed. GWR being franchised to operate between PAD & Hates, are doing that with 165s. Does make sense


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 02, 2016, 06:36:33
    Looks like the same situation today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 02, 2016, 09:30:35
    So HEX OWN & operate HConnect...so of course they'll use them on the HEX trains if needed. GWR being franchised to operate between PAD & Hates, are doing that with 165s. Does make sense

    I imagine that HEx's track access agreement doesn't include serving the stations en route. So, "obviously", it's easier for GWR to sub-lease train and crew and operate part of the route than alter the TAA.

    I'd always thought HLA were dragooned into co-providing the HC service, but it now looks as if that's wrong, and rather unfair on them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2016, 10:40:48
    Just mentioned on uk.rail newsgroup

    Quote
    Now extended to cracks around the bogie centre pin mounts
    and
    From RailNews (http://railnews.mobi/news/2016/03/02-heathrow-express-fleet-withdrawn-indefinitely.html)
    Quote
    *Heathrow Express fleet withdrawn indefinitely*
     
     THE premium fare train service to Heathrow Airport will be operated by
     substitute rolling stock until further notice, after depot staff carrying
     out routine maintenance on Sunday reportedly discovered a crack in an
     underframe which the operator has described as a 'structural defect'.
     
     The Class 332 fleet has operated Heathrow Express since the service began
     in 1998. The units were supplied to BAA after a contract had been agreed
     with a joint venture between Siemens and CAF, and built by CAF at Zaragoza
     in Spain. Engineers from both companies have arrived at Old Oak Common
     depot to help investigate the fault.
     
     ...
     Heathrow Express said: "Following investigation, a fault ^ a structural
     defect on the underside of the carriage ^ was found on some Heathrow
     Express trains. They have now been taken out of service for the foreseeable
     future, and will undergo further examination and maintenance work.
     Passengers can still reach the airport using the Heathrow Express as a
     15-minute service is being maintained using alternative trains."

    So ongoing, with indefinite time-frame currently


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 02, 2016, 11:21:14
    Journeycheck is now saying:
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5:

    I can't help feeling that this new-style reason is a bit of an understatement in this case.

    And while it may be literally true that these trains are "between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5" at the moment, it's hardly relevant, is it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 02, 2016, 17:02:34
    Being pedantic  ::) the problems with HEX class 322 is not a railway infrastructure problem its a traction and rolling stock problem


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on March 02, 2016, 18:35:31
    The Journeycheck item is not well written, particularly the opening para.  The item doesn't even state that the new Hayes shuttle stops at every station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 02, 2016, 18:43:39
    Being pedantic  ::) the problems with HEX class 322 is not a railway infrastructure problem its a traction and rolling stock problem

    Not sure what Northern Rail units have to do with this  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 03, 2016, 18:21:11
    Being pedantic  ::) the problems with HEX class 322 is not a railway infrastructure problem its a traction and rolling stock problem

    Not sure what Northern Rail units have to do with this  ;)

    Ah being pedantic about my pedantic  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on March 03, 2016, 19:33:32
    Full stop tonight. The 19.00 to Bristol has come to a stop near Ealing with smoke onboard. Nothing moving. Joy.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on March 03, 2016, 19:56:33
    Not the infrastructure at fault this time. Dragging brakes in Coach A.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on March 03, 2016, 20:18:13
    Not the infrastructure at fault this time. Dragging brakes in Coach A.


    On this thread, last infrastructure faults reported on March 1st and Feb 6th.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 03, 2016, 21:14:50
    Just the three trains badly delayed by over 30 minutes, including the train which was the culprit. Couple of local services cancelled as well to free up some slots on the relief lines.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 03, 2016, 21:17:52
    Not the infrastructure at fault this time. Dragging brakes in Coach A.

    I trust they were dragging quietly.  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on March 04, 2016, 05:37:45
    Not the infrastructure at fault this time. Dragging brakes in Coach A.

    I trust they were dragging quietly.  ::)

    Lol! And that the passengers in Coach A weren't tutting too loudly :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on April 04, 2016, 23:59:20
    Signal problems yet again in the Thames Valley this evening.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/paddington-station-chaos-after-signal-failure-a3217956.html


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 05, 2016, 05:40:08
    Signal problems yet again in the Thames Valley this evening.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/paddington-station-chaos-after-signal-failure-a3217956.html

    ......and prior to that, no service for Burnham/Taplow for several hours in the morning, and after that more track problems between Maidenhead/Reading causing major delays to late evening services

    I won't recount all my woes in detail here (I got stuck morning and evening, and spent a total of six and a half hours travelling to and from work yesterday due to the railways failings) - thankfully my rail replacement service (Mrs TG) dropped me at Slough in the morning, and collected me from Uxbridge Tube station at about 9pm last night, but yesterday really was one of  those days when you ask yourself if we have a railway worthy of the name, on which a lot of us spend thousands of ^ annually. 

    One thing I will say for yesterday evening though, the comms was better and clearer at Paddington - people were left in no doubt whatsoever that there would be no trains leaving for some time, and they would be better off trying Waterloo for Reading etc etc - better bad news than no news at all. I was headed for Waterloo via Baker St when I spotted a Met Line train for Uxbridge and realised that would be a better option, however I fear the two spousal "rail replacement" services may cost me more than I had thought!!!  Lets hope for better today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on April 05, 2016, 09:51:36
    I like the comment from 'bj east london' below the Standard article:

    Quote
    "Carnage"?? Very inconvenient for travellers but nobody died.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 05, 2016, 10:05:27
    One thing I will say for yesterday evening though, the comms was better and clearer at Paddington - people were left in no doubt whatsoever that there would be no trains leaving for some time, and they would be better off trying Waterloo for Reading etc etc - better bad news than no news at all. I was headed for Waterloo via Baker St when I spotted a Met Line train for Uxbridge and realised that would be a better option, however I fear the two spousal "rail replacement" services may cost me more than I had thought!!!  Lets hope for better today.

    I was due to travel  on the 00:20 (ish) this morning from RDG to Thatcham which was cancelled just after it was due to depart - apparently one of the signalling team that controlled the section of track we were due to travel on was taken sick and no replacement.

    On this occasion I can't fault the comms from GWR - to the point when we got on the replacement bus a GWR team member came on to the bus and apologised.

    It wasn't all plain sailing through - the bus driver didn't even know where he had to go but this was no fault of GWR.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 05, 2016, 13:25:41
    I like the comment from 'bj east london' below the Standard article:

    Quote
    "Carnage"?? Very inconvenient for travellers but nobody died.


    .............I almost did..........try asking my wife for a lift to/from another station twice in one day!!!  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 11, 2016, 05:25:50
    Another great start to a GWR week.....

    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington 
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 mins.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Greenford 
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Greenford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 08:00 11/04.

    ..........last Monday it was overrunning engineering in the morning, signal failure in the evening, other way around today?  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on April 11, 2016, 10:42:01
    Another great start to a GWR week.....
    ..........last Monday it was overrunning engineering in the morning, signal failure in the evening, other way around today?  >:(

    Not wanting to be picky, but...
    "Over-running Engineering Work" in the Evening would suggest that the Engineers started early, before the end of traffic.  While we're all keen to get on with the job, we tend not to start until the last train has passed... ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 11, 2016, 11:44:04
    Another great start to a GWR week.....
    ..........last Monday it was overrunning engineering in the morning, signal failure in the evening, other way around today?  >:(

    Not wanting to be picky, but...
    "Over-running Engineering Work" in the Evening would suggest that the Engineers started early, before the end of traffic.  While we're all keen to get on with the job, we tend not to start until the last train has passed... ;)


    ............it's Health and Safety gone mad!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 11, 2016, 18:55:44
    Another great start to a GWR week.....
    ..........last Monday it was overrunning engineering in the morning, signal failure in the evening, other way around today?  >:(

    Not wanting to be picky, but...
    "Over-running Engineering Work" in the Evening would suggest that the Engineers started early, before the end of traffic.  While we're all keen to get on with the job, we tend not to start until the last train has passed... ;)


    Depends where the engineering work is; during the day for example at OOC it is possible that some of the lines into the depot are blocked for engineering work, the block being lifted in time for the run up to the evening peak


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 04, 2016, 16:05:00
    Yesterday (3rd May) evening -> Acton signalling.
    This morning -> Didcot signalling.
    This evening:
    "Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington the London bound relief line is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 16:30 04/05"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 05, 2016, 15:27:38
    More of the same signalling problems today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 09, 2016, 09:06:58
    And Swindon/Didcot this morning (09/05)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: autotank on May 09, 2016, 14:11:43
    There were problems between Iver and Slough this morning as well. I caught the 0959 down stopper from Hayes and Harlington which used the Down Main until just after Slough and missed the HOT connection at TWY.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 12, 2016, 09:08:43
    After the flooding last night (discussed elsewhere) there are more problems this morning.
    The Newbury - Thatcham line was closed due to a level crossing fault.
    There were signalling problems through West Drayton and Southall.

    These two conspired to delay me by around half an hour into Paddington (where I spent an hour last night wondering what was going where).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 13, 2016, 08:53:21
    Signalling problems at Basingstoke this morning affecting my local services to Reading. Another 35 minutes delay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on May 13, 2016, 15:23:31
    After the flooding last night (discussed elsewhere) there are more problems this morning.
    I'm probably being blind and stupid, but I've looked, and can't find anything about the flooding.  Can you point me in the right direction plz?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on May 13, 2016, 15:44:58
    Have a look here (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17030.0)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 16, 2016, 09:48:10
    Delays London bound through Hayes this morning due to earlier failed Heathrow Connect(?) service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 16, 2016, 10:16:20
    ......seems to be lots of ticket office closures too for some reason?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on May 17, 2016, 19:25:47
    Delays London bound through Hayes this morning due to earlier failed Heathrow Connect(?) service.

    ......seems to be lots of ticket office closures too for some reason?

    ... neither of which are really infrastructure problems, are they?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 19, 2016, 08:05:25
    Signalling problems at Oxford this morning causing knock on delays through Reading into Paddington.
    The HST stopper I joined at Reading at 0700 was rammed(*) after Maidenhead.

    (*) Technical term ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 19, 2016, 08:07:23
    The HST stopper I joined at Reading at 0700 was rammed(*) after Maidenhead.

    (*) Technical term ;)

    Full & Standing for the non technical   ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 19, 2016, 09:35:58
    Lots of "non stoppers" at Maidenhead this morning, some very unhappy/squashed/late people judging from friends reports and Twitter feed...........for once I was pleased to get on my "slow" all stations train from Taplow!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 19, 2016, 11:16:32
    Most, if not all, caused by the points failure at Oxford, mentioned by Jason.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 29, 2016, 09:56:59
    Delays to services between Plymouth and Totnes 
    Due to a shortage of train drivers between Plymouth and Totnes some Newton Abbot bound lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 60 mins.

    .............what on Earth are they doing to block the line? Sleeping on the tracks?  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on May 29, 2016, 10:16:06
    Ooh, you'll be in for it Taplow, that's nowhere near LTV land!

    Anyhow, an NR engineering train broken down, the driver is out of hours and there isn't another available for it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 29, 2016, 10:35:09
    Ooh, you'll be in for it Taplow, that's nowhere near LTV land!

    Anyhow, an NR engineering train broken down, the driver is out of hours and there isn't another available for it.


    Ouch! Good luck to those trying to get to Twickenham from the Westcountry then..........thankfully I'm travelling via Windsor!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 29, 2016, 13:09:59
    Ooh, you'll be in for it Taplow, that's nowhere near LTV land!

    Anyhow, an NR engineering train broken down, the driver is out of hours and there isn't another available for it.


    We heard the driver employed by the freight company didn't actually sign the route outside of the engineering worksite so they had to find another driver to go and move the train.  Sounds more like a rostering error by the freight company.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 29, 2016, 16:26:36
    Another one of the hazards of splitting up the railways.

    How can you have a driver who only signs for a worksite?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 29, 2016, 17:59:21
    Another one of the hazards of splitting up the railways.
    How can you have a driver who only signs for a worksite?

    Possibly a driver who does not know the area of the works, but who has been specifically authorised to drive within the work site only.
    Most, perhaps all of the normal route knowledge, is not relevant within a worksite.
    Location of signals, often not applicable as they may be out of use for the works, and it is usual to give permission to pass signals at danger due to the works requiring more than one train in a section.
    Speed limits, often not applicable as the maximum speed permitted in a work site is often much lower than the usual line speed.
    Stopping places, and braking points to stop correctly at stations, not usually relevant as engineering trains stop as needed for the work.
    And so on.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 30, 2016, 09:07:29
    Another one of the hazards of splitting up the railways.
    How can you have a driver who only signs for a worksite?

    Possibly a driver who does not know the area of the works, but who has been specifically authorised to drive within the work site only.
    Most, perhaps all of the normal route knowledge, is not relevant within a worksite.
    Location of signals, often not applicable as they may be out of use for the works, and it is usual to give permission to pass signals at danger due to the works requiring more than one train in a section.
    Speed limits, often not applicable as the maximum speed permitted in a work site is often much lower than the usual line speed.
    Stopping places, and braking points to stop correctly at stations, not usually relevant as engineering trains stop as needed for the work.
    And so on.

    .........and the consequences of having no back up plan were many journeys disrupted and days out ruined on one of the busiest days of the year with a number of major events taking place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 30, 2016, 09:55:41
    What a way to run the railway!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on May 30, 2016, 10:08:48
    And yet again GWR get all the flack for not being prepared and being short of staff to move this train (sic).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 01, 2016, 09:15:48
    .............here we go again.......

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway 




    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines.



    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 mins. Disruption is expected until 11:30 01/06.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on June 01, 2016, 19:18:24
    I think GWR must be chomping at the bit for the Elizabeth Line to take over the reliefs out of Paddington, just so TfL get the flack instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 02, 2016, 07:16:47
    I think GWR must be chomping at the bit for the Elizabeth Line to take over the reliefs out of Paddington, just so TfL get the flack instead.
    ........but surely Network Rail (NR) will have all the signalling in perfect working order by then? ;-)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on June 02, 2016, 07:58:35
    I think GWR must be chomping at the bit for the Elizabeth Line to take over the reliefs out of Paddington, just so TfL get the flack instead.

    I wonder if it will be TfL who get the flack or the actual operator, MTR...... although I suspect most will still think its run by First!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 02, 2016, 10:17:12

    I wonder if it will be TfL who get the flack or the actual operator, MTR...... although I suspect most will still think its run by First!

    I thought it was Thames trains runs the TV service!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 06, 2016, 15:13:39
    ...............could be a fun journey home  >:(



    Cancellations to services between Slough and Hayes & Harlington 

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:00 06/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 06, 2016, 16:17:56
    It is not much improved now...

    Following a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines have now reopened.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 06/06.

    Just what you need on a warm day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 06, 2016, 17:22:33
    It is not much improved now...

    Following a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines have now reopened.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 06/06.

    Just what you need on a warm day.
      .....wait for it........If it keeps up pretty soon this seasonally normal weather will be cited as the reason for the next tranche of delays/cancellations if previous years are anything to go by!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 10, 2016, 17:17:18
    .....Happy Friday!  ::)

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough 

    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Slough all lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 mins or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 18:15 10/06


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 10, 2016, 17:52:06
    Unconfirmed but customers on Twitter are saying that there is a fire on the train in question.

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough 

    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Slough all lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:45 10/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 10, 2016, 18:15:22
    Wondered why I haven't heard any trains recently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 10, 2016, 18:20:09
    Wondered why I haven't heard any trains recently.
      .......according to Journeycheck two trains broke down in the same area! Clearly it's not just traincrew that GWR are running short of, lack of maintenance too!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on June 10, 2016, 19:08:46
    1C89 suffered a flash over and resulting fire in the power car at Hayes and Harlington
    1Y70 has been declared a complete failure just outside Heathrow tunnel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 10, 2016, 19:09:25
    Quote
    Additional Information
    Owing to the breakdown of 2 trains in the same area train services between London Paddington and Paddington are subject to considerable disruption.

    hmmmmm


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 10, 2016, 19:12:38
    and another.....

    Quote
    18:03 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 19:25 

    This train will be terminated at Guildford.
    This train will no longer call at North Camp, Blackwater, Wokingham and Reading.
    This is due to a fault on this train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 10, 2016, 20:24:20
    1C89 suffered a flash over and resulting fire in the power car at Hayes and Harlington
    1Y70 has been declared a complete failure just outside Heathrow tunnel.

    For the record. Here's the recalcitrant power car after it skulked back into Paddington before going to Old Oak Common. (Not a lot to see - but a lot of people thought it was going to be their train home and queued next to it - only to see it leave empty)

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hstflash.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 10, 2016, 21:43:06
    http://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/90829/gwr-and-plymouth-s-gaia-spa-to-offer-free-on/   .......don't worry, everyone can get a free GWR stress relieving massage tomorrow, I'm sure that will be a great help after a 3hr journey home tonight and an evening ruined!  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 10, 2016, 22:31:30
    It looks rather like smoke or fire damage to the platform canopy, but not in the right place as the errant power car is clearly further away from the camera than the canopy.

    Has something else caught fire recently ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 10, 2016, 23:37:59
    It looks rather like smoke or fire damage to the platform canopy, but not in the right place as the errant power car is clearly further away from the camera than the canopy.

    Has something else caught fire recently ?

    Just carbon deposits from the exhausts of countless High Speed Train (HST) power cars stopping at the same spot

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 13, 2016, 09:05:11
    We need a new thread for train failure ;) ?

    Due to a broken down train between Swindon and Bristol Parkway the Bristol Parkway bound line is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 13/06.
    Customer Advice: Due to a fault on a train just West of Swindon services towards Bristol Parkway and West Wales & Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads will be delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on June 13, 2016, 09:40:26
    1C89 suffered a flash over and resulting fire in the power car at Hayes and Harlington
    1Y70 has been declared a complete failure just outside Heathrow tunnel.

    For the record. Here's the recalcitrant power car after it skulked back into Paddington before going to Old Oak Common. (Not a lot to see - but a lot of people thought it was going to be their train home and queued next to it - only to see it leave empty)

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hstflash.jpg)

    Was a refurbished alternator as well that went up in smoke.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 13, 2016, 10:30:52

    Was a refurbished alternator as well that went up in smoke.

    It can't have been particularly well refurbished!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 13, 2016, 12:36:50
    Could be nasty, hope no-one is injured...............

    Due to an obstruction on the track between Castle Cary and Taunton all lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:45 13/06.

    Customer Advice
    This is due to a train having hit a tree.
    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Westbury and Exeter St Davids via Yeovil Bus Station in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 13, 2016, 12:47:30
    Extending the Thames Valley again, TG? :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on June 13, 2016, 13:35:33
    Could be nasty, hope no-one is injured...............

    Due to an obstruction on the track between Castle Cary and Taunton all lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:45 13/06.

    Customer Advice
    This is due to a train having hit a tree.
    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Westbury and Exeter St Davids via Yeovil Bus Station in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Minor damage to the nose cone and to the lifeguard.  It's the damaged lifeguard which is preventing the train from being moved


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on June 13, 2016, 13:38:52

    Was a refurbished alternator as well that went up in smoke.

    It can't have been particularly well refurbished!

    That's German engineering for you! 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 13, 2016, 13:54:37
    Minor damage to the nose cone and to the lifeguard.  It's the damaged lifeguard which is preventing the train from being moved

    The lifeguard being a metal bar running in front of and in line with the front wheels designed to deflect/break objects and stop them from hitting or going under the wheels.  Image shown here:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Lifeguard_on_Class_43_powercar.jpg


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 13, 2016, 13:59:59
    Trains been moved.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 13, 2016, 15:33:43
    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Westbury and Exeter St Davids via Yeovil Bus Station in both directions until further notice.

    Eh?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 13, 2016, 16:18:37
    Doubt you'd get one into/round Pen Mill


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on June 13, 2016, 18:52:52

    Was a refurbished alternator as well that went up in smoke.

    It can't have been particularly well refurbished!

    Maybe this time it will be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 13, 2016, 19:27:16
    Doubt you'd get one into/round Pen Mill

    Get one what?  A passenger or a train?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 13, 2016, 20:46:07
    I was replying to the previos post....

    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Westbury and Exeter St Davids via Yeovil Bus Station in both directions until further notice.

    Eh?

    So maybe a bus?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on June 14, 2016, 08:19:01
    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Westbury and Exeter St Davids via Yeovil Bus Station in both directions until further notice.

    Eh?

    I guess it was just an extremely obtuse way of saying - you can use the Weymouth service, change at Yeovil Pen Mill for the bus service to Yeovil Junction and pick up the SWT service to Exeter St Davids  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 14, 2016, 08:32:41
    Doesn't that bus service also go via the bus station though?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on June 14, 2016, 13:17:50
    Doesn't that bus service also go via the bus station though?

    Yes!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on June 17, 2016, 14:16:34
    This incident is being discussed on two threads as somebody has posted on the "Paddington outage"  (also querying the language of outage)  and pointed out this thread is for Infrastructure posts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 17, 2016, 14:29:06
    Yup - needs a mod to do some moving of posts!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 17, 2016, 14:52:41
    Yup - needs a mod to do some moving of posts!

    This incident is being discussed on two threads as somebody has posted on the "Paddington outage"  (also querying the language of outage)  and pointed out this thread is for Infrastructure posts.

    Fully aware, Gentlemen ... also aware of the mess I would make if I start but cannot finish the job and I'm juggling lots of balls today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 17, 2016, 15:01:05
    Fully aware, Gentlemen ... also aware of the mess I would make if I start but cannot finish the job and I'm juggling lots of balls today.

    What a fun way to spend your Friday, I do hope you mean that literally!!  ;D Although disappointingly I suspect you're just busy with a lot of things!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 17, 2016, 20:50:48
    Yup - needs a mod to do some moving of posts!

    This incident is being discussed on two threads as somebody has posted on the "Paddington outage"  (also querying the language of outage)  and pointed out this thread is for Infrastructure posts.

    Fully aware, Gentlemen ... also aware of the mess I would make if I start but cannot finish the job and I'm juggling lots of balls today.

    I remain fully aware - and aware of repeated notifications too. Somehow the two thread, same topic stuff feels trivial tonight - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17162.msg197342#msg197342 . I'll sort it in the morning.  In the meantime, please feel free to carry on posting - you can help me by doing so in the other thread (at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17158.msg197344#msg197344 ) if it's on the specific subject of the derailment at Paddington and its aftermath.  Thanks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 17, 2016, 23:07:26
    This incident is being discussed on two threads as somebody has posted on the "Paddington outage"  (also querying the language of outage)  and pointed out this thread is for Infrastructure posts.

    The incident referred to here is the derailment of an empty passenger train at Paddington on 16 June 2016: the relevant posts following this one have now been moved and merged into a definitive discussion, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17158.0

    Please bear with us, on the admin / moderator team, in dealing with such issues: we all do this in whatever 'spare time' we have available.  CfN.  :)




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on June 22, 2016, 09:19:45
    I saw this at about 8am this morning and I guess we are going to have to get used to this:

    @nationalrailenq: Delays of up to 15 minutes between Reading and #DidcotParkway due to overhead wire damage between the stations

    But was surprised by this given there are no electric trains and it isn't windy.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 22, 2016, 09:21:26
    The first of many, I suspect


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 22, 2016, 10:03:19
    Stray wire hanging down over one of the lines apparently.  Probably not too surprising it's happened at least once given the installation isn't complete in several locations still, with plenty of temporary fixings still in place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 23, 2016, 09:26:51
    Three for the price of one this morning!


    Cancellations to services at Guildford 
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Guildford some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 23/06.

    Delays to services at Slough 
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the London bound main line. Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 mins. Disruption is expected until 10:45 23/06.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between St Erth and St Ives all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 12:30 23/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 23, 2016, 09:38:07
    I believe the Guildford one was caused by a lightning strike?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 26, 2016, 16:20:40
    ... I’m keeping going on this side topic until it gets moderated out!

    On the grounds that it's drifted from "Thames Valley Infrastructure", I suspect it will get split into a separate thread. But I would doubt it will be deleted.  Many forums are like that ... but this is "The Coffee Shop".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 26, 2016, 20:29:52
    Getting back on topic, and not to test Grahame’s patience any longer, Today’s Railways UK reports that the wires between Scours Lane and Milton Junction go live at 2230 hrs next Saturday 2nd July.

    Should I turn my computer off at 2225 hrs?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 26, 2016, 21:54:55
    ... I’m keeping going on this side topic until it gets moderated out!

    On the grounds that it's drifted from "Thames Valley Infrastructure", I suspect it will get split into a separate thread. But I would doubt it will be deleted.  Many forums are like that ... but this is "The Coffee Shop".

    No, nothing has been deleted.  ;)

    I have simply (actually, it's rather more complicated than that, but never mind  ::) ) moved and merged some posts from here to a more specific and relevant topic, here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17190.0


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 06, 2016, 21:04:03
    10 days without a post on this topic??  Sorry to ruin what could be a record, but....
    Quote
    Alterations to services between Southall and London Paddington 

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Last Updated:06/07/2016 20:53


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 07, 2016, 10:06:12
    Am tracking 1O84 Newcastle Southampton which I am catching from Reading to Basinstoke. It has passed  Derby as I write.

    So also tracking Taplow times. Just noticed 10:18 to Reading  shows up as delayed left Padd on time delayed reaching Ealing Broadway. Plan B?  Panic over seems to have dropped 3 minutes to Southall. Is this a quirk of the system?

    Will be catching 11:21 from Taplow to connect with 1O84


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on July 07, 2016, 10:17:14
    Live departures was having some issues earlier, should be okay now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 08, 2016, 12:54:03
    Am tracking 1O84 Newcastle Southampton which I am catching from Reading to Basinstoke.

    I caught that from Reading to Southampton  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 08, 2016, 16:09:08
    Due to a points failure between Reading West and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:30 08/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 09, 2016, 09:10:25
    Am tracking 1O84 Newcastle Southampton which I am catching from Reading to Basinstoke.

    I caught that from Reading to Southampton  :)

    I had my reserved seat between Reading and Basingstoke (didn't sit in it got off at at Basingstoke to catch following SWT train to Weymouth. interesting a School Party also got off at Basingstoke and caught my train to Southampton. Must be a Cross country ploy to put people on SWT trains asap.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 09, 2016, 10:24:44
    I dropped Mrs FT, N! and her friend at Tiverton Parkway yesterday, to catch the 1426 Plymouth train en route to TQY. When we were told it was running 20L because of problems with overhead wires, she looked at me with a puzzled expression, and said "Aren't the nearest wires somewhere like Heathrow or Brirmingham?". I explained, smugly, what was happening and why problems the other side of Reading in the Thames Valley could have such a knock-on effect.

    Wrong. This one was due to problems with Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) at Berwick-upon-Tweed. The train was cancelled from there and restarted as 1Z52  from Newcastle. Which mattered nothing to her as I stuck them on 1C45 instead, telling them to change at EXD rather than NTA.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 10, 2016, 09:49:07
    From Journey Check
    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:30 10/07.

    Isn't this all new signalling now?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on July 10, 2016, 11:15:09
    From Journey Check
    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:30 10/07.

    Isn't this all new signalling now?

    New doesn't mean immune from faults.  If for example the comms to Didcot are down it won't matter how new it is.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2016, 11:23:45
    I understand there was some sort of software upgrade overnight and the system didn't initially come back up as expected.

    This coupled with points run through at Wootton Bassett and signalling problems at Thingley junction and the Badminton line haven't made for a good morning today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2016, 13:58:19
    I understand there was some sort of software upgrade overnight and the system didn't initially come back up as expected. 

    That's the problem with using Google Play at weekends.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 14, 2016, 13:46:44
    From GWR Live Updates at 13:35 today:
    Quote
    Following a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford all lines will be reopened shortly.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 15:00 14/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Richard Fairhurst on July 14, 2016, 16:48:18
    That's the problem with using Google Play at weekends.
    Oh, I'd heard that the signalling had been forcibly upgraded to Windows 10 without the signallers' consent...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2016, 08:59:00
    ..........looks like summer has belatedly arrived and will continue throughout the week........no doubt with the perennial annual delays/cancellations due to "poor rail conditions"  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 18, 2016, 10:09:20
    Yes, I'm sure it will be a test for the infrastructure.  As soon as I saw the forecast I thought of you ready to pounce at the keyboard, TG.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2016, 14:17:01
    Yes, I'm sure it will be a test for the infrastructure.  As soon as I saw the forecast I thought of you ready to pounce at the keyboard, TG.  ;)

    ...........Bless you for thinking of me, but I'm a bit old to pounce these days! ............would be interested in any initiatives that have been undertaken/are underway to address this apparently intractable although entirely predictable issue though which causes problems every year?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 18, 2016, 16:50:26
    .....well don't forget that they have had the forthought to paint the key turnouts rails white in a vain attempt to keep them from expanding from heat and then suffering from 'switch creep' and subsequently failing... ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on July 18, 2016, 17:09:40
    .....well don't forget that they have had the forthought to paint the key turnouts rails white in a vain attempt to keep them from expanding from heat and then suffering from 'switch creep' and subsequently failing... ::) :P
    Could you expand on the word "vain" for a non-technical audience?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 18, 2016, 17:54:41
    .....well don't forget that they have had the forthought to paint the key turnouts rails white in a vain attempt to keep them from expanding from heat and then suffering from 'switch creep' and subsequently failing... ::) :P
    Could you expand on the word "vain" for a non-technical audience?

    Its not technical at all.......

    Vain
    producing no result; useless.
    "a vain attempt to tidy up the room"
    synonyms: futile, useless, pointless, worthless, nugatory, to no purpose


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 18, 2016, 17:56:37
    Delays to everything heading out of Paddington at the moment due to 'signalling problems'. 😀


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 18, 2016, 18:31:39
    Quote
    .....well don't forget that they have had the forthought to paint the key turnouts rails white in a vain attempt to keep them from expanding from heat and then suffering from 'switch creep' and subsequently failing

    Quote
    Delays to everything heading out of Paddington at the moment due to 'signalling problems'.

    Perhaps they should paint the signals white as well  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 18, 2016, 18:35:20
    Quote
    .....well don't forget that they have had the forthought to paint the key turnouts rails white in a vain attempt to keep them from expanding from heat and then suffering from 'switch creep' and subsequently failing

    Quote
    Delays to everything heading out of Paddington at the moment due to 'signalling problems'.

    Perhaps they should paint the signals white as well  :)

    I believe it was a points failure at Slough...... ::) :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on July 18, 2016, 22:09:12
    Ok, let me re-phrase my question. What was their logic in painting the rails white?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 18, 2016, 22:18:29
    Ok, let me re-phrase my question. What was their logic in painting the rails white?

    White reflects the sun and reduces the temperature of the rail in the sun. I believe this has been explained previously on this forum.

    There is sound science behind it. It may however not reduce the risk of points failure enough to prevent failure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2016, 06:55:14
    Ok, let me re-phrase my question. What was their logic in painting the rails white?

    White reflects the sun and reduces the temperature of the rail in the sun. I believe this has been explained previously on this forum.

    There is sound science behind it. It may however not reduce the risk of points failure enough to prevent failure.
    ...........maybe GWR could paint all their trains white to compensate for the broken aircon/non opening windows? 😉


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 19, 2016, 08:07:18
    There is a lot to be said for painting trains white in order to reflect radiant heat and thereby render conditions a LITTLE more tolerable when the air conditioning breaks. Also slightly reduces the energy consumed by cooling.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 19, 2016, 08:37:52
    There is a lot to be said for painting trains white in order to reflect radiant heat and thereby render conditions a LITTLE more tolerable when the air conditioning breaks. Also slightly reduces the energy consumed by cooling.

    There was at least one dark green train out there yesterday on which the AC wasn't doing very well ... "34 degrees in each carriage" was comment to me; I was much relieved to be on a 153 which when moving with drop lights open at least had circulating air.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2016, 09:16:11
    There is a lot to be said for painting trains white in order to reflect radiant heat and thereby render conditions a LITTLE more tolerable when the air conditioning breaks. Also slightly reduces the energy consumed by cooling.

    There was at least one dark green train out there yesterday on which the AC wasn't doing very well ... "34 degrees in each carriage" was comment to me; I was much relieved to be on a 153 which when moving with drop lights open at least had circulating air.

    In my experience the chance of a local LTV service having working aircon is 50/50 at best - to be fair that isn't always helped by people who insist on opening windows....although it's by no means not unknown to get on board on a warm day to find warm air pumping out........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 19, 2016, 10:02:56
    I'd agree with the 50/50 ratio.  Not particularly impressive but better than the 100% failure rate of the old system.

    I'll repeat my annual post to say that the Class 166 air-con is individual to each carriage, so if one carriage is hot, try another - look for the ones with the windows closed if possible.  There's usually at least one carriage per train that's ok.  Set 218 was perfect throughout when I had the pleasure the other day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 19, 2016, 12:55:37
    Its High Speed Train's (HST)'s only for me in this weather.  I'd rather spend extra time in the office or on Paddington concourse and get a later train that has a fighting chance of being decent.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 19, 2016, 14:23:43
    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:00 19/07.
    Customer Advice: <lots>

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Basingstoke the platform 5 line is disrupted.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 19/07.

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between London Paddington and Greenford fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 22:00 19/07.
    Customer Advice: Due to heat related speed restrictions a limited GWR service is operating between West Ealing and Greenford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 19, 2016, 14:48:18
    GWR Press Release

    Quote
    Heat speed restrictions to slow passenger journeys home

    Stay hydrated and help us keep a lookout for the vulnerable

     

    Due to speed restrictions put in place by Network Rail between 1330 and 1900 Tuesday 19 July, GWR is warning customers that journeys are expected to take longer.

     

    With rail track temperatures set to exceed 50 degrees in parts of London and the Thames Valley, speed restrictions have been put in place throughout the main junctions into and out of London Paddington.

     

    While the vast majority of services are expected to operate as timetabled, journeys may take between 10-15 minutes longer. Customers are advised to check before they travel, to drink plenty of water, and are being asked to help our staff keep a lookout for the more vulnerable making journeys today.

     

    A GWR spokesperson said:

     

    “With temperatures in London set to exceed 30 degrees, the effect can bring the temperature of the rails to over 50 degrees, and we have been asked by Network Rail to drive more slowly as a result.

     

    “We will continue to keep an eye on the situation, alongside Network Rail, and keep you updated throughout the day.”   

     

    A spokesperson for Network Rail explained:

     

    “Our modern rails are far more resistant to heat expansion and buckling than they used to be.  However, a day this hot affects even our track, so we need to restrict speeds for safety.  Full details are available on our website at networkrail.co.uk/delays explained.”

     

    To be able to maintain the train timetable, the following services are expected to be cancelled:

    ·         All Thames Valley branch lines to remain in branch operation but with no direct London services.
    ·         London Paddington to Bedwyn and return services will operate between Bedwyn and Reading only
    ·         London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa and return will operate between Swindon and Cheltenham Spa only
    ·         London Paddington to Oxford direct (calling Slough, Reading, Didcot and Oxford) and return services are cancelled. Passengers are advised to travel to Didcot for connecting services to Oxford.

    Passengers are advised to check their specific journey before they travel.

    More links -

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36836417

    http://m.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14628070.Direct_London_to_Oxford_trains_cancelled_due_to_hot_weather/

    https://twitter.com/NetworkRailPAD/status/755357552033095680?s=17


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 19, 2016, 16:59:14
    ...........I've just nipped out to the shed, there's a pot of white paint going spare if it'd help?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 23, 2016, 22:18:12
    ...........I've just nipped out to the shed, there's a pot of white paint going spare if it'd help?  :)

    The flippancy of your remarks suggests to me that you really do not understand the technical aspects of continuous welded rail. 

    To stop the rails buckling the rails are put in tension most of the time.  The technical term is that they are de-stressed at a certain temperature. This means that for most of the time they are in tension and for part of the time they are in compression, but not high enough to cause a problem. If you try and touch an object that has been exposed to the hour sun for a long time it is usually considerably hotter than the air around it.  Thus the rail is considerably hotter than even to 30 odd degrees air temperature.

    Temperatures of 50 to 55 degrees Celsius are not uncommon (that is too hot to touch for very long without injury).  Painting the rails white has been found to reduce the temperature by between 5 and 10 degrees, so that could be the difference between a speed restriction and no speed restriction!

    Apart from the risk of derailment, once a track has buckled you are stuffed until you can get the temperature down sufficiently so that it can be properly de-stressed (in a hot summer period this could be days) after the repair.  So NR takes a cautious approach to avoid buckling.

    If the rails were to be stressed any more then the tension that would build up in the winter could lead to other problems so there has to be a compromise.  The only other ways  would be

    1) to re-tension the rails every spring and autumn which I would imaging would be prohibitively expensive and would require possessions to do it;
    2) Install slab track everywhere (hugely expensive and disruptive to install);
    3) Go back to short lengths with fishplate joints with expansion joints - (massive increase in maintenance costs and rail failure and probably speed reductions, also much more noise). 

    For further information see this (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/2016/jul/Network-Rail-keeps-railway-running-temperatures-soar/) from Network Rail's Website. 



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 23, 2016, 23:09:45

    The flippancy of your remarks suggests to me that you really do not understand the technical aspects of continuous welded rail. 


    Sorry Sir.

    Quote
    If you try and touch an object that has been exposed to the hour sun for a long time it is usually considerably hotter than the air around it.

    Er. yes. I think so.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on July 23, 2016, 23:16:14
    ...........I've just nipped out to the shed, there's a pot of white paint going spare if it'd help?  :)

    The flippancy of your remarks suggests to me that you really do not understand the technical aspects of continuous welded rail. 

    To stop the rails buckling the rails are put in tension most of the time.  The technical term is that they are de-stressed at a certain temperature. This means that for most of the time they are in tension and for part of the time they are in compression, but not high enough to cause a problem. If you try and touch an object that has been exposed to the hour sun for a long time it is usually considerably hotter than the air around it.  Thus the rail is considerably hotter than even to 30 odd degrees air temperature.

    Temperatures of 50 to 55 degrees Celsius are not uncommon (that is too hot to touch for very long without injury).  Painting the rails white has been found to reduce the temperature by between 5 and 10 degrees, so that could be the difference between a speed restriction and no speed restriction!

    Apart from the risk of derailment, once a track has buckled you are stuffed until you can get the temperature down sufficiently so that it can be properly de-stressed (in a hot summer period this could be days) after the repair.  So NR takes a cautious approach to avoid buckling.

    If the rails were to be stressed any more then the tension that would build up in the winter could lead to other problems so there has to be a compromise.  The only other ways  would be

    1) to re-tension the rails every spring and autumn which I would imaging would be prohibitively expensive and would require possessions to do it;
    2) Install slab track everywhere (hugely expensive and disruptive to install);
    3) Go back to short lengths with fishplate joints with expansion joints - (massive increase in maintenance costs and rail failure and probably speed reductions, also much more noise). 

    For further information see this (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/2016/jul/Network-Rail-keeps-railway-running-temperatures-soar/) from Network Rail's Website. 



    Continuous welded rail isn't even painted, so understanding the technicalities of continuous welded rail is completely irrelevant. It's only the point work and crossovers that are painted and mostly only in the GWR area - I've not seen this elsewhere. IIRC one of our friendly insiders mentioned the reason why the white paint is splashed about earlier in the thread.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 23, 2016, 23:40:07
    The nearer bits of mainland Europe have a climate broadly similar to ours, and the regions distant from the sea tend to be colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. Yet continental railways seem able to cope with normal summer weather without the frequent and widespread disruption that occurs in the UK.

    Hot weather DOES sometimes cause disruption in mainland Europe, but only in extreme or exceptional conditions. whereas here we get significant disruption virtually every summer.

    It seems a bit like the annual "leaves on the line" fiasco. I am not being flippant and I do have at least a basic understanding of the problem, but it does seem to be largely a UK problem.
    In say France or Germany, leaf fall has caused delays but only rarely and in exceptional conditions, here we seem to have significant problems every autumn.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 24, 2016, 07:26:07
    And that difference is what the majority don't understand, and hasn't, as far as I can see, bern explained yet in this thread?

    Anyone care to elucidate?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on July 24, 2016, 11:35:16
    any reason CWR can't be painted white on the sides.   I suspect it would be expensive to paint it in situ.  But my can't Tata steel supply it pre-painted?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 24, 2016, 13:18:41
    Its fairly commonplace in Australia to paint the rails white, especially between Sydney and Melbourne.  At the hottest times of the day air temperatures can reach into the 40's with high 30's for most of the year.  The same happens in Italy.  Typically a white painted rail is 5 to 10 degrees cooler.

    You tend to find point work that is exposed to direct sunlight will be painted white.  Pointwork and point blades are more susceptible to solar gain to the point where point detection can be lost.  This is why they'll tend not to change points where they can so you'll get Greenfords terminating in the West Ealing bay platform and no through trains run between Paddington and Bourne End and Twyford.  This maintains the use of the relief lines. 
    Long sections of continuous welded rail has expansion joints to allow for expansion.

    High speed lines abroad as well as heavily used freight lines may be constructed using slab track, around four times more expensive than what we use here.  I believe, HS1 is constructed using slab track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 24, 2016, 20:30:57
      I believe, HS1 is constructed using slab track.


    HS1 is balasted sleepers.  However HS1 does not have as many switches and crossings, its alignment is streighter. Also the density of traffic is less than most mainlies in the UK


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on July 25, 2016, 09:42:40
      I believe, HS1 is constructed using slab track.


    HS1 is balasted sleepers.  However HS1 does not have as many switches and crossings, its alignment is streighter. Also the density of traffic is less than most mainlies in the UK

    I believe that it is better / more heavily ballasted. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 25, 2016, 16:28:35
    The nearer bits of mainland Europe have a climate broadly similar to ours, and the regions distant from the sea tend to be colder in the winter and hotter in the summer. Yet continental railways seem able to cope with normal summer weather without the frequent and widespread disruption that occurs in the UK.

    Hot weather DOES sometimes cause disruption in mainland Europe, but only in extreme or exceptional conditions. whereas here we get significant disruption virtually every summer.

    It seems a bit like the annual "leaves on the line" fiasco. I am not being flippant and I do have at least a basic understanding of the problem, but it does seem to be largely a UK problem.
    In say France or Germany, leaf fall has caused delays but only rarely and in exceptional conditions, here we seem to have significant problems every autumn.

    And that difference is what the majority don't understand, and hasn't, as far as I can see, bern explained yet in this thread?

    Anyone care to elucidate?

    Not sure I can answer the question but I can certainly offer some opinions.

    Firstly, is continental Europe not so prone to such delays caused by hot/cold weather and leaf-fall?  I certainly wouldn't say I travel frequently by train in Europe, but I have been on the rail networks of twenty or so European countries over the years.  I've certainly experienced my fair share of delays and the odd cancellation on them. 

    We are much more exposed to stories about British rail delays as we are in Britain, but you don't have to delve too deeply on the internet to find some horrendous stories of individual delays in Europe, and those that hold the railways of Germany in high regard might like to reconsider that opinion when they find out that only 77% of long distance trains hit their punctuality target in the January just gone.  The following recent story makes interesting reading in that regard:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/11/why-german-trains-dont-run-on-time-any-more

    A lot is often made about it being quicker to travel in steam days between Liverpool and Manchester than it does today - you could easily say that sums up the state of Britain's railways with high speed services whizzing around Europe, but there are similar comparisons there too where Berlin to Dresden takes longer today than it did in 1939.

    It should be no surprise that colder countries such as Norway deal with cold weather better than we do, and warmer countries such as Spain and Greece deal with hotter conditions better.  The Swiss network in undeniably very reliable indeed - but to say its trains always run on time is quite wrong and its average speeds are comparably slow (partly due to the terrain). 

    Turning to the infrastructure - we still only have the one short section of dedicated high speed line compared with the many thousands of kilometres in Spain, Germany, France, and Italy and others.  Those railways are purpose built and have equipment such as cab signalling which is far less prone to failure.  Our railways are receiving a huge amount of investment currently, but that in itself raises challenges when incredible growth in usage clashes with upgrading of existing lines, and no extra capacity as the new trains to run on them are still being built.

    Regarding the internet, I remember Graham (I think) making a very valid point regarding delays when you compare the pre-internet days.  Then you would not necessarily realise that signalling problems at Southall were delaying trains by 20 minutes one lunchtime as you weren't travelling then so wouldn't have known.  Now with the websites keeping people informed of delays it's very easy to form the impression that there are constant delays, when in actual fact there aren't.

    Don't get me wrong, I find it very frustrating when the service often collapses at the first sign of hot weather, and the national punctuality levels are on a slow downward trend which is disappointing and worrying, but perhaps it's not correct to cite the rest of Europe as running a much better system, because things are not always as they seem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 25, 2016, 16:56:46
    I've been researching since my post quoted above, and I finding that European countries tense the rail for higher temperatures, thus they only have problems at seriously high temps - while not experiencing the low temps we often see here.

    So the extreme temperatures are wider apart here in the UK. Thus we ought to be doing this twice a year really, for autumn/winter temps & then again for summer temps. But that's money probably better spent elsewhere & putting up with disruption on the few days each year we get temps cloer to 30c


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on July 25, 2016, 17:07:53
    Last year I had a holiday in Switzerland when I travelled on 18 different trainsmost within Switzerland.
    I kept a careful record of the timings and found that 100% departed and arrived on time. However what I found different from British trains was that the timetables made very generous allowance s for possible delays with platform dwell times being usually several minutes instead of the 1-2 minutes allowed on most CL timetables. In addition the times allowed between stops were so generous that trains always arrived at the station several minutes before published arrival time so that total platform dwell times often exceeded 5 minutes and longer. It seemed to me that it was mjuch easier for trains to keep to time as a result of this than in Britain.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 25, 2016, 17:25:47
    Last year I had a holiday in Switzerland when I travelled on 18 different trainsmost within Switzerland.
    I kept a careful record of the timings and found that 100% departed and arrived on time. However what I found different from British trains was that the timetables made very generous allowance s for possible delays with platform dwell times being usually several minutes instead of the 1-2 minutes allowed on most CL timetables. In addition the times allowed between stops were so generous that trains always arrived at the station several minutes before published arrival time so that total platform dwell times often exceeded 5 minutes and longer. It seemed to me that it was mjuch easier for trains to keep to time as a result of this than in Britain.

    Yes but the platform re-occupation times and headways go to pot in the meantime...... ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on July 25, 2016, 17:55:17
    Not necessarily.  I travel Zurich – Chur several times a year and they run a pretty intensive timetable on this line: a mixture of fasts, slows and freights, including over the single line section by the Walensee.  As Andrew says, the slightly leisurely timetable ensures that trains depart stations on time which is good for pathing etc.   



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 25, 2016, 19:03:17
    Longer dwell times should be better for wheelchairists, heavy baggagers and so on, too, therefore meaning less variation from train to train according to there happening to be such passengers on each service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 26, 2016, 10:28:26
    Longer dwell times should be better for wheelchairists, heavy baggagers and so on, too, therefore meaning less variation from train to train according to there happening to be such passengers on each service.

    Pity the same logic can't be used with bus times in Cornwall


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 26, 2016, 12:19:14
    Last year I had a holiday in Switzerland when I travelled on 18 different trainsmost within Switzerland.
    I kept a careful record of the timings and found that 100% departed and arrived on time. However what I found different from British trains was that the timetables made very generous allowance s for possible delays with platform dwell times being usually several minutes ...

    We're in the "infrastructures delay" thread ... and I fear that more generous allowances would do little for the delays we've suffered in the last 10 days; looking at Swindon (just in the Thames Valley) to Chippenham, we've had signal failures (2 incidents), axle counter failure, points failure, overrunning engineering works, as well as services cancelled because of train failures.   Frustrating ... but the TransWilts community was asked in 2012 if we would prefer to wait for the electrification / upgrades to be complete before starting our trial service, with a warning that there would be some disruption early on if we (TOC, council, community) decided not to wait, and I stand by my personal view at the time - which turned out to be the majority one - that sooner was better than later and we can live with a few problems.   I have to say I feel the correct choice was made; the crowds on the trains (at least on our more local trains that I use) are accepting - a sort of 'honeymoon' period still as they realise just how much better the service now is, and an appreciation of the effort and skill put in by operational staff at these times to get them to destination.

    Where timings are being traded off between overall speed and reliability to timetable is in those little local delays which grow from slow station calls - more passengers leaving / joining than usual, passengers who are unable to hop on and off as quickly as most and perhaps need ramps to be deployed, last minute platform changes, trains that are so heaving that people are queueing on the platforms while they move up, single door operation with a crowd, short platforms, and slam doors that people who weren't regular travellers 30 years ago fail to appreciate the need to close.  As well as station calls, you may have these little delays caused by under performing traction, engineering slacks, too may carriages for the locomotives (2+9 anyone?).

    Travel time has become far more "useful time" than it used to be.  Books and papers have always been available to read (and at one time you could smoke on the train), but these days with modern electronics and communication people can listen to music, play games, work on their laptops, argue with or order (!) a lift  from  their partner who's at home via their phone too.

    So my view is that - within sensible limits - schedules shouldn't be the fastest that can be achieved, but practical ones where connections WILL make.  Train to bus as well as train to train, and if you need to buy an extra ticket at your interchange station and the timetable looks like there should be time,  it should be possible.   Better still - more frequent and regular interval trains even if a little slower rather than the occasional express eating up paths, with a long wait to the next train.  I was on the "Capitals Ltd" the other morning - none-stop Swindon to Paddington. And, yes, it wasn't full.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on July 26, 2016, 14:55:02
    Last year I had a holiday in Switzerland when I travelled on 18 different trainsmost within Switzerland.
    I kept a careful record of the timings and found that 100% departed and arrived on time. However what I found different from British trains was that the timetables made very generous allowance s for possible delays with platform dwell times being usually several minutes instead of the 1-2 minutes allowed on most CL timetables. In addition the times allowed between stops were so generous that trains always arrived at the station several minutes before published arrival time so that total platform dwell times often exceeded 5 minutes and longer. It seemed to me that it was mjuch easier for trains to keep to time as a result of this than in Britain.


    I have a vague recollection of reading about Swiss timetable padding.  I think it was added nationwide on the advice of psychologists who did some research and concluded that Swiss people minded relatively little about their trains being slow but what really stresses them out was when they were slower than expected.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on July 26, 2016, 16:21:42
    I have a vague recollection of reading about Swiss timetable padding.  I think it was added nationwide on the advice of psychologists who did some research and concluded that Swiss people minded relatively little about their trains being slow but what really stresses them out was when they were slower than expected.   

    Not just the Swiss, I feel exactly the same. When the trains are running slightly ahead and sit at a station for 5 minutes, it drives me nuts. I'd rather we'd carried on slower, and arrived on time  :P

    Likewise when a train is timetabled to arrive at 16:35 and is ALWAYS late due to freight. If they changed it to simply arrive at 16:40 like it does anyway, it wouldn't bother me one iota!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 14, 2016, 09:41:54
    Cancellations to services at Pangbourne
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time at Pangbourne all lines are disrupted.

    Train services running through this station will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 14:00 14/08.

    Customer Advice
    A rail replacement service will operate between Pangbourne and Tilehurst where passengers can alight for services towards Reading and London Paddington and also for services towards Didcot Parkway.


    ...........ongoing for several hours already. that's going to cost whoever the Contractor is a few £, smacked bottoms all round.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 14, 2016, 09:53:53
    Points have been damaged at Scours Lane, both relief lines closed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on August 14, 2016, 11:40:16
    That sounds like them being run through under a possession.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 14, 2016, 12:14:35
    Just noticed that the 1121 Didcot – Padd stopper was allowed to precede the 1125 Didcot – Bournemouth XC from Didcot on the UM.  The outcome was the stopper was waiting time at Tilehurst and the XC was 11 late arriving at Reading.

    I’m sure there was a good reason for this regulation – I can’t think what it could be but maybe someone has some suggestions….


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on August 14, 2016, 12:42:54
    Just noticed that the 1121 Didcot – Padd stopper was allowed to precede the 1125 Didcot – Bournemouth XC from Didcot on the UM.  The outcome was the stopper was waiting time at Tilehurst and the XC was 11 late arriving at Reading.

    I’m sure there was a good reason for this regulation – I can’t think what it could be but maybe someone has some suggestions….


    The XC was only 3 late leaving Reading, however, as it had a stop scheduled there that's longer than operationally needed.   Had the 11:21 been held back to (say) 11:28 at Didcot, the knock-on beyond Reading would have potentially been greater that the delay beyond Reading on the Cross Country service.

    I suggest there was no "right" decision to be made on the regulation of these two trains. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 14, 2016, 12:43:25
    That sounds like them being run through under a possession.

    Spot on


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 14, 2016, 13:16:01
    Just noticed that the 1121 Didcot – Padd stopper was allowed to precede the 1125 Didcot – Bournemouth XC from Didcot on the UM.  The outcome was the stopper was waiting time at Tilehurst and the XC was 11 late arriving at Reading.

    I’m sure there was a good reason for this regulation – I can’t think what it could be but maybe someone has some suggestions….


    The XC was only 3 late leaving Reading, however, as it had a stop scheduled there that's longer than operationally needed.   Had the 11:21 been held back to (say) 11:28 at Didcot, the knock-on beyond Reading would have potentially been greater that the delay beyond Reading on the Cross Country service.

    I suggest there was no "right" decision to be made on the regulation of these two trains. 

    Well… the stopper also has a long scheduled stop at Reading, from 1147 to 1154.  It didn’t do the Pangbourne stop, which probably saved 2 minutes (hence arriving early at Tilehurst). 

    If it had left Didcot at 1128 (ie 7 late) following the XC it should have got to Reading by 1152.  It could have departed on time at 1154, as could have the XC at 1151.

    Edit later:  Maybe being flippant, but if there had been a southbound Freightliner coming round Didcot East Curve at 1125 that would OF COURSE have been allowed to precede the stopper, notwithstanding any delays beyond Reading!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on August 14, 2016, 21:49:21
    Bournemouth XC from Didcot on the UM. 

    Side issue really, for my education. "UM" is obviously Up Main (at least I think it is!), and I can work out many of the line and path abbreviations used in RTT and elsewhere. But not all - is there a glossary? They are not all in the Acronyms/Abbreviations part of the form.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on August 15, 2016, 18:23:59
    I haven't seen any reference to this on other threads so I'll pop it here for the meantime.

    Can I just say what a wonderful commuting experience I've had over the past two weeks whilst the Oxford engineering works have been taking place. Trains have run on time, but most importantly they've been proper High Speed Train's (HST)'s serving the Thames Valley. Most notably the 18.18 6 carriage sweat-fest to Maidenhead was an High Speed Train (HST). Interestingly the 18.18 was still standing in the aisles, giving an idea of demand. Today we're back to the stinky sauna and my summer treat is over.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 23, 2016, 10:28:20
    Three days of temperatures expected to be at, or above, 30 degrees.  That always seems to be the point at which the UK railways struggle, so I'm expecting delays the later into the day(s) we get.  Let's hope I'm wrong this time!

    Turning out to be a very pleasant August...  8)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 23, 2016, 17:51:01
    For once not the infrastructure.. delays out of Paddington, particularly on the relief lines, after a turbo was hit by stone throwers between Southall and Hayes & Harlington and suffered a broken side window.  At one point five trains were stationary because of it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 24, 2016, 15:51:45
    16:45 London Paddington to Reading due 17:47 
    This train will be cancelled.
    This is due to a points failure.


    -Points failure not yet flagged on a Line Update however it's affecting loads of service with stops being missed out etc.........could be a fun rush hour in the heat (which may be responsible I guess?)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 24, 2016, 15:58:21
    Points failure is at Acton on the Up Relief.  Trains having to run on the Main and miss stops so they don't delay HST services and bring the whole show to a halt.

    EDIT: Now fixed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 24, 2016, 18:24:30
    Signalling problems just south of Oxford this lunchtime. No northbound services for about an hour with residual issues affecting the Cotswold Line through out the afternoon. And as a cherry on top, the 1552 PAD:MIM broke down and didn't (as far as I understood) get beyond Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 24, 2016, 21:49:09
    For once not the infrastructure.. delays out of Paddington, particularly on the relief lines, after a turbo was hit by stone throwers between Southall and Hayes & Harlington and suffered a broken side window.  At one point five trains were stationary because of it.

    Here's a report:

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/unbelievably-dangerous-stupid-thing-do-11793031

    Not been too bad the last couple of days, notwithstanding the incident above, there's been a few points failures and the odd train giving up in the heat leading to some delays and cancellations, but not the total service meltdown we've seen in previous years.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on August 28, 2016, 13:27:46
    Just noticed that the 1121 Didcot – Padd stopper was allowed to precede the 1125 Didcot – Bournemouth XC from Didcot on the UM.  The outcome was the stopper was waiting time at Tilehurst and the XC was 11 late arriving at Reading.

    I’m sure there was a good reason for this regulation – I can’t think what it could be but maybe someone has some suggestions….


    The XC was only 3 late leaving Reading, however, as it had a stop scheduled there that's longer than operationally needed.   Had the 11:21 been held back to (say) 11:28 at Didcot, the knock-on beyond Reading would have potentially been greater that the delay beyond Reading on the Cross Country service.

    I suggest there was no "right" decision to be made on the regulation of these two trains. 

    Well… the stopper also has a long scheduled stop at Reading, from 1147 to 1154.  It didn’t do the Pangbourne stop, which probably saved 2 minutes (hence arriving early at Tilehurst). 

    If it had left Didcot at 1128 (ie 7 late) following the XC it should have got to Reading by 1152.  It could have departed on time at 1154, as could have the XC at 1151.

    Edit later:  Maybe being flippant, but if there had been a southbound Freightliner coming round Didcot East Curve at 1125 that would OF COURSE have been allowed to precede the stopper, notwithstanding any delays beyond Reading!

    Sorry, couldn't really unpick all the quotes in the above, but the reasoning behind giving a theoretical Freightliner in front of the stopper is because the stoppers can accelerate better than the freight - so allowing the freight to have all greens (and thus not having to slow down for yellows and reds) will let the freight keep to time. A following stopper may be able to either make up the time, or at least maintain the same delay.

    Can't explain the stopper/xc decision though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 03, 2016, 08:03:31
    Well this is a new one - how many staff are affected? I wonder what's happened? Not too serious I hope?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington


    Due to signalling staff being taken ill between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:30 03/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 03, 2016, 08:06:13
    I would hope that it's more than one....very surprising, this. A first?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on September 03, 2016, 09:21:06
    Luckily there hasn't been an epidemic in TVSC. 

    The Acton workstation signaler's relief didn't turn up, the outgoing bobby worked over his time as there was no one else available to run the station, so it had to be shut down.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 03, 2016, 09:56:05
    One guy fails to show up for work - and this is the result? Dozens of trains cancelled and severely disrupted as far afield as Cornwall and Wales.

    Is there no contingency plan?  ::)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 03, 2016, 10:50:05
    Closed for just over an hour in the end, though the ramifications will be felt for hours.  Certainly not a first, but the first time I can remember it happening at the TVSC at Didcot.  Very surprised adequate 'spare' staff weren't available as I thought that was one of the great advantages of these new signalling centres over traditional boxes scattered far and wide?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 03, 2016, 13:28:51
    Noting just how long it takes for the repercussions to finish; astonished that there wasn't robustness to cover what was apparently one person not being available in a major signalling centre.

    Quote
    13:19 Newquay to London Paddington due 18:21
    This train will be cancelled.
    This is due to signalling staff being taken ill earlier on this train's journey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on September 03, 2016, 14:20:00
    This is purely supposition on my part, but how about this - the person that they would normally have used to cover this sort of occurrence was on leave, or covering another position? Don't forget, it is still "holiday season", and signallers are allowed to go on holiday.

    Of course, you could ramp up the staffing levels to ensure that there will always be cover under every circumstance, but ensuring that the competence levels were kept up to standard would be a nightmare, and there would be an outcry over signallers being paid to sit around "just in case".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 03, 2016, 19:07:30
    This is purely supposition on my part, but how about this - the person that they would normally have used to cover this sort of occurrence was on leave, or covering another position? Don't forget, it is still "holiday season", and signallers are allowed to go on holiday.

    Of course, you could ramp up the staffing levels to ensure that there will always be cover under every circumstance, but ensuring that the competence levels were kept up to standard would be a nightmare, and there would be an outcry over signallers being paid to sit around "just in case".

    If you are responsible for a business critical function, and you are any sort of manager, then you ensure that this function is covered, for all contingencies, and you factor annual leave, "holiday seasons" sickness etc into that calculation. To even attempt to use this as an excuse is frankly pathetic.

    I am sure that the amount of compensation which will have to be paid out today far outweighs any additional callout allowance, to say nothing of the inconvenience caused to thousands of customers. To have a situation where the failure of one person to arrive at work paralyses an entire area for hours due to a lack of a robust contingency plan is simple incompetence.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 03, 2016, 19:12:01
    Agree with TG.  I'm sure there will be some serious questions asked of NR by the train operators as a result of this - even if it was 'only' for just over an hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 03, 2016, 19:48:57
    Yes, they really should have better plans than this.
    Simply unacceptable for single employee falling sick to have such consequences.
     Spare staff suitably trained should be available for critical roles like this. I see no problem in maintaining competency since it would seem a simple matter to rotate the "working" and the "spare" signaller at frequent intervals.

    The cost should be less than the cost of all the delays, especially if some other productive but not time critical work could be found for the spare signaller.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 03, 2016, 21:28:17
    It's a pedantic point but 'being taken ill' sounds much more alarming and, crucially in my view, sounds like the illness developed 'on the job'. It sounds like a more accurate description would be 'absent due to illness'??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 03, 2016, 21:36:03
    In fact it could be a whole variety of reasons. Signaller's car could have broken down, he could have been involved in an accident or even, due to a rostering error, not actually exist.

    I remember a case when a West Country signaller was phoned on his mobile to be asked why he hadn't shown up and his reply was "I'm on leave, it's 3am and I'm in Texas!"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 04, 2016, 12:26:50
    Spare staff suitably trained should be available for critical roles like this. I see no problem in maintaining competency since it would seem a simple matter to rotate the "working" and the "spare" signaller at frequent intervals.


    It sounds to me in this incident the signaller going off shift reached his legal permitted hours, in addition if he / she runs substantially over the end of their shift there is also the minimum hours break between shifts which can have knock effect to the following day because they need to 12 hours between shifts.  This is made even more complex if the signaller was moved to Didcot under transfer and redundancy terms as they will have travelling time built into the conditions of transfer. Like all business there is a balance of cost against risk, would be great to have a 125% manning levels with standby staff sitting in the mess room ready for action, the travelling public just cannot afford this level of staff.


    However there is a critical shortage of skilled staff in many rolls on the railways especially within NR because of the imposed pay restraint by HMG, which makes recruitment and retention difficult especially as these rolls are shift work and in an area of the UK where there is not a high level of unemployment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Billhere on September 04, 2016, 16:35:19
    Spare staff are available, but they have meal relief duties during their twelve hour shift and it could well be they were involved with one of those and could not step over quickly.

    Each desk in TVSC is of a different grade, the busier it is the higher the grade, the longer the training, and a higher salary to boot. Padd is of the top grade which reflects the busy position it is. Not everybody is passed out to work it.

    I can't say what happened, but I endorse Electric trains comment that Signallers are in short supply. In fact there is one man still at TVSC who has a job elsewhere who has been waiting to be released for several months now but he cannot be done without so can't go.

    Very much the same all over the country. In the recent closures at Banbury the staff there were being asked to go elsewhere to fill in the holes that exist at other boxes, but seven took the money and left the company.

    However that doesn't forgive the situation that occurred.

     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 04, 2016, 16:48:56
    Talking last weekend to one who did take the money & retire, he's heard from some who did transfer from a Banbury box to a West Mids screen & they hate it - just not the same job at all, which I can fully understand.

    Apparently, there's not a window to be seen in the West Mids signalling centre, while you couldn't have more windows in the Banbury boxes if you'd wanted them!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 04, 2016, 16:55:58
    No indeed, it's a completely different type of job.  Some might well get used to it after a time, but I expect most would take up the chance to swap back in a heartbeat.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Billhere on September 04, 2016, 21:11:06
    West Midlands Signalling Centre is known as the Bunker as it was built to withstand a nuclear attack if you believe the rumours, TVSC is known as the Stalag, horrible places to go and so far away from the traditional role where, even in an NX panel, the Signaller actually had some input into what was going on.

    ARS was described to me as being like a very small child, it had to be watched all the time to try and stop it doing something stupid. The only ones who don't seem to mind are new entrants and they know no different. It certainly takes the initiative away from the operator.

    At least one Signaller has quit TVSC to go back to more traditional style of operation, and another is waiting to go.

    Off the subject I know but it does have a bearing on the manpower available.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 04, 2016, 21:59:49
    Quote
    ARS was described to me as being like a very small child, it had to be watched all the time to try and stop it doing something stupid. .... It certainly takes the initiative away from the operator.

    Talking of this, I do wish more manual control was taken in certain situations. eg: During lunchtime the two northbound XC services at Reading use P12 instead of P3/P7 for some reason (not sure why, there isn't really any need, but it does, and when running smoothly it's fine) except a couple of weeks ago there was (yet another) signalling failure at Basingstoke delaying services by a few minutes, meaning both the 12:15 and 12:45 were arriving approximately 5 minutes after departure time, both could have been routed into P3/P7 like any other given hour but no, they were still routed into P12 therefore delaying the 12:23/12:53 Oxford stoppers by up to 10 minutes. Another example a few weeks ago of a class 800 training run to Reading and back suppose to be reversing in P10, but due to delays to Paddington bound services this platform was full but they just held the 800 outside the station blocking P7/P8/P9 forcing fast Bristol/Oxford trains onto the down relief and P12, which of course blocked the up main even more. After about 15 minutes they decided to finally route the 800 into P9, which they should have just done from the beginning.

    I would love to be a (traditional) signaller, but by the sounds of it its not as fun as it used to be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Billhere on September 05, 2016, 00:52:01
    The workload rate is high at some locations and actually requires ARS to help out, the idea being that it frees up the Signaller to deal with other matters.

    Get involved with something else and the ARS will route the train as per the programme and a more obvious move gets overlooked.

    For some of the reasons mentioned by  Electric train staff are difficult to come by, the natural progression from smaller boxes is quickly disappearing, and in some cases existing Signallers don't want to work in these places so won't apply for any vacancies and would rather sit down the ladder a bit but in more agreeable surroundings.

    Staff are now recruited from 'off the street' into quite busy positions lacking the skills and railway knowledge to make the job go well. They may well be proficient and rules trained, and deemed competent but the Signallers art comes in when it starts going wrong and I am afraid that lack of knowledge shows sometimes.

    There is a well known 'overlap trap' at the West end of Newbury Station where, if you let a train down one signal too far the safety features stop the job for two minutes by locking up the routes and signals. All perfectly safe, and doing what it is supposed to, but the inexperience shows when it happens, normally at about 1700 hrs in the evening as I used to see day after day. It was there when I worked Reading Panel years ago, it hasn't changed, and you can tell when the less experienced are on duty because all of a sudden everything stops. The B and H was a bore to work as an NX panel where everything had to be route set, just because it wasn't that busy. Now it is an operator looking at a screen with the ARS running the show. It must be mind destroying. The Crossing Keepers at Colthrop and Kintbury are far, far busier overall, but don't get paid for it!



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 05, 2016, 12:59:00
    What is an NX panel? Presumably not National Express! And no, it's not in the acronyms list.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on September 05, 2016, 13:44:14
    What is an NX panel? Presumably not National Express! And no, it's not in the acronyms list.
    Entrance-Exit.  On the signaller's illuminated diagram of the railway, there's a button next to each signal.  He presses the button at one signal, then the button at the next signal, and the route between them sets if it's safe to do so.  The points in the route then swing to the direction required; once they've all moved to the correct position, and all the track sections between the two signals are clear of trains, (and a bit more besides - called the overlap), and lots of other checks-n-tests, then the signal at the entrance of the route can change from red to a "proceed" aspect - yellow, double-yellow, or green.

    Other kinds of signaller's panel exist - e.g. Turn-push, OCS (One Control Switch).  But they all tend to get called "NX", just like all vacuum cleaners get called Hoovers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 06, 2016, 14:33:58
    Thanks. Very clear explanation!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 07, 2016, 07:48:16
    Agree about the clarity of that - can we have the explanation in the list of acronyms as well?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Billhere on September 07, 2016, 09:29:58
    Sorry for the jargon, it comes naturally after a while, even if it doesn't apply anymore.

    Three weeks into retirement, and never given it a thought. My replacement who was due to start today bailed out yesterday morning, so the few that remain will be working extra hours to provide the cover required to keep the job going.

    If you might be looking for a little job that pays reasonable well, lovely location, decent public to deal with then keep an eye on the vacancy list for NR. Downside 24/7 cover on rotating eight hour shifts including a week of nights every five weeks, and two Sundays in five.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on September 08, 2016, 09:19:53
    From Journeycheck:

    Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:30 08/09.
    Last Updated:08/09/2016 09:04


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 08, 2016, 10:23:45
    There were pretty bad delays leaving Paddington yesterday evening due to signalling problems.
    Not a good 'back to school' time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on September 08, 2016, 10:58:39
    It seemed to be a combination of things, starting with the fatality at Tilehurst earlier in the day and then being compounded by points issues. I was on 1C23 (17:00 to Bristol Temple Meads) which left P9 on time, stopped at Westbourne Grove, the driver changed ends, brought it back into the bay, changed ends again and then eventually left on a different path. Mind you, I had to smile at the legion of people who leapt off to seek other services when we returned to PAD: we were definitely first back out and there were then seats to spare!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 08, 2016, 11:25:45
    From Journeycheck:

    Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:30 08/09.
    Last Updated:08/09/2016 09:04

    Causing delays of around 20 minutes. Some fast trains being sent on the relief lines as far as Dolphin Junction or Slough West to try to avoid being talked past a signal on the down main. Therefore delaying a few London bound services as they cross back and forth.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 08, 2016, 12:54:11
    Quote
    which left P9 on time, stopped at Westbourne Grove

    ??? Would that be Westbourne Park or Ladbroke Grove?

    Or how about Ladbroke Park  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 08, 2016, 13:23:10
    Perhaps it was occupying two track circuits...  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on September 08, 2016, 13:38:58

    ??? Would that be Westbourne Park or Ladbroke Grove?

    Or how about Ladbroke Park  ;)

    See what the commuting is doing to my brain?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 08, 2016, 17:27:44
    ...........and as if this afternoon's suicide (assumption) at Southall wasn't enough...........

    Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 09/09.

    ...........all in all not a great day, thoughts with all concerned/involved/delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on September 08, 2016, 19:02:10
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/paddington-delays-commuters-face-mayhem-at-busy-london-station-after-fatality-at-southall-a3340501.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/paddington-delays-commuters-face-mayhem-at-busy-london-station-after-fatality-at-southall-a3340501.html)

    Quote
    Commuters at Paddington station face rush-hour chaos tonight after several trains were cancelled because of a fatality on the tracks in west London.

    Passengers told of “utter mayhem” at the busy London station with tempers reportedly fraying on overcrowded platforms as people battle to get home.

    Pictures of information boards show a number of trains have been delayed after a person was struck by a train at Southall station just after 2pm.

    Rail operator Great Western Railway warned services had been cancelled or delayed by up to an hour as a result.

    Some people took to social media to warn others to avoid the station as hundreds of passengers crammed to get onto trains.

    One man told the Standard it was “every man for himself”.

    Paul Johnson tweeted: “This is bloody dangerous on the Taunton to Paddington train. Never seen so many people on a train. Even India doesn't have this.”

    Cal Roscow added: “Avoid Paddington at all costs. Stuck and can't even get to the train.

    While another user wrote: “Delays from Paddington due to fatality. Top end of the station closed due to overcrowding. People getting angry with staff, not their fault.”

    Another posted: “Train travel - utter mayhem at # #Paddington.”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 08, 2016, 20:57:17
    Quote
    Paul Johnson tweeted: “This is bloody dangerous on the Taunton to Paddington train. Never seen so many people on a train. Even India doesn't have this.”

    What there were people hanging on the outside of the train and on the roof? 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 08, 2016, 22:44:30
    Obviously I'm sad that someone felt the need to kill themselves this afternoon. I'm going to go back to an age old problem on this forum which is that people try hard but the response from gwr from a passenger perspective is lacking.

    So here I am at Paddington waiting for a train that was apparently on time but ended up being 35 mins late. My gripe is that there were no/none/zero/nada/not one staff on the platform. 35mins I sat there and there was no one. Not least in the 'help points'

    n.
     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 08, 2016, 22:54:15
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    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 08, 2016, 22:55:21
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    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 08, 2016, 23:37:41
    Ps. The 'use position opposite' when you know that it is closed isn't a great move.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 09, 2016, 07:11:03
    Whilst the majority of "person ht by train" are indeed suicides, can I please remind members that there are a number of other possibilities we have come across over the years, and sadly we may see others in the future.

    My thoughts with the friends, family and colleagues of the deceased and also with the rail and other professional staff who have to deal with the situation, including the operational staff who have to look after / inform the public.  Yes - my thoughts are also with the members of the public effected by the resultant disruption.

    Just because I / we are busy thinking of those deeply involved doesn't mean that serious consideration shouldn't be being given (not isn't given) to lessening the impact.   

    First and foremost, the effect of such incidents should be reduced as much as practical by reducing the number of such incidents.  There's a huge amount of work been and being done on that - not always in the public domain as placing it there, regrettably, means it gives people ideas.

    In terms of informing customers, there are limited number of customer facing staff on duty when incidents happen, and they can be considered in the same 'pool' of Network Rail / GWR employees who's job it is to 'sit upstairs' and feed information through to the people on the ground, and also to arrange alternative routes / make suggestions / arrange ticket acceptances.  The nature of it is that more people are needed on the concourse (dramatically more) if a personal staff presence is to be maintained, just at the same time that dramatically more staff are needed to make all the arrangements and get a modified show running, and the regular show back on the road as soon as possible.

    Whether it's "person hit by train" or something else (and, goodness, there are also far too many 'something else's),  there will be blimps in information feed. They shouldn't happen, they're high profile - but there will be such blips and it's very wasteful to have extra resources sitting around, like vultures, waiting for such an incident.  Best learn from the incidents (and they do, but perhaps could learn more?) but best by far in parallel to reduce the incidents as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on September 09, 2016, 09:11:05
      there will be blimps in information feed.
    Blimps indeed!.
    The 18.18 was shewn as delayed, then cancelled and then it was back on again, leaving 20 mins late. ???

    Meanwhile, the signal problem looks like it's going into its third day (delays expected until 09.00 10/09, per gwr.com !
    W.E


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 09, 2016, 09:30:55
      there will be blimps in information feed.
    Blimps indeed!.
    The 18.18 was shewn as delayed, then cancelled and then it was back on again, leaving 20 mins late. ???

    Meanwhile, the signal problem looks like it's going into its third day (delays expected until 09.00 10/09, per gwr.com !
    W.E

    That looks authentically like what happens when a group of people are trying to sort out the best solution in a difficult situation and are exploring different options.  They think of one idea then they find a better one.  OK for one train it looks like confusion, but in the overall pattern of provision it looks like they were trying to do the best they could in very difficult circumstances.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 09, 2016, 10:11:22
    Thanks to the Guard on the 1243 BTH to PAD which I was on yesterday.

    We stopped (very quickly, but without emergency braking) just outside Hayes and Harlsden and then 10 minutes later pulled into the platform and waited more than an hour before passing though the next station, Southhall where the fatality had occurred.  We were on the Up Main line and from the hi-vis on the platform and the Turbo abandoned outside Southall (I avoided looking too closely) it looked as if the incident was on the Up Reflief, so I guess we got off lightly in terms of delays.

    The Guard was very good and kept us informed well even when he didn't know much himself.  He got the balance between apologies, information and explanation just right and handled the issue of it being "a fatality" (which are the words he used) very well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2016, 15:20:32
    In terms of informing customers, there are limited number of customer facing staff on duty when incidents happen, and they can be considered in the same 'pool' of Network Rail / GWR employees who's job it is to 'sit upstairs' and feed information through to the people on the ground, and also to arrange alternative routes / make suggestions / arrange ticket acceptances.  The nature of it is that more people are needed on the concourse (dramatically more) if a personal staff presence is to be maintained, just at the same time that dramatically more staff are needed to make all the arrangements and get a modified show running, and the regular show back on the road as soon as possible.

    Whether it's "person hit by train" or something else (and, goodness, there are also far too many 'something else's),  there will be blimps in information feed. They shouldn't happen, they're high profile - but there will be such blips and it's very wasteful to have extra resources sitting around, like vultures, waiting for such an incident.  Best learn from the incidents (and they do, but perhaps could learn more?) but best by far in parallel to reduce the incidents as well.

    NickB - I hope you got home OK in the end, and it's a shame to note that despite the new branding and all the improved pride in serving customers etc that (allegedly) goes with it, it's the same old story when it comes to severe disruption - the one thing that customers really need, ie face to face help, advice and information, is sadly lacking.

    Excuses can of course always be found/made, but this is sadly one lesson that has never been learned in my experience, for as long as I have been using the railway on the LTV route especially.

    Taking a leaf out of BA's book when it comes to customer communications would do First/GWR no harm at all.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2016, 15:25:28
    Whether it's "person hit by train" or something else (and, goodness, there are also far too many 'something else's),  it's the same old story when it comes to severe disruption - the one thing that customers really need, ie face to face help, advice and information, is sadly lacking.


    One question - where do you find all these extra staff you suddenly need/want? In like 10 minutes notice?

    Answer that realistically, and you may answer your own gripe.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 09, 2016, 15:27:48

    Taking a leaf out of BA's book when it comes to customer communications would do First/GWR no harm at all.

    I was with you until that bit, but have to say BA are MUCH superior to BA in that respect.  BA hold their customers and their staff in contempt (unless you have a gold card).  FGW may at times be disorganised and incompetent, but they do not some close to BA in truly terrible customer service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2016, 15:49:20
    Whether it's "person hit by train" or something else (and, goodness, there are also far too many 'something else's),  it's the same old story when it comes to severe disruption - the one thing that customers really need, ie face to face help, advice and information, is sadly lacking.


    One question - where do you find all these extra staff you suddenly need/want? In like 10 minutes notice?

    Answer that realistically, and you may answer your own gripe.

    .............the traditional response/rhetoric "what would you do about it then"........not overly helpful.

    The fact that a customer's observation is considered a "gripe" speaks volumes.

    It's rather futile having "Help points", customer ambassadors etc if when they are really needed, they simply aren't there, as per Nick B's observation. Surely they should be kept separate from those who "sit upstairs" - is there no distinction in GWR world between Operational and Customer Service staff?  It's not a case of flooding an area with hundreds of people, just ensuring that there are a level of people around who are capable of giving accurate advice and information on alternative forms of transport etc. If GWR are so keen on learning lessons, they have had enough practice by now in dealing with severe disruption to have a handle on the level of staffing required in these circumstances and resource it accordingly, not leave people with no help whatsoever.

    Some joined up thinking wouldn't hurt either - why not get TfL on board and get them to make announcements on the Tube about severe disruption at mainline stations? For example if this was done on the Bakerloo Line people could use services from Waterloo or Marylebone, rather than emerging into Paddington to find the usual chaos whenever there are problems and having to hang around for ages and/or turn around and go back again?

    Time after time the railways are found wanting when it comes to contingency planning, whether it's one, solitary signaller failing to turn up for work last weekend which caused dozens of cancellations/alterations across the network, Bank Holidays/Christmas/Easter when we have the regular spectacle of chaotic and dangerous overcrowding, failure to plan for major sporting events, failure to ensure that enough staff are available on a Sunday to run the advertised service................it's just an endless charade.

    The railway industry just collectively shrugs it shoulders and hopes for the best (and takes the money!)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 09, 2016, 16:07:32
    The railway industry just collectively shrugs it shoulders and hopes for the best (and takes the money!)

    That's the point really, if you want lots of extra staff then some one has to pay for it. People can rant about large profits of train operating companies but they are very small percentage margins. So in truth if there are to be more staff its either going to be paid by the Government (through reduced premiums paid to DfT) or higher fares. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 09, 2016, 17:00:14
    Quote
    but have to say BA are MUCH superior to BA in that respect.
    Who of course are far LESS superior than BA  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2016, 17:09:38
    I'll ask again - Paddington being a Network Rail station - where are these people going to be employed when there's no disruption such that they are ready, at a drop of the hat (next fatality for example) to come bounding out on to the concourse with immediate answers?

    Give it some thought, and you'll understand their problem.

    Yes, it would be possible for TfL to make announcements, but wouldn't they exprect the same of NR Paddington for them to do the same when the Bakerloo (plus the other lines there) is borked? So several more personnel required.

    Anything's possible if you'll pay a high enough fare to produce the cash to pay for these staff!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 09, 2016, 17:10:24
    The railway industry just collectively shrugs it shoulders and hopes for the best (and takes the money!)

    That's the point really, if you want lots of extra staff then some one has to pay for it. People can rant about large profits of train operating companies but they are very small percentage margins. So in truth if there are to be more staff its either going to be paid by the Government (through reduced premiums paid to DfT) or higher fares. 

    ...or better efficiencies.  How much money is wasted on constant rebranding, putting together franchise bids, inefficient procurement, delay attribution, internal compensation, trying to do engineering jobs with unrealistic timescales and not a clue about the baseline state of the assets, ordering electric trains before the wires needed for them to run are up, booking possessions and not using them, going for grandiose and overambitious resignalling schemes ("digital railway") that will never work as well as promised, gold plating every job so that erecting a bus shelter on a railway platform costs many times one on a pavement, ordering DMUs that are much more heavy (and therefore use more fuel and cause more track wear than their predecessors),  ordering trains that are too short and therefore have to run more frequently with increased staffing and pathing costs... etc etc.

    You have to be running an industry spectacularly badly to fail to gain any efficiencies in productivity during a two decade period of customer growth and technological advances during which an unprecedented level of private sector investment and public money has been available.  But that is precisely what the UK passenger railway has managed to achieve.  Moving a single passenger a single mile is still more or less the same cost as it was under (supposedly inefficient) BR whilst at the same time the rail freight industry has managed to halve the costs of moving a tonne of goods a mile, and great advances in cost efficiencies have been achieved in the airline industry and in the costs of motoring.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 09, 2016, 17:18:05
    I'll ask again - Paddington being a Network Rail station - where are these people going to be employed when there's no disruption such that they are ready, at a drop of the hat (next fatality for example) to come bounding out on to the concourse with immediate answers?

    Give it some thought, and you'll understand their problem.

    Yes, it would be possible for TfL to make announcements, but wouldn't they exprect the same of NR Paddington for them to do the same when the Bakerloo (plus the other lines there) is borked? So several more personnel required.

    Anything's possible if you'll pay a high enough fare to produce the cash to pay for these staff!

    It would be unreasonable to have staff on standby at an out of a way halt, but Paddington is FGW's busiest station and it sees Millions of people (spending Billions of pounds) pass through it every year.  Having someone able to deal with better passenger information at Paddington is not an unreasonable or unaffordable ask. And when there is no disruption they can be dealing with delay attribution, customer compensation claims and a million of other jobs that the modern railway demands but which can be put on hold for an few hours. 

    And yes, FGW staff should make announcements about tube line disruption (as a few of the better Guards do at the moment)   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2016, 17:24:00
     Moving a single passenger a single mile is still more or less the same cost as it was under (supposedly inefficient) BR

    With the number of year's that have passed, for the costs not to have risen (at least in line with inflation) can only be efficiencies, surely? What else keeps the cost down to 20+} years ago?

    NR run Paddington, Tim, not GWR (or even FGW that died over a year ago). So what do NR staff do in the meantime that can be dropped at a hat drop? NR don't have an admin office there as far as I know


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 09, 2016, 17:59:34
    My thoughts with the friends, family and colleagues of the deceased and also with the rail and other professional staff who have to deal with the situation, including the operational staff who have to look after / inform the public. 

    Indeed Graham.  Very sad and traumatic for the driver who has now had three such incidents in less than two years.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Billhere on September 09, 2016, 23:46:07
    Delay attribution requires a presence in the Control Offices at Swindon, passenger compensation is dealt with somewhere in Scotland, I think it might be Aberdeen, so neither are a lot of use in the situation you describe.

    The Delay Clerks are one or two to cover the whole of the Western Zone so not a lot of resources available as you describe, but also when they get back later they have to pick up their work load. Believe it or not is requires relatively real time to keep on top of the delay attribution system. I have seen them at work and when you look at their screens and there are over a hundred delays waiting attribution you realize what a hiding to nothing they are on. Standing on a platform being shouted at by irate passengers must be quite relaxing by comparison.

    Perhaps try writing in and asking for a visit to the Control at Swindon and go and see those who actually make the decisions on what runs or not in these circumstances. Years ago I borrowed the idea from the Ops Manager at Waterloo and invited the biggest complainer in the Thames Valley in to work a late turn with us. He did, and never complained again.

    It is very easy to say "get some people in", but where from if they can't get to Padd because the line is closed.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 10, 2016, 00:40:22
    I've worked in Business Continuity and Disaster Recovery for some years. Not for a train company but I have learnt is that there's always a few core features that apply to most companies and detail and commitment varies wildly even within the same sector.

    Top of the list is always staff (and customer) safety. Beyond that it often comes down to identifying your core business and the impact of any loss of service. For most companies this is lost revenue in one form or another for others reputational loss. I have no concerns about safety but beyond that I don't get a sense of a company trying very hard. I'm guessing (and feel free to chip in) that lost revenue generally isn't an issue due the way railways are funded and the whole Network Rail/TOC thing. Reputational loss? Can it get much worse or would it improve with a change of approach?

    I don't know the details of staffing etc but small things like the website often not being updated outside office hours are frustrating. In other companies that's been addressed by on call rotas and remote access. Agreed communication channels such as someone mentioned earlier with London Transport. If you really want to make the effort then lists of staff who don't mind being called, their locations and some taxi firms. I've had a few incidents travelling on Virgin and they've taken a very different approach (or maybe I was lucky).

    I think most people accept incidents happen and would settle for regular and reliable flow of information. Several incidents ago staff were being sent to Ealing Broadway even though there were no trains. This shouldn't happen and I'd be curious to know if there's a separate communication process that kicks in for major incidents? Don't issue comms without an Operations Manager reviewing it who has the right hooks into Network Rail? Is the a Gold/Silver commander that takes control during an incident or do they rely on Business As Usual process?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 10, 2016, 09:29:56
     Moving a single passenger a single mile is still more or less the same cost as it was under (supposedly inefficient) BR

    With the number of year's that have passed, for the costs not to have risen (at least in line with inflation) can only be efficiencies, surely? What else keeps the cost down to 20+} years ago?

    NR run Paddington, Tim, not GWR (or even First Great Western (FGW) that died over a year ago). So what do Network Rail (NR) staff do in the meantime that can be dropped at a hat drop? NR don't have an admin office there as far as I know

    At all (Gatwick I think is the exception) major stations NR manage the station, NR act as the facilities manager.  NR have very little to do with customer (ie passenger) fronting although they do have a presence on the station most of their role is to do with security and safety but will assist passangers.

    When an incident happens information can and often is very limited from the incident sharp end, because the guys and girls dealing with it are doing just that trying to resolve the issue as quickly as possible and plan ways to recover from it.   Where a person is struck by a train it becomes a crime scene and for the safety of the blue light services and possibly to allow for evidence gathering all trains are stopped in the area.  It is not until the Police release the site can NR and the TOCs begin to run trains.   

    The RIO (Rail Incident Officer) will be liaising with the Police Incident Commander and or Fire , Ambulance incident command.  There is a structured command to incidents ranging from Bronze, Silver to Gold.  The RIO sits in this command team and communicates to the wider Railway Ops their updates can be limited due to the constant changing environment of and incident. 

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 10, 2016, 10:11:28
    Of course the outsourcing of customer services to India does not help !
    Apart from the language barrier, it seems that the staff concerned have no real knowledge of UK railway practice. I suspect that they have an electronic version of the timetable, a list of standard excuses and not much else.
    I recall a classic confusion between THORNTON HEATH a district in London, and TAUNTON HEATH , no such place AFAIK. The customer requiring the district in London had been advised to get a train to Taunton and then a bus !

    Any enquiry about a particular train is generally met with either "you have just missed it, it was on time" or "it will be there soon"

    Members may recall the case of the young family stranded at Berney arms, who eventually had to be rescued by boat, as an example of the uselessness of the overseas call center.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 10, 2016, 10:14:36
    If my experiences calling GWR in recent weeks is anything to go by the calls are being answered in this country again.  Certainly when I have phoned up to make a sleeper berth booking they have been.  Admittedly on the first occasion the lady on the other end had a bit of a battle with the technology because it was "all a bit new" but we got there in the end.   ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on September 10, 2016, 16:15:47
    At all (Gatwick I think is the exception) major stations NR manage the station, NR act as the facilities manager.  NR have very little to do with customer (ie passenger) fronting although they do have a presence on the station most of their role is to do with security and safety but will assist passangers.

    NR at Paddington manage CIS and announcements. For CIS and announcements at Reading and Bristol Temple Meads (the other NR managed stations on the route) it is managed by GWR.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 10, 2016, 20:44:11
    I fear that I have set the cat amongst the pigeons here somewhat with my original 'gripe'.
    Whilst I take on board the comments about 'extra' staff having to be paid for and logistics arranged my comments were related to my expectations of staffing levels at the GWR help points during a night of protracted disruption that had started 6hrs before I was at Paddington. It is still my expectation that GWR should be providing at least one staff member at its major terminus whilst delays are still occurring. If those delays last until midnight then there should be a staff member there, assisting passengers, until those delays have ceased. That is my expectation as a customer and I struggle to think of another company that would view that as unreasonable.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: The Tall Controller on September 10, 2016, 21:02:24
    If my experiences calling GWR in recent weeks is anything to go by the calls are being answered in this country again.  Certainly when I have phoned up to make a sleeper berth booking they have been.  Admittedly on the first occasion the lady on the other end had a bit of a battle with the technology because it was "all a bit new" but we got there in the end.   ;D

    GWR call centre is now a UK based company as you've recently found out. No more calls to India, no language or understanding barriers e.t.c  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 10, 2016, 21:37:17
    GWR call centre is now a UK based company as you've recently found out. No more calls to India, no language or understanding barriers e.t.c  :)
    That's good news.

    It's interesting to note how many UK based companies are now waking up to the fact that it's better for their customers to have UK based call centres once again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 14, 2016, 08:27:12
    Signalling failure on North Downs Line (no trains Reading to Guildford today?) split off from this thread - see

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17456.msg200909#msg200909


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 14, 2016, 09:20:08
    GWR call centre is now a UK based company as you've recently found out. No more calls to India, no language or understanding barriers e.t.c  :)
    That's good news.

    It's interesting to note how many UK based companies are now waking up to the fact that it's better for their customers to have UK based call centres once again.

    Call me cynical but isn't it that the internet has made call centres smaller and less expensive to run.  For example, I don't imagine it matters very much to the bottom line if the NRE call centre is based in the UK or India because the number of calls must now be tiny.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 14, 2016, 16:51:34
    Call me cynical but isn't it that the internet has made call centres smaller and less expensive to run.  For example, I don't imagine it matters very much to the bottom line if the NRE call centre is based in the UK or India because the number of calls must now be tiny.   
    Good point and probably true in many cases now. Won't stop some companies trumpeting the fact that they are bringing call centres back to the UK to improve customer service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 14, 2016, 18:48:48
    I answer calls on behalf of six different organisations and each one has their own number - local to their part of the country.   Costs me £2 a month each as internet lines (Voip) - would have been far too expensive going back a few years to have exchange lines like that.  The phone even tells me the name of the organisation they are calling.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2016, 20:46:56
    Agree about the clarity of that - can we have the explanation in the list of acronyms as well?

    Now done.  CfN.  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 15, 2016, 22:33:23
    Well, that's three days of hot weather and the infrastructure has held up pretty well with no major disruption- this year certainly hasn't seen the service completely collapsing as the thermometer breaks 30 like it has in previous years.

    With the return to more seasonal temperatures tomorrow, at least we can get back to what we do well this time of the year - blaming leaves for delays.   ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on September 15, 2016, 22:52:08
    Ah, but help is at hand. Maybe...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37356162 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37356162)

    Quote

    A UK company has created a new type of treatment to remove the residue of leaves from railway lines.

    Mark Hester is co-founder of the Imagination Factory who have made the new technique. He told Radio 4's PM programme that new microwave technology could create a more efficient way to prevent trains from being cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 16, 2016, 07:46:51
    Well, that's three days of hot weather and the infrastructure has held up pretty well with no major disruption- this year certainly hasn't seen the service completely collapsing as the thermometer breaks 30 like it has in previous years.

    With the return to more seasonal temperatures tomorrow, at least we can get back to what we do well this time of the year - blaming leaves for delays.   ;)

    You tempted fate there... flooding at Didcot and Newbury this morning and storm damage near Slough!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 16, 2016, 08:01:45
    Well, that's three days of hot weather and the infrastructure has held up pretty well with no major disruption- this year certainly hasn't seen the service completely collapsing as the thermometer breaks 30 like it has in previous years.

    With the return to more seasonal temperatures tomorrow, at least we can get back to what we do well this time of the year - blaming leaves for delays.   ;)

    You tempted fate there... flooding at Didcot and Newbury this morning and storm damage near Slough!

    Looks like we may have flooding at Melksham again ...

    Quote
    07:33 Westbury to Swindon due 08:23
    This train will be cancelled.
    This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.
    Additional Information
    Taxis will operate via Melksham.

    ... I would expect to see diversions because of the Newbury floods causing our service to be replaced by diverted trains, but it appears that the Berks and Hants is open, with trains calling at Newbury Racecourse rather than Newbury itself.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 08:55:15
    ...............on the upside, it may wash all the leaves off the line (but hopefully the white paint will remain in place?)  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on September 16, 2016, 09:00:18
    You tempted fate there... flooding at Didcot and Newbury this morning and storm damage near Slough!
    Here's the best picture I've found on twitter for Didcot Parkway earlier today:
    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csc8p1wXgAA8v5Z.jpg)
    The bus parking outside was also flooded, and was Station Road / Hitchcock Way intermittently.

    Water has already receded somewhat.

    Some reports misleadingly refer to the 'underpass' at the station which might be one as far as the tracks are concerned but is of course at ground level.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 09:13:03
    ..............I love the touching faith of the guy halfway up to his knees in water looking at the information boards!!!

    We've got to have a caption competition for that one!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 16, 2016, 09:14:51
    Outside Didcot station:
    https://twitter.com/LilleyMitchell/status/776675549657915392


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 16, 2016, 09:15:35
    There's clearly a lot of water where it's not meant to be. But some of GWR's attempts to explain its effects is a bit baffling.

    The one for Didcot's quite clear about the local effects, but not for how to bypass it:

    Quote
    Alterations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to flooding at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 16/09.
    Customer Advice
    Flooding at Didcot Parkway railway station has rendered the station subway impassible.

    Only one platform is available for use at Didcot Parkway and this allows travel from Reading to Didcot Parkway and for travel from Didcot Parkway towards Swindon.

    At present any customers wishing to travel from Didcot Parkway towards Reading and London Paddington will need to circulate via Swindon.

    Any customers on London bound services from Oxford. Swindon, Bristol, South Wales, etc requiring Didcot Parkway will need to travel through to Reading and return to Didcot from there.

    Customers seeking to travel from Didcot Parkway to Oxford and other local stations are, in the short term, requested to use other local stations instead or utilise a very limited replacement road transport link to / from Cholsey to connect with local train services there.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Last Updated:16/09/2016 08:55

    But as for this - is it really saying the track is usable, but the platform is flooded?

    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Newbury
    Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Newbury the line towards Westbury is closed.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 16/09.
    Customer Advice
    Due to platforms at Newbury station being flooded we are now able to call Reading and London bound train services at Newbury only.
    Train services for Bedwyn, Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance are unable to stop at Newbury station. Train service will call additionally at Newbury Racecourse instead of Newbury station.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 30 minutes.
    Last Updated:16/09/2016 08:53

    Even if it says "now" where it means "not" - a serious error in this case - it's a bit of a mess.

    But maybe it's a holding message until things are a bit clearer and a better set of words is produced.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 16, 2016, 09:15:43
    ..............the love the touching faith of the guy halfway up to his knees in water looking at the information boards!!!

    We've got to have a caption competition for that one!!!
    LOL!!!!

    Agree.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 16, 2016, 09:55:46
    Newbury....
    https://twitter.com/smart_leona/status/776687798992637952/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/smart_leona/status/776687798992637952/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on September 16, 2016, 09:58:24
    But as for this - is it really saying the track is usable, but the platform is flooded?

    Only Platform 1 (Swindon-bound) is (was) accessible without using the subway.  Tracks above ok but platforms 2-5 cut-off by flooded subway.

    Direction to go to Cholsey not so good as Station Road closed there due to flooding under the railway bridge. Interesting trip to work today!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 10:50:45
    Well, that's three days of hot weather and the infrastructure has held up pretty well with no major disruption- this year certainly hasn't seen the service completely collapsing as the thermometer breaks 30 like it has in previous years.

    With the return to more seasonal temperatures tomorrow, at least we can get back to what we do well this time of the year - blaming leaves for delays.   ;)

    You tempted fate there... flooding at Didcot and Newbury this morning and storm damage near Slough!

    Yes I rather did, didn't I.  :-[  Not much you can do when mother nature roars like that.

    Still, at least our network didn't suffer with any major landslips, this one affecting the WCML near Watford today is causing a great deal of disruption and can possibly be described as a 'lucky escape' as it appears a train coming the other way actually made contact with the derailed one: http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-16/train-derailed-at-watford-junction/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 11:22:52
    Two reported injured on the BBC website - "A man was treated for a neck injury and a woman treated for chest pains"

    Caption on one of those photos
    "The southbound train derailed by a tunnel near Watford"

    Naughty tunnel! :-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on September 16, 2016, 12:00:10
    Twitter reporting that the Didcot station flood water contains sewage and so station will need a deep clean / disinfection before reopening.

    I'm I right in thinking that the route through Hinksey which recently was raised as part of flood prevention work has been tested by this rainfall and passed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 12:14:57
    No problems at Hinksey, though that was never really susceptible to this sort of flash flooding event, more the slower build up of persistent rain from the Cotswolds swelling the River Thames and Cherwell and trying to come down through the various channels through Oxford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on September 16, 2016, 12:15:36
    Twitter reporting that the Didcot station flood water contains sewage and so station will need a deep clean / disinfection before reopening.

    I'm I right in thinking that the route through Hinksey which recently was raised as part of flood prevention work has been tested by this rainfall and passed?

    No because flooding at Hinksey is usually caused by the rainwater as it accumulates in the Thames and flows towards Oxford, it therefore tends to be several days after the rain has fallen.
    I also believe that this morning's rain was very localised  to Didcot and area and the rainfall in Oxford was much less and therefore won't impact on Hinksey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 12:50:11
    Two reported injured on the BBC website - "A man was treated for a neck injury and a woman treated for chest pains"

    Caption on one of those photos
    "The southbound train derailed by a tunnel near Watford"

    Naughty tunnel! :-)

    Another photo has surfaced - an uncropped one showing the creation of a new road above the tunnel/slippage - I wonder whether the rain actually to blame here? Only time will tell

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsdkImbWIAAMRHp.jpg:small)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on September 16, 2016, 14:33:23
    Cancellations to services at London Paddington

    Following a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 16/09.

    Further Information

    Owing to a power failure at London Paddington affecting sigmalling there we are unable to operate any long distance services to or from London Paddington,
    Custromers travelling to stations Reading and west thereof are strongly advised to utilise alternative routes from London.
    Last Updated:16/09/2016 14:20


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on September 16, 2016, 14:36:07
    Twitter reporting that the Didcot station flood water contains sewage and so station will need a deep clean / disinfection before reopening.
    Reports suggest that platform access will be prioritised but the ticket office may need more time.

    The railway station is in one of the lowest-lying parts of Didcot. I have noticed recently that some drainage channels around Didcot still had pools of stagnant water in them despite two months of very little rain. This suggests a blockage somewhere or ground saturation.
    Quote
    I'm I right in thinking that the route through Hinksey which recently was raised as part of flood prevention work has been tested by this rainfall and passed?
    Didcot was about the most northerly extent of the heavy rain.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 15:14:20
    Owing to a power failure at London Paddington affecting sigmalling there we are unable to operate any long distance services to or from London Paddington,
    Custromers travelling to stations Reading and west thereof are strongly advised to utilise alternative routes from London.
    Last Updated:16/09/2016 14:20

    .............they really, really, really need to get that sorted out, or there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people trying to get to home to Wales and the Westcountry for the weekend who find themselves stranded (Again) by GWR.....(and before the ranting starts I know it's probably a bit of NR's kit)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 15:16:00
    Already sorted & Lines are open.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 15:21:20
    Already sorted & Lines are open.

    ............from NRE;

    Having previously been resolved, the signalling problem at London Paddington has reoccurred. There will be delays of up to 60 minutes can be expected while services fully return to normal. Disruption is expected to continue until 17:00.
    Great Western Railway customers may use South West Trains services between London Waterloo and Windsor / Reading to connect with Great Western Railway services. Alternatively you can use your ticket on South West Trains services via Basingstoke and Guildford.

    http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/147525.aspx


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 15:26:13
    19 signals blank and multiple track circuit failures leading to platform 1-7 currently not available.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 16, 2016, 16:08:32
    19 signals blank and multiple track circuit failures leading to platform 1-7 currently not available.
    Ouch!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 16:19:49
    Didcot platforms being reported as open by BBC.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on September 16, 2016, 16:36:00
    Road to Didcot Parkway (Hitchcock Way) to the east though is still closed. The Fire Service has moved down there to pump it out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: FremlinsMan on September 16, 2016, 16:45:14
    Does anyone know if the Great Western Railway Staff Association (GWRSA) premises were effected? I'm hoping to see a band there tonight!

    https://www.facebook.com/didcotredhotblues/

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 16:50:03
    If you check the link you provided, being Facebook, someone has asked that very Q and got a reply


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 17:12:45
    On GWR Twitter........."Unless necessary, please do not travel out of Paddington this evening. Tickets will be accepted tomorrow instead"............I guess that's called managing expectations, although "necessary" is pretty subjective in the circumstances. Good luck to all those trying to get home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 17:19:24
    yep - all these and others cancelled -

    1718, 1736, 1800, 1818, 1845, 1847, 1900, 1912.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 16, 2016, 18:10:01
    Now advising disruption until 2359, apparently NR have identified the problem & are fixing it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 18:44:07
    Now advising disruption until 2359, apparently NR have identified the problem & are fixing it.

    Two replacement fuses have both blown shortly after installation, so sections of the signalling being isolated one at a time to trace where the fault is.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 20:29:17
    A lot of disruption today, obviously, but good to see the new layout at Reading once again easing the situation slightly with the additional through platforms and Kennet Bridge Loop being used to turn round those trains which were not able to make it to/from Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 17, 2016, 10:17:18
    I wonder how much yesterday's fun and games would cost GWR under the Consumer Rights Act in terms of compensation once it applies, as opposed to their own current arrangements?  More/less/about the same?

    (Notwithstanding that at the moment they get back far more in compensation from NR than they ever pay out to customers of course)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: The Tall Controller on September 17, 2016, 11:13:22
    Given that Network Rail will be footing the bill for this one, I'm guessing it wont cost GWR that much at all.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 17, 2016, 14:37:05
    Given that Network Rail will be footing the bill for this one, I'm guessing it wont cost GWR that much at all.

    Yeah thanks I get that, but was more interested in the overall amount that GWR will be paying out to customers initially before they get the cheque from NR?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 17, 2016, 20:39:39
    Depends how many people claim the compensation they are entitled to for yesterday's delays against the number of people who claim compensation under any new system that applies and how the parameters in which you can claim under any new system are more beneficial to the customer.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 17, 2016, 22:50:01
    Given that Network Rail will be footing the bill for this one, I'm guessing it wont cost GWR that much at all.

    Yeah thanks I get that, but was more interested in the overall amount that GWR will be paying out to customers initially before they get the cheque from NR?

    The problem is it becomes a vicious circle, trains are delayed because of old and worn out infrastructure, TOC customer aka passenger claims compensation, said TOC as a customer of NR claims compensations, NR then does not have the money to replace old and worn out infrastructure so this causes delays ............ TOC customer aka ....................

    You get the picture.

    Compound on top of this that when the infrastructure maintainer requests possessions in what are supposedly white periods ie no trains (white because the paper timetable used to be printed on had no black ink on them at these times) Ops say no or you can only have x amount of time because a TOC or FOC has a train booked to run; and its getting worse because people are now expecting a 24 hour railway, in the mean time some of the infrastructure is patched up to work (safely I will add)   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on September 17, 2016, 23:22:59
    Now advising disruption until 2359, apparently NR have identified the problem & are fixing it.

    Two replacement fuses have both blown shortly after installation, so sections of the signalling being isolated one at a time to trace where the fault is.

    Still using fuses?

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 18, 2016, 08:52:42
    Now advising disruption until 2359, apparently NR have identified the problem & are fixing it.

    Two replacement fuses have both blown shortly after installation, so sections of the signalling being isolated one at a time to trace where the fault is.

    Still using fuses?

    OTC

    What is wrong with fuses?
     
    Fuses BS88 (HRC) fuses are very reliable, can handle high fault levels, work as well with dc and ac and are not susceptible to nuisance tripping due to mechanical vibration like MCBs also easy to grade in terms of discrimination.

    MCB are used in places and the new signalling power supplies (650V) uses VCBs and a auto reconfigurable system, however for the lower voltage parts of the system fuse are the most reliable.

    The incoming supply from the DNO or internal railway high voltage transformers will be a BS88 (type) fuse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 18, 2016, 08:56:59
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between London Paddington and Slough:

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 18, 2016, 12:47:39
    Now advising disruption until 2359, apparently NR have identified the problem & are fixing it.

    Two replacement fuses have both blown shortly after installation, so sections of the signalling being isolated one at a time to trace where the fault is.

    Still using fuses?

    OTC

    Fuses have a lot to be said for them, especially in adverse conditions such as lineside equipment cabinets. MCBs are somewhat temperature sensitive and may trip prematurely in very hot conditions, or allow an over current to persist for longer than it should in very cold conditions.
    Most types of MCB are not sealed and the internal parts are vulnerable to rust etc.

    Fuses are often preferable to MCBs in complex circuits were a number of fuses or MCBs are required in series.
    If a 16 amp MCB and a 32 amp MCB are in series then a fault may well trip both.
    A 16 amp fuse and a 32 amp fuse OF THE SAME TYPE in series will normally blow the smaller one before the larger one.

    The main drawback of fuses is the absolute requirement for an ample stock of spares, an intermittent fault can blow a surprising number of fuses before it is located.
    IMO, a prudent minimum stock of spare fuses is 2 for each circuit AND a dozen extra regardless of how many or how few circuits use that type. So if a control panel contains 8 fuses of the same type, the spare stock should be 2 for each circuit =16 AND another 12 or 28 in total.
    For equipment that is of great importance, or that has a history of blowing fuses for unknown reasons, twice as many should be provided.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 18, 2016, 12:56:30
    The main drawback of fuses is the absolute requirement for an ample stock of spares, an intermittent fault can blow a surprising number of fuses before it is located.

    As demonstrated on Friday afternoon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 18, 2016, 14:31:29
    Quote
    Two replacement fuses have both blown
    Quote
    As demonstrated on Friday afternoon.

    Would you be referring to the electrical equipment or the commuters?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on September 18, 2016, 16:33:18
    Quote

    What is wrong with fuses?
     
    Fuses BS88 (HRC) fuses are very reliable, can handle high fault levels, work as well with dc and ac and are not susceptible to nuisance tripping due to mechanical vibration like MCBs also easy to grade in terms of discrimination.

    MCB are used in places and the new signalling power supplies (650V) uses VCBs and a auto reconfigurable system, however for the lower voltage parts of the system fuse are the most reliable.

    The incoming supply from the DNO or internal railway high voltage transformers will be a BS88 (type) fuse.

    I suggest we ask ourselves how we would prefer critical electrical circuits to be protected in civil airliners.

    There's about three minutes to rectify a problem.....

    OTC


    Edit to correct format only


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 18, 2016, 22:09:23
    The main drawback of fuses is the absolute requirement for an ample stock of spares, an intermittent fault can blow a surprising number of fuses before it is located.

    As demonstrated on Friday afternoon.



    What is wrong with fuses?
     
    Fuses BS88 (HRC) fuses are very reliable, can handle high fault levels, work as well with dc and ac and are not susceptible to nuisance tripping due to mechanical vibration like MCBs also easy to grade in terms of discrimination.

    MCB are used in places and the new signalling power supplies (650V) uses VCBs and a auto reconfigurable system, however for the lower voltage parts of the system fuse are the most reliable.

    The incoming supply from the DNO or internal railway high voltage transformers will be a BS88 (type) fuse.
    [/quote]

    I suggest we ask ourselves how we would prefer critical electrical circuits to be protected in civil airliners.

    There's about three minutes to rectify a problem.....

    OTC
    [/quote]

    The biggest problem I have come across in my 40 years as an electrical engineer is you can only reset a MCB a number of times after it has cleared a fault (typically after 5 faults) this is because the contacts get pitted and burnt and then there is the risk of contacts welding, also MCB are expensive compared to the humble "red spot" BS88.

    The railway signalling system and many other critical system has hundreds of thousands if not millions of fuse 99.9% of them sit there passively for their working life for 30, 40 even 50 years doing their job and retire without a rupture, the ones that do rupture do so because there has been a fault.

    A fault is just that something has gone wrong and its not the fuse that ruptured because it felt like it its because a cable or component has failed, to get a system up and running new fuse are put in if they rupture again then the fault has to have detailed investigation because if you just keep putting fuses in more and more damage is done and can even lead to loss of life or fire


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on September 26, 2016, 07:19:29
    Is this the first time we've heard this as a reason for delays - damage to overhead line equipment in the Burnham area causing delays into and out of Paddington this morning. On the relief lines, according to TM.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 26, 2016, 07:33:08
    Looks as the lady in her mobility buggy isn't going quietly (see thread elsewhere!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 26, 2016, 08:16:14
    Is this the first time we've heard this as a reason for delays - damage to overhead line equipment in the Burnham area causing delays into and out of Paddington this morning. On the relief lines, according to TM.

    ..............the shape of things to come!!!  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sanfrandragon on September 26, 2016, 08:41:08
    Is this the first time we've heard this as a reason for delays - damage to overhead line equipment in the Burnham area causing delays into and out of Paddington this morning. On the relief lines, according to TM.

    So ironic, and they're not even in use yet, but damage causing slow running trains anyway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 26, 2016, 08:53:58
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Burnham the line towards Reading is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Burnham and Taplow will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/09.

    I took a 15 minute hit on an High Speed Train (HST) from Reading to Paddington.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on September 26, 2016, 09:30:30
    From my casual observation (i.e. looking out of passing HST windows), I don't believe the wires are even installed there yet. So presumably the damage is to a gantry or some other piece of support infrastructure?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on September 26, 2016, 11:12:06
    Is this the first time we've heard this as a reason for delays - damage to overhead line equipment in the Burnham area causing delays into and out of Paddington this morning. On the relief lines, according to TM.

    It isn't the first report of this nature, there were reports of 'damage to OHLE' causing delays west of Tilehurst some time ago, which turned out to be something used temporarily during installation hanging into the path of traffic on the main lines. 

    Possibly something similar this time - IIRC the reasons for delay automatic announcements are chosen from a menu, so there probably won't be one that covers 'installer error'...   ;D

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 26, 2016, 16:41:48
    Still, at least our network didn't suffer with any major landslips, this one affecting the WCML near Watford today is causing a great deal of disruption and can possibly be described as a 'lucky escape' as it appears a train coming the other way actually made contact with the derailed one: http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-16/train-derailed-at-watford-junction/

    Will be interesting to see the final report on this one, but it's confirmed by the RAIB that the train which struck the derailed one received a GSM-R emergency stop message sent by the driver of the derailed train and had reduced the speed from 80mph to 32mph before the collision.  It is quite possible that before the advent of GSM-R whatever radio system had previously been in operation would not have been able to alert the driver of the oncoming train in time for him/her to start braking - particularly as a tunnel was involved.  I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that GSM-R may well have prevented serious loss of life here!

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/derailment-and-collision-watford-tunnel

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/watford-junction-derailment-crashed-train-travelling-at-80mph-before-braking-investigators-find-a3354401.html


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on September 27, 2016, 19:43:31
    From my casual observation (i.e. looking out of passing HST windows), I don't believe the wires are even installed there yet. So presumably the damage is to a gantry or some other piece of support infrastructure?

    I had a look yesterday morning and there are wires installed for a short length of the line around and through Burnham station...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 27, 2016, 19:50:13
    I believe it was another earthing bond that had come loose, so not a permanent part of the electrification equipment.  Three out of the four lines through Burnham have now been wired for a short section towards Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 27, 2016, 22:18:23
    I believe it was another earthing bond that had come loose, so not a permanent part of the electrification equipment.  Three out of the four lines through Burnham have now been wired for a short section towards Slough.
      Not really very encouraging is it? One tiny length wired and already causing problems before its even in use!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 27, 2016, 23:03:10
    I believe it was another earthing bond that had come loose, so not a permanent part of the electrification equipment.  Three out of the four lines through Burnham have now been wired for a short section towards Slough.
      Not really very encouraging is it? One tiny length wired and already causing problems before its even in use!

    It would be far less encouraging if it was part of the permanent equipment.  AIUI these are only earthing bonds attached as a safety measure during the installation of the equipment.  'Electric Train' may be able to elaborate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 28, 2016, 09:22:29
    I believe it was another earthing bond that had come loose, so not a permanent part of the electrification equipment.  Three out of the four lines through Burnham have now been wired for a short section towards Slough.
      Not really very encouraging is it? One tiny length wired and already causing problems before its even in use!

    No, it is not very encouraging, though as others have pointed out it appears that a temporary earth connection was the problem and not part of the permanent install.

    I remain a bit doubtful as to the reliability of the new electric railway, having suffered badly from the failed east coast scheme.
    Hopefully lessons have been learnt ! The structures being erected on the GWR certainly appear to be much more substantial than those on the East coast job. Portal frames should be inherently more reliable than span wires.

    My main concern regarding GWR electrification is not in fact the wires coming down, well not that  often anyway. I fear the increasing sophistication and computerisation of the electrical infrastructure, some of which I fear to be new and untested technology.
    I suspect that the power will be turned off or trip out fairly regularly due to computer or software issues. Or to over sensitive protective devices. "all services through Slough are subject to delay and cancellation because a pigeon has flown into the overhead at Bristol"
    Yet another growing risk to the reliability and performance of an electric railway is the increasing concern for the welfare of trespassers "all services from Paddington are suspended at present as the traction current has been isolated due to a person climbing the OHLE near Reading"

    On The Other Hand (OTOH), the new trains can proceed on diesel power when the wires come down or the current is turned off, perhaps refreshment could be taken in the buffet during any such delays ::)


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 28, 2016, 12:00:39
    My main concern regarding GWR electrification is not in fact the wires coming down, well not that  often anyway. I fear the increasing sophistication and computerisation of the electrical infrastructure, some of which I fear to be new and untested technology.
    I suspect that the power will be turned off or trip out fairly regularly due to computer or software issues. Or to over sensitive protective devices. "all services through Slough are subject to delay and cancellation because a pigeon has flown into the overhead at Bristol"
    Yet another growing risk to the reliability and performance of an electric railway is the increasing concern for the welfare of trespassers "all services from Paddington are suspended at present as the traction current has been isolated due to a person climbing the OHLE near Reading"

    Both general scenarios are possible - though I doubt a pigeon at Bristol would affect all services at Slough?.  I guess it depends on whether they happen more or less often than current situations that won't happen, such as 'services delayed due to an engine failure/train running out of fuel/engine fire' etc.  What tends to be the case is that it will happen less often, but when it does there will be more of an impact.  Though apart from the Turbo derailment hitting a gantry outside of Paddington a few months back I can't recall many occasions where the current has had to be isolated due to a fault/emergency on that admittedly short but very busy and highly populated section.

    OTOH, the new trains can proceed on diesel power when the wires come down or the current is turned off, perhaps refreshment could be taken in the buffet during any such delays ::)

    Depending on whether there's physical damage to the cables in front, or a stranded Class 387 in front, they will be able to proceed.  No doubt emergency supplies of water will be kept in the kitchen.  At the very minimum, at least the air-con and lights will continue to work!  Regarding the 387s, one small reason I'm glad we've got Bombadier electric trains rather than the Siemens equivalent is that there are at least a small number of windows that can be opened should the air-con fail on a very warm day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 28, 2016, 12:05:03
    How many times have we heard of a pigeon hitting the West/East Coast lines? A swan, I think, once, but not sure any pigeon....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on September 28, 2016, 12:07:54
    In all my years of working underneath overhead wires I have witnessed many fried pigeons but cannot recall train services ever being delayed by them  ::) :P.  The breakers will automatically reset anyway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 28, 2016, 12:08:35
    How about balloons... ? :)
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=13560.msg147774#msg147774 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=13560.msg147774#msg147774)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 28, 2016, 12:10:51
    But if they came down now, it would bring trains to a halt....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 28, 2016, 12:24:05
    How many times have we heard of a pigeon hitting the West/East Coast lines? A swan, I think, once, but not sure any pigeon....

    AFAIK pigeons regularly strike the existing Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) but without any serious consequences except for the pigeon.
    My concern is that more sensitive equipment might trip out be damaged by an event that was previously of little consequence.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on September 28, 2016, 18:50:01
    Problems between Paddington and West Ealing tonight due, according to Great Western Railway (GWR) Journey Check, a signalling problem.    However, BBC Travel state the cable thieves have changed tactics to nicking Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE).   Difficult to believe unless not live and the thieves knew it.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 28, 2016, 19:14:36
    I suspect that the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) is not live and that the thieves know it.

    Edit: VickiS - Clariying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on September 28, 2016, 20:14:50
    I suspect that the OHLE is not live and that the thieves know it.
    And unlike signalling cables, where zero-scrap-value fibre-optic cables can often be used, OHLE needs to be low resistance, and that means copper.  Gold is quite low in resistance too...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 28, 2016, 21:28:23
    Was due to a damaged faraday cage on a signal (which protects those attending to a signal from the overhead wires).  It had come loose and was a danger to passing trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 28, 2016, 22:48:11
    Was due to a damaged faraday cage on a signal (which protects those attending to a signal from the overhead wires).  It had come loose and was a danger to passing trains.
    .........what a difference a day makes!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 29, 2016, 12:04:27
    I recall an incident when there was no power whatsoever in the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) on Poland's Central Main Line, from Warsaw to Krakow and Katowice, because... the (then state-owned) railways were virtually bankrupt and owed the (also state-owned) national grid several gazillions! Hopefully that won't happen here.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 29, 2016, 12:17:58
    Was due to a damaged faraday cage on a signal (which protects those attending to a signal from the overhead wires).  It had come loose and was a danger to passing trains.

    That I actually find to be more concerning. These cages are very low-tech constructions of steel frames and steel mesh. It should not be that hard to devise suitable fixings and to install them correctly so as to prevent them coming loose.

    Imagine the consequences of a train hitting one :( Apart from the potential danger at the time, imagine the disruption whilst the line is closed to examine each one.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 30, 2016, 07:45:36
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 30/09. ................what on Earth has happened?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 30, 2016, 08:16:26
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 30/09. ................what on Earth has happened?

    Engineering train ran through a set of points during an possession of the line. Seemingly, this is becoming a regular occurrence


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 30, 2016, 09:05:42
    Also:
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 30/09.

    (Amongst other things this lead to the cancellation of 1L08 which left a bit of a gap in departures from Reading to Paddington during the morning peak)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 01, 2016, 00:28:53
    I've lost track of the what work has been completed where but has all the signalling work been completed? There still seem to be signal failures but is this due to work to upgrade them or problems with the new system?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 01, 2016, 10:32:28
    There's lots more signalling work to be done between Paddington and Hayes (Stockley Bridge) and at Maidenhead, for Crossrail.  The last stage is at Easter 2018 (or thereabouts ::) :P )

    See this thread for details of the work at Christmas/New Year 2016: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17494.0

    Modern electronic signalling is not quite as robust as the 'old hat' relay technology that existed before, and its design life is much shorter.  There is also the 'Bath Tub Effect' which most electronic systems suffer from whereby if its going to fail it has a higher chance when its new and then towards the end of its life.  Electronic systems also don't like being disturbed, which of course is occuring almost daily at present.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 11, 2016, 08:11:34
    Another morning of joy on LTV.........................Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Langley, Iver and West Drayton will not be served.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on October 11, 2016, 09:15:01
    Apparently a fault at West Drayton. Up Main traffic diverted onto Up Relief.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 12, 2016, 19:39:12
    Delays to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Due to a speed restriction earlier today between Didcot Parkway and Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Oxford.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 12/10.

    Emergency track repairs just south of Oxford caused disruption for most of this afternoon, culminating in no northbound services - through or terminating at Oxford - for an hour between 1620 & 1720.

    [Thursday am] - just realised 1545 Reading - Newcastle started from Oxford on platform 3. Realtime Trains suggests nothing coming from south of Oxford from 1545 to 1722


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 12, 2016, 20:26:12
    Emergency repairs took longer than expected.  Fortunately the High Speed Train (HST) to Moreton ran all the way as control wanted to terminate it at Charlbury.  After the cancellation of the previous train, sheer weight of passenger numbers forced a change of mind.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 13, 2016, 18:23:10
    Not sure if a broken down train counts as infrastructure but anyway...

    "Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Due to a broken down train between Didcot Parkway and Oxford the line towards Oxford is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:45 13/10."

    Seems several Oxford bound trains currently being held at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on October 13, 2016, 18:46:43
    Not sure if a broken down train counts as infrastructure but anyway...

    Wouldn't have thought so. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 13, 2016, 19:58:48
    Was a failed Class 70 on a Freightliner at Radley.  After a bit of coaxing from the driver it managed to limp into Hinksey Yard and out of harms way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 14, 2016, 09:22:19
    More work for the delay attribution "Bean Counters"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2016, 08:29:27
    .....new week, same old story  >:(


    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 17/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 17, 2016, 09:17:18
    At seven o'clock this morning there was an S+T bloke scrabbling around in the four foot on the Up Main at Slough West.  Didn't fancy his job with trains continuing to run on the other three lines


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2016, 09:23:01
    Latest;

    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough the line towards London Paddington will be blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 17/10.
    Customer Advice
    London bound passengers at Burnham and Taplow are advised to circulate via Maidenhead.
    Passengers for Taplow and Burnham are advised to circulate via Slough.
    Further Information
    This is due to an ongoing axle counter failure in the Slough area. Technicians need a blockage of one of the lines towards London Paddington to allow them to rectify issue. While this takes place there will be only 1 line able to accommodate trains into London and therefore alterations will take place to alleviate congestion through affected stations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 17, 2016, 09:43:07
    Thought something was wrong High Speed Train's (HST)s going slow past house. Glad I'm not commuting any more!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 17, 2016, 11:41:58
    I was on 1L10 which ran at a glacial pace on the relief line from ~ Twyford to Slough.
    35 minutes late into Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 17, 2016, 16:06:28
    Do you qualify for a refund or are you not TV on 1L10?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on October 17, 2016, 18:56:32
    And again:

    Delays to services between Maidenhead and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Last Updated:17/10/2016 18:50


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 17, 2016, 19:26:48
    Do you qualify for a refund or are you not TV on 1L10?


    1L10 is a high speed service originating from Swansea. Because GWR are dragging in their heels over Delay Repay introduction there is currently no compensation for delays less than an hour for HSS.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2016, 19:50:57
    Day is ending as it started...........Delays to services between Maidenhead and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2016, 20:02:03
    Do you qualify for a refund or are you not TV on 1L10?


    1L10 is a high speed service originating from Swansea. Because GWR are dragging in their heels over Delay Repay introduction there is currently no compensation for delays less than an hour for HSS.

    I don't think GWR should introduce Delay Repay until such times the DfT and Network Rail can provide a reliable infrastructure.  If they can't provide a reliable infrastructure then GWR should be compensated accordingly. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2016, 20:04:32
    Are the defective axle counters and related equipment part of the "new and improved signalling that will bring about a faster and more reliable railway"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 17, 2016, 20:39:16
    Unfortunately the computer way of observing the 'tail lamp' [a vital piece of railway safety equipment] and giving 'Train Out of Section' to the system.  I assume in the case today it was considered most expedient to close the line and repair immediately rather than continue to send every express down the Up Main under caution.  I got the feeling that the S+T man I saw this morning on his hands and knees in the four foot was looking for a damaged wire or connection.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on October 17, 2016, 20:59:27
    Day is ending as it started...........Delays to services between Maidenhead and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    I'm pretty sure I said that an hour before you  ::) ::) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2016, 21:30:29
    Unfortunately the computer way of observing the 'tail lamp' [a vital piece of railway safety equipment] and giving 'Train Out of Section' to the system.  I assume in the case today it was considered most expedient to close the line and repair immediately rather than continue to send every express down the Up Main under caution.  I got the feeling that the S+T man I saw this morning on his hands and knees in the four foot was looking for a damaged wire or connection.

    Yes, I was aware that observation of the tail lamp was the traditional way of proving that the WHOLE train has passed a given point, and that axle counters are one of the newer ways of achieving this.

    It does however seem regrettable that the new technology has proved so unreliable.
    Presumably failures several times a week are the "new normal", together with major failures a few times a year.

    And it is not even the rainy season yet, no one would expect modern signalling to work in prolonged heavy rain.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on October 17, 2016, 21:47:19
    Can someone explain why axle counters have found favour instead of track circuits over the last few years. They don't seem to be as reliable as they were made out to be when first introduced.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2016, 22:29:28
    Day is ending as it started...........Delays to services between Maidenhead and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    I'm pretty sure I said that an hour before you  ::) ::) ;D
                   

    Whoops! (Don't you know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?)  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 17, 2016, 23:13:32
    Can someone explain why axle counters have found favour instead of track circuits over the last few years. They don't seem to be as reliable as they were made out to be when first introduced.
    Simple: Whole life cost.  Axle counter sections can be of any length whereas track cicuits in AC electrified areas are limited to 600m length.  As the average signal spacing is around 1300m you would need 3 track circuits per section instead of a single axle counter section.  Then there is the add on cost of keeping the running rails insulated etc. for track circuits. Lots of other (technical) reasons as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 18, 2016, 06:00:32
    Looks like the same, or similar fault, has struck this morning's rush hour too. Temperature issues or things moving incompletely under possession upsetting the counters?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on October 18, 2016, 07:52:18
    Can someone explain why axle counters have found favour instead of track circuits over the last few years. They don't seem to be as reliable as they were made out to be when first introduced.
    Simple: Whole life cost.  Axle counter sections can be of any length whereas track cicuits in AC electrified areas are limited to 600m length.  As the average signal spacing is around 1300m you would need 3 track circuits per section instead of a single axle counter section.  Then there is the add on cost of keeping the running rails insulated etc. for track circuits. Lots of other (technical) reasons as well.
    Many thanks for the clear explanation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 18, 2016, 08:37:51
    Day 2 (checked first johoare!  :) )

    The much vaunted "new and improved signalling that will bring about a faster and more reliable railway" seems to have some way to go............


    Due to a fault with the signalling system earlier today between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 40 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 18/10.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    This is due to ongoing axle counter failures in the Slough area. Technicians have been on site rectifying the issue throughout the night.
    Trains are required to run at a reduced speed on the two lines towards London Paddington and therefore delays are to be expected transversing through to Slough from Reading/Maidenhead.
    Alterations and cancellatons will be used to ease congestion and preserve a timetabled service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2016, 09:09:52
    The much vaunted "new and improved signalling that will bring about a faster and more reliable railway" seems to have some way to go............

    Very poor show again.  According to the NR logs the technicians are having real problems resolving the axle counter fault(s) in this particular area.  Most if not all trains getting through but with a typical delay of between 15-25 minutes, so would have be an ideal Delay Repay 15 claiming scenario for the passengers.  Mark Hopwood's patience must be getting very thin!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 18, 2016, 09:11:39
    Do you qualify for a refund or are you not TV on 1L10?

    I raised this in
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17143.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17143.0)
    but my route is not TV enough to quality it seems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 18, 2016, 09:16:06
    It appears from OpenTimeTrains (http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/slough) that some up expresses are being talked past signal 534 (Slough Up Main Home equivalent?) rather than being diverted onto the Up Relief - though I notice that those that are diverted do a lot better time wise.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 18, 2016, 09:17:28
    1L10 again delayed 35 minutes into Paddington.
    The train manager (who himself was on this service yesterday) stated that he has raised a complaint (or whatever the correct term is) with signalling control regarding the diversion of this service onto the relief line as early as Twyford both today and yesterday.
    It's doubly irritating to have the already peak service delay further increased as you watch later trains get given line priority. Two days running.
    If there was a 'Rants and Raves' section I'd go and post there. I am in a state of high annoyance right now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 18, 2016, 09:18:44
    Mark Hopwood's patience must be getting very thin!
    His passenger's patience too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2016, 09:25:41
    It appears from OpenTimeTrains (http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/slough) that some up expresses are being talked past signal 534 (Slough Up Main Home equivalent?) rather than being diverted onto the Up Relief - though I notice that those that are diverted do a lot better time wise.

    That's exactly what's happening.  Better to do that than swamp the relief lines with all the trains as that would soon back up and delay everything more.

    1L10 again delayed 35 minutes into Paddington.
    The train manager (who himself was on this service yesterday) stated that he has raised a complaint (or whatever the correct term is) with signalling control regarding the diversion of this service onto the relief line as early as Twyford both today and yesterday.

    Twyford West is the nearest point to the location of the problem (Slough West) where trains can be diverted onto the relief lines, otherwise you'd be committed to the main lines and having to be talked by the signal at danger.

    Mark Hopwood's patience must be getting very thin!
    His passenger's patience too.

    Yes of course.  The posts on here confirm that.  Very frustrating for the staff on the front line as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 18, 2016, 09:38:50
    Certainly for that part of the morning peak being committed to the main line meant a more timely arrival into Paddington.
    1A72 and 1A04 both went ahead and my service only just nudged ahead of 1A05 because that one was stationary on the main near Maidenhead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 18, 2016, 09:43:06
    Presumably this will get worse as more of the new signalling is installed ?

    An industry expert has stated a couple of pages back that the new signalling equipment is "less robust and has a shorter life" than the old stuff.
    We also learn that axle counters were chosen over track circuits on the grounds of lower cost, because fewer are needed.

    It seems to me that either the new equipment IS working as intended, with the failure rate being normal and that this is "the new normal" in which case better get used to it.

    Or perhaps the equipment is not working correctly. And might improve at least in theory. Who supplied and installed it ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on October 18, 2016, 09:44:49
    but with a typical delay of between 15-25 minutes, so would have be an ideal Delay Repay 15 claiming scenario for the passengers.

    I'm still getting my head around all this delay repay stuff, so sorry if this is a daft question but:

    Currently: Due to the ongoing delays of however many minutes, over however many days, the punctuality score is below the threshold, so when I renew my season ticket I automatically get my 5% off, is that correct (in basic terms) ? I presume that is all automated by computer when they put my customer number in, it knows I am renewing on a service affected by the LTV trigger etc.

    Delay Repay 15: If the train I am on arrives at its destination 15 minutes or more later, I have to put in a claim, every day, to get a refund. This is then manually processed by the TOC and something (cheque ? vouchers ?) are issued back to me.

    I know everyone keeps saying Delay Repay is the better option, which it may well be for some customers, but to me it just seems a whole load of extra grief for the customer!

    Again, I do not fully understand the process, hence the questions, before someone comes along and tells me it's obvious, again...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2016, 09:57:29
    Certainly for that part of the morning peak being committed to the main line meant a more timely arrival into Paddington.
    1A72 and 1A04 both went ahead and my service only just nudged ahead of 1A05 because that one was stationary on the main near Maidenhead.

    It's an imprecise art when deciding what the quickest course of action would be for a given train.  Some trains had to go relief line otherwise there would have been huge delays on all of the HSS arrivals, but I can appreciate that must be frustrating when your train is adversely affected two days in a row.

    It seems to me that either the new equipment IS working as intended, with the failure rate being normal and that this is "the new normal" in which case better get used to it.

    Or perhaps the equipment is not working correctly. And might improve at least in theory. Who supplied and installed it ?

    Axle counters seem to be working well in other areas of the network where they are increasingly being used (i.e. Reading, Banbury), so I'm not sure why the Maidenhead to Paddington is causing so many regular problems.

    but with a typical delay of between 15-25 minutes, so would have be an ideal Delay Repay 15 claiming scenario for the passengers.

    I'm still getting my head around all this delay repay stuff, so sorry if this is a daft question but:

    Currently: Due to the ongoing delays of however many minutes, over however many days, the punctuality score is below the threshold, so when I renew my season ticket I automatically get my 5% off, is that correct (in basic terms) ? I presume that is all automated by computer when they put my customer number in, it knows I am renewing on a service affected by the LTV trigger etc.

    Delay Repay 15: If the train I am on arrives at its destination 15 minutes or more later, I have to put in a claim, every day, to get a refund. This is then manually processed by the TOC and something (cheque ? vouchers ?) are issued back to me.

    I know everyone keeps saying Delay Repay is the better option, which it may well be for some customers, but to me it just seems a whole load of extra grief for the customer!

    Again, I do not fully understand the process, hence the questions, before someone comes along and tells me it's obvious, again...

    It is a clumsier system to claim rather than the automatic charter renewal system, but it is much fairer and has a number of advantages.  Jason on here with his Mortimer to Paddington season, gets no discount whereas you from Goring (or is it Pangbourne?) do.  That's not fair on him as he suffers the same delays as you do.

    Also, if you stop commuting for any reason, then the delays you've suffered in the last year count for nothing as there's no renewed ticket for you to get a discount on.

    I would imagine in the longer term, technology will mean the claim system will become easier and easier over time and eventually automatic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 18, 2016, 10:54:01
    I have just checked my records (sad, I know  :-[ ) and 19 of my up trains were at least 15 minutes late (most recent being today) since this date last year, only one of which was more than 30 minutes late.  I've done the sums and 5% off my annual season ticket is still working out the better deal for me. I completely understand that this may not be the case for others similarly affected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 18, 2016, 10:58:33
    ...........estimate for continuing delays now pushed out to 1400;


    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system earlier today between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 18/10.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Update 10:00hrs: At approximately 11:00hrs one of the two lines towards London Paddington will be taken out of use for 60 minutes to allow specialist technicians access. While this is in place further alterations to the train service will come into affect.
    From 11:00hrs:
    Customers travelling TO Taplow and Burnham are advised to remain on the train through to SLOUGH, and change at Slough for services back to Burnham and Taplow.
    Customers due to travel FROM Taplow or Burnham are advised to take the first service to MAIDENHEAD and change at Maidenhead for Slough and stations towards London Paddington.
    Initial Incident: This is due to ongoing axle counter failures in the Slough area. Technicians have been on site rectifying the issue throughout the night.
    Trains are required to run at a reduced speed on the two lines towards London Paddington and therefore delays are to be expected traversing through to Slough from Reading/Maidenhead.
    Alterations and cancellations will be used to ease congestion and preserve a timetabled service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2016, 11:56:35
    I have just checked my records (sad, I know  :-[ ) and 19 of my up trains were at least 15 minutes late (most recent being today) since this date last year, only one of which was more than 30 minutes late.  I've done the sums and 5% off my annual season ticket is still working out the better deal for me. I completely understand that this may not be the case for others similarly affected.

    It's also the case that, under the current system,  you may face several 15+ minute delays over the life of a Season Ticket, but the punctuality target for your area is just met. You then get nothing on renewal. With Delay Repay 15, at least you'd be compensated in this scenario.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 18, 2016, 12:24:23
    Trains now running normally between Maidenhead and Slough
    Following a fault with the signalling system earlier today between Maidenhead and Slough all lines towards London Paddington are now open.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations are running normally.


    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/10.

     :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on October 18, 2016, 13:06:43
    It is a clumsier system to claim rather than the automatic charter renewal system, but it is much fairer and has a number of advantages.  Jason on here with his Mortimer to Paddington season, gets no discount whereas you from Goring (or is it Pangbourne?) do.  That's not fair on him as he suffers the same delays as you do.

    Also, if you stop commuting for any reason, then the delays you've suffered in the last year count for nothing as there's no renewed ticket for you to get a discount on.

    I would imagine in the longer term, technology will mean the claim system will become easier and easier over time and eventually automatic.

    Thanks, as always II, for your reply - and yes, its Goring! I guess I am just a bit miffed as 5% is something, where as I just know I will never claim if I have to do it myself (too lazy and I'll just forget about it after I get home/to work and life takes over), so I know ultimately I will end up losing out (and yes, I know I only have myself to blame...).

    To be honest, there are not THAT many delays over 15 minutes anyway, the vast majority are 5 or so, but over the course of a month they all add up, so I always felt the 5% I got back at least went someway to making it up. If I am delayed by an hour and totally ruin my evening plans, then no amount of monetary compensation makes up for it anyway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 18, 2016, 13:31:08
    To be honest, there are not THAT many delays over 15 minutes anyway, the vast majority are 5 or so, but over the course of a month they all add up, so I always felt the 5% I got back at least went someway to making it up. If I am delayed by an hour and totally ruin my evening plans, then no amount of monetary compensation makes up for it anyway.

    I did my calculations on our stretch of the LTV and the threshold for delay repay comes to 50 delayed journeys annually - considerably more than I experienced in the last year (19).  Not forgetting that when it goes completely up the wall, I get a void day - I remember having eight one year!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on October 18, 2016, 20:08:55
    Presumably this will get worse as more of the new signalling is installed ?

    An industry expert has stated a couple of pages back that the new signalling equipment is "less robust and has a shorter life" than the old stuff.
    We also learn that axle counters were chosen over track circuits on the grounds of lower cost, because fewer are needed.

    It seems to me that either the new equipment IS working as intended, with the failure rate being normal and that this is "the new normal" in which case better get used to it.

    Or perhaps the equipment is not working correctly. And might improve at least in theory. Who supplied and installed it ?

    Nice bit of selective quoting there.







    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 19, 2016, 08:46:04
    And again:

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines towards London Paddington.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from West Ealing. Some stations between Southall and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/10.

    "Up to 15 minutes" seems conservative from what I saw as I came through Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 19, 2016, 09:26:39
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or terminated at and started back from West Ealing. Some stations between Southall and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected to continue until 2200 19/10.............3 days out of 3 this week....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on October 19, 2016, 10:08:34
    Well that explains us being swung over to the Up Relief just before Hanwell.
    Not much time wasted luckily and not stuck behind a stopper.
    What is defective track anyway; loose pandrols perhaps?
    W.E


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 19, 2016, 11:29:47
    What is defective track anyway; loose pandrols perhaps?

    Can be a multitude of things, in this case it looks like overnight track tamping (ballast work) the caused the track to go slightly out of alignment and a driver reported 'rough riding'.  As a result trains had to be cautioned, and a 20mph speed limit enforced.  That limit will shortly rise to 50mph when EROS (Emergency Restriction Of Speed) warning boards have been erected trackside.  Obviously the tolerances for a 125mph line are very strict, so a slight error can lead to this sort of thing.  Wouldn't have been so bad had there not already been two days of morning disruption already this week


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 19, 2016, 23:08:18
    i thought modern Tamping machines were supposed to be laser controlled to perfectly align the track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 20, 2016, 07:14:21
    Nearly overslept this morning without my regular 'delays are occurring...' text message from GWR.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on October 20, 2016, 07:18:59
    i thought modern Tamping machines were supposed to be laser controlled to perfectly align the track.

    Your comment reminded me of that old, but famous Fiat advertisement: "Designed by computers, built by robots, driven by Italians"!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 20, 2016, 07:55:53
    Nearly overslept this morning without my regular 'delays are occurring...' text message from GWR.  ;)


    ............the day is as yet young!  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 20, 2016, 08:32:42
    Not signals or points for once:
       
    "Due to congestion between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the high speed line.

    Impact:

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 20/10.

    There is congestion on the Up Main between Reading and Paddington caused by the following incidents:

    1A02 05.29 Bristol TM to Paddington ATP problems earlier at Maidenhead East

    1A03 06.00 Bristol TM to Paddington late presenation at Reading causing out of booked order running due to freight train overweight causing delays in the Swindon area."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 20, 2016, 08:56:40
    "Due to congestion between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the high speed line."

    Ah thanks for that, I was wondering why I trundled into Paddington 10 minutes late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 20, 2016, 09:52:43


    "Due to congestion between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the high speed line"
     
    How does the Thames Valley affect Ashford - St Pancras  ?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on October 20, 2016, 10:40:27
    Not signals or points for once:

    1A03 06.00 Bristol TM to Paddington late presenation at Reading causing out of booked order running due to freight train overweight causing delays in the Swindon area."[/i]
    Forgive the ignorance, but I thought all freight was automatically weighed as it left any yard?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 20, 2016, 10:44:18
    Just relaying the industry feed. No idea on the freight weight that made things late before eight, mate.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 20, 2016, 14:08:14
    Not signals or points for once:

    1A03 06.00 Bristol TM to Paddington late presenation at Reading causing out of booked order running due to freight train overweight causing delays in the Swindon area."[/i]
    Forgive the ignorance, but I thought all freight was automatically weighed as it left any yard?


    Not normally, apart from any other reason most freight yards are not equipped with weighbridges.
    The empty weight of all common types of freight wagons  are known, as are the maximum gross weights including contents.

    Wagons for loose loads like ballast are either marked with a maximum load line, or are designed to be of such cubic capacity that they are full up before the weight becomes excessive.

    I suspect that an overloaded freight train either contained more wagons than was planned for, or was perhaps of the normal weight but that an engine of inadequate capacity was sent, perhaps in error.
    It sometimes happens that a freight is diverted via a different route that has either a higher line speed or steeper gradients than the usual route.  The train is then overweight/underpowered for the diversionary route and delay thereby caused.
    A long and heavy freight that can only achieve say 40MPH on level track and 15 up a gradient, might be fine in Outer Worzelshire at 4AM but not near Paddington in the morning rush hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on October 20, 2016, 14:19:07
    Thank you broadguage, that clears up my muddled brain-cell; and apologies to BNM as I wasn't challenging your post in any way.  Just thought all freight weights were known before they left any yard, so was puzzled as to why the weight of a train wasn't known.  This error now cleared up.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: laird on October 20, 2016, 21:57:33
    The 0437 Whatley Quarry to Appleford Sidings does seem to adversely affect 1A02 and 1A03 when it runs late luckily it only runs on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm surprised at the specific cause given today, the practice seems to be to run the freight early to Westbury but it leaves late upsetting 1A03.

    Shame 1A02 also had the ATP problems between Maidenhead and Heathrow Airport Junction.

    1A03 running late meant 1K71 ended up gaining its passengers at Reading prompting a 60 second late departure which in turn meant it missed its slot at Heathrow Airport Junction and therefore had to wait for 1Y31 from Terminal 5 which whilst on time leaving Heathrow was itself delayed en-route to the junction.
    1K71 then also couldn't go in to its booked platform because the empty stock from 1A02 had been routed in to platform 9.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 20, 2016, 22:35:13
    The 0437 Whatley Quarry to Appleford Sidings does seem to adversely affect 1A02 and 1A03 when it runs late luckily it only runs on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm surprised at the specific cause given today, the practice seems to be to run the freight early to Westbury but it leaves late upsetting 1A03.

    Shame 1A02 also had the ATP problems between Maidenhead and Heathrow Airport Junction.

    1A03 running late meant 1K71 ended up gaining its passengers at Reading prompting a 60 second late departure which in turn meant it missed its slot at Heathrow Airport Junction and therefore had to wait for 1Y31 from Terminal 5 which whilst on time leaving Heathrow was itself delayed en-route to the junction.
    1K71 then also couldn't go in to its booked platform because the empty stock from 1A02 had been routed in to platform 9.
      .........
    amazing, that's exactly what I thought, took the words right out of my mouth!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 20, 2016, 22:38:27
    Just goes to show how every second can count otherwise a chain reaction can lead to significant delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2016, 09:43:41
    ........here we go again!  >:(


    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 90 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:30 23/10.
    Customer Advice
    Virgin Trains are conveying passengers between London Euston and Birmingham New Street in both directions until further notice.
    South West Trains are conveying passengers between Reading and London Waterloo in both directions until further notice.
    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Cross Country are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Midland are conveying passengers between Birmingham New Street and Worcester Shrub Hill in both directions until further notice.
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers between London Marylebone and Banbury in both directions until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 23, 2016, 09:57:38
    Axle Counter failure again.   :-\

    Wouldn't have been too bad, but there's an all day possession on the main lines so literally nowhere for anything to go until techs can sort the problem.  Points currently being secured so that trains can start moving (by being talked by one signal at danger in each direction).  NFL game at Twickenham means the Waterloo option is also complicated., but fortunate at least that it's happened early in the day rather than later on when many more are travelling.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 23, 2016, 10:05:25
    Down trains (heading away from London) now on the move as of 10:00.  As are up services as well at 10:10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2016, 10:19:10
    Sounds like the recovery will be long and painful...........

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on all London Paddington lines.
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled, delayed by up to 75 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 23/10.
    This is due to an axle counter failure at Maidenhead. Lines have reopened at Maidenhead however trains are having to be talked past signals on both lines due to the failure. Delays are to be expected.


    This won't help either;

    Delays to services at Oxford

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time at Oxford:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:45 23/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 23, 2016, 10:40:57
    Services to London need to be 'talked by' two red signals so that will take twice as long as those heading away from London that just need the one talking by.  Trains are at least getting though now and will be less and less delayed as the backlog is worked through and the odd train cancelled to thin things out a little.  The 08:10 from Weston Super Mare to Paddington only lost 5 minutes through the section thanks to the generous Sunday timing allowances.

    You may have better things to do with your Sunday morning, but watching how the signallers are dealing with the issues on the map http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/slough can be quite fascinating...  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on October 23, 2016, 10:50:52
    You may have better things to do with your Sunday morning, but watching how the signallers are dealing with the issues on the map http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/slough can be quite fascinating...  ;)

    More important things, maybe, but they can wait.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2016, 10:56:02
    You may have better things to do with your Sunday morning, but watching how the signallers are dealing with the issues on the map http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/slough can be quite fascinating...  ;)

    More important things, maybe, but they can wait.

    Sadly I am being "talked by" the sofa through the back door to mow the lawn. Delays and cancellations are not an option.

    I would be interested in what is being done to sort out the axle counter issue though, I remember not so long ago it was being flagged as a panacea to all the signal failures that were occurring, now it seems to be pretty much a daily event.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on October 23, 2016, 11:00:35
    Sadly I am being "talked by" the sofa through the back door to mow the lawn. Delays and cancellations are not an option.

     ;D

    At least I have a morning with a chain saw to amuse myself. After another cuppa, maybe. It's in the planning...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 23, 2016, 12:10:11
    I would be interested in what is being done to sort out the axle counter issue though, I remember not so long ago it was being flagged as a panacea to all the signal failures that were occurring, now it seems to be pretty much a daily event.

    As I suspected in this instance it was due to the large amount of engineering work in preparation for electrification and the layout changes at Maidenhead this Christmas - we've discussed those on the Crossrail thread.  Piling had caused damage to the sensitive axle counter equipment.  Another reminder of how difficult it is to do complex work on an operational railway.  Expect more instances of similar disruption until all the work is completed during next year.  Hopefully after that it'll settle down and be reliable, but I'm having my doubts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on October 23, 2016, 13:07:24
    At least I have a morning with a chain saw to amuse myself. After another cuppa, maybe. It's in the planning...

    Who'd be a prophet, eh? Anyone know a chainsaw mender?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on October 24, 2016, 01:12:43
    Piling had caused damage to the sensitive axle counter equipment.
    .... and to BT Openreach cables. Still no broadband for many in West Drayton & Uxbridge.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 26, 2016, 19:25:54
    Day after day after day....... Delays to services between Newbury and Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 27/10.
    Last Updated:26/10/2016 13:15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 26, 2016, 21:19:17
    Disruption is expected until 16:00 27/10.
    Last Updated:26/10/2016 13:15

    Disruption expected for >24hrs?!?!?  Not good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IanL on October 27, 2016, 14:21:35
    And this morning at Worcester, trains cancelled along the Cotswold line due to signal failures.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 27, 2016, 15:38:18
    Getting far beyond a joke now.....I'm at Slough and there are far chunkier delays than 10 minutes. I wonder if there's any chance of an incident free day anytime soon?                       Delays & Cancellations between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Hanwell will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 27, 2016, 15:40:27
    Getting far beyond a joke now.....I'm at Slough and there are far chunkier delays than 10 minutes. I wonder if there's any chance of an incident free day anytime soon? Delays & Cancellations between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Hanwell will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/10.

    Good thing I can claim this on delay repay.  Oh, wait...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 28, 2016, 17:35:58
    Something is knackered outside Paddington. It's taken 15 minutes to get almost nowhere.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 28, 2016, 17:58:48
    Agreed.  17.49 to Worcester was 6mins late moving from the platform 'due to signal problems' and isn't moving very fast yet.
    At first I attributed this to the 'Intercity' unit being used - I haven't seen a blue white and red unit for quite some time. 😳


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on October 29, 2016, 00:18:06
    Agreed.  17.49 to Worcester was 6mins late moving from the platform 'due to signal problems' and isn't moving very fast yet.
    At first I attributed this to the 'Intercity' unit being used - I haven't seen a blue white and red unit for quite some time. 😳

    Blue, white and red? Is Network South East still going? ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2016, 09:52:22
    .....now stretched out to over 24 hours;

    Cancellations to services between Newbury and Bedwyn

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Bedwyn fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 30/10.

    Customer Advice
    Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Newbury and Bedwyn via Kintbury and Hungerford in both directions until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 29, 2016, 11:23:34
    Agreed.  17.49 to Worcester was 6mins late moving from the platform 'due to signal problems' and isn't moving very fast yet.
    At first I attributed this to the 'Intercity' unit being used - I haven't seen a blue white and red unit for quite some time. 😳

    Blue, white and red? Is Network South East still going? ;)

    It was last night. The unit was 'Great Western' if I recall correctly, and was labelled Intercity.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 29, 2016, 12:20:03
    It was last night. The unit was 'Great Western' if I recall correctly, and was labelled Intercity.

    That'd be this one. Heritage 'Swallow' livery celebrating 40 years of the High Speed Train (InterCity 125):

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/185_zpsgpogsoid.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2016, 12:23:47
    Agreed.  17.49 to Worcester was 6mins late moving from the platform 'due to signal problems' and isn't moving very fast yet.
    At first I attributed this to the 'Intercity' unit being used - I haven'ot seen a blue white and red unit for quite some time. 😳

    Blue, white and red? Is Network South East still going? ;)

    Blue?....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 29, 2016, 13:03:54
    It was last night. The unit was 'Great Western' if I recall correctly, and was labelled Intercity.

    That'd be this one. Heritage livery celebrating 40 years of the High Speed Train (InterCity 125):

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/185_zpsgpogsoid.jpg)

    That's the one


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 10, 2016, 16:41:29
    .......here we go again............

    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Twyford and Slough some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 10/11.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Customers for Maidenhead from Reading and Twyford are advised to circulate via Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 10, 2016, 18:22:24
    Looking at the Open Train Times website maps the signallers have put the words 'Evaluator Fail' in the Up Relief train describer berths.....so multiple axle counter section failures are the result ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 10, 2016, 18:28:48
    ..and as ever, the signallers find a resourceful way to show it.

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/twyaxle.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 10, 2016, 19:30:00
    Latest update now saying disruption  will continue until end of service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 10, 2016, 19:56:18
    Looking at the Open Train Times website maps the signallers have put the words 'Evaluator Fail' in the Up Relief train describer berths.....so multiple axle counter section failures are the result ::) :P
    I should have added that the Evaluator unit basically processes the axle counting for several sections to ensure the correct number of axles is counted out at the exit end of an individual section as were counted into it at the entrance end before the signalling system can treat the section as clear.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 10, 2016, 22:57:34
    And this evaluator was smoking like a good 'un apparently!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 11, 2016, 09:52:18
    Heard about this last night from GW staff. Suggested tha Evaluator caught fire!

    20:22 ex Padd on time connected with Taplow train at Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 11, 2016, 09:59:34
    And this evaluator was smoking like a good 'un apparently!

    By reputation they* are very reliable in the native territory (Germany) - much more so than track circuits. So what are NR's S&T guys doing to ours to make them catch fire?

    * Thales Az LM - Az for  Achszahler, with an umlaut that I've left off as the forum's bad fairies will only steal it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 11, 2016, 15:55:10
    Nothing on Journeycheck but a fair number of westbound services from Reading showing late on National Rail Enquires Live Departures as "this train has been delayed by a fault with the signalling system" at the moment...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on November 11, 2016, 16:00:33
    Failed freight train apparently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 11, 2016, 16:09:28
    Due to a points failure at Hanwell some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 11/11.



    Now miraculously fixed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 15, 2016, 16:17:13
    Not entirely Thames Valley but:

    Cancellations to services at Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a broken down train earlier today at Hayes & Harlington the line towards London Paddington is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:00 15/11.


    Following urgent repairs to the track between Westbury and Trowbridge the line towards Westbury is now open.
    Impact:Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 15/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 15, 2016, 19:59:48
    And this evening....

    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 15/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 27, 2016, 12:51:02
    Apparently this morning's engineering blockade between Reading and Paddington which was due to finish at 1230 has overrun with no current estimate as to when it will be lifted. Presumably the rail replacement buses have already stopped as planned?

    EDIT: Tweet just now from GWRHelp: "Alternative transport cannot be arranged for all services so current advice is to hold off on travel".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jdw.wor on November 27, 2016, 13:27:13
    My wife was at Paddington (going to Worcester) and has suffered the problems.  As the first train out of Paddington to Reading was the 1202 (I think)Cardiff I hope the works were due to finish before 1230.

    If anyone connected with this issue at GWR or NR is reading this please help me understand and let me know the following

    a) When was it known there would be an overrun and how long was it expected to be.
    b) Why were contingency plans not arranged immediately (on knowing of a delay) and their outcome transmitted to the staff at Paddington in time. (at 1240 my wife was told that no arrangements had been confirmed with Virgin (despite her asking to travel via Marylebone to Birmingham Moor St and on to Worcester). She has now been told to travel via Oxford Parkway with no guarantee a train will be in place at Oxford for onward travel. I suspect (hope) one of the up Worcesters may be terminated short to provide a service but, again, no one had a clue

    It would be only fair to point out that I have had close connections with issues such as these in the past and I find it hard to understand that Paddington information staff had nothing to offer at 1230 other than "trains are delayed please wait for further information"

    Also can we do something about the information that is put on GWR website when things such as this occur. Today the first information was loaded after the first train was due to have left and the HEADLINE said trains were delayed between Slough and Southall. To the average uninformed passenger this does not mean the railway between London and Reading is closed.

    I still am heavily pro rail but this continuing inability to provide timely and reasonably accurate information in such situations tests my faith (and I do know how complicated the problems are)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 27, 2016, 13:43:18
    We took our neighbours to Slough for the 12:40 (10:23 ex Worcester Foregate Street) AXED at Reading!

    Just heard from them they are a bus from Slough to Padd.

    So quite quick reaction from GWR. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jdw.wor on November 27, 2016, 14:47:16
    Chiltern came up trumps and got my wife to Oxford for 14.30 only to find the 14.52 to Worcester is cancelled and the following 15.52 is "delayed". As she is now 2hrs+ late I am hoping a taxi will be provided.

    Just been phoned to tell me that a cab has been arranged and that Oxford staff have treated her well, both with information and civility. Thank you Oxford


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jdw.wor on November 27, 2016, 15:13:17
    My last post on this subject!
    At 1508 the first page of the GWR website still says there are no trains between Paddington and Reading (there are) whilst another, further in the site, says trains are returning to normal. Unfortunately the last paragraph of this page completely  contradicts it be re-asserting that the line is closed. Who is responsible for this information and does it not get checked!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2016, 15:32:50
    I'm guessing this is the contradictory message you are referring to (italicised)

    Following earlier engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and London Paddington all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:30 27/11.
    Customer Advice
    Chiltern Railways, Cross Country and South West Trains are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses  are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Additional Information
    Services are resuming operation on routes between London Paddington and Reading but for the next couple of hours these are expected to be very busy owing to the extent of disruption and we thank you for your patience and understanding of the situation.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Owing to engineering work in the Maidenhead area not being completed on time we are currently unable to operate any train service between London Paddington and Reading until further notice, including the local branch lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 27, 2016, 21:30:00
    Doesn't bode well for Xmas/New Year when there's 10 times more work going on.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2016, 21:58:25
    Doesn't bode well for Xmas/New Year when there's 10 times more work going on.

    Except that there's only one ending to ten times the work.   Question is - are over-runs naturally serial (cumulative) or parallel (concurrent)?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 27, 2016, 22:10:18
    Question is - are over-runs naturally serial (cumulative) or parallel (concurrent)?

    No, you're doing my head in now!  ;) :D ;D



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 29, 2016, 08:51:09
    So I woke up to quite a mixed bag this morning, now mostly cleared

    No service between Bourne End and Marlow

    Signalling fault with the between Reading and Slough

    Track closures at Didcot


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on November 29, 2016, 09:42:28
    You can add in a broken down train at Twyford this morning, which caused yet further delays. It got going eventually.

    By the way, does anyone know why the 0625 from Banbury is constantly being delayed/held at Didcot ? It forms the 0738 from Goring and I can't remember the last time it was actually on time, its been anything from 3-10 minutes late almost constantly for months ?

    I know why this morning (multiple HST services came down the relief lines), but the other days it seems to be on time at Didcot, but then leaves late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 29, 2016, 11:57:49
    By the way, does anyone know why the 0625 from Banbury is constantly being delayed/held at Didcot ? It forms the 0738 from Goring and I can't remember the last time it was actually on time, its been anything from 3-10 minutes late almost constantly for months ?

    I know why this morning (multiple HST services came down the relief lines), but the other days it seems to be on time at Didcot, but then leaves late.

    The same thing often seems to happen about an hour earlier with the 0550 from Oxford which I get from Twyford at 0653 (it calls Goring at 0630). It too is quite frequently held at Didcot and most annoyingly if it arrives there a few minutes late it often also leaves a few minutes late even though it's scheduled to wait there for 11 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on November 29, 2016, 13:08:50
    Quote
    By the way, does anyone know why the 0625 from Banbury is constantly being delayed/held at Didcot ?

    Flicking back through it appears to be the XC service 06:04 from Birmingham which the turbo waits at Didcot for that causes the problem, which is caused in itself by the occasional late running of the 05:53 Birmingham to Euston which runs semi-fast to Coventry and holds up the XC.

    Until the XC has gone round the curve at Didcot, assuming it's only a small delay then the turbo gets held at Didcot.

    So blame services that are 100 miles away for your train being delayed  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 29, 2016, 13:31:14
    Until the XC has gone round the curve at Didcot, assuming it's only a small delay then the turbo gets held at Didcot.

    So blame services that are 100 miles away for your train being delayed  ::)

    The congestion at Didcot is slowly getting worse as more and more trains are squeezed through.  Although there's less freight trains overall due to the drastic reduction in coal trains, the number of freight movements through Didcot seems to increase year on year.  I've mentioned it before, but now Reading has been largely sorted, Didcot is the new pinch-point and a grade separated junction east of the station is looking likely to be the best solution, and would be more beneficial IMHO than 4-tracking Didcot to Oxford which has been getting some mentions recently.  Both would be nice of course!

    You only have to watch the opentraintimes map to see how the London bound stoppers are often delayed by a few minutes (at least half of them I would say) waiting for either delayed XC trains in either direction or for freights to pass by, or (worst of the lot) for a freight to crawl into Didcot Yard.  The performance implications don't get highlighted as much as they might - most of the stoppers have five or so minutes layover at Reading - but that's not much consolation to users of the Thames Valley stations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2016, 15:39:01
    I was later this morning and heading to Reading but I understand that there was nothing London bound from Taplow till around 0730?

    One poor chap on Twitter had been there since 0530 and was asking for hot drinks and blankets by 0700!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 29, 2016, 15:40:48
    Understand several trains from Taplow to Reading cancelled during the morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2016, 15:46:14
    Understand several trains from Taplow to Reading cancelled during the morning.

    I got the 0822 to Reading which (as always) was about 5 mins late and I noticed a few other 10-15 minute delays heading West but no cancellations (unless it was the earliest services), think it was London bound that suffered more?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 29, 2016, 16:06:52
    I was later this morning and heading to Reading but I understand that there was nothing London bound from Taplow till around 0730?

    One poor chap on Twitter had been there since 0530 and was asking for hot drinks and blankets by 0700!!!

    Bit of a mystery that one, as realtimetrains and my internal system reports plenty of departures - though mostly delayed:

    There was nothing until 06:26 when the 06:00 departed, and was followed by the 06:24 departing at 06:28, the 06:32 departed at 06:38, the 06:57 departed at 07:00, and additional stop on one that departed at 07:26, and the 07:27 departed at 07:37.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2016, 16:17:41
    time flies when you're having 'fun' (telling your mates)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 29, 2016, 16:33:34
    Looking at RTT, every Up stopper scheduled to call at Taplow before 0730 this morning is shown as having called at platform 2 (the Up Main) with the exception of the 0600 which called at platform 4 at 0626. Maybe a lack of information at the station for the chap on Twitter? Or perhaps these trains didn't actually stop in order to keep the UM moving?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2016, 16:35:22
    I was later this morning and heading to Reading but I understand that there was nothing London bound from Taplow till around 0730?

    One poor chap on Twitter had been there since 0530 and was asking for hot drinks and blankets by 0700!!!

    Bit of a mystery that one, as realtimetrains and my internal system reports plenty of departures - though mostly delayed:

    There was nothing until 06:26 when the 06:00 departed, and was followed by the 06:24 departing at 06:28, the 06:32 departed at 06:38, the 06:57 departed at 07:00, and additional stop on one that departed at 07:26, and the 07:27 departed at 07:37.
    .....Nothing for the first hour, GWR Twitter apologised for the 0624 being cancelled, and the 0657 was announced as cancelled at the last minute & then roared through without stopping (again apologies given for poor comms), guess the additional stop was to make up for it? Hypothermia seems to be affecting everything!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2016, 16:37:35
    Looking at RTT, every Up stopper scheduled to call at Taplow before 0730 this morning is shown as having called at platform 2 (the Up Main) with the exception of the 0600 which called at platform 4 at 0626. Maybe a lack of information at the station for the chap on Twitter? Or perhaps these trains didn't actually stop in order to keep the UM moving?
    Nothing stops at Platform 2 at Taplow so I think the answer to your last question is "yes".......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 29, 2016, 16:46:09
    Until the XC has gone round the curve at Didcot, assuming it's only a small delay then the turbo gets held at Didcot.

    So blame services that are 100 miles away for your train being delayed  ::)

    The congestion at Didcot is slowly getting worse as more and more trains are squeezed through.  Although there's less freight trains overall due to the drastic reduction in coal trains, the number of freight movements through Didcot seems to increase year on year.  I've mentioned it before, but now Reading has been largely sorted, Didcot is the new pinch-point and a grade separated junction east of the station is looking likely to be the best solution, and would be more beneficial IMHO than 4-tracking Didcot to Oxford which has been getting some mentions recently.  Both would be nice of course!

    You only have to watch the opentraintimes map to see how the London bound stoppers are often delayed by a few minutes (at least half of them I would say) waiting for either delayed XC trains in either direction or for freights to pass by, or (worst of the lot) for a freight to crawl into Didcot Yard.  The performance implications don't get highlighted as much as they might - most of the stoppers have five or so minutes layover at Reading - but that's not much consolation to users of the Thames Valley stations.

    … a problem which, as a Thames Valley station user, I’ve moaned about here many times before.  The benefits of electrification will be lost unless NR can produce a more resilient timetable which is more able to recover from delays and which doesn’t condemn stopping trains in the Thames Valley to being delayed, for example, by late running stopping trains 100 miles away in the West Midlands.

    Just because a line is busy doesn't mean you can't build in some timetable resilience.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 29, 2016, 16:52:49
    Looking at RTT, every Up stopper scheduled to call at Taplow before 0730 this morning is shown as having called at platform 2 (the Up Main) with the exception of the 0600 which called at platform 4 at 0626. Maybe a lack of information at the station for the chap on Twitter? Or perhaps these trains didn't actually stop in order to keep the UM moving?
    Nothing stops at Platform 2 at Taplow so I think the answer to your last question is "yes".......

    Yes, platforms 1 and 2 are out of use.  Too low and in a poor state of repair so deemed uneconomical to bring back up to scratch.  Could well be that a few of those I quoted missed Taplow, though that wasn't registered on Tyrellcheck/Genius so a bit of a puzzle, but if they were running ML they won't have called at Taplow - or Burnham which is FAR busier!

    There's a massive difference for a commuter station like Taplow having no trains until 06:30 or 07:30 mind you, so hopefully it was the former.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on November 29, 2016, 22:15:56
    Flicking back through it appears to be the XC service 06:04 from Birmingham which the turbo waits at Didcot for that causes the problem, which is caused in itself by the occasional late running of the 05:53 Birmingham to Euston which runs semi-fast to Coventry and holds up the XC.

    Until the XC has gone round the curve at Didcot, assuming it's only a small delay then the turbo gets held at Didcot.

    So blame services that are 100 miles away for your train being delayed  ::)

    Hehe, nice. Thanks for that though! I have noticed the XC come through on the relief line a few times, but never put two and two together (I don't function properly until after 9am ;) ).

    I did have a poke around on recenttraintimes.co.uk I think it was, and (if I read it right), for the past 12 weeks the punctuality was just 74% for this service  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 30, 2016, 11:56:54
    Flicking back through it appears to be the XC service 06:04 from Birmingham which the turbo waits at Didcot for that causes the problem, which is caused in itself by the occasional late running of the 05:53 Birmingham to Euston which runs semi-fast to Coventry and holds up the XC.

    Until the XC has gone round the curve at Didcot, assuming it's only a small delay then the turbo gets held at Didcot.

    So blame services that are 100 miles away for your train being delayed  ::)

    Hehe, nice. Thanks for that though! I have noticed the XC come through on the relief line a few times, but never put two and two together (I don't function properly until after 9am ;) ).

    I did have a poke around on recenttraintimes.co.uk I think it was, and (if I read it right), for the past 12 weeks the punctuality was just 74% for this service  :o

    I didn't get the 0653 from TWY today (0550 from OXF) but I see from RTT that it arrived at DID 5 minutes late, was still 2 minutes late leaving in spite of the scheduled 11-minute stop there, then lost a further 6 minutes between there and Cholsey. I can't see any obvious reason for that but the preceding service from OXF (the 0543 from there) was held at DID for 8 minutes instead of its scheduled 2 so something must have got in the way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on November 30, 2016, 15:24:47
    Quote
    I didn't get the 0653 from TWY today (0550 from OXF) but I see from RTT that it arrived at DID 5 minutes late, was still 2 minutes late leaving in spite of the scheduled 11-minute stop there, then lost a further 6 minutes between there and Cholsey. I can't see any obvious reason for that but the preceding service from OXF (the 0543 from there) was held at DID for 8 minutes instead of its scheduled 2 so something must have got in the way.

    There appears to have been a problem on the relief lines between Tilehurst and Didcot between around 05:30 and 06:30 which resulted in trains using the mains including all freights and a stopper each way (missing Pangbourne obviously). The 05:50 from Oxford was the first one to be routed 'correctly'


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on November 30, 2016, 17:24:12
    The lack of capacity at Didcot has a major impact on the growth of rail use in Oxfordshire. There are many West Oxon residents that work in the Didcot area but only a minor proportion use rail from the Cotswold Line to Didcot to commute. This is because almost no CL trains serve Didcot and require users to change at Oxford with very poor unguaranteed connections. My daughter is one of these and she now uses her car (as do most other people) on the ever increasingly congested A34. It is however usuall quicker from Hanborough than using the rail service.increasing the Oxford/Didcot line capacity with the suggested additional platforms on the Didcot loop could be a major improvement increasing the viability of rail use.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 02, 2016, 14:33:19
    Didcot is a growing travel-to-work destination as well as a travel-from. Maybe the service patterns need to keep up with this.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 02, 2016, 22:27:29
    Travelled on 11:08 Taplow Padd and 15:42 Padd Taplow both prety much on time!

    Saw Duchess of Sutherland and 46100 (Scot) both in steam at Southall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on December 05, 2016, 12:28:00
    And the new week starts with:

    Alterations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Oxford.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 06/12.

    edit - it's got worse... now delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 06/12

    and

    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Slough
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and Slough some lines are now open.
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 05/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2016, 07:58:36
    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 07/12.

    -loads of cancellations London bound between Reading and Slough. This will not be a good morning..........again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 07, 2016, 08:43:17
    Another awful commute. Actual delays are in the order of 35 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 14, 2016, 16:39:03
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 14/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2016, 08:26:22
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Following a person being hit by a train between London Paddington and Slough all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 17/12.

    Must have been very early this morning, awful at any time of year but even worse at Christmas, thoughts with all affected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 17, 2016, 08:51:48
    Prior to 0600 I think...trains from Oxford around that time were cancelled.

    Journeycheck saying lines open, service slowly recovering @ 0845


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 19, 2016, 08:32:38
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/12.
    Additional Information:
    There is a fault on the approach to Paddington station with the system that reports the position of trains to the signalman. This means that trains need to be stopped, and then proceed forward at caution through the affected section before resuming normal speed.
    The fault is affecting the London-bound slow line, but congestion may occur on the fast line also with trains diverted from the slow line around the failure.
    Network Rail Engineers are currently on site assessing the problem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: trainer on December 19, 2016, 09:08:22
    There is a fault on the approach to Paddington station with the system that reports the position of trains to the signalman.

    Is this a quotation from an official announcement? Is 'signalman' the official job description of the signallers on NR? Just wondering.  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 19, 2016, 09:32:37
    Perhaps there are no women staffing the workstations at that end of the route at TVSC in Didcot this morning.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 19, 2016, 10:01:18
    There is a fault on the approach to Paddington station with the system that reports the position of trains to the signalman.
    Is this a quotation from an official announcement? Is 'signalman' the official job description of the signallers on NR? Just wondering.  :)

    :) That was lifted from gwr.com and it's still there, delays until 10:00 now


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 19, 2016, 10:06:20
    'Signalman' and 'slow lines'.  Must be a Midland or North Western chap!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 19, 2016, 14:41:57
    I doubt the general commuter knows what Relief lines are - so no problem using 'slow' in this context! But Signaller, surely?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on December 22, 2016, 19:58:16
    Another wonderful day of multiple signal failures. Maybe I was just unlucky but my train in was cancelled 10 mins after it was due and my train home ran non-stop skipping the scheduled stops.

    Is there more work than usual happening in the Christmas run up or has this week just been worse than normal?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 23, 2016, 11:22:34
    Is there more work than usual happening in the Christmas run up or has this week just been worse than normal?

    Sounds about normal. today's 11:18 ex Reading stopper to Padd left Reading 6 late

    Just hope that all the work that affects running trains gets done over Christmas


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2017, 14:01:15
    Alterations to services between Slough and Ealing Broadway

    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Ealing Broadway some lines have now reopened.
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 04/01.


    ................they're not even being used yet are they?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2017, 14:04:42
    Hayes electric services....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2017, 14:27:54
    Hayes electric services....

    ..............not a very promising start?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2017, 14:30:31
    I think ChrisB is a little wide of the mark as the Hayes electric services use no new electric wires over what the existing Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services use.  Will try and find out the real reason...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 04, 2017, 14:36:23
    Is that an auto-generated public message? Whatever it was due to, I can't see any trains that were affected. Mind you, with only 10 minutes between the problem and its fixing (or rather the messages about them) it would be hard to spot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2017, 14:38:08
    I think ChrisB is a little wide of the mark as the Hayes electric services use no new electric wires over what the existing Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect services use.  Will try and find out the real reason...

    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Ealing Broadway some lines have now reopened.

    Where does it refer to new wires?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2017, 15:03:08
    Nowhere.  Although why mention Slough to Ealing Broadway if it's on the existing Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) network?  Also, the Hayes electrics seem to have been unaffected.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2017, 15:06:03
    So people know that they can still reach Slough from the west or Ealing Broadway from PAD?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2017, 15:17:21
    As suspected it was on the new section of Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) still to be commissioned, and no doubt still with temporary fixings.  From the NR log:

    13:22 Advised by TVSC Slough Signaller that a member of Balfour Beatty staff has requested the Up and Down relief lines blocked to allow him to access the overhead lines to tension the overhead line on the up relief 17m 18ch as it is touching the tops of trains.

    Not great that another bit of new kit is interfering with trains, but the disruption was minimal and again it's not a reflection of how durable the new kit will be when fully installed and commissioned.  If you are guessing ChrisB, perhaps indicate that with a question mark after your post like you did in your last reply?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2017, 15:27:39
    Because, if it had been the original OHLE, and there was nothing in that message to suggest otherwise, the answer to

    Alterations to services between Slough and Ealing Broadway

    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Ealing Broadway some lines have now reopened.
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 04/01.


    ................they're not even being used yet are they?

    Would have been as I stated.

    Thinking aloud, I accept the use of the question mark, but only because it may also have been the Connect services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2017, 15:54:45
    The question mark makes the world of difference - otherwise I'm sure most would have read that post taking it that you knew the cause, rather than making what turned out to be an inaccurate assumption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2017, 16:20:28
    More
    As suspected it was on the new section of OHLE still to be commissioned,

    So *not* between Ealing & Slough?

    Have you taken GWR to task as heavily as you did me? As they will surely have misled a *lot* more pax than the few reading my response.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2017, 16:26:13
    17m 18c is at Dolphin Junction.  That's between Ealing and Slough, so nothing to take task about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 05, 2017, 08:19:40
    Very slow running into Paddington this morning. This is due variously to a points failure at Ealing, a track safety inspection and a broken down train, according to gwr twitter.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on January 05, 2017, 09:49:12
    I was on the 7.17 Maidenhead to Paddington HST and we came to a halt rather sharply somewhere between Iver and West Drayton I believe. Apparently there were sparks seen on a train in front so the signaller stopped all trains and sent our driver to investigate.. That's what we were told anyway.. That delayed us by about 25 minutes in the end


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 05, 2017, 15:21:32
    "Cancellations to services at Oxford
     
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford all lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:45 05/01."

    Ho hum...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 05, 2017, 15:33:55
    "Cancellations to services at Oxford
     
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford all lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:45 05/01."

    Ho hum...

    Seems to be getting worse.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:45 05/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on January 05, 2017, 17:13:14
    No particular problem when the 15:22 Paddington - Great Malvern went through at 16:20. We were held for 8 minutes north of the station, but that was waiting for the single line at Wolvercote.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 05, 2017, 17:31:15
    No particular problem when the 15:22 Paddington - Great Malvern went through at 16:20. We were held for 8 minutes north of the station, but that was waiting for the single line at Wolvercote.

    Northbound seemed largely unaffected. It was southbound and Marylebone services that suffered delays and some cancellations. The 1522 PAD:GMV was held up by the usual knock-on effect from the 1322 Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street arriving late at Evesham.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 08, 2017, 11:52:19
    More weekend joy..............

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 23:00 08/01.
    Customer Advice
    Network Rail engineers have discovered some minor damage to a rail on the London-bound fast line in the Southall area. A speed restriction of 20mph has been imposed by engineers to ensure trains pass the site of the defect safely. The defect is due to be repaired after the close of service this evening.

    With the slow lines closed between West Drayton and London Paddington for planned engineering works, all London-bound trains have to pass through the speed restriction. This is causing congestion to build on the only remaining open line towards London.

    Some alterations to services and cancellations may be necessary to thin out the service over the affected section of line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 08, 2017, 17:02:22
    Sadly it gets even worse:

    Quote
    A person has been hit by a train at Ealing Broadway, services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. This is expected to continue until 18:15.


    Customer Advice:

    If you are a Great Western Railway customer, you may use your ticket on South West Trains and Chiltern Railways services via reasonable routes and also CrossCountry services between Banbury and Basingstoke.


    Heathrow Connect services are not running, you may use your ticket on London Underground Central and Piccadilly line services.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on January 08, 2017, 17:48:53
    Sadly it gets even worse:

    Quote

    ...you may use your ticket on London Underground Central and Piccadilly line services.


    Only until 6pm when the strike starts...  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 09, 2017, 08:53:28
    A landlip at Stroud this morning (according to Twitter) caused the cancellation of some services into Paddington.
    And a broken down Heathrow Express unit outside Paddington delayed my experience of the tube strike by a further 15 minutes ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 09, 2017, 08:59:59
    Biggest problem at Paddington was the failure of a Heathrow Express unit which blocked the exit road at Old Oak Common preventing empty HST sets getting into the station.

    The 05:18 to Swansea started at Swindon (using the High Speed Train (HST) which couldn't get to Cheltenham because of the landslip).
    The 06:30 and 07:00 to Bristol Temple Meads were both cancelled.
    The 07:30 ran
    The 08:00 was delayed leaving Paddington by half an hour and left just ahead of the 08:30.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 10, 2017, 14:37:40
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington. Disruption is expected until 16:30 10/01.

    Additional Information

    Due to a fault with the signalling system on the slow lines at Acton Main Line, Network Rail engineers have had to close the Reading-bound slow line to effect a repair. This closure is only anticipated to last around 30 minutes, but for this period of time trains will not be able to serve stations between London and Hayes.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on January 10, 2017, 15:22:33
    slow lines at Acton Main Line, Network Rail engineers have had to close the Reading-bound slow line to effect a repair.


    They should know better  ;D ;D
    W.E


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chopper1944 on January 10, 2017, 16:32:03
    As somebody who lives in the South West, on the few occasions that I travel into Paddington I am surprised at the lack of lines into Paddington when compared with say Waterloo. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable of the nature of the lines to/from Paddington but wonder would it be feasible/possible to increase the number of lines between Paddington to say Reading from 4 to 6?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 10, 2017, 16:40:26
    slow lines at Acton Main Line, Network Rail engineers have had to close the Reading-bound slow line to effect a repair.


    They should know better  ;D ;D
    W.E

    What should the lines be called in the future ... side thread / poll at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17868


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 10, 2017, 16:47:18
    Waterloo is 4 lines when you get out past Clapham Junction and Paddington is likewise 4 lines when you get beyond Old Oak Junction.  In the days that there were more than 5 trains a week from Paddington to and beyond Ruislip (services to places like Pwhelli and Birkenhead) it would have 'felt' much more like the Waterloo arrangement.  And I'm pretty sure that the Hot and Cold line use to be the Hammersmith Branch of the old GWR, with perhaps another 2 tracks?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on January 11, 2017, 16:37:37
    Waterloo is 4 lines when you get out past Clapham Junction and Paddington is likewise 4 lines when you get beyond Old Oak Junction.  In the days that there were more than 5 trains a week from Paddington to and beyond Ruislip (services to places like Pwhelli and Birkenhead) it would have 'felt' much more like the Waterloo arrangement.  And I'm pretty sure that the Hot and Cold line use to be the Hammersmith Branch of the old GWR, with perhaps another 2 tracks?

    I have an old map somewhere of the PAD arrangement, I think it mentions up and down city lines, (the electric service (when connected to BR)) and up and down carriage lines, when empty stock had to be taken out to OOC to be cleaned etc.
    It looked much more complicated than todays layout.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 11, 2017, 16:57:39
    I have an old map somewhere of the PAD arrangement, I think it mentions up and down city lines, (the electric service (when connected to BR)) and up and down carriage lines, when empty stock had to be taken out to OOC to be cleaned etc.
    It looked much more complicated than todays layout.

    By 1900 there was that huge goods station filling the whole space from Little Venice to the (now) H&C lines. Then there tracks for that, close-in sidings, engine sheds, and all manner of stuff a little further out. That's all gone, covered by new developments and the M4.

    But there were only five tracks under Ladbroke Grove, one of which looks to be just for access to sidings etc., compared to six now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on January 11, 2017, 17:16:19
    By 1900 there was that huge goods station filling the whole space from Little Venice to the (now) H&C lines. Then there tracks for that, close-in sidings, engine sheds, and all manner of stuff a little further out. That's all gone, covered by new developments and the M4.

    Do you mean the A40/Westway? The M4 ends in Chiswick which is somewhat to the south and west of the Paddington area...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 11, 2017, 17:25:08
    By 1900 there was that huge goods station filling the whole space from Little Venice to the (now) H&C lines. Then there tracks for that, close-in sidings, engine sheds, and all manner of stuff a little further out. That's all gone, covered by new developments and the M4.

    Do you mean the A40/Westway? The M4 ends in Chiswick which is somewhat to the south and west of the Paddington area...

    Yes, of course. All roads are the same if you don't need to go along therm!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 11, 2017, 18:13:36
    Trespasser at burnham.  Signals at caution. Everything very slow this evening.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 11, 2017, 21:38:32
    I have an old map somewhere of the PAD arrangement, I think it mentions up and down city lines, (the electric service (when connected to BR)) and up and down carriage lines, when empty stock had to be taken out to OOC to be cleaned etc.
    It looked much more complicated than todays layout.

    By 1900 there was that huge goods station filling the whole space from Little Venice to the (now) H&C lines. Then there tracks for that, close-in sidings, engine sheds, and all manner of stuff a little further out. That's all gone, covered by new developments and the M4.

    But there were only five tracks under Ladbroke Grove, one of which looks to be just for access to sidings etc., compared to six now.

    The lines through Royal Oak platforms were part of the suburban lines out of Paddington, originally the "main line" trains used platforms 13 and 16 at Paddington and the H & C used 14 and 15 this allowed for cross platform changes.

    TfL lease the track bed from NR from Paddington to Westbourne Park.

    Paddington was much more complex up to the late 60's when steam went the track layout was rationalised and then again in the 1990s for Hex also engine and coaches ceased to be the norm 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 11, 2017, 22:21:49
    The lines through Royal Oak platforms were part of the suburban lines out of Paddington, originally the "main line" trains used platforms 13 and 16 at Paddington and the H & C used 14 and 15 this allowed for cross platform changes.

    As you walk down 13/14 to 12 you walk pass over the link from 13, wider on the left as the H&C curves away. May be out of date due to work connecting 13 to 12.

    Also all four platforms were through platforms allowing through working from GWR onto the Circle Line. Latterly meat to Smithfield market via the link to the Widened lines at Faringdon, using the 97XX condensing tanks.
    It was also why the "Tanneroners" and the 97XX and the Boggits (117 DMUs) were fitted with tripcocks to run from Royal Oak to Padd 13 and 16.

    Don't forget the Crystal Palace loop from the Up E&C and Down Main to the H and C on the South side of Subway Junction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 12, 2017, 00:03:24
    The lines through Royal Oak platforms were part of the suburban lines out of Paddington, originally the "main line" trains used platforms 13 and 16 at Paddington and the H & C used 14 and 15 this allowed for cross platform changes.

    TfL lease the track bed from NR from Paddington to Westbourne Park.

    Paddington was much more complex up to the late 60's when steam went the track layout was rationalised and then again in the 1990s for Hex also engine and coaches ceased to be the norm 

    Well, it's certainly true that it was much more complex! But you can follow a track pair through (in 1900) from Bishops Road Station, via Royal Oak Station, through the underpass, and then through the Hammersmith platforms at Westbourne Park. There were four tracks past Old Oak from Paddington Station to their four platforms at Westbourne Park. And there was a pair linking Royal Oak platforms to the Relief lines through Westbourne Park. Of course there had to be, as trains ran from places like Windsor to Farringdon (or thereabouts) until well after that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 18, 2017, 08:21:14
    There have been engineering overruns at least twice this week impacting the early services into London (ie the ones I was trying to use to get into work early).

    Whilst not infrastructure, the broken down train at Twyford yesterday did not help and now this:

    Due to a broken down train between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/01.

    All in all a very lousy week. Again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 18, 2017, 12:48:38
    Slow High Speed Train's (HST)s this am past the house.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2017, 12:59:50
    Still 10-15 minute delays on local services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: autotank on January 18, 2017, 13:00:08
    Yes a very poor commute this morning. Not helped by some very questionable regulation in the Twyford area and short formed trains. The 0742 HOT-PAD 1P17 was just 2 coaches instead of the normal 4 and was full and standing coming off the branch, so could hardly take any of the many waiting at Twyford. It was held on the branch for no obvious reason and then given the route on to the up main through Ruscombe Junction whilst it stood at platform 4. It spent 4 minutes at the platform during which time a bit of a bottleneck formed on the up main further delaying 1A05, 1A04, and 1P19. It also held up the late running 1P16 on the up relief . I know it is easy to criticize, but it did seem rather odd to observe from the new staff information screen on the platform.

    I eventually got the 0826 which crawled into Paddington 26 late and an hour later than I intended. Does anyone know which was the broken down train? There was also talk of signalling problems between Reading-Maidenhead and over running engineering works...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 18, 2017, 21:24:00
    I eventually got the 0826 which crawled into Paddington 26 late and an hour later than I intended. Does anyone know which was the broken down train?

    Think it was 1L10 0528 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington which sat down on the Up Main at Acton Mainline for 50 odd minutes: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22451/2017/01/18/advanced


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2017, 07:43:28
    Alterations to services between Slough and Langley
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or running non stop. Disruption is expected until 08:00 20/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 21, 2017, 06:51:34
    With all these signalling problems, surely it must be a nightmare being a signaller? Some must dread coming to work. Of course, that is also the situation with passengers!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 21, 2017, 09:20:13
    With all these signalling problems, surely it must be a nightmare being a signaller? Some must dread coming to work. Of course, that is also the situation with passengers!

    I must admit that when I am stood on a freezing platform waiting for yet another delayed train, jumping up and down to keep warm and already anticipating the Boss tearing me a second one for being late (again), my first thought isn't always with the welfare of the signallers who are at least somewhere warm drinking tea.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 21, 2017, 11:17:50
    With all these signalling problems, surely it must be a nightmare being a signaller? Some must dread coming to work. Of course, that is also the situation with passengers!

    Some relish disruption as it makes the job more interesting.  The time certainly flies by...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 21, 2017, 13:07:58
    With all these signalling problems, surely it must be a nightmare being a signaller? Some must dread coming to work. Of course, that is also the situation with passengers!

    I must admit that when I am stood on a freezing platform waiting for yet another delayed train, jumping up and down to keep warm and already anticipating the Boss tearing me a second one for being late (again), my first thought isn't always with the welfare of the signallers who are at least somewhere warm drinking tea.  ;D

    But the there is the S & T engineers stood out on the track side in the freezing cold and or pouring rain trying to fix the fault


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 21, 2017, 13:11:26
    With all these signalling problems, surely it must be a nightmare being a signaller? Some must dread coming to work. Of course, that is also the situation with passengers!

    I must admit that when I am stood on a freezing platform waiting for yet another delayed train, jumping up and down to keep warm and already anticipating the Boss tearing me a second one for being late (again), my first thought isn't always with the welfare of the signallers who are at least somewhere warm drinking tea.  ;D
    But the there is the S & T engineers stood out on the track side in the freezing cold and or pouring rain trying to fix the fault

    Oh no we don't. From my second day on the railway I was told: "During rain, fog and falling snow into the cabin we shall go".

    Also, we do have the reputation amongst signallers of being the Sick and Tired department. ;) :D ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 06, 2017, 14:53:30
    "Cancellations to services at Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 06/02."


    Lots of late running westbound services through Reading atm


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 06, 2017, 20:40:24
    Not showing on JourneyCheck but a broken rail in the Twyford area causing delays at Reading. 1822 Paddington to Hereford 92 minutes late at Twyford and still not at Reading (currently 110 mins late)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 07, 2017, 13:21:12
    Getting to become a daily occurrence again...

    "Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Ealing Broadway and Slough. Iver and Langley will not be served. Disruption is expected until 15:30 07/02."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 13, 2017, 16:11:44
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Some stations between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 17:00 13/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 14, 2017, 12:50:35
    Another day and...

    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.

    Train services running through these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 14/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 28, 2017, 06:31:46
    Great start to the day;

    Cancellations to services at Hayes & Harlington


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2017, 16:44:12
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a problem currently under investigation between Reading and London Paddington the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 01/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 01, 2017, 16:54:59
    Interesting reason for that one, a car door was reported open on one of the car transporting freight trains!  Soon rectified though, so should cause few problems for this evening's rush hour - indeed some planned alterations were hastily rescinded when disruption didn't last as long as initially thought.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 02, 2017, 05:53:38
    Interesting reason for that one, a car door was reported open on one of the car transporting freight trains!  Soon rectified though, so should cause few problems for this evening's rush hour - indeed some planned alterations were hastily rescinded when disruption didn't last as long as initially thought.

    ......someone came up with an imaginative way to reduce overcrowding on trains....sit in cars instead?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on March 02, 2017, 07:38:05
    This mornings journeycheck:

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2017, 08:02:47
    End of the day? That's some over-run....anyone got the details?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 02, 2017, 08:30:17
    It currently says:

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice: A section of track outside London Paddington station requires some remedial work so that section of line is not available for use today. As a result fewer train services are able to be accommodated at London Paddington station which has necessitated some train service cancellations and alterations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 02, 2017, 08:43:50
    End of the day? That's some over-run....anyone got the details?

    I think the overrun was further West......this is just LTV's daily treat.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on March 02, 2017, 13:05:53
    End of the day? That's some over-run....anyone got the details?

    Cracked points on a crossover on Line 3 outside Paddington according to a poster on WNXX. Being replaced today so the crossover and part of Line 3 are closed hence the restrictions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2017, 11:42:12
    Today's daily treat.....

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Slough and Maidenhead the line towards Reading is disrupted.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Reading. Burnham and Taplow will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 06/03.
    Customer Advice
    A minor defect with the track has been discovered just to the West of Slough station, on the Reading-bound fast line.

    Trains may use other lines in the Slough area, or be cautioned over the affected section at a safe speed.

    Network Rail Engineering teams are being mobilised to effect repairs, and some thinning of the train service will be required from 12:00 to allow them access to the track. This is expected to last a maximum of 2 hours.

    Through services between London Paddington and Bedwyn in both directions will start/terminate at Reading. Customers should change at Reading for alternative train services.

    Local stopping services towards Reading will not call at Burnham or Taplow while repairs are carried out. Trains towards London Paddington are unaffected.

    Customers travelling TO these stations from the East should travel through to Maidenhead or Reading, and change at either of these stations for services back to Taplow or Burnham.

    Customers travelling FROM Burnham or Taplow wishing to travel West towards Maidenhead, Reading etc should take first available service to SLOUGH and change for Westbound services there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 06, 2017, 12:36:05
    Got turfed off my THA-PAD service at Reading at around 1125, but being Reading jumped on an HST to PAD within a few mins.

    We did slow to a crawl around 1 to 1.5 miles west of Slough, but were on the UM so not sure that was related.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 06, 2017, 15:22:02
    We did slow to a crawl around 1 to 1.5 miles west of Slough, but were on the UM so not sure that was related.

    Probably waiting for a train(s) to cross over in front of you from DM to DR at Slough West Junction I would imagine.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 07, 2017, 08:48:34
    Last updated: 08:47

        Delays to services at Slough
        Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
        Impact:     Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    ( Non-Infra

    Following a passenger being taken ill on a train between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington will be reopened shortly.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:45 07/03.

    )


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2017, 13:32:15
    We seem to be returning to a situation whereby there are significant/long lasting incidents on a daily basis.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 07, 2017, 17:48:57
    Had the situation been improving recently in your experience then, TG?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2017, 17:58:40
    Had the situation been improving recently in your experience then, TG?

    .....well I guess if you've experienced amoebic dysentery, then even regular diarrhoea  represents an improvement?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 07, 2017, 19:24:07
    ..enjoy your dinner....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2017, 20:41:48
    ..enjoy your dinner....

    .........all of a sudden the image/memories of a Casey Jones burger has hove into view...........as I recall you knew if you were drunk at Paddington because you'd order one, and you knew if you were REALLY hammered because you enjoyed it.........the effect on the digestive system is best left unsaid........... :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 07, 2017, 22:35:17
    .....well I guess if you've experienced amoebic dysentery, then even regular diarrhoea  represents an improvement?

    I dread to think what Southern commuters might have been popping to see their GP about over the last year then...  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on March 08, 2017, 01:05:39
    Beware the Ides of March!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 08, 2017, 05:50:34
    .....well I guess if you've experienced amoebic dysentery, then even regular diarrhoea  represents an improvement?

    I dread to think what Southern commuters might have been popping to see their GP about over the last year then...  ;)

    Unpleasant and persistent rumblings with foul emissions from the nether regions - commonly diagnosed as ASLEF/RMT syndrome........generally manifests itself whenever a pay rise is required.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 09, 2017, 08:32:12
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Swindon.

    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/03.

    Customer Advice:
    A fault has occurred with the signalling system just to the East of Didcot Parkway station. Trains on the Oxford/Swindon -bound Fast line have to be stopped and cautioned through the affected section at low speed. This is currently adding approximately 20 minutes to journey times.
    Local stopping services between Reading and Didcot are not affected by the failure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 10, 2017, 12:56:47
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:45 10/03.

    Additional Information

    A fault has occurred with the Signalling system on the Reading-bound slow line near Acton Main Line. As a result of this trains have to be brought to a stand and proceed through the affected section at caution.

    Network Rail engineers are on site attending to the failure, but in order to allow them access to the track the train service through the affected section has had to be reduced. This means services may diverted on to the fast line; run non-stop through certain stations or be cancelled throughout.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2017, 15:03:51
    Well, if nothing else it's been a consistent week (so far) with things going wrong with signals/track/points every day......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 10, 2017, 16:35:11
    Though, in the main, they've been fairly minor and not lasted very long at all.  As a commuter you probably wouldn't have been affected by most of them, or in pre-internet days you wouldn't even have known of them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2017, 18:13:10
    Though, in the main, they've been fairly minor and not lasted very long at all.  As a commuter you probably wouldn't have been affected by most of them, or in pre-internet days you wouldn't even have known of them.

    Have you ever considered a career in Marketing?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 10, 2017, 18:38:33
    Nope.  Just trying to debate from a balanced viewpoint.  For example, I can't find any delays into double digits from today's incident that charles_uk posted, and only a couple of cancellations on the Heathrow Connects.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 10, 2017, 20:52:22
    You never quite know how these things are going to develop. In this case, the incident was originally suggesting delays of 10 minutes and expected to last until 12pm, and then the disruption forecast was extended until 15.45 with 20 minute delays - clearly not as straightforward as originally anticipated. In the event, as IndustryInsider said, disruption was minimal.

    Main reason for posting, though, was I find this thread to be a useful resource to see whether the service has been particularly poor over a period or whether it's just a perception in my mind - it's good to have it as comprehensive as possible!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on March 10, 2017, 21:04:22
    It's certainly true that there is so much information available now that there will be much more awareness of issues, and maybe a perception that issues sorted relatively quickly are bigger than they actually are. That's particularly true for those of us who take an interest in the subject and are therefore looking at sites that impart such information whether or not it affects us.

    I'm even aware of examples of people not affected by an incident complaining about it and then getting compensation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2017, 21:45:25

    I'm even aware of examples of people not affected by an incident complaining about it and then getting compensation.

    Really? That's shocking - if you feel strongly about it perhaps you should report it to GWR?

    .......although you never know, it may take them 3 months to get back to you with the outcome of your enquiry, and in recognition of such a long delay they may make an unsolicited gesture in recognition of their poor customer service?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on March 10, 2017, 21:59:40
    I'm even aware of examples of people not affected by an incident complaining about it and then getting compensation.

    Examples? More than one? Care to share the details of them?

    Or just thinly veiled disapproval of another forum member's actions?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 10, 2017, 22:02:54

    .......although you never know, it may take them 3 months to get back to you with the outcome of your enquiry


    Three months? If only. I've been waiting four months for a reply to one query! But perhaps that's for another thread.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2017, 22:11:31

    .......although you never know, it may take them 3 months to get back to you with the outcome of your enquiry


    Three months? If only. I've been waiting four months for a reply to one query! But perhaps that's for another thread.

    Try referring it to Hopwood directly - that eventually catalysed some action on mine.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2017, 07:20:26
    Welcome to the new week.......

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 13/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 13, 2017, 09:23:44
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 13/03.

    Disruption now expected to 10:00am with 30 minute delays. A number of cancellations including a few fast services to Oxford well after the forecast end time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2017, 09:51:13
    Yes, some quite significant disruption caused this morning, delays of nearly an hour to some trains, though settling down a little now.  A failed Solid State Interlocking module affecting signals in the Hanwell area is the cause I believe.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2017, 10:10:50
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 13/03.

    Disruption now expected to 10:00am with 30 minute delays. A number of cancellations including a few fast services to Oxford well after the forecast end time.

    Disruption now expected until 11:00 am with 45 minute delays, so commuters and off peak travellers alike have been impacted.........were it not for the internet of course, all would be in blissful ignorance.......until they got to the station :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2017, 10:15:42
    Indeed, the internet has revolutionised the information passengers can obtain prior to arriving at the station.  Some passengers from stations between Twyford and London might have chosen to use SWT or Chiltern stations instead - and vice-versa when there are problems on those lines.  Forewarned is forearmed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on March 13, 2017, 10:17:49
    No trains running into or out of Didcot at the moment. I'm sat in one ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2017, 10:23:49
    Looks like it will be one of those days.  The new Oxford to Marylebone service will be proving very useful in keeping passengers from Oxford and the Cotswold Line moving into and out of London then!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2017, 10:24:44
    No trains running into or out of Didcot at the moment. I'm sat in one ...

    (Another) "one of those days"

    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway all lines are closed.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:15 13/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on March 13, 2017, 10:50:45
    Well I've come back home. To be fair some replacement buses were being put on to Reading and Oxford, but the former wouldn't have got me there in time. Glad really I was stuck in the station though and was able to do this rather than being outside it. May try again this afternoon if everything is mended ... indeed I see it may already have been to some extent.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2017, 11:08:12
    Yep, all open again, but it'll take some time to get rid of the residual delays from both that incident and the signalling problems at Hanwell.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IanL on March 13, 2017, 12:37:25
    Looks like it will be one of those days.  The new Oxford to Marylebone service will be proving very useful in keeping passengers from Oxford and the Cotswold Line moving into and out of London then!

    Except that some trains on the Cotswold line are being cancelled or starting at Oxford. This usually happens as soon as there is some disruption and they want to get the trains running back in some sort of regular schedule.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 13, 2017, 12:46:32
    Just the one return trip unless I'm missing something? The 09:20 PAD-WOF and return 12:06 WOF-PAD have been cancelled as far as Oxford on the return journey.  Additionally the 10:20 PAD-HFD is terminating at Worcester.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 16, 2017, 09:13:45
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Southall some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 16/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 16, 2017, 10:52:10
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Southall some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 16/03.

    Don't know whether it's an escalation of the above or a new incident but...

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:00 16/03.

    Additional Information


    Owing to signaling problems affecting a couple of running lines between London Paddington and Slough, we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on March 16, 2017, 10:53:07
    Main Lines still shown as blocked 10:45 Open train times.

    Signal 271 Down Main after Southall West Jn
    Signal 254 Up Main     after Southll West Jn


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 25, 2017, 06:01:58
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 10:00 25/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 26, 2017, 07:09:00
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended between Reading and Hayes & Harlington. All stations between Reading and Hayes & Harlington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.
    Customer Advice
    Network Rail are carrying out vital railway upgrade work between Reading and Hayes & Harlington which means there are changes to train services to and from London from 00:15 until 13:00.

    Some High Speed Services will be diverted, and replacement buses will run between Reading and Heathrow, for train services into London.

    Wherever possible, passengers should travel after 13:00. Tickets for earlier services will be accepted on all GWR services on Sunday.






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 26, 2017, 07:21:08
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington ...

    I note:

    Quote
    Services to and from Bristol Temple Meads: An hourly train service will run between Bristol Temple Meads and Oxford.

    Another good idea that should be a permanent addition to the timetable!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 26, 2017, 07:27:47
    Not enough paths Oxford-Didcot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 26, 2017, 08:29:35
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended between Reading and Hayes & Harlington. All stations between Reading and Hayes & Harlington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.
    Customer Advice
    Network Rail are carrying out vital railway upgrade work between Reading and Hayes & Harlington which means there are changes to train services to and from London from 00:15 until 13:00.

    Some High Speed Services will be diverted, and replacement buses will run between Reading and Heathrow, for train services into London.

    Wherever possible, passengers should travel after 13:00. Tickets for earlier services will be accepted on all GWR services on Sunday.






    Think the electrification testing might be over running a tad  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 26, 2017, 08:35:45
    Not enough paths Oxford-Didcot.

    That's not as black and white as your comment implies.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 26, 2017, 09:06:19
    Quote
    Think the electrification testing might be over running a tad  ???
    No, the line has always been planned to open at 13:00, the first from Paddington SHOULD be the 12:47 to Port Talbot

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Not really disruption, more like planned disruption as discussed here (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18114.0)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on March 26, 2017, 09:15:51
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended between Reading and Hayes & Harlington. All stations between Reading and Hayes & Harlington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 26/03.
    Customer Advice
    Network Rail are carrying out vital railway upgrade work between Reading and Hayes & Harlington which means there are changes to train services to and from London from 00:15 until 13:00.

    Some High Speed Services will be diverted, and replacement buses will run between Reading and Heathrow, for train services into London.

    Wherever possible, passengers should travel after 13:00. Tickets for earlier services will be accepted on all GWR services on Sunday.

    This is not 'new' - I heard about this at the beginning of last week (it has been on GWR.com all that time)!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 26, 2017, 10:36:46
    Put in that section of the website as it wasn't part of planned engineering work.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on March 26, 2017, 11:12:29
    Wondered why I hadn't heard any trains this am.

    So used to them that it takes a while to realise that they are not running. Tend to pick up disruption quicker to due to slow running High Speed Train (HST) s are much noisier at slower speed.

    Open train times map for Hayes Twyford is blank apart from something in the siding at Maidenhead.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 26, 2017, 14:48:48
    Open train times map for Hayes Twyford is blank apart from something in the siding at Maidenhead.
    Thats a reminder for a 3187 Form.  That form indicates that the signalling equipment is signed out of use. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on March 26, 2017, 15:15:35
    Open train times map for Hayes Twyford is blank apart from something in the siding at Maidenhead.
    Thats a reminder for a 3187 Form.  That form indicates that the signalling equipment is signed out of use. ;)

    Thanks wondered what it was.

    Trains now running


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 26, 2017, 15:54:11
    Open train times map for Hayes Twyford is blank apart from something in the siding at Maidenhead.

    The something in the sidings at Maidenhead may have been the electrification test train, the test train likely to be a diesel with one or two electric locos to act as a load bank, part of the energisation testing is a "Directional Check" on the Distance Protection Relays; these relays have both current and voltage inputs and use the phase angle between them to determine the direction of power flow this is needed because a fault can be feed by multiple circuit breakers the power flow direction is blocked in load flow reverse.  The other tests are the Vl / Vt (Voltage longitudinal / Voltage transverse) tests required by telecoms.

    The test train will have operated in a special rules possession, been involved in quite a few of these type tests over the years, but not this testing though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 26, 2017, 16:57:26
    The 3187 description has been stuck in there since the signalling 'commissioning' at xmas/new year 2016/2017 ;)  I think II told us in another thread that the physical construction hasn't been completed yet.  Anybody got a photograph as it would be nice to see whats been done at Maidenhead (no good looking out of a train window at 125mph)?  ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 26, 2017, 19:06:32
    The 3187 description has been stuck in there since the signalling 'commissioning' at xmas/new year 2016/2017 ;)  I think II told us in another thread that the physical construction hasn't been completed yet.  Anybody got a photograph as it would be nice to see whats been done at Maidenhead (no good looking out of a train window at 125mph)?  ::) :P

    It not always easy to see even from a photo if the OLE is complete; things like OLE switches can be in place but the blades may not be aligned, cross track feeder drapes not in place, tails from cable palm plates to OLE drapes not in place, contact wire registration and height. The one that cannot physically be seen is SCADA (SCADA is the smart dancing pixies that control the large angry pixies in the OLE)  ;D

    Having said all that, I feel they may be in a position where they can commission an OLE system, it might not be in its final configuration, but would be sufficient to operate the initial May timetable services to Maidenhead as it has a limited number of trains


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 26, 2017, 20:14:26
    Rather surprisingly, as of yesterday at least, platform 5 at Maidenhead hadn't been fitted with contact wire.  Unless it was done last night prior to today's testing?  That platform will need to be available for the May electric service to give a certain amount of flexibility.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 26, 2017, 20:42:48
    Rather surprisingly, as of yesterday at least, platform 5 at Maidenhead hadn't been fitted with contact wire.  Unless it was done last night prior to today's testing?  That platform will need to be available for the May electric service to give a certain amount of flexibility.

    A wire run like that does not take much to install, it would not stop the key commissioning of section proving. protection relay directional tests and Vl / Vt test


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on March 26, 2017, 22:40:55
    Not enough paths Oxford-Didcot.

    That's not as black and white as your comment implies.

    I noticed from Real Time Trains that the services used Didcot West Curve rather than into Didcot Parkway then reverse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 26, 2017, 23:46:50
    Not enough paths Oxford-Didcot.

    That's not as black and white as your comment implies.

    I noticed from Real Time Trains that the services used Didcot West Curve rather than into Didcot Parkway then reverse.

    When local (electric) trains from London terminate at Didcot and there's a shuttle from there to Oxford, might it not be logical to start that shuttle back at Bristol and reverse at Didcot - it then doubles up as the local connector and the Oxford to the West service, tapping the Oxford to Swindon market and not taking an extra paths.  Should a Wantage station open at some date in the future, it's also an enabling service that would provide a useful connection to London at Didcot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 27, 2017, 10:12:25
    Reported on twitter that energisation of wires happened over the weekend from Airport Junction to Maidenhead. The 387s won't reach Maidenhead in service until the May17 timetable change however.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 28, 2017, 07:38:10
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.

    Todays daily delay......Currently sitting on 0702 from Maidenhead, roughly 30 minutes late.....still a fair way from Paddington and crawling along (.....the train, not me)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 28, 2017, 08:48:55
    18 minutes late for me on 1L10. There are some mutterings on Twitter about a broken down train as well as the inevitable signalling problems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on March 28, 2017, 08:51:35
    From Journey Planner:

    Quote
    Following congestion between Slough and London Paddington all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:45 28/03.
    Further Information
    The combination of earlier signalling problems in the Hayes area and a broken down train outside London Paddington have resulted in some congestion in the area.

    Hope it helps.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 28, 2017, 08:56:03
    TG's train arrived 23 minutes late, so that along with Jason's 18 minute late arrival were typical of many services this morning.  Roll on DelayRepay15...!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 28, 2017, 11:56:39
    The 3187 description has been stuck in there since the signalling 'commissioning' at xmas/new year 2016/2017 ;)  I think II told us in another thread that the physical construction hasn't been completed yet.  Anybody got a photograph as it would be nice to see whats been done at Maidenhead (no good looking out of a train window at 125mph)?  ::) :P

    No photos sadly, but I can confirm the current state of play:

    1) Station area:  Wires up throughout station area (and now assumed live) except for the London end of Platform 5 through to Maidenhead East Junction.
    2) Turnback siding:  Wires are up on the turnback siding and signalling is installed, but there's no track beyond the S&C as yet - I heard it was to be installed during April, so presumably Easter weekend.
    3) Stabling sidings:  No wires on any of them yet, though all other OHLE fixtures and fitting seem to be installed.  First two sidings are 'open' and signalled, the others all have rails and are ballasted but signalling work remains to be installed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 28, 2017, 18:02:16
    TG's train arrived 23 minutes late, so that along with Jason's 18 minute late arrival were typical of many services this morning.  Roll on DelayRepay15...!

    I just want the trains to run on time reliably, that's all....signal failures are a virtually daily occurrence now in LTV, despite all the promises going back years......weather marginally warmer today, wonder how long it'll be before the mass cancellations & delays caused by "poor rail conditions " add to the fun?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 28, 2017, 20:35:54
    I have continued the discussion on Maidenhead here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5066.msg211985#msg211985


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 29, 2017, 17:17:40
    With thanks for the suggestions, I'm now going to do a bit of 'moving and merging' of some recent posts on this topic.  CfN.  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 31, 2017, 07:41:26
    Disruption between Reading and London Paddington expected until 08:30
    Last updated: 07:23 31/03/2017
    Incident created: 31/03/2017 07:22
    Route affected
    Between Cheltenham Spa / Bedwyn / Newbury / Oxford / Reading and London Paddington
    Train operator affected
    Great Western Railway
    Description
    A signalling problem between Reading and Slough is causing disruption to trains between Reading and London Paddington. The following alterations will apply:
    Trains to / from Cheltenham Spa will only run between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon
    Trains to / from Bedwyn will only run between Bedwyn and Reading
    'Stopping' services from Oxford towards London Paddington will run non-stop between Reading and Slough es
    All other services may be delayed by up to 15 minutes between Reading and London Paddington
     
    Disruption is expected to continue until approximately 08:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 31, 2017, 07:42:46
    Fault at Burnham it would appear


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on March 31, 2017, 13:07:20
    At the moment I am commuting between Reading and Watford Junction leaving RDG on the 6:16am. I've been doing this for about 2-3 months now and I am struggling to remember there being any major disruption!

    That will be the death knoll then!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on March 31, 2017, 14:28:35
    This morning's "fun" delayed me by half hour in the end on the 7.59 Mai to Pad.. That's twice out of four journeys into work this week that I've been late.. I guess on the positive side 50% of the time I got to work on time  ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 31, 2017, 21:05:35
    This morning's "fun" delayed me by half hour in the end on the 7.59 Mai to Pad.. That's twice out of four journeys into work this week that I've been late.. I guess on the positive side 50% of the time I got to work on time  ;D ;D

    I was lucky, I got the 0702 from Maidenhead which arrived at Paddington "only" about 8 minutes late - managed 3 out of 5 on time this week so not too bad by GWR standards!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on April 02, 2017, 11:39:36
    30 out of 5 only 60%!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on April 02, 2017, 13:19:16
    Quote
    30 out of 5 only 60%!

    600%! Very impressive  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on April 02, 2017, 14:56:40
    Quote
    30 out of 5 only 60%!

    600%! Very impressive  ;)

    OOPS finger trouble


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 03, 2017, 06:32:17
    Lots of these this morning - National Rail or National Grid?


    06:12 London Paddington to Reading due 07:14 will call additionally at Hanwell.
    It will be delayed at Hanwell.
    This is due to failure of the electricity supply.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on April 03, 2017, 06:58:22
    A view of the future perhaps ! Let's hope not .


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on April 03, 2017, 09:41:33
    There are serious concerns that the UK lacks enough generating capacity to reliably meet the peak winter demand.
    We have got through the last few winters with a certain amount of luck.

    However at present, this morning, there is no indication of an any general shortage of generating capacity. Demand is about normal for the time of year and considerable capacity is available but not needed this morning.

    The "failure of the electricity supply" must therefore be some form of localised breakdown and not any general shortage of electric power as might occur in midwinter.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on April 03, 2017, 09:45:36
    National grid status
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ (http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/)

    (note to anyone viewing this in the future, clicking the link shows the grid status at the time you click the link, and NOT the position when I posted this)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 03, 2017, 10:16:16
    Problems on the Heathrow Express/Connect depot apparently.  The GWR Hayes electric shuttles were running as normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on April 03, 2017, 10:18:55
    National grid status
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ (http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/)

    (note to anyone viewing this in the future, clicking the link shows the grid status at the time you click the link, and NOT the position when I posted this)

    The frequency is 50.03 Hz, suggesting that all is well at the moment. Coal (1.5%) continues to fall in popularity, although some of the plants are kept on standby. Gas (44%) and nuclear (22%) provide the lion's share, with significant imports via the interconnectors with other countries. Wind, statistically the most dangerous source of power with two workers killed in separate accidents in as many months in Scotland, chips in less than 4%. Biomass and solar barely trouble the scorers.

    Electricity accounts for under 40% of energy use in this country, with gas, petrol and diesel accounting for much of the rest. That means that some 80% of our energy comes from fossil fuels, which shows just how far we are from cleaning up our act, despite all the hot air from government and pressure groups. I am not sure what sort of difference the electrified GWR and other lines will make to the overall consumption in the country as a whole, but I hope someone has done the maths and made provision.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on April 03, 2017, 10:24:12
    There are serious concerns that the UK lacks enough generating capacity to reliably meet the peak winter demand.
    We have got through the last few winters with a certain amount of luck.
    This last winter we were actually feeding to France for much of November to January as they had more power stations out than expected. Usually that and the Dutch interconnector are at maximum in the UK direction.

    Today it isn't very windy but it is rather sunny leading to the combined renewables total being a bit over 4GW. This is rather less than on a windy day when it can easily be 6GW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 04, 2017, 08:28:10
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and Ealing Broadway some lines towards London Paddington are disrupted.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:15 04/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on April 04, 2017, 10:09:45
    Now 11:45,,, and counting


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on April 04, 2017, 10:21:28
    Now 11:45,,, and counting

    and now "may be delayed by up to 30 minutes", up from 20 minutes.

    (later edit)...  and now "disruption is expected until 14:45". Certainly simmering away nicely!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 04, 2017, 12:29:07
    All lines reopened, residual delays until 1445.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2017, 13:24:37
    ......here we go again......


    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines towards Reading are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 10/04.
    Customer Advice
    Transport for London and London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Additional Information
    Owing to signaling problems affecting a couple of running lines on the approach to London Paddington, we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present. There will be a reduction in the frequency of train services (in both directions) between London Paddington and Reading / Oxford. Any other train service cancellations or alterations will be advised


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 10, 2017, 14:02:47
    Six days since the last post.  That must be a record...?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 10, 2017, 16:10:57
    I know that when my phone lights up at 16:00 (the start of my SMS alerting window) that  it's from GWR...

    The residuals drag on...
    Following a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines towards Reading are disrupted.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 16:15 10/04.


    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Westbury the line towards Westbury is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be diverted via Swindon. Pewsey will not be served. Disruption is expected until 16:30 10/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 10, 2017, 17:05:56
    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Westbury the line towards Westbury is blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be diverted via Swindon. Pewsey will not be served. Disruption is expected until 16:30 10/04.

    Explains the High Speed Train (HST) that passed through Melksham at 16:33, much to the surprise of us passengers awaiting the 16:37 to Swindon which dragged in about 8 minutes late.  Don't really mind ... plenty of London connections at Swindon (I hope).

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2017, 17:53:37
    Six days since the last post.  That must be a record...?  ;)

    The Last Post - could be GWR's theme tune!  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 10, 2017, 21:00:05
    I know that when my phone lights up at 16:00 (the start of my SMS alerting window) that it's from GWR ...

    Perhaps rather interestingly, I have a very similar set up on my own mobile phone (my version starts at 16:30) - dating back to the days when I was commuting between Nailsea and Bristol.

    I haven't taken the trouble to update / remove that facility - if only because it reminds me why I so enjoy not having to rely on trains for my commute to work these days.  ;) :D ;D



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 12, 2017, 06:10:47
    ............the shape of things to come........

    Cancellations to services between Slough and Twyford


    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Slough and Twyford some lines towards Twyford are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 07:15 12/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on April 12, 2017, 07:06:41
    A sheet of polythene caught on a tensioning wire.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 12, 2017, 07:09:22
    ............the shape of things to come........

    Let's hope not ... but I'll admit to drawing a deep breath when I saw two successive threads on the WNXX forum's "breaking news" section ...

    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/wiresdown.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Boppy on April 18, 2017, 13:19:11
    Does anyone know what the issues are today. Both relief lines seem open as does the down main. The up main seems closed though Paddington to the other side of Slough.

    Thanks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on April 18, 2017, 13:23:57
    Does anyone know what the issues are today. Both relief lines seem open as does the down main. The up main seems closed though Paddington to the other side of Slough.

    Thanks.

    There's a broken rail on the Up main near Southall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Boppy on April 18, 2017, 13:26:26
    Ah thanks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 18, 2017, 16:02:20
    16:00 rolls around for the daily good news:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington:
    Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 16:45 18/04.
    Customer Advice:
    Any customers travelling to Acton Main Line should utilise London Underground Central Line to North Acton then Transport for London Bus route 266 (and customers from Acton Main Line same arrangement applies but in reverse).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 19, 2017, 08:53:36
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time at Bath Spa fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.

    This had knock on effects through Reading this morning (and a lot of angry people at Bath on Twitter). Was cancellation of 1A72 due to this ?

    Non-infrastructural - a broken down train affected the Reading-Basingstoke line earlier according to my SMS alert. Realtimetrains says "a problem with the traction equipment (MC)."

    Then I took 1L10 into Paddington which was late into Reading due to (according to the on-board announcments) a broken down train around Didcot.

    Due to an Olympic style sprint at Reading I was only 5 mins late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 19, 2017, 09:13:46
    A lot of angry people at Bath on Twitter.
    There would have been as Bath is already down to one Paddington train an hour due to only one platform being available. Other local services were cancelled as well.

    The sad thing is all the work being carried out will only partly benefit Bath passengers, enabling new trains to call, now electrification won't be coming through the station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 19, 2017, 09:22:45
    UPDATE: Obviously more serious than just overrunning engineering work.

    From Twitter: Disruption due to overrunning works at Bath Spa is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on April 19, 2017, 09:27:32
    And apparently a replacement coach service laid on around 0830 has broken down shortly after leaving Bath.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 19, 2017, 09:29:13
    And apparently a replacement coach service laid on around 0830 has broken down shortly after leaving Bath.
    Whoops. Be a few very unhappy passengers on that service this morning. At least with schools being off sourcing replacement road transport shouldn't be too difficult.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on April 19, 2017, 11:11:35
    And apparently a replacement coach service laid on around 0830 has broken down shortly after leaving Bath.
    Whoops. Be a few very unhappy passengers on that service this morning. At least with schools being off sourcing replacement road transport shouldn't be too difficult.
    Indeed.  Schoolchildren are ideal as rickshaw-pedallers. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 19, 2017, 11:14:53
    Service pattern appears to be two trains in each direction every hour.  1 Bristol-Paddington and 1 Cardiff-Portsmouth (also calling at Keynsham and Oldfield Park to cover for Bristol-Weymouth services which start/terminate at Westbury)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on April 19, 2017, 12:31:17
    UPDATE: Obviously more serious than just overrunning engineering work.

    From Twitter: Disruption due to overrunning works at Bath Spa is expected until the end of the day.

    A engineering train ran through a set of points which were incorrectly set causing considerably damage to them. The amount of time needed to repair the damage means it can only be done tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 19, 2017, 12:56:07
    A engineering train ran through a set of points which were incorrectly set causing considerably damage to them. The amount of time needed to repair the damage means it can only be done tonight.
    Would I be correct in saying it was the set of points just outside Bath Spa meaning trains on the UP line having to join the down line at the crossover at Saltford to enter platform 1 rather than in Bath?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on April 19, 2017, 13:33:39
    A engineering train ran through a set of points which were incorrectly set causing considerably damage to them. The amount of time needed to repair the damage means it can only be done tonight.

    Running through wrongly set points under an engineering possession seems to be getting a common problem these days. I recall there was one by Ealing Broadway recently.  Is there a systemic problem with the communication between PICOP*, PICOW and signaller?

    *PICOP/W Person in Charge of Possession/Work - acronyms appear to change regularly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on April 19, 2017, 20:34:08
    A engineering train ran through a set of points which were incorrectly set causing considerably damage to them. The amount of time needed to repair the damage means it can only be done tonight.

    Running through wrongly set points under an engineering possession seems to be getting a common problem these days. I recall there was one by Ealing Broadway recently.  Is there a systemic problem with the communication between PICOP*, PICOW and signaller?

    *PICOP/W Person in Charge of Possession/Work - acronyms appear to change regularly.

    Seems like there is.  As you say, happens regularly.  I think there was one at Maidenhead recently as well which resulted in no through trains from Bourne End/Marlow to Paddington.  That set of points was out of use for over a week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2017, 05:53:13
    There's a lot of it about, here's todays starter for 10..........

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough


    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 20/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 20, 2017, 05:55:49
    Problems still continuing at Bath Spa as well


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 21, 2017, 02:50:12
    UPDATE: Obviously more serious than just overrunning engineering work.

    From Twitter: Disruption due to overrunning works at Bath Spa is expected until the end of the day.

    Should be back to normal this morning (?) - except

    Quote
    Alteration: 10:49 from Bristol Temple Meads.
    10:49 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury due 11:42 will be started from Great Malvern and terminated at Bristol Temple Meads.

    It will no longer call at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-On-Avon, Trowbridge and Westbury but will call additionally at Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Ashchurch-for-Tewkesbury, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Cam & Dursley, Yate, Bristol Parkway, Filton Abbey Wood, Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.
    This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.

    How can it be an "alteration" - isn't it a different train?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on April 21, 2017, 10:37:54
    Quote
    Alteration: 10:49 from Bristol Temple Meads.
    10:49 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury due 11:42 will be started from Great Malvern and terminated at Bristol Temple Meads.

    It will no longer call at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-On-Avon, Trowbridge and Westbury but will call additionally at Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Ashchurch-for-Tewkesbury, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Cam & Dursley, Yate, Bristol Parkway, Filton Abbey Wood, Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.
    This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.

    How can it be an "alteration" - isn't it a different train?

    Well, there is a Great Malvern-Westbury train in the normal timetable (2F97), though recently the work at Bath (which isn't in the Thames Valley, is it?) has led to it being changed and part-cancelled. Today's has now been reinstated as per the normal working, but JourneyCheck reads:
    Quote
    Alteration: 10:49 from Bristol Temple Meads.
    10:49 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury due 11:42 will be started from Great Malvern.
    It will call additionally at Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Ashchurch-for-Tewkesbury, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Cam & Dursley, Yate, Bristol Parkway, Filton Abbey Wood, Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.
    This is due to a problem currently under investigation.

    However, it has vanished from Realtime Trains, at least in Bristol.

    I guess the software (probably "assisted" by some soft but also warm and sqidgy ware) has tried to match the new service to one in the current timetable (whatever that means) and got confused by the way it has been messed about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 21, 2017, 12:10:54
    Alterations between Reading and Newbury
    Due to a road vehicle colliding with level crossing barriers between Reading and Newbury all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 14:00 21/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 21, 2017, 12:58:27
    Lorry with a crane on the back.  Not only the level crossing gates at Colthrop damaged but some cables brought down across the tracks too.

    Several West of England services diverting via Melksham and Swindon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on April 21, 2017, 15:20:15
    The gates were open at the time. What they think happened is the crane on the back of the lorry caught the overhead BT phone lines, brought them down first which then became entangled in the crossing barrier which, as the lorry continued forward, badly damaged the crossing barrier. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2017, 09:35:08
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


    Due to earlier engineering works not being finished on time between London Paddington and Reading disruption is expected until 10:00 14/05.
    Train services between London Paddington and Slough are returning to normal but some services will still be cancelled, delayed by up to 65 minutes or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 22, 2017, 09:27:42
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hanwell some lines will be blocked. Disruption is expected until 11:00 22/05.
    Impact: Train services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington will be running non stop.
    Additional Information:
    To fix a fault with the signalling system Network Rail engineers require access to the railway line at Hanwell from 10:00 for approximately one hour. During this time train services from London Paddington towards Slough/Reading will not be able to call at Ealing Broadway, West Ealing, Hanwell or Southall.
    Customers at these stations wishing to travel West should use services to London Paddington and change there for Westbound services.
    Customers wishing to travel to these stations from the East should travel through to Hayes and Harlington and change there for Eastbound services which are able to call at Southall, Hanwell, West Ealing and Ealing Broadway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 23, 2017, 06:43:31
    .....well that didn't take long did it?  ::)


    07:33 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 08:06


    Facilities on the 07:33 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 08:06.

    Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 8.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 23, 2017, 10:03:02
    I don't think there is any damage as such, just the same precaution as yesterday with the supply not ready to be run at full power as discussed on another thread.  Though just a 3-car Turbo substituting today instead of yesterday's 5-car unfortunately.

    I gather that the two diagrams (of three planned) being worked by 387s east of Maidenhead are restricted to only using 75% power until that is resolved.  That's still enough to leave a Turbo trailing in their wake though.   :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 23, 2017, 11:32:19
    I don't think there is any damage as such, just the same precaution as yesterday with the supply not ready to be run at full power as discussed on another thread.  Though just a 3-car Turbo substituting today instead of yesterday's 5-car unfortunately.

    II, do you happen to know why the 0811 from Maidenhead (0738 from Goring) was a 3-car today? Or more importantly, do you know if its planned to be 3-car again tomorrow ? I'll be working from home if it is, was horrible this morning :-(

    Thanks as always!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 23, 2017, 11:33:59
    Perhaps the local trains should have been bi-mode ;D as well as the longer distance units.

    Useful for when the wires come down/are not yet ready/cant supply sufficient current.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 23, 2017, 13:11:19
    II, do you happen to know why the 0811 from Maidenhead (0738 from Goring) was a 3-car today? Or more importantly, do you know if its planned to be 3-car again tomorrow ? I'll be working from home if it is, was horrible this morning :-(

    Thanks as always!

    Just the usual shortage of trains reason.  Obviously covering a Class 387 diagram with a Turbo(s) so far this week doesn't help.  That's the train that used to be a horribly busy 3-car, but was extended to 5-car a year or so ago wasn't it?

    As for tomorrow, it just depends on what is available come tomorrow morning.  All being well it won't be short-formed, but any evening/overnight failures might change that!  The stock position is still critical, and will remain so until more 387s come on stream later in the year.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 23, 2017, 13:24:22
    That's the train that used to be a horribly busy 3-car, but was extended to 5-car a year or so ago wasn't it?

    Thanks II - and yes, it was. Been a 5-car for a long time now, once or twice it was reduced to 3-car, but I don't remember it being as bad as it was today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on May 23, 2017, 14:14:12
    This morning's 7:34 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington was down to being a 2-car turbo instead of an High Speed Train (HST).

    Better than being cancelled altogether I guess.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 23, 2017, 14:50:52
    Better than being cancelled altogether I guess.

    Only just better!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on May 23, 2017, 16:44:52
    I must have been in a charitable mood when I wrote that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 23, 2017, 17:46:30
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 23, 2017, 18:31:44
    Historically it seems that above 25c and there's a chance of weather related disruption, and above 30c it's likely they'll be disruption.  Forecast is for high 20's currently.  Who's got the white paint...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 23, 2017, 19:43:52
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)
    Please no, I'm traveling to London Friday afternoon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on May 23, 2017, 20:00:38
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)
    I think we were already into trouble with toasty turbo interiors on Monday.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 23, 2017, 20:10:04
    .......place your bets Gentlemen! Who knows, we might put a man on the moon one day! 😃


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 23, 2017, 21:50:43
    Historically it seems that above 25c and there's a chance of weather related disruption, and above 30c it's likely they'll be disruption.  Forecast is for high 20's currently.  Who's got the white paint...

    Dunno about the white paint, but there is a shortage of tipex at the moment, as they are busy making timetable adjustments to block out all those electric trains that they can't run  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 24, 2017, 07:04:39
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough
    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:45 24/05  :-[




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on May 24, 2017, 07:33:22
    Due to the disruption this morning an High Speed Train (HST) (delayed 7.08) pulled into platform 5 at Maidenhead this morning (the first I know of)! A little bit of railway history!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 24, 2017, 08:34:41
    Due to the disruption this morning an HST (delayed 7.08) pulled into platform 5 at Maidenhead this morning (the first I know of)! A little bit of railway history!

    Welcome to the forum, Birdie100.   These unusual happenings are not only a piece of history, but evidence of what can be done - a learning exercise which (certainly on my own community line) helps us understand why things are as they are, and what is practical for the CRP to ask about in the future.   Many thanks for posting that information / picture ... I know that there was talk of a Marlow line CRP at one point - though I can't see them suggesting an HST to Bourne End except perhaps as a promotional trip.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 24, 2017, 08:56:10
    Due to the disruption this morning an HST (delayed 7.08) pulled into platform 5 at Maidenhead this morning (the first I know of)! A little bit of railway history!

    Welcome Birdie 100! I've seen the freights thundering through platform 5 since they did the track layout changes, but yes, can't say I have seen an HST there before either. Its definitely given a lot more flexibility around Maidenhead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 24, 2017, 09:33:34
    gwr.com adds the following detail.

    Following a broken down train earlier today between Reading and London Paddington all lines have now reopened.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 24/05
    An engineering train had broken down in the Slough station area earlier which has now moved. This train was part of engineering works which have been finished late however all lines are now open for normal working. Delays may occur on trains towards London due to congestion caused by the high volume of delayed services currently heading towards London.
    Some trains may run with revised calling patterns to try and recover the service towards on time running.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 24, 2017, 10:36:28
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)

    You missed the obvious "an unusually large passenger flow".  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on May 24, 2017, 20:23:51
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)
    I think we were already into trouble with toasty turbo interiors on Monday.

    What's the air conditioning like on the new trains? Satisfactory?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 24, 2017, 20:41:10
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)
    I think we were already into trouble with toasty turbo interiors on Monday.

    What's the air conditioning like on the new trains? Satisfactory?

    Very effective.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 25, 2017, 08:42:38
    Due to a broken down train earlier today between Slough and London Paddington:
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 25/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2017, 12:35:53
    Delays to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:15 25/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 25, 2017, 14:39:54
    Wheee....

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Gloucester and Bristol Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Bristol Parkway.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 5 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Bristol Temple Meads.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 5 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bath Spa and Swindon some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or diverted between Bristol Temple Meads and Swindon. Disruption is expected until 16:00 25/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on May 25, 2017, 16:27:03
    ...err.  What has the post above got to do with the Thames Valley?  Should be in 'Bristol Commuters' surely.... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on May 26, 2017, 09:22:00
    True but, to be fair, I think Jason was just picking up on the points made earlier in the thread about white paint and Tippex...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 26, 2017, 18:04:44
    So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  ;)
    I think we were already into trouble with toasty turbo interiors on Monday.




    Damn.....forgot signal failures & lineside equipment problems.....they came up trumps too! Good luck if you're at Paddington!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 26, 2017, 23:18:53
    No idea why but my train this morning was cancelled (06.53 from Twyford) - just after the previous very crowded one had left. Should have been a clue. There also seem to a lot of short formation trains recently. Has some stock already been redeployed or have they just been unlucky with breakdowns?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 26, 2017, 23:28:50
    It wasn't cancelled, it neglected to call at Twyford, presumably due to late running which was down to a freight train running late in the Oxford area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 06, 2017, 08:05:37
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 06/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 06, 2017, 10:16:30
    Hmm. And it was cleared around that time.

    Doesn't wire damage taken longer to attend, assess & fix than just over an hour or so?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on June 06, 2017, 11:42:36
    http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2017-06-06/new-electric-trains-face-delays-weeks-after-launch/

    ITV reporting "loss of power" and arcing around West Ealing.

    Maybe three units has turned out to be one too many?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 06, 2017, 12:02:19
    Not a good day for Maidenhead...

    Following a points failure at Maidenhead some lines towards London Paddington have now reopened.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 50 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:45 06/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 06, 2017, 12:04:01
    http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2017-06-06/new-electric-trains-face-delays-weeks-after-launch/

    ITV reporting "loss of power" and arcing around West Ealing.

    Maybe three units has turned out to be one too many?

    Frankly? Pathetic. Overdue, overspent, over promised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 06, 2017, 13:32:45
    From the NR log:

    07:52 TVSC SSM reports that they have lost all the overheads between Paddington & Hayes due to some sort of flash over. TVSC SSM speaking with the ECO to sort out a reset.

    So I would imagine the arcing near West Ealing tripped something which caused the power to fail between Paddington and Hayes, so not on the newly electrified section of track, and I would imagine the extra draw from the new electrics would not have been the cause, though perhaps ElectricTrain could clarify?

    In all honesty it was reset within 15 minutes by the Electrical Control Officer and didn't really cause any very significant delays, but that and a combination of other issues (fire bells going off in a HST cab being one, a driver injury another) combined to result in a very poor morning peak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 06, 2017, 13:39:34
    In all honesty it was reset within 15 minutes by the Electrical Control Officer and didn't really cause any very significant delays

    According to the NR spokesperson in the linked article above, the fault was reset in 12 minutes, which strikes me as being pretty efficient really.

    Quote
    a driver injury another

    This is an unusual one - can you elaborate?!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 06, 2017, 13:49:27
    a driver injury another

    This is an unusual one - can you elaborate?!

    Only to say that it happened whilst changing ends at Slough and (I think) caused one off the platforms to be blocked for 25 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 06, 2017, 20:46:40
    A pretty grim day, especially in both peaks,  all sorts of issues, Paddington was chaotic tonight, very poorly managed - seems to be sorting itself out now, let's hope for better tomorrow.


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Following a safety inspection on a train between London Paddington and Reading all lines are now open.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 06/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 06, 2017, 22:15:26
    There appears to have been a fatality somewhere, so not all the railway's cause


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 07, 2017, 22:22:08
    Possibly this sad incident - from DevonLive (http://www.devonlive.com/one-person-dead-after-being-hit-by-train-at-tiverton/story-30374170-detail/story.html):

    Quote
    One person dead after being hit by train at Tiverton

    A person has been killed after being struck by a train near Tiverton Parkway Station.

    British Transport Police has confirmed that they were called at 12.08pm on Tuesday to reports of an incident. Trains services have been disrupted.

    A spokesman for British Transport Police said: "We were called to reports of a person being struck by a train in the area of Tiverton Parkway railway station. Sadly we can confirm the person has passed away. It is not being treated as suspicious at this time."



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on June 07, 2017, 22:37:40
    As an aside the 0509 Plymouth to Paddington this morning didn't have a 1st class customer host until Bath Spa.  Why?  Because the person rostered was 2 hrs late back yesterday and thus didn't have the minimum break (12hrs) before booking on again. Presumably other (more important) rosters were also affected thus needing some rejigging of this morning's rosters at relatively short notice.

    Now clearly this was the most trifling of inconveniences, but it demonstrates how any disruption can have knock on effects well beyond what many people not involved in running the railway might expect.

    Thoughts as always with the family and all those directly affected by yesterday's sad incident.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: W5tRailfinder on June 08, 2017, 15:24:57
    Noticed this morning on OpenTrainTimes that the Slough-Windsor unit failed at Windsor.

    It was rescued by cancelling a Paddington-Reading local service at Slough. This unit then went down the branch and brought the failed unit back to Slough platform 2. The units then split. The failed unit then set off for Reading (I assume a problem with the London end driving vehicle) and the rescue unit went back onto the branch.

    When all the 165/166s on the main line are replaced they won't be able to do this. The sooner the branch is electrified the better.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 08, 2017, 16:25:03
    It would get rescued either by a spare or by a 165 on another branch.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 08, 2017, 18:08:51
    That's rather less elegant and probably far more time consuming though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 08, 2017, 18:26:36
    Cancellations to services between Bourne End and Marlow
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Rail replacement coaches have been requested for Bourne End and Marlow.
    GWR departures from Bourne End to Maidenhead will resume with the slightly delayed 18:03 service.

    Passengers for Marlow should change at Bourne End for a rail replacement coach to Marlow.
    Passengers from Marlow should catch the rail replacement coach service from the station car park to Bourne End and change there for GWR rail services to Maidenhead.

    1818 cancelled from Maidenhead having just been announced as approaching the platform .......grand total of 1replacement  bus provided.

    Ironically the 1742 electric from Paddington which connects with it was on time!











    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 08, 2017, 21:13:56
    Bound to happen with all those signals between Marlow and Bourne End  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 09, 2017, 10:59:45
    No signals only crossing and point indicators. Although the point indicators at Bourne End look like signals.

    Plus 2 tokens Maidenhead to Bourne End and Bourne End  Marlow. Used to operate panel at Bourne End and lock train on Marlow line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 09, 2017, 11:01:43
    I think you possibly missed the emoji in that post?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 11, 2017, 07:09:24
    Delays to services between Twyford and Slough
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Slough:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:15 11/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 11, 2017, 07:45:36
    Just been checking back through my emails and over running engineering work seems to be a regular occurrence on a Sunday morning.

    Is it just a run of bad luck with on site equipment failures each week or are they trying to cram too much in overnight and no one is learning the lessons?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 11, 2017, 08:36:50
    Just been checking back through my emails and over running engineering work seems to be a regular occurrence on a Sunday morning.

    Is it just a run of bad luck with on site equipment failures each week or are they trying to cram too much in overnight and no one is learning the lessons?

    Indeed, a glance at this mornings service indicates that it's catching up with "shortage of train crew" as a reason for cancellations on a Sunday, although this doesn't seem to be restricted to weekends at the moment.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 11, 2017, 09:57:58
    Just been checking back through my emails and over running engineering work seems to be a regular occurrence on a Sunday morning.

    Been the same every Sunday morning since I joined the railway in the 80s.   :)

    On a more serious note though, the number of possessions and individual worksites is immense on the GWML as electrification and Crossrail works continue.  The main difference since the 80s is the time allowed to do the work.  Safety measures mean it takes longer to set up and give back a possession reducing the amount of time the work can be done in, and pressure from the TOC's to get early morning trains running as the travelling public now demand a comprehensive service on most routes on a Sunday morning also mean any slight delay can have large ramifications.

    This morning wasn't too bad as things were back to normal before most people's alarm clocks had gone off.  Apart from the cancellation of the first round trip to Windsor from Slough, a 45 minute delay on the first train from Twyford to London and stops removed between Paddington and Reading of that trains return trip to get it back on time from Reading, nothing else was delayed by more than 15 minutes. But it must be frustrating for those who do regularly make early morning Sunday journeys.

    Sadly I can't see much changing until most of the work is finished in a couple of years time.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 11, 2017, 10:28:10
    Just been checking back through my emails and over running engineering work seems to be a regular occurrence on a Sunday morning.

    Been the same every Sunday morning since I joined the railway in the 80s.   :)

    On a more serious note though, the number of possessions and individual worksites is immense on the GWML as electrification and Crossrail works continue.  The main difference since the 80s is the time allowed to do the work.  Safety measures mean it takes longer to set up and give back a possession reducing the amount of time the work can be done in, and pressure from the TOC's to get early morning trains running as the travelling public now demand a comprehensive service on most routes on a Sunday morning also mean any slight delay can have large ramifications.

    This morning wasn't too bad as things were back to normal before most people's alarm clocks had gone off.  Apart from the cancellation of the first round trip to Windsor from Slough, a 45 minute delay on the first train from Twyford to London and stops removed between Paddington and Reading of that trains return trip to get it back on time from Reading, nothing else was delayed by more than 15 minutes. But it must be frustrating for those who do regularly make early morning Sunday journeys.

    Sadly I can't see much changing until most of the work is finished in a couple of years time.



    A change between now and the 1980's for instance when the platforms at Taplow, West Drayton etc were re-aliened most of the block work laying was done between trains ie a Lookout gave the brickies a warning they stopped work the train went past and they resumed work a lot of this done during the working day.  Now this type of work can only be done under full possession and needs RRV's to move materials therefore can only be done at weekend or nights


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 14, 2017, 06:31:34
    Morning all

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Maidenhead and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 14/06.
    Customer Advice
    This is primarily affecting the electric services betweem Maidenhead and Hayes & Harlington as the main line is not available to electric services.
    Last Updated:14/06/2017 06:26


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 14, 2017, 11:58:04
    Delays to services at London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 14/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2017, 08:41:14
    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Didcot Parkway

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/06.





    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2017, 10:02:48
    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Didcot Parkway

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/06.





    ................now pushed out till 1100, to add to the joy, none of the ticket machines are working at Paddington......imagine the queues at the ticket offices.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 18, 2017, 11:28:17
    Quote
    08:44 London Paddington to Hereford due 11:51 will call additionally at Hanborough, Honeybourne and Pershore.
    It has been previously delayed but is now on time from Charlbury

    08:44 London Paddington 09:22
    09:00 Slough 09:38
    09:23 Reading 09:52
    09:40 Didcot Parkway 09:55
    09:52 Oxford 09:59
     Hanborough 10:00
    10:07 Charlbury 10:07
    10:15 Kingham 10:15
    .

    Hmmmm, some sort of time warp system in place between Reading and Charlbury it would seem.





    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 18, 2017, 12:40:12
    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Didcot Parkway

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/06.





    ................now pushed out till 1100, to add to the joy, none of the ticket machines are working at Paddington......imagine the queues at the ticket offices.


    Imagine the extra penalty fare income :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2017, 12:58:15
    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Didcot Parkway

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 18/06.





    ................now pushed out till 1100, to add to the joy, none of the ticket machines are working at Paddington......imagine the queues at the ticket offices.


    ....so this is going well......on the upside, I guess the inevitable Sunday cancellations due to staff shortages aren't having such an impact?

    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Didcot Parkway
    Following engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Didcot Parkway all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 18/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 18, 2017, 15:01:29

    ......on the upside, I guess the inevitable Sunday cancellations due to staff shortages aren't having such an impact?


    Quote
    13:42 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 16:07
    Facilities on the 13:42 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 16:07.
    Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 8. First class reduced. Catering is not available. There are no reservations on this service.
    This is due to a shortage of train crew.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on June 18, 2017, 15:24:50
    Quote
    08:44 London Paddington to Hereford due 11:51 will call additionally at Hanborough, Honeybourne and Pershore.
    It has been previously delayed but is now on time from Charlbury

    08:44 London Paddington 09:22
    09:00 Slough 09:38
    09:23 Reading 09:52
    09:40 Didcot Parkway 09:55

    09:52 Oxford 09:59
     Hanborough 10:00
    10:07 Charlbury 10:07
    10:15 Kingham 10:15
    .

    Hmmmm, some sort of time warp system in place between Reading and Charlbury it would seem.

    3 minutes Reading to Didcot eh?  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2017, 07:25:21
    .....welcome to the new week......

    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a broken down train between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 19/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on June 19, 2017, 08:52:29
    Elements of a perfect storm this morning. Don't know what the reported signalling problem at Didcot was this morning, needless to say whist waiting at my favourite signal 907 contemplating a Didcot East grade separated junction, I missed my connection - which was a pity, as it had my reserved seat on a busy Monday morning commute.  Then, in a move I have never seen before, an over-long steel freight backed out of Didcot Yard on to the Up Relief and drew into Platform 4 completely blocking the departure of 0632 HST up local while it waited the road. 

    The empty stock of the second High Speed Train (HST) up local (0706 ex Didcot) broke down at Maidenhead and the Up Main looked like it was blocked while the driver/fitter inspected the train. Heavy delays ensued crossing from Mains to Reliefs and back again.  A final long pause, followed by a switch back onto the Reliefs at Ealing Broadway (of unknown cause) meant the day was already uncomfortable warm when awaiting the bus in Praed Street!

    Wrong sort of weather I think.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on June 19, 2017, 09:14:25
    My train was delayed by 15 minutes.. It's a lot less of a issue on a train with working air con (I was on the 7.33 Mai to Pad)  than for some of the people on the old style trains though I imagine


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on June 19, 2017, 14:03:12
    A double dose of entertainment:

    Delays to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 19/06.

    and

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to checking reports of an obstruction on the line between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 19/06.

    Looking at National Rail Enquiries, significant disruption at Paddington and Reading. Can't see things settling down by 14:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2017, 15:14:56
    Pushed back to 1600 now, with 60 minutes delays.....odds on the rush hour being a disaster?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 19, 2017, 15:48:07
    I've just taken a quick peek at Open Train Times - there are currently 9 trains queued on the UM between Hayes and Burnham but then you have to go back as far as Cholsey to find the next one - so I'd say the rush hour is most definitely not looking good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 19, 2017, 15:49:05
    Pushed back to 1600 now, with 60 minutes delays.....odds on the rush hour being a disaster?

    Historically it seems that above 25c and there's a chance of weather related disruption, and above 30c it's likely they'll be disruption.

    I would expect a disruptive peak.  My thermometer has nudged over 30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2017, 16:01:15
    I've just taken a quick peek at Open Train Times - there are currently 9 trains queued on the UM between Hayes and Burnham but then you have to go back as far as Cholsey to find the next one - so I'd say the rush hour is most definitely not looking good.

    Sure enough, pushed back to 1730, 8 carriage electric trains to Maidenhead  (the only ones with reliable air conditioning) cancelled. Expect tonight to be bloody awful......God knows how warm countries manage, but they seem to.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 19, 2017, 17:07:31
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .
    Good luck to those trying to get home this evening ,hottest day of year so far  my sympathies .


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 19, 2017, 17:12:21
    I've just taken a quick peek at Open Train Times - there are currently 9 trains queued on the UM between Hayes and Burnham but then you have to go back as far as Cholsey to find the next one - so I'd say the rush hour is most definitely not looking good.

    A word of warning for those who may be relying on it for information, OTT appears to be suffering from the heat as well as it seems to be lagging by over 5 minutes on the actual position of trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on June 19, 2017, 17:19:20
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .
    Good luck to those trying to get home this evening ,hottest day of year so far  my sympathies .
    Not Caroline I hope. That would be ironic given her transport responsibilities.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on June 19, 2017, 17:25:30
    And the GWR website is helpfully informing passengers "There are minor disruptions on the GWR Network"!  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 19, 2017, 17:28:33
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .
    Good luck to those trying to get home this evening ,hottest day of year so far  my sympathies .

    Did I not predict that Over-Head Line Equipment (OLHE) would be vulnerable to pigeons ?
    And that "attacks" by such birds could cause widespread disruption.
    IIRC my remarks were considered unduly pessimistic.

    And anyway, just how much rubble does one exploded pigeon create.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on June 19, 2017, 17:48:07
    Last updated     19/06/2017 17:39

    The obstruction on the track between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington has been removed (probably not by ambulance to St Columba's) allowing all lines to reopen.

    Major disruption is expected until 19:00 due to trains and train crew being out of position.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 19, 2017, 17:49:41
    Currently at Paddington and it is not looking pretty. Best avoided if you can.

    Edit: the words piss-up and brewery spring to mind (as always). Fully seated High Speed Train (HST) that had been waiting for 40mins just got emptied at the last minute. No explanation other than 'disruption'.   The trains are well over 40 degrees and rising.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 19, 2017, 18:02:09
    + a freight train has failed between Midgham and Aldermaston, meaning even less sets arriving Paddington to provide services outbound in the later part of the peak


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on June 19, 2017, 18:46:01
    Quote
    freight train has failed between Midgham and Aldermaston

    There is of course a loop just to the east of Aldermaston, but not sure if accessible from up as well as down lines?

    Plenty of "parking" for freights just up the line at Theale. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 19, 2017, 19:03:06
    No, only accessible in the down direction.

    Yes, Theale is where they have shoved it for now


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on June 19, 2017, 19:12:38
    A word of warning for those who may be relying on it for information, OTT appears to be suffering from the heat as well as it seems to be lagging by over 5 minutes on the actual position of trains.

    At 1900 its lagging by 30mins whereas real trains are lagging by up to two hours.  Like watching a time warp..... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2017, 19:19:12
    + a freight train has failed between Midgham and Aldermaston, meaning even less sets arriving Paddington to provide services outbound in the later part of the peak

    ......did it hit a pigeon?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on June 19, 2017, 19:26:29
    I left work at 4 and got on a train to Swansea which was first stop Reading and then doubled back to Maidenhead.. I was aiming for the 16.42 which being electric was cancelled  and got back at 17.45 so not too bad.. I decided it better to be stuck at Reading than Paddington


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 19, 2017, 20:29:10
    I saw there had been disruption during the day but the GWR website was saying minor disruption and all trains on time. Got  Paddington just before 5 and it looked like no trains running at all. Hard to tell as the display only had Heathrow Express services and some cancelled Maidenhead one. No staff around to ask of course, no station announcements and nothing on the board before I wandered up to H&C end to wait. There was a network rail person up there who I asked but he was 'security' and doing his checks. He did comment about the GWR staff and how they all disappear as soon as there's an incident.

    I'm about truly staggered (each time - you think experience would teach me) how GWR fail to provide not just information but often wrong information. How can a company think it acceptable to withdraw all frontline staff every time there's an incident? This wasn't even a major one from the comments above. If you're worried about staff safety for a BAU incident then I think you seriously need to review your operating model.

    Don't tell me my train is on time when it never was. I'm fortunate in that I can work flexibly. If there's problems I can work late, go to the pub, go for a meal and that's one less person at Paddington and I'm sure I'm not alone. Just give me information. Hottest day of they year and nothing. How about handing out bottles of water to the elderly and infirm? Or even not charging me to use the toilets when I've been stuck waiting for trains and/or information.

    In the end I got on the first stopping (first service full stop) to Twyford which was truly horrible. People fighting to get on, other trying to get off because they're ill and one woman had a panic attack in the heat and crowds.

    Barely seems worth mentioning being 25 mins late this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 19, 2017, 21:15:24
    Information and service recovery not helped by the complete removal of key behind the scenes operational staff at key locations (Cardiff, Westbury and Oxford) at the end of March to save money.  Savings that will no doubt be lost in extra delay minutes they would have prevented.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 19, 2017, 21:16:15
    For those who have been caught up in the pigeon poo today hope this helps
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on June 19, 2017, 22:32:32
    ................now pushed out till 1100, to add to the joy, none of the ticket machines are working at Paddington......imagine the queues at the ticket offices.

    And from my Monday morning email...
    Quote
    South West Trains Alert Service <noreply@nexusalpha.com>
    09:23 (13 hours ago)

    to me
    Dear Customer,

    Following an IT issue from earlier this morning, we are unable to process card payments on some of our ticket machines, including all the ticket machines at London Waterloo.

    This fault has been reported and is under investigation. 

    If you are travelling on one our trains and not able to purchase a ticket please speak to a member of staff or the Guard on your train for further advice.

    Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you.

    Thank you.

    South West Trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2017, 06:16:31
    I saw there had been disruption during the day but the GWR website was saying minor disruption and all trains on time. Got  Paddington just before 5 and it looked like no trains running at all. Hard to tell as the display only had Heathrow Express services and some cancelled Maidenhead one. No staff around to ask of course, no station announcements and nothing on the board before I wandered up to H&C end to wait. There was a network rail person up there who I asked but he was 'security' and doing his checks. He did comment about the GWR staff and how they all disappear as soon as there's an incident.

    I'm about truly staggered (each time - you think experience would teach me) how GWR fail to provide not just information but often wrong information. How can a company think it acceptable to withdraw all frontline staff every time there's an incident? This wasn't even a major one from the comments above. If you're worried about staff safety for a BAU incident then I think you seriously need to review your operating model.

    Don't tell me my train is on time when it never was. I'm fortunate in that I can work flexibly. If there's problems I can work late, go to the pub, go for a meal and that's one less person at Paddington and I'm sure I'm not alone. Just give me information. Hottest day of they year and nothing. How about handing out bottles of water to the elderly and infirm? Or even not charging me to use the toilets when I've been stuck waiting for trains and/or information.

    In the end I got on the first stopping (first service full stop) to Twyford which was truly horrible. People fighting to get on, other trying to get off because they're ill and one woman had a panic attack in the heat and crowds.

    Barely seems worth mentioning being 25 mins late this morning.

    Pretty much mirrors my experience yesterday (after also being 25 mins late in the morning) - I got back to Paddington around 1730, pretty chaotic, those few GWR staff that were around seemed too busy shouting at each other and those customers who did dare to talk to them rather than being helpful......no water on offer despite the temperatures and the delays having been ongoing pretty much all day.

    Thought I'd got lucky when I saw that the 1711 to Henley was still waiting to depart (about 25 mins late), managed to cram on it - 3 car turbo despite the delays, hugely overcrowded, aircon? no chance. Crawled along to Ealing (they let a Hayes stopper out just in front) by which time you could have literally wrung out my shirt - temperature on the train was 40 degrees Celsius and there were a number of people who were obviously on the point of keeling over.

    People were offering water/giving up seats for those finding it harder - apart from a couple of railway employees who studiously avoided the gazes of others - you would have thought they would be the first to jump up really.

    So we get to Slough eventually "ladies and gentlemen this train will no longer stop at Burnham or Taplow due to an obstruction on the line" -hmmmmmm (no staff offering help at Slough either)

    So a lot of us are turfed off to see that our next option is still over 20 minutes away and eventually turns up about 40 minutes late.

    If this really was all caused by a pigeon it's quite a fitting symbol for GWR's resilience. Irrespective of who is ultimately to "blame" they own the Customer experience 100% and on this occasion, as on so many others, their response was pathetic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 20, 2017, 10:18:39
    So other than someone having a pre-cooked meal, and some feathers for a new hat to go to Ascot with, do we actually know what happened last night, and why on earth it took so long to sort out?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on June 20, 2017, 11:35:16
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .
    Good luck to those trying to get home this evening ,hottest day of year so far  my sympathies .

    Was it a rock dove?!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 20, 2017, 11:37:03
    Pigeon perched on Over-Head Line Equipment (OLHE) very close to underside of a bridge.
    Pigeon exploded due to flashover.
    Small amount of cement render fell from bridge.
    Chaos ensued.
    The pigeon did not survive.

    Or so I heard from someone involved who was told not reveal details because it would "make the railway a laughing stock"


    Edit:VickiS-Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2017, 12:03:54
    Pigeon perched on OLHE very close to underside of a bridge.
    Pigeon exploded due to flashover.
    Small amount of cement render fell from bridge.
    Chaos ensued.
    The pigeon did not survive.

    Or so I heard from someone involved who was told not reveal details because it would "make the railway a laughing stock"



    ..............you're suggesting GWR needs help to look like a laughing stock? Generally speaking it manages to achieve that perfectly adequately on its own.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 20, 2017, 12:07:37
    I suspect that "exploding pigeons" may become as notorious as "the wrong type of snow" as a reason for railway delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on June 20, 2017, 12:28:28
    GWR = Grilled With Relish !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2017, 12:46:27
    The levity is fine, but please don't underestimate the pretty awful effect that this farce had on tens of thousands of people last night and once again exposed GWRs/the railways frailties and systemic failures.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 20, 2017, 12:52:53
    Learning points

    1) were clear signs exhibited warning of the limited clearance between OHLE and the bridge.
    2) can the pigeons read the signs, and understand them.
    3) if not, what steps are to be taken to improve the reading skills of pigeons.
    4) was counselling offered to other pigeons affected by this event.
    5) are other species of bird at risk.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 20, 2017, 12:54:45
    The levity is fine, but please don't underestimate the pretty awful effect that this farce had on tens of thousands of people last night and once again exposed GWRs/the railways frailties and systemic failures.

    Yes, but what about the effect on the family of the pigeon ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on June 20, 2017, 14:06:33
    So, on to today's issue...

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:45 20/06. [edit... disruption now expected until 15:00]

    No idea how this'll develop but a few delays showing up at Paddington at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 20, 2017, 14:15:35
    There's also a TSL (Temporary Speed Limit) affecting at least the Up Main - it seems as though the Oxford Fasts have had their Slough stop removed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: phile on June 20, 2017, 15:28:57
    So, on to today's issue...

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:45 20/06. [edit... disruption now expected until 15:00]

    No idea how this'll develop but a few delays showing up at Paddington at the moment.

    Is it really worth posting this ?   Seems to be the norm now. :) :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on June 20, 2017, 16:04:06
    Warning notices on Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) to the west of London are to be written in pidgin English in future..........

    Edit: VickiS - clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on June 20, 2017, 16:48:17
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .

    Now where are Dick Dastardly and Muttley when you need them   :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 20, 2017, 18:00:35
    Tonight GWR seem to have mislaid most of their train crews at short notice and we are left watching trains turn from on time to preparing to delayed to we might run maybe. Utter tosh.  I cannot convey in words my hatred of this company.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 20, 2017, 18:16:13
    I have been reading on twitter that A Pidgeon flew into the OLE and exploded ! Up Main is blocked by rubble from this or so it would seem .

    Now where are Dick Dastardly and Muttley when you need them   :D


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon.
    You have no idea how hard I had to resist using that quote myself  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 20, 2017, 18:18:14
    The levity is fine, but please don't underestimate the pretty awful effect that this farce had on tens of thousands of people last night and once again exposed GWRs/the railways frailties and systemic failures.

    I'm very selective in posting my personal woes when I've had a poor journey ... but yesterday evening was something. I had planned to check in to my hotel (in St Albans) at around 23:00 but in the end got here at 1 a.m.

    OK - so I missed the 19:47 because of a fire drill at Melksham Without Parish Council and was at the station there for the next and final train - the 20:32.   When a stone train came through at 20:32 I kinda new we were in trouble, and I knew that the lady who answered the help point and assured me it would be along at 20:40 had been fed a porkie by her computer.  We need an intermediate signal to do that - I wonder if providing such a signal might be cheaper and easier than fixing the prediction software  ;)

    Train rolls in at 20:50 (exactly as I had predicted to other passengers on the platform!) ... although I was catching the 21:06 from Westbury, I wasn't too worried as the help point lady said that was running 20 late.  And indeed so - chaos at Westbury, and a 25 minute delay.

    I speculated to myself that this was the final run before retirement of the driver of the Paddington train, and he was so sad to be retiring he was taking his time.  Crew on the train were talking about speed restrictions due to hot weather (no mention of pigeon) but it did seem there was an awful lot of relief line running.  Rolled into Paddington an hour late - around 23:30.

    Edit to correct typos


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on June 20, 2017, 20:28:10
    This was a quote on the WNXX Forum:
    Quote

    Just to sum up how awful yesterday was:

    GWR evening peak PPM was just 1.6%
    High Speed Services evening peak PPM was 3.8%
    London/Thames Valley evening peak PPM was 0%
    West evening PPM did better at 12.5%

    A shocker of a day with just one train arriving into Paddington making PPM!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oberon on June 20, 2017, 20:42:20
    Please tell me someone that these idiots are not preparing to run (in to the ground) South West Trains as well..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 20, 2017, 20:48:07
    Aren't Network Rail picking up these delay minutes? Hardly fault of GWR?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on June 20, 2017, 20:55:23
     Cheer up, tomorrow is forecast to be even hotter, more speed restrictions, more train failures, and more dead air conditioning.
    After that thunderstorms and lightning are expected. I seem to recall a lightning strike disabling the signalling over a wide area, followed by reassurances that this was very rare and unlikely to happen again until it occurred again within a couple of weeks.
    Do the axle counters work in heavy rain yet ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on June 20, 2017, 21:14:29
    and more dead air conditioning.

    Not Thames Valley infrastructure but on the subject of air-con, the Customer Host this afternoon mentioned that only 2 coaches had working air-con on our 7 coach set. Fortunately it was before the evening rush hour, but I guess the next working was going to be decidedly uncomfortable with a train load of passengers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on June 20, 2017, 21:43:53
    and more dead air conditioning.

    Not Thames Valley infrastructure but on the subject of air-con, the Customer Host this afternoon mentioned that only 2 coaches had working air-con on our 7 coach set. Fortunately it was before the evening rush hour, but I guess the next working was going to be decidedly uncomfortable with a train load of passengers.
    And why does it constantly fail on High Speed Train's (HST)s? Because passengers will not close the drop down windows in the vestibules when leaving/joining the train.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 20, 2017, 22:05:42
    You can hardly blame passengers for failing to do that.  The blame lies with old fashioned and dangerous opening windows, and old air-con technology.  One of the benefits of new trains is that air-con is generally much better, the 387s are already demonstrating that and I've little doubt the new 800 series trains will do the same.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 20, 2017, 22:15:05
    and more dead air conditioning.

    Not Thames Valley infrastructure but on the subject of air-con, the Customer Host this afternoon mentioned that only 2 coaches had working air-con on our 7 coach set. Fortunately it was before the evening rush hour, but I guess the next working was going to be decidedly uncomfortable with a train load of passengers.
    And why does it constantly fail on HSTs? Because passengers will not close the drop down windows in the vestibules when leaving/joining the train.
    You can hardly blame passengers for failing to do that.  The blame lies with old fashioned and dangerous opening windows, and old air-con technology.  One of the benefits of new trains is that air-con is generally much better, the 387s are already demonstrating that and I've little doubt the new 800 series trains will do the same.

    The air handling system on an HST (Mk3) coach is very similar to the design used on Mk2 d, e, f.  These air con systems were design for a 50/50% split in each coach being smoking and non smoking, can you remember those day  :-X  The air flow is designed for enter at the non smoking end and extracted from the smoking end.  Its quite a big ask for the air handling unit to do this, where as modern trains 387 etc have a much more distributed air handling system.

    Also remember the Mk3 air con system is basically 40 years old, parts will have been changed and mods done but basically a 40 year old design, how many car on the road have 40 year old air con or offices that have 40 year old air con systems


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on June 20, 2017, 23:58:23
    Another example of the benefit of new trains over old.

    But the 'HSTs Must Plod On' brigade will doubtless say that sweltering is a small price to pay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 21, 2017, 01:10:05
    Aren't Network Rail picking up these delay minutes? Hardly fault of GWR?

    Whilst the initial course of the disruption my well-being Network Rail's fault, GWR are responsible for minimising the resulting delays.  This is something they continue to be woeful at doing.  Removing operational staff at Cardiff, Westbury and Oxford recently is an indication of how ridiculous their strategy for improvement is.

    They have become much better at dealing with planned disruption, such as engineering blockades, but continue to fall apart when dealing with unplanned disruption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 21, 2017, 05:05:15
    The air handling system on an HST (Mk3) coach is very similar to the design used on Mk2 d, e, f.  These air con systems were design for a 50/50% split in each coach being smoking and non smoking, can you remember those day  :-X  The air flow is designed for enter at the non smoking end and extracted from the smoking end.  Its quite a big ask for the air handling unit to do this, where as modern trains 387 etc have a much more distributed air handling system.

    I never cease to be a-mazed at the depth of knowledge and the things I learn here.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 21, 2017, 05:26:09
    Aren't Network Rail picking up these delay minutes? Hardly fault of GWR?

    Whilst the initial course of the disruption my well-being Network Rail's fault, GWR are responsible for minimising the resulting delays.

    How do the "financials" stack up?   Is the system set up so that it's in a TOCs short term financial interest to minimise NR caused delays?

    One can imagine a scenario (surely not the case?) where a delay that a third party such as Network Rail leads to increasing compensation payments to the TOC the more minutes that can be attributed back to it.  If compensation received is more than compensation paid out, this would lead to an accountant's temptation to discourage measures that would get things back on schedule quicker.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 21, 2017, 05:39:07
    Aren't Network Rail picking up these delay minutes? Hardly fault of GWR?

    Whilst the initial course of the disruption my well-being Network Rail's fault, GWR are responsible for minimising the resulting delays.

    How do the "financials" stack up?   Is the system set up so that it's in a TOCs short term financial interest to minimise NR caused delays?

    One can imagine a scenario (surely not the case?) where a delay that a third party such as Network Rail leads to increasing compensation payments to the TOC the more minutes that can be attributed back to it.  If compensation received is more than compensation paid out, this would lead to an accountant's temptation to discourage measures that would get things back on schedule quicker.

    I can recall a number of discussions on this topic, GWR have been asked on several occasions for the figures as to compensation received from NR v compensation paid out to customers for given incidents and whilst they have always refused to disclose it there is little doubt that the former massively outweighs the latter - for one thing, the compensation from NR is contractual and doesn't rely on individuals claiming it (and being prepared to wait for weeks/months for a reply) - so whilst GWR are perversely indirectly incentivised to string out delays  I wouldn't suggest that they do that, good old fashioned incompetence/inefficiency is the main reason, however resting easy in the knowledge that they are going to be compensated by NR certainly takes the commercial heat out of the situation for them (whilst their customers melt in the heat!)

    If you hit GWR with a Customer satisfaction KPI on which senior management bonuses/salary increases were dependent, then you would see some more urgency, it tends to concentrate minds wonderfully if the Boss thinks he's going to take a hit to the pocket.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 21, 2017, 06:45:09
    There's certainly a marked difference in the approach of GWR to an NR caused delay and one they've caused - that's nothing new.  Though as TG says the systems in place are woefully inadequate to deal with either.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on June 21, 2017, 07:22:09
    This was a quote on the WNXX Forum:
    Quote

    Just to sum up how awful yesterday was:

    GWR evening peak PPM was just 1.6%
    High Speed Services evening peak PPM was 3.8%
    London/Thames Valley evening peak PPM was 0%
    West evening PPM did better at 12.5%

    A shocker of a day with just one train arriving into Paddington making PPM!

    But obviously no danger of a Void Day being declared to ensure that all passengers affected receive something approaching adequate compensation??  No, no danger at all. 😒


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on June 21, 2017, 10:52:15

    But obviously no danger of a Void Day being declared to ensure that all passengers affected receive something approaching adequate compensation??  No, no danger at all. 😒

    "Unlikely" according to GWR's Twitter team.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 21, 2017, 11:02:19
    The magic word is 'day'. If that had happened at start of service, I suspect the Thames Valley & High Speed Train (HST) charter grouos may have got one, but not for less than a full days disruption.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 21, 2017, 11:47:20
    And also morexlikely when the delay minutes are atributable to themselves, rather than some other, like Network Rail in this case, who will fully refund GWR for all costs/compensation for each & every minute atributed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 21, 2017, 12:18:32
    And the money goes round and round and the train service doesn't improve.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 21, 2017, 18:37:15

    But obviously no danger of a Void Day being declared to ensure that all passengers affected receive something approaching adequate compensation??  No, no danger at all. 😒

    "Unlikely" according to GWR's Twitter team.

    Is this the same Twitter team that were too busy to do updates on Monday due to individual queries? I think most of us can accept delays happen but GWR need to talk to their customers.

    My train home was on time today except the usual 8 coach (or maybe 7) 125 was replaced by a 2 coach Turbo. On the train I did catch there was an announcement that air con was only working in one or two coaches and passengers should move to one of these coaches. Great advice except there's people standing in the aisle and others running up and down the platform trying to get on. It may have been well intentioned advice but it was met with withering scorn where I was standing.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 21, 2017, 19:10:19
    Sounds truly horrific....the 1736 is packed at the best of times....suspect the High Speed Train (HST) was nicked to transport the great unwashed to Glastonbury.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 21, 2017, 19:29:18
    17:29 from Swansea
    17:45 from Paddington
    18:31 from Oxford
    18:50 from Paddington

    All cancelled and the 17:49 from Paddington is 5 car instead of 8, and 17:36 2 car instead of 8
    All the units for the above services have failed apparently, that's quite a large proportion of HSTs


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 21, 2017, 21:08:16
    Surprisingly good performance today from NR and GWR.  A few delays/cancellations/short forms, but overall not too bad given it was the hottest day of the four day heatwave (hottest June days in over 40 years), the disruption of the previous three days (especially Monday) and sets being nicked for Glastonbury.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 21, 2017, 21:44:50
    I've just taken a quick peek at Open Train Times - there are currently 9 trains queued on the UM between Hayes and Burnham but then you have to go back as far as Cholsey to find the next one - so I'd say the rush hour is most definitely not looking good.

    A word of warning for those who may be relying on it for information, OTT appears to be suffering from the heat as well as it seems to be lagging by over 5 minutes on the actual position of trains.

    Just for interest there is a detailed explanation of the problems which affected OTT on Monday here - https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/ (https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on June 21, 2017, 22:56:07
    So other than someone having a pre-cooked meal, and some feathers for a new hat to go to Ascot with, do we actually know what happened last night, and why on earth it took so long to sort out?

    There is a 1967 British Transport Film called "Second Nature". The main theme of the film concerns repairs to the catenary wire following a flashover under a bridge triggered by a crow.

    Fifty years on...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 22, 2017, 00:55:08
    Perhaps ElectricTrain can elaborate on whether the new electrification equipment provides any extra resilience against this rare but potentially very disruptive bird risk?  I believe Monday's incident occurred near West Ealing so that's obviously an older section done in the mid 90s.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 22, 2017, 02:48:49
    Just for interest there is a detailed explanation of the problems which affected OTT on Monday here - https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/ (https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/)

    An excellent and unusual example of the provision of feedback to a quite detailed level. There are others (web, train operation and infrastructure) who could do worse than follow the example.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 22, 2017, 07:22:49
    Surprisingly good performance today from NR and GWR.  A few delays/cancellations/short forms, but overall not too bad given it was the hottest day of the four day heatwave (hottest June days in over 40 years), the disruption of the previous three days (especially Monday) and sets being nicked for Glastonbury.


    .......which goes to show that whilst you can't polish a turd, it's always possible to scatter a little glitter over it! ;-)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 22, 2017, 20:26:09
    Perhaps ElectricTrain can elaborate on whether the new electrification equipment provides any extra resilience against this rare but potentially very disruptive bird risk?  I believe Monday's incident occurred near West Ealing so that's obviously an older section done in the mid 90s.

    Bird strikes on OLE used to be very common on the older Mk1 (what was on most of the WCML) Anglia suffer from swan and goose bird strikes.............. now they do make a mess, however bird strikes are not so common Mk3 and UK series 1

    If it was in the Ealing area it could have been a couple of pigeons getting a bit frisky on perhaps one of the bridge arms under the "tunnels"

    Birds (pigeon size) make a mess of insulators.


    The OLE engineers have designed out places where birds can roost and nest on OLE and generally birds don't like pan wells because the trains move

    The other thing that can happen is birds nesting or roosting in the Pan wells on traction units.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 22, 2017, 21:27:47
    Perhaps ElectricTrain can elaborate on whether the new electrification equipment provides any extra resilience against this rare but potentially very disruptive bird risk?  I believe Monday's incident occurred near West Ealing so that's obviously an older section done in the mid 90s.

    Bird strikes on OLE used to be very common on the older Mk1 (what was on most of the WCML) Anglia suffer from swan and goose bird strikes.............. now they do make a mess, however bird strikes are not so common Mk3 and UK series 1

    If it was in the Ealing area it could have been a couple of pigeons getting a bit frisky on perhaps one of the bridge arms under the "tunnels"

    Birds (pigeon size) make a mess of insulators.


    The OLE engineers have designed out places where birds can roost and nest on OLE and generally birds don't like pan wells because the trains move

    The other thing that can happen is birds nesting or roosting in the Pan wells on traction units.

    Swan and Goose strikes? 

    If the infrastructure is so feeble that a small, humble pigeon can turn the service to rats**t for the best part of a day and evening, God knows what a swan could do? No service for a week?

    Maybe scarecrows in GWR uniforms could be strategically positioned trackside to frighten them off?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 22, 2017, 21:59:28

    A word of warning for those who may be relying on it for information, OTT appears to be suffering from the heat as well as it seems to be lagging by over 5 minutes on the actual position of trains.

    Just for interest there is a detailed explanation of the problems which affected OTT on Monday here - https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/ (https://blog.opentraintimes.com/2017/06/19/post-incident-review/)

    Lagging by 10 minutes or so tonight as well, but I think that's a problem with the NR feed rather than OTT as the railcam maps are also lagging by the same amount.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 22, 2017, 22:30:41
    Perhaps ElectricTrain can elaborate on whether the new electrification equipment provides any extra resilience against this rare but potentially very disruptive bird risk?  I believe Monday's incident occurred near West Ealing so that's obviously an older section done in the mid 90s.

    Bird strikes on OLE used to be very common on the older Mk1 (what was on most of the WCML) Anglia suffer from swan and goose bird strikes.............. now they do make a mess, however bird strikes are not so common Mk3 and UK series 1

    If it was in the Ealing area it could have been a couple of pigeons getting a bit frisky on perhaps one of the bridge arms under the "tunnels"

    Birds (pigeon size) make a mess of insulators.


    The OLE engineers have designed out places where birds can roost and nest on OLE and generally birds don't like pan wells because the trains move

    The other thing that can happen is birds nesting or roosting in the Pan wells on traction units.

    Swan and Goose strikes? 

    If the infrastructure is so feeble that a small, humble pigeon can turn the service to rats**t for the best part of a day and evening, God knows what a swan could do? No service for a week?

    Maybe scarecrows in GWR uniforms could be strategically positioned trackside to frighten them off?

    Usually pigeons just go phut in a big cloud of feathers often not even tripping the circuit breakers feeding a section.

    I don't know what happened Monday, if the mortal remains of a bird stayed put which meant the ECR keep getting circuit breaker trips and if the MOMs cannot clear it with the live working tools they have then the OLE team is called out to site to inspect the suspect area, the protection relays used on OLE circuit breakers give a reasonably accurate location of where the fault is and usually the MOMs can deal with things quite quickly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on June 22, 2017, 23:07:51
    I heard there was more concern with the debris on the track than usual, and that took an unduakly long time to get clearance / cleared


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on June 22, 2017, 23:32:39
    I heard there was more concern with the debris on the track than usual, and that took an unduakly long time to get clearance / cleared

    I assumed, from the time it took, that the condition of the bridge was the issue. Such as: peering into the hole left by the flashover, and waggling the potentially loose bits round the edge, it looked as if a lot more might be ready to fall on the track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on June 23, 2017, 10:26:53
    I assumed, from the time it took, that the condition of the bridge was the issue. Such as: peering into the hole left by the flashover, and waggling the potentially loose bits round the edge, it looked as if a lot more might be ready to fall on the track.
    Also https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/partial-collapse-of-a-bridge-onto-open-railway-lines-at-barrow-upon-soar (https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/partial-collapse-of-a-bridge-onto-open-railway-lines-at-barrow-upon-soar) has just been published, so maybe a touch of extra caution regarding possible damage to overbridges was appropriate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 23, 2017, 19:18:52
    I heard there was more concern with the debris on the track than usual, and that took an unduakly long time to get clearance / cleared

    Ok, Barrow-upon-Soar incident is perhaps not quite the same as the Ealing one. 

    If the Ealing incident was caused by a bird and this lead to a flashover from the OLE to a masonry over bridge the discharge of electrical energy as an earth fault into a relatively high impedance, this can result in the masonry fracturing (exploding), indeed its has been know for the fault current to travel tens of metres through the masonry before the protection clears the fault, its should noted that we are talking a max of 200mS.

    The mitigate / control OLE to masonry over bridges earthed metal strips are now run on the underside of the bridge in flash over strike zone, normally 2 parallel strips.  In some locations insulating shrouds are fitted on the top of the catenary, this is generally not likes by the OLE engineer as they require a lot of maintenance, another measure can be to paint the underside of the bridge with insulating paint this is expensive and again can be high maintenance.

    The use of earthed strips has only been a requirement for about 5 or 6 years.   Anyone travelling through Slough at a relatively low speed look at the underside of Stoke Rd Bridge (this is the at the West end of the station) and you will see the strips on the underside of the bridge above the OLE


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 23, 2017, 23:23:28

    2 coaches again for the 17.36. not a chance of getting on.

    From what people said above this is planned changes around Glastonbury so why not give passengers a chance and advertise it? I got a text just before 17.00 by which time I was already committed to my commute across London but it sounds like this had been planned some time in advance but there was nothing on the GWR website about formation changes when I left work. To me it doesn't seem a difficult thing to communicate around planned work.

    On a different topic is customer service/communication part of the infrastructure thread as it doesn't quite sit with the conversations about OLE or even 125 air con (I never knew that!)? Happy to start a separate thread although I worry it might just be me and Taplow Green comparing journeys home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on June 24, 2017, 05:51:27
    2 coaches again for the 17.36. not a chance of getting on.
    I wonder how many years before we are seeing such a post/complaint on the Trans Wilts board.  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 24, 2017, 06:34:38
    2 coaches again for the 17.36. not a chance of getting on.
    I wonder how many years before we are seeing such a post/complaint on the Trans Wilts board.  :D

    I was thinking of offering a swap of their 17:36 for our 17:36.   I will glady accept that turbo and they can borrow Casper  ;D .


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 24, 2017, 07:25:47

    2 coaches again for the 17.36. not a chance of getting on.

    From what people said above this is planned changes around Glastonbury so why not give passengers a chance and advertise it? I got a text just before 17.00 by which time I was already committed to my commute across London but it sounds like this had been planned some time in advance but there was nothing on the GWR website about formation changes when I left work. To me it doesn't seem a difficult thing to communicate around planned work.

    On a different topic is customer service/communication part of the infrastructure thread as it doesn't quite sit with the conversations about OLE or even 125 air con (I never knew that!)? Happy to start a separate thread although I worry it might just be me and Taplow Green comparing journeys home.

    1742 Electric was noticeably busier last night, I think a lot of Maidenhead passengers took that option rather than the 1736 matchbox!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 26, 2017, 06:06:29
    All the Stations ... "Maidenhaed to Marylebone"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL2PQ0zteps&feature=youtu.be


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 26, 2017, 07:10:16
    .....welcome to the new week!

    Alterations to services at Oxford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford the line towards Didcot Parkway is closed.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:45 26/06.
    Further Information
    Owing to some signalling issues we are currently only able to operate a very limited train service from Oxford towards Didcot Parkway or Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 05, 2017, 18:05:58
    Get ready for a fun evening everyone, got the 1742 from Paddington, now stuck at Southall.......

    Delays to services between West Drayton and Southall
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Drayton and Southall some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 05/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 05, 2017, 18:25:40
    I was just ahead of you TG on the 1733 from PAD. We've just been authorised to pass next 5 signals at danger on down main. You were lucky to be able to cross to down relief and pass us. We have to stop at each red for driver to call signaller and get authorisation to continue.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 05, 2017, 18:54:48
    Quite a list of long distance services cancelled or starting from Reading. I feel for those stuck at Paddington on this very warm evening trying to get home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 05, 2017, 19:09:33
    I've just left Reading for Castle Cary 65 late. Rather perversely after the delay had crept past 45 minutes I was hoping for another 15 mins at least. I get half my fare back!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 05, 2017, 19:10:55
    Paddington is a mess.
    I specifically did a count of official personnel on the concourse and counted as follows:
    BTP: 6
    Network Rail: 2
    GWR: 0
    When are they going to learn?!?

    I've decamped to marlybone and can report the following
    1) I have a seat
    2) it has working aircon

    I will be billing GWR for my connecting taxi which should cost no more than £50.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 05, 2017, 19:38:58
    Could I ask our signalling experts what a 'module' is. It's one of these that apparently failed this evening.

    And are these modules 'cheap Chinese crap' as I heard it described by a member of GWR staff?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 05, 2017, 19:44:21
    I've just left Reading for Castle Cary 65 late. Rather perversely after the delay had crept past 45 minutes I was hoping for another 15 mins at least. I get half my fare back!
    Yes I've been in that situation where you want the late running service you are on to just be a bit more late so you can at least have the satisfaction of getting some or all of your money back!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 05, 2017, 19:46:45
    Could I ask our signalling experts what a 'module' is. It's one of these that apparently failed this evening.

    And are these modules 'cheap Chinese crap' as I heard it described by a member of GWR staff?

    Cheap, I very much doubt it !
    Chinese, probably, or if made elsewhere almost certainly incorporating Chinese components or sub-assemblies.
    Crap, Rather subjective, but going by the poor and apparently worsening reliability, then IMO, crap.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 05, 2017, 19:57:00
    Could I ask our signalling experts what a 'module' is. It's one of these that apparently failed this evening.

    And are these modules 'cheap Chinese crap' as I heard it described by a member of GWR staff?
    The signalling in that area is an upgraded version of the original 1992 BR Solid State Interlocking (SSI).  The interlocking is triplicated in a 'two out of three configuration' (i.e. it requires two of the three to agree before giving an output) and is located at the Thames Valley Signalling Centre (TVSC) at Didcot.  The interlocking is connected to the trackside equipment by means of two diverse data links using a pair of Long Distance Terminals (LDT).  At the local site the remote data links are connected to the local data links via duplicated Data Link Modules (DLM). The actual signals and points are interfaced to by a Trackside Functional Module (TFM) which although a single unit has two independent processors built into it, one connected to each separate data link.  In theory no single failure should close down the whole system.  All of this equipment is of British manufacture although the firms that make it are French (Alstom) and German (Siemens).

    Hope thats not too technical?

    Oh dear just realised thats a lot more acronyms/abbreviations for CfN...... ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 05, 2017, 20:08:39
    Thanks for that explanation, S&TE.

    So, cheap British and European crap then?  :P ;) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 05, 2017, 20:16:15
    Thanks for that explanation, S&TE.

    So, cheap British and European crap then?  :P ;) ;D
    I can tell you that all of those modules I mentioned are certainly not cheap.

    Personally I think there must be a fundamental underlying issue with the system configuration in the original Paddington to Hayes scheme as we don't seem to suffer quite as many failures on other more newer areas using the same equipment and system configuration.  Of course relay interlockings are much more reliable than modern electronic kit (look for example at Plymouth which is still using its original 1960 relay equipment and I can count the number of failures of that installation over the past 20 years on one hand).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 05, 2017, 20:43:32
    Whether Chinese or British, cheap or expensive, it's clearly crap, like the rest of the service, and GWR's attitude to its customers........reports of people fainting on crush loaded trains in the heat tonight (.........but hey no doubt we'll be told that it's their own fault for boarding in the first place)

    Here's a good example of the level of information customers are provided with during severe disruption (taken by a pal tonight at Paddington)

    People still being told to complain to the non responsive @gwr email address, Twitter in meltdown

    Well worth the steep rise in fares announced today..............



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on July 05, 2017, 20:45:45


    Personally I think there must be a fundamental underlying issue with the system configuration in the original Paddington to Hayes scheme as we don't seem to suffer quite as many failures on other more newer areas using the same equipment and system configuration.  Of course relay interlockings are much more reliable than modern electronic kit (look for example at Plymouth which is still using its original 1960 relay equipment and I can count the number of failures of that installation over the past 20 years on one hand).

    +1 Thanks for the explanation!

    The BR SSI was a well-proven system and my recollection from 1992 onwards when the Slough New (SN) scheme was implemented was that it was pretty reliable. Given all the inbuilt redundancy you describe I'm wondering what's changed in the past three years to make it fall over so regularly. Can't be the change to axle counters, can it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 05, 2017, 20:58:56
    What steep rise in fares is that, TG?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 05, 2017, 21:03:35
    What steep rise in fares is that, TG?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/rail-commuters-face-brexit-fare-hike-of-nearly-four-times-the-one-per-cent-public-sector-pay-cap-a3580271.html

    .....................and on this occasion there is absolutely no need for you to ask "oooooooooooooo's gunna pay for it?"........we all are!!!  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 05, 2017, 21:07:00
    Thanks for that explanation, S&TE.

    So, cheap British and European crap then?  :P ;) ;D
    I can tell you that all of those modules I mentioned are certainly not cheap.

    Personally I think there must be a fundamental underlying issue with the system configuration in the original Paddington to Hayes scheme as we don't seem to suffer quite as many failures on other more newer areas using the same equipment and system configuration.  Of course relay interlockings are much more reliable than modern electronic kit (look for example at Plymouth which is still using its original 1960 relay equipment and I can count the number of failures of that installation over the past 20 years on one hand).

    The thing that does give SSI (Solid State Interlocking) a problem at times is the signalling power supply; certain modules will fail safe if they are unhappy with power that they are supplied with which requires a signal tech to reset them.  Occasionally if there is a problem external to the railway with the DNO system this can cause problems; UPS have been installed and are being installed in a lot of the supply points.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 06, 2017, 08:13:00
    Appears things weren't too good at Waterloo last evening either:
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/825203/London-Waterloo-Paddington-travel-commuting-delays-train-rail-rush-hour

    Quote
    Passengers were left stranded at London Waterloo, one of the country's busiest stations, after a track fault closed two platforms. Britons also reported mass delays at Paddington, around four miles away, as they desperately tried to get home during rush hour. They vented their anger on social media as temperatures rose to 82F (28C) on one of the hottest days of the year.

    Graeme Hutchison‏ tweeted: "Not a good day for South West Trains or Waterloo. Cancellations and delays all over the boards." Poppy Rose wrote: "Avoid Paddington at all costs. No trains are allowed to leave the station due to signal failure. Waterloo has the same issue." Another user added: "Current situation at Paddington. No trains leaving the station at rush hour. No info on any of the screens, just lots of hot, tired people."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 06, 2017, 08:37:00
    We increasingly have a fair weather only railway that seems unable to cope with entirely predictable temperatures, or with rain or wind.

    Any reasonable passenger would expect disruption in truly extreme conditions, but by "truly extreme" I mean winds of 100MPH, or 10 foot deep snow drifts, or temperatures that break records.

    Large scale disruptions certainly seem to have got worse in recent years. Of course breakdowns occurred back in the old days, but I do not recall major London termini EVER being closed in the rush hours, yet now it seems to happen several times a year.
    Paddington seems to be the worst in recent years, with Waterloo being a close second.

    I expect it to get worse as more and more signalling is controlled from large centralised and remote signalling control centres. And of course electrification though a good thing in theory has added another risk of large scale failure, more exploding pigeons and more chance of failures in windy weather.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2017, 09:02:53
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 06/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2017, 10:35:56
    We increasingly have a fair weather only railway that seems unable to cope with entirely predictable temperatures, or with rain or wind.

    Any reasonable passenger would expect disruption in truly extreme conditions, but by "truly extreme" I mean winds of 100MPH, or 10 foot deep snow drifts, or temperatures that break records.

    Large scale disruptions certainly seem to have got worse in recent years. Of course breakdowns occurred back in the old days, but I do not recall major London termini EVER being closed in the rush hours, yet now it seems to happen several times a year.
    Paddington seems to be the worst in recent years, with Waterloo being a close second.

    I expect it to get worse as more and more signalling is controlled from large centralised and remote signalling control centres. And of course electrification though a good thing in theory has added another risk of large scale failure, more exploding pigeons and more chance of failures in windy weather.

    You just have to be patient. Once GWR have finished "building a Greater West" everything will be fine & dandy and we will move into broad, sunlit uplands with no delays, plenty of seats, trains/air conditioning/signals that dont break down every 5 minutes and even emails answered within 6 months.....staff will be easy to find at stations and will rush forward to offer assistance rather than picking their noses and scowling at passers by......you may even find them working on Sundays......I'm not sure which year, or even decade this huge leap forward will take place, but it is scheduled for April 1st.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 06, 2017, 16:09:53
    .....and to back up what I said earlier in this thread the signalling has just failed again at Hayes (1600 on 06/07/2017) ::) :P

    Paddington at a standstill as well.  Seems nothing being let out to avoid blocking up the whole area for the next few hours.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2017, 16:12:12
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Newbury and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 06/07.

    Is this how GWR is currently reporting the Hayes problem ?
    "Due to a fault on this train between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:00 06/07."

    Edit: now amended to read: Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.

    Multiple signalling problems further out west too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: mjones on July 06, 2017, 16:24:14
    Thanks for the heads up! Would my Travel Card from Didcot allow me to go via Marylebone and Oxford?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2017, 16:34:03
    The advice now reads:

    Customer Advice:
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    South West Trains are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    First in Berkshire & The Thames Valley are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2017, 16:36:53
    .....and to back up what I said earlier in this thread the signalling has just failed again at Hayes (1600 on 06/07/2017) ::) :P

    Paddington at a standstill as well.  Seems nothing being let out to avoid blocking up the whole area for the next few hours.

    You really couldn't make it up could you? Totally unfit for purpose.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on July 06, 2017, 16:57:06
    Thanks for the heads up! Would my Travel Card from Didcot allow me to go via Marylebone and Oxford?

    Judging from Jason's post I would consider the answer to be 'yes'

    Allow plenty of time though because the Marylebone-Oxford trains get quickly wedged once Paddington is stuffed. They're mostly 5 car units every 30 mins (more in the peak with one loco-hauled service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on July 06, 2017, 16:59:32
    I am half hoping Chris Grayling is caught up in all this , after his visit to us  out in the sticks and returning to his ivory tower.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on July 06, 2017, 17:02:02
    .....and to back up what I said earlier in this thread the signalling has just failed again at Hayes (1600 on 06/07/2017) ::) :P

    Paddington at a standstill as well.  Seems nothing being let out to avoid blocking up the whole area for the next few hours.

    You really couldn't make it up could you? Totally unfit for purpose.

    Quite. Looks like I was lucky in managing to miss this. Completed my meetings in London and decided to head home early catching the 14:30 from Padd which was fine - even had working aircon.

    Looks like still nothing moving out of Padd. Another screwed up evening peak to come  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: mjones on July 06, 2017, 17:07:47
    Thanks for the heads up! Would my Travel Card from Didcot allow me to go via Marylebone and Oxford?

    Judging from Jason's post I would consider the answer to be 'yes'

    Allow plenty of time though because the Marylebone-Oxford trains get quickly wedged once Paddington is stuffed. They're mostly 5 car units every 30 mins (more in the peak with one loco-hauled service.

    Fortunately I was on the bus to Paddington so easily diverted to Marylebone and am now sitting in an air conditioned train  leaving in ten minutes not stuck at Paddington!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 06, 2017, 17:07:57
    If its two nights on the trot GWR might need to reinforce those 6 BTP at Paddington that I observed last night.

    What an utter utter farce.  And zero compensation for season ticket holders for this.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 06, 2017, 17:15:05
    If its two nights on the trot GWR might need to reinforce those 6 BTP at Paddington that I observed last night.

    What an utter utter farce.  And zero compensation for season ticket holders for this.

    And passengers using the Cotswold Line had no morning peak service due to the failure of the 04:50 Hereford blocking the line at Charlbury for two hours. Wonder what the justification will be for not declaring a void day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 06, 2017, 17:58:21
    At 17:56

    Quote
    Network Rail engineers are on site, but are unlikley to be able to fix the problem within 2 hrs. Customers are advised to postpone journeys, while those that are able travel at any time tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 06, 2017, 17:58:42
    At least this time the website is saying major disruptions rather than last nights some trains may be delayed up to 30 mins.

    I also noticed the Twitter team was being slightly more conciliatory when season tickets complained telling them to email GWR rather than that's your terms and conditions tough. Although that's not going to help the email backlog much.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2017, 18:05:01
    If it wasn't before, I think it is now time for a deep level cross-industry enquiry regarding the ongoing signalling reliability between Maidenhead and Paddington.  There are far too many minor outages and far too many major ones such as today and yesterday.  With the ever increasing numbers of people wanting to travel by train, this simply isn't good enough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2017, 18:07:46
    At 17:56

    Quote
    Network Rail engineers are on site, but are unlikley to be able to fix the problem within 2 hrs. Customers are advised to postpone journeys, while those that are able travel at any time tomorrow.

    That's utterly pathetic "postpone journeys"....how are people supposed to get home?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 06, 2017, 18:17:00
    Spoke to soon. Apparently all lines blocked out of Paddington is a minor disruption. Go customer service.

    Any idea if the stoppers from Reading might run some way into London for the final leg of the Waterloo to Reading journey? According to the website all running and all on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 06, 2017, 18:30:46
    Kinda sums it up really....

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/pad0607.png)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 06, 2017, 18:46:38
    If it wasn't before, I think it is now time for a deep level cross-industry enquiry regarding the ongoing signalling reliability between Maidenhead and Paddington.  There are far too many minor outages and far too many major ones such as today and yesterday.  With the ever increasing numbers of people wanting to travel by train, this simply isn't good enough.

    Hear, hear. This thread should be forwarded to the DfT. It's an excellent catalogue of the frequent failings of infrastructure in the Thames Valley. The ministers in the department need to start kicking butts at Network Rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 06, 2017, 18:49:49
    The interlocking is connected to the trackside equipment by means of two diverse data links using a pair of Long Distance Terminals (LDT).

    I am told the A link failed today and when the techs tried to use the B link it established briefly and then also went down.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on July 06, 2017, 18:52:54

     ''Better go to plan C, then  ''


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 06, 2017, 18:54:12
    They have - stop everything.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 06, 2017, 19:45:28
    From this tweeted photo I assume that the guy in the distance in the hi-vis is the sum total of Customer Service at Reading tonight!

    https://twitter.com/Sarah_CSR/status/883031136213114880 (https://twitter.com/Sarah_CSR/status/883031136213114880)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 06, 2017, 19:58:41
    Realtime Trains is suggesting the 15:49 Paddington - Moreton-in-Marsh has been stationary near the Heathrow Airport Junction since 16:12 (as at 19:56). Is that really the case, or what have GWR managed to do with services which had departed from Paddington and then got caught up in the chaos?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 06, 2017, 20:12:03
    This thread should be forwarded to the DfT. It's an excellent catalogue of the frequent failings of infrastructure in the Thames Valley. The ministers in the department need to start kicking butts at Network Rail.

    It's a public thread ... anyone is free to forward a copy and judging by the number of "like"s you have, someone probably has already.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 06, 2017, 20:16:09
    GWR could IMHO have done better WRT informing and assisting passengers, but we must remember that the root cause is the failure of network rail infrastructure, yet again.

    Does anyone know how many people have been trapped on trains for hours, and are there any plans for rescue/evacuation ?

    And what about those with longer journeys to make, is it just a case of sleeping on the concourse at Paddington, or there any plans to obtain taxis or coaches to Cornwall ?
    For those who can get home via Waterloo, are there any plans to run an all night service from Waterloo to Exeter etc. And connecting taxis.

    In short, is anyone in authority actually DOING ANYTHING to help those stranded, or is it just a case of hoping for the best. (and hiding)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 06, 2017, 20:27:48
    Realtime Trains is suggesting the 15:49 Paddington - Moreton-in-Marsh has been stationary near the Heathrow Airport Junction since 16:12 (as at 19:56). Is that really the case, or what have GWR managed to do with services which had departed from Paddington and then got caught up in the chaos?

    I think there have been problems with the feeds these sites rely on - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15702.msg216277#msg216277 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15702.msg216277#msg216277)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 06, 2017, 20:33:06
    Realtime Trains is suggesting the 15:49 Paddington - Moreton-in-Marsh has been stationary near the Heathrow Airport Junction since 16:12 (as at 19:56). Is that really the case, or what have GWR managed to do with services which had departed from Paddington and then got caught up in the chaos?

    I think there have been problems with the feeds these sites rely on - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15702.msg216277#msg216277 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15702.msg216277#msg216277)

    I suspected that might have been the case but - even so - what did happen to that service (and others)? Did it eventually get through to Reading or was it sent back towards Paddington?

    Edit - Realtime Trains is now showing it having arrived at Slough 269 minutes late, and National Rail Enquiries says it will arrive at Moreton-in-Marsh at 21:45!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 06, 2017, 20:37:29
    Realtime Trains is suggesting the 15:49 Paddington - Moreton-in-Marsh has been stationary near the Heathrow Airport Junction since 16:12 (as at 19:56). Is that really the case,

    Looks like it is, as it has just arrived Slough, 269 late


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 06, 2017, 20:54:17
    Quote
    Network Rail

    London Paddington Signalling has been restored and lines are now open. Apologies for the disruption.

    06 Jul 17 - 20:49

    Well that apology really sounds sincere.......... :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on July 06, 2017, 20:57:52
    Reading right now !

    Three hours on and halfway home.

    Reading overbridge is heaving - why - there are no local TV trains until 23:13

    How is this justified ??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 06, 2017, 21:13:41
    As if it wasn't bad enough for the passengers on the 15:49, it has now just been held at Kennet Loop for around 10 minutes whilst a class 7 freight was routed through, has now arrived Reading 292 late


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 06, 2017, 21:35:56
    As if it wasn't bad enough for the passengers on the 15:49, it has now just been held at Kennet Loop for around 10 minutes whilst a class 7 freight was routed through, has now arrived Reading 292 late

    And left 312 late - that's over five hours. That is some delay whatever the length of journey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: John R on July 06, 2017, 22:04:15
    Actually arrived 312 late and terminated there (maybe not surprisingly, I'm sure the crew are out of hours).  So still a bit longer to wait for those going towards the Cotswold Line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 06, 2017, 22:21:42
    Ooooo I'm going to hit these f**** with a big taxi bill this evening. With a vengeance.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 06, 2017, 22:23:43
    No, it arrived 292 late, and then as Charles said it departed 312 late, hence why RTT says 16:19 - 21:11 (292). It says 312 late because that was the time it did depart,  perhaps it continued empty or as a different headcode, but I saw it leave on OTT around 21:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 06, 2017, 22:48:23
    No, it arrived 292 late, and then as Charles said it departed 312 late, hence why RTT says 16:19 - 21:11 (292). It says 312 late because that was the time it did depart,  perhaps it continued empty or as a different headcode, but I saw it leave on OTT around 21:30

    Might it have become this service, 1Z41 2132 RDG to Worcester Shrub Hill?

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O10218/2017/07/06/advanced (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O10218/2017/07/06/advanced)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2017, 23:03:38
    Just leaving Waterloo on the 2258 to Windsor.. under normal circumstances I'd have been on the 1742 from Paddington-Maidenhead and may have been able to say goodnight to my kids......I believe there are some people who are "proud" to work on the railways. Time to look in the mirror & think very hard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 06, 2017, 23:07:31
    Quote
    Might it have become this service, 1Z41 2132 RDG to Worcester Shrub Hill?
    Yup, that explains that then


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: teamsaint on July 06, 2017, 23:13:20
    If it wasn't before, I think it is now time for a deep level cross-industry enquiry regarding the ongoing signalling reliability between Maidenhead and Paddington.  There are far too many minor outages and far too many major ones such as today and yesterday.  With the ever increasing numbers of people wanting to travel by train, this simply isn't good enough.
    ...and while they are at it, they could do something about the seemingly almost daily signalling problems around Wimbledon/ Clapham .

    Really sorry to hear about the problems  in and out of Paddington, must be miserable for anybody affected,


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 06, 2017, 23:17:43
    Absolutely TG. It is not the ineptitude that I resent but the comtempt that I'm held by GWR workers for trying to just get home. I've taken Friday as holiday as I haven't seen my one year old since Monday due to gwr's doing. Utter utter dishclothes from start to finish.
     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on July 06, 2017, 23:37:25
    Luckily for me it wasn't too bad tonight. I arrived at Maidenhead around 5pm to see platform 3 heaving. Once I found out what was going on, I prepared for a long wait. Couldn't believe my eyes when a freight train went thundering through platform 4. Not only do these things constantly delay paying customers, now they also don't seem to need signals!

    A 3 car service to Reading arrived which saw 99% of the platform cram on (no idea how they actually managed that, it must have been a GWR Tardis). I didn't even bother moving. A short while later there was an announcement that the train at Platform 4 was running back to Reading and advised all passengers for Reading and beyond, or wanting Paddington to travel to Reading and get a service to Waterloo. Train was relatively empty as the vast majority had just crammed on the other 3 car turbo.

    Arrived at Reading expecting to be stranded while we wait for something to get through the signal problems and crawl to Reading, when there was an announcement that the turbo at platform 14A was going to run to Oxford.

    In the end I was home about 20mins late.

    For once, common sense seemed to prevail and they managed to keep some local service running for those passengers not travelling to the affected areas by running the two shuttle services - so kudos for that.

    Sorry to hear everyone else is having such a dire time, especially in this heat (which always makes frustrations boil over even more). Hope you guys manage(d) to get home eventually.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2017, 23:41:29
    Just leaving Waterloo on the 2258 to Windsor.. under normal circumstances I'd have been on the 1742 from Paddington-Maidenhead and may have been able to say goodnight to my kids......I believe there are some people who are "proud" to work on the railways. Time to look in the mirror & think very hard.

    I'm still proud to work on the railway.  I strive to personally do my best at all times for an industry that has its problems but still often provides people with a great experience.  If I can help that happen in some small way, I will.  I am also not afraid to criticise vehemently when people are badly let down as they have been this week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: autotank on July 06, 2017, 23:44:04
    I was supposed to get the 1835 to Taunton. Didn't fancy a cramped and sweaty Waterloo train so hung around for a couple of beers. Eventually got on the wedged 2045 to Bristol which was the first High Speed Train (HST) out of PAD. I was on the bridge so beat the stampede  a and got a seat - thankfully in a coach with AC (several coaches were sweat boxes I hear). We lost loads of time on the way West, but connected with the 2306 to Exeter. Should get to Taunton just after midnight - not looking forward to the ride to Lydeard in the dark. Was hoping to do it in the light and have a pint in the Lethbridge. Ho hum!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 07, 2017, 00:05:27
    Just leaving Waterloo on the 2258 to Windsor.. under normal circumstances I'd have been on the 1742 from Paddington-Maidenhead and may have been able to say goodnight to my kids......I believe there are some people who are "proud" to work on the railways. Time to look in the mirror & think very hard.

    Agree. Many employees work hard and diligently and are justifiably proud of so doing, but this does not excuse the appalling response of GWR and many employees whose response was to hide until it was over.

    In view of the increasing frequency of these major shutdowns, GWR really need to have some more robust contingency plans for hot weather, cold weather, wind and rain. (and exploding pigeons)

    Despite the very poor response by GWR, we must remember that the actual breakdown was not their fault, it was yet another network rail failure. This is beginning to look like basic incompetence.
    Most reasonable passengers would very reluctantly accept even breakdowns on this scale provided that they were truly exceptional. By this I mean once or at the most twice in an average working lifetime, and certainly not several times a year.
    Whilst breakdowns have always occurred, I do not recall London terminals being closed/providing no effective service in the rush hour until relatively recently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 07, 2017, 00:11:45
    No, it arrived 292 late, and then as Charles said it departed 312 late, hence why RTT says 16:19 - 21:11 (292). It says 312 late because that was the time it did depart,  perhaps it continued empty or as a different headcode, but I saw it leave on OTT around 21:30

    Is 5 hours late a record, for a local service in peacetime ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 07, 2017, 03:50:40
    Joint statement issued by GWR and Network Rail.

    Quote
    Major Disruption on the GWR network

    We would like to apologise to customers after a significant signal failure outside London Paddington last night, 6th July, that prevented all trains running in to and out of the station for the second evening in a row.

    We fully recognise the scale of disruption to the many passengers who experienced difficulties traveling, and we are extremely sorry for the challenges it caused.

    Network Rail had teams on the ground to fix the problem as soon as possible, but it took considerably longer than we would have liked before the signalling was restored at 20.18, allowing GWR to start running trains again.

    Network Rail is now conducting an immediate investigation into the cause of this failure and putting in place additional measures to reinforce signalling equipment in the area until the results of the investigation are known, and a permanent solution is in place.

    There will be some disruption during the morning of Friday 7th July as trains are in the wrong place for the start of the day's service. Please check your journey here.

    Passengers affected by the disruption on either evening can find out more about how to claim compensation here.

    Mark Langman,

    Managing Director, Western Route

    Network Rail

    &

    Mark Hopwood

    Managing Director, Great Western Railway


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 07, 2017, 04:00:27
    This morning's cancellations

    05:11 Worcester SH to Paddington
    07:12 Taunton to Paddington
    05:30 Plymouth to Paddington
    (05:53 Plymouth to Paddington to call additionally at Totnes, Dawlish and Pewsey)
    08:20 Plymouth to Penzance
    07:41 Penzance to Paddington
    06:05 Frome to Paddington
    07:59 Swansea to Paddington

    0546 Exeter to Paddington will a 150 as far as Taunton then an HST

    Also some Paddington-Hayes shuttles cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 07, 2017, 06:24:49
    If it wasn't before, I think it is now time for a deep level cross-industry enquiry regarding the ongoing signalling reliability between Maidenhead and Paddington.  There are far too many minor outages and far too many major ones such as today and yesterday.  With the ever increasing numbers of people wanting to travel by train, this simply isn't good enough.

    Well said. If a train operating company failed to provide any kind of service they'd be hauled up in front of the DfT to answe some serious questions. Network Rail seemingly get away with it time and time again. We've had complete meltdowns of the infrastructure at Bristol, twice between Exeter and Taunton and now twice in the Thames Valley in the last 2 to 3 weeks. Someone within Network Rail needs to be made publically accountable for these serious failings because it's becoming increasing apparent that the management within Network Rail Great Western are out of their depth.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jmc85 on July 07, 2017, 07:25:48
    No, it arrived 292 late, and then as Charles said it departed 312 late, hence why RTT says 16:19 - 21:11 (292). It says 312 late because that was the time it did depart,  perhaps it continued empty or as a different headcode, but I saw it leave on OTT around 21:30

    Is 5 hours late a record, for a local service in peacetime ?

    I was on this train from Paddington to Charlbury - it just continued from Reading! Sat down at 1535, got off at Charlbury at 2220 (instead of 1703).

    The four hour stop at Hayes was the highlight - at least platformed so they could open the doors and provide water. This then became an all-stopper to Reading so further delayed progress.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 07, 2017, 07:40:40
    I thought my being stuck at Hayes for an hour the day before was bad enough, but four hours?! You have my sympathy.  :o

    Welcome to the forum.  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jmc85 on July 07, 2017, 07:55:45
    The failure of of the 0633 Charlbury to Paddington in the morning wasn't great either, blocking the line for a few hours!

    Only running 10 minutes late this morning - so all looking positive! Still a while to run yet


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 07, 2017, 08:45:43
    Just leaving Waterloo on the 2258 to Windsor.. under normal circumstances I'd have been on the 1742 from Paddington-Maidenhead and may have been able to say goodnight to my kids......I believe there are some people who are "proud" to work on the railways. Time to look in the mirror & think very hard.

    I'm still proud to work on the railway.  I strive to personally do my best at all times for an industry that has its problems but still often provides people with a great experience.  If I can help that happen in some small way, I will.  I am also not afraid to criticise vehemently when people are badly let down as they have been this week.

    Me too.

    I spend my working day identifying and solving equipment problems, the infrastructure is large, complex and access to do anything to it extremely limited, yet we catch 99.9% of the problems before they become a crises; and I do mean WE its a diverse team of people with different skills that keeps the trains moving.

    The motivation for many is about to sink as NR staff are now classed as public sector so 1% pay rise which will equate for most as 0.8% ................. I can see many skilled staff leave NR to work for contractors or like me contemplate retiring early and take final salary pension and the 40 plus years of experience with me



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2017, 09:09:18
    ............apparently there is as yet no decision as to whether yesterday will be declared a Void Day  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 07, 2017, 09:12:06
    ............apparently there is as yet no decision as to whether yesterday will be declared a Void Day  ::)
    I would imagine the big cheeses at GWR will be in Mark Hopwood's office right now digesting what's taken place these past few days deciding if passengers have suffered enough to declare a void day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 07, 2017, 09:18:54
    I will eat my seat reservation if they declare it as void!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 07, 2017, 09:20:59

    The motivation for many is about to sink as NR staff are now classed as public sector so 1% pay rise which will equate for most as 0.8% ................. I can see many skilled staff leave NR to work for contractors or like me contemplate retiring early and take final salary pension and the 40 plus years of experience with me

    That 1% cap was one reason why I went. The main one was the thought of another winter getting up at 6.15 am. You could take the pension and presumably also go to work for the contractors.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on July 07, 2017, 09:22:16
    Just as well it isn't a Cross Country seat reservation ... those electronic bits can be very difficult to digest.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2017, 09:25:42
    ............apparently there is as yet no decision as to whether yesterday will be declared a Void Day  ::)
    I would imagine the big cheeses at GWR will be in Mark Hopwood's office right now digesting what's taken place these past few days deciding if passengers have suffered enough to declare a void day.

    .......more likely on the 1st tee! I'm sure the amount of money they will trouser in compensation from NR in respect of the last couple of days will more than outweigh any gesture they may graciously decide to make......they certainly won't be passing it on to their customers in any other ways!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 07, 2017, 09:26:24
    GWR have lifted ticket restrictions into and out of Paddington today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on July 07, 2017, 09:27:10
    I will eat my seat reservation if they declare it as void!

    Just as well it isn't a Cross Country seat reservation ...those electronic bits can be very difficult to digest....especially if someone comes along and turfs you out of your seat, having plucked it off the menu earlier.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: insider on July 07, 2017, 09:33:48
    Just out of interest to those who say GWR response was poor and employees hide etc... From my experience last night that simply isn't true given the circumstances. What do you want to happen when the Railway is broken to such an extent they can NOT run trains through such a key location.

    I was at Paddington just after 16:00 trying to get to Reading. By 16:20 the CIS had been turned off because service was suspended. TO advertise trains as Delayed and then cancel at train time is just annoying and false information. The announcer for Network Rail was making very clear PA that ALL service was suspended. By 1630 they were advising to use SWT from Waterloo, Chiltern from MYB. Local buses from Ealing (Central Line). Also LUL for Heathrow.

    Many people including myself chose to ignore those messages, hoping it would be all ok soon. I headed upstairs to the pub. Is it GWRs fault that we ignore their advice?? Or just our own stubbornness or just that we are use to diverting for 2 hours to find that the line had opened 5 mins after you left.

    From what I observed on the concourse there were plenty of staff at the 2 help desks. The announcements were frequent advising they had no estimate for service and to please use alternative routes. Also that tickets would be valid tomorrow if that was easier option for those who could postpone journeys. I actually stood near a help desk by the ticket office for about 20 mins just to be nosey.

    The staff were well informed and were providing info on the diversions. By now it was around 1800, and they had been told at least another 2 hours before any departures. The diversions were extended to allow Virgin Trains via Birmingham for North Cots and also Bristol etc.

    I had arranged a lift from a friend to Slough and got there about 1915. I didn't have to wait long and a turbo arrived from Reading to go back all stations. I asked the staff there how frequent the service had been. And they said not too bad. Local buses were taking tickets for Langley & Iver. Also on the 81 which runs towards Heathrow and connects for other buses to get to West Drayton & Hayes/Southall. So people were moving. London was being served via Windsor and a walk to SWT services.

    When I got back to Reading, I had a wander around there were PA's, staff were visible. Yes it was busy on plats 456 for SWT services, but it was being controlled safely. From speaking to a friend later in evening. SWT even ran additional services to CLJ and WAT only vice booked ECS. So nice to see other TOCS helping.

    There were services being turned around I see a Bristol and a S Wales service leave. Also Oxford trains seem to be running too.

    Then being sad when I got home I watched what service ran when the lines opened which was around 2030.

    And I was amased how many trains actually ran, given the displacement of crew. All HSS services from 2045 until close ran as booked. LTV services had an odd cancelled service. A couple of Oxfords called into Didcot extra to help ease congestion. But was far better than evening before. Even the 0022 Pad Oxford ran which is my normal train home after drinks in London.

    And on a final note, I'm not saying GWR did good. But I don't feel they did as bad as some make out. Too many peoples default setting on here is just to criticise. From what I witnessed first hand, staff were dealing with a terrible situation as best they could. There were PA's. I could see staff.

    Network Rail should be ashamed....but ultimately they are responsible for the safe operation of trains. And lets all just remember that no one was injured, we were all just late (some more than others) home, but we got home.
    Personally I would rather be late home safe than someone try and risk running a train on an unsafe system of signalling.
    Of course Id rather have a seat on an air conditioned train and be on time.....but to expect that every day is madness ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 07, 2017, 09:45:33
    Just as well it isn't a Cross Country seat reservation ... those electronic bits can be very difficult to digest.....
    Bytes?  :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2017, 09:52:43
    Just out of interest to those who say GWR response was poor and employees hide etc... From my experience last night that simply isn't true given the circumstances. What do you want to happen when the Railway is broken to such an extent they can NOT run trains through such a key location.

    I was at Paddington just after 16:00 trying to get to Reading. By 16:20 the CIS had been turned off because service was suspended. TO advertise trains as Delayed and then cancel at train time is just annoying and false information. The announcer for Network Rail was making very clear PA that ALL service was suspended. By 1630 they were advising to use SWT from Waterloo, Chiltern from MYB. Local buses from Ealing (Central Line). Also LUL for Heathrow.

    Many people including myself chose to ignore those messages, hoping it would be all ok soon. I headed upstairs to the pub. Is it GWRs fault that we ignore their advice?? Or just our own stubbornness or just that we are use to diverting for 2 hours to find that the line had opened 5 mins after you left.

    From what I observed on the concourse there were plenty of staff at the 2 help desks. The announcements were frequent advising they had no estimate for service and to please use alternative routes. Also that tickets would be valid tomorrow if that was easier option for those who could postpone journeys. I actually stood near a help desk by the ticket office for about 20 mins just to be nosey.

    The staff were well informed and were providing info on the diversions. By now it was around 1800, and they had been told at least another 2 hours before any departures. The diversions were extended to allow Virgin Trains via Birmingham for North Cots and also Bristol etc.

    I had arranged a lift from a friend to Slough and got there about 1915. I didn't have to wait long and a turbo arrived from Reading to go back all stations. I asked the staff there how frequent the service had been. And they said not too bad. Local buses were taking tickets for Langley & Iver. Also on the 81 which runs towards Heathrow and connects for other buses to get to West Drayton & Hayes/Southall. So people were moving. London was being served via Windsor and a walk to SWT services.

    When I got back to Reading, I had a wander around there were PA's, staff were visible. Yes it was busy on plats 456 for SWT services, but it was being controlled safely. From speaking to a friend later in evening. SWT even ran additional services to CLJ and WAT only vice booked ECS. So nice to see other TOCS helping.

    There were services being turned around I see a Bristol and a S Wales service leave. Also Oxford trains seem to be running too.

    Then being sad when I got home I watched what service ran when the lines opened which was around 2030.

    And I was amased how many trains actually ran, given the displacement of crew. All HSS services from 2045 until close ran as booked. LTV services had an odd cancelled service. A couple of Oxfords called into Didcot extra to help ease congestion. But was far better than evening before. Even the 0022 Pad Oxford ran which is my normal train home after drinks in London.

    And on a final note, I'm not saying GWR did good. But I don't feel they did as bad as some make out. Too many peoples default setting on here is just to criticise. From what I witnessed first hand, staff were dealing with a terrible situation as best they could. There were PA's. I could see staff.

    Network Rail should be ashamed....but ultimately they are responsible for the safe operation of trains. And lets all just remember that no one was injured, we were all just late (some more than others) home, but we got home.
    Personally I would rather be late home safe than someone try and risk running a train on an unsafe system of signalling.
    Of course Id rather have a seat on an air conditioned train and be on time.....but to expect that every day is madness ;)

    Always good to hear the alternative view!  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 07, 2017, 12:59:21
    There was a good brief issued to staff about the cause of the failure.  In short, it could happen again until NR get to the root cause of the issue


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2017, 14:34:45
    There was a good brief issued to staff about the cause of the failure.  In short, it could happen again until NR get to the root cause of the issue

    Not very reassuring - perhaps that Brief should be shared with customers so that our expectations can be managed as to GWR/NRs future performance?

    If it's the case that it could happen again at any time, no doubt GWR will be increasing the robustness and resilience of their contingency plans for severe disruption? As they pretty much appear to be non existent at the moment, beefing them up shouldn't be too difficult.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 07, 2017, 15:21:09
    Well this was published on the WNXX Forum and appears to be from the GWR MD to its staff:

    Quote
    This week’s infrastructure problems

    As you’ll be aware we’ve had two days of catastrophic infrastructure failure in the Thames Valley, principally around the Hayes - Airport Junction area. This has massively impacted on our evening peaks on Wednesday and Thursday evenings, delaying and frustrating our customers across our network. It has also put huge strain on colleagues in GWR and in Network Rail.

    The failure is a repeat one, based upon information between the points giving detection, i.e. if they are fully pointing in the right direction, and therefore how the signalling can work. This information all must be present for signallers in the Thames Valley Signalling Centre to signal trains.

    For two nights running, as we’ve gone into the evening peak, as the air temperature has gone up and we’ve lost all the track circuits and detection on all the points in that area due to a problem with data transmission. Without that detection, the Signallers can’t signal trains and move them. The Signallers need confirmation that the points are in position. To do that they are ‘clipped’ or clamped and a process called Temporary Block Working (TBW) put in place. TBW effectively gets a reduced number of trains through a section. So when it goes in, we know the timetable plan isn’t going to work.

    Over the last two nights this TBW process has gone badly and been too slow to implement. This has meant huge delays and confusion and ultimately the distressing scenes that we’ve witnessed.

    I’ve been speaking to the Chief Operating Officer for Network Rail Western, Route Gareth Vest, who is committed to improving the situation and offers a full apology. As someone who has worked for a train operator, he knows the impact this has on people and how they react. He has put a huge amount of resource together to get this right.

    Fundamentally NR have an issue around understanding the technical failure and as a result have brought in additional tech support from the manufacturers of the signalling equipment (Siemens and Alstom). I am in regular contact with Gareth and his team to ensure they get to the bottom of the failure and the mitigation for the failure.

    In order to protect ourselves this evening, we have a number of points ‘clipped’ already, whilst the NR team watch data streams from the point work (transmitted to the TVSC that tell them they are working). They have local teams watching and patrolling the area in case of a repeat failure.

    I can’t promise that we won’t have any issues this evening but I can say that at all levels of Great Western and First Group, we are working with Network Rail to ensure they get this right.

    I want to thank all of you on behalf of the Exec Team for your effort and professional conduct throughout a really tough couple of days. I am always amazed by what GWR can do in a crisis, from manning stations, to crew resourcing through to the energy and robustness of our Control and everything in between.

    Note in particular that last paragraph..... :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 07, 2017, 15:41:11
    There was a good brief issued to staff about the cause of the failure.  In short, it could happen again until NR get to the root cause of the issue

    Not very reassuring - perhaps that Brief should be shared with customers so that our expectations can be managed as to GWR/NRs future performance?

    If it's the case that it could happen again at any time, no doubt GWR will be increasing the robustness and resilience of their contingency plans for severe disruption? As they pretty much appear to be non existent at the moment, beefing them up shouldn't be too difficult.

    Any kind of contingency plan will require an operational railway line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 08, 2017, 05:53:49
    .....and to back up what I said earlier in this thread the signalling has just failed again at Hayes (1600 on 06/07/2017) ::) :P

    Paddington at a standstill as well.  Seems nothing being let out to avoid blocking up the whole area for the next few hours.

    You really couldn't make it up could you? Totally unfit for purpose.

    Especially when I hear that GWR are saying its the same fault that caused the stoppage on Wednesday!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 08, 2017, 07:18:12
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 08, 2017, 07:51:29
    Well this was published on the WNXX Forum and appears to be from the GWR MD to its staff:

    Quote
    This week’s infrastructure problems

    As you’ll be aware we’ve had two days of catastrophic infrastructure failure in the Thames Valley, principally around the Hayes - Airport Junction area. This has massively impacted on our evening peaks on Wednesday and Thursday evenings, delaying and frustrating our customers across our network. It has also put huge strain on colleagues in GWR and in Network Rail.

    The failure is a repeat one, based upon information between the points giving detection, i.e. if they are fully pointing in the right direction, and therefore how the signalling can work. This information all must be present for signallers in the Thames Valley Signalling Centre to signal trains.

    For two nights running, as we’ve gone into the evening peak, as the air temperature has gone up and we’ve lost all the track circuits and detection on all the points in that area due to a problem with data transmission. Without that detection, the Signallers can’t signal trains and move them. The Signallers need confirmation that the points are in position. To do that they are ‘clipped’ or clamped and a process called Temporary Block Working (TBW) put in place. TBW effectively gets a reduced number of trains through a section. So when it goes in, we know the timetable plan isn’t going to work.

    Over the last two nights this TBW process has gone badly and been too slow to implement. This has meant huge delays and confusion and ultimately the distressing scenes that we’ve witnessed.

    I’ve been speaking to the Chief Operating Officer for Network Rail Western, Route Gareth Vest, who is committed to improving the situation and offers a full apology. As someone who has worked for a train operator, he knows the impact this has on people and how they react. He has put a huge amount of resource together to get this right.

    Fundamentally NR have an issue around understanding the technical failure and as a result have brought in additional tech support from the manufacturers of the signalling equipment (Siemens and Alstom). I am in regular contact with Gareth and his team to ensure they get to the bottom of the failure and the mitigation for the failure.

    In order to protect ourselves this evening, we have a number of points ‘clipped’ already, whilst the NR team watch data streams from the point work (transmitted to the TVSC that tell them they are working). They have local teams watching and patrolling the area in case of a repeat failure.

    I can’t promise that we won’t have any issues this evening but I can say that at all levels of Great Western and First Group, we are working with Network Rail to ensure they get this right.

    I want to thank all of you on behalf of the Exec Team for your effort and professional conduct throughout a really tough couple of days. I am always amazed by what GWR can do in a crisis, from manning stations, to crew resourcing through to the energy and robustness of our Control and everything in between.

    Note in particular that last paragraph..... :P
    I know this is very technical but why don't they make something like this public instead of the usual we're really sorry this has happened waffle? Explain what's going wrong to your passengers and what's being done to fix it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 08, 2017, 08:18:08
    I know this is very technical but why don't they make something like this public instead of the usual we're really sorry this has happened waffle? Explain what's going wrong to your passengers and what's being done to fix it.

    By now, DafT should have announced an independent inquiry into the whole shoot-bang-works. I assume they are waiting for the problems to be solved before doing that, so it can find that there were problems, but they're in the past.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 08, 2017, 09:01:17
    I know this is very technical but why don't they make something like this public instead of the usual we're really sorry this has happened waffle? Explain what's going wrong to your passengers and what's being done to fix it.

    By now, DafT should have announced an independent inquiry into the whole shoot-bang-works. I assume they are waiting for the problems to be solved before doing that, so it can find that there were problems, but they're in the past.

    The DfT or probably the ORR will be in contact with the Network Rail (NR) Route, its more likely that the Network Rail (NR) team would have contacted the ORR and said "Huston we have a problem" Network Rail (NR) would give their understanding of the issue and what NR are doing about it also that they are working with the TOC's FOC to manage the impact.

    My experience of this type of event is the failure is dealt with at the time, the full understanding of the event and failure and what the long term resolution is to prevent future occurrences is usually a few weeks may be months later as it can take time to analyse all the data perhaps model it and then it a technical solution is needed this may need to be run thought a safety review and then trialled.

    Short answer is I expect they know what it is, what's caused it but the thing that may take time is how fix it so it don't happen again   

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 08, 2017, 09:35:47
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???

    Of course there was a reasonable alternative ! wait until the next day !
    And such is the generous nature of GWR that they even announced that tickets could be used the next day, what more could one ask :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on July 08, 2017, 10:38:39
    With almost perfect timing today one of the advertising flyers that the postman brought me today was from GWR telling me all the wonderful places I can go (or not as the case was earlier this week) on their services.. Consigned to the recycle bin already ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 08, 2017, 12:03:35
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???

    And yes, I am repeating myself, but passengers... sorry customers on the Cotswold Line had no morning peak service to speak of either with the 04:50 Hereford blocking the line at Charlbury for two hours - with no reasonable alternative being provided.

    The GWR website says "if we think our performance falls below an acceptable level during a peak period, we’ll declare the day ‘void’". Are GWR seriously still considering whether Thursday's performance was "acceptable" or not?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 08, 2017, 12:18:02
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???

    The GWR website says "if we think our performance falls below an acceptable level during a peak period, we’ll declare the day ‘void’". Are GWR seriously still considering whether Thursday's performance was "acceptable" or not?

    Patience. Good things comes to those who wait and all that. You never know, there might be some surprises that are currently being finalised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 08, 2017, 14:31:22
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???

    The GWR website says "if we think our performance falls below an acceptable level during a peak period, we’ll declare the day ‘void’". Are GWR seriously still considering whether Thursday's performance was "acceptable" or not?

    Patience. Good things comes to those who wait and all that. You never know, there might be some surprises that are currently being finalised.

    Wow really? Sounds great!.....signals that work? Trains with working aircon and something approaching sufficient capacity that don't break down every 5 minutes and aren't constantly short formed? An industry that doesn't treat its most important stakeholders as inconvenient freight? A railway that doesn't melt down faster than ice cream when  it gets warm? A business that has a contingency plan for its customers when things go wrong?

    Any of those would be a fantastic surprise! Manana Manana?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 08, 2017, 14:48:07
    Network Rail (NR) are out if their depth and have brought in the manufacturers - Siemens and another as no one in Network Rail (NR) understands the data problem. Bring back mechanical signals, bloody IT

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 08, 2017, 15:13:19
    ....apparently no news on a Void day until next week, how long can it take to decide that there was "....serious, extended disruption during a morning or evening peak period and when no reasonable alternative such as rail replacement service has been provided...." ???

    The GWR website says "if we think our performance falls below an acceptable level during a peak period, we’ll declare the day ‘void’". Are GWR seriously still considering whether Thursday's performance was "acceptable" or not?

    Patience. Good things comes to those who wait and all that. You never know, there might be some surprises that are currently being finalised.

    I think there's a certain level of cynicism towards GWR's reluctance to declare void days. I appreciate they can cost money and should be for exceptional events, but having realised the levels of disruption caused by the derailment last July and the exploding pigeon were acceptable, passengers do wonder how bad things have to be before they become unacceptable.

    If there's something being finalised then great, but perhaps a holding statement from GWR might have helped quell some of the current frustrations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 08, 2017, 15:33:25
    NR are out if their depth and have brought in the manufacturers - Siemens and another as no one in NR understands the data problem. Bring back mechanical signals, bloody IT

    If the government keep on slashing the budget of NR and then in turn NR have to keep cutting their costs then this situation will keep on arising.  Pay them a decent wage and keep the experience to keep the network runnin smoothly. Everything is done on the cheap and it will keep coming back to bite them on the rear end. This is what will happen with a fully nationalised railway.   

    TaplowGreen you won't get any of that when the government is involved.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 08, 2017, 15:44:33
    NR are out if their depth and have brought in the manufacturers - Siemens and another as no one in NR understands the data problem. Bring back mechanical signals, bloody IT

    If the government keep on slashing the budget of NR and then in turn NR have to keep cutting their costs then this situation will keep on arising.  Pay them a decent wage and keep the experience to keep the network runnin smoothly. Everything is done on the cheap and it will keep coming back to bite them on the rear end. This is what will happen with a fully nationalised railway.   

    TaplowGreen you won't get any of that when the government is involved.

    Slashing the budget? What happened to the £7.5 billion that was going to be "Building a Greater West"?

    Hopelessly delayed and overspent projects and not even the day to day is maintained properly.........doesn't sound like expertise and experience in action to me - sounds exactly like the public sector in action.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 08, 2017, 15:53:21
    NR are out if their depth and have brought in the manufacturers - Siemens and another as no one in NR understands the data problem. Bring back mechanical signals, bloody IT

    If the government keep on slashing the budget of NR and then in turn NR have to keep cutting their costs then this situation will keep on arising.  Pay them a decent wage and keep the experience to keep the network runnin smoothly. Everything is done on the cheap and it will keep coming back to bite them on the rear end. This is what will happen with a fully nationalised railway.   

    TaplowGreen you won't get any of that when the government is involved.

    Slashing the budget? What happened to the £7.5 billion that was going to be "Building a Greater West"?

    Hopelessly delayed and overspent projects and not even the day to day is maintained properly.........doesn't sound like expertise and experience in action to me - sounds exactly like the public sector in action.



    Just look how much debt Network Rail has. You've got people in the DfT with no experience in operating a railway trying to tell those that have.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 08, 2017, 18:26:19
    wasn't it the EU that demanded that NR become an agency with debt in the Government books. Then one small advantage of Brexit might mean it can go borrowing on its own...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 08, 2017, 19:05:58
    wasn't it the EU that demanded that NR become an agency with debt in the Government books. Then one small advantage of Brexit might mean it can go borrowing on its own...

    I think it was something like that.  My guess, let the debts mount up and then it'll be a prime candidate to privatise.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on July 08, 2017, 23:07:31
    wasn't it the EU that demanded that NR become an agency with debt in the Government books. Then one small advantage of Brexit might mean it can go borrowing on its own...

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ons-decision-on-the-classification-of-network-rail (https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ons-decision-on-the-classification-of-network-rail)
    Quote
    Today (17 December 2013) the Office for National Statistics (ONS) announced that, following a review, Network Rail will be classified as a central government body in the public sector. This is an independent statistical decision taken by the Office for National Statistics in light of the European System of National Accounts 2010 (ESA10) manual from Eurostat which comes into force across the EU from 1 September 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_System_of_Accounts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_System_of_Accounts)
    Quote
    The European System of Accounts (ESA) is the system of national accounts and regional accounts used by members of the European Union. It was most recently updated in 2010 (ESA 2010).

    The ESA 95 is fully consistent with the United Nations System of National Accounts (1993 SNA) in definitions, accounting rules and classifications.[1] However, it incorporates certain differences, particularly in its presentation, that are more in line with use within the European Union.

    Whether or not "the EU demanded", it is debatable how much increase in NR's debt would be sustainable.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 09, 2017, 08:18:35
    wasn't it the EU that demanded that NR become an agency with debt in the Government books. Then one small advantage of Brexit might mean it can go borrowing on its own...

    I think it was something like that.  My guess, let the debts mount up and then it'll be a prime candidate to privatise.

    My understanding was that the EU said that the debt guarantees that the government had given NR meant that it was not a real private sector company. The debt that had been guaranteed by the government therefore had to be counted as part of government debt.

    The government then decided that if NR's debt was a government debt, then it should treat it as a government agency.

    That is a little different to EU demanding a change.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 09, 2017, 09:13:45
    But adherence to the ESA won't be necessary after Brexit, this opens the door to a return to NR not being an agency again ( if so wished)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 09, 2017, 09:57:21
    wasn't it the EU that demanded that NR become an agency with debt in the Government books. Then one small advantage of Brexit might mean it can go borrowing on its own...

    In part it was to do with EU regulations about State funding of companies; in addition the UK Treasury were also uneasy with the fact that the UK tax payer had a large investment in something it could never get back if Network Rail PLC folded as it could not sell the assets easily.  DfT were not keen on moving NR into a State Agency ............ errrrrrrrrrrr because they would become accountable and not be able to hide behind the Network Rail is a company responsible to its "share holders" (NR share holders were not share holders that have invested but people nominated to act in that roll)

    But adherence to the ESA won't be necessary after Brexit, this opens the door to a return to NR not being an agency again ( if so wished)

    NR is a Government owned agency, the UK Government however wanted NR to continue as if it was a commercial company but NR could not raise finance externally like it could before (that's the £50B + national debt)

    Although Brexit will allow the UK Government possibly more flexibility HM Treasury will still have a view on how much the railways contribute to the National debt.    Of course the Government could go for the Big Four or Six railway companies based on sink or swim .................... passengers would not like the fares and motorway users would not like the congestion       


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 09, 2017, 10:49:00
    There was an argument within government for many years about the status of these debts. NSOONS have always been pushing for them to be - honestly - labelled as public sector liabilities, but then they would, wouldn't they, as that kind of classification task is what they do. At least as far back as 2001, when other agreed international accounting standards made this clear, ONS had it on their "to do" list. They were also granted a bit more independence just after that, beefing up the role of the National Statistician.

    In 2006, NSOONS were able to reclassified LCR's debt (for HS1) as public, followed very soon by a huge lump of PFI debt. "Everyone" knew that the same rules said that NR was controlled by the government, so it should also be moved across. However, DfT managed to hold that off by pointing out what a huge jump in the national debt (as accounted) it would be. The change in the EU's statistical norms just made their (and the chancellor's) claims that white really is just a very very light shade of black too hard to keep up.

    What would happen after Brexit isn't clear, any more than whether it will lead to politicians saying (in effect) "vote for me and have dirtier diesels" just because that would no longer be prevented by EU commitments.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 09, 2017, 11:02:41
    Okay, I know what ONS is (Office for National Statistics) as my stepfather worked for them.

    But what are NSO and LCR? PFI is widely known but some readers may not be aware it stands for Private Finance Initiative.

    Please can we have the full name when first using acronyns/abbreviations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 09, 2017, 11:11:46
    Okay, I know what ONS is (Office for National Statistics) as my stepfather worked for them.

    But what are NSO and LCR? PFI is widely known but some readers may not be aware it stands for Private Finance Initiative.

    Please can we have the full name when first using acronyns/abbreviations.

    Guilty yer honour - too much of a hurry. NSO is a typo, maybe suggested by their pre-1996 name of CSO. LCR probably deserves a place in the forum's list, being London snd Continental Railways. Perhaps adding (HS1) is more helpful though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 10, 2017, 07:16:24
    Returning to the topic of LTV gross inadequacy it's a new week, so here's a new problem

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Maidenhead.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 10/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2017, 08:22:11
    Oddly, early trains from Oxford were curtailed/cancelled/started short this morning too, so something else had also taken place causing problems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2017, 08:28:36
    Returning to the topic of LTV gross inadequacy it's a new week, so here's a new problem

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Maidenhead.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 10/07.

    Turned out the 12:00 prediction was overly pessimistic.  The fault (axle counters at Taplow) was cleared just after 7.30am.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2017, 08:31:10
    Oddly, early trains from Oxford were curtailed/cancelled/started short this morning too, so something else had also taken place causing problems.

    A set of points run through at Oxford.  High Speed Train's (HST)s which terminate there will have to terminate at Didcot Parkway.  Turbos will continue to Oxford but will have to do some extra shunting to return.


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 10, 2017, 09:20:35
    Oddly, early trains from Oxford were curtailed/cancelled/started short this morning too, so something else had also taken place causing problems.

    The 7.17 HST from Maidenhead to Paddington, which starts at Oxford, arrived in 5 carriage formation this morning leading to 1st class being declassified. It also managed to lose 10mins between reading and Maidenhead during clear running which is it's regular special trick.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2017, 10:00:06
    Now a security alert @ PAD, meaning cancelled & delayed starts/arrivals


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on July 11, 2017, 11:51:47
    According to a news report on BBC Radio Oxford today there were over 300 signal failures between Reading and Paddington alone in the 12 months up to the end of March this year (info obtained under Freedom of Information). The highest number of different failures on a single day was 5. This is 20% up on the previous year. Unfortunately there is no online story to link to in case my memory of what was said is inaccurate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 11, 2017, 12:12:24
    No written story but it's the lead news item and is also covered at about 1h 6m into the programme:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0572x82#play (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0572x82#play)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 11, 2017, 16:29:07
    According to a news report on BBC Radio Oxford today there were over 300 signal failures between Reading and Paddington alone in the 12 months up to the end of March this year (info obtained under Freedom of Information). The highest number of different failures on a single day was 5. This is 20% up on the previous year.

    I find that absolutey incredible.  In my time in S&T maintenance/faulting that would have led to a significant 'not having a job' risk :-[

    NR do really need to get to grips with this issue and the DfT should be pressurising them to do so.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 11, 2017, 17:17:06
    Perhaps this might be a suitable time to remind network rail that in a few weeks time, daylight hours start to noticeably reduce, heavy rain becomes more likely, wind speeds increase, and deciduous trees shed their leaves.
    This is known as autumn and occurs every year, perhaps with a gentle reminder they might be ready this year !

    However worse is to follow, autumn is assuredly followed by winter, when daylight is very much reduced and temperatures fall significantly. During winter, small white flakes of frozen water fall from the sky, this is known as "snow" and often seems to be unexpected.
    Snow is cold, but if it is blown into warmer spaces and turns back into liquid water and can have deleterious effects on electrical equipment.
    Snow can jam points, or even stop trains. It would be well to prepare for this.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 11, 2017, 18:05:31

    It would be well to prepare for this.


    That's a bit unfair: they are prepared - they have got that same spokesman chap who was interviewed by BBC Oxford, fast-tracked him through another Meeja Tranining session, reminded him not to start every sentence with 'so' and given him a new piece of paper with the following notes:

    1  Apologise profusely and often

    2  Mention that we are bringing the railway into the 21st Century

    3  Er...

    4  That's it...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 11, 2017, 19:05:35

    It would be well to prepare for this.


    That's a bit unfair: they are prepared - they have got that same spokesman chap who was interviewed by BBC Oxford, fast-tracked him through another Meeja Tranining session, reminded him not to start every sentence with 'so' and given him a new piece of paper with the following notes:

    1  Apologise profusely and often

    2  Mention that we are bringing the railway into the 21st Century

    3  Er...

    4  That's it...

    Think you missed a smiley there Patch38.......

    The thing is that that stretch of line is 21st Century and the signalling kit has (mostly) all been renewed in the near recent years.  It had to be to make it 25kv traction immune.

    The failures last week really sum it up for me.  The only time we used to bring in manufacturers was when we had really serious technical problems that we didn't have the skills to solve.  I would also ask why the NR Technical Investigation Centre at Crewe has not been brought in (oh, just remembered, they have made a lot of the skilled and experienced staff there redundant......)?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 11, 2017, 19:19:41

    Think you missed a smiley there Patch38.......


    I thought it was so obvious, I was saving pixels...  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on July 11, 2017, 19:23:55
    Most impressed with the young graduate  engineers in the Crossrail programmes who were given a great deal  of responsibility for huge complex projects....but they always seemed to have a wise, experienced workforce under them to fall back on, and to advise and warn. No matter how brilliant the young high flier, you need that bedrock under them to catch them should they fall. The loss of the skilled and experienced professionals in engineering, (teaching/nursing civil service.. the list goes on ) in their 50s is the cause of much of these problems. Why does the older worker get thrown on the scrapheap just because they are seen to be 'expensive' and expendable. It's crazy.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 11, 2017, 19:30:13
    Sometimes it works the other way. My ex-next-door neighbour was a petro-chemical engineer and was out of work for most of his 40s as his would-be employers brought in the whizz kids with (supposedly) all the qualifications and for less money. Then in his 50s he suddenly found himself back in high demand as they discovered that the juniors knew all the right buzzwords but would cave in when there was real pressure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on July 11, 2017, 20:40:48
    ... The loss of the skilled and experienced professionals in engineering, (teaching/nursing civil service.. the list goes on ) in their 50s is the cause of much of these problems. Why does the older worker get thrown on the scrapheap just because they are seen to be 'expensive' and expendable. It's crazy.

    What goes is the ability to speak truth to power.

    The old (and expensive) crusties like me in the last few years of their career realy don't care about threats to their job prospects when being the harbinger of bad or arkward news.  The keen young graduate is both cheap and acutely aware of their future - as they should be: they have a family and young kids to care for. But get rid of us cantankerous, and bloody annoying old crusts that have seen it all before - whose job it is to keep accountancy-driven management on-track - and it all falls to bits (usually after about five years, while the bean counters are still slapping each other on the backs).

    Ask Shell, who had to write-down several billions $$ of their oil reserves due to generous rubber-stamping.  The old guard had been put out to pasture. Didn't half give their share price a serious drumming.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on July 11, 2017, 20:45:13
    ... The loss of the skilled and experienced professionals in engineering, (teaching/nursing civil service.. the list goes on ) in their 50s is the cause of much of these problems. Why does the older worker get thrown on the scrapheap just because they are seen to be 'expensive' and expendable. It's crazy.

    What goes is the ability to speak truth to power.

    The old (and expensive) crusties like me in their last few years of their career realy don't care about threats to their job prospects when being the harbinger of bad or arkward news.  The keen young graduate is both cheap and acutely aware of their future - as they should be: they have a family and young kids to care for. But get rid of us cantankerous, and bloody annoying old crusts that have seen it all before - whose job it is to keep accountancy-driven management on-track - and it all falls to bits (usually after about five years, while the bean counters are still slapping each other on the backs).

    Ask Shell, who had to write-down several billions $$ of their oil reserves due to generous rubber-stamping.  The old guard had been put out to pasture. Didn't half give their share price a serious drumming.

    Never a truer word spoken my friend  :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 11, 2017, 21:11:24

    What goes is the ability to speak truth to power.

    Quite. A mantra I repeated often during my final decade before retiring, whilst still working hard and achieving more than was required I hasten to add, was "Go on, sack me then. You'd be doing me a favour." Never even came close. I knew when I was talking more sense than the guv'nor.

    Quote
    The old guard had been put out to pasture.

    Or, if they had worked especially hard, stud.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on July 11, 2017, 21:18:54
    Or, if they had worked especially hard, stud.

    In my dreams boy.  In my dreams!  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 11, 2017, 21:19:47
    Or, if they had worked especially hard, stud.

    In my dreams boy.  In my dreams!  :)

    I nearly replied to that!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 12, 2017, 21:11:46
    Well here's a new one!

    Alterations to services at London Paddington
    Due to the fire alarm sounding at a station at London Paddington all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Owing to fire alarms sounding at London Paddington station the area has been evacuated whilst safety checks are undertaken. As a result train services on all routes between London Paddington and Reading are subject to delay and / or alteration.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 12, 2017, 21:29:29
    Didn't this happen the other morning (Monday?) as well?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 12, 2017, 21:38:28
    Smell of electrical burning - 2000 pax had been evacuated before fire brugade arrived


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 12, 2017, 22:34:04
    Reported elsewhere as an electrical fire under Platform No.10.  Hope everybody is safe.  Station still shut at 2230.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 12, 2017, 22:35:45
    Platforms 1 to 6 reopened.   Air conditioner in a CCTV room failed and equipment started to overheat apparently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on July 12, 2017, 22:44:55
    Still an infrastructure failure then! Recent posts don't need splitting.  ;)

    As you were...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 12, 2017, 23:38:11
    Fwiw I diverted to Marylebone from Paddington when I became aware of the problem. I expect a full and robust challenge from GwR about my path home. I.e.  Not my problem.
    What might it take for GWR to come out in front and admit to the giant problems that they have ??


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 13, 2017, 05:52:14
    I have to say communication by GWR was much improved during the incident with proper regular updates posted on Twitter and the website. Perhaps some good came out of last weeks chaos, not that it takes away from the inconvenience and disruption that is caused when things go wrong.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 13, 2017, 06:03:07
    They need to get their act in gear a great deal more before Waterloo's capacity is drastically cut next month - I can't see "go to Waterloo if you need to get to Reading/onwards" being much of an option based on the advice SWT are already giving all of the their regular customers, let alone another influx from Paddington if (when) GWR fall over again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 13, 2017, 07:29:28
    If a train operating company has been performing as badly as Network Rail Western region the DfT would have hauled them in, fined them, issued ultimatums, strip them of the franchise.... and probably done so in public.
    Why do the DfT do this, because it's easy to attack private companies in the form of the train operating companies. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over, a nationalised organisation, so it's easier to sweep it under the carpet and allow rail passengers to carrying on blaming the TOC.
    Network Rail as a result of the actions of our government, Network Rail are no longer able to retain experienced staff and attract new staff.  The railways are in a slow decline which will only pick up momentum. The railways need to be at the forefront of technological, all we are doing to temporarily repairing an old antiquated system. The bits we are renewing are done on the cheap and is being maintained by staff who probably don't fully understand how it works. . 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on July 13, 2017, 07:48:47
    Strong rumours of a void day for last week's chaos have been detected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on July 13, 2017, 07:59:18
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 13, 2017, 08:29:43
    Strong rumours of a void day for last week's chaos have been detected.

    According to GWR's Twitter team, Wednesday and Thursday have been declared void days:

    "Last Wednesday and Thursday are void you can get a refund for those days from Monday 17 July. -Andy"



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 13, 2017, 08:31:16
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o

    That sort of attack is definitely below the belt.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 13, 2017, 09:01:37
    According to GWR's Twitter team, Wednesday and Thursday have been declared void days:

    "Last Wednesday and Thursday are void you can get a refund for those days from Monday 17 July. -Andy"
    A good decision there. Can't replace the time that people lost that evening but at least there is a bit of financial compensation for the inconvenience caused.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 13, 2017, 09:18:33
    And I want to hear if anyone fails to get a compensation response over 8 weeks going forward please - the have put management resource into their contractors workplace recently & the response times are dropping steadily.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 13, 2017, 09:52:16
    Most impressed with the young graduate  engineers in the Crossrail programmes who were given a great deal  of responsibility for huge complex projects....but they always seemed to have a wise, experienced workforce under them to fall back on, and to advise and warn. No matter how brilliant the young high flier, you need that bedrock under them to catch them should they fall. The loss of the skilled and experienced professionals in engineering, (teaching/nursing civil service.. the list goes on ) in their 50s is the cause of much of these problems. Why does the older worker get thrown on the scrapheap just because they are seen to be 'expensive' and expendable. It's crazy.

    I think there's external factors as well. Where I work we lost huge numbers of 50 something workers recently with pension changes before dramatic increase in penalties for taking it early. Even now there's people leaving because they're worried there won't be a pension fund in a couple of years or increasing meddling by the government just adds to the uncertainty. I think there also comes a point when you decide you've had enough of changes (attacks?) on your terms and conditions/benefits, below inflation pay rises and continual change. I've had about half a dozen reorganisations in the last two-three years.

    None of these things are aimed directly at older workers but as someone said earlier they're the ones most likely to say they've had enough and leave or take redundancy.

    Oh and the commute doesn't help...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 13, 2017, 10:13:50
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o

    That sort of attack is definitely below the belt.

    Why is that? 

    DfT starts asking questions to Network Rail about their performance. Network Rail responds by telling the DfT "you control our budget and you sign off our major engineering projects". The ball lands back in the DfTs and they've no where to return it to
    Passengers blame the TOCs, as far as the DfT are concerned them being distanced from any blame works for them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 13, 2017, 10:19:48
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o

    That sort of attack is definitely below the belt.

    Why is that? 

    DfT starts asking questions to Network Rail about their performance. Network Rail responds by telling the DfT "you control our budget and you sign off our major engineering projects". The ball lands back in the DfTs and they've no where to return it to
    Passengers blame the TOCs, as far as the DfT are concerned them being distanced from any blame works for them.

    I am somewhat doubtful about that anaylsis.  NR do have performance (and other) targets set by the government (aka DfT) and they can hold NR to account over them if they really tried.  Unfortunately, personally I don't see much evidence of that at present (i.e. things seem to just carry on as they were before ::) ).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 13, 2017, 10:20:49
    I have to say communication by GWR was much improved during the incident with proper regular updates posted on Twitter and the website. Perhaps some good came out of last weeks chaos, not that it takes away from the inconvenience and disruption that is caused when things go wrong.

    GWR have announced tickets dated yesterday are valid today following the fire alert at Paddington last night.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on July 13, 2017, 12:43:28
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o

    That sort of attack is definitely below the belt.

    Why is that? 

    DfT starts asking questions to Network Rail about their performance. Network Rail responds by telling the DfT "you control our budget and you sign off our major engineering projects". The ball lands back in the DfTs and they've no where to return it to
    Passengers blame the TOCs, as far as the DfT are concerned them being distanced from any blame works for them.


    Or it could be due to the "location" of said attack:

    Quote
    pubically attack
      ;) ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 13, 2017, 12:55:23
    It's a hell of a lot more difficult to pubically attack an organisation that you effectively have direct control over...........

    That statement brought tears to my eyes  :'(  :o

    That sort of attack is definitely below the belt.

    Why is that? 

    DfT starts asking questions to Network Rail about their performance. Network Rail responds by telling the DfT "you control our budget and you sign off our major engineering projects". The ball lands back in the DfTs and they've no where to return it to
    Passengers blame the TOCs, as far as the DfT are concerned them being distanced from any blame works for them.


    Or it could be due to the "location" of said attack:

    Quote
    pubically attack
      ;) ;D

    Oh............... I see!!  ;D ;D

    Pretty much all services out of London Euston are currently cancelled due to a total loss of signalling.  Need I say anything more?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 13, 2017, 14:19:54
    Pretty much all services out of London Euston are currently cancelled due to a total loss of signalling.  Need I say anything more?

    Hah....easily restored back to normal within 45 minutes.  Its not the GWML you know... ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 13, 2017, 16:01:55
    Pretty much all services out of London Euston are currently cancelled due to a total loss of signalling.  Need I say anything more?

    Hah....easily restored back to normal within 45 minutes.  Its not the GWML you know... ;)

    So I hear thanks to the replies to the sarcastic messages from my former colleagues at Euston!  I think I was a bit too hasty in trying to get my own back.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 13, 2017, 17:53:16
    According to GWR's Twitter team, Wednesday and Thursday have been declared void days:

    "Last Wednesday and Thursday are void you can get a refund for those days from Monday 17 July. -Andy"
    A good decision there. Can't replace the time that people lost that evening but at least there is a bit of financial compensation for the inconvenience caused.

    Not much choice really if GWR want to retain the few tattered shreds of credibility they cling on to?........the surprise is that it's taken a week for Hopwood et al to decide that the level of service last Wednesday/Thursday evening was unacceptable.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on July 13, 2017, 19:04:26
    If I were a cynic I'd say that time period would be just about long enough for GWR to get a data analyst to figure out whether it's better to pay out either:

    A) 2 void days or
    B)  the (possible) 5% discount for missing reliability too on season ticket refunds in the next twelve months.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 14, 2017, 07:08:10
    ......another day.....

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 14/07


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 14, 2017, 08:29:57
    ......another day.....

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 14/07

    Disruption now expected until 10:00.

    I'm on holiday for two weeks after today - two weeks without waking up & wondering what GWR and/or National Rail have got in store for me  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 09:35:50
    Delays on Reading bound services now getting on for 60 minutes as congestion between Oxford and Didcot gets worse.  Many trains currently forming an orderly queue.  Services going the other way unaffected by delays, but some may be cancelled as the service is being thinned out a little.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on July 14, 2017, 10:09:29
    Delays on Reading bound services now getting on for 60 minutes as congestion between Oxford and Didcot gets worse.  Many trains currently forming an orderly queue.  Services going the other way unaffected by delays, but some may be cancelled as the service is being thinned out a little.

    Currently 11 trains backed up between Culham and north of Oxford station on the up line at the time of posting!  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 10:17:49
    And delays now building to 90 minutes.  Another almighty mess to add to GWML's July month of hell!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 14, 2017, 10:19:15
    Disruption expected until 11:00 - still appears overly ambitious.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 10:20:46
    Things are starting to clear now as the signalling is now up-and-running again thankfully.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 14, 2017, 10:27:59
    And once again, it shows the value of this thread.

    From a GWR user perspective, it appears the service has deteriorated significantly over the last five-six weeks. Is it just an impression or are there hard facts to prove it? This thread confirms that the service really hasn't been acceptable.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 10:34:09
    I don't think anyone would argue that it's been a terrible summer with a huge number of significant delays.  New signalling has been woefully unreliable, and whilst most of the problems have not been directly down to GWR, their response to the problems has been questionable at best - driver shortages and removal of key operational staff have worsened an already bad situation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 11:31:28
    At least it's not just our railway falling foul of technology problems...

    http://www.citymetric.com/transport/how-did-single-computer-failure-take-out-whole-melbourne-rail-network-3185


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on July 14, 2017, 12:07:46
    I don't think anyone would argue that it's been a terrible summer with a huge number of significant delays.  New signalling has been woefully unreliable, and whilst most of the problems have not been directly down to GWR, their response to the problems has been questionable at best - driver shortages and removal of key operational staff have worsened an already bad situation.

    I went for the 0915 off Pangbourne (0835 from Oxford) for an optician appointment in Reading.  It didn’t show up of course – Pangbourne went for 75 minutes with no trains to Reading.  Is it really that difficult to turn trains round at Didcot to maintain something like a normal service towards Reading – probably not, but as II says (and as I said in another topic) GWR have removed the key staff who could perhaps have fixed this type of thing.

    So lost optician’s appointment and had to rearrange for this afternoon.  And this is after I got caught at Padd on Wednesday evening and had to come back via Marylebone and XC from Oxford.  Third time lucky this afternoon?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 14, 2017, 13:07:05
    I don't think anyone would argue that it's been a terrible summer with a huge number of significant delays.  New signalling has been woefully unreliable, and whilst most of the problems have not been directly down to GWR, their response to the problems has been questionable at best - driver shortages and removal of key operational staff have worsened an already bad situation.

    Driver shortages?  Is this in reference to Sunday's or general. We are significantly overstaffed where I am to the point we don't require rest working to cover our jobs.
    I think where we are short is in control, or that's the impression I've got over the past few meltdowns and that's based on a few things


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 14, 2017, 13:21:24
    Driver shortages?  Is this in reference to Sunday's or general. We are significantly overstaffed where I am to the point we don't require rest working to cover our jobs.
    I think where we are short is in control, or that's the impression I've got over the past few meltdowns and that's based on a few things

    Sunday's in particular, but also Saturday's and more than you might regard as usual weekday services have recently been cancelled on some of the LTV routes with driver shortages the reason cited.  I think establishment at the HSS depots is pretty healthy, but not so elsewhere given the amount of 387 training that's taking place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 14, 2017, 15:13:52
    Driver shortages?  Is this in reference to Sunday's or general. We are significantly overstaffed where I am to the point we don't require rest working to cover our jobs.
    I think where we are short is in control, or that's the impression I've got over the past few meltdowns and that's based on a few things

    Sunday's in particular, but also Saturday's and more than you might regard as usual weekday services have recently been cancelled on some of the LTV routes with driver shortages the reason cited.  I think establishment at the HSS depots is pretty healthy, but not so elsewhere given the amount of 387 training that's taking place.

    I thought at least one of our LTV depots will be significantly overstaffed, can't remember the number exactly, but I'm sure it was in excess of 40 drivers once training was completed. I know a lot have put in too transfer to HSS as we know our future is bleak once CrossRail takes over.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 14, 2017, 18:20:17
    Let's be frank, the last few weeks have seen a rapid deterioration, performance wise as well as a PR and Customer service disaster..........even leaving aside Weds/Thurs last week (still can't believe it took a week to decide they should be Void days but I'm inclined to believe Birdie's theory)...............

    1) Huge amounts of short formations (apparently due to "more trains than usual needing repairs", when asked what the % was compared to the normal rate of trains needing repairs the response was "we don't have that information"),

    2) Cancellations due to "staff shortages" now regularly affecting weekday services.
    3) Tickets offices closed (when asked why, response is "we don't have that specific information")
    4) Non operational TVMs ("thanks for reporting this" - but several days later they are still not working)
    5) The laughable advice to use the FGW.com email address for compensation, complaints and general enquiries, knowing replies will take weeks.
    6) Twitter melting down faster than a chocolate signal when disruption kicks in.
    7) The lack of sufficient staff/useful information available at Paddington and elsewhere during times of severe disruption
    8 A total and utter lack of contingency planning - basically its "go to another station/use another TOC" or you're pretty much on your own mate.
    9) Non operational aircon on the hottest days of the year - probably a cost saving exercise if the truth was to be told.

    .............and all this alongside the now familiar weekend cancellations for all the familiar reasons.

    GWR/NR need to work hard to arrest the image of a Business in decline despite billions of £ of investment............"Building a Greater West" is now seen as a bit of a joke, and the attitude to customer service is frankly appalling.

    Let's hope Hopwood et al have a Master plan for swift improvement..............one more "Manana Manana" type response and I will probably find him and insert a GWR whistle somewhere painful.........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on July 14, 2017, 18:41:46
    I'll give another example of the creeping rottenness that seems to be pervading at the moment; there are only two lifts from the main entrance at Reading (ie platform 7) to the transfer deck. One of these has been out of order for some time leading to long queues or people taking inappropriate items up the escalators. Last week when in the working lift with a member of GWR staff assisting someone in a wheelchair I asked him if he knew when the other was going to be repaired. 'No' he replied (fair enough) but he continued 'we never do anything quickly or on time on the railway'. Maybe he thought he was making lighthearted banter, but it kind of sums up the summer on GWR.

    [If anyone knows if the lift is back in service please, post since it was a few days ago.]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 14, 2017, 19:39:07
    I suspect a lot of the present decline in standards is what might be called "new train syndrome". It seems that they have become fixated by the idea that all will be wonderful when the trains come into use.

    Completely ignoring the fact that new trains wont cure most of the present ills including
    Lack of staff, both train crew and other grades at stations.
    Fixing TVMs in a timely fashion
    Mending broken lifts at Reading and elsewhere promptly
    Inability to provide information beyond "don't travel with us"
    Taking weeks to respond to emails, and so on.

    As is well known I am somewhat critical of the new trains, but I refer here NOT to the design of said trains, but the fact that everyone seems to believe that the new trains will in some magical way sweep away unrelated shortcomings and failures.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 15, 2017, 08:12:38
    Slightly off topic I know but very much in context................68 short formations already listed today due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    This has seemed to be the case for several weeks now, can anyone "in the know" explain it? (GWR Twitter is useless on the subject) - why are so many repairs necessary at the same time? Has there been a "Demolition Derby" at the depot?

    (.......or could the shortages perhaps at least in part be due to a rather premature "cascade"?)  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 15, 2017, 08:31:50
    Slightly off topic I know but very much in context................68 short formations already listed today due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    This has seemed to be the case for several weeks now, can anyone "in the know" explain it? (GWR Twitter is useless on the subject) - why are so many repairs necessary at the same time? Has there been a "Demolition Derby" at the depot?

    (.......or could the shortages perhaps at least in part be due to a rather premature "cascade"?)  ;)

    Not sure the cascade is premature might be the GWEP and traction unit cascade have not lined up as envisaged; I also believe some of the GWR Mk3 for the 5 car HST West Country trains have been sent for refurb (plug-in external doors retention toilets etc)

    At least in the Thames Valley we are getting new trains and not the planned 319 or 365 cast off, a little pain in the short term and then you can look forward the church pew hard seats in the 387 or the generous standing space in the 345's


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 15, 2017, 09:03:07
    Slightly off topic I know but very much in context................68 short formations already listed today due to "more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    This has seemed to be the case for several weeks now, can anyone "in the know" explain it? (GWR Twitter is useless on the subject) - why are so many repairs necessary at the same time? Has there been a "Demolition Derby" at the depot?

    (.......or could the shortages perhaps at least in part be due to a rather premature "cascade"?)  ;)

    Been reduced now as some units have come good. The 68 short forms makes it sound worse than it actually is. Generally speaking, they are short by about 3 to 5 units at the start of service across the company.
    Why?  Don't exactly know but having units that are going through major exams and modifications doesn't help.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 15, 2017, 09:35:54
    I was told at the Community Rail conference in Barnstaple last month that due to the decision to keep some of the rolling stock longer than originally planned, there was a backlog of maintenance to catch up on.  This had originally been cancelled as it was thought the units would be going. 

    It also isn't helped by the fact the West fleet, in particular, is even more tightly diagrammed in the summer to try to cater for seasonal demand.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 15, 2017, 10:26:54
    I was told at the Community Rail conference in Barnstaple last month that due to the decision to keep some of the rolling stock longer than originally planned, there was a backlog of maintenance to catch up on.  This had originally been cancelled as it was thought the units would be going. 

    It also isn't helped by the fact the West fleet, in particular, is even more tightly diagrammed in the summer to try to cater for seasonal demand.

    Agree with that.  To add

    With the Severn Beach service now being run with Turbos cascades from the Thames Valley, we might have expected to see an easing up of short formations and cancellations due to lack of available rolling stock on "The West" fleet, but informally looking at feeds that has not [yet] happened.

    The "spot hire" unit that's borrowed each day from SWT / Salisbury is still being hired - saw it in Bristol on Thursday (so that's not a 2 car we have lost yet), but it's been strongly suggested that the new franchise that takes over from Stagecoach wants it back a.s.a.p.

    Although more of the older fleet *is* being retained the West for longer (in some cases for much longer) I don't believe that means that the whole of the fleet is being retained.  So there are some units going.   And in the Thames Valley, I think some of our members may have noticed HSTs running on Oxford services becoming turbos.   That's the HSTs starting to go to be prepared for new homes.



    Our feed map - and journey check - sometimes make things look far worse that they are. 

    A reduction from (say) 2 carriages to 1 on the Liskeard to Looe service prior to the schools breaking up - on a  wet Wednesday - isn't going to leave anyone standing, but it may flag up as 24 short formations.   

    A cancellation showing up (AGAIN) of the 11:11 Westbury to Southampton in no worry what so ever when there's an addition train also shown at 11:11 from Westbury to Southampton.   Just that the stock type has changed, and the train has to be flagged up to the signallers not to use platform 3 at Salisbury.  This train conveys up to 50 people from Westbury, and the replacement (a 153 - one carriage) is sufficient - typical journeys Plymouth to Southampton.  Where it is a problem is where the uninitiated see a cancellation report and are put off using the replacement

    My heart sinks when I see a line on our map showing issues Swindon to Westbury - but at times the improved flow of information leads only to the perception of an increased problem.  2 or 3 minutes late - good to be informed, but no huge panic. 2 coaches down to one on the extra lunchtime time - no problem; that's not where the two coaches were needed in the first place.

    I may suggest to a fellow moderator to split some of these posts off -  I fear I'm getting off topic in my explanations, but editing / splitting off myself would be like being judge and jury ...



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on July 15, 2017, 14:50:42
    The "spot hire" unit that's borrowed each day from SWT / Salisbury is still being hired - saw it in Bristol on Thursday (so that's not a 2 car we have lost yet), but it's been strongly suggested that the new franchise that takes over from Stagecoach wants it back a.s.a.p.

    However, there were only two possibilities mentioned in the SW franchise ITT.   One was to carry on as is, and the other was to permanently transfer to it GWR by returning it via the ROSCO.   "Getting it back' was not shown as an option, and the 'SW' current fleet tables include it in the total with a footnote that 2 units will not be available to the new franchisee (there's another one permanently with EMT).

    The unit sub-lease to GW has an explicit end date of March 2020.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 15, 2017, 16:16:02
    However, there were only two possibilities mentioned in the SW franchise ITT.   One was to carry on as is, and the other was to permanently transfer to it GWR by returning it via the ROSCO. 

    The unit sub-lease to GW has an explicit end date of March 2020.

    That is an interesting comment.   Whilst adherence to the ITT ("giving what they asked for") is a key feature of winning a franchise, it is open to bidders to propose alternatives, and to negotiate on them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2017, 08:59:37

    I may suggest to a fellow moderator to split some of these posts off -  I fear I'm getting off topic in my explanations, but editing / splitting off myself would be like being judge and jury ...

    You may think you are judex in sua causa, but I couldn't possibly comment...

    In any case, I lack the technical skill. That's me off the hook.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 16, 2017, 09:08:46


    You may think you are judex in sua causa, but I couldn't possibly comment...



    Are they the same as the People's Front of Judea?


    (Edit by FT,N! to correct format)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2017, 10:54:01


    You may think you are judex in sua causa, but I couldn't possibly comment...



    Are they the same as the People's Front of Judea?


    (Edit by FT,N! to correct format)

    No, and I think in any case you are confusing them with the Judean Peoples' Front. Splitters!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: W5tRailfinder on July 19, 2017, 11:46:04
    You may have missed this one!

    I was checking on Open Train Times last night about 11:00pm for any engineering work - there was main lines closed west of Airport Junction - I was looking at the West Ealing to Heathrow map.

    All of a sudden everything came to a grinding halt at Southall - there was yet another signalling failure, and amongst all of this a freight train then looked liked it also failed just east of Southall.

    Although down trains faired better than up trains the late night chaos continued to well past midnight. HSTs and DMUs were eventually routed through Hanwell Bridge Up Loop.

    At one point there were 4 up Hex services between Hayes and Southall, one was still in the Southall area at 00:45, when I gave up watching.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 19, 2017, 11:53:48
    Possibly connected to electrical activity following the large number of lightning storms?

    I was quite surprised how well the signalling throughout GWR's region held up given the number of flashes in the sky!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 24, 2017, 06:44:12
    Welcome to Monday - another pigeon?

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway the local stopping line is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington. Hanwell and West Ealing will not be served. Disruption is expected until 08:30 24/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2017, 07:17:21
    Up relief shut between Hayes and Acton which means the service needs to be thinned out.

     That's on another existing electrified section before anyone gets too excited about reliability of the new electrification equipment.  Though of course if the old sections prove unreliable then that will not be good news as more and more services go over to electric haulage.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on July 24, 2017, 07:33:06
    Welcome to Monday - another pigeon?

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway the local stopping line is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington. Hanwell and West Ealing will not be served. Disruption is expected until 08:30 24/07.

    Consider yourselves lucky......... at least the line from Reading into Waterloo is operating normally....
    Quote from: SWT Journeycheck
    Cancellations to services on all routes
    Following a complete loss of signalling. between London Waterloo and Woking all lines are now open.
    We experienced a complete loss of all signalling in the Earlsfield area around 04.00 this morning, our engineers have been working on the issue and signalling has now returned however we are continuing to monitor the affected area in case of any further signalling failure.
    We are now working to introduce a few trains back into circulation around the network however, we continue to strongly advise you not to travel towards London Waterloo until after 09.00. We are able to operate trains normally on our Reading and Windsor lines at the current time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 24, 2017, 09:17:05
    Up relief shut between Hayes and Acton which means the service needs to be thinned out.

     That's on another existing electrified section before anyone gets too excited about reliability of the new electrification equipment.  Though of course if the old sections prove unreliable then that will not be good news as more and more services go over to electric haulage.

    Disruption now expected until 1030


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 24, 2017, 09:44:05
    Up relief shut between Hayes and Acton which means the service needs to be thinned out.

     That's on another existing electrified section before anyone gets too excited about reliability of the new electrification equipment.  Though of course if the old sections prove unreliable then that will not be good news as more and more services go over to electric haulage.

    Disruption now expected until 1030

    .......and now it's 2030.....what a fantastic performance, with the reduction in services to Oxford all week too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 24, 2017, 09:53:14
    Trouble on SWT between Woking and Surbiton expected until close of service tomorrow night!  :o

    https://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/disruptions/9CCE3C022E4C4F9C83A4C2718D1CE8FB/

    Quote
    A track defect at a set of points on the fast line at Byfleet & New Haw has resulted in the London bound line between Woking and Surbiton being blocked.

    What's Going On:

    Trains may be delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected to continue until the end of service tomorrow, Tuesday 25 July.

    What We're Doing About It:

    Following an earlier signalling problem at London Waterloo services are now returning to normal however delays may occur in the evening peak. The track defect at Byfleet & New Haw is delaying services.

    On Sunday 23 July, our engineering teams were carrying out routine maintenance and found a fault affecting a set of points in the Byfleet & New Haw area which allows trains to cross from one line to another. The fault also affects trains continuing on the same section of track and therefore the line used by trains running non-stop from Woking to Clapham Junction and London Waterloo has been blocked from Woking to Weybridge. Trains normally using this line will be diverted onto the slow line, and this will result in trains taking longer than usual to reach their destination. Some services will cancelled, delayed, or altered.

    We will be working to repair the track defect on Monday night, but the repair will require significant testing. In the event that testing is unsuccessful or that repairs cannot be completed, services on Tuesday 25 July may also be disrupted.

    Continues...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2017, 10:16:53
    Overhead wire damage was caused by vegetation.  Now cut back, but damage is substantial enough to need to be repaired overnight so although it should open soon to diesel trains, electric trains will be only able to use the mains until tomorrow.

    NR will want to forget about July!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 24, 2017, 10:19:17
    Preventative Maintenance doesn't seem to be in NR's vocabulary. Vegetation is known to grow during summer months particularly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 24, 2017, 10:29:14
    NR will want to forget about July!
    So will its customers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 24, 2017, 10:45:38
    Preventative Maintenance doesn't seem to be in NR's vocabulary. Vegetation is known to grow during summer months particularly.

    And we all know that in autumn, small detachable parts of many types of vegetation fall off. These pieces are known as "leaves" Wet and windy weather accelerates the falling off of these leaves.
    Perhaps they might be prepared this year !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2017, 10:51:02
    Vegetation clearance has gotten noticeably worse over the last few years, from my observations at least.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 24, 2017, 11:15:57
    Run a few steam trains with coal that produces "jaffas" Although you need dry weather.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 24, 2017, 11:33:18
    Overhead wire damage was caused by vegetation.

    Triffids ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 24, 2017, 16:00:45
    NR will want to forget about July!
    So will its customers.

    They are the first to be forgotten about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 24, 2017, 18:05:08
    Preventative Maintenance doesn't seem to be in NR's vocabulary. Vegetation is known to grow during summer months particularly.

    Vegetation clearance has gotten noticeably worse over the last few years, from my observations at least.

    Track access is the problem to do some of the de-veg along with NIMBYs who do not want the veg cut back and go to extraordinary lengths the stop NR and their contactors carrying out the work even to the extent of Section 60 (Noise abatement) complaints to local authorities

    But is track access that is the biggest problem


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 24, 2017, 20:00:15
    Been plenty of closures this year....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2017, 06:13:17
    Been plenty of closures this year....

    Perhaps during severe disruptions customers could be issued with chainsaws and pointed in the direction of the nearest overhanging shrubbery?

    Might give them something constructive to do whilst waiting for hours for TMs to finish their tea breaks (yes, we've all heard about it! ;-) ) the signals/points/pigeon damage to be fixed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 25, 2017, 06:44:33
    Been plenty of closures this year....

    Perhaps during severe disruptions customers could be issued with chainsaws and pointed in the direction of the nearest overhanging shrubbery?

    Might give them something constructive to do whilst waiting for hours for TMs to finish their tea breaks (yes, we've all heard about it! ;-) ) the signals/points/pigeon damage to be fixed?

    I do wonder if bushes and trees grow faster and stronger in the UK these days with the trend to a rise in temperature, and whether Network Rail has had to (or should) significantly increase its work on keeping trackside bushes under control

    Via WikiPedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_United_Kingdom) - graph is declared as public domain:

    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/glowarm.jpg)

    I don't recall very much trains brushing bushes in the good old days when I used to travel a good bit by train; these days there are certains places I could be blindfolded yet identify by the sound of the bushes.  Perhaps the short term solution for minor lines would be to use smaller, narrower stock such as ex London Underground or even tube trains, which should sort out the issue for a control period or election cycle.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2017, 07:49:31
    I am heartily Sycamore excuses for poor service  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on July 25, 2017, 08:05:05
    Perhaps the short term solution for minor lines would be to use smaller, narrower stock such as ex London Underground or even tube trains, which should sort out the issue for a control period or election cycle.

    Only if the election cycle is less than a growing season - which might be possible at the moment! 

    How narrow would you make the trains?  Have you seen how fast some trees grow?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on July 25, 2017, 08:35:17
    I am heartily Sycamore excuses for poor service  ;)

    With Mark Carne at the 'elm, who is surprised ? :o

    Yew wood knot bet against other loggers on this thread leafing through their forest of tree related puns. I won't ah- bore-e-all with mine !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 27, 2017, 09:58:05
    http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/gallery/burnham/118671/fire-crews-put-out-train-fire-near-burnham.html (http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/gallery/burnham/118671/fire-crews-put-out-train-fire-near-burnham.html)

    Quote
    Fire crews put out train fire near Burnham
    Will Taylor
    09:23AM, Thursday 27 July 2017

    Rail passengers en route to London suffered an unusual delay after the engine in a driver cab on their train caught fire.

    Firefighters from Slough, Maidenhead and Bracknell attended the blaze at about 11.20pm last night (Wednesday), with the train stopped between Burnham and Taplow.

    Trains going through the area were stopped as fire crews attended the incident.

    The Slough crew initially fought the fire, which was in the rear cab, with fire extinguishers.

    The firefighters were unable to use water until the newly-installed overhead electrical wires were shut down by Network Rail.

    Once they received word they were down, the crew was able put out the blaze.

    All 52 people on board, who were travelling from Bristol to London, were fine and let off at Slough station.

    They had been unable to disembark earlier from the train as it was in the middle of the track.

    The train guard had moved passengers down the train away from the fire, and were seen to by the South Central Ambulance Service's Hazardous Area Response Team.

    The Slough fire crew left the incident by 4am.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on July 27, 2017, 10:12:51

    The firefighters were unable to use water until the newly-installed overhead electrical wires were shut down by Network Rail.


    I hadn't thought of that one as a side-effect of electrification. But then, wouldn't they normally use foam on an engine fire?


    And we won't even go here...

    Quote

    the engine in a driver cab on their train caught fire



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 27, 2017, 11:07:07
    Any member of the emergency services normally will not go on a railway line if the overheads are still live.

    Probably not a good idea to use form as the engine room still contains electrics. The power cars are fitted with Inergen fire extinguishers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 27, 2017, 14:26:08
    I gather the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) was switched off within 5 minutes of the first report of the engine fire to the signaller (which was made as it passed Maidenhead), so that would have been before the fire services arrived on site, though obviously communicating that fact to them would take a little longer.  Only two tracks were available out of the four due to an engineering possession which complicated things a little.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 27, 2017, 20:35:40
    I gather the OHLE was switched off within 5 minutes of the first report of the engine fire to the signaller (which was made as it passed Maidenhead), so that would have been before the fire services arrived on site, though obviously communicating that fact to them would take a little longer.  Only two tracks were available out of the four due to an engineering possession which complicated things a little.

    If there was no risk to life or the fire spreading from the confines of the engine compartment / cab etc then the Fire Brigade may have waited until the RIO was on site (RIO Rail Incident Officer) likely to have been a MOM (Mobile Operations Manager). 

    I expect a Bronze or even a Silver Command would have been established between the various control centres (NR, Fire, BTP, Ambulance and TOC)  This a well document process, which the various organisations hold regular liaison meetings


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 28, 2017, 08:15:59
    A fault with the signalling system at London Paddington has been resolved and services are returning to normal. Delays of up to 20 minutes to journeys to and from the station is expected to continue until 10:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: wabbit on July 29, 2017, 16:41:34
    Re Slough Fire, it was a little emotional heading back on the 23:18 from Pad to Reading...... stopped for an hour outside Pad, then a little longer at Hayes and Harlington, before pulling into Reading around 03:20hrs.

    Whilst we were having a slow, information free adventure up the main line (thanks to a knackered Tannoy system on the little donkey train), those remaining at Pad had to wait until the station staff agreed to organise taxis at around 03:00 hrs in the morning.

    Not one of the network's finer moments for incident management........!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 31, 2017, 16:23:41
    Just to keep this threads record up to date: The signalling on the Up Main between Taplow and Slough failed yesterday evening (Sunday 30/07/2017) and caused some disruption for two or three hours.  Hopefully TAPLOWGREEN was tucked up in bed by then..... ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 31, 2017, 20:37:31
    Just to keep this threads record up to date: The signalling on the Up Main between Taplow and Slough failed yesterday evening (Sunday 30/07/2017) and caused some disruption for two or three hours.  Hopefully TAPLOWGREEN was tucked up in bed by then..... ;)

    Sadly no - I was doing Missionary work in Cornwall  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 31, 2017, 22:08:29
    Got caught in this failure on the Valley Legend (Pad to Ebbw Vale and Tower Colliery.

    Should have been around 15 early but crawled signal to signal from Birkenhead.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 01, 2017, 08:40:32
    Got caught in this failure on the Valley Legend (Pad to Ebbw Vale and Tower Colliery.

    Should have been around 15 early but crawled signal to signal from Birkenhead.
    Crikey, bet that was a lot of signals to pass at danger. Did you mean Burnham...... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 01, 2017, 10:09:53
    well off course then, even for a railtour!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 02, 2017, 11:55:49
    Spell checker!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 03, 2017, 06:50:41
    Good morning....................?

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 03/08.

    Customer Advice
    Owing to enginneering work not finishing on time, this is affecting the relief lines between Slough and Southall which are currently blocked, we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present. There will be a reduction in the frequency of train services (in both directions) between London Paddington and Reading / Oxford. Any other train service cancellations or alterations will be advised on an individual basis.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2017, 06:56:01
    Seems to be Readings & Maidenheads that are being cancelled currently


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 03, 2017, 07:01:38
    Seems to be Readings & Maidenheads that are being cancelled currently

    .......and plenty of them!  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 10, 2017, 15:51:39
    No idea how it'll pan out but...

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 17:00 10/08.

    Last Updated:10/08/2017 15:48


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 10, 2017, 17:02:48
    Disruption now till 2000


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 10, 2017, 17:26:46
    Disruption now till 2000

    Make that 23:59!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 20, 2017, 19:40:22
    For ease of reference the discussion following the derailment of High Speed Train (HST) power car 43188 at Paddington today has been moved to a topic of its own and merged with a duplicate thread.

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18609.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18609.0)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on August 20, 2017, 19:49:13
    You didn't just do CfNs job did you?  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 20, 2017, 21:08:48
    I'm not the only person on the admin team who can do a bit of 'moving and merging' - and, even for a man of his girth, bobm can be a very good full-back, if the opportunity or need arises.  ;) :D ;D



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 20, 2017, 21:17:50
    bobm can be a very good full-back, if the opportunity or need arises.  ;) :D ;D

    *If* your description of me is correct I'd be a good goalkeeper.  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on September 05, 2017, 06:08:08
    Is it too early to suggest that, with nothing on this thread for two weeks, that the infrastructure has finally settled down and started working as designed?

    Or is everyone so inured to the system failing that it's no longer post-worthy?

    Or have I just jinxed it by posting this?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 05, 2017, 07:56:46
    Is it too early to suggest that, with nothing on this thread for two weeks, that the infrastructure has finally settled down and started working as designed?

    Or is everyone so inured to the system failing that it's no longer post-worthy?

    Or have I just jinxed it by posting this?

    Over the area that the Coffee Shop covers as a whole, I tend to notice posting volume fluctuating is sync with there being issues which are newsworthy - and those newsworthy items are typically NOT  "there were plenty of seats on the 19:30 and it ran on time".   

    April to June ... our post numbers were in the 1150 to 1350 range.   July to now - 1750 to 2150 range. (extrapolating from the first few days of this month, we're still in that range).   We have "new" problems ... lack of train crew, lack of available trains ... but those problems are now further west than the Thames Valley.

    And rather than problems with old stuff, perhaps the Thames Valley is moving into the "teething issues" phase which may be more appropriate on other threads.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on September 05, 2017, 09:09:55
    Is it too early to suggest that, with nothing on this thread for two weeks, that the infrastructure has finally settled down and started working as designed?

    Or is everyone so inured to the system failing that it's no longer post-worthy?

    Or have I just jinxed it by posting this?

    The infrastructure may have inproved, but I would love to know what the heck is going on with the trains. The 0738 from Goring has been 2 carriages this week, and its absolute hell. Its standing room only leaving Tilehurst, then it has Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead. If I recall, it used to then do non-stop to Paddington, but its now also doing Burnham, Slough and Southall I think the driver said. Its insane. A couple of weeks ago it went from 5 cars to 6, and now its 2?!

    About the only good thing is the driver telling all those with full bikes to get off, or refusing to let them on - polietly pointing out they have never been allowed on this service as it arrives into Paddington before 9am. Nice to see that finally being enforced - and to be fair to the cyclists, all the ones I have seen have complied without any issues.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 05, 2017, 10:27:16
    From the Reading to Paddington perspective there have been infrastructural niggles over recent weeks but generally after I've already passed through.
    Yesterday there were minor signalling delays and a broken down train around 9:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 05, 2017, 18:29:00
    It doesn't really seem worth posting the same issues each time. My morning is nearly always 5-10 mins late, generally over crowded and occasionally just doesn't turn up. Or the lack of information on GWR's website as that's been consistent over the years

    Standing on the platform with the regular commuters its just become the accepted level of service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 05, 2017, 23:59:50
    Much better performance recently though, don't think anyone could contest that, and reflected in performance figures over the last few weeks.  Hopefully it will continue, though I'm sure there will be disruption again soon as it is such an intensively used section of track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2017, 06:28:20
    Much better performance recently though, don't think anyone could contest that, and reflected in performance figures over the last few weeks.  Hopefully it will continue, though I'm sure there will be disruption again soon as it is such an intensively used section of track.

    "Much better" - relatively to an extent in that "only" 1 in 5 trains are late?  I'm not sure too many Businesses would be celebrating that stat.

    To show an improvement on June/July when there were several total meltdowns between Reading and Paddington is hardly a significant achievement, and your final comment emphasises that it's more down to luck/timing than anything else.

    I get that the area is intensively used, but if memory serves we were all told that the extensive signalling work which in itself created massive disruption was supposed to address the problems and issues that this created along with replacing the older systems?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 06, 2017, 08:59:58
    Level crossing barriers between Newbury and Reading causing disruption this morning.
    eg, 1A72 lost 15 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 06, 2017, 09:14:33
    Much better performance recently though, don't think anyone could contest that, and reflected in performance figures over the last few weeks.  Hopefully it will continue, though I'm sure there will be disruption again soon as it is such an intensively used section of track.

    "Much better" - relatively to an extent in that "only" 1 in 5 trains are late?  I'm not sure too many Businesses would be celebrating that stat.

    To show an improvement on June/July when there were several total meltdowns between Reading and Paddington is hardly a significant achievement, and your final comment emphasises that it's more down to luck/timing than anything else.

    I get that the area is intensively used, but if memory serves we were all told that the extensive signalling work which in itself created massive disruption was supposed to address the problems and issues that this created along with replacing the older systems?

    I guess I'm just pleased that, for customers as well as staff, the number of delays recently (by which I mean the last month or so) due to infrastructure problems in the Thames Valley has reduced.  I don't know how much of a role luck is playing in that, but I hope it continues.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on September 06, 2017, 09:47:52
    This Didcot Herald (http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/hsdidcotnews/15511953.Commuter_route_to_London_among__worst_value__train_services_in_the_country/) story claims that for four weeks in August 60.2 per cent of trains were delayed or cancelled between Didcot and Paddington. Unfortunately it is just a reference to a piece in the Sunday Times so no clue on the method to come up with that figure (and the article if online would be paywalled).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 06, 2017, 10:19:29
    This Didcot Herald (http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/hsdidcotnews/15511953.Commuter_route_to_London_among__worst_value__train_services_in_the_country/) story claims that for four weeks in August 60.2 per cent of trains were delayed or cancelled between Didcot and Paddington. Unfortunately it is just a reference to a piece in the Sunday Times so no clue on the method to come up with that figure (and the article if online would be paywalled).

    The ST piece didn't say much more: "Punctuality was measured for the four weeks ending August 24". It was also not clear if only down trains were used; the text ony referred to London or Paddington to Didcot (Parkway).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2017, 18:07:17
    This Didcot Herald (http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/hsdidcotnews/15511953.Commuter_route_to_London_among__worst_value__train_services_in_the_country/) story claims that for four weeks in August 60.2 per cent of trains were delayed or cancelled between Didcot and Paddington. Unfortunately it is just a reference to a piece in the Sunday Times so no clue on the method to come up with that figure (and the article if online would be paywalled).

    The ST piece didn't say much more: "Punctuality was measured for the four weeks ending August 24". It was also not clear if only down trains were used; he text ony referred to London or Paddington to Didcot (Parkway).


    If memory serves the Sunday Times piece measured punctuality at each station stop, rather than just arrival time at the final destination.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 06, 2017, 18:40:58
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2017, 19:30:33
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.

    The best way for the railways to avoid "easy headlines" will be to raise performance to acceptable levels in all areas........what other industries/sectors do you anticipate being put to shame in the way you suggest and by what criteria?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 06, 2017, 20:22:36
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.

    The best way for the railways to avoid "easy headlines" will be to raise performance to acceptable levels in all areas........what other industries/sectors do you anticipate being put to shame in the way you suggest and by what criteria?

    Don't mind have the railway performance published however it should be a level playing field for all transport modes therefore all highway operators should publish their performance figures and be ready to refund the users for delays ................ or course that idea will never catch on


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 06, 2017, 20:26:18
    If memory serves the Sunday Times piece measured punctuality at each station stop, rather than just arrival time at the final destination.

    Where was that - was there a fuller version of the article? What was in Sunday's paper had only the footnote I quoted, and this in the text: "The exercise used four weeks' punctuality data, ending on Thursday, August 24, for 360 journeys into and out of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, and Glasgow."

    Note, nothing about what "late" means, which trains were used (a huge choice there), or how (if) they were averaged. I took those 28 days-worth of data out of recenttraintimes.co.uk, and did a grand overall punctuality score for both ways with no margin of lateness. That gives 50%, so I guess you could get 40% by taking a more limited rage of times, particularly busier times (such as might represent commuters).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 06, 2017, 20:46:07
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.

    The best way for the railways to avoid "easy headlines" will be to raise performance to acceptable levels in all areas........what other industries/sectors do you anticipate being put to shame in the way you suggest and by what criteria?

    Don't mind have the railway performance published however it should be a level playing field for all transport modes therefore all highway operators should publish their performance figures and be ready to refund the users for delays ................ or course that idea will never catch on

    How would that work on the roads then? Is there an advertised time of arrival when you go for a drive? What fare would be being refunded? What criteria would be used for a payment?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 06, 2017, 20:54:36
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.

    The best way for the railways to avoid "easy headlines" will be to raise performance to acceptable levels in all areas........what other industries/sectors do you anticipate being put to shame in the way you suggest and by what criteria?

    Buses, coaches, the London Underground, trams, foreign railways (that are all much better than ours of course)...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 07, 2017, 06:01:51
    Which is what will now be happening for all TOCs as per a recent announcement.  Might give the press some easy headlines but I'm all for transparency and this level of data will put many other industries to shame.

    The best way for the railways to avoid "easy headlines" will be to raise performance to acceptable levels in all areas........what other industries/sectors do you anticipate being put to shame in the way you suggest and by what criteria?

    Buses, coaches, the London Underground, trams, foreign railways (that are all much better than ours of course)...

    TfL publish extensive London Underground performance information (interestingly they include customer satisfaction), even benchmarking themselves against other metro systems across the World - it goes down to the level of station opening times and escalator availability - they also publish extensive performance information on buses and trams, and are subject to Mayoral and other scrutiny panels and committees - all easily accessible via their website.........that should keep you going for a while - something for the railways to aspire to?

    Less bothered about foreign railways since my taxes don't subsidise them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 07, 2017, 09:36:26
    If memory serves the Sunday Times piece measured punctuality at each station stop, rather than just arrival time at the final destination.

    Where was that - was there a fuller version of the article? What was in Sunday's paper had only the footnote I quoted, and this in the text: "The exercise used four weeks' punctuality data, ending on Thursday, August 24, for 360 journeys into and out of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, and Glasgow."

    Note, nothing about what "late" means, which trains were used (a huge choice there), or how (if) they were averaged. I took those 28 days-worth of data out of recenttraintimes.co.uk, and did a grand overall punctuality score for both ways with no margin of lateness. That gives 50%, so I guess you could get 40% by taking a more limited rage of times, particularly busier times (such as might represent commuters).

    From memory as the online article is behind a paywall late was more than minute rather than the current rather more generous timings. It also looked at all trains rather than just the narrow window used for reporting currently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 07, 2017, 11:32:33
    TfL publish extensive London Underground performance information (interestingly they include customer satisfaction), even benchmarking themselves against other metro systems across the World - it goes down to the level of station opening times and escalator availability - they also publish extensive performance information on buses and trams, and are subject to Mayoral and other scrutiny panels and committees - all easily accessible via their website.........that should keep you going for a while - something for the railways to aspire to?

    Less bothered about foreign railways since my taxes don't subsidise them.

    I am very pleased TfL are now publishing data in such detail - certainly much more in-depth than when I was last trying to find it, which admittedly was several years ago.  That sort of level of data is already provided by the railways through the ORR website, though the metrics vary a little as things like escalator availablility carry much less importance.

    You're a better man than me if you can find any such levels of data on National Express coaches or on the vast majority of bus routes outside of London.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2017, 08:17:19
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Tilehurst


    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Slough and Tilehurst all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 10/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 10, 2017, 08:23:34
    Plus the 0757 PAD-Great Malvern owigto staff shortages


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 10, 2017, 08:27:08
    Plus the 0757 PAD-Great Malvern owigto staff shortages

    07:57 to Penzance
    08:27 to Swansea
    08:30 to Cheltenham

    also all cancelled.

    As well as the engineering work over running, there is also a track circuit failure which is hampering getting sets off Old Oak Common depot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 10, 2017, 08:28:15
    0757 reinstated to start at DID


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2017, 08:39:41
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Marlow


    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Maidenhead and Marlow all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 09:30 10/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2017, 09:14:17
    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames


    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:00 10/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 10, 2017, 09:14:58
    0757 reinstated to start at DID

    Service formed from the set of the 07:45 from Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington which was cancelled at Didcot Parkway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on September 11, 2017, 15:07:23
    Various issues this morning.. MAI to PAD - 7.13 - 3 coaches instead of 5, 7.17 stopper cancelled.. 7.17 fast service appears to now be 5 cars (used to be an HST), 7.23 cancelled 7.32 4 coaches instead of 8 (left looking VERY cosy), 7.45 cancelled.... On the plus side the 7.42 WAS 8 carriages and actually ran  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 11, 2017, 16:02:26
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are now open.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. All stations between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 17:30 11/09.
    Customer Advice:
    Selected GWR Paddington to Reading stopping services will call hourly additionally at Hanwell.
    Selected GWR Reading to Paddington stopping services will call hourly additionally at Hanwell.
    London Buses are accepting GWR tickets in the Hanwell area on Routes E8 and 427.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 11, 2017, 16:07:54
    All lines are open


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on September 11, 2017, 17:36:46
    I thought it had been a bit quite.  Perhaps the signalling system has had its summer break and is now back..... ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 11, 2017, 19:42:17
    Perhaps the signalling system has had its summer break...

    Summer breakdown, do you mean?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 11, 2017, 22:50:08
    Perhaps the signalling system has had its summer break...

    Summer breakdown, do you mean?

    No a summer break from breaking down


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 12, 2017, 06:28:32
    Marvellous start to the day......


    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 12/09.
    Customer Advice
    Owing to a signaling problem affecting one line on the approach to London Paddington, we are unable to operate the full timetabled service to and from London Paddington at present. There will be a reduction in the frequency of train services (in both directions) between London Paddington and Reading / Oxford


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 12, 2017, 08:42:00
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Now updated to 11:00 and:

    Heathrow Connect services are currently suspended, GWR electrostars are providing a substitute hourly service at Hanwell in both directions.
    Transport for London and London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 12, 2017, 10:12:35
    Now back to 15:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 12, 2017, 10:57:33
    Slow clap for Thames Valley services once again.

    I'm curious. When Great Western Railway (GWR) say seek alternatives by 'any reasonable route' would that include travelling out of the Thames valley to, say Reading, so that I can catch an High Speed Train (HST) direct to paddington?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 12, 2017, 13:35:54
    yes, it did.

    I sampled the Thames Valley this morning. Rather than try & connect into a fast service that usually stops along the TV (most were being cancelled, although I did just miss the DID High Speed Train (HST)), I was really surprised by the availability of seats on the stopper I stayed on. Churn took place every few stops to a large degree making seats available right through the journey - indeed, a lot of empty seats east of Ealing really surprised me,

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 13, 2017, 08:31:06
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Maidenhead and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 13/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 13, 2017, 09:19:43
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Maidenhead and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 13/09.

    Now reads:
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Maidenhead and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 13/09.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to plastic sheeting being caught on the overhead electric wires on the slow line towards Slough, GWR electric services are diverted onto the fast lines and are therefore unable to call at Taplow and Burnham.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 13, 2017, 12:41:35
    Suspect last nights winds may have had something to do with this. 60mph+ gusts recorded at Heathrow which isn't far away.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 13, 2017, 22:32:37
    Suspect last nights winds may have had something to do with this. 60mph+ gusts recorded at Heathrow which isn't far away.

    Think how it could have been when carrier bags were free. It's not just turtles and whales benefiting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 18, 2017, 07:26:42
    Messy at Maidenhead this morning. The 7.02 (6 carriage turbo) was formed of 3 coaches and the 7.08 (High Speed Train (HST)) was formed of 2 carriages. The 7.16 (High Speed Train (HST) until a week ago) now appears to be a regular turbo.

    So that's 22 carriages-worth of passengers squeezed into 11. Not good maths.

    After a week off I'd almost forgotten how much I despise Great Western Railway (GWR) travel.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 18, 2017, 07:50:56
    High Speed Train (HST) train managers appear to be in (very) short supply this morning. More training?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 18, 2017, 08:51:58
    HST train managers appear to be in (very) short supply this morning. More training?

    Possibly.  From this morning:

    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/trainingtrip.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 21, 2017, 07:59:31
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Taplow and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 21/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2017, 08:05:54
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Taplow and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 21/09.

    .......those trains that are lucky enough to have a driver!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 21, 2017, 08:08:11
    Trains were being 'talked past' a red signal that couldn't be cleared outside Maidenhead station.  It's only having a limited impact as suggested and I think normal working has now just resumed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 21, 2017, 08:36:50
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Taplow and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 21/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 21, 2017, 09:55:23
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Taplow and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 21/09.

    .......those trains that are lucky enough to have a driver!

    Strangely, according to the same Journeycheck, every one did!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on September 21, 2017, 11:21:34
    Interesting platform 4 at Maidenhead seems OOU.

    Just seen 2N28  10:27 Padd - Oxf routed via platform 4.

    2P42 09:35 Banbury Padd held outside Maidenhead to allow 5N35 10:35 Padd MDNHECS EMU ECS into stabling sidings, despite the fact that there was nothing behind 5N35 as far back as Langley so 2P42 could have had a clear run into the platform.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 21, 2017, 23:22:32
    To quote the film director Michael Curtiz (per David Niven in his autobiography "Bring on the empty horses!"):

    Quote
    You people, you think I know f*** nothing; I tell you: I know f*** all!"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2017, 16:10:03
    And while someone's sorting that out, maybe they could find the long one on Thames Valley service delays/problems as it has disappeared from the TV board altogether.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 27, 2017, 16:20:36
    Thanks for the heads-up, ChrisB - yes, I'll look into that one, too.  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2017, 16:41:55
    been missing since at least yesterday....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 27, 2017, 16:45:10
    Probably sent elsewhere before the replacement is ready  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 27, 2017, 17:16:51
    And while someone's sorting that out, maybe they could find the long one on Thames Valley service delays/problems as it has disappeared from the TV board altogether.

    been missing since at least yesterday....

    Upon investigation, it appears to me that the 146 pages, containing some 2175 posts, in the 'Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing delays - ongoing, since October 2014 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14689.0)' topic is still there, on 'the wider picture' board.  It is there because it has (and has always had) wider implications than just the Thames Valley.

    Hope this helps!  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2017, 21:12:55
    Can we then amend the subject line? Or cut out the non-TV posts and put it back in the TV board? Seems odd to have TV in a Across the West board


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 27, 2017, 21:29:03
    Chris,

    1. That topic has always been on the 'across the west' board, simply because most of the infrastructure problems originating in the Thames Valley have had, and will have, knock-on effects reaching as far as Pembroke or Penzance;

    2. If you could kindly show me how to determine just which of those 2,175 posts in that existing topic are specific to the Thames Valley only, I will consider how best to split that topic.

    Alternatively, I'll simply amend the topic heading to remove reference to 'Thames Valley'.

    Chris.  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2017, 21:47:30
    Oh ok.....might be good to tidy the subject line then & remove TV?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 27, 2017, 21:55:57
    That's fine with me, Chris - I'll do that, together with a bit of collateral tidying up of our recent posts here.

    Thanks for your input, as always.

    CfN.  :)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 27, 2017, 23:55:12
    Can we then amend the subject line? Or cut out the non-TV posts and put it back in the TV board? Seems odd to have TV in a Across the West board

    It's TV infrastructure, but the trains that are disrupted run to and from places all across the west. So it's not really illogical.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 28, 2017, 13:47:40
    Fair point!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 28, 2017, 13:49:12
    I have now revised the heading of this topic, to emphasize that such infrastructure problems cause disruption elsewhere in the region.  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on September 28, 2017, 13:52:10
    I have now revised the heading of this topic, to emphasize that such infrastructure problems cause disruption elsewhere in the region.  :)

    Good work CfN. I hope you will be adjusting the title soon to reflect the fact that there is an October 2nd next week as well :)

    I'll get my coat :)

    In fact I'm going to apologise because the subject was truncated on the device I was reading it on!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 28, 2017, 17:18:51
    And to get things rolling again (err, or not..)

    Due to a points failure at London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/09.
    Customer Advice: Due to a points failure outside London Paddington station some services may be altered this evening.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Swindon.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 28/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 28, 2017, 18:42:27
    I have now revised the heading of this topic, to emphasize that such infrastructure problems cause disruption elsewhere in the region.  :)

    Hmmmm, only problem now is it suggests that disruption is elsewhere as a result, but not in the Thames Valley!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 28, 2017, 19:08:33
    "Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption across the network/region"? (delete as applicable)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 28, 2017, 19:36:04
    I have now revised the heading of this topic, to emphasize that such infrastructure problems cause disruption elsewhere in the region.  :)

    Hmmmm, only problem now is it suggests that problems are elsewhere as a result, but not in the Thames Valley!

    No easy answer - our moderator and admin team struggle with the best place for some threads.    The subject line is "Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley  ...." and I personally read that to mean that we're talking about infrastructure problems, and they're in the Thames Valley  ;D  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 28, 2017, 19:55:03
    As a moderator, I agree with grahame. As a member of the forum, I pay tribute to his hard work, which keeps things reasonably sensible.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 11, 2017, 16:41:59
    I've just been looking at the OTT map for PAD and the boxes along P11 contain the words 'BUST ROOF SHUT'!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 12, 2017, 07:23:41
    Trashy service for maidenhead this morning.
    7.02 -cancelled
    7.08 -1hr delay
    7.13 -3 carriages
    7.16 -crush loaded and leaving passengers on the platform.

    Slow clap for gwr once again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 12, 2017, 17:20:54
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines will be blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 12/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 12, 2017, 18:24:14
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines will be blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 12/10.

    Now pushed out to 1900


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on October 12, 2017, 19:45:30
    It was put down to signalling issues at Paddington... That's not quite the same thing I don't think  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2017, 07:13:29
    Delays to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 17/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 17, 2017, 08:34:15
    A very poor peak time service into Paddington for the second day running due to this,  compounded by problems further west resulting in a very patchy service through Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 17, 2017, 09:38:17
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:30 17/10.
    Customer Advice: London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 17, 2017, 11:48:20
    London bound stoppers are running non-stop from Hayes & Harlington to Paddington

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:30 17/10.
    Customer Advice
    Trains towards London Paddington will be unable to call at Southall, Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline. Customers from these stations should travel via Hayes and Harlington.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Last Updated:17/10/2017 10:52


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 17, 2017, 13:29:49
    Now pushed out until 17:00 17/10

    Edit: now 19:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 25, 2017, 11:20:12
    Delays on the Thames Valley early morning. "No idea why" according to our driver's announcement but about 30 mins late into Paddington from Twyford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 25, 2017, 11:42:40
    Trespassers, I got.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2017, 13:11:20
    Cancellations to services between Acton Main Line and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Acton Main Line and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:00 29/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 29, 2017, 21:46:58
    Cancellations to services between Acton Main Line and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Acton Main Line and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:00 29/10.
    Nice day for that to happen when there was a special event on in Southall (religious procession) which meant road closures and bought people in from other areas. Indeed the station happens to be right in the middle of the route.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 30, 2017, 08:52:04
    Not advertised on Journeycheck, but there appear to be overhead wire problems on the Heathrow branch. Several Heathrow Connect services are cancelled and I've seen a few Heathrow Express services on the relief lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on October 30, 2017, 09:10:23
    Not advertised on Journeycheck, but there appear to be overhead wire problems on the Heathrow branch. Several Heathrow Connect services are cancelled and I've seen a few Heathrow Express services on the relief lines.

    It is (rather curtly) adverstised, by Heatrow Connect themselves of course:
    Quote
    Service updates
    No services

    There are no Heathrow Connect services in either direction due to overhead line outage.

    Alternative routes include Heathrow Express Services, GWR Services to Hayes & Harlington then the 140 bus to Heathrow Airport. Piccadilly Line services also run between Heathrow and Central London.

    Last Updated 07:39 30 October 2017


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on October 31, 2017, 06:58:05
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:45 31/10.
    Customer Advice
    Heathrow Connect services are unable to operate. Heathrow Connect customers with valid tickets may use London Buses between Hayes & Harlington and London Heathrow


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on October 31, 2017, 09:53:30
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:45 31/10.
    Customer Advice
    Heathrow Connect services are unable to operate. Heathrow Connect customers with valid tickets may use London Buses between Hayes & Harlington and London Heathrow

    Cancellations and delays now expected until end of service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on October 31, 2017, 19:33:28
    Quote
    Disruption is likely to affect the service on Wednesday 1st November as well. Please check for updates. (updated at 19:30)

    And in to tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 31, 2017, 21:12:16
    Any idea what and where the actual issue is? Really confusing because:

    1. Heathrow Connect services are cancelled, which suggests there is an issue by the Heathrow branch, but that wouldn't be "between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington"
    2. Some GWR services from west of Hayes & Harlington are crossing onto the Mains and either stopping or passing there.
    3. The GWR Hayes & Harlington services appear to be running as normal, apart from the delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 31, 2017, 22:35:15
    Looking at the OPEN TRAIN TIMES map http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/d3_1 the problem seems to be on the UP RELIEF at Ladbroke Grove ahead of 114 signal, which trains are being cautioned past at danger.  Not sure if its a points or signal problem, but if its still going to be causing problems on Wednesday 01 November then it looks like a serious points problem to me (a run through perhaps?).

    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 31, 2017, 23:24:14
    Looking at the OPEN TRAIN TIMES map http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/d3_1 the problem seems to be on the UP RELIEF at Ladbroke Grove ahead of 114 signal, which trains are being cautioned past at danger.  Not sure if its a points or signal problem, but if its still going to be causing problems on Wednesday 01 November then it looks like a serious points problem to me (a run through perhaps?).

    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.
    That is very well spotted actually! I do seem to remember my train stopping in that area for a few minutes (2S23 1119 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22367/2017/10/31/advanced)), and several others I've checked also lose 3-4 minutes between the locations shown as Old Oak Common East and Ladbroke Grove. Thanks for the info! :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on November 01, 2017, 08:04:10

     With my ' cynical head on', as this disruption seems to be the normal.

     Perhaps it would easier to announce when services are not disrupted.
     I empathise with anyone relying on these services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 01, 2017, 08:39:06
    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.

    The only one offered is the 140 bus! Not exactly suitable, methinks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 01, 2017, 08:49:50
    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.

    The only one offered is the 140 bus! Not exactly suitable, methinks.

    Is Heathrow Connect a commercial venture, or a franchised service where performance penalties are incurred? 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on November 01, 2017, 10:02:19
    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.

    The only one offered is the 140 bus! Not exactly suitable, methinks.

    Why is it not suitable? It's possibly the quickest alternative connection possible from Paddington to Heathrow


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 01, 2017, 10:16:57
    With luggage?....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 01, 2017, 10:31:14
    I think the HEATHROW CONNECT services are the easiest to 'THIN OUT' as there are alternative solutions for getting to/from Heathrow.

    The only one offered is the 140 bus! Not exactly suitable, methinks.

    Why is it not suitable? It's possibly the quickest alternative connection possible from Paddington to Heathrow

    Yes, I've done that several times when coming up from the Far Southwest, changing at Reading for a local to Hayes, thus avoiding Paddington in the peak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chrisr_75 on November 01, 2017, 10:33:17
    With luggage?....

    Yeah, why not? I've bussed to Heathrow on many occasions with luggage. 12 mins on a 140 after 15 mins on a train is preferable to more than an hour by tube...imo that is!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 01, 2017, 11:43:39
    Trains appear to be running on clear signals again (Wednesday 01 November) but all HEATHROW CONNECT services still cancelled.  Perhaps it was too late to reinstate them.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 01, 2017, 12:18:56
    With luggage?....

    Yeah, why not? I've bussed to Heathrow on many occasions with luggage. 12 mins on a 140 after 15 mins on a train is preferable to more than an hour by tube...imo that is!

    Been there, done that, no problem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 07, 2017, 10:58:26
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:00 07/11.

    Additional Information
    Due to signalling problems at Ealing Broadway, Great Western Railway are currently operating a reduced service between London Paddington and Reading. This is affecting local services. Heathrow Connects are currently suspended.

    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Last Updated:07/11/2017 10:47


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 11, 2017, 07:52:52
    Intriguing

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to an operational incident between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 11, 2017, 08:11:48
    Intriguing

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to an operational incident between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Indeed - I'm quoting myself from another thread as really this is the board for discussing this.

    Quote
    06:17 Heathrow Terminal 5 to Acton Main Line due 06:44
    06:17 Heathrow Terminal 5 to Acton Main Line due 06:44 will be terminated at Ealing Broadway.
    It will no longer call at Acton Main Line.
    This is due to an operational incident.

    What IS the operational incident.   I wasn't even aware that passenger trains could terminate at Acton Main Line in the first place!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 11, 2017, 08:45:41
    It's something to do with engineering works in the Acton area.

    "T3 Possession Item 8 planning issues - Acton ML"

    That's all I can find, which doesn't really say much to the layman, so 'operational incident' it is.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 11, 2017, 10:11:17
    It's something to do with engineering works in the Acton area.

    "T3 Possession Item 8 planning issues - Acton ML"

    That's all I can find, which doesn't really say much to the layman, so 'operational incident' it is.

    "Planning issues" does sound like they had an operating plan for during a possession, but they found out when they tried it that it wasn't possible. So maybe Graham's reaction ("I wasn't even aware that passenger trains could terminate at Acton Main Line in the first place!") showed a better understanding of the network than NR's and the TOCs'.

    The possessions in the EAS for today (there's loads more overnight) apply to lines 4-6 and the Reliefs, and all platforms at PAD. No doubt the work on the lines is to do with the rejigging for Crossrail IndustryInsider referred to recently. Closing all platforms at PAD makes no sense at all if lines 1-3 are open; I guess the plan was always to release some for operational use closer to the date.

    It was only Heathrow Connect (plus the odd Greenford) that were meant to use Acton Main Line as a terminus - their web site now says they are using Ealing Broadway but as an engineering alteration not a disruption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 11, 2017, 10:36:46
    This type of message sometimes means that a train has incorrectly moved into or out of the possession limits or those have been placed in the incorrect position relative to the actual possession limits.  Looks from OTT maps (http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/d3_1) that trains were scheduled to terminate from the West at Acton Main Line, move forward empty to the Old Oak Common Carriage Line, reverse and then travel back to Acton Main Line to start the service West again.  Possible a set of points was damaged during the incident.

    As I type this trains are currently being reversed at Ealing Broadway instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 11, 2017, 10:45:51
    Heathrow Connect (HC) are now saying that next weekend they will also be using Ealing Broadway as a terminus, while RTT still has them using Acton Mail Line. So it does look like a revision of the operational plan. It may be a bit cosy at Ealing, since the Greenfords are also reversing there all day - West Ealing P5 is not being used, for some reason.

    Mind you, the following two weekends there will be no HC trains at all. Usual alternative of 140 bus from Hayes offered instead.

    PS: the amendment and removal of Heathrow Connect HC trains after tomorrow is on Saturdays only, not the Sundays of those weekends. Which is a little odd, as half the possessions are still here on the Sundays.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 11, 2017, 10:54:56
    HC are now saying that next weekend they will also be using Ealing Broadway as a terminus, while RTT still has them using Acton Mail Line. So it does look like a revision of the operational plan. It may be a bit cosy at Ealing, since the Greenfords are also reversing there all day - West Ealing P5 is not being used, for some reason.

    Mind you, the following two weekends there will be no HC trains at all. Usual alternative of 140 bus from Hayes offered instead.

    Ok then.  Possible that the worksite required fell outside the planned possession limits and that the work cannot be cancelled as its required to be completed before the xmas blockades.  But looking at the OTT map again the possession limit markers *08* are still in the locations I would have expected for trains to terminate at Acton Main Line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on November 12, 2017, 22:45:46
    HC are now saying that next weekend they will also be using Ealing Broadway as a terminus, while RTT still has them using Acton Mail Line. So it does look like a revision of the operational plan. It may be a bit cosy at Ealing, since the Greenfords are also reversing there all day - West Ealing P5 is not being used, for some reason.

    Mind you, the following two weekends there will be no Heathrow Connect (HC) trains at all. Usual alternative of 140 bus from Hayes offered instead.

    PS: the amendment and removal of Heathrow Connect (HC) trains after tomorrow is on Saturdays only, not the Sundays of those weekends. Which is a little odd, as half the possessions are still here on the Sundays.

    Ever since it started the Heathrow Connect (HC) has always been the poor relation - services cancelled as often as run. So what about the hapless tourist going to LHR with Heathrow Connect (HC) advance tickets? Do they have to purchase HEX tickets too? And if they end up at Hayes, does the 140 always accept HC tickets? The common factor is that whenever there are disruptions to HC &/or HEX services Heathrow staff are never ever visible at Paddington. And Heathrow HEX / Heathrow Connect (HC) Customer Services NEVER ever reply to emails.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Louis94 on November 13, 2017, 16:22:30
    HC are now saying that next weekend they will also be using Ealing Broadway as a terminus, while RTT still has them using Acton Mail Line. So it does look like a revision of the operational plan. It may be a bit cosy at Ealing, since the Greenfords are also reversing there all day - West Ealing P5 is not being used, for some reason.


    Note that RTT does not show a time in the GBTT arrival/departure column, this means that technically those stops are operational and therefore are not advertised on Journey Planners.

    If you look on journey planners for services from Ealing Broadway to Acton Main Line the only train to appear is the first Heathrow Connect service from Heathrow (which has a GBTT arrival time). For the other direction it is also just one service, the return working of the service previously mentioned! The same applied for the weekend just gone, not quite sure whether this was intentional or not.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 15, 2017, 08:55:46
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington all lines are now open.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 15/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 15, 2017, 09:40:45
    This seems very appropriate then.......
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-41970331/signal-failure-the-train-traveller-s-nightmare-explained

    Blame it all on vandalism...... ::) :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2017, 06:03:14
    Delays to services at London Paddington


    Due to an obstruction on the track at London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 06:45 27/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 27, 2017, 10:00:36
    Anyone know if this was on the track or actually affecting the wires?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2017, 10:53:20
    On the track.  A wooden sleeper was hit by a HEx service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 27, 2017, 11:24:59
    Vandalism?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on November 27, 2017, 12:31:03
    A wooden sleeper was hit by a HEx service.

    That might explain the HEx in platform 8 this morning at 07:15 as well as the associated fitter.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2017, 14:13:32
    Paddington Lines 1 and 2 were closed for engineering work over the weekend.  Something incorrectly left over..... ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2017, 16:43:51
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington


    Due to a broken down train between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 03/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 03, 2017, 17:36:15
    Mains are closed due to engineering work so only Reliefs available but apparently a freight train has failed and is blocking the UR. According to RTT and OTT, 1A83 0947 Penzance to Paddington has now been stuck at West Drayton for over 2 hours. RDG-WAT is unavailable due to planned engineering works so presumably people are being routed via Guildford or Basingstoke?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 03, 2017, 17:46:22
    Great Western Railway customers may use:
    London Underground on any reasonable route
    South Western Railway on any reasonable route
    London Buses on any reasonable routes
    Chiltern Railways between Oxford / Banbury and London Marylebone
    CrossCountry between Basingstoke and Oxford / Banbury

    Tickets for today will also be valid tomorrow (4/12).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Godfrey Tables on December 03, 2017, 17:46:40
    I'm on 1A87. Was held at Newbury race course now unscheduled stop at Theale until further notice. All platforms at Reading more or less blocked. There doesn't seem to be much movement anywhere at the moment...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 03, 2017, 17:47:16
    Reports of "2000 passengers" at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 03, 2017, 17:55:15
    I'm on 1A87. Was held at Newbury race course now unscheduled stop at Theale until further notice. All platforms at Reading more or less blocked. There doesn't seem to be much movement anywhere at the moment...

    Apparently 1A24 (Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington service) is behind you, being held at Newbury Racecourse.  It is already 30 mins late and has no catering today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2017, 17:57:02
    Disruption now being forecast until at least 2000.....that sounds optimistic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Godfrey Tables on December 03, 2017, 17:58:43
    1A87 on the move now. Let's see where we end up...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Godfrey Tables on December 03, 2017, 18:24:24
    1A87 terminated at RDG. Advised to get train to Waterloo from platforms 4, 5, 6
    Yet none running due to Engineering work


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 03, 2017, 18:37:44
    Disruption now being forecast until at least 2000.....that sounds optimistic.
    Now 2100.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 18:40:12
    Nothing in or out Paddington since 4pm.

    Paddington must be heaving.

    Had some friends booked on the 17.57 Penzance train. Sent them to Waterloo to get the 18.15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2017, 18:45:12
    1A87 terminated at RDG. Advised to get train to Waterloo from platforms 4, 5, 6
    Yet none running due to Engineering work

    Could you get to Waterloo via Basingstoke?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 18:45:24
    1A87 terminated at RDG. Advised to get train to Waterloo from platforms 4, 5, 6
    Yet none running due to Engineering work
    Correct. No direct trains. Bus to Staines from Reading


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 18:47:43
    1A87 terminated at RDG. Advised to get train to Waterloo from platforms 4, 5, 6
    Yet none running due to Engineering work

    Could you get to Waterloo via Basingstoke?
    Yes, but the volumes of people would easily be overwhelming the local and Cross Country trains between Reading and Basingstoke which would already be busy this time of day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 18:48:34
    My daughter is due out of PAD on the 1853 heading to EXD. I've suggested she gets Bakerloo to Waterloo, and 1915 SWT service to EXD. Any other ideas?

    And yes, Paddington is heaving.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 18:52:49
    My daughter is due out of PAD on the 1853 heading to EXD. I've suggested she gets Bakerloo to Waterloo, and 1915 SWT service to EXD. Any other ideas?
    Good move.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Godfrey Tables on December 03, 2017, 18:55:38
    Limited service now from RDG to PAD. I'm now on 6 car turbo. Sorry for brevity of messages, bit crushed and thanks all for replies. 2 6 car turbos should be arriving at Paddington over the next half hour or so..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 18:57:15
    Possibly a better one - she has just been told to get on a train for Penzance which should have gone an hour ago. It will not be calling at Reading or Castle Cary. Rerouted? Or just using the only open line and limiting the passengers?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 18:59:05
    18.42 Turbo to Worcester just left Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 03, 2017, 19:00:40
    Had some friends booked on the 17.57 Penzance train. Sent them to Waterloo to get the 18.15

    17:57 just left 61 minutes late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 03, 2017, 19:02:30
    Possibly a better one - she has just been told to get on a train for Penzance which should have gone an hour ago. It will not be calling at Reading or Castle Cary. Rerouted? Or just using the only open line and limiting the passengers?
    No normal route. Line via Swindon closed due to engineering work. Won’t stop at Reading because of overload of train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 03, 2017, 19:15:15
    I'm sure everyone will feel better for knowing that SNCF can do these things so much - er - better?

    Paris Montparnasse has been closed since 01:30, aside from a very limited service using Paris Austerlitz. Service will restart tomorrow morning, or at least SNCF say it will. This is not due to old hardware that was damaged during an update, but the software equivalent - a major upgrade that has gone wrong. Oops. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 19:49:39
    Had some friends booked on the 17.57 Penzance train. Sent them to Waterloo to get the 18.15

    17:57 just left 61 minutes late.

    With my daughter and son-in-law upgraded to First class, gratis.

    No normal route. Line via Swindon closed due to engineering work. Won’t stop at Reading because of overload of train.

    It did stop at Reading. The TM announced that it would, as soon as they had left Paddington, but that they didn't say so at Paddington for fear of not getting longer-distance PAX on board.

    It all now seems to be getting closer to organised. The train my daughter should have been on left Paddington 46 late. She's mildly irritated because it means she won't get a full refund, even though she will be back at EXD under 10 minutes later than she should have been, and is in first. Talk about coming out of the bucket smelling of roses.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2017, 20:08:37
    Apparently the problem was caused by a broken down NR track maintenance train.....oh the irony!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 03, 2017, 20:17:42
    I'm sure everyone will feel better for knowing that French National Railways (SNCF) can do these things so much - er - better?

    Paris Montparnasse has been closed since 01:30, aside from a very limited service using Paris Austerlitz. Service will restart tomorrow morning, or at least SNCF say it will. This is not due to old hardware that was damaged during an update, but the software equivalent - a major upgrade that has gone wrong. Oops. 

    https://www.lci.fr/societe/en-direct-bug-informatique-a-montparnasse-la-sncf-annonce-un-retour-a-la-normale-lundi-matin-2072326.html (https://www.lci.fr/societe/en-direct-bug-informatique-a-montparnasse-la-sncf-annonce-un-retour-a-la-normale-lundi-matin-2072326.html)

    According to this news article, Patrick Jeantet, the president of French National Railways (SNCF) Reseau (the infrastructure owner), has been summoned to the office of Elisabeth Borne, the French Transport Minister, tomorrow morning at 0900 to explain what happened. So has Mark Carne has been called urgently to Chris Grayling's office? No, thought not...

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 03, 2017, 20:20:18
    She's mildly irritated because it means she won't get a full refund, even though she will be back at EXD under 10 minutes later than she should have been, and is in first.

    Elle veut le beurre et l'argent du beurre, donc ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 20:33:58
    She's mildly irritated because it means she won't get a full refund, even though she will be back at EXD under 10 minutes later than she should have been, and is in first.

    Elle veut le beurre et l'argent du beurre, donc ?

    Ha! Je me suis presque pissé en riant!

    Oui, c'est vrai! Mais comment savais-tu qu'elle parle français, comme vous et son père?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 03, 2017, 20:39:38
    I'm sure everyone will feel better for knowing that SNCF can do these things so much - er - better?

    Paris Montparnasse has been closed since 01:30, aside from a very limited service using Paris Austerlitz. Service will restart tomorrow morning, or at least SNCF say it will. This is not due to old hardware that was damaged during an update, but the software equivalent - a major upgrade that has gone wrong. Oops. 

    https://www.lci.fr/societe/en-direct-bug-informatique-a-montparnasse-la-sncf-annonce-un-retour-a-la-normale-lundi-matin-2072326.html (https://www.lci.fr/societe/en-direct-bug-informatique-a-montparnasse-la-sncf-annonce-un-retour-a-la-normale-lundi-matin-2072326.html)

    According to this news article, Patrick Jeantet, the president of SNCF Reseau (the infrastructure owner), has been summoned to the office of Elisabeth Borne, the French Transport Minister, tomorrow morning at 0900 to explain what happened. So has Mark Carne has been called urgently to Chris Grayling's office? No, thought not...

    I expect he has been on the phone .................. trains disrupted to and from the PM' s constituency is bad karma   ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on December 03, 2017, 20:44:44
    Paddington line incident being discussed on an alternative forum:
    https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/major-disruption-at-paddington-3rd-dec-2017.157681/ (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/major-disruption-at-paddington-3rd-dec-2017.157681/)

    The debate includes some comments reflecting a sense of inevitability that it's going to take three hours to remove a failed train, and others that refer to the modern-ish practice of a risk assessment.

    What do readers think? Has the railway lost ability to recover from problems compared with 20th century rail? Can anything be done?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 21:10:56
    I expect he has been on the phone .................. trains disrupted to and from the PM' s constituency is bad karma   ;D

    "It was Network Rail, Prime Minister, not me and GWR. And as you are no doubt aware, you can't believe everything you see on a computer..."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2017, 21:17:16
    Paddington line incident being discussed on an alternative forum:
    https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/major-disruption-at-paddington-3rd-dec-2017.157681/ (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/major-disruption-at-paddington-3rd-dec-2017.157681/)

    The debate includes some comments reflecting a sense of inevitability that it's going to take three hours to remove a failed train, and others that refer to the modern-ish practice of a risk assessment.

    What do readers think? Has the railway lost ability to recover from problems compared with 20th century rail? Can anything be done?



    GWR contingency plan = Cross fingers & hope for the best........if the worst happens, run away & hide.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 03, 2017, 22:16:14
    GWR contingency plan = Cross fingers & hope for the best........if the worst happens, run away & hide.

    I know that you think that GWR is the embodiment of everything that is incompetent, but If I am not mistaken they do not operate frieght trains, nor do they run the infrastructure - so what are they supposed to do about it?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 03, 2017, 22:27:02
    Agreed - in a situation like this, GWR know little more than the throng in the station concourse. It looks as if as soon as there was space to run a train, they started with the longest distance journeys, which is sensible. How you can manage that sort of situation, with trains stranded where they shouldn't be and drivers running out of hours beats me, and I take my hat off to the back room staff who do it.

    It was, according to another forum, probably a NR maintenance train that will be spending tonight in the naughty siding. The irony!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 03, 2017, 22:59:17
    At one point the plan was to split the train and take it in different directions to nearby loops.

    In the end the whole train was moved at walking pace to Hayes loop.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2017, 10:29:07
    Alterations to services between Oxford and Reading


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 10/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 10, 2017, 10:57:30
    Alterations to services between Oxford and Reading


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 10/12.
    Some seriously running late services into London right now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 10, 2017, 11:00:52
    Quite heavy snowfall affecting Didcot northwards, gets worse the further north towards Birmingham you go.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 10, 2017, 11:10:24
    Also now: Alterations to services between Reading and Swindon

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Swindon some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:15 10/12.

    Snow in Didcot is about 3-4cm at present but there have been periods when it has been a bit sleety.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2017, 11:29:24
    Signal at Didcot went down just after 1000, and has been causing problems since then. Thats before much (any?) snow fell there, & I suspect isn't weather related.

    Getting NR staff there might be, from wherever they might be, of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 10, 2017, 11:51:12
    Signal at Didcot went down just after 1000, and has been causing problems since then. Thats before much (any?) snow fell there, & I suspect isn't weather related.

    Getting NR staff there might be, from wherever they might be, of course.

    It was snowing in Didcot from before 6am. This may of course prove to have nothing to do with the root cause of the signalling problems though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 10, 2017, 12:19:25
    Alterations to services between Oxford and Reading


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 10/12.
    Some seriously running late services into London right now.

    The 09:00 from Bristol Temple Meads was held at Swindon for over an hour alongside a service from Swansea.

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swisnow.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 10, 2017, 16:36:04
    Great pic Bob. Not great if you were on either of those trains of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 10, 2017, 17:21:13
    Thanks. They were probably warmer than me!   ;D

    Once the service did resume platform 4 wasn't in use for down trains with all services being crossed to platform 3 and up trains using number 1.

    Not sure if there was a points problem or having got them set it was thought safer to leave them lying the same way.  Another possibility could be that the snow was still lying thickly on the uncovered parts of platform 4 and staff were concentrating their efforts on the island platform.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2017, 06:36:01
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 14:00 12/12.
    Customer Advice
    Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Bourne End and Marlow in both directions until further notice.

    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:00 12/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on December 12, 2017, 09:41:18
    Don't know if it was the same problem but services into Paddington were being delayed as well. 30 mins late in from Twyford this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 12, 2017, 10:22:26
    All those pesky signals on the Marlow branch again  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 12, 2017, 12:31:30
    Network Rail have declined the token system unreliable on the Marlow branch.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 12, 2017, 13:38:58
    Network Rail have declined the token system unreliable on the Marlow branch.
    So a system designed over 100 years ago and worked succesfully since then all over the world, is suddenly no good....

    I give up with NR.... ::) >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 12, 2017, 14:18:20
    Is it the intermediate token instrument at Bourne End that is causing the grief?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 12, 2017, 17:13:59
    Network Rail have declined the token system unreliable on the Marlow branch.

    Thought it was a "staff" on the Bourne End - Marlow and a "Token" on the Maidenhead - Bourne End .........................

    Either way Pilot(wo)man operating in place


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 12, 2017, 17:26:07
    Network Rail have declined the token system unreliable on the Marlow branch.

    Thought it was a "staff" on the Bourne End - Marlow and a "Token" on the Maidenhead - Bourne End .........................

    Either way Pilot(wo)man operating in place
    Correct.  Its the same on the Looe branch with token Liskeard to Coombe Junction and Train Staff Coombe Junction to Looe.  I have never known that installation to fail......(and I was responsible for its maintenance for 6 years).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 12, 2017, 17:44:23
    Network Rail have declined the token system unreliable on the Marlow branch.

    Thought it was a "staff" on the Bourne End - Marlow and a "Token" on the Maidenhead - Bourne End .........................

    Either way Pilot(wo)man operating in place
    Correct.  Its the same on the Looe branch with token Liskeard to Coombe Junction and Train Staff Coombe Junction to Looe.  I have never known that installation to fail......(and I was responsible for its maintenance for 6 years).

    I think maintaining it might have caused the problem ................. the level crossings had road closures over the weekend so I would not mind betting something when TU during maintenance ........... the old BR ODM moto if ain't broke maintain it ............ then you can repair it  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 12, 2017, 17:56:18
    Correct.  Its the same on the Looe branch with token Liskeard to Coombe Junction and Train Staff Coombe Junction to Looe.  I have never known that installation to fail......(and I was responsible for its maintenance for 6 years).

    That's why it didn't fail!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 12, 2017, 19:50:58
    All those pesky signals on the Marlow branch again  ::)

    ...mmm.  There is one at Bourne End at the end of the Marlow platform and the other STOP boards are classified as signals.  There are also FIXED DISTANT boards on both branches ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 12, 2017, 19:55:41
    Correct.  Its the same on the Looe branch with token Liskeard to Coombe Junction and Train Staff Coombe Junction to Looe.  I have never known that installation to fail......(and I was responsible for its maintenance for 6 years).

    That's why it didn't fail!  ;D

    Your too kind.  All it needs is a bit of dedication and pride, something sadly lacking in modern NR :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 13, 2017, 08:46:46
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked.

    This is still ongoing according to the website:
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Bourne End and Marlow in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 13, 2017, 08:53:30
    All those pesky signals on the Marlow branch again  ::)

    ...mmm.  There is one at Bourne End at the end of the Marlow platform and the other STOP boards are classified as signals.  There are also FIXED DISTANT boards on both branches ;D

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/bend.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 13, 2017, 09:22:19
    Thanks BobM for posting the photograph of Bourne End.  I should point out (pun intended) that the colourlight is a POINT INDICATOR and not 'actually' a signal.... lts the STOP sign thats the signal....:P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 13, 2017, 10:34:28
    My apologies, I hadn't realised a signal had been installed at Bourne End... I don't get out as much as I used to (or as much as bobm  :) )

    So the Stop sign is the signal, and it's the signal that has failed, hmmmm  :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 13, 2017, 11:08:37
    Can't win on here - there are some on here who say I don't get out enough!

    For the record the photo was taken in June 2015 but I have no reason to suppose anything has changed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 13, 2017, 14:52:08
    ...I much preferred Bourne End when it looked like this (Autumn 1969) ;) ;D

    (http://cbrailways.co.uk/PhotoAlbumsPro/1379866239/Bourne%20End%20Station%2005_1.jpg?cache=0.5924137028116303)
    Image (c)2017 SandTEngineer


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on December 13, 2017, 20:45:27
    My apologies, I hadn't realised a signal had been installed at Bourne End... I don't get out as much as I used to (or as much as bobm  :) )

    So the Stop sign is the signal, and it's the signal that has failed, hmmmm  :P

    Probably worth pointing out that when it gets advertised that signalling problems are causing issues, it's not always the case that it will be a physical signal, but could be a component of it.

    I haven't seen it said yet, but in this case, it's the token machine at Maidenhead that's unwilling to give a token to drivers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 13, 2017, 21:06:26
    I haven't seen it said yet, but in this case, it's the token machine at Maidenhead that's unwilling to give a token to drivers.

    That's a bit selfish  ;D

    All it needs is a bit of dedication and pride, something sadly lacking in modern NR :P


    The stuffing has been knocked out of the front line staff (and a lot of the backroom as well) always concerned they will get "investigated" is they step outside "the rules" so no one is willing to take any risks


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 13, 2017, 22:02:57

    All it needs is a bit of dedication and pride, something sadly lacking in modern NR :P


    The stuffing has been knocked out of the front line staff (and a lot of the backroom as well) always concerned they will get "investigated" is they step outside "the rules" so no one is willing to take any risks

    That doesn't supprise me at all ET.  I'm pleased I got out when I did.  Talking to a few of my old collegues over the past few months, they can't wait to be able to do the same.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Interceptor on December 13, 2017, 22:11:04
    I can only second that. I went to a leaving do a couple of weeks ago. The moral and enthusiasm of the people I had previously worked with since 2007 onwards was no longer there. Lack of management, lack of planning, lack of foresight were common themes talking to my former colleagues. I felt rather down considering what a successful team I had been part of 3 years ago.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 13, 2017, 22:25:15
    How sad to have read the content of the last three posts. Just backs up what’s been going on and doesn’t give much optimism for the future.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2017, 21:56:50
    ......could the timing be any worse, just as the Xmas parties start winding down.....

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:00 15/12.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 15, 2017, 22:04:34
    The Up sleeper is an High Speed Train (HST) tonight too

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 16, 2017, 19:24:51
    An apology for last night’s signalling issue:
    https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

    Quote
    Signalling failure, Friday 15th December

    At 8.50 pm, a power failure caused the signals at Paddington to default to their "fail safe" of red, meaning that no trains were able to leave the station until the problem was resolved safely by Network Rail engineers, approximately one hour later. Network Rail and Great Western acknowledge that our customers were severely inconvenienced by this occurrence, happening as it did at a time when people like to go out and enjoy themselves with friends, or just get home after a long day at work. Although we did all we could to get you where you needed to be, we do realise that it was not a good end to the working week, and for this we are sorry. Those affected may be entitled to compensation...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2017, 22:36:13
    An apology for last night’s signalling issue:
    https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

    Quote
    Signalling failure, Friday 15th December

    At 8.50 pm, a power failure caused the signals at Paddington to default to their "fail safe" of red, meaning that no trains were able to leave the station until the problem was resolved safely by Network Rail engineers, approximately one hour later. Network Rail and Great Western acknowledge that our customers were severely inconvenienced by this occurrence, happening as it did at a time when people like to go out and enjoy themselves with friends, or just get home after a long day at work. Although we did all we could to get you where you needed to be, we do realise that it was not a good end to the working week, and for this we are sorry. Those affected may be entitled to compensation...

    No doubt another one is being prepared.......

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Maidenhead
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and Maidenhead fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Replacement road transport in operation between Reading and Maidenhead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2017, 09:50:31
    Affecting several services this morning

    08:52 Oxford to London Paddington due 09:57


    08:52 Oxford to London Paddington due 09:57 will no longer call at Slough.
    It has been delayed at Oxford and is now 39 minutes late.
    This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 20, 2017, 21:34:25
    Cancellations to services at Reading
    Due to a points failure at Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or running non stop. Disruption is expected until 22:00 20/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2017, 07:25:31

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and Slough
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Ealing Broadway and Slough the line towards Reading is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 21/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 21, 2017, 07:29:33
    I’m london bound on an High Speed Train (HST) and have been told that it’s a broken down train...

    Update: broken down train to Swansea necessitating a track inspection of all lines.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2017, 07:54:25
    I’m london bound on an HST and have been told that it’s a broken down train...

    Update: broken down train to Swansea necessitating a track inspection of all lines.

    Yep, another one of the wonderful new trains has broken down.....stuck outside Paddington waiting for a platform, half an hour late already & driver says he has "no idea" how long we'll be waiting.....outstanding performance GWR.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 21, 2017, 08:06:26
    Journeycheck says:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and Slough
    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and Slough the line towards Reading is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 21/12.
    Customer Advice
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 1 hour.
    Last Updated:21/12/2017 07:47

    I note that they have stopped talking about emergency line inspections


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2017, 08:20:11
    Why would a broken down train necessitate a track inspection? Understand if something like the fuel tank collapsed on the track, but a simple break down?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 21, 2017, 08:47:35
    Earlier passed a IEP to Swansea 1B05? stationary on the Down Main with all pans down on the town side of Hayes and Harlington.  We queued to crawl passed it on the Up Main with the TM saying that a safety inspection of the overhead wires was in progress.  Couldn't see anything wrong in particular. Delayed 30 minutes so not as bad as I thought it was going to be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2017, 08:49:28
    That explains it - the wires are considered as part of the 'track' - which I guess is reasonable.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on December 21, 2017, 09:34:35
    Looks like there a drag on the horizon.

    A 0Z99 is shown on open train times at the west end of Brenford sidings at Southall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 21, 2017, 09:44:21
    It had an ADD (Automatic Dropping Device) activation, which is a pantograph safety feature and could mean problems with the train or overhead wires - hence the need for the inspection.  Worryingly it was then unable to proceed on diesel power for some reason, which should be one of the great advantages of these new trains.  As I’ve said before though, brand new trains with brand new technology will take a while to settle down and overall reliability is probably a little better than I was personally expecting.  Hitachi bods will no doubt do a thorough investigation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on December 21, 2017, 09:48:18
    Looks like there a drag on the horizon.

    A 0Z99 is shown on open train times at the west end of Brenford sidings at Southall.


    A 1Z99 is now proceeding on the down main towards the disabled 1B05


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Boppy on December 21, 2017, 10:43:49
    Just passed it on the way into London.

    Looks like in an attempt to move it they have connected a third IET to it. (There were 3x5 sets all connected - certainly an unusual sight!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on December 21, 2017, 11:23:06
    Looks like there a drag on the horizon.

    A 0Z99 is shown on open train times at the west end of Brenford sidings at Southall.


    A 1Z99 is now proceeding on the down main towards the disabled 1B05


    There is now a 5B05 which appears to be a prospective working UP the Main Down to either Brentford sidings or back towards  Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 21, 2017, 18:13:21
    It had an ADD (Automatic Dropping Device) activation, which is a pantograph safety feature and could mean problems with the train or overhead wires - hence the need for the inspection.  Worryingly it was then unable to proceed on diesel power for some reason, which should be one of the great advantages of these new trains.  As I’ve said before though, brand new trains with brand new technology will take a while to settle down and overall reliability is probably a little better than I was personally expecting.  Hitachi bods will no doubt do a thorough investigation.

    Given the time it took to rescue it and there are no reports of wire damage, I suspect the trains on-board confuser got errrrrrrrrrr confused dropped the pan which will give a ADD and if the confuser was in a really bad mood may have locked out all traction power, if I recall correctly the power pack (inverter) is powered by either the OLE or the diesel generator

    Hitachi seem to be having a nightmare with these trains compared to their older siblings the 395's which have performed very well over the last 10 years, although they don't have a diesel engine


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2017, 18:44:45
    Another one has just broken down at Slough - a Turbo which is now blocking platform 4.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on December 21, 2017, 19:35:41
    How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 21, 2017, 19:55:07
    Another one has just broken down at Slough - a Turbo which is now blocking platform 4.

    Not broken down. Someone defecated in the passenger saloon of the train. It was taken out of service at Slough for cleaning. (17:46 Paddington to Reading)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 21, 2017, 20:49:39
    How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT.

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Also......
    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 21, 2017, 21:03:27
    Surely going to cost Hitachi a lot of money?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 21, 2017, 21:04:27

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it.

    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.

    Surely that cost falls to Hitachi?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 21, 2017, 21:29:24

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it.

    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.

    Surely that cost falls to Hitachi?

    I wondered that.  And if it is GWR, it wasn't one TOC on another.  Where one TOC delays another, they pay each other. Where they delay themselves, do they pay themselves, or is the author looking at the cost of repaying passengers and providing buses, taxis and overnight accommodation where required.  And if a Hitachi train - leased and serviced to provide a certain level of availability - falls over due to a train fault, is the money that comes back from GWR or Hitachi?

    Perhaps GWR might make money out of it if Hitachi have to pay them, but they only pay customers on each customer's claim?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 21, 2017, 21:42:37

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it.

    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.

    Surely that cost falls to Hitachi?

    I wondered that.  And if it is GWR, it wasn't one TOC on another.  Where one TOC delays another, they pay each other. Where they delay themselves, do they pay themselves, or is the author looking at the cost of repaying passengers and providing buses, taxis and overnight accommodation where required.  And if a Hitachi train - leased and serviced to provide a certain level of availability - falls over due to a train fault, is the money that comes back from GWR or Hitachi?

    Perhaps GWR might make money out of it if Hitachi have to pay them, but they only pay customers on each customer's claim?

    Don't forget Heathrow Express.  When I looked mid-way through the disruption their delays were racking up.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on December 21, 2017, 21:50:31
    How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT.


    I did wonder if the 0Z99 sat in the Brentford sidings was a 57 and then saw a 1Z99 appear on the Down Main and draw up to one signal away from 1B05 after the word SHUT had been removed from the same signal 'dock'. Then 5B03 appeared in the signal 'dock' as if to run back into Brentford sidings or by using a trailing crossover back towards Paddomgton. All on OTT.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 21, 2017, 21:53:15
    Just for info, and not intended to be critical, the 'DOCK' is actually a Train Describer 'BERTH'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 21, 2017, 21:58:34
    This interesting snippet was posted by somebody 'in the know' on the WNXX Forum:

    Quote
    Oh to be a fly on the wall at 0900 Friday in M Hopwood's office eh?

    Quote
    That meeting has already taken place. There was a face to face on Wednesday afternoon between Hitachi seniors and GWR seniors where it was made plain that the current situation wasn’t acceptable. As they were meeting there was another failure. The failures, the continued inability to couple in service (with no solution having yet been sorted) the running with engines out, the short forms on key trains and the over optimal tuning of the 700kw output leading to pp performance on the road all got aired, apparently.

    The DfT are also not too amused that they have paid for all the unmuzzling and GWR have been telling them for weeks that the performance seems to be worse than the 700kw test runs. A formal letter asking for an explanation of what they have actually done to the engines over the whole speed range is now rumoured to have been sent.

    After this mornings incident a very senior man at FG who has an american accent has got involved and he isn’t bothering with the likes of the people who GWR met yesterday. After his personal experience of the first day and what has happened since, he is reported to be seriously hacked off.

    NR, as yet, have not complained to GWR that these units are not performing as promised but if there are too many more incidents or delays, even considering they are not in the strongest moral position on matters Western, they might start to put real pressure on GWR to “resolve or remove”.

    When the units talk to each other and are set up right, they are fine pieces of kit. But currently they are starting to behave like class 50’s on a very bad day and for the money you and I, as taxpayers, have forked out for all this, that isn’t remotely good enough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: W5tRailfinder on December 21, 2017, 22:05:34
    I watched events on OTT.

    The failed unit(s) eventually moved to North Pole from Southall TC at 21:15 as 5Z06. There was an earlier movement 5Z05 at 19:30.

    Yet again the Heathrow Connect was cancelled. It will be interesting in the future when the Elizabeth Line commences, will their services be cancelled. Will they also claim that the Relief Lines belong to them and the other services can keep off.

    What is also never mentioned is that not only does EL take over Heathrow Connect, but it also takes over the role of the inter terminal shuttle between T2/3 and T4, which is part of Heathrow Express. When problems occur, it will be interesting what happens if an EL class 345 unit cannot reach the airport to act as a shuttle.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 22, 2017, 06:14:56
    I think it’s a case of ‘told you so’ long before these trains came off the production line. Running a diesel/electric high speed train is asking for trouble yet dft tell us is the answer to the railways problems rather than doing the job properly fully electrifying the route.

    People may not have much time for Roger Ford on this forum, but he’s been around a long time reporting on the UK rail industry so might be in a position to say this is not a good solution and a very expensive one too.

    If Great Western Railway (GWR) had to pull these trains now the timetable would be in serious trouble with High Speed Train's (HST)’s and 180’s leaving the fleet.

    Oh and whilst we are talking about GWR seniors meeting up, don’t suppose they had a meeting to discuss the so called service they are meant to be operating on the Cardiff-Portsmouth line. I think yesterday’s service sunk to new lows with 7 out of 22 southbound services cancelled, most during the evening peak.

    Can’t wait to see what beholds Great Western Railway GWR passengers heading home for Christmas on what’s been dubbed ‘frantic Friday’.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 22, 2017, 06:28:01
    If GWR had to pull these trains now the timetable would be in serious trouble with HST’s and 180’s leaving the fleet.

    Correct.  But then when any significant part of a transport operator's fleet has a "type problem" the timetable is up sh*t creek. Seen it (near to home) with all the units on - was it Heathrow Express or Heathrow Connect.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on December 22, 2017, 08:20:31
    An IEP sitting down at Hayes generates 2 pages on the ‘infrastructure’ thread...
    Must be because there are only 4 tracks there. Campaign for 6 tracks from Ladbroke to Airport Junction, anyone? It would have to be called ‘Hexification’!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 22, 2017, 09:35:48

    Can’t wait to see what beholds GWR passengers heading home for Christmas on what’s been dubbed ‘frantic Friday’.

    .............ahhhhh but remember that old "railway family" line, it's the human freight's own fault and they have no-one to blame but themselves for wanting to travel home for Christmas on a busy day!  I'm sure we'll hear it at some stage before too long!  ::)

    Merry Christmas to all and good luck with your travels! (M4/M5/A38 for me!)

    It's such a relief to know that once the Invisible Hopwood waves his wand on New Years Eve, 2018 will see previously unheard of levels of reliability, capacity and customer service and all memories of appalling service and performance will be but a distant memory! (..........or something like that)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on December 22, 2017, 09:38:13
    Drive safely,have a good Christmas.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 22, 2017, 10:23:49
    Significant challenges will remain in 2018.  There’s a new timetable for Thames Valley services, which includes capacity busting 12-car services for the first time.  It will no doubt take a few weeks to bed in though as drivers get used to driving over routes they have not driven electric traction over before.

    And although more drivers are slowly coming on stream, less people want time off between Jan-Apr and training requirements have become slightly less intense, there are still shortages.

    I’m expecting a slow return to normal as the year goes on though, and the extra capacity will start to make a real difference to people’s journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 22, 2017, 10:33:42
    Significant challenges will remain in 2018.  There’s a new timetable for Thames Valley services, which includes capacity busting 12-car services for the first time.  It will no doubt take a few weeks to bed in though as drivers get used to driving over routes they have not driven electric traction over before.

    And although more drivers are slowly coming on stream, less people want time off between Jan-Apr and training requirements have become slightly less intense, there are still shortages.

    I’m expecting a slow return to normal as the year goes on though, and the extra capacity will start to make a real difference to people’s journeys.

    ..................when you say "normal"........... :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 22, 2017, 10:46:53

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it.

    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.

    Surely that cost falls to Hitachi?

    Rumour has the they eventually had to isolate the brakes on the IETs and the 57 hauled them  very gingerly (walking pace) into the sidings at Southall West. Wonder how long it is since an unfitted train ran on BR tracks. Good job it's pretty level  around Hayes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 22, 2017, 10:50:59
    ‘Normal’ means a much better experience than the very poor one we’ve had over the last six months, but no doubt still some things for you to find fault bring to our attention, TG.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 22, 2017, 11:06:00
    Wonder how long it is since an unfitted train ran on BR tracks.

    Wikipedia says

    Quote
    While the UK railway system persisted until post-nationalisation in 1948 with "unfitted" (discontinuously braked) trains and loose couplings (the final unfitted trains ran in the 1990s) ...

    and that seems to be a reasonable statement, though no source / proof to supply.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 22, 2017, 11:29:39
    ‘Normal’ means a much better experience than the very poor one we’ve had over the last six months, but no doubt still some things for you to find fault bring to our attention, TG.  ;)

    Myself and tens of thousands of others will be the Judges of that on a daily basis

    "Normal" means conforming to a standard - we'll see if GWR can manage that - they've got an awfully long way to go before their standards are acceptable by any reasonable definition - I'm not sure "much better than very poor" can be quantified, but I'd be interested in anyone's attempts?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 22, 2017, 11:46:22
    Myself and tens of thousands of others will be the Judges of that on a daily basis

    We are an industry that is very much in the spotlight when things go wrong.  Let's hope for a big improvement from GWR in 2018.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 22, 2017, 12:30:23
    Wonder how long it is since an unfitted train ran on BR tracks.

    Wikipedia says

    Quote
    While the UK railway system persisted until post-nationalisation in 1948 with "unfitted" (discontinuously braked) trains and loose couplings (the final unfitted trains ran in the 1990s) ...

    and that seems to be a reasonable statement, though no source / proof to supply.

    I suspect that the above refers to trains INTENDED to run unfitted, i.e. trains of wagons not fitted with power operated brakes.
    I believe that there have been many "one off" movements of trains with isolated brakes since. It does happen that the brakes can not be released by manipulation of the drivers controls, if the defect can not be readily fixed at the trackside, then the brakes have to be isolated and the train moved very cautiously.
    Under such circumstances, the only means of stopping will be the brake on the assisting engine, hence the need for great care and extreme low speed.
    If possible, as well as the brake on the assisting engine, another vehicle with an effective brake should be attached at the rear of the train with the isolated brakes. Otherwise, any failure of the coupling to the engine could result in the unbraked train running away with potentially disastrous consequences.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Tim on December 22, 2017, 12:37:04
    Wonder how long it is since an unfitted train ran on BR tracks.

    Wikipedia says

    Quote
    While the UK railway system persisted until post-nationalisation in 1948 with "unfitted" (discontinuously braked) trains and loose couplings (the final unfitted trains ran in the 1990s) ...

    and that seems to be a reasonable statement, though no source / proof to supply.

    I suspect that the above refers to trains INTENDED to run unfitted, i.e. trains of wagons not fitted with power operated brakes.
    I believe that there have been many "one off" movements of trains with isolated brakes since. It does happen that the brakes can not be released by manipulation of the drivers controls, if the defect can not be readily fixed at the trackside, then the brakes have to be isolated and the train moved very cautiously.
    Under such circumstances, the only means of stopping will be the brake on the assisting engine, hence the need for great care and extreme low speed.
    If possible, as well as the brake on the assisting engine, another vehicle with an effective brake should be attached at the rear of the train with the isolated brakes. Otherwise, any failure of the coupling to the engine could result in the unbraked train running away with potentially disastrous consequences.


    AIUI, some of the recent new stock moves have been planned as unfitted.  I recall that new tube stock cam down from Derby with its brakes isolated (and with water tankers in the formation to provide sufficient braking


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 22, 2017, 13:02:48

    Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.

    Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it.

    Quote
    Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR an awful lot of money.

    Surely that cost falls to Hitachi?

    Rumour has the they eventually had to isolate the brakes on the IETs and the 57 hauled them  very gingerly (walking pace) into the sidings at Southall West. Wonder how long it is since an unfitted train ran on BR tracks. Good job it's pretty level  around Hayes.

    The 57 wasn’t used in the end. I don’t think the couplings were compatible.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 22, 2017, 13:53:40
    What is also never mentioned is that not only does EL take over Heathrow Connect, but it also takes over the role of the inter terminal shuttle between T2/3 and T4, which is part of Heathrow Express.

    Correct; Not sure about that second statement - any time I've got that service, it's been a Connect train. I think it's part of HConn, not HEX.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 22, 2017, 14:27:47
    I thought it was part of HEX, but using a class 360?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 22, 2017, 16:28:21
    The shuttles are actually not shuttles per se, just the usual HConn services on their journies from PAD to T4.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 22, 2017, 16:49:10
    Some are shuttles, aren’t they?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 22, 2017, 17:05:11
    They are all shuttles, operated by HEX

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/HAF/2017/12/22/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 22, 2017, 17:33:54
    The 57 wasn’t used in the end. I don’t think the couplings were compatible.


     I have been told the 57 was coupled to the units to pull them into the sidings but although coupled up the the brakes weren't coupled hence the slow speed drag with brakes isolated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 22, 2017, 18:08:13
    The 57 wasn’t used in the end. I don’t think the couplings were compatible.


     I have been told the 57 was coupled to the units to pull them into the sidings but although coupled up the the brakes weren't coupled hence the slow speed drag with brakes isolated.

    I heard several reasons why it wasn’t used, one being the coupler heights being different. Can’t remember the other reasons!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 22, 2017, 19:53:28
    The 57 wasn’t used in the end. I don’t think the couplings were compatible.


     I have been told the 57 was coupled to the units to pull them into the sidings but although coupled up the the brakes weren't coupled hence the slow speed drag with brakes isolated.

    I heard several reasons why it wasn’t used, one being the coupler heights being different. Can’t remember the other reasons!


    "Thunderbird" was not go then.

    I can see Hitachi having much egg on face, its clear they have relied on the class 800's being self recovering, the DfT have some culpability in this as well I would like to see the HazId and HaxOp for these new trains


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 23, 2017, 09:42:21
    I would like to see the HazId and HaxOp for these new trains

    I am not familiar with these terms.  Please could you expand?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 23, 2017, 10:17:48
    HAZID = Hazard Identification (Study)

    HAZOP = Hazard Operability (Study)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 23, 2017, 12:03:13
    I would like to see the HazId and HaxOp for these new trains

    I am not familiar with these terms.  Please could you expand?

    HAZID = Hazard Identification (Study)

    HAZOP = Hazard Operability (Study)

    As SandTEngineer said

    Basically these are processes. some is done desktop ie different engineering and operator disciplines form all parties involved collate all their data carry out risk assessments.  Then a series of meetings are held to work through hazards identified, the impact, mitigation etc ................... what is a mitigation to one discipline can become a risk to another.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on December 23, 2017, 13:10:03

    If possible, as well as the brake on the assisting engine, another vehicle with an effective brake should be attached at the rear of the train with the isolated brakes.


    I would love a framed picture of the first loaded IEP unit to be hauled by a 57 with a TOAD at the rear, oil  lamps lit and coal stove smoking nicely, even better with a video clip and audio of the 57 whistling for brakes!

    Happy Christmas and New Year to all!

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on December 24, 2017, 06:59:55

     I suppose the day's of 'dropping the buck-eye' and attaching an emergency coupling have gone.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 24, 2017, 08:26:20

     I suppose the day's of 'dropping the buck-eye' and attaching an emergency coupling have gone.

    Yep.   I was surprised to hear that a class 57 would not couple, would have thought that would have been an essential when they started the test runs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 24, 2017, 09:42:18

     I suppose the day's of 'dropping the buck-eye' and attaching an emergency coupling have gone.

    The IEP requirement goes on at some length about operating modes, which are:
    • Standard Mode
    • Locomotive Hauled Mode
    • Multiple Hauled Mode
    • Train Unable to Proceed Under Main Power Source Mode
    • Train Requires Assistance from Another Train Mode
    • Real Emergency Mode

    Of course the concept of the "operational mode" is essentially a software designer's one - hence the absence of the one that presumably applies in this case: "Software Having a Tantrum Mode".

    Loss of the main power source means either OLE with no juice or most on-board generators u/s. For a bimode running under OLE I guess both could be the main power source, and this train couldn't use either, not even the limited motion expected of the 801s as "electric" units. In that sense we must be in between Train Requires Assistance from Another Train Mode (Rescue) and Real Emergency Mode.

    Now Real Emergency Mode does have requirements for PA, comms, and lighting, but no further hotel services. Oddly, the introduction for this refers to derailment as the typical case! For physically coupling a rescue engine/train, including brakes, the case is the same as Locomotive Hauled Mode and Train Unable to Proceed Under Main Power Source Mode. But these do assume the controllers on board are at least trying to help.

    Coupling to a loco relies on an adaptor:
    Quote
    It is permissible for the Locomotive to be prepared for use with an IEP Train in Locomotive Hauled Mode prior to coupling to the IEP Train. If the Locomotive is to be prepared in advance of being coupled to the relevant IEP Train, the design of the adaptor coupler to be used for this purpose must allow any Locomotive that is prepared in advance for Locomotive Hauled Mode to remain able to operate on the railway.

    When being rescued, the minimum performance requirement is one of the few places that recognises controller failure is possible:
    Quote
    N021 Where an IEP Train requires assistance from another train and assistance is provided by another IEP Train then the acceleration and maximum speed of the resulting IEP Train must not be limited by any restrictions other than those limits identified in TS261 and the available traction capability of the assisting IEP Train, subject to there being no system failure on the IEP Train requiring assistance which prevents this. This shall be possible irrespective of whether power is available to the control systems on the IEP Train requiring assistance.

    N022 Where an IEP Train requires assistance from another train and power is available to its control systems it must be possible for a Locomotive to assist the IEP Train at a speed commensurate with the strength of any coupler adapter provided, and in any event no less than 30mph, subject to the capability of the assisting Locomotive and there being no system failure on the train requiring assistance which prevents this.

    N023 In the event that a system failure occurs such that an IEP Train that requires assistance cannot be hauled by another IEP Train or Locomotive from hauling it as specified in N021 and N022 then the IEP Train must be designed so as to allow safe haulage at a lower speed. Such a failure must not occur more than once in every 100 rescues.

    Note that N023 isn't in English, so it isn't clear just what it applies to. Would the controller really be needed for the train brakes to work? I can't see anything else about brakes not working once a train is stationary - I assume they follow standard railway practice. The section on brakes reads (in its entirety):
    Quote
    4.4 Brakes

    TS314 In addition to complying with the requirements set out in the TSI that relate to emergency braking, an IEP Train’s service brake must also comply with the requirements of Figure 3, Curve A3 in Railway Group Standard GM/RT2044, Issue 4, June 2001, ‘Braking System Requirements and Performance for Multiple Units’.

    TS1849 The IEP brake system on the IEP Trains must not allow undetected single point failures or likely combinations of failures that could lead to an unsafe event. As a minimum the events to be considered as unsafe shall include the following;
    • significant loss of braking capability; and
    • dragging brakes on all axles of one or more IEP Vehicles simultaneously.

    I never got involved with complex system design for real (whether labelled "System Architect" or not). However, I see quite a bit of it about ten years ago, and I reckoned that software design ideas had been adopted in the design of whole systems, even ones with lots of solid bits, in a way that wasn't helping to get them right first time. So I wonder ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 24, 2017, 10:23:11
    You would have thought that coupling a locomotive would have been part of the testing regime, but then..... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 24, 2017, 10:28:57
    You would have thought that coupling a locomotive would have been part of the testing regime, but then..... ::)

    As GWR should be only too aware, as Brunel used to say, assumption is the Mother of all F*** ups!  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 24, 2017, 12:48:15
    I think the failure to couple the loco to the IET arose from them using a 57/3 which has a Dellner coupler fitted. This coupler is setup to haul 387’s.
    If they had used a 57/6 and fitted the IET adaptor coupling over the drawhook I don’t think there would have been an issue.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 24, 2017, 13:33:24
    Ahh, so wrong sort of 57 !?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 24, 2017, 20:01:30
    Ahh, so wrong sort of 57 !?  :)

    And I thought it was only Hinze that had 57 different varieties  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2017, 05:48:46
    Not a good start.......

    Cancellations to services at Oxford
    Due to a points failure at Oxford some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:45 27/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 28, 2017, 11:38:39
    And not a good start to today's 'soft launch' of electric services west of Maidenhead:

    Quote
    A safety inspection of the overhead electrical wires between Twyford and Reading has resulted in some lines being closed in the direction of Reading. Also, further disruption has been caused by a broken down train at Goring & Streatley affecting trains between Twyford and Didcot Parkway.

    Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected to continue until 12:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 03, 2018, 14:05:58
    More bad news today:

    Quote
    Disruption between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington expected until 15:00

    Damage to Overhead wires between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington is causing disruption to journeys between these stations.

    Services may be cancelled, revised or delayed by up to 40 minutes. This is expected to continue until 15:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on January 03, 2018, 15:17:53
    And it's having long-term effects. JourneyCheck is reporting:

    Quote
    Sat, 13 January 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41
    13/01/18 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41 will be starting late from London Paddington and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 03, 2018, 19:19:50
    Indeed - that has been on the website for 5 hours.  I am amazed no-one responsible has spotted it yet.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on January 03, 2018, 20:26:18
    And it's having long-term effects. JourneyCheck is reporting:

    Quote
    Sat, 13 January 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41
    13/01/18 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41 will be starting late from London Paddington and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.

    I'd like a go on GWR's crystal ball. See if it will do the Lotto numbers for that day too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 06:15:11
    ...........you really couldn't make it up could you?

    Cancellations to services at Reading


    Due to failure of the electricity supply at Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:15 04/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 04, 2018, 06:19:02
    Due to failure of the electricity supply at Reading some lines are blocked.

    Electric trains stuck in platforms perhaps?    Should have added diesel engines and called them "bi-mode"  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 04, 2018, 07:44:05
    It's been elaborated to read :
    The power supply has failed at Reading Depot which means that the GWR Electrostar service between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington is disrupted. Network Rail colleagues are due on site imminently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 04, 2018, 08:37:04
    The 07.01 (Turbo) from Maidenhead to Paddington arrived with 3 of 6 carriages locked out of service - no mention of this by the driver or platform staff so perhaps they were oblivious to the mess unfolding.
    The 3 remaining carriages were miserable and a woman near me collapsed to the floor around Hayes. 

    Utter disgrace.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on January 04, 2018, 11:26:48
    The 07.01 (Turbo) from Maidenhead to Paddington arrived with 3 of 6 carriages locked out of service - no mention of this by the driver or platform staff so perhaps they were oblivious to the mess unfolding.
    The 3 remaining carriages were miserable and a woman near me collapsed to the floor around Hayes. 

    Utter disgrace.
    Indeed - not been the best week on the trains.. I've already had over 60 minutes of delays in just three days..It's going to be one long year if it continues like this.. Maybe GWR forgot to make a resolution to actually run a proper train service in 2018.. At least that way they won't break it like they have done in all the previous years   ::) ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 13:00:37
    More joy to look forward to.....

    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 04/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 04, 2018, 13:21:33
    Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.

    Due to a tree blocking the railway between Bedwyn and Newbury all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/01.

    Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2018, 13:23:04
    Let's hope GWR doesn't try to mask its awful start to the new timetable by blaming trees and suicides for it all.  It goes much deeper than that!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 13:43:56
    Let's hope GWR doesn't try to mask its awful start to the new timetable by blaming trees and suicides for it all.  It goes much deeper than that!

    Indeed, they need to get to the root of the problem and stop making excuses...(sorry!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 04, 2018, 19:12:41
    It's been elaborated to read :
    The power supply has failed at Reading Depot which means that the GWR Electrostar service between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington is disrupted. Network Rail colleagues are due on site imminently.

    this morning 06:30 at Maidenhead the cancellations were being announced as a problem with the Overhead Electrification.

    Problem with the term "power supply" can range from a few watts that powers a point indicator to OLE down in the sidings


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 04, 2018, 20:21:34
    Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.
    Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.

    A trampoline hit and smashed the windscreen of a train


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 04, 2018, 20:37:16
    There was quite a lot on the radio at lunch time about trampolines and railways. It seems this is not the only such incursion.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 04, 2018, 20:39:24
    Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.
    Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.

    A trampoline hit and smashed the windscreen of a train

    These trampolines are a menace, a neighbour's went bowling down the road Tuesday smashing into quite a few parked cars.  what's really annoying car owners is said trampoline owner doesn't seem to see they need to pay for the damage .......................... insurance companies are going have fun sorting that out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2018, 21:36:39
    Should be included in house insurance?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on January 04, 2018, 22:30:18
    Should be included in house insurance?

    I would presume so, as part of public liability cover. Presuming that the owner of the trampoline admits that it is theirs, and also if the trampoline owner HAS any public liability insurance. Many tenants do not.
    When I was a tenant I had no insurance.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on January 05, 2018, 05:41:49
    These trampolines are a menace.
    They are, causing all sorts of delays when they get blown onto the line. An absolute nuisance to Network Rail, TOCs and passengers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 05, 2018, 05:44:16
    These trampolines are a menace.
    They are, causing all sorts of delays when they get blown onto the line. An absolute nuisance to Network Rail, TOCs and passengers.

    .............sounds rather like the RMT.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 09, 2018, 04:35:27
    Best stay at home then? 😡

    Cancellations to services on all routes
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/01.
    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington services across a majority of the network are expected to be disrupted this morning


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 09, 2018, 06:23:29
    Best stay at home then? 😡

    Cancellations to services on all routes
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/01.
    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington services across a majority of the network are expected to be disrupted this morning

    WTAF ?!?!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 09, 2018, 07:11:30
    Signalling restored but not before it has had a pretty devastating effect on the start of service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 09, 2018, 07:28:15
    It's great to see all the promises about improvements from January 2018 coming to fruition.....all we need now is infrastructure that works, trains that work (or at least a situation where "more than usual" don't need repairing), and enough crew to operate them & we'll be in railway nirvana!

    In the meantime, cough up for your fare increases with a smile & don't be ungrateful!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 09, 2018, 09:57:30
    I understand that things happen with infrastructure, even frequently. I get that. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is the ridiculous decisions that seem to be made as a result. Example:

    0651 arrived at 0654 at Goring today, 8-car EMU.
    0703 was scheduled to arrive at 0731,  8-car EMU.
    0730 was scheduled to arrive at 0730, 4-car EMU.

    Doesn't take a genius to see that 2 trains will not arrive on the same platform, at the same time, so I knew one would be altered. I was at the station at 0645, and all of that information was displayed up until 0715, when suddenly the 0703 was cancelled.

    Yes, that maybe because the 8-car was not available, but then why was it show as running (which it clearly was, given it had a delayed arrival time, rather than just saying "On Time" which is the default) if the train was not even available.

    So we end up with the 4-car EMU, which was gonna be hell past Reading, and as we approach Tilehurst, we overtake an 8-car EMU. The thing was almost empty. No idea where it last called, but thanks to the handy display on the side, I could see it was stopping at Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead and Paddington.

    We arrive and then left Tilehurst, and pull into Reading. Just as we stopped, another 8-car EMU from one of the platforms across from us, started to pull out. Again, thanks to the handy display, it was clear it was non-stop to Paddington. And how many people on this 8-car EMU? No more that 16 people (hard to count as it accelerated away, but certainly was no more than 1 or 2 in each car.).

    When we left Reading it was standing only, at Twford it was heaving, and at Maidenhead it was not a chance in merry hell.


    If they had cancelled the 0730 and not the 0703, we would have had 8 cars instead of 4.

    Or if they had added an additional stop on the one just approaching Tilehurst to call at Tilehurst, it would have helped the 4-car I was on (and there would have been plenty of time to stop, given it never overtook us on the rest of the journey to Reading).

    Or if they had held the 8-car at Reading and made an announcement to all the customers on the 4-car, some would have moved to the 8-car I am sure.

    Of if they had added an additional stop at Twyford for the 8-car EMU, that would have all but eliminated the crush at Twyford on the 4-car EMU. Yes, that may had delayed us, but given all the delays anyway, a couple more minutes would not have made a difference.


    As an aside, last night, the 1740 to Oxford arrived at Maidenhead on platform 1, as there was an EMU on platform 3 for Reading, which had sat there for a while. There was an almighty scrum as everyone piled off the EMU, down the stairs, under the underpass, up the stairs and on to platform one. It was chaos with people getting off as everyone tried to get on. Then as we sat there on platform one, the EMU pulled out, again with no more than 20-odd people and carried on to Reading in front of us. WTF was that all about! Could have been some serious accidents with everyone running up and down those stairs, and clearly everyone that got off the EMU was getting off at Twyford or Reading anyway, and ended up behind the one they were already on!


    Anyway, I am rambling!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 09, 2018, 10:01:35
    Due to a problem with line-side equipment between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 09/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 09, 2018, 10:29:21
    "Like I said last time, it won't happen again".

    Problems elsewhere - cable theft in Bristol being one - have compounded matters, not that it looks as though they needed much compounding.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 09, 2018, 11:18:56
    In reply to lordgoata, the 7:03 (1P08) was cancelled at Goring in the sense that it ran on the Main Lines so didn't stop. It may have stopped at Tilehurst - RTT suggests it did, but isn't able to clearly show that. I imagine the idea was that it would get back in front of yours (1P11), but it didn't - it tagged along behind it all the rest of the way.

    The train that left Reading as you arrived was 1P10, which is DID/RDG/PAD only. As a result it isn't in timetable T10 (which says "stopping services", though it includes semi-fasts that don't stop much). Today it was cancelled DID-RDG, but note that it does not run of the Mains there - not until Kennet Bridge (it uses P13 at Reading).

    So it is one of the "peak-buster" fast EMUs, but it looks as if the set-up at Reading does not reflect that. I guess it does appear on the "next fast train" displays, but as it's not on P10/11 it's going to take more than that to persuade people to go for it. Of course this timetable is an interim one (until Crossrail come...), and the current lousy reliability will discourage anyone from switch trains or platforms for a better one they cabn't see. 

    I also wonder about the set of timetables we now have. T10 is better than most for showing all the trains from A to B, but even that has gaps. The traditional approach has been to say fast trains RDG-PAD are so frequent there's no need for a timetable; once we had P10/11 in use you just go there and jump on the next one. With a lot of new seats that contradict that advice, a bit of thinking is needed. And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Louis94 on January 09, 2018, 16:19:41
    And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.

    Whilst it may look like there is a gap at Reading, there isn't a sufficient gap at Didcot for it to get across from the Relief Lines onto the Main Lines. There is freight paths through Platform 3 shortly after its departure, so it isn't possible to hold the 387 in the platform that bit longer to go behind the Bristol-Paddington. I could see this train perhaps starting from Swindon when the wires eventually extend that far, it could then run just behind the Bristol-Paddington service from Swindon and use the Main Lines throughout. When the 110mph running times are used it could be quite a fast service from Didcot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 09, 2018, 16:22:10
    Hopefully this will be fixed by 17:00 as stated:

    Quote
    A fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough is causing disruption to journeys between Reading and Slough.

    Services may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes.

    Disruption is expected to continue until 17:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 09, 2018, 20:31:04
    And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.

    Whilst it may look like there is a gap at Reading, there isn't a sufficient gap at Didcot for it to get across from the Relief Lines onto the Main Lines. There is freight paths through Platform 3 shortly after its departure, so it isn't possible to hold the 387 in the platform that bit longer to go behind the Bristol-Paddington. I could see this train perhaps starting from Swindon when the wires eventually extend that far, it could then run just behind the Bristol-Paddington service from Swindon and use the Main Lines throughout. When the 110mph running times are used it could be quite a fast service from Didcot.

    Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced. Maybe when everything is running like clockwork passenger will cope better and it will matter less ...

    But while it isn't, the loss of time due to mainline running at 110 mph max (<1 min DID-RDG and <2 min RDG-PAD) is not going to matter much either, so maybe we will see that. At least, until even later when the clockwork is so convincing it's worth stepping up to beyond 20 tph on the Mains in the peaks .

    (File under "Fiction"?)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 10, 2018, 08:37:04
    In reply to lordgoata, the 7:03 (1P08) was cancelled at Goring in the sense that it ran on the Main Lines so didn't stop. It may have stopped at Tilehurst - RTT suggests it did, but isn't able to clearly show that. I imagine the idea was that it would get back in front of yours (1P11), but it didn't - it tagged along behind it all the rest of the way.

    Thanks for that stuving, at least sounds like they tried to make a decent plan, but still failed. I guess if there had been clear announcements at Reading and Twyford (of course there may have been) that there were longer, mostly empty trains behind the 4-car, then perhaps there would have been less passengers squeezing into it; but given the unreliability, I suspect many wouldn't want to risk it, as you say.

    Its just, as a passenger looking out at an almost completely empty train running next to you crammed into yours, when both have the similar stops and the same destination, you really do have to wonder about some of the decision making, hence my rant yesterday!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on January 10, 2018, 14:05:42
    Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced.
    Point of information...
    A train on the Up Relief could cross to the Festival line at Reading West Junction, then into Reading platforms 7 or 8, then up along the Down Main to Kennet Bridge.  At the cost of crossing the Down Relief on the flat at Reading West Junction, and tying up the Down Main, and causing untold confusion on the transfer deck at Reading.

    So possibly not a very useful crossover.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 10, 2018, 14:10:23
    Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced.
    Point of information...
    A train on the Up Relief could cross to the Festival line at Reading West Junction, then into Reading platforms 7 or 8, then up along the Down Main to Kennet Bridge.  At the cost of crossing the Down Relief on the flat at Reading West Junction, and tying up the Down Main, and causing untold confusion on the transfer deck at Reading.

    So possibly not a very useful crossover.

    Indeed - especially as I was angling to get that train into P10/11; it gets onto the Mains at Kennet Bridge anyway. The Festival Line works fine in the down direction, but then it doesn't matter a lot which platform you drop people at!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 12, 2018, 09:14:32
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 12/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 12, 2018, 12:03:51
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Having a very big senior moment but how will that failure lead to blocked lines?
    Surely just replace the fuse (or put more £1 coins in the meter)  :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 12, 2018, 12:12:35
    You reset the trip or replace the fuse and it trips/blows again straight away due to the original fault still being there.  Meanwhile the electric trains in the area have no power so cannot move and thus block the line.

    The good news is the problem has been cured and things are on the move.  Five trains were trapped at one point.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 16, 2018, 09:19:55
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Slough and Ealing Broadway some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:00 16/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 16, 2018, 19:23:23
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 22:00 16/01.
    Customer Advice: Heathrow Connect services are running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 16, 2018, 20:28:16
    Track defect leading to a 20mph speed restriction on the up main.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on January 16, 2018, 21:10:41
    Now expected not to be rectified until 22:00 Thursday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on January 16, 2018, 22:19:36
    Now expected not to be rectified until 22:00 Thursday.
    Which begs the questions...
    How many trains will pass over it, albeit at 20mph, until then?
    Will that cause the defect to worsen?
    How long a daytime closure would be needed to rectify it sooner - and would that entail closure of one or both adjacent lines?

    On roads, the wear-n-tear increases as the 5th power of the axle load.  (Double the axle load, increase the tarmac damage by 32 times.). I don't know how speed affects that calculation.  Are there any track engineers out there that can give the equivalent sums for rail?

    (and for $64k) Will a train derail between now and Thusday 2200 hrs?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 17, 2018, 02:34:53
    (and for $64k) Will a train derail between now and Thusday 2200 hrs?

    Simple answer. No.
    There are plenty of 20mph speed restrictions up and down the country for track defects that never cause a derailment. It’s not a new thing. I’ve driven over track before with a 5mph speed restriction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 17, 2018, 09:03:04
    Its probably a cracked cast magnese crossing (again)......  They are OK to travel over at 20mph and a track watchman is usually put in place to keep an eye on it.  The delay is usually due to having to get the new crossing (they are no lightweight thing), staff and kit on site to do the change.

    This could all be guessing though, it might just be that Network Rail (NR) aren't organised enough to correct whatever defect it is, in 24 hours..... ::) :P

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 17, 2018, 09:16:38
    It may be that was the worst case being quoted, this is now updated to:
    "Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/01"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 17, 2018, 11:08:24
    I thought the excessive padding in the timetables was inserted to take care of TSRs?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 17, 2018, 16:46:21
    It may be that was the worst case being quoted, this is now updated to:
    "Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/01"

    Pushed out again

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 23:59 17/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 17, 2018, 17:42:34
    Its probably a cracked cast magnese crossing (again)......  They are OK to travel over at 20mph and a track watchman is usually put in place to keep an eye on it.  The delay is usually due to having to get the new crossing (they are no lightweight thing), staff and kit on site to do the change.

    This could all be guessing though, it might just be that NR aren't organised enough to correct whatever defect it is, in 24 hours..... ::) :P

    SandTEngineer could right, some of the castings are specials and only a few are held Nationally.

    The other problem is the cutting, stressing and welding in sub zero rail temperatures, UK rail is stressed for a normal 20oC the Track Engineer may be reluctant to do this operation with the current tempratures 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 11:13:41
    .....here we go again...

     
    Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Southall and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/01.
    Further Information
    Trains from London Paddington/Southall towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Louis94 on January 18, 2018, 11:29:08
    .....here we go again...

     
    Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Southall and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/01.
    Further Information
    Trains from London Paddington/Southall towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley.

    5mph ESR due to a broken insulated rail joint. Sounds like they are hoping to replace it this afternoon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 18, 2018, 12:31:42
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 18, 2018, 12:38:42
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.

    Greetings from 1C12 at Goring and Streatley

    Fast lines westbound closed ... everyone on the slow lines

    Err - sorry - main lines closed ... everyone on the relief

    Said to be a "broken rail" to us on the train.  Presumably the track is strong enough to take the new trains?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Louis94 on January 18, 2018, 13:21:20
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.

    Greetings from 1C12 at Goring and Streatley

    Fast lines westbound closed ... everyone on the slow lines

    Err - sorry - main lines closed ... everyone on the relief

    Said to be a "broken rail" to us on the train.  Presumably the track is strong enough to take the new trains?

    Defect in a set of points on the Down Main at Didcot East. The set of points have in the last 15 minutes been authorised for train movements when in the reverse position, this means everything will have to cross over to the Relief lines if using the Down Main.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 18, 2018, 14:41:32
    According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

    http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 18, 2018, 15:06:22
    According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

    http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


    1. If you have an important engagement, it usually makes sense to take one train earlier than then you really need (discuss)

    2. I was also nearly an hour late home.   Why didn't that make The Metro's web site?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 18, 2018, 15:36:24
    Going for the train before is a kind of insurance. If one could rely on one's intended train running and reasonably to time (< 5-10 mins late depending on connections) every time you wanted to catch it then going for the train before would become unnecessary.

     I must admit where possible I tend to go for the train before especially if I have an onward connection. It gives more drinking time at the junction station even at Mirfield!

    Should this be a new thread?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 17:02:02
    Going for the train before is a kind of insurance. If one could rely on one's intended train running and reasonably to time (< 5-10 mins late depending on connections) every time you wanted to catch it then going for the train before would become unnecessary.

     I must admit where possible I tend to go for the train before especially if I have an onward connection. It gives more drinking time at the junction station even at Mirfield!

    Should this be a new thread?

    Yes I think most regular travellers (definitely commuters) are resigned to the fact that our railway system is so unreliable that you rely on one train to get you there on time at your peril and so set out earlier than should be necessary.

    Those who don't use trains regularly however are perhaps naïve enough to assume that the advertised timetable can be relied upon?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 18, 2018, 17:55:20
    in the bad old days of Thames Trains when 80% punctuality was the norm, it meant you would regularly be late on at least two of your daily commutes per week. Usually an evening you wanted to be on time.

    The only consolation you got 5% on your annual seaon ticket, which meant for several years as inflation wa ;ow I paid less each year.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 19:48:12
    Back on topic......

    Delays to services between Slough and West Drayton
    Due to a points failure between Slough and West Drayton some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 18/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on January 18, 2018, 20:49:51
    According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

    http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


    I bet they're on the web site right now submitting their Delay Repay claim. ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 19, 2018, 07:46:17
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Thatcham trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 19/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 19, 2018, 12:27:00
    The railways falling apart. I would go by car but the potholes are getting too deep.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on January 19, 2018, 12:47:30
    The railways falling apart. I would go by car but the potholes are getting too deep.
    Aren't the just!  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 22, 2018, 16:39:53
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines are closed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Impact: Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington have been revised.

    Customer Advice:
    Due to overhead line damage at Hayes & Harlington, Platform 5 is closed to electric trains. This means the Hayes Shuttle electric services are running with diesel trains today, formed of 3 coaches.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 22, 2018, 17:01:29
    Plastic bag or explosive pigeon I wonder?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on January 22, 2018, 20:24:43
    Are not most of the existing 3 car DMUs due to be cascaded further West and/or to other TOCs ?
    How many are being kept ?
    What will happen in windy weather in future, once most of the DMUs have gone ?

    I have a cynical suspicion, that the work around in future windy weather/pigeon explosions will to use 5 car IEPs in diesel mode for suburban services, with main line services being half length to free up units for suburban services.

    It is beginning to look as though the new suburban trains should have been bi-mode!



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on January 22, 2018, 21:28:02
    Just for info, the 0651 from Goring was turbotuted today as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 22, 2018, 21:37:03
     Have the wires at Hayes been upgraded or are they still headspan system from HEx electrification?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on January 22, 2018, 21:52:36

    On UK Rail forums, GW Electrification thread, it is reported that 387 pantograph carbon damage might have been traced to the Hayes bay - hence the block on electric trains today. Anyone know more?

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 22, 2018, 22:22:25
    Have the wires at Hayes been upgraded or are they still headspan system from HEx electrification?

    Its a bit of a hybrid much of it is still Mk3 headspan, however the Route have been doing upgrades at critical places like S&C (junctions)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2018, 06:46:30
    OHL at Hayes still knackered this morning, now this too

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 23/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 23, 2018, 14:54:10
    turbotuted  :D.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on January 23, 2018, 16:07:48
    As expected, the message has been revised to cover until the end of the day
    Quote
    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington have been revised.
    Customer Advice
    Due to overhead line damage at Hayes & Harlington, Platform 5 is closed to electric trains. This means the Hayes Shuttle electric services are running with diesel trains today, formed of 3 coaches.
    Last Updated:23/01/2018 13:56

    At least they've not cancelled them! Reducing stops on the busier local services seems to be their default option during disruption ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on January 26, 2018, 08:10:43
    Morning

    Quote
    Delays to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:45 26/01.
    Last Updated:26/01/2018 08:03


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 26, 2018, 08:12:30
    I'm crawling along on 1A70. It's been a lousy morning commute this week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 26, 2018, 09:26:01
    I'm crawling along on 1A70. It's been a lousy morning commute this week.

    It's been pretty lousy all month!  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on January 27, 2018, 11:55:16
    Yesterday was another bad commute.. 8.02 MAI to PAD too full to get on.. 8.06 cancelled.. 8.11 an impressive 2 coaches.. Well done on that one GWR.. I opted for the 8.16 stopping service as I didn't fancy being stuck in delays because of this in a cattle truck... Got to work half an hour late..Ho hum...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on February 02, 2018, 06:39:14
    Another end of week present

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Passengers from Acton Main Line wishing to travel towards Ealing, Slough and Reading are advised to catch a service to Paddington and circulate.

    Passengers from Paddington wishing to travel to Acton Main Line should catch a service to Ealing Broadway and circulate.
    Last Updated:02/02/2018 06:33


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 02, 2018, 09:11:35
    ... advised to catch a service to Paddington and circulate.

    An interesting way of expressing the intention of passengers doubling back.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on February 02, 2018, 10:22:44
    Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on February 02, 2018, 19:47:13
    Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!
    Or vestibule!  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 02, 2018, 22:11:12
    Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!

    What you do to alamp isn't it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chuffed on February 02, 2018, 22:20:14
    Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!

    What you do to alamp isn't it?

    For years I thought a 'pantograph' was one of those 'etch-a-sketch' things.  Turns out to be what they were were designed on !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 03, 2018, 12:05:56
    Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!
    Or vestibule!  ::)
    The late Chuck Berry introduced me to Vestibule when he sang  my ding a ling 😉


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on February 03, 2018, 19:29:55

    1. If you have an important engagement, it usually makes sense to take one train earlier than then you really need (discuss)

    You would risk the royal visitors getting there before the paint has dried.

    Quote
    2. I was also nearly an hour late home.   Why didn't that make The Metro's web site?  ;D

    Beats me too! ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 05, 2018, 17:05:43
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 05/02.

    This is optimistic. I'm 20 late leaving Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sanfrandragon on February 05, 2018, 18:11:56
    The service is no better ‘under the wires’, it’s just another reason/excuse for something to go wrong.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on February 05, 2018, 18:17:16
    Message has changed:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a safety inspection on a train between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 40 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:00 05/02.
    Customer Advice
    Great Western Railway Local inner London services being most severley affected with delays of up to 40 minutes together with result alterations and cancellation of services. As a result of congestion in the Paddington station area Main Line services are also subject to delay.

    Great Western Railway tickets being accepted on London Underground from Ealing Broadway, Acton stations and Greenford.

    London Buses are passing Great Western Railway ticket holders via any reasonable route along the Paddington / Ealing Broadway / Southall / Hayes corridor.
    Last Updated:05/02/2018 18:09


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 05, 2018, 18:46:06
    Same shit. Different year.
    No trains to Maidenhead at peak tonight. The 18.19 was On Time until 18.18 at which point it had Maidenhead scrubbed from the list of calling points. Other services simply cancelled.
    Any chance of help from the Helpdesk?  Nope. A grand total of zero concourse staff to assist this evening. Not one. I found 8 of them huddled halfway along platform 2 though.

    Utter utter utter uselessness. As always.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on February 05, 2018, 18:47:05
    Looks like the train affected is 2P58 1548 RDG-PAD - OpenTrainTimes is showing it still in the Westbourne Park area with a 1Z99 rescue train approaching it from the PAD direction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 05, 2018, 19:11:07
    All four pantographs on the two units damaged and problems with the overhead in the vicinity too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 05, 2018, 19:25:49
    All lines reopened (except line 6). Another 4-car 387 will leave Paddington to rescue the failed 2P58.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2018, 20:09:25
    ......it's strange how all those voices telling us how much better things would be from January 2018 seem to have fallen silent.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on February 05, 2018, 20:30:39
    All four pantographs on the two units damaged and problems with the overhead in the vicinity too.

    Was that 2P58? 387s have just the one pantograph each, you know. Mind you, if they'd been designed for the level of pan and OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) damage we're still seeing, perhaps they would have a spare one.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2018, 07:05:48
    A whole day of it to look forward to......

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop.
    Additional Information
    Due to damage to the overhead wires on Monday evening some services may be subject to alteration.
    One of the six tracks in to London Paddington is closed to electric trains. Electric trains have to use other tracks, and this will cause congestion in the area.
    The Hayes shuttle electric service will run as a diesel service to help alleviate congestion, however these trains will be formed of 2 coaches.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 06, 2018, 07:22:34
    Monday was a 4.5hr return commute from Maidenhead to Canary Wharf. I can’t wait to see what today offers me. Whatever it is GWR has exceeded themselves in the ‘delivering disappointment daily’ awards.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sanfrandragon on February 06, 2018, 08:30:23
    Same shit. Different year.
    No trains to Maidenhead at peak tonight. The 18.19 was On Time until 18.18 at which point it had Maidenhead scrubbed from the list of calling points. Other services simply cancelled.
    Any chance of help from the Helpdesk?  Nope. A grand total of zero concourse staff to assist this evening. Not one. I found 8 of them huddled halfway along platform 2 though.

    Utter utter utter uselessness. As always.

    Agreed.

    The 18.19 eventually arrived, around 20 minutes late, I got on, waited for the train to go, until the driver announced it would be fast to Reading, not stopping at Maidenhead, but might be stopping at stations thereafter.

    Its the chaos that gets me.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on February 06, 2018, 10:02:16
    Hayes services now 5 and 6 coaches

    Quote
    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised.
    Customer Advice
    The Hayes Shuttle electric trains will run as 5-coach and 6-coach diesel trains.
    Additional Information
    Due to damage to the overhead wires on Monday evening some services may be subject to alteration.
    One of the six tracks in to London Paddington is closed to electric trains. Electric trains have to use other tracks, and this may cause congestion in the area.
    Last Updated:06/02/2018 09:47


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on February 06, 2018, 11:42:57
    We've now reached page 166...

    ...maybe the whole thread should be cascaded to Bristol?

    (Dons tin hat and makes for the exit...)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on February 06, 2018, 13:00:33
    We'd probably only have to bring it back the following week when our new thread goes in for unexpected maintenance....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 06, 2018, 18:03:21
    Monday was a 4.5hr return commute from Maidenhead to Canary Wharf. I can’t wait to see what today offers me. Whatever it is GWR has exceeded themselves in the ‘delivering disappointment daily’ awards.

    As predicted it’s another shower-of-shit evening service. Building a Greater West tonight equates to shoving half of the TV on to a 3 car turbo stopping service.
    I’m seriously contemplating moving house to get away from Mark Hopwood’s lies and incompetence.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2018, 18:07:21
    We've now reached page 166...

    ...maybe the whole thread should be cascaded to Bristol?

    (Dons tin hat and makes for the exit...)

    The way things are going we'll have reached 387 soon.....no danger of this thread being shortformed, there are plenty of drivers but we might all be in for repairs before long. ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 06, 2018, 18:10:34
    Nobody seems to have noted that the Acton diveunder has been out of use for nearly two weeks now.  Apparently there is a problem with the integrity of the retaining walls.

    The blockwork covering up the piled foundations looks a bit thin to me: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/06/a-look-at-crossrails-critical-acton-dive-under/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Visoflex on February 06, 2018, 18:41:12
    Probably a victim of “Value Engineering” - where the value is engineered out in order to save money in the construction phase.  Only having to spend twice the difference in maintenance - but that’s someone else’s budget.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on February 07, 2018, 09:28:16
    We'd probably only have to bring it back the following week when our new thread goes in for unexpected maintenance....

    We could start a brand new 30-year old thread.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on February 07, 2018, 16:43:34
    Noticed a 387 in the bay at H&H when passing earlier, so guess it's fixed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 08:57:38
    You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 09:28:18
    You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.

    ..............agreed, but not just them to feel sorry for!

    Delays to services at London Paddington


    Due to a broken down train at London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/02.
    Customer Advice
    Due to a broken down train just outside of London Paddington, one of the lines that is used for trains to arrive and depart from the station is blocked. Trains are able to run on other lines however there may be congestion in the area as a result.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 09:59:24
    ............now pushed out until 1100


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 10:11:01
    Swansea train finally reached the platform at 09:50.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 11:30:07
    Doesn't get any better does it?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop. Some stations between London Paddington and Southall will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 08/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 11:32:52
    Points failure at Acton and the 10:22 to Hereford was trapped for 40 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on February 08, 2018, 12:14:45
    You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.
    Ouch :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 08, 2018, 13:33:03
    Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 16:49:53
    Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.

    Meanwhile, after providing the rescue loco, the sleeper stock reached Reading depot 138 minutes late...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 08, 2018, 17:47:09
    Meanwhile, after providing the rescue loco, the sleeper stock reached Reading depot 138 minutes late...

    Good job they don't use the passenger coaches for a VegEx at the London end.  Extra commuter trains in morning and evening peaks using loco and coaches anyone?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on February 08, 2018, 18:23:51
    Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.

    So... not an infrastructure problem, then.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Chris125 on February 15, 2018, 18:58:59
    Nobody seems to have noted that the Acton diveunder has been out of use for nearly two weeks now.  Apparently there is a problem with the integrity of the retaining walls.

    The blockwork covering up the piled foundations looks a bit thin to me: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/06/a-look-at-crossrails-critical-acton-dive-under/

    Damaged by a road-rail vehicle (RRV) apparently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 19, 2018, 19:52:39
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Southall trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough. Disruption is expected until 21:00 19/02.
    Impact: Train services between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop.
    Additional Information:
    A track circuit failure at Hanwell means trains have to run at reduced speed. Because of the number of trains running in the evening Peak, congestion may occur. To allow Network Rail engineers to work on the problem, trains will be unable to use one of the lines towards Hayes & Harlington for approximately 30 minutes. Customers are advised to travel via Hayes & Harlington or London Paddington.
    Services towards London Paddington and high speed services towards Reading, Oxford and the West are unaffected by this problem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 20, 2018, 16:03:25
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Didcot Parkway.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:00 20/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 21, 2018, 07:17:57
    Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
    Customer Advice:
    A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
    Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 21, 2018, 08:14:12
    Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
    Customer Advice:
    A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
    Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.


    Latest update


    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 10:30 21/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 21, 2018, 09:28:18
    Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
    Customer Advice:
    A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
    Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.

    Latest update

    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 10:30 21/02.

    Additional remedial repairs needed to be done which resulted in further delays between 8.15 & 9.15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 21, 2018, 12:25:16
    Seems now to be fixed - it was a broken rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 22, 2018, 14:03:02
    Quote
    Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:15 22/02.

    Last Updated:22/02/2018 13:59


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 22, 2018, 14:35:02
    Looks to be very disruptive, with huge queues building up on the relief lines (12 trains currently between Reading and Didcot, that's nearly every section occupied!) and no thinning out of services that I can see to help.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 22, 2018, 19:47:18
    Rats!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-43161164



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 22, 2018, 20:45:46
    Great Western Rodents.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on February 22, 2018, 21:25:47

    Rats' teeth are harder than iron, so it takes a lot to stop them.

    I read that in Australia 25kV polymer insulators were being eaten by wild parrots.

    Bring back the station cat.

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on February 22, 2018, 22:38:12
    I see a rat or two scuttling around every time I walk along the Ladygrove Loop foot path, in the banks on the northern side of the railway station at Didcot. For every one seen there will be plenty more about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on February 22, 2018, 23:29:15
    Wot no exploding rat?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on February 23, 2018, 16:45:08
    Wot no exploding rat?

    No they just burn go crispy during which process they turn to carbon which shorts out the signalling power ........................ its a perpetual problem on older type signalling schemes


    When rats get into lineside trough routes it an take ages to fined all the damage caused, they even like eating so called vermin proof cables  :-\


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 26, 2018, 17:26:24
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Basingstoke all lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:15 26/02.

    Lots of other problems across the wider network

    Now pushed back until 20:15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 27, 2018, 07:42:58
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 27/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 27, 2018, 08:40:12
    ....................who needs the "Beast from the East" to cause chaos?  >:(

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 27/02.

    Customer Advice
    Owing to signalling problems affecting the track which would normally carry the express services between Reading and London Paddington that line has had to be closed. All trains between Reading and London Paddington will therefore need to share the same line between Reading and Slough. As a result of this Twyford and Maidenhead stations will see a significant reduction in direct train services to Slough and London Paddington and Taplow and Burnham will have NO services towards Slough or London Paddington.

    Any customers at Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow & Burnham requiring stations towards Slough and London Paddington are advised to travel to READING and then return on an eastbound service. Similarly, any customers from Reading requiring Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow & Burnham may need to travel through to SLOUGH and then return by a westbound service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 27, 2018, 09:22:22
    Due to a points failure between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on February 27, 2018, 10:55:49
    The service rather had a meltdown this morning.. As from the previous post you can see they were advising Maidenhead and Twyford passengers to go to Reading to then go back towarfds London for stopping services... Even though the stopping services were running almost empty just not stopping at Twyford or Maidenhead.. ??? ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 27, 2018, 11:02:31

    The service rather had a meltdown this morning


    Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on February 27, 2018, 11:09:08

    The service rather had a meltdown this morning


    Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)

    Ha ha and exactly... It can only get worse as the week goes on...

    I think the person in charge of the trains this morning was probably having a quiet cry in the corner rather than actually trying to get the passengers for the local trains anywhere..

    The local train passengers were definitely forgotten this morning in their quest to get the long distance trains through


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on February 27, 2018, 11:47:16
    Reports state two inches of snow in Kent, so you cant expect a proper train service in the Thames Valley.
    We increasingly have a "fair weather only railway", they struggle a bit even in fair weather due to more trains than usual needing repairs, and the failure to engage enough staff to run timetabled services.
    So don't expect too much if it is cold, wet, windy, or hot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on February 28, 2018, 00:29:03

    The service rather had a meltdown this morning


    Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)

    Ha ha and exactly... It can only get worse as the week goes on...

    I think the person in charge of the trains this morning was probably having a quiet cry in the corner rather than actually trying to get the passengers for the local trains anywhere..

    The local train passengers were definitely forgotten this morning in their quest to get the long distance trains through
    That's normal for GWR. As soon as a line is lost anywhere between Paddington and Didcot Parkway it is the stopping services which have stops cancelled just so their precious fast trains aren't delayed by a few minutes ::) ::) ::) . Why should the Relief line services be cancelled when it was the Mains that had an issue on this occasion?

    Until yesterday (Tuesday) I was looking forward to TfL taking over the stopping services as I thought they'd be more stubborn at not removing stops for GWR's fast trains. But they gave up running services so easily on London Overground and TfL Rail on hearing about snow, and took ages to reinstate things once it was clear that there was no snow. And on Monday I had TfL Rail miss out two stations when the train was only 4 minutes late (only to gain 2 of those minutes), and there was no announcement on board. And I thought GWR's removal of the Southall stop at 7 minutes late without telling the station back in January was bad enough (train diverted to Up Main just before station, once again the thing about their beloved fast trains not being delayed comes into play).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 28, 2018, 09:47:26
    If you check the @TFLRail twitter feed, the service they run has serious faults being levelled at them already....be careful what you wish for.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 28, 2018, 09:58:48
    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/02.
    Customer Advice:
    A Heathrow Express train has failed on the fast line on the approaches to London. As a result and to ensure that High speed services into London are not delayed, these services are now running on the lines used by stopping services.
    To keep the lines clear for the high speed services, the GWR shuttle service between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington and also Heathrow Connect services are currently suspended.
    Train services are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    HEX is suspended. I lost 25 minutes routing around the affected service. The train manager said the HEX service was being affected by ice in the overheads but I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else.

    [ Problems now expected until 12:30 ]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on February 28, 2018, 17:43:46
    Only really an infrastructure problem in as much as the infrastructure wasn't available to be used as there was a broken-down train sitting on it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 09:18:14
    Doesn't bode well


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to severe weather between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 09:45 01/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DidcotPunter on March 01, 2018, 10:03:49
    Paddington closed from 8:00am this morning.

    High Speed services being turned round at Reading and Didcot, LTV services tipping out at Ealing Broadway. Loads of cancellations. Very glad I'm not travelling today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 01, 2018, 12:11:07
    A few platforms now open at Paddington.

    This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....Network Rail (NR) must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.

    GWR need to upgrade their website which couldn't cope with the number of enquiries it was getting though


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 12:20:53
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Following severe weather between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be reopened shortly.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 120 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:00 01/03.

    Customer Advice
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers between London Marylebone and Banbury via Princes Risborough and Oxford in both directions until further notice.
    Virgin Trains West Coast are conveying passengers between London Euston and Birmingham New Street in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    West Mkidlands Trains are conveying passengers between Birmingham New Street and Great Malvern in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Reading via Staines and Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Additional Information
    Local stopping services bewteen London Paddington and Reading
    We will be reintroducing our shuttle train service between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington.
    A limited train service will be introduced between London Paddington and Reading.

    High-speed services to/from London Paddington will start/terminate at Reading.
    XX:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington terminate at Reading.
    XX:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads start at Reading.
    XX:29 Swansea to London Paddington terminate at Reading.
    XX:45 London Paddington to Swansea to start at Reading.
    XX:03 London Paddington to Plymouth/Penzance start at Reading
    XX:21 London Paddington to Worcester, Great Malvern and Hereford start at Reading.
    XX:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central Suspended
    XX:51 London Paddington to Oxford Suspended
    XX:33 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa Suspended


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 12:37:45
    A few platforms now open at Paddington.

    This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....NR must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.

    GWR need to upgrade their website which couldn't cope with the number of enquiries it was getting though
    It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on March 01, 2018, 13:37:43
    It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.

    [/pedant mode on] black tarmac mastic asphalt surface [/pedant mode off]



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 13:49:34
    It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.

    [/pedant mode on] black tarmac mastic asphalt surface [/pedant mode off]


    Thanks ellendune, a much better way to describe it. Not pretty but less slippery.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 01, 2018, 18:14:26
    A few platforms now open at Paddington.

    This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....Network Rail (NR) must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.


    The type of flooring was not Network Rail (NR) choice, it was something forced on Railtrack by English Heritage.  EH wanted Lime Stone (the pavers at Padd are French Lime Stone  :o )  York Stone pavers were to expensive and to heavy (due to the thickness) plus it is not as hard wearing.  EH would not accept reconstituted stone, concrete, tarmac etc

    The slip hazard was highlighted at the time (1996 - 98)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 20:36:17
    Huge numbers of cancellations on routes tonight with no alternative road transport methods being arranged as they're apparently not safe.......what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?


    Cancellations to services on all routes
    Due to severe weather between Reading and Taunton:
    Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Apart from London & Thames Valley services in the London/Reading/Oxford area all trains on the Great Western Railway network are severely disrupted and a majority of services will be cancelled.
    The advice is not to travel.
    We will also be unable to use taxis or buses due to this severe weather event. Road conditions will not be safe for road transport to be used as an alternative and we advise you not to travel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 01, 2018, 21:31:59
    Huge numbers of cancellations on routes tonight with no alternative road transport methods being arranged as they're apparently not safe.......what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?


    Not certain that there is much that GWR CAN do.
    You wont often hear me stand up for GWR, but in this case the conditions are too bad for trains or replacement road transport.
    If people are stranded and merely uncomfortable, then that is one of the perils of travelling in severe weather.
    If people are in actual danger from cold or exposure, then reliance may have to be placed on the emergency services, the voluntary groups such as the Red Cross, or even the Armed forces.

    There is of course SOME help that GWR can offer, but it is very limited.
    Keep station waiting rooms or others areas open, lit and heated all night.
    Provide refreshments, when available.
    Allow reasonable use of railway telephones to the public to contact friends and family.
    Let people shelter on trains with the heating on, in the absence of other facilities.
    Arrange taxis WHEN SAFE for very local journeys such as to a nearby hotel.
    Offer to store luggage for those who decide to proceed on foot.

    I have little sympathy with "the railway" when they fail to respond effectively to a railway problem such as signalling failures and train breakdowns, and under such conditions they have often IMO failed to promptly secure buses and taxis.
    This weather though is affecting everything, buses and taxis included.
    Taxi from Taunton to Penzance ? no way under present conditions !
    Taxi from Taunton station to an hotel a mile or two away along treated roads ? Should certainly be considered.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 21:35:45
    ... what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?

    Excellent question.

    When we ran accommodation (hotel) - away from railway - it was nights like tonight where we got last minute custom that didn't fit the common metric, and where at times we bent normal policy to help people out. But that was very low volume.

    I would hope and expect that enough people have been put off making journeys tonight for the numbers having problems to be very few.

    [just noted broad gage's post when I submitter this ... broad agreement; different enough for me to let my post stand too]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 02, 2018, 09:31:31
    Is the website infrastructure? Certainly where I work we treat it as such.

    Anyway second (or possibly 3rd) day in a row I can't connect to it reliably enough to see what's happening. I'm guessing not a lot!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 12:21:45
    Is the website infrastructure? Certainly where I work we treat it as such.
    Anyway second (or possibly 3rd) day in a row I can't connect to it reliably enough to see what's happening. I'm guessing not a lot!

    The website is not infrastructure in the accepted railway sense of the word, it is however an important part of running a railway these days and really ought to work even at times of disruption.

    In my view, a much simplified version of the website to be available at times of significant disruption.

    Remove all the following from the simplified/emergency website.
    Adverts that basically say how wonderful GWR are.
    Other adverts that state things will be even better in the future.
    All references to or adverts for leisure travel.
    All pretty pictures, leaving only essential informative images.
    All references to great adventures !
    Any promotions.
    Adverts for placesthat you can visit by GWR train.
    Anything promoting or encouraging seat reservations, first class, or Pullman dining, since these facilities probably wont be available in any case, and certainly not reliably available.

    All that is needed under such conditions is a list of

    Routes that are closed
    Routes that are badly disrupted
    Routes that are less disrupted.
    List of cancellations.
    And other basic factual information.
    Such a website should be much quicker at times of exceptional demand.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2018, 15:23:28
    Not certain that there is much that GWR CAN do.
    You wont often hear me stand up for GWR, but in this case the conditions are too bad for trains or replacement road transport.
    If people are stranded and merely uncomfortable, then that is one of the perils of travelling in severe weather.
    If people are in actual danger from cold or exposure, then reliance may have to be placed on the emergency services, the voluntary groups such as the Red Cross, or even the Armed forces.

    There is of course SOME help that GWR can offer, but it is very limited.
    Keep station waiting rooms or others areas open, lit and heated all night.
    Provide refreshments, when available.
    Allow reasonable use of railway telephones to the public to contact friends and family.
    Let people shelter on trains with the heating on, in the absence of other facilities.
    Arrange taxis WHEN SAFE for very local journeys such as to a nearby hotel.
    Offer to store luggage for those who decide to proceed on foot.

    I have little sympathy with "the railway" when they fail to respond effectively to a railway problem such as signalling failures and train breakdowns, and under such conditions they have often IMO failed to promptly secure buses and taxis.
    This weather though is affecting everything, buses and taxis included.
    Taxi from Taunton to Penzance ? no way under present conditions !
    Taxi from Taunton station to an hotel a mile or two away along treated roads ? Should certainly be considered.

    ALL subject to the fact that staff don't live at stations any more & if not safe for them to travel/work, it would be acceptable (unfortunately) for these suggestions to not happen. Sorry, but staff welfare comes just as high as passengers in these situations. Its not the NHS.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 15:27:23
    I agree, my suggested actions were to illustrate that GWR could not do MUCH about the extreme weather disruption, but there were some rather limited actions that they COULD take, but of course subject to staff availability and safety.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2018, 15:34:29
    so *might* (be able to) take would be a better phrase?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 16:00:21
    so *might* (be able to) take would be a better phrase?

    YES


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 11:44:39
    .............it's a shame the delays don't melt away as fast as the snow did............


    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop. Some stations between Slough and Southall will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 06/03.
    Customer Advice
    The fast line from Reading to London Paddington is blocked between West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington, this is causing delays through the area as only 3 of the 4 rail lines are available.
    Train services will run non-stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington in both directions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 06, 2018, 12:34:42
    How dare they call it the 'Fast Line'.  Its the Main Line........ ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 06, 2018, 16:34:14
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Slough some lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 06/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 17:50:21
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Slough some lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 06/03.

    Suicidal pigeon or Tesco carrier bag?  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 06, 2018, 18:37:34
    No reports of exploding pigeon, so probably just a plastic bag.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 20:12:23
    ........every little helps 😩


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Interceptor on March 06, 2018, 20:45:15
    Back the day, I was on my first cab ride as part of my training to see what the railway was all about, in a class 86 from Carlisle to Preston. All going well and suddenly felt an unusual jolt and a lamp illuminated on the driver's console, no power being taken. So free wheeled for a good few miles and came to a halt. Driver got down. Looked up. A large black crow or remains of was wrapped around the pantograph. Raised and lowered the pantograph again a couple of times and it fell off and we were on our way again. I dare say that current monitoring/safety systems may not allow this perhaps but this was 1979.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 06, 2018, 22:19:51
    No reports of exploding pigeon, so probably just a plastic bag.

    Was a bit of rope apparently.  OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) staff delayed getting to the site by an accident on the M4.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 06, 2018, 22:38:54
    Back the day, I was on my first cab ride as part of my training to see what the railway was all about, in a class 86 from Carlisle to Preston. All going well and suddenly felt an unusual jolt and a lamp illuminated on the driver's console, no power being taken. So free wheeled for a good few miles and came to a halt. Driver got down. Looked up. A large black crow or remains of was wrapped around the pantograph. Raised and lowered the pantograph again a couple of times and it fell off and we were on our way again. I dare say that current monitoring/safety systems may not allow this perhaps but this was 1979.

    As you were soon on your way again, I presume that it was the crow or remains thereof that fell off, and not the pantograph !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on March 07, 2018, 20:19:32
    A bit of rope! In South Reading the local "lads" found that the most efficient way to disconnect some houses with an overhead supply was a length of dog chain (dog not attached, so couldn't be removed the same way as crows).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2018, 22:17:56
    ........so to recap.....the Infrastructure upon which the railways have spent billions of £ of taxpayers money and is (apparently) the future, can be brought to a screeching halt by.......a carrier bag, a dead pigeon........and/or a "bit of rope"......thank God the IETs can run on diesel.....🙈


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 08, 2018, 00:10:43
    That is indeed a big benefit of the IET’s.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 08, 2018, 09:03:24
    That is indeed a big benefit of the IET’s.

    "Intermediate Electric Trains" ? :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on March 08, 2018, 11:31:27
    Surely "Intermittent Electric Trains"?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on March 08, 2018, 11:48:16
    ........so to recap.....the Infrastructure upon which the railways have spent billions of £ of taxpayers money and is (apparently) the future, can be brought to a screeching halt by.......a carrier bag, a dead pigeon........and/or a "bit of rope"......thank God the IETs can run on diesel.....🙈


    Indeed, and whilst overhead line equipment is by its very nature always somewhat vulnerable to such items, I have a cynical suspicion that there is something about UK electrification equipment or operating procedures that renders it particularly vulnerable.
    After all, European railways are largely electrified and don't seem to suffer from these incidents as often as we do.

    A bit like the annual leaves on the line fiasco, Overseas railways suffer the odd delay caused by leaves, whilst ours degenerates into chaos.

    My now famous crystal ball forecast declining reliability due to electrification. In particular I forecast that ever growing safety rules and procedures would result in large areas of OHLE being isolated for relatively minor problems.

    And whilst the new IET can run on diesel, the new suburban units are pure electric. An IET can still be held behind an all electric suburban unit, each time an incident occurs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 08, 2018, 11:51:30
    And if they need access to the OHL equipment (such as to remove offending objects), that will still delay anything running on diesel too....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 11, 2018, 17:34:18
    And as a diversion from the chaos arising from lack of drivers:

    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough the line towards Slough is disrupted.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 11/03.

    Last Updated:11/03/2018 17:21


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 11, 2018, 20:25:41
    ...
    After all, European railways are largely electrified and don't seem to suffer from these incidents as often as we do.

    A bit like the annual leaves on the line fiasco, Overseas railways suffer the odd delay caused by leaves, whilst ours degenerates into chaos.
    ...

    Once again, I feel that the point has to be made that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. What seems not to happen may be happening after all, it's just that no-one's told you.

    With respect to leaves, SNCF put out very similar explanations to Network Rail (NR) (including leaflets) for the frequent delays and even cancellations due to leaf fall. For 2015 they published a figure of 1173 hours of delays, which doesn't sound huge but I've no idea what kind of delay attribution process recorded it. It's not hard to find twitter complaints saying things like "France - the country where you're trapped in a train because of dead leaves" as if it's one of their particularities.

    SNCF talk about putting repair shops up from two to three shifts to deal with wheel flats, and admit they are behind their neighbours in dealing with the issue. They have been buying more RTT trains, fitting ABS/WSP (not easy as a retro-fit), and trialling things like the adhesion gel used by Network Rail (NR). they claim to have largely solved the problem of "déshuntage" - loss of detection by track circuits - but that was not only due to leaves (the solution being to stop running single-car trains).

    On 10th November 2017 they even closed two lines - from Guéret to Montlucon and the branch to Felletin - for over two weeks (as announced) due to leaves. That was subject to "or until we get an RHT train in",  which I suspect happened sooner. Not that either is much of a service anyway: four a day each way to Montlucon, and two to Felletin. But even so, other trains have been stuck for hours on gradients on these minor lines.

    I suspect the same is true of OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE), noting that many other European networks are far more reliant on it than we are.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 11, 2018, 21:31:20
    Great fun getting the younger family members (students) back to Exeter from Newbury this evening.

    1648 from Newbury cancelled (not enough drivers)
    1848 delayed, then cancelled (due signalling problems "between London and Slough"), then revised again to delayed and turned up 50 mins down
    (actually surprised that they did manage to find a couple of seats as it was expectedly busy).

    When they said, "why don't we just go in the morning", I said "could do", then after a few secs realised there are no trains west (or in any other direction) from Newbury tomorrow.

    Just arrived in EXD 60 down. Long evening for those going all the way to PNZ.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 12, 2018, 16:56:39
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:45 12/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 12, 2018, 18:49:54
    Lasted all of 10mins, according to emails I received


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on March 15, 2018, 09:02:44
    A slight deviation from the main topic, ...........

    I took a trip on HS1 yesterday, taking a circular trip to Dover Priory - out via HS1 and back meandering around coast on third-rail. I was surprised how simple the HS1 metalwork is compared to the stuff on the GWR main line. I know we hear plenty about the wires coming down on the WCML and ECML, but I cannot recollect hearing anything about HS1.

    Can somebody with the knowledge explain why the metalwork in GWR land could not be as simple as HS1?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 15, 2018, 10:02:39
    Can somebody with the knowledge explain why the metalwork in GWR land could not be as simple as HS1?

    Before considering the OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) design per se, there is a big difference in what the wires have to do. HS1 is pretty much one track pair, once it gets out of the yard at Dollands Moor. It does have a few junctions and loops, and the stations at the London end are a bit fancier, but at Ashford the trackwork is simpler than a typical GWR station. So most of what you see should only be compared with a bit of plain twin-track GWR main line.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 16, 2018, 10:09:44
    Recently breaking news so no idea what actual impact will be but:

    Quote
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 16/03.

    Last Updated:16/03/2018 09:53

    and

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines are disrupted.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 16/03.

    Last Updated:16/03/2018 09:59


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 21, 2018, 15:34:16
    Quote
    Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/03.

    Last Updated:21/03/2018 15:26

    Not sure how serious it is or likely to be but the 14:21 Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street lost 24 minutes between Pangbourne and Moreton Cutting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 22, 2018, 09:01:46
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 22/03


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 22, 2018, 15:01:55
    Quote
    Alterations to services between Southall and West Drayton

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and West Drayton trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Slough.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Ealing Broadway and Slough. Disruption is expected until 16:00 22/03.

    Last Updated:22/03/2018 14:49

    As always, can't tell at this stage what the impact might be but there are a number of services 14-20 minutes late into Reading at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 23, 2018, 06:46:35
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead the line towards Maidenhead is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 23/03.
    Customer Advice:
    Services travelling towards Maidenhead unable to call at Burnham and Taplow stations. Services travelling towards Slough are running as normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 23, 2018, 07:00:36
    Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 23, 2018, 08:19:23
    Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.

    Not guilty, I recycle mine!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: trainer on March 23, 2018, 20:45:34
    Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.

    Not guilty, I recycle mine!

    Hence the 'Green' appellation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 27, 2018, 17:46:20
    From National Rail Enquiries. Nothing on JourneyCheck but a number of delays at Reading as I type:

    Quote
    An earlier fault with the signalling system at Reading is causing delays of up to 25 minutes and cancellations to journeys at this station. We anticipate a good service will be operating by 18:15.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 27, 2018, 17:47:39
    Axle counter failures at Reading West junction affecting access to and from platforms 3 to 7.  Most now resolved.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 27, 2018, 18:57:53
    3 & 7  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 28, 2018, 09:49:34
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 04, 2018, 09:15:28
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and Maidenhead:
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 06, 2018, 20:39:37
    Hello old friend :(

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 06/04.
    Last Updated:06/04/2018 20:10


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 09, 2018, 16:29:53
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Southall and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:30 09/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 09, 2018, 16:59:10
    Update:

    Quote
    Alterations to services at Ealing Broadway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Southall and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:20 09/04.
    Customer Advice
    Customers travelling from the Hayes/Southall direction to Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline should travel via London Paddington.
    Customers travelling from Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline to London Paddington should travel via Southall.
    Additional Information
    A track circuit failure in the Ealing Broadway area means one of the two lines into Paddington is closed. Trains have to use the one open line, and this limits the number of trains that can pass through.
    To reduce congestion, GWR stopping trains will not call at stations between Southall and London Paddington.
    The Heathrow Connect service is suspended.
    Last Updated:09/04/2018 16:55


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 10, 2018, 16:03:08
    Happened again today

    Quote
    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 16:30 10/04.
    Customer Advice
    GWR stopping trains will not call at stations between Southall and London Paddington.
    The Heathrow Connect service is suspended.
    Passengers travelling from the Hayes/Southall direction to Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline should travel via London Paddington.
    Passengers travelling from Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline to London Paddington should travel via Southall.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses are conveying passengers between Slough and London Paddington in that direction only until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Last Updated:10/04/2018 15:45


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2018, 17:28:32
    Seems to be getting worse.......

    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington all lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 10/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on April 10, 2018, 17:35:25
    Couldn’t happen at a worse time unless you are the film crew for Paddington 24/7.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 11, 2018, 11:00:46
    Hat trick now

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the railway between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:00 11/04.
    Customer Advice
    London Underground are accepting GWR tickets to Ealing Broadway and Acton stations via any reasonable routes.
    Further Information
    London Underground are accepting GWR tickets to Ealing Broadway and Acton stations via any reasonable routes.
    SWR are accepting GWR tickets between Reading and London Waterloo.
    Last Updated:11/04/2018 10:56


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on April 11, 2018, 15:24:53
    Has Journey Check gone wrong or something? Hardly any issues showing at the moment. Not even mention of half-functioning IETs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 13, 2018, 13:58:15
    Four days out of 5 this week ::)

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/04.
    Further Information
    GWR tickets are being accepted on London Underground services between Ealing Broadway/ Acton stations to/ from London Paddington.
    GWR tickets are also being accepted on London Bus routes between Hayes/ Ealing Broadway/ Acton to/ from Paddington.
    Last Updated:13/04/2018 12:56


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 15, 2018, 13:38:31
    5 days out of 7 there has been disruption on this section, although today's one is the most severe :o . Dewirement in the Hayes & Harlington area.

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 15/04.
    Last Updated:15/04/2018 13:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 16, 2018, 11:16:10
    In yesterday's case, the lines reopened quickly, so it turned out the issue was not serious and therefore there wasn't much disruption.

    Then this happens today:
    Quote
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:30 16/04.
    Last Updated:16/04/2018 10:59


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on April 16, 2018, 15:11:49
    Glad I'm not commuting any more!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 16, 2018, 20:04:59
    Delays to services between Slough and Twyford
    Due to a points failure between Slough and Twyford some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 16/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 17, 2018, 06:36:33
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and Slough some lines towards Slough are closed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 17/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sanfrandragon on April 17, 2018, 07:00:20
    Urgent engineering + problems with overhead lines


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 07:07:05
    Just back from Twyford station and didn't seem to be any trains running at the moment and no idea of when they'd restart.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 17, 2018, 07:11:52
    Maidenhead have managed to run one train out of 10. It’s magical.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 07:22:05
    The webpage is saying minor disruption with slight delays which didn't seem to be the case at a very crowded Twyford station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2018, 07:33:04
    From Twitter




     Sorry for the disruption this morning. There have been several problems, delays at the depot, urgent track repairs taking place and overhead line problems. Lewis


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 17, 2018, 07:40:06
    It took 8 minutes to wedge the entire content of Slough on to the delayed 6.32 which was already cosy.

    Maybe I’ll mention this at the next Meet the Manager session. Oh no, I can’t, they don’t exist.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2018, 10:34:14
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and London Paddington


    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Maidenhead and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:15 17/04.
    Customer Advice
    The power to overhead electric lines has been lost between Paddington and Maidenhead. Customers may use available TfL bus and underground services where possible.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on April 17, 2018, 10:38:56
    2P11 (0547 Didcot-Paddington) ground to a halt on the Up Main just outside Twyford this morning causing a queue of trains back past Reading. It was there in the first place because the Up Relief was closed (?track defect). This pretty much finished off the morning peak service which doesn't seem to have recovered.

    Looking forward to the journey home  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 11:21:22
    I gave up and went home and sounds like that was the right decision. Feel really sorry for people who don't have that option though from their employers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on April 17, 2018, 13:24:23
    And now this from JourneyCheck

    Quote
    Following an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington some lines are now open.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/04.

    Plastic sheeting has become caught in overhead cables in the Slough area. Technicians need to retrieve this, but until this can be take place (at approximately 13:00), stopping trains to/from Paddington will have to run at reduced speed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on April 18, 2018, 14:21:32
    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 18/04.

    Last Updated:18/04/2018 14:06

    As always, hard to gauge the impact but the 13:22 Paddington to Great Malvern has lost 15 minutes between Cholsey and the Moreton Cutting.

    [edit] - disruption now expected until 17:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 18, 2018, 15:43:08
    This has now been updated to read:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
    Customer Advice:
    Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
    Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
    Additional Information:
    GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on April 18, 2018, 16:51:05
    This has now been updated to read:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
    Customer Advice:
    Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
    Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
    Additional Information:
    GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.

    I was travelling from Oxford to Didcot and circulated via Reading; this wasn't a good idea as once I got to Reading there were no trains to Didcot and of course there is no other public transport from Reading to Didcot.
    When I got to Reading the stopping services were cancelled and the first fast service diverted via Newbury, the 2nd they refused to stop at Didcot although it was stopping at Swindon. I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 18, 2018, 22:00:22
    This has now been updated to read:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
    Customer Advice:
    Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
    Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
    Additional Information:
    GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.

    I was travelling from Oxford to Didcot and circulated via Reading; this wasn't a good idea as once I got to Reading there were no trains to Didcot and of course there is no other public transport from Reading to Didcot.
    When I got to Reading the stopping services were cancelled and the first fast service diverted via Newbury, the 2nd they refused to stop at Didcot although it was stopping at Swindon. I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.

    And that example is why I hate certain stations automatically being missed during loss of some lines between Paddington and Didcot Parkway. Always delay the local passengers by 30+ minutes just so their precious fast long distance trains are not delayed by even a single digit number of minutes, rather than trying to keep all the passengers moving in some way.

    I was quite lucky back in January (the last time I was caught up in GWML disruption), as it was only a 30-40 minute delay for me. The usual 6tph at Southall had gone down to 2tph (as Heathrow Connect and GWR Hayes & Harlington shorts were cancelled). Then one of the trains actually running skipped the station at 7 minutes late with no warning at all, just to prevent delaying a Heathrow Express train >:( . The following train was on time and luckily it actually stopped on the Up Main, with a really good TfL Rail station staff member managing to convince the driver to wait for everyone to get over the footbridge. I'm lucky I can easily take a different route in disruption, and really feel for everyone who has to wait an unknown amount of time because their station is not considered important enough (including a station with over 2.5 million passengers per year in my case...)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on April 18, 2018, 22:32:53
    I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.

    You were on the same one as me then - I came back from Bury St Edmunds and everything was perfect, on time, working aircon, no issues at all. Then got to Reading and they suddenly changed to Not In Service (no announcements) - couple of us got off and found the driver and he had no idea what was going on, just been told to go to the depot.

    I went and stood at the staff display watching one train after another queuing up at the signals on the main and relief lines towards Didcot. From the recent post about headcodes on here, I could tell they were all the highspeed services as they were all 1XXX, I think there was a 5XXX and a 6XXX (freight)?

    So yet again the high speed services (which couldn't go anywhere) were given priority at the expense of the locals (who would have been stopping anyway) who all got dumped in the depot.

    Then comes the announcement for all local station passengers to make their way from platform 12 to platform 8/9 where there was a cross country to Manchester (I think) sitting there going no where, then all of a sudden another announcement for us all to run back to platform 12.

    Eventually did the last 15 minutes of my 4 hour trip in 90 minutes. Welcome home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 19, 2018, 07:43:03
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on April 19, 2018, 10:20:31
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.

    Disruption now expected until 13:00

    plus

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 19/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on April 19, 2018, 11:28:01
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.

    Disruption now expected until 13:00

    plus

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 19/04.

    This looks worse than yesterday as the following services  from Oxford to Didcot Parkway have been cancelled:

    0937, 1005, 1037, 1107 and 1137 so assuming the 1207 runs then that is no service for 3 hours.

    Nothing on gwr.com or twitter about what passengers should do?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on April 19, 2018, 13:45:58
    Disruption between Didcot and Oxford now expected until 14:30 but seems to be extended by an hour every hour.

    The problems between Reading and Didcot are back:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway:

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 19/04.

    And now, because it's a warm day:

    Quote
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 19/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 19, 2018, 14:08:19
    Normal working resumed at 13:46 so after reactionary delays are recovered all should be fine shortly - certainly well in time for the afternoon peak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 19, 2018, 19:58:22
    Yet more issues ::) >:(

    Quote
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:00 19/04.
    Last Updated:19/04/2018 19:25

    Delays to services between Dorking Deepdene and Redhill
    Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Dorking Deepdene and Redhill trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:30 19/04.
    Last Updated:19/04/2018 19:25


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 20, 2018, 07:31:51
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Guildford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Guildford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 20/04.
    Last Updated:20/04/2018 06:54


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 09:27:43
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:15 20/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on April 20, 2018, 11:27:57
    This whole thread goes to show that  a reliable railway would lead to a punctual railway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 11:50:31
    Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 20/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on April 20, 2018, 13:38:09
    Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 20/04.

    That would be at Steventon then!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 14:13:19
    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Hayes & Harlington some lines towards London Paddington are disrupted.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 20/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 16:03:35
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:30 20/04.
    Impact:
    Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington.

    [ Plus all of the earlier above ]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on April 20, 2018, 16:32:07
    I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
    So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

    I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2018, 16:35:20
    I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
    So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

    I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.



    Same every year isn't it? (albeit a bit earlier this year)

    There seems to be so little resilience within any aspect of the railway, it's incredibly fragile, be it infrastructure, trains or personnel.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on April 20, 2018, 17:12:19
    I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
    So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

    I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.

    Has there been a lot of track work there?  If so have they not destressed* the rail yet thinking they were ok for a few more weeks?

    *This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.
     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on April 21, 2018, 10:01:33
    This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.

    27°C


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 24, 2018, 10:43:00
    Has there been a lot of track work there?  If so have they not destressed* the rail yet thinking they were ok for a few more weeks?

    *This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.

    This I reckon is exactly it. Probably programmed to take place before the 'summer' starts. They were almost record temperatures for April.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 25, 2018, 08:25:11
    Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 25/04.

    Customer Advice

    Trains from the Reading direction, travelling towards London Paddington, are unable to call at Taplow or Burnham. Customers travelling from these stations towards Slough & London are advised to catch a train service to Maidenhead and change there, where train services towards Slough (and beyond) are available. Customers travelling to Taplow or Burnham from Maidenhead, or stations West thereof will need to travel through to Slough and then back by a Reading bound train service from there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on April 26, 2018, 10:30:24
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 26/04.
    Customer Advice
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Last Updated:26/04/2018 10:16


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on April 26, 2018, 12:18:11
    Crawled through Southall on an up IET at around 1045, looked like down trains were crawling also.

    Still arrived on-time at PAD, 30 mins from Reading including a scheduled Slough stop.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 26, 2018, 13:15:20
    Looks like an intra-day fix is in progress:

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines towards Slough are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 15:00 26/04.
    Customer Advice:
    Selected GWR services will serve Hanwell and West Ealing.
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 26, 2018, 13:49:16
    Some now reopened already


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on April 26, 2018, 18:25:12
    Not sure what happened exactly but by the time I was at Paddington at 4.30pm there were delays and a total lack of information (no surprise there then!)... They announced that the 4.49 PAD to MAI was delayed as it was late from the depot on it's inward journey.. This was in fact made up as it left Reading traincare depot early... sigh...  ::) :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 26, 2018, 19:44:54
    Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on April 26, 2018, 19:49:42
    It arrived at Maidenhead 25 minutes late (not bad for a 20 minute journey) so I'm not surprised!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on April 26, 2018, 21:00:07
    Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train

    Considering it arrived Twyford 28 late, with the next shuttle scheduled for just 8 minutes later*, I really don't see why the connection off the 16:49 would be held or the need to complain about it.

    * Departed 6 minutes later than planned to maintain connection off the 17:18 off Pad


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 27, 2018, 03:27:58
    Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train

    Considering it arrived Twyford 28 late, with the next shuttle scheduled for just 8 minutes later*, I really don't see why the connection off the 16:49 would be held or the need to complain about it.

    * Departed 6 minutes later than planned to maintain connection off the 17:18 off Pad

    It does illustrate, though, how a railway industry measured "maximum 28 minutes late" can result in a passenger delay of (considerably) more - in this case a 36 minute late arrival for passengers at their destination.

    I can find you examples that are much worse - such as 10 minutes delay turning into 2 hours late, though not in the Thames Valley where train frequency leads to less of a knock-on, but for people who are (perhaps) more noticed by the powers that be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on April 27, 2018, 09:54:34
    There's been lots of TV examples that I've been caught up in.

    Delays from Paddington mean missing the Reading - Didcot stopper. Then you find the next one is cancelled or will run fast to Didcot. This injects a 1 hour delay into a 1 hour journey.

    Even in the peak it's not uncommon to be 45 minutes late where services are running just a little late.

    Late evening is even worse where if the order of trains is swapped by the signaller you end up with an hours wait at Reading (gotta love the footbridge).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 27, 2018, 10:04:55
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 27/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:53:31
    Now pushed out to 1145.

    Nothing stopping London bound at West Drayton or Hayes & Harlington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 01, 2018, 07:41:03
    Delays to services at London Paddington


    Due to a points failure at London Paddington:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 01/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on May 01, 2018, 08:20:14
    Delays to services at London Paddington


    Due to a points failure at London Paddington:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 01/05.

    Delays & disruption timings now extended:

    Quote
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 01/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on May 02, 2018, 08:50:28
    Extensive delays and cancellations in the Thames Valley this morning due to trespassers at Didcot.  Ironically the 07.10 Maidenhead to Paddington (which was one of the few that ran) arrived with blood smeared all over the front of it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jmc85 on May 02, 2018, 09:11:43
    I was on the 0605 from Charlbury, got delayed at Oxford - the guard said someone had climbed a signalling gantry in an apparent suicide attempt (just beyond Oxford). Believe all was resolved without injury and I made it to Paddington with a 15 minute delay


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 02, 2018, 11:41:10
    Extensive delays and cancellations in the Thames Valley this morning due to trespassers at Didcot.  Ironically the 07.10 Maidenhead to Paddington (which was one of the few that ran) arrived with blood smeared all over the front of it.

    I saw that at Twyford this morning. Was quite disturbing. I wondered if it had been a bird strike?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 02, 2018, 11:49:29
    Almost certainly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 03, 2018, 17:47:34
    Harry's stag night started already?


    Cancellations to services at Windsor & Eton Central


    Due to overcrowding at Windsor & Eton Central all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 03/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2018, 17:25:31
    ...........on the Friday before a bank holiday weekend.........Lord Have Mercy!

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


    Due to trespassers on the railway between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 04/05. :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on May 04, 2018, 17:47:59
    Perhaps it's Harry's stag-party returning from Windsor...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on May 05, 2018, 22:37:57
    ...........on the Friday before a bank holiday weekend.........Lord Have Mercy!

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


    Due to trespassers on the railway between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 04/05. :(
    I got caught up in that yesterday. I could have easily gone another way but decided to take a chance because "surely it can't be that bad?" ::) . There turned out to be a 34 minute gap in departure for stopping services: After the 2R59 1742 London Paddington to Reading left at 1745, the next one to leave was the 2T62 1803 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport at 1819! I got to the station at 1805 and the 2R60 1759 London Paddington to Reading (which is a 5-car 165 remember) was still there, with no driver for it! Just as I got to P14 for 2R60 the unit for 2T62 arrived in P11, and luckily for me it stopped right at the country end of the platform by the footbridge as the rest of the platform was occupied by an 8-car 387 from an earlier cancelled service. So I easily got a seat ;D but those waiting at the main concourse had to walk far. 2R60 left right after it at 1821.

    That combined with the first bus home from the station at Southall being too full meant that it took a few minutes longer to go home this way than my preferred option of using SWR from Waterloo to Hounslow, when usually that route takes some 15-30 minutes longer but is way more reliable. And I was in time for the only fast train of the day in this direction, which takes 25 minutes instead of the usual 38-43 minutes. So my attempt to save time actually took longer in the end :( :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 08, 2018, 07:50:51
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Further Information
    A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location yesterday. This is the line which is traversed by the fast / semi fast services between Reading and London Paddington. As a result fewer trains will be able to operate over that section of line and certain services which would normally call at Slough will have that stop withdrawn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 09, 2018, 06:38:09
    Same again today........it's 9 degrees outside.

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a speed restriction between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Further Information
    A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location on Monday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 09, 2018, 07:10:30
    Same again today........it's 9 degrees outside.

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a speed restriction between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Further Information
    A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location on Monday.

    It’s a newly laid section of track which was done over the weekend. Originally it was planned to be a 50mph temporary speed restriction. Because of the high temperatures when the work was done the speed has been lowered to 20mph


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on May 09, 2018, 08:07:36
    How long would such a restriction be expected to last? Is it days or weeks?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 09, 2018, 08:28:19
    How long would such a restriction be expected to last? Is it days or weeks?

    Probably a few days at 20mph, then it’ll probably be raised to something like 50mph.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 05:55:28

    Welcome to the new week!

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 14, 2018, 06:12:16

    Welcome to the new week!

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.

    Hattrick weekend

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    Alterations to services between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads some lines are closed.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 14/05.

    Quote
    Alterations to services between Weymouth and Dorchester West
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Weymouth and Dorchester West all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    And a 4 day Newbury blockade starts today... Pewsey, Bedwyn, Hungerford, Newbury, Thatcham and intermediate stations have no trains until Friday morning, and TransWilts trains slashed - less that 40% of scheduled services set to run.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on May 14, 2018, 06:36:50

    Welcome to the new week!

    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.

    SNAP, so too between Parkway and Temple Meads already caused cancellation of early services to London, stock running to Swindon and starting from there and now Weston Services to London starting at Temple Meads now engineering works cleared, lets hope there are no engineering works trolleys left on the line today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 14, 2018, 06:40:15
    Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 14, 2018, 07:12:06
    Boarding a Paddington bound train at Reading was unpleasant. There were plenty who couldn't get on and the next Paddington service is cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 09:20:25
    Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty

    Wasn't nice was it? Apparently Reading was pretty horrific too  >:(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on May 14, 2018, 12:56:35
    And no HConn to / from Heathrow. Go by 140 bus from Hayes is the option. Huh - got to get to Hayes first though. Haven't seen any HEX running either. The Airport Branch seems to be well closed today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 13:53:38
    HEx running twice per hour instead of four times per hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 14:46:11
    All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 14, 2018, 15:22:00
    Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty

    Wasn't nice was it? Apparently Reading was pretty horrific too  >:(


    Nope. I got the 7.56am departure in the end.. We left people behind at Hayes and Southall.. We spent a good 5 minutes sat outside Ealing Broadway which wasn't ideal in the conditions.. The train took an hour and four minutes which is impressive for 25 odd miles even by GWRs standard..

    I can't wait for my journey home


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 15:33:48

    All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

    Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 16:51:17

    All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

    Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

    "Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on May 14, 2018, 18:07:21
    What exactly has overrun and caused these problems? Should I read anything in to the fact that Paddington this evening only contains High Speed Train's (HST)s and Turbos?  Another misplaced carrier bag by a contractor per chance?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on May 14, 2018, 18:17:08

    All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

    Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

    "Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.

    Now 05:00 tomorrow morning. What odds another disrupted morning rush hour?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 14, 2018, 18:33:56
    So far as I can tell every fast service to Maidenhead and Twyford was cancelled. Got a load of texts about 4.30 saying that various trains after 5.30 were cancelled so rushed out the office only get to Paddington to discover earlier services now cancelled. Still its all fine now according to the website although a very angry girlfriend at Paddington seems to diagree.

    More wonderful incident management and comms from our favourite train company.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 18:44:34
    So far as I can tell every fast service to Maidenhead and Twyford was cancelled. Got a load of texts about 4.30 saying that various trains after 5.30 were cancelled so rushed out the office only get to Paddington to discover earlier services now cancelled. Still its all fine now according to the website although a very angry girlfriend at Paddington seems to diagree.

    More wonderful incident management and comms from our favourite train company.

    .......would that train company be the Rail Business of the year by any chance? 🤔


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 14, 2018, 20:46:47

    All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

    Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

    "Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.

    Now 05:00 tomorrow morning. What odds another disrupted morning rush hour?

    There’s also now a cracked rail in the Maidenhead area. A 20mph emergency speed imposed on London bound services travelling on the up main..... to be rectified overnight..... hopefully

    The overrun at Paddington was reportedly caused by “sickness and a lack of familiarity“. Looks like the planned works were late starting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 14, 2018, 21:53:49
    Four journeys today, two local, two HST. All full and standing in first and standard , three were shortfomed. Both local services were 2 not 3. One HST was 5 not 10. Generally unpleasant.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 23:13:00
    Maybe Mr Hopwood will be at Paddington tomorrow morning, greeting customers with a cheery smile, handshake & donut as they arrive an hour late, sweaty & crushed?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on May 15, 2018, 00:32:37
    Last update 2143 with no change to timescales. Will the 0500 reopening be met in the morning? :-\ In any case my brother isn't taking chances and will be travelling from Hounslow to Reading tomorrow morning instead of from Southall for his university exam. The first time in the academic year he is having to go that way, and doing so doubles the journey time (both the train and having to get to Hounslow Station in the first place). My mum also happens to have an appointment at St Mary's Hospital at 0850, so I really hope things are fine in the morning (leaving extra early just in case because of the disruption and also due to a local road closure in Southall causing extra traffic). She's not a confident traveller as she rarely uses public transport of any sort, let alone the mess known as GWR and the GWML. As for me? My plan was to use SWR from Hounslow to Waterloo anyway as I am lucky to have that alternative route without incurring that much of a time penalty, and gives the bonus of avoiding the Bakerloo Line ;D

    The line block itself seems to be east of Ealing Broadway, so why are GWR stating Hayes & Harlington? Although that's nothing new as they've been doing it for the last year or so now. All day they didn't update the vague message, not even a hint of being open about what went wrong. And there was no apology from either them or Network Rail on their website or on Twitter. Just shows what a disgusting state of affairs we have on the GWML >:(

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 05:00 15/05.
    Customer Advice
    Owing to engineering work not being finished on time some of the lines between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington station are not available for use which will require a significant number of train service alterations.
    Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Last Updated:14/05/2018 21:43


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 05:21:53

    The line block itself seems to be east of Ealing Broadway, so why are GWR stating Hayes & Harlington? Although that's nothing new as they've been doing it for the last year or so now. All day they didn't update the vague message, not even a hint of being open about what went wrong. And there was no apology from either them or Network Rail on their website or on Twitter. Just shows what a disgusting state of affairs we have on the GWML >:(


    The initial engineering possession was from Ladbroke Grove to Southall East junction

    All lines appear to be open this morning into Paddington. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 10:18:41
    A speed restriction over defective track in the Acton Main Line area is causing delays to services to and from London Paddington. As a result of this, trains may be delayed by up to 20 minutes.

    This is expected to continue until approximately 11:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on May 15, 2018, 10:19:50
    Even later than that now

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
    Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 10:53:25
    Tinpot railway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on May 15, 2018, 11:17:03
    Even later than that now

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
    Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12

    And later still now:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 13:00 15/05

    And guess what:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/05


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on May 15, 2018, 13:47:56
    Tinpot railway.

    No - its the "Tin Lizzie Line" - a figment of the imagination. All they have to do is paint the Yellow-brick Road on the sleepers and the illusion will be complete. Like the new TfL tickets machines that can't actually issue tickets. And they call all of that an improvement!!

    BTW heard a great moan this a.m. at Hayes & Harlington. There were a bevy of MTR / Crassrail staff at platform 4 checking tickets. One was moaning that yesterday he'd driven into Station Parade to turn round and been photographed for a trespass fine by the High Point Village security 'goons.'


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on May 15, 2018, 14:42:54
    Even later than that now

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
    Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12

    And later still now:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 13:00 15/05

    And guess what:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/05

    The Oxford semi-fasts are shown as cancelled through to 2050, as well as many of this week's fast Theale services. Combined with the level crossing incident causing the cancellation of some of the longer distance services, it's going to be another nightmare at Paddington for the peak return.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 14:49:12
    The cynic in me can't help thinking they managed to do a bodge job on the tracks yesterday so they could claim that the overrunning engineering works had finally finished knowing full well that they'd then need to do some "urgent track repairs" today once morning peak was over.... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 15:13:52
    Indeed  >:(

    Disruption to and from London Paddington expected until 20:00

    A speed restriction over defective track in the Acton Main Line area is causing delays to services to and from London Paddington. As a result of this, trains may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or cancelled.

    Heathrow Connect is currently suspended.

    This is expected to continue until the end of the day.

    Additional information:
    Network Rail staff are currently investigating the problem, which means some lines are currently closed. Congestion is likely to build up as a result of this.


    Edit: Now until end of day


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 15, 2018, 15:14:35
    I don't know how they can have all these problems now. On Paddington 24/7 last night, they had great delight in flying around in their track inspection helicopter with their super-duper high-power camera so that all these infrastructure problems can be caught in advance.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 15:22:02
    To be fair they were at Paddington last night filming the great rush of people when a train was announced in all the mayhem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 15:37:14
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Train services in out and of Paddington will suffer delays for the rest of the day due to the necessity of carrying-out repairs to a heat-buckled rail. Two out of four railway lines are available for use. All stations are being served by train, with the exception of Acton Main Line. Customers travellling to and from this TfL station are requested to use alternative TfL services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 15:56:54
    Looks like tonight's commute home is going to be as fun as yesterday's.. I feel so lucky


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 16:18:22
    Due to a points failure between Reading and Basingstoke the line is closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:15 15/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 16:49:42
    Delays to services between Reading and Theale


    Due to a points failure between Reading and Theale the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:15 15/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 17:23:04
    Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 15, 2018, 17:23:32
    It wont be that bad, because according to the GWR website there are only "minor disruptions".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 15, 2018, 17:27:41
    Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

    One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
    In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 17:31:56
    It wont be that bad, because according to the GWR website there are only "minor disruptions".


    If 60 minutes is minor lets hope we don't have major disruptions ever then  ::) ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 15, 2018, 18:29:49
    I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 18:38:01
    I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?

    Those fast services were cancelled long before 1630, certainly the 1749 & 1819 were gone before 1530.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 15, 2018, 18:48:25
    I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?

    Those fast services were cancelled long before 1630, certainly the 1749 & 1819 were gone before 1530.

    Well that ruins that theory then  :)  Guess i've just been unlucky with the alerts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on May 15, 2018, 19:18:21
    The 18.59 driver this evening was particularly witty in his announcement outside Acton, inviting any passengers with an engineering or operations background to submit a CV to ‘runtherailwayproperly.com’! When staff morale is that low it says a lot! On the other hand, the humour makes the inevitable delay a smidge better...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 19:35:34
    Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

    One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
    In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.

    Quote from GWR is that there is no acceptance via Waterloo/Marylebone  because "although there are cancellations there are still services running" (out of Paddington) - seems to suggest a change in policy during times of mass disruption?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 15, 2018, 20:31:26
    The 18.59 driver this evening was particularly witty in his announcement outside Acton, inviting any passengers with an engineering or operations background to submit a CV to ‘runtherailwayproperly.com’! When staff morale is that low it says a lot! On the other hand, the humour makes the inevitable delay a smidge better...
    I’m sure that driver is one of many who feels that way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: mjones on May 15, 2018, 21:21:49
    Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

    One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
    In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.

    Quote from GWR is that there is no acceptance via Waterloo/Marylebone  because "although there are cancellations there are still services running" (out of Paddington) - seems to suggest a change in policy during times of mass disruption?

    But aren't a lot of tickets already valid via Waterloo and Reading? I've travelled back to Didcot that way without difficulty more than once, using a Travel card. I actually checked the online Routing Guide, and it looked valid,  as far as I could understand it anyway!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on May 15, 2018, 21:53:39
    Maybe SWR and Chiltern don't want to attempt to deal with hoards of diverted people seemingly every day unless there really isn't a going alternative. A number of the Chiltern services to Oxford were short of a carriage today as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 22:20:38
    The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on May 15, 2018, 22:27:07
    The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

    Shouldn't have buckled in these temperatures - unless it was a lot hotter there.  Is this because the rail had not been destressed after engineering works?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 22:29:52
    The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

    Really? What is classified as "high temperatures?" It's been pleasantly warm over the last few days but barely into the 20s. Is this just the usual lack of resilience? God knows what it'll be like in "flaming" June/July if it really gets hot.....presumably the whole system will just liquify?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 22:40:09
    The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

    Really? What is classified as "high temperatures?" It's been pleasantly warm over the last few days but barely into the 20s. Is this just the usual lack of resilience? God knows what it'll be like in "flaming" June/July if it really gets hot.....presumably the whole system will just liquify?

    Air temperature and rail temperature are two different things. You can have air temperatures in the 20s but if the rail is in direct sunlight the temperature can reach well into the 30s.
    Having read a bit more, the section of track already had a temporary speed restriction over it so it might not entirely be heat related.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 16, 2018, 05:46:53
    The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 16/05.

    Emegency Engineering Overun by 3 hours. Line expected to be handed back at 09:00 on Wed 16th.

    Well that was predictable.  Contingency plan 2 remains in place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 16, 2018, 06:23:26
    Now 10am.

    Third day in a row for long suffering Thames Valley commuters.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 16, 2018, 06:42:29
    Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 16, 2018, 06:45:18
    They might be best to just give up and declare a void week... Another horrible commute coming up.. Most Mai to pad services are cancelled again


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on May 16, 2018, 07:03:36
    This morning the station dispatcher at maidenhead decided to encourage us all into the stopper at 6.59 from Furze Platt. Bit disappointed on checking the app to discover this won’t get in to Paddington until 7.45am but even the delayed 7.06am is due in by 7.35am.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 16, 2018, 07:09:45
    Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....

    Broken down train. Now Reading is congested due to poor service regulation as a result of that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: chemphys on May 16, 2018, 07:58:14
    There were about 20 - 30 orange jackets, mostly on the embankment, and 2 engineering trains by Acton Main Line when I went past at about 6:30 this morning. At least that's more than I've seen in the past 2 days.

    Hoping they get it resolved today. I really don't need 3 consecutive days of cramped and sweaty journey home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on May 16, 2018, 08:06:23
    Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....

    Broken down train. Now Reading is congested due to poor service regulation as a result of that.

    Yep driver apologised on the 0628 when it eventually arrived at 0701 - he was blocked in so couldn't go anywhere.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 16, 2018, 09:04:05
    1100 now.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 09:16:04
    Journeycheck is showing the 1250 Paddington-Oxford service starting short at Reading, so 1100 isn't at all realistic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 11:01:24
    Up and Down main now open again at Acton


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 16, 2018, 11:07:57
    This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on May 16, 2018, 11:30:30
    Up and Down main now open again at Acton

    .... and clear of engineering trolleys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 16, 2018, 14:16:47
    This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1

    Lot of angry season ticket holders in that Tweet. My partner is in the process of being made redundant so won't be renewing but can't claim anything. Its not a great system really.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on May 16, 2018, 14:37:50
    This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1

    Lot of angry season ticket holders in that Tweet. My partner is in the process of being made redundant so won't be renewing but can't claim anything. Its not a great system really.

    Tell your partner to claim compensation and if / when it is refused send a letter before action and then a small claims court case claiming discrimination against a customer who did not renew / is not renewing season ticket.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 16, 2018, 16:41:08
    I had the same problem when I retired in 2005 was due compensation for poor punctuality for my previous annual ticket. I claimed but didn't get anything. Should have followed it up.

    Wonder how many millions TOCs have saved by not paying out when you don't renew?

    I still very glad I'm not commuting although 2005 was bad, in hindsight it seems nowhere near as bad as currently.

    Used to reckon over 5 late 2 out 10 journeys in the week usually coming home. Especially when you wanted to go out afterwards!

    Now it seems you are lucky to get to and from Padd


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 19:08:05
    Whatever was done today clearly wasn't sufficient. There's 5 Hayes/Reading stopping services late this evening cancelled due to "urgent repairs to the track".



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 16, 2018, 21:24:09
    From journeycheck..

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Two of the four lines between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway will be closed from 21:00hrs to enable Network Rail to fix a buckled rail.
    Last Updated:16/05/2018 20:55


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on May 16, 2018, 21:55:47
    Paddington/Ealing Broadway to Southall has a gap of… 1 HOUR 45 MINUTES this evening! :o :o >:( a station with over 2.5 million passengers per year! Now that the 2142 has left Paddington, the next train is at 2327. The 2203, 2227, 2233, 2303 and 2312 are all cancelled. The 2210 and 2259 from Paddington are running but they don't call at Southall normally and they will not stopping there additionally either. >:(

    Even the three stations east of Reading with less than 300,000 passengers per year have a better service this evening Acton Main Line has the 2259. Iver has the 2210 and 2259 (2227 cancelled). While Taplow has buses from Slough due to engineering work. The other station with less than a million passengers per year is Langley and that has the same service level as Iver.

    Edit: Screenshots of GWR JourneyCheck attached


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 17, 2018, 09:12:18
    Interesting that the stations with the poorest service are all now run by TFL!



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 17, 2018, 09:16:59
    Interesting that the stations with the poorest service are all now run by TFL!



    I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

    Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 17, 2018, 09:32:05
    Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!

    Both high enough to go over overhead catenary too?   Please send one 100 miles west - I know someone who would like one of them  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 17, 2018, 10:12:19
    I would even give them a hand to put it up !😉


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2018, 10:55:51
    I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

    Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D

    Quite a contrast to CJB666’s opinions of TfL.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on May 17, 2018, 13:59:24
    I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

    Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D

    Quite a contrast to CJB666’s opinions of TfL.

    Taplow isn't a building site - Hayes has been and still is for years.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 17, 2018, 16:02:48
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Swindon.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 17/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2018, 06:35:21
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Twyford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Twyford fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 18/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 21, 2018, 10:29:14
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Southall fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 11:30 21/05.
    Impact: Train services between Slough and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 22, 2018, 06:36:39
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:14:33
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact:
     Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

    Since virtually every service in both directions is cancelled until (as I write this) the 0948, that's not really terribly helpful. Taxi for me, bill to GWR.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 08:22:14
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

    Overhead line section has tripped and will not reset. Cause unknown.  An inspection team commenced walking the 4 mile section to try and locate the issue at 0700. Will take about 2 hours to walk it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:30:38
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

    Overhead line section has tripped and will not reset. Cause unknown.  An inspection team commenced walking the 4 mile section to try and locate the issue at 0700. Will take about 2 hours to walk it.

    Well, they've got a nice morning for it anyway.

    Welcome to the brave new world of electrification!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 08:56:29
    I went down to the station at Maidenhead as usual earlier. I'm back home now. Very few trains were running and the two I saw leave in the half hour I was there were very crowded..I decided I didn't want to join in with the "fun" today.. There was also very little information..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:57:42
    Nothing stopping in either direction at Burnham or Taplow until after 1030 is the latest update.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2018, 09:20:15
    Now 3pm. Not good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 09:40:59
    Now 3pm. Not good.

    Issue with an insulator. Quite a big job that is difficult to fix during the day as they need to get machinery out to the area which is hard when trains are still running.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on May 22, 2018, 09:47:25
    Issue with an insulator.

    Well at least it'll still be under warranty...  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 10:51:07
    Now 3pm. Not good.

    GWR help to a Burnham customer......"Network Rail expect to have it fixed by tomorrow".

    Doesn't bode well for the rest of today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 22, 2018, 11:19:38
    Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

    As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 11:28:52
    Now 3pm. Not good.

    My decision to not travel into London when I saw the chaos was a good one then! Could be a repeat performance this evening at this rate..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 11:30:17
    End of the day now!

    From Journeycheck:

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 11:34:21
    End of the day now!

    From Journeycheck:

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    The relief lines are expected to close between 1130 and 1500.  The up main towards London will be blocked to electric traction only and will be running at reduced speed, basically signal to signal to protect engineers working.

    Stopping services will run as 8-car electrics from Padd to Slough.
    In the other direction, services will terminate at Maidenhead.
    Buses ordered between Slough and Maidenhead


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2018, 13:51:58
    The latest update on journey check making it very clear who is responsible:

    Quote
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are closed.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    Network Rail, who own the railway infrastructure, and are responsible for its upkeep, are currently fixing the damaged overhead cables in the Maidenhead area. As a consequence, the train service between Reading and Paddington is severely depleted, and has been reduced to a shuttle service between Reading and Maidenhead, and also between Slough and London Paddington. The stations between Slough and Maidenhead can only be served by local buses.
    First Bus route 13: Slough (Bus Station Bay 12) Burnham (Station), First Bus route 4: Maidenhead (Town Centre Stop S2) - Taplow (Bath Rd) - Burnham (Everitts Corner) - Slough (Bus Station Bay 4) and London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. TfL London Buses: are accepting tickets on any reasonable route between Slough and Central London.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 14:05:38
    Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

    As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OHLE failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

    I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

    I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 14:09:54
    Network Rail confident of a 1500 hand back. There’s currently a scaffolding tower erected to enable repairs to the damaged insulator.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: M.T. Vessel on May 22, 2018, 15:03:03
    And there was me thinking "There goes the neighbourhood" when I heard four what sounded like gunshots... When those things go they don't do it quietly. (Well, they might, but not last night)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 15:10:00
    Welcome to the forum M.T. Vessel Hopefully you'll find some useful information and advice on here


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 15:16:41
    Network Rail confident of a 1500 hand back. There’s currently a scaffolding tower erected to enable repairs to the damaged insulator.


    Now 15:30 but workers and equipment are clear on the track.  Let's hope it all works ok when re-energised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 15:31:36
    Normal working resumed at 15:24, though as ever displaced stock and crews will no doubt impact on the evening peak to some degree.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 22, 2018, 15:36:09
    In connection with this incident I found this on the Nataional Rail Website.

    Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham, from the London direction, are advised to change at Reading and then catch local First Bus services onwards.

    Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling in either direction- towards Paddington OR Reading- are advised to use local First Bus services on which their rail tickets will be valid.

    There are no First buses from Reading  to Maidenhead and Slough

    There is the First No 4 every 30 minutes from Slough to Maidenhead along the A4. There are also other buses from Slough which go by Burnham station. It is a fair walk from Taplow to the bus stop outside Tescos and it's a dodge the traffic walk at  a Maidenhead.

    Also the First No 4 is not to be confused with the Courtney Bus No 4 which shares the Frascati Way terminus.

    They say  computerised Information Systems make it easier, They've forgotten GIGO. Roll on AI we'll all get jobs sorting out the mess.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 16:24:04
    Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

    As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OHLE failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

    I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

    I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    That's probably a fair point (notwithstanding pigeons and plastic bags) but I think it illustrates that when something does go "pop" it has the potential to do so big time, and relying on a group of people going for a lengthy walk in order to find the source is a little concerning and brings resilience/robustness into question.

    It also of course comes against a recent backdrop of fairly major disruption due "urgent repairs to the track", heat related damage in what could charitably be called pretty moderate temperatures, as well as the usual signalling issues on the infrastructure side, so the public are going to tend to be less forgiving, without even going near all the non infrastructure issues around brand new trains falling over and lack of crew etc.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 22, 2018, 18:28:24
    With all the problems today, I'd assumed they were using these new rail replacement services, as seen outside Reading depot this evening

    (https://preview.ibb.co/eEWD1T/WP_20180522_17_25_35_Pro.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ku2aFo)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on May 23, 2018, 10:27:58
    That must be a pretty dangerous coach, to be fenced off like that  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 23, 2018, 11:08:06
    That must be a pretty dangerous coach, to be fenced off like that  ;D

    Perhaps it is a top secret hydrogen powered unit :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 23, 2018, 16:24:31
    Due to a safety inspection of the track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading. Disruption is expected until 19:45 23/05.
    Impact: Train services between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on May 23, 2018, 16:30:12
    Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

    As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

    I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

    I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    This particular failure, of a defective insulator may indeed be as rare you suggest. However OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) issues causing significant delays seem to occur most weeks.

    Edit: VickiS- Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on May 23, 2018, 20:38:10
    Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

    As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

    I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

    I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    This particular failure, of a defective insulator may indeed be as rare you suggest. However OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) issues causing significant delays seem to occur most weeks.


    I was shown some photos of the offending insulator today.  It was type that holds both the registration arm and supports the catenary.

    It has a glass reinforced plastic (GRP) centre core with a polymeric shed set on the outside with metal fixtures at each end, the insulator was split longitudinally from meat fixture to metal fixture, there is quite a lot of mechanical and electrical stress on these insulators.

    Its not understood yet what casued it to fail, it will be sent away for "post mortum" and if its felt nessesary others in the same batch will be recovered from the system and sent away analisiys.


    Faults like this are not just consighned to the "oh well s#!t happens" investigations are done and if its felt its a bad batch they will be replaced.


    Actual OverHead-Line Equiment (OHLE) component failures Nationally are actually quite rare, I know I see the incident data and reports for actual equipment failures

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 24, 2018, 10:42:54
    This from earlier today shows GWR performance figures
    http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/27759/passenger-freight-performance-2017-18-q4.pdf.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 25, 2018, 09:42:19
    Freddie Starr ate my track...

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
    Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 25, 2018, 09:52:12
    Broken rail on the down relief at Hanwell Viaduct.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2018, 09:58:37
    A very poor month so far.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2018, 12:40:26
    Freddie Starr ate my track...

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
    Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Now 1600, fantastic for the Bank holiday getaway, luckily I'm not relying on GWR today but went past Taplow earlier and every service in both directions was showing "cancelled". I'm told it's not much better now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on May 25, 2018, 15:08:32
    Freddie Starr ate my track...

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
    Customer Advice:
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Now 1600, fantastic for the Bank holiday getaway, luckily I'm not relying on GWR today but went past Taplow earlier and every service in both directions was showing "cancelled". I'm told it's not much better now.

    Basically its half hourly service Didcot - Padd calling additionally at Taplow and Burnham; however the CIS is not showing the additional stops


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 07:39:57
    A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

    Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 07:53:29
    A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

    Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00

    What a relief that West Country trains can be (and are being) diverted between Reading and Westbury via Swindon.  Pity there's a long stretch of single track on that diversionary route ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 08:19:14
    A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

    Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00

    What a relief that West Country trains can be (and are being) diverted between Reading and Westbury via Swindon.  Pity there's a long stretch of single track on that diversionary route ...

    With the inevitable effect on second class trains that people in Wiltshire now rely on

    Quote
    09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:32
    09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:32 will be cancelled.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

    Quote
    10:47 Swindon to Westbury due 11:28
    10:47 Swindon to Westbury due 11:28 will be cancelled.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

    So after the 07:33 train from Westbury, next service remaining (at present) is 11:47.  After the 08:53 from Swindon, next service is 12:49.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RA on May 31, 2018, 08:33:32
    I would expect the 08:53 service from Swindon to be diverted via Bathampton to avoid the single line.  :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 08:39:55
    I would expect the 08:53 service from Swindon to be diverted via Bathampton to avoid the single line.  :(

    Ah yes ...

    Quote
    08:53 Swindon to Westbury due 09:41
    08:53 Swindon to Westbury due 09:41 will be diverted between Chippenham and Trowbridge.
    It will no longer call at Melksham.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
    Last Updated:31/05/2018 07:58

    So that's a gap from 06:36 to 13:14 at Melksham, with both the 09:18 and 11:12 not calling


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 31, 2018, 09:41:12
    Line appears to be open now


    Edit, trains appear to be struggling to get past Woolhampton LC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 09:52:43
    I'm glad I didn't wait for my usual connection, 130 mins late  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 31, 2018, 12:18:41
    Midgham level crossing (at Woolhampton) did continue to have problems but a "reboot" solved them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 16:03:56
    Trivial compared to the bad weather disruption on Swindon routes currently showing.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Basingstoke trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Basingstoke.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 31/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 31, 2018, 17:07:16
    Trivial compared to the bad weather disruption on Swindon routes currently showing.


    Indeed. Good luck to anyone attempting to get to Bristol/Wales/Devon/Cornwall this afternoon/evening.

    I note from at least one of the updates that no alternative road transport will be provided - what are people to do?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on May 31, 2018, 18:32:19
    From the bbc news article about the impending weather:

    “Great Western Railway trains, which serves south Wales, and southern and western England, will run more slowly than usual”

    I know what they are trying to say but the choice of words did make me giggle.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 31, 2018, 19:15:20
    I note from at least one of the updates that no alternative road transport will be provided - what are people to do?

    Supposed to be rail replacement buses through Swindon after 8.15 tonight due to planned engineering work.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on May 31, 2018, 22:10:50
    Pictures of flooding in the station at Didcot Parkway this evening: https://twitter.com/wilselwood/status/1002291682740760576 (https://twitter.com/wilselwood/status/1002291682740760576)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on May 31, 2018, 23:18:26
    In Didcot there was around two hours of almost continuous heavy to torrential rain from around 7:30, on top of shorter heavy bursts in the previous two hours. My satellite reception was completely knocked out for the worst parts.

    A picture seen elsewhere of the passage to the platforms:

    (https://i.gyazo.com/9e0898126a6de47128dbcf2ebd49641f.png)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on June 01, 2018, 07:18:51
    Maybe unsurprisingly considering the above, the lifts are not working this morning at Didcot. Reported that the peak flood was around a foot high.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 01, 2018, 07:44:46
    Is this related to the weather / flooding?

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Worcester Shrub Hill trains have to run at reduced speed.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 01/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on June 01, 2018, 08:03:53
    Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds certainly was hit by torrential rain and flash floods, above pictures prove it. However, the Met Office amber warning was for too wide an area with many places to the south of the area of storm activity seeing little to no rain. This led to Network Rail imposing speed restrictions over a wide area of the Western region causing delays and cancellations for many for something that didn’t happen.

    I know I’m going to cop flack for what I’ve written by at least one individual on this forum but that was poor forecasting that caused delays and inconvenience to many. What happened at Didcot would have been covered under a yellow warning, flash flooding in a small area. If then, like what happened in the Midlands on Sunday, the storms start to gang up and sit in a concentrated area, then issue an Amber warning for the area where the intense activity is taking place and where it’s heading towards.

    Warnings are good, but if you keep issuing them and little to nothing happens then they start to be ignored. For the past six days I’ve been under yellow and amber warnings only to witness a bit of heavy rain overnight.

    And as for the media hyperbole everytime the Met issue a yellow warning... don’t get me started.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: red cuillen on June 01, 2018, 09:38:12
    I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on June 01, 2018, 09:53:44
    Was there two hours before and started raining at around 17:05


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 01, 2018, 10:07:48
    I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?

    They do not take their day to day forecast from public warnings. They receive tailored forecasts from the Met Office. The public warnings we see are based on the warnings issued to individual local authorities and other public utilities including Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, Highways England, Network Rail, water companies, electricity distribution companies etc.  These bodies have in addition personal contacts so that they can talk directly to a forecaster familiar with their area.  The Environment Agency have some control rooms with permanent Met Office staff in place to work with hydrologists to produce flood forecasts.  

    Unfortunately the type of rainfall we are experiencing at the moment is extremely difficult to forecast.  If you read the reports of flooding you will hear often of severe flooding in one place and only drizzle in another place nearby.  

    The Boscastle flooding of 2004 was not forecast for this reason.  Now computer technology has made it possible to forecast the likelihood better but not the location with the same accuracy - hence the blanket warning.

    The warnings are used by the authorities to do what it says - be prepared - so Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales flood management control rooms were staffed up, local authorities put staff on stand-by to deal with any consequences.  All sorts of actions were going on in the background.

    And there was flooding in the Orange area and local authorities and the Environment Agency took action where it occurred to deal with the consequences. There was flooding in Gloucester, Oxford, in Herefordshire and at Didcot Station. The Environment Agency monitored river levels through the night and issued flood warnings (as I write there is still one in force for the Lambourn Valley in Berkshire).

    All these behind the scenes actions took place because the warnings were issued.  

    Contrast the 1953 coastal flooding where 300 people were killed who could have been saved by appropriate warnings (as the floods moved down the coast quite slowly from north to South), but there was no system for warning anyone else and no one was monitoring the flooding nationally to see the pattern and make a forecast.

    Whether Network Rail should have put a blanket speed restriction on - I am not able to judge.  But there are more to these warnings than we, the public see.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 01, 2018, 17:57:22
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:30 01/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 01, 2018, 19:40:27
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Bourne End
    Due to a broken down train between Maidenhead and Bourne End the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 21:00 01/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 07, 2018, 19:35:06
    Following a fault with the signalling system at Oxford some lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 20:00 07/06.
    Impact:
    Train services between Oxford and Reading may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 08, 2018, 07:27:42
    A fault with the signalling system near Swindon is causing disruption to trains through this station.

    As a result, services may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    Disruption is expected to continue until 09:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2018, 08:47:52
    Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead
    Due to a broken down train between Twyford and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 20/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 20, 2018, 18:43:25
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on June 20, 2018, 19:31:26
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/06.

    Axle counter failure between Maidenhead and Twyford affecting trains on the down relief, also a points failure between Old Oak and Paddington


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on June 20, 2018, 22:27:59
    Quote
    Axle counter failure between Maidenhead and Twyford affecting trains on the down relief

    I was on the 1819 (12-car 387) PAD-DID this evening from PAD as far as RDG, and observed a couple of trains at stand on the DR between Maidenhead and Twyford, presumably as a result of this.

    When I got to the train about 10 mins before departure it was announced it wouldn't be stopping at Maidenhead or Twyford "due to an earlier fault", so cue lots of disgruntled pax getting off or expressing frustration at the gateline.

    For me, it was nice to get a non-stop ride down the DM at full chat in a 387.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on June 21, 2018, 13:14:06
    And wasn't the 18.19 empty with no Maidenhead nor Twyford Peeps ?
    Lots of fresh air being carried around on that one.
    It didn't help in that the next fast was also cancelled so the next fast ended up being the 18.49.

    At least the Platform Pub did well yesterday evening ... ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on June 26, 2018, 15:31:44
    It seems that GWR are quite happy to give detailed descriptions of reasons for delays when its not their own fault...(and yes, I know its not Thames Valley; I was using it as an example!):
    Quote
    Due to an issue with the signalling system between Bristol Temple Meads and Parson Street drivers must speak to the signaller at three signals before passing them. This will cause trains through the affected area to run slower than normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 27, 2018, 07:46:12
    Following a points failure between Twyford and Reading all lines towards Reading have now reopened.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 27, 2018, 09:43:07
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon
     
    Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Swindon all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 10:30 27/06.
    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon may be cancelled, delayed or diverted between Reading and Bath Spa. Didcot Parkway, Swindon and Chippenham will not be served.

    Last Updated:27/06/2018 09:31


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: drenahmeti22 on June 27, 2018, 13:47:39
    Axle counters (RD)VY & (RD)WB on the down relief line at Moreton Cutting are showing failed after passage of 4V31, 0753 London Gateway Freightliner to Bristol Freightliner.
    This holds SB903 and SB847 at danger.
    Reset has been unsuccessful.

    (Due to an axle counter failure at Moreton Cutting the line is affected.)

    Impact:
    Train services may be delayed.

    This incident will continue until further notice.

    Moreton Cutting has been horrendous this week, practically continous failures there!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 27, 2018, 17:34:46
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:45 27/06.
    Customer Advice:
    Trains from London Paddington towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at stations between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton.
    Customers travelling from these stations towards Slough/Reading are advised to catch a train to Ealing Broadway and change there, where services towards West Drayton (and onwards) are available.
    Customers travelling from London Paddington to stations between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton. should travel West Drayon and change there, where train services for intermediate stations back towards London Paddington will be available.


    Currently crawling out of Paddington. Another wretched day. My morning local service was cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 27, 2018, 18:34:44
    I was at Ealing Broadway and it was bloody dangerous. At the very last minute it was announced that there would be a stopper leaving from Platform 1 rather than 3...…….needless to say there was a stampede and a mass of bodies on the stairs.

    There didn't appear to be any, or at least sufficent competent staff around to manage the situation and the train left with hordes of people still making their way up and down the stairs, including some who were trying to "circulate"for West Drayton via Ealing due to the signal failures. That staircase is much narrower that the one for Platform 3 and it could have been a very serious situation if people had taken a tumble.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2018, 16:27:43
    ....to add to the general joy today.....

    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:45 01/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 01, 2018, 22:07:11
    ....to add to the general joy today.....

    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:45 01/07.

    Seems they’ve had several issues with electric trains detecting damage to the overheads and dropping the pantograph (ADD activations) in a couple of locations between Reading and Paddington. NR unable to fault. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 01, 2018, 22:13:49
    Overall the infrastructure and service seems to have held up pretty well during this prolonged period of warm weather.  Not perfect by any means but not the regular complete collapse we’ve seen in recent years.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 03, 2018, 10:27:01
    Alterations to services at London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington some lines are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 03/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 03, 2018, 10:58:58
    Disruption is expected until 10:45 03/07.

    And we know what's coming...

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 12:45 03/07.

    further info:

    Quote
    Owing to a fault with the signalling system on the approach to London Paddington station some lines have had to be closed which limits the number of train movements that can be accommodated. As a result a number of routes will see a reduction in the frequency of services until such time as the fault has been rectified.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 03, 2018, 11:37:11
    GWR Twitter stating that they expect it to be all clear by 1300......I'm assuming that'll be today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 04, 2018, 09:10:53
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 04, 2018, 09:40:43
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/07.

    And inevitably:

    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/07.
    Last Updated:04/07/2018 09:35


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 09:44:27
    Line 2 has been shut in the Down direction since yesterday morning (03/07/2018) due to a fault with SN83 signal and now Line 3 is shut in both directions due to a track circuit failure (04/07/2018).  There has also been an ongoing fault with SN105 signal on Line 1 at Ladbroke Grove which means it can only be cleared on approach. It was chaos last time I looked at the OTT Maps.... :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 13:58:35
    Problems still ongoing at 1400 (04/07/2018).  Not looking good for the evening peak :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on July 04, 2018, 14:03:30
    I was at H&H this a.m. at about 11.30

    Lots of trains cancelled. Nice to see that John McDonnell the Shadow Chancellor was there too. As local MP (H&H Lab.) he too has to put up with all of the disruption we mortals have to endure.

    However all the TfL staff at H&H seem to want to do is to ensure that Pax touch in / out.

    Next time I will ask them why I should touch in when so many trains are cancelled. If I touch in and then find that there's no trains and decide to go down to Feltham I'll incur a Penalty Fare.

    BTW I've thought of a ruse. We are constantly nagged that if we see "something unusual" we should report it to the BTP. That is "See It, Say It, Sorted." I wonder what would happen if I reported an unusual event such as the arrival of a TfL or GWR train on time, with seats to spare, and stopping at the advertised stations?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 14:03:58
    Now another track circuit failure on the E&C flyover at OOC!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 04, 2018, 14:37:13
    Just breaking:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines towards Oxford are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/07.
    Last Updated:04/07/2018 14:29

    [edit] - so far nothing seems to have moved for about 40 minutes


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on July 04, 2018, 15:24:31
    Just breaking:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines towards Oxford are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/07.
    Last Updated:04/07/2018 14:29

    [edit] - so far nothing seems to have moved for about 40 minutes
    Well I hope its resolved before I go home as otherwise there will be a lot of even more pi**ed off Oxford-Didcot commuters as yesterday the 1707 was cancelled, for the 3rd time in 5 days, and the next train the 1735 left 25 minutes late.
    Normally I would be not looking forward to the 2 week break in service that starts next week due to the Oxford upgrade, but this year it feels more like a welcome break.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 15:53:34
    Track circuit failure on Line 3 at Paddington fixed now (04/07/2018).  Other problems still ongoing.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2018, 16:23:19
    The inevitable Friday afternoon chaos begins.......Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines towards Reading are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 06/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 16:38:50
    Indeed, in it rolls...

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and Basingstoke trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Basingstoke.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 06, 2018, 16:42:21
    One at Slough and one at Ladbroke Grove.

    Slough now resolved while Ladbroke Grove fixed in one position until repairs can be made overnight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2018, 16:44:50
    The Paddington to Ealing Broadway problem was resolved very quickly (within 10 minutes) with minimal reactionary delays to recover and the Basingstoke one was due to a track defect at Mortimer with trains now restricted to 20mph over it, so again not particularity disruptive fortunately.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 16:49:06
    Basingstoke <-> Reading can barely keep to the current peak timetable as it is, trains are often dropped out because the inbound slips until it's easier to skip one.

    Edit: yup 2J53 canned due to inbound 2J50 20 mins late. Now the next service will be overloaded in this heat.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 18:08:53
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on July 06, 2018, 19:06:30
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Following a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway all lines towards Reading are now open.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 19:15 06/07.
    Customer Advice
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Last Updated:06/07/2018 18:57


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on July 06, 2018, 23:03:11
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.
    Disruption continued well after 19.30. A GWR all stations from Paddington left from platform 3 packed to the gunnels. Many did not touch in - you can't at platform 3. But the gateline staff were getting pi$$ed when pax pushed through.

    30 mins later an HCon from Paddington left platform 12 again packed, leaving many on the platform some with suitcases.

    No announcements as to the disruption. No Hcon staff / managers visible. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 09, 2018, 07:26:47
    Due to a points failure at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on some lines. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/07.
    Impact:
    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 09, 2018, 12:40:09
    Quote
    Due to a safety inspection on a train between Didcot Parkway and Swindon some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:00 09/07.

    Customer Advice
    Our Control Room have received reports of a fire alarm sounding on a train between Didcot and Swindon. Response teams are on site investigating. Only one of the two lines normally available can be used between Didcot and Swindon, so congestion will occur


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2018, 12:55:10
    Normal working resumed between Didcot and Swindon after the issue with the fire bells sounding on a High Speed Train (HST) (again!).  Original train delayed by over an hour but at least the reversible signalling came in handy as trains were able to be routed round it, albeit with delays.

    A timely example of how having such signalling, currently being commissioned between Didcot and Oxford of course, can be a real help in such situations - even if not used very often.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 11, 2018, 08:00:43
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 09:30 11/07.
    Impact:
    Train services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway may be delayed by up to 15 minutes


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 11, 2018, 10:59:53
    Normal working resumed between Didcot and Swindon after the issue with the fire bells sounding on a HST (again!).  Original train delayed by over an hour but at least the reversible signalling came in handy as trains were able to be routed round it, albeit with delays.

    A timely example of how having such signalling, currently being commissioned between Didcot and Oxford of course, can be a real help in such situations - even if not used very often.

    The reversible signalling through the Vale of the White Horse also comes in quite useful when some forms of engineering work are taking place in the late evenings.  Quite often my train has been signalled onto the up line between Didcot and Swindon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 17, 2018, 08:46:47
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:45 17/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 17, 2018, 11:02:17
    Update;

    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Ealing Broadway will not be served. Disruption is expected until 12:30 17/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 17, 2018, 12:48:30
    2nd update:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Ealing Broadway will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 17/07.
    Customer Advice:
    Following repairs to the initial fault with signalling cables, a second unrelated fault has now occurred in the area meaning 2 of the 4 tracks are affected.
    Thames Valley stopping services will be revised in both directions.
    Passengers wishing to travel from Slough, Reading and stations further west to Ealing Broadway should travel to London Paddington and circulate for stopping services to Ealing Broadway.
    London Underground are conveying passengers between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2018, 06:34:25
    Alterations to services at Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:30 18/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 18, 2018, 16:03:25
    Due to a points failure between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:30 18/07.
    Impact:
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or diverted.
    Customer Advice:
    London-bound fast line is blocked between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington. Long Distance / High Speed services will be diverted via the Slow line between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 18, 2018, 16:35:50
    Due to a points failure between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:30 18/07.
    Impact:
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or diverted.
    Customer Advice:
    London-bound fast line is blocked between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington. Long Distance / High Speed services will be diverted via the Slow line between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.

    Because of major disruption this afternoon at Waterloo there's currently acceptance for SWR tickets on GWR but I wonder if that'll now be withdrawn?

    (and in other travel-related news, apparently Heathrow is currently on stop due to a fire alert at air traffic control...)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 18, 2018, 17:34:45
    ... Slow line ...

    ??  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2018, 17:41:33

    Is there a fast one?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 19, 2018, 10:38:32

    No

    Obviously someone not versed in GWR (1923) terminology.

    Main and Reliefs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 19, 2018, 15:28:01
    ....and GOODS..... :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Western Enterprise on July 20, 2018, 10:42:16

    No

    Obviously someone not versed in GWR (1923) terminology.

    Main and Reliefs.

    Must be a LNER interloper..... ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 22, 2018, 16:39:38
    Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

    We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 22, 2018, 17:02:41
    Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

    We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(

    Quote
    14:14 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35
    14:14 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35 has been previously delayed and is now 17 minutes late from Frome.
    This is due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 23, 2018, 15:55:04
    Indeed:

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on July 23, 2018, 16:48:27
    Indeed:

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.

    Isn’t this the age old problem of it being fresh track layed over the last couple of weeks? Always a pain regardless.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 23, 2018, 17:13:53
    An official "level 3 or amber" heatwave alert has been issued covering the South east of England.

    This warns that "action is required" though the actions that most of us can take are rather limited. I do not normally carry drinking water when away from home, but would so during a heat wave warning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 23, 2018, 18:23:12
    Indeed:

    Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.

    Isn’t this the age old problem of it being fresh track layed over the last couple of weeks? Always a pain regardless.

    Indeed it is.  Basically a 50mph Temporary Speed Restriction throughout much of the area has been reduced further to 20mph.  No more than 3-4 minutes delay as a direct result of that, though or course reactionary delays increased that a little for some services.  I would expect similar restrictions until the end of the week given the hot weather.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2018, 06:23:13
    Same 20mph heat restriction today, but from 13:00-18:00 so three hours less in length.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 24, 2018, 07:33:25
    The one thing that concerns the Track Engineer at this time of the year is CRT (Critical Rail Temperature)

    They will design the track to be stable over a wide range of temperatures normally expected in the UK, the nominal ambient is 20 deg C and that is what they stress the CWR (continuously weld rail) too.  Factors that effect it are curves and the cant, normal line speed, S&C etc.  What can impact on the CRT is where the ballast shoulder has been disturbed, new track that has not been fully tamped, condition of the ballast perhaps where it has not been renewed etc.

    In the relatively (to the UK) extream tempratures we are expierencing at the moment each of the Route Track Eng, local PWay managers and the NR Ops teams will be holding regular teleconference through the day to make the judgement call on ESR's they will always default the side of being safe.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 02, 2018, 15:19:58
    Not looking good at Oxford at the moment:

    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines. Disruption is expected until 17:30 02/08.

    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

    Train services between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

    Train services between Banbury and Oxford have been suspended. Banbury, Kings Sutton, Heyford and Tackley will not be served.

    It's not clear what the issue is but there are some significant delays and cancellations, with CrossCountry northbound services also affected by a broken down train.

    (edit) Bit more info from CrossCountry Journeycheck:

    Quote
    Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 15:27:52
    A problem with the phone system means every crossing - including farm ones - between Didcot and Banbury have had to be locked out of use before trains could run again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 02, 2018, 17:47:19
    Not sure about the impact though there seems to be a lot running late through Reading at present, but, for the record:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Following a fire on a train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines have now reopened.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 02/08.

    Customer Advice
    London-bound fast line remains blocked, but Didcot-bound lines have reopened.
    Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:35

    and

    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading. Disruption is expected until 19:30 02/08.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.

    Additional Information
    Customers travelling to Burnham or Taplow are advised to travel through to Maidenhead and change at Maidenhead for services back to Taplow and Burnham.

    Customers travelling from Taplow or Burnham should take the first available service to Slough and change at Slough to travel West.
    Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:40


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 17:54:07
    Not sure about the impact though there seems to be a lot running late through Reading at present, but, for the record:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Following a fire on a train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines have now reopened.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 02/08.

    Customer Advice
    London-bound fast line remains blocked, but Didcot-bound lines have reopened.
    Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:35

    There is a slight Cotswold connection charles_uk.  Small fire on power car 43053 University of Worcester.  Train now reached Reading - but I don't think it will be going any further.....

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/1a24.png)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on August 02, 2018, 19:13:32
    I've just been keeping an eye on the OTT maps in the Twyford area and I noticed something a little strange just now as the attached screenshot shows. 1C25 (18.00 PAD-BRI) and 1R06 (17.57 PAD-RDG) were held on the DR while 1K93 (18.03 PAD-THE) was routed via the UR to call at P4. While all this was happening, 1A27 (17.10 WSM-PAD) was later held for a few minutes on the UM at Twyford West. This all seems to be something of a kerfuffle which caused further delay to already late trains (1C25 went from being 27L to 41L according to RTT). Presumably this was done to benefit connecting Henley Branch passengers but why hold so many other trains while the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on August 02, 2018, 19:26:50
    I've just been keeping an eye on the OTT maps in the Twyford area and I noticed something a little strange just now as the attached screenshot shows. 1C25 (18.00 PAD-BRI) and 1R06 (17.57 PAD-RDG) were held on the DR while 1K93 (18.03 PAD-THE) was routed via the UR to call at P4. While all this was happening, 1A27 (17.10 WSM-PAD) was later held for a few minutes on the UM at Twyford West. This all seems to be something of a kerfuffle which caused further delay to already late trains (1C25 went from being 27L to 41L according to RTT). Presumably this was done to benefit connecting Henley Branch passengers but why hold so many other trains while the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West?

    FIRE onboard a powercar of 1A24 I understand from an earlier post from bobm causing disruption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 19:29:49
    Fire was on a London-bound train - 1A24 the 16:00 ex-Bristol Temple Meads.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on August 02, 2018, 19:32:53
    Fire was on a London-bound train - 1A24 the 16:00 ex-Bristol Temple Meads.

    Yea, got my C and A mixed, correcting post.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on August 02, 2018, 19:38:01
    I was just making the point that it seemed strange that the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West. I'd have thought that 1K93 could have just been routed as far as P4, then once the other 2 or 3 trains were out of the way the route could have been set onward to the DM at Twyford West. Presumably this is some sort of quirk of the new signalling system at TVSC?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 03, 2018, 13:30:17
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Theale
    Due to a points failure between Reading and Theale all lines are closed.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 14:00 03/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 07, 2018, 21:18:54
    Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

    We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(

    Another surprisingly good couple of weeks generally as the latest warm period in this lovely summer draws to a close.  A lot to be critical of within the railway industry at the moment, but the infrastructure has by and large held up much better than usual.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2018, 07:04:23
    Cancellations to services at London Paddington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on August 08, 2018, 07:55:37
    Cancellations to services at London Paddington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.

    Platform 9 is closed due to defective longitudinal timbers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 08, 2018, 08:32:57
    Cancellations to services at London Paddington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.

    Platform 9 is closed due to defective longitudinal timbers.

    Once again the infrastructure controller not understanding the condition of its assets?........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on August 08, 2018, 22:47:00
    Yea, got my C and A mixed, correcting post.

    I'm told that can bring tears to the eyes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on August 16, 2018, 11:42:19
    Looks like a problem with the signalling system just north of Oxford station.
    http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/199137.aspx (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/199137.aspx)

    A fault with the signalling system at Oxford is causing disruption to trains at this station. Trains may be delayed by up to 45 minutes, cancelled or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 13:00.

    Hopefully its not the new signalling system, but looks quite serious as nothing moving at Oxford station on GWR, XC or Chiltern.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2018, 14:14:43
    Axel counter failure, the first I’ve heard about since the signalling was commissioned.  Repairs hampered by traffic on the Botley Road delaying technicians!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 18, 2018, 17:40:15
    For the second time this month the telephone system has failed between Culham and Heyford meaning all the foot crossings have to be locked out of use.   Until they are trains are having to be cautioned over them - and there are quite a few!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 19, 2018, 10:49:27
    What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on August 19, 2018, 11:04:12
    What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

    They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 19, 2018, 15:31:32
    What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

    They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.

    I think if you tried that and were caught doing it, you might end up in court for committing tresspass.....

    .....as well as endangering your own life (and possibly others).....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on August 19, 2018, 16:20:25
    So, Network Rail are free to block public rights of way because of their own failing?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 19, 2018, 19:20:29
    Yes.

    Edit to add:
    Quote
    Public Highways : The Railway obtained priority of way over the public highway and was required to provide gates to fence off the Railway line. The gates were required to close off the roadway and were to be opened to allow road users to pass over the Railway. Subsequently the Railway reversed the arrangement so that the gates were normally across the Railway for obvious reasons. The Railway does maintain the right however to close the road off as it sees fit - i.e. in the event of a failure, however these days this is done co-operatively with the local Highways Authority. In a short notice case such as a failure the Police will be called to close off the road.

    Private Roads : These are roads which do not form part of the public highway and are maintained at the owners expense. Typically these give access to a landowner's house. The Railway retains priority of way and the crossing must be adequately fenced and gated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on August 20, 2018, 17:11:05
    Do they lock them out of use?  I thought they just continue to run trains at caution. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on August 20, 2018, 17:58:38
    If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

    Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

    Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 20, 2018, 18:06:15
    If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

    Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

    Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.

    BNM.  My post was in reference to failures, not pre-planned works, where as you correctly say a formal 'Road Closure' notice has to be approved by the highway authority in advance of the closure.  Done many of those, and the emergency ones, in my 50 year long (perhaps too long) S&T Career.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2018, 09:56:26
    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 12:00 26/08.
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2018, 11:45:15
    Situation deteriorating;

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
    Customer Advice
    London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

    Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

    Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on August 26, 2018, 11:55:08
    Situation deteriorating;

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
    Customer Advice
    London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

    Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

    Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.

    A GWR driver reported a rough riding over a set of points in the Langley area.  Trains were initially cautioned.  Following an inspection by NR engineers an emergency 5mph speed restriction was imposed over the points. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on August 26, 2018, 12:23:00
    Cyclic top reported with the rail head observed moving vertically by 17mm with a train over it at 5mph.

    I imagine that movement would have be considerably more at linespeed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on August 26, 2018, 13:59:33
    I got to Paddington just after 13:00. Train shed empty apart from HEX services. Lots of cancellations on the board. I'm on a very busy High Speed Train (HST) forming the 13:34 to Worcester Foregate Street. Out of Paddington 15 late - which is actually a lot better than I'd expected.


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 26, 2018, 15:26:44
    Defect was on the Up Relief. The Mains were closed for engineering work.  Fortunately it was possible to stop the work early to allow them to reopen and enable the Relief to be closed for repair.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on August 29, 2018, 16:31:46
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines towards Didcot Parkway have now reopened. Disruption is expected until 17:30 29/08.
    Impact: Train services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 25 minutes.

    Due to a fire on a train at Pangbourne some lines towards Didcot Parkway are blocked. Disruption is expected until 18:30 29/08.
    Impact: Train services between Reading and Didcot Parkway may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on August 29, 2018, 16:34:53
    Didcot signals have only failed 10 times this year, nothing much.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2018, 09:10:23
    Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway


    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 02/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 02, 2018, 09:34:24
    Four trains waiting at the platforms at Reading to head west and three at Swindon wanting to go east.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 02, 2018, 09:39:31
    The 07:57 Paddington - Penzance via Bristol has just left Reading 66 late.

    A delay that's not mentioned on JourneyCheck.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 02, 2018, 09:46:45
    The 07:57 Paddington - Penzance via Bristol has just left Reading 66 late.

    A delay that's not mentioned on JourneyCheck.


    Think someone saw your post  ;D

    Quote
    07:57 London Paddington to Penzance due 14:16 has been delayed at Reading and is now 66 minutes late.
    This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.
    First class located at front. Catering is not available from Exeter St Davids.
    Last Updated:02/09/2018 09:40


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 02, 2018, 09:51:15
    Like it!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 02, 2018, 10:25:42
    Maybe part of the remit of doing the social media role for GWR is to keep an eye on the Coffee Shop! They might learn a few things. :D

    edited to add two missing words


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: froome on September 02, 2018, 12:00:40
    Maybe part of the remit of doing the social media role for GWR is to keep on the Coffee Shop! They might learn a few things. :D

    I thought that was the role. ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2018, 07:40:11
    Delays to services between Slough and Twyford


    Due to a broken down train between Slough and Twyford some lines towards Twyford are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:15 10/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 11, 2018, 10:49:12
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 12, 2018, 07:55:40
    Cancellations to services at London Paddington


    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 12/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on September 13, 2018, 13:56:28
    1407, 1415 and 1421 from Southall towards Paddington all cancelled, reason given as
    Quote
    This train has been cancelled because of a safety inspection of the track
    All these are running non-stop from Hayes & Harlington to Paddington >:( ::)

    Screenshot from GWR Journeycheck page showing live information for trains from Southall to Paddington. Nothing in the "Line Updates" list.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 13, 2018, 16:18:35
    1407, 1415 and 1421 from Southall towards Paddington all cancelled, reason given as
    Quote
    This train has been cancelled because of a safety inspection of the track
    All these are running non-stop from Hayes & Harlington to Paddington >:( ::)

    Screenshot from GWR Journeycheck page showing live information for trains from Southall to Paddington. Nothing in the "Line Updates" list.

    Set of points required attention near West Ealing. NR took a 20 minute line block on the Up relief to carry out repairs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 20, 2018, 07:31:19
    A fault with barriers at a level crossing in the Thatcham area is causing disruption to trains between Newbury and Reading.

    As a result, services may be delayed by up to 30 minutes.

    We anticipate that this will continue until 08:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 21, 2018, 07:42:28
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 09:00 21/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2018, 09:33:17
    Some services being diverted between Bath and Reading via the Berks and Hants.

    Disruption now expected until 11am.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on September 21, 2018, 10:22:17
    While awaiting my severely delayed service at Didcot I heard that Pilotman Working had been introduced so the failure must have been pretty bad over a large area. On OTT delays appeared to be between Uffington and Challow Loops inclusive.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on September 21, 2018, 10:59:46
    While awaiting my severely delayed service at Didcot I heard that Pilotman Working had been introduced so the failure must have been pretty bad over a large area. On OTT delays appeared to be between Uffington and Challow Loops inclusive.
    Now ongoing delays until 15:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 24, 2018, 07:22:28
    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 24/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 24, 2018, 08:15:09
    now fixed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 25, 2018, 08:52:48
    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead the line is blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:15 25/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 25, 2018, 09:06:52
    line open....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 25, 2018, 18:44:47
    Due to a points failure at Oxford some lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 25/09.

    Following a points failure between Newbury and Reading the line towards Reading is now open.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 25/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 28, 2018, 16:02:34
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 28/09.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on September 28, 2018, 18:10:41
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 28/09.

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/09.

    Expected disruption times now 19:30 and 20:00 respectively, though actual delays seem to be minimal - most of this evening's cancellations appear to be due to crew shortages.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 28, 2018, 18:30:56
    Mrs GTBE was at Reading at 1730 and the screens were showing no trains to Pangbourne until 1828 (possibly she missed the 1808 to Oxford off P3).  She phoned me (train delays are still my fault although I retired ages ago), and after a a quick look at RTT I told her that the 1718 Padd - Oxford (1D35), although cancelled from Padd, was staring up at Reading at its booked time of 1756.  Mrs GTBE says this wasn't on the screens and station staff denied it was running.  So she got a taxi.

    Well done to someone who organised for 1D35 to start up at Reading, but it would have been good if someone had ensured this was communicated to the CIS in good time.  I wonder if anyone was on it when it left Reading?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 28, 2018, 18:38:27
    Well it was known well in advance

    Quote

    17:18 London Paddington to Oxford due 18:44 will be started from Reading.
    It will no longer call at London Paddington, Maidenhead and Twyford.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


    Last Updated:28/09/2018 15:33


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 01, 2018, 07:02:12
    Welcome to October!  ::)


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 01/10.
    Customer Advice
    Customers from stations with cancelled services between Hayes & Harlington and Langley travelling westbound should travel to Ealing Broadway and change for services to Slough.
    Customers travelling westbound to stations between Hayes & Harlington and Slough should travel through to Slough and change for stations to Hayes & Harlington


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 01, 2018, 08:17:36
    Delays now up to 20 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 01, 2018, 20:07:53
    Still on going. 30 mins late in this morning and 22 mins late this evening on what should be around a 30 min journey. No announcements on the train or platform this morning and a rather frustrated driver this evening saying he had no idea what the problem was.

    And we probably get to do it all again tomorrow...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 03, 2018, 10:04:23
    Seemed to be delays again this morning on Thames Valley. Couple of trains waiting at Twyford and lots of people shouting at each other about whether they'd heard from 'Control'. 25 mins late in again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on October 03, 2018, 10:09:40
    Obstruction on line at Acton according to our train manager. 16 minutes late on 0800 from Swindon


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 03, 2018, 10:22:21
    Obstruction on line at Acton according to our train manager. 16 minutes late on 0800 from Swindon

    Good to catch up with you earlier on the TransWilts train

    The race to the north ... 10:21 sitting in Birmingham New Street on the 10:15 to Edinburgh


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on October 03, 2018, 11:19:49
    Approaching Newark 10 mins late. LNER breakfast consumed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 03, 2018, 11:33:41
    Approaching Newark 10 mins late. LNER breakfast consumed

    .... or should it be an early lunchtime breakfast.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 15, 2018, 21:24:01
    Thoughts with all affected.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a person being hit by a train between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 16, 2018, 20:12:30
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 22:00 16/10.

    Some services showing as "delayed" at the moment including the 19:22 Paddington to Hereford train which is stuck between Paddington and Slough and at least 30 minutes late as I write.

    Update... a touch more serious it seems:

    Quote
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 120 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Last Updated:16/10/2018 20:13


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RA on October 16, 2018, 21:20:38
    Wiring reported wrapped around a class 802 unit (802016) on the down main line approaching Hanwell. The train involved is the 5Z65 21:13 North Pole to Stoke Gifford empty stock move. Power lost to all lines between Paddington and Maidenhead. Code Black declared. Ticket acceptance on other routes and London buses. Advice is not to travel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on October 16, 2018, 22:12:58
    And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
    1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
    and
    b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on October 16, 2018, 22:21:45
    So is this the old wiring that includes headspans?  Has this bit been upgraded or is it still the 1990's wiring?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 16, 2018, 22:42:53
    After a day when dozens of them were short formed, what a great way to round off the 1st anniversary of the introduction of the GWR IET fleet.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 17, 2018, 01:20:02
    And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
    1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
    and
    b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?
    Still appears to be frozen as of 01:15 Wednesday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:00:32
    And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
    1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
    and
    b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?
    Still appears to be frozen as of 01:15 Wednesday.

    Still appears to be frozen as of 04:55 too with over 100 cancellations on JourneyCheck already, shuttle service between Didcot - Reading and Slough.

    Wonder if they'll declare today a void day before its even got going ?

    Everybody take the day off.

    I think that's what they mean when they say 'NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 05:24:19
    I had (clearly foolishly) decided to take a chance on GWR getting me to Plymouth this morning as I'm recovering from a broken ankle & am not able to drive for a couple more weeks. I should have known better. Now trying to find out if my 1st class Advance ticket will be valid tomorrow instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 05:29:39
    Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:39:47
    Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

    Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:43:38
    Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

    Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

    Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:58:38
    Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

    Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

    Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.

    .... and ASLEF.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 06:13:14
    Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

    Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

    Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.

    .... and ASLEF.

    Don't give them ideas, you'll have them all out on strike.

    Their social media teams all seem to have given up already  (just when they are most needed)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 06:24:03
    I had (clearly foolishly) decided to take a chance on GWR getting me to Plymouth this morning as I'm recovering from a broken ankle & am not able to drive for a couple more weeks. I should have known better. Now trying to find out if my 1st class Advance ticket will be valid tomorrow instead.
    It should be TG.

    Feel for everyone trying to travel to/from London on GWR. What a mess.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on October 17, 2018, 06:40:21
    Feeling “sick” today as I cannot be arsed to travel with this disruption.

    144 Train Cancellations this morning.
    108 Amendments

    Cheltenham’s terminating at Swindon
    All others terminating at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 06:58:57
    Feeling “sick” today as I cannot be arsed to travel with this disruption.

    144 Train Cancellations this morning.
    108 Amendments

    Cheltenham’s terminating at Swindon
    All others terminating at Reading.

    Full quote from Journey Check concerning today:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Since around 19:30 Tuesday evening virtually no train service has been able to operate between London Paddington and Reading in either direction owing to the damage to the overhead wires. This has led to widespread disruption with trains initially stranded in various locations owing to loss of overhead power and diesel powered services unable to bypass the disabled electric trains.

    The position this morning is that all lines remain closed between London Paddington and Slough with the possibility that two of these four lines will be available during the afternoon.

    #######################################################################
    Customers intending to travel to or from intermediate stations between London Paddington and Slough are advised NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN until such time that confirmation has been published that the route has been reopened.

    There will be a very significant reduction in train service frequency on most routes as a result of this incident and those services which do operate will be extremely busy.

    Note that between Slough and London Paddington no alternative road transport other than scheduled bus / Underground / train operators services on parallel routes will operate. In other areas neighbouring train operators covering parallel routes and certain local bus routes are conveying holders of GWR tickets by any reasonable route.
    #######################################################################

    A limited train shuttle service will operate Slough - Reading - Didcot Parkway.

    Those customers from London seeking to travel to Reading or west thereof are advised to travel to London Waterloo and travel on South Western Railway services to Reading (either direct or via Guildford or Basingstoke) from where main line services will restart.

    Customers travelling to / from the Oxford area are advised to use Chiltern Railways services to / from London Marylebone.

    Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.

    Customers travelling to destinations in the Worcester area may travel from London Euston to Birmingham New Street on Virgin West Coast services and then from Birmingham New Street to Worcester on West Midlands Railway services.

    Note that with the reduced frequency of services many trains are expected to be very busy.
    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
    Last Updated:17/10/2018 06:23


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sanfrandragon on October 17, 2018, 06:59:23
    Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 17, 2018, 07:13:51
    Sigh...the one day I really needed to be in. Almost joined some colleagues in getting a taxi from Twyford to Reading to pick up SWR but my heart wasn't in it. I;m not sure if they went in the end as there was concern about getting home and just the length of time it would all take.

    Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 07:19:29
    Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .

    It does more that just add another thing ... but the brand new electric railway that has yet something else to go wrong and in any case runs out and switches to diesel at Thingley Cocklebury Lane has something of a public relations problem this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 07:31:32
    Sigh...the one day I really needed to be in. Almost joined some colleagues in getting a taxi from Twyford to Reading to pick up SWR but my heart wasn't in it. I;m not sure if they went in the end as there was concern about getting home and just the length of time it would all take.

    Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.

    There are signalling problems between Reading  & Waterloo too. GWR "help" being terse & unhelpful.

    Almost unbelievably, despite warning people against travel today, they are not confirming whether tickets for today can be transferred to tomorrow's services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 07:43:00
    Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.
    GWR have rectified this. Here's a pretty detailed summary of whats running and what isn't:
    https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

    Quote
    Overhead wires damaged Wednesday 17 October
    On Tuesday 16 October overhead wires were damaged in the London area. This severely disrupted train services between London Paddington and Reading as many trains became stranded owing to the resultant loss of a power supply. Owing to the extent of the damage no trains are expected to be able to operate between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington in either direction for much of Wednesday 17th October. As a result, GWR, TfL Rail and Heathrow Express will not be operating a train service between London Paddington, Hayes & Harlington or Slough until such time as repairs have been completed.

    Advice

    Due to the disruption to Great Western, MTR and Heathrow Express services, we are advising customers not to seek to travel by train between London Paddington and Slough until at least mid-day today, Wednesday 17th October. From mid-day, two of the four lines are expected to reopen; this to be confirmed in due course.

    We strongly advise not to travel on long distance routes or towards London due to a reduced train service on all routes and no train services operating to or from London Paddington. Train services will instead terminate and start at Reading.

    If you are travelling from London beyond Reading please do not go to London Paddington but instead travel straight to either London Waterloo, London Marylebone or London Euston depending upon your ultimate destination.


    A reduced timetable will be in place on Wednesday 17 October that will impact most mainline routes to and from London Paddington all day.

    Between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway
    Starting and terminating at Slough, a local stopping train service will operate between Slough, Reading and Didcot Parkway only in each direction.
    South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between London Waterloo and Windsor/ Reading. Chiltern Railways is accepting GWR tickets between London Marylebone, Oxford and Banbury.
    Between West Ealing and Greenford
    The train service is suspended between West Ealing and Greenford, please travel on London Underground services and London Buses.
    Between London Paddington and Bedwyn
    Starting and terminating at Reading, the train service will operate between Reading and Bedwyn only.
    South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between London Waterloo and Windsor/ Reading.
    Between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads
    Starting and terminating at Reading, an hourly train service will operate between Reading and Bristol Temple Meads in each direction.
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    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 07:45:34
    So was it an OverHead - Line Equipment (OHLE) failure or did an IET bring the wiring down?

    Going to be a hefty bill for someone.

    Looking at Social media from last night, taxis were doing a roaring trade with some very large bills heading GWR's way in the next few days.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 07:56:01
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 08:05:17
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
    So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 08:08:50
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 08:14:50
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
    So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?

    You may have noticed on the new electric units a light that luminates the pantograph, this is for a CCTV camera that is located in the pan well.


    The footage from the unit involved and other units that passed over the damaged section will be interrogated by a joint team made up of Network Rail (NR), TOC's and FOCs.  There is also other data that is recorded on the units that will be used.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 08:16:18
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
    So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?

    I doubt very much wether GWR will be paying for it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on October 17, 2018, 08:21:23
    An interesting commute this morning! Furze platt to maidenhead, maidenhead to Twyford, realise the reading SWR train is up the spout, change at twyford back to Slough, Slough to Windsor, Windsor to Waterloo! Will be an adventure coming home!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 17, 2018, 08:33:16
    An interesting commute this morning! Furze platt to maidenhead, maidenhead to Twyford, realise the reading SWR train is up the spout, change at twyford back to Slough, Slough to Windsor, Windsor to Waterloo! Will be an adventure coming home!!!

    You showed more dedication than I did although my boss doesn't even look up anymore when I start a sentence or phone call with "the trains......"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:33:58
    Graham, There were many more than the 802 that got trapped when those wires descended...all the other electric units that got trapped with no power would have presumably not been running ECS but wiuld have had passengers on them? What happened to them?

    Fyi, Network Rail (NR) are tweeting that 200 metred of wires are affected

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:35:42
    Journeycheck has removed the comment that two lines might be available after lunch and now states disruption till end of day


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 08:41:18
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

    AIUI there were people trapped on trains for hours and still hundreds stranded on the concourse at Paddington well after midnight - judging by reports customer service was pretty poor at Paddington (the usual gaping mouthed hopelessness and no-one prepared to make decisions about taxis/hotels etc) but better at Reading where there was some coordination - naturally of course that was if people were able to get to Reading.

    I understand that the BTP at Paddington got thoroughly p'd off with GWR staff constantly summoning them to deal with frustrated customers who were not being threatening or abusive but just needed help, and then as the night drew on the GWR staff mostly steadily disappeared leaving the Police to deal with it all (that's from the (Police) horses mouth- TVP version).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 08:49:18
    AIUI there were people trapped on trains for hours and still hundreds stranded on the concourse at Paddington well after midnight - judging by reports customer service was pretty poor at Paddington (the usual gaping mouthed hopelessness and no-one prepared to make decisions about taxis/hotels etc) but better at Reading where there was some coordination - naturally of course that was if people were able to get to Reading.

    I understand that the BTP at Paddington got thoroughly p'd off with GWR staff constantly summoning them to deal with frustrated customers who were not being threatening or abusive but just needed help, and then as the night drew on the GWR staff mostly steadily disappeared leaving the Police to deal with it all (that's from the (Police) horses mouth- TVP version).

    Graham, There were many more than the 802 that got trapped when those wires descended...all the other electric units that got trapped with no power would have presumably not been running ECS but wiuld have had passengers on them? What happened to them?

    Fair questions - I misread (didn't engage brain) and answered purely from the viewpoint of the train involved - classic error of not looking at the wider picture.   I need another coffee.

    My mis-read shows how classically easy it is to be involved in the detail of what's going on and overlook the passenger - the very person for whom the services are being run.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 08:51:41
    On BBC Radio Berkshire just now there was a report from BBC South's Paul Clifton saying that the test IET involved was being driven by a GB Railfreight  (GBRf) driver and it brought down half a kilometre of cables.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:55:22
    Something else that was missing last night were announcements were necessary on the tube on lines passing through Paddington....as has happened in the past - that the station was shut, likely to be shut for the rest of the evening & to go directly to Waterloo to get to Reading or Windsor/Slough, or via Piccadilly line to Heathrow.

    No announcements meant pax were still going to Paddington after 10pm....simply then telling them not to travel after a night out was insufficient.

    On BBC Radio Berkshire just now there was a report from BBC South's Paul Clifton saying that the test IET involved was being driven by a GBRf driver and it brought down half a kilometre of cables.

    Network Rail (NR) are saying less than half that - 200 metres.

    I wondered whether it was one of the couple of newly delivered 802s....seems so.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 09:19:02
    Network Rail (NR) are saying less than half that - 200 metres.

    Network Rail (NR) are reported as saying "500 metres of extensive damage caused to overhead power lines" in this Guardian article:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/17/paddington-station-suffers-major-disruption-after-overhead-wires-damaged (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/17/paddington-station-suffers-major-disruption-after-overhead-wires-damaged)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 09:36:56
    Yes, indeed, they are tweeting this now too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 09:38:34
    All passengers were evacuated from stranded trains by 00:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 09:41:42
    I've just found a Tweet from someone called Anila Babla with a photo showing passengers being evacuated onto the ballast at an unspecified location last night:

    https://twitter.com/AnilaBabla/status/1052360086633340933 (https://twitter.com/AnilaBabla/status/1052360086633340933)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 17, 2018, 09:41:54
    According to info on the WNXX Forum, 15 Headspans damaged and up to 500m of wire.  The IET is still stranded with the wires wrapped around it.  14 headspans now repaired.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 09:44:21
    Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .

    In theory, electrification is the way forward.
    Less reliance on imported oil.
    No pollution at point of use.
    Better performance
    Electric trains should be simpler and more reliable.

    However as recent events have shown, network rail are not capable of electrifying on time or within budget, neither are they able to maintain existing infrastructure properly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 09:49:32
    Wrong again.

    How do you suggest Network Rail (NR) prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly Network Rail's (NR)s fault, this.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: YouKnowNothing on October 17, 2018, 09:57:44
    Wait for the root cause, could be that the OverHead- Line Equipment (OHLE) wasn’t maintained (by Network Rail (NR)) could be other infrastructure issue, could be a pant issue..

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:01:32
    Wouldn't an in service IET have done the damage if the wires themselves were faulty?

    I think it's moving towards a faulty pan on the test train personally.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 10:01:43
    Wrong again.

    How do you suggest Network Rail (NR) prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly Network Rail's (NR)s fault, this.

    Depends on whether the wires were in any way faulty and to blame or whether it was the Class 802s faulty equipment which brought them down.

    Either way, it’s in an area of electrification done in the 1990’s again using headspan wiring which we know is more prone to these sorts of problems. Network Rail (NR) have modified some of it, but much still remains as far as Airport Junction.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 10:04:54
    Wrong again.

    How do you suggest NR prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly NRs fault, this.

    Network rail can not prevent IETs or any other train from ripping down the wires.
    My post however was in reply to an enquiry about the merits of electrification in general.

    I stand by my reply about electrification having many advantages, but that network rail have not proved competent in electrifying routes on time or to budget, and that maintenance of existing equipment has been found wanting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 10:08:43
    From my inbox at 09:25

    Quote
    Dear Graham
     
    You may have heard that we are not currently able to run trains between London Paddington and Reading.  This follows damage to the overhead electric wires at Ealing by a test train operated by Hitachi Rail Europe yesterday evening – it was not in passenger service.
     
    Network Rail have worked through the night, but need more time to safely repair and recommission the overhead wires.    They expect to be able to re-open two of the four lines into Paddington around midday. Disruption will however continue throughout the day.
     
    We are therefore operating a reduced long distance service and there will be no local services between Reading and Paddington until lines re-open.  We are advising customers not to travel unless absolutely necessary and to check carefully before setting out.
     
    For those who do need to travel we have arranged for GWR tickets to be accepted on London Waterloo services (change at Reading) or services to London Marylebone and our tickets are valid on South Western Railway, Chiltern Railways, Virgin Trains, West Midlands Railway and Transport for Wales services.  Customers between Reading and London can also use TfL underground and bus services.
     
    I am sorry for the very difficult start to the day for our customers.  We will be working with Network Rail and Hitachi to understand what happened and will do all we can to get the lines opened as quickly as possible.
     
    All the latest information will be on our website www.gwr.com and will be regularly updating traditional and social media outlets.
     
    Best wishes
     
    Mark

    * Not a GWR operated train

    * No attribution yet (except "not us")


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: mjones on October 17, 2018, 10:11:48
    National Rail live departures from Didcot  is now showing hourly trains to Paddington from 1230. Is this likely to be real?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: wabbit on October 17, 2018, 10:13:47
    Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Boppy on October 17, 2018, 10:20:49
    National rail enquiries now says disruption until end of day rather than the midday it mentioned earlier.

    The disruption between Reading and Wokingham making things a lot worse is also quite key. At least usually there is this route as backup but judging by the crowds around platforms 4,5,6 there are delays and cancellations on that line. I had to get to Wokingham but the bus option looked the much preferable means of transport!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:24:44
    Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?

    Money no object, of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 10:27:52
    Wouldn't an in service IET have done the damage if the wires themselves were faulty?

    I think it's moving towards a faulty pan on the test train personally.

    Its not unheard off that the Pan that rips the wires down was not the faulty Pan, it could have been several trains earlier with the damage to the OverHead - Line Equipment (OHLE) getting progressively worse.  This is why video from previous trains is checked in the post-mortem

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:35:20
    yep, but still not the fault of Network Rail (NR).

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 10:37:58
    yep, but still not the fault of NR.

    Still could be....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 10:45:57
    Article by the Independent's travel writer Simon Calder:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-paddington-travel-latest-train-station-closed-great-western-railway-heathrow-express-tfl-rail-a8587596.html

    Which he linked to his latest tweet:

    Paddington closure.
    Confirmed: a Hitachi test train shredded 500m of overhead line.
    Train maker says: "We are taking today very seriously, a full and thorough investigation is taking place to identify the cause.”
    Standstill. Waterloo-Reading also disrupted


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 10:50:24
    Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?

    The new link to Marylebone has come in very useful for Oxford/Didcot/Cotswold Line passengers.  Not that punters from Bicester, Haddenham and High Wycombe joining already full trains will have thanked them for it.  I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on October 17, 2018, 10:58:12
    The "tweet the Manager" session of Chiltern began and ended today to apologise for the overcrowding today. They weren't without their own problems earlier this morning around Wembley.

    Paddington to South Ruislip also cancelled of course ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 11:20:23
    There are now two threads running on this.....from the Electrification ongoing thread

    I’m hearing reports (unconfirmed) that the pantograph was raised at 105mph in an area where it is not tentioned enough for that to happen.  There are specific rules locations where you can raise on the move at speed.

    So, driver error is a possibility.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 17, 2018, 11:25:37
    That would do it!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 11:28:01
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 11:29:35
    I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!

    yep, me too today. Worth an extra 30minutes to get a seat!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 11:38:46
    I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!

    yep, me too today. Worth an extra 30minutes to get a seat!
    You might find you have a few more extra permanent customers using this line to London after last night/today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 11:49:11
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

    That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 11:55:23
    BBC Berkshire reporter Jack Winstanley has just tweeted:

    Quote
    The first train to leave Reading station for Paddington this morning has just departed from platform 9.

    I’m told they’re now in a position to run a reduced service along the line, with things beginning to get back to normal after this morning’s suspension.

    https://twitter.com/jhwinstanley/status/1052512146905554944 (https://twitter.com/jhwinstanley/status/1052512146905554944)

    From RTT it looks like it's 1L42 0730 Carmarthen to Paddington which left Reading at 1145, running 40 minutes late.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 12:05:39
    Looks like 802016 was the culprit. Network Rail (NR) have confirmed trains moving.

    Now they'll have a further problem come this evening when all those having found their way to work try and get home if there's only the one pair of tracks still working....hopefully, people will stagger their return home, or continue to use the alternative routes...

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 12:12:48
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


    No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

    The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
    Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

    That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 12:13:29
    After a brief pause at Southall, the errant 5Z65 appears to have now returned to North Pole - according to OTT it is now (12:12) approaching the depot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on October 17, 2018, 12:15:41
    From @GWRHelp on Twitter:

    Quote
    A void day has been declared for season ticket holders caught up in today's disruption


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 12:22:29
    I expect passenger numbers will be considerably down compared with usual, so a 2-track timetable will just about cope with numbers, provided they don’t start chucking out 5-car IET and 4-car trains instead of booked formations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 12:23:45
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

    That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.

    Certainly sad, and PARTIALY due to under investment.
    Not entirely though IMO.
    A great deal of money has been invested in electrification, without discernible gain for long distance passengers.
    A great of money has been spent on the IETs. It is not just me who considers that the new fleet represents a downgrade despite all the expenditure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 12:28:15
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

    That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.

    Certainly sad, and PARTIALY due to under investment.
    Not entirely though IMO.
    A great deal of money has been invested in electrification, without discernible gain for long distance passengers.
    A great of money has been spent on the IETs. It is not just me who considers that the new fleet represents a downgrade despite all the expenditure.

    But this new fleet of high speed trains must be perfect ………………. they were spec'd by the DfT after all the DfT has the passengers interest at heart  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 12:28:34
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


    No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

    The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
    Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

    That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

    I'm not talking about fleets of buses, GWR can have a contingency plan which trains, empowers and informs their staff, and provides extra resources on the ground helping their customers constructively via all channels during times of extreme disruption.

    For example - the GWR Help twitter page advertises  "We are Great Western Railway, here to help 24/7" - it patently isn't, as people were tweeting & asking questions from 0500 but not receiving responses until after 0700 and there was little or no activity visible in the interim - the whole effectiveness of Twitter relies on very swift responses.

    As others have noted, announcements could be made on Tube trains too - I've had the experience of emerging into Paddington to find utter chaos on numerous occasions - if information had been given on the relevant Tube lines with suggested alternatives, this could be avoided and mitigate overcrowding.


    These are basic things, they should be in place as a matter of course, it doesn't require a genius.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 12:45:03
    1T53, the 12:25 Paddington-Heathrow appears to be one of the first westbound services to have run; now approaching Heathrow.

    The Carmarthen-Paddington arrived, and has gone through several identity changes, suggesting some debate on what it's going to do for its westbound working; currently suggesting 1B35, the 12:45 to Swansea.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 12:52:22
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


    No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

    The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
    Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

    That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

    I'm not talking about fleets of buses, GWR can have a contingency plan which trains, empowers and informs their staff, and provides extra resources on the ground helping their customers constructively via all channels during times of extreme disruption.

    For example - the GWR Help twitter page advertises  "We are Great Western Railway, here to help 24/7" - it patently isn't, as people were tweeting & asking questions from 0500 but not receiving responses until after 0700 and there was little or no activity visible in the interim - the whole effectiveness of Twitter relies on very swift responses.

    As others have noted, announcements could be made on Tube trains too - I've had the experience of emerging into Paddington to find utter chaos on numerous occasions - if information had been given on the relevant Tube lines with suggested alternatives, this could be avoided and mitigate overcrowding.


    These are basic things, they should be in place as a matter of course, it doesn't require a genius.


    The information is available to staff in terms of alternative routes into London. The problem is getting that information to the passenger or the way it is broadcast to the passenger.  One massive screen at stations would be handy rather than the small departures screens we’ve got, a screen where you’re not limited by the number of  characters you can use and information can be explained in a more user friendly manner.

    You’ll always get some who don’t read information screens and you’ll always get some who won’t accept what they’ve been advised and expect something more straightforward and quicker.

    Far point about the Underground.  Service information is broadcast at Reading and some train managers will give Tube updates so you’d think it would be a two way agreement.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 13:10:29
    But this new fleet of high speed trains must be perfect ………………. they were spec'd by the DfT after all the DfT has the passengers interest at heart  ::)
    And that is where the problem lies. A train no one wanted and few wanted to build.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on October 17, 2018, 13:34:16
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

    No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

    Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

    The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


    No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

    The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
    Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

    That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

    Just heard someone from Modern Railways on Radio 4 saying essentially that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 14:13:39
    I expect passenger numbers will be considerably down compared with usual, so a 2-track timetable will just about cope with numbers, provided they don’t start chucking out 5-car IET and 4-car trains instead of booked formations.

    With stock completely out of position, I doubt there'll be much of a timetable. They'll run what they can while planning to get all stock back in position for tomorrow morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on October 17, 2018, 16:55:29
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

    Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 16:58:16
    All four tracks now open (one restricted to diesel only), so there's a fighting chance of a reasonable evening peak service.  Trains and crew still badly displaced though, so it'll be far from perfect!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on October 17, 2018, 17:52:26
    All four tracks now open (one restricted to diesel only), so there's a fighting chance of a reasonable evening peak service.  Trains and crew still badly displaced though, so it'll be far from perfect!

    Yaay! Four tracks, now!

    I pity the driver involved "The cost has run into millions!"
    "Sorry about that."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 17:59:43
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

    I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RA on October 17, 2018, 18:26:03
    Latest from Network Rail. As part of the repair work, tonight from 21:00 all lines will be blocked to electric traction between Southall and Acton West. The main lines will be closed with all trains using the relief lines. All electric only services will be cancelled unless substituted by class 165/166 units. All class 800/802 formed trains to run on diesel mode between Reading and Paddington.

    For the record, the offending train last night was operated and crewed by GB Railfreight (GBRf) as they are contracted by Hitachi for all movements and testing of the units on Network Rail infrastructure prior to them being accepted into traffic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 18:34:49
    From City A.M. http://www.cityam.com/265952/paddington-disruption-continue-into-tomorrow-network-rail

    Quote
    “We have been working all day on our plan to replace the electric lines and associated equipment quickly and safely. We have been doing as much as possible away from the track, but we can only carry out repairs in earnest when trains are not running," it said.

    It said work wold begin on the track at 9pm this evening to install new wires.

    “The extent of the damage means we will not be able to complete our repairs in one night, so while services on Thursday morning will be significantly improved, there may still be some disruption. We advise passengers to continue to check with train operators before travelling. We apologise to passengers who have been affected by this major incident.”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 18:45:13
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

    I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


    I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 18:48:05
    I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.

    Pleased to hear you managed to minimise the effects of the disruption, Richard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 17, 2018, 18:51:21
    Interesting comparison with a major incident in Hong Kong yesterday ::)

    Quote
    Bosses on Hong Kong’s underground network, known as being one of the best in the world, were forced to issue a grovelling apology after trains ran every 12 minutes.

    Owners of the MTR network have apologised for Tuesday's delays and have brought in overseas experts to determine how they occurred.

    MTR have announced that they will be making fares on the network half price for a day as a way of apologising.

    99.9 percent of subway trains in Hong Kong arrive on time, with trains usually running every 2-4 minutes.

    According to the South China Morning Post, delays on trains are so rare, there was nothing in the handbook on how to deal with the signal failure.

    Three lines were affected by the signal failures

    Passengers complained of waiting up to half an hour for a train with staff resorting to switching off escalators as a way of dealing with overcrowding.

    Announcements on the tannoy told passengers that they would not be charged for their journey.

    Buses and taxis felt the brunt of the delays with a usual taxi journey from Mong Kok to the Eastern Harbour Tunnel taking an hour and 10 minutes compared to the usual 25 minutes.

    Trams were also affected with hundreds of people queueing at stops. Queues for ferries were also considerably long.

    The issue was so severe, Chief Executive of the region Carrie Lam urged employers to be considerate to those turning up late to work.

    She said: “If the railway malfunction has made workers late for work….I call on employers to be considerate.”

    After six hours, the network returned to normal however passengers were still warned to allow extra time to complete their journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 17, 2018, 19:24:19
    Wasn't it them or somewhere in the far East recently who issued a grovelling public apology when a service departed something like 20 seconds early


    Quote
    Owners of the MTR network have apologised for Tuesday's delays and have brought in overseas experts to determine how they occurred.

    Certainly won't be from the UK


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 19:25:25
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

    I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


    I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


    I'm sorry you took what I said to be "smug" - far from it, I had things to do today which all went out the window because I didn't get back until 14 30 and realising that your best option is to get away from the area and get a hotel at 21 00 was not brilliant.  I'm certainly not smug.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 19:44:06
    RichardB, your post was the first I have seen that mentions anything about rescue of the stranded trains.

    Does anyone know more of the story? - some of those trains were stuck between stations...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 20:07:36
    An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

    From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

    On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



    I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

    I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


    I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


    I'm sorry you took what I said to be "smug" - far from it, I had things to do today which all went out the window because I didn't get back until 14 30 and realising that your best option is to get away from the area and get a hotel at 21 00 was not brilliant.  I'm certainly not smug.

    Cool your jets Richard, just a bit of tongue in cheek fun, hence the smiley.

     I'm glad you got back to Plymouth OK. I was supposed to be heading there myself today to spend a few days with my aged parents and would be there now but for the hopeless state of the railway......fingers crossed I'll make it tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 20:16:40
    Jets duly cooled.  Good luck tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on October 17, 2018, 20:25:48
    Seems the TV stoppers  will be running as split services late evening, Didcot-Reading (387) and Reading-Paddington (turbo), roughly half normal frequency.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 20:42:01
    Jets duly cooled.  Good luck tomorrow.

    Thanks Richard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 21:35:53
    One comment I did see about being stuck on an electric 387 without power....that the door open button didn't work....whether that was usual for a door failure or as a result of having no power overhead, not sure.

    But there were crossed legs for sure. Should the doors fail such that they aren't locked shut but have a manual lock lever?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 22:00:55
    One comment I did see about being stuck on an electric 387 without power....that the door open button didn't work....whether that was usual for a door failure or as a result of having no power overhead, not sure.

    But there were crossed legs for sure. Should the doors fail such that they aren't locked shut but have a manual lock lever?

    Assuming we're talking toilet doors here?

    If so, then if there's no power left (no juice and batteries depleted) the doors won't open - the last thing to go will be the emergency lighting.  They can be opened by hand using a certain amount of force (and then forced shut again) in an emergency, but if there's no power the toilet flush won't work either on a Class 387.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on October 17, 2018, 22:04:00
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

    Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...

    Would that be Simon Cowell? and Pop Idol / American Idol / [insert another awful karaoke singing TV show here]




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: hassaanhc on October 18, 2018, 00:51:40
    Update posted on GWR Journeycheck

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on the Reading bound high speed line.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Repairs are continuing overnight on the damaged section of overhead line equipment. During Thursday 18th October it is anticipated that a near normal peak hour service will be able to operate between Reading and London Paddington. There will however be some restrictions on the use of the line from London Paddington in the Ealing Broadway area which is utilised by the express services. This will limit the use of electric trains from London Paddington during the evening peak period which will result in a small number of train service cancellations / alterations.
    Last Updated:18/10/2018 00:39


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 18, 2018, 10:05:12
    Message posted on RailUKForums a couple of hours ago by member JN114:

    Quote
    1) The pantograph was raised, in a location not authorised for high speed changeover. It is unclear whether the raising of the pantograph was human error or mechanical failure.

    2) When the pantograph did raise, it didn’t do so normally. The head of the pantograph remained stowed and the elbow impacted the contact wire. There is strong suggestion that the Pantograph had been tied down for its transit to the UK to Pistoria, and had not been untied for the journey to Stoke Gifford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on October 18, 2018, 10:16:29
    Do we (they) know if the move to Stoke Gifford was supposed to be under electric traction or diesel?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 18, 2018, 11:32:24
    Diesel. So 105 is very unlikely.

    Seems someone might have forgotten their Swiss Army knife.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 18, 2018, 11:33:37
    I was thinking that when it was first reported.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on October 18, 2018, 14:26:52
    Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

    Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...

    Would that be Simon Cowell? and Pop Idol / American Idol / [insert another awful karaoke singing TV show here]


    Red Squirrel: Sewing confusion since 2013...  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 18, 2018, 18:51:39
    Message posted on RailUKForums a couple of hours ago by member JN114:

    Quote
    1) The pantograph was raised, in a location not authorised for high speed changeover. It is unclear whether the raising of the pantograph was human error or mechanical failure.

    2) When the pantograph did raise, it didn’t do so normally. The head of the pantograph remained stowed and the elbow impacted the contact wire. There is strong suggestion that the Pantograph had been tied down for its transit to the UK to Pistoria, and had not been untied for the journey to Stoke Gifford.


    I have been briefed (in confidence) on the footage of the roof mounted Pan CCTV.

    Defiantly not and infrastructure problem

    There was a problem with the Pan, exactly what I am not at liberty to say; the ORR report should make interesting reading



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 18, 2018, 18:57:46
    Interesting update, thanks for that.
    Hopefully you can give more detail at some future date, perhaps when it is published elsewhere.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2018, 19:37:35
    I’ve seen the same CCTV and concur.  Just two possible reasons remaining...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 19:51:07
    I have been briefed (in confidence) on the footage of the roof mounted Pan CCTV.

    Defiantly not and infrastructure problem

    There was a problem with the Pan, exactly what I am not at liberty to say; the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) report should make interesting reading

    Some speculation across rail related forums and social media that the pantograph was tied down at the head end and it was the elbow that raised. Either commanded or uncommanded. Speculated to have been left tied down after transit from the factory in Italy.

    However, there is YouTube footage of 802016 running with pan up at Reading on 3rd October. 802016 has been in the UK since 28th August. Hard to believe the pantograph would still be in delivery tied down status.

    https://youtu.be/UDbRwfp3qio

    So, had it been tied down again, and mistakenly put on test in that state and then raised accidentally, either commanded or uncommanded? Or could it be that the pan was fully operational and raised in error, again either commanded or uncommanded?

    There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location?

    Can those in the know confirm or deny that the pantograph head was tied down?

    I too await with interest official reports. With the huge disruption caused I do hope such reports are going to be made public, and in a timely fashion. Had there been injury or a risk of injury then the RAIB would be involved and a report could take up to a year to be published. Hopefully Office of Rail and Road (ORR) and Hitachi/GB Railfreight
    (GBRf) will be honest and open as soon as reasonably practicable.

    Oh, and Network Rail need to get a shift on and replace the headspan OverHead -Line Equipment (OHLE) sections with portals. Headspan has been okay on the Great Western Main Line (GWML) up until recently as it was only used by Heathrow Express/Connect services. But the use is now far more intensive with Class 80x and 387 now also using this 1990s cheap headspan OverHead -Line Equipment (OHLE).

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 18, 2018, 20:00:52
    Meanwhile...

    From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:13:06
    Meanwhile...

    From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.

    Brakes stuck on and losing air.

    Sounds familiar...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:19:40
    On the move again at 2012 after a Train Management System reset*.



    *Driver must have called the IET Crowd:


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on October 18, 2018, 20:34:36
    I wonder if the references to the speed of “105 mph” are just based on the typical speed reached at that particular location if accelerating away from the buffers at Paddington?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on October 18, 2018, 20:48:17
    Meanwhile...

    From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.

    Computer says you should not have stopped 'ere.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:50:54
    Something very wrong with the software if a Special Stop Order causes the train to dump its air.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on October 18, 2018, 20:51:51
    Some speculation across rail related forums and social media that the pantograph was tied down at the head end and it was the elbow that raised. Either commanded or uncommanded. Speculated to have been left tied down after transit from the factory in Italy.

    However, there is YouTube footage of 802016 running with pan up at Reading on 3rd October. 802016 has been in the UK since 28th August. Hard to believe the pantograph would still be in delivery tied down status.

    More to the point, that video shows 802016 on its own. Most of the 802s I've seen on test have been paired, and it was just possible a pantograph on an inner end might have been left retained. But the likelihood of it doing only one move A-B on the 3rd and otherwise always being paired when using 25kV is so low it can be deleted from the list.

    There's an "after" picture of the pantograph on RailUKForums, showing the head end badly mangled, but I can't see the arm in that. That would have been the front end at the time of the incident, so unless it left Paddington on diesel (why?) it would have been raised already (at least normally, I'm sure the rear one can be raised if you want to). None of which really fits the explanations currently offered.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Incider on October 18, 2018, 22:15:13
    [quote author=bignosemac link=topic=14689.msg249138#msg249138 date=1539888667

    There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location? [/quote]

    Whether it could or not, it hadn’t reached 105mph.

    Edit - there appears to have been some quoting slip of the fingers - hope I have corrected who said what now - Grahame


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2018, 23:34:26
    But it was going at way more than 20mph which would be the maximum speed to pan up at that location.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Incider on October 18, 2018, 23:47:49
    But it was going at way more than 20mph which would be the maximum speed to pan up at that location.

    It was, but not the widely publicised 105mph. Closer to half that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 19, 2018, 18:16:34


    There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location?



    Whether it could or not, it hadn’t reached 105mph.

    I've been miss quoted!!!!!

    Edit - looks like there have indeed been some quoting errors - which I have tried to fix - Grahame
    (Goodness only knows if I have got them right now - but at least I have planted a flag of caution for future readers!

    Thanks Graham  ;D



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 13:10:21
    Here we go again.......

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/10.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Since around 11:30am Sunday morning,virtually no train service has been able to operate between London Paddington and Reading in either direction owing to the damage to the overhead wires. This has led to widespread disruption with trains initially stranded in various.

    The position this afternoon is that all lines remain closed between London Paddington and Slough


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 28, 2018, 13:13:44
    Reports of some passengers taking it upon themselves to operate emergency door releases and spilling out onto the track near Ladbroke Grove.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:45:58
    Not going to help the situation that one option for those travelling to the SW today isn’t easily available in that Waterloo to Exeter services are starting/terminating at Basingstoke due to engineering work in the Woking area.

    My wife was due to travel home from London this afternoon but we’ve decided she is better off staying put and travel tomorrow. Someone reporting on uk Rail Forums that Waterloo is already busy with those arriving from Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:48:33
    GWR now reporting signalling problems at Bristol Parkway now. For those who have to travel this afternoon I wish you all the best, it’s not looking good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 28, 2018, 13:50:42
    Not going to help the situation that one option for those travelling to the SW today isn’t easily available in that Waterloo to Exeter services are starting/terminating at Basingstoke due to engineering work in the Woking area.

    Someone needs to tell GWR's Journeycheck team. It's currently saying
    Quote
    Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.
    An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
    Last Updated:28/10/2018 13:41


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:57:52

    Someone needs to tell GWR's Journeycheck team. It's currently saying
    Quote
    Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.
    An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
    Last Updated:28/10/2018 13:41
    Agree, though technically speaking you can but need to change at either Guildford for a bus or change at Reading for a train to Basingstoke by which time you are better off staying at Reading in the hope of a GWR service to the SW showing up.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 14:05:18
    I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

    Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

    Fingers crossed!



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 14:08:37
    I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

    Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

    Fingers crossed!
    Wishing you all the best Wilf19. Almost certain your train will terminate at Reading. Head over to the Platforms for the service to Waterloo. Let us know how it goes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 14:17:57
    I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

    Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

    Fingers crossed!
    Wishing you all the best Wilf19. Almost certain your train will terminate at Reading. Head over to the Platforms for the service to Waterloo. Let us know how it goes.

    14:51 arriving 16:23 at Waterloo or 15:21 arriving 16:59.

    Or you could try 15:11 XC to Oxford, change to 15:41 Chiltern to Marylebone arriving at 16:51 if the SWR services are too packed - though they're both 10-cars which is good news.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 14:29:09
    Thanks for the info,  I'm ready to be quick off the mark at Reading.  When I saw the issue I caught a train 2 hours earlier than I originally planned and - me being me - I had already allowed a lot of slack in case of problems. My flight isn't until 8pm so I should make it one way or another but that could be tempting fate!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 28, 2018, 14:30:57
    Twitter video of HEx passengers being evacuated onto the track and having to walk with their luggage to (I think) West Ealing:

    https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048 (https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 14:35:48
    Twitter video of HEx passengers being evacuated onto the track and having to walk with their luggage to (I think) West Ealing:

    https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048 (https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048)

    I really hope this isn’t the future of travelling in and out of Paddington that these two incidences last week and again today aren’t connected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on October 28, 2018, 14:55:38
    I really hope this isn’t the future of travelling in and out of Paddington that these two incidences last week and again today aren’t connected.

    Now I'd say that if these two incidents have a common cause, that's less of a problem - if the cause can be found and fixed. If there are two independent causes, that means two causes to find which must be harder.

    Of course the second one is probably a "normal" wire break, due to wear. That's worrying as condition monitoring ought to prevent it, but no doubt there's always a residual level of failures below which it will never go, and if this is one of those it's not a new thing to worry about.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on October 28, 2018, 15:20:28
    I made it as far as Slough on the 11.17 Mai to pad when everything ground to a halt.. Luckily at a station for me rather than stranded between stations like other trains. I was on my way to walk part of the capital ring which is one of my current walking projects.. Instead I made a quick change of plans and got the train to Windsor and walked back to Maidenhead from there.. I wonder if it will be sorted before tomorrow mornings commute..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 15:51:27
    Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 15:58:51
    Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.

    No surprises there!  Mind you, at least they now have 10 carriages in the main and wide platforms at Reading for passengers to circulate as best as possible.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:16:41
    Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.
    Yup, scene at Reading station a few minutes ago:

    https://twitter.com/kayles_e/status/1056579764234928128?s=21


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:35:59
    The BBC’s take on this afternoon’s major disruption:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46003096


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on October 28, 2018, 16:36:14
    I don’t think network rail will be recommending the poundland glue sticks they use to hold up the wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 16:42:27
    Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.
    Yup, scene at Reading station a few minutes ago:

    https://twitter.com/kayles_e/status/1056579764234928128?s=21

    It's probably only going to get worse too - anyone whose travelled from the Westcountry on a GWR cattle truck on a Sunday will know how hopelessly overcrowded they are and with everyone else added into the mix (+ luggage) and the end of the half term holidays it'll be dreadful.

    At least they seem to be running some local trains as far as Maidenhead - I'd suggest anyone going to Heathrow goes there and gets a cab (if they can't get on the railair bus - if that still runs?)

    Another dreadful day/advert for the railways


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 28, 2018, 16:46:22
    Looking at RTT, it would appear that 1A22 1453 BRI-PAD has just left RDG running 12 late so presumably the line's been reopened?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 16:52:30
    Quote
    No surprises there!  Mind you, at least they now have 10 carriages in the main and wide platforms at Reading for passengers to circulate as best as possible.
    {like}

    The trains may have 10 coaches, but platforms 4 to 6 from which they depart are not wide. Platform 4 in particular is narrow, and doesn't cope well when a Gatwick service arrives to disgorge its luggage laden passengers into another crowd of luggage laden passengers waiting on it for the next outward bound service - these trains really ought to run from Platform 7 which is nice and spacious.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:54:42
    Looking at RTT, it would appear that 1A22 1453 BRI-PAD has just left RDG running 12 late so presumably the line's been reopened?
    Yes I think a first train is running again between Reading and Paddington. How gutted would you be if you had just managed to squeeze onto a rammed Waterloo train only to watch a train leave for Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 16:59:23
    I got to Reading from Taunton, no announcements made on the train at all, unless of course the system was broken in my carriage. Decided to get off the train along with everyone else and head to the Waterloo platforms. That turned to be a mistake it was a zoo, no GWR staff in-sight and only the occasional - muffled - announcement as to what was going on.

    In the end I legged it to the Heathrow bus, thinking that if I could at least get to Heathrow I could ask the work travel agent to rebook me on a Heathrow flight rather than my original one from London City. Fortunately for me this is a work trip so I won’t lose out of it all goes wrong, apart from the waisted time of course.

    In the end got to Heathrow at 4pm, my flight from City is at 8pm am on the Underground into London.

    Not a good advert for the railways today. What really gets my goat is how the platform staff at Reading had all disappeared and basically left passengers to it. I realise that there’s Not much they they can do and they don’t want to get yelled at by angry passengers, but somebody (management?) should have been down there with a loud hailer explaining that no-one was going anywhere.

    Feel sorry for folks that had leisure plans trashed by this.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 17:00:30
    It's probably only going to get worse too - anyone whose travelled from the Westcountry on a GWR cattle truck on a Sunday will know how hopelessly overcrowded they are and with everyone else added into the mix (+ luggage) and the end of the half term holidays it'll be dreadful.

    At least they seem to be running some local trains as far as Maidenhead - I'd suggest anyone going to Heathrow goes there and gets a cab (if they can't get on the railair bus - if that still runs?)

    Another dreadful day/advert for the railways

    For sure it’s been another shockingly poor day for the railways. As you say Sundays heading back to London are a challenge when things are running normally due to overcrowding. The scenes this afternoon at Reading as all these trains emptied themselves leaving passengers to try and board a train to Waterloo just adds to the misery.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 17:02:30
    The trains may have 10 coaches, but platforms 4 to 6 from which they depart are not wide. Platform 4 in particular is narrow, and doesn't cope well when a Gatwick service arrives to disgorge its luggage laden passengers into another crowd of luggage laden passengers waiting on it for the next outward bound service - these trains really ought to run from Platform 7 which is nice and spacious.

    They are wide in comparison to the old Platforms 4a and 4b (especially at the far ends), with a reduction of clutter on the platform, such as vending machinges, which is what I was getting at.  They also have a much larger waiting area at the concourse end - the Twitter photo shows that being used to good effect.  Much better.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 17:08:27

    Not a good advert for the railways today. What really gets my goat is how the platform staff at Reading had all disappeared and basically left passengers to it. I realise that there’s Not much they they can do and they don’t want to get yelled at by angry passengers, but somebody (management?) should have been down there with a loud hailer explaining that no-one was going anywhere.

    Feel sorry for folks that had leisure plans trashed by this.

    Disappearing staff always seems to be a major failing at times of major disruption, be it at Paddington, Reading or wherever - as you say there should be managers setting an example and taking responsibility, but I'm sure there are others who, in the absence of trains running, could lend a hand.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 28, 2018, 17:17:47
    I was just watching the recovery of the 'service' on Open Train Times maps after todays problems and guess what advert popped up on the TV in the background...... :P


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 17:18:49
    Looks like trains are now getting through yet GWhelp are still advising people use Waterloo services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 28, 2018, 17:26:27
    Yes, another very poor performance.

    With this sort of thing likely to be a regular feature, there really needs to be some better contingency plans for when the wires come down.
    1) require that ALL new AC electric trains have a standby energy source, either batteries or a small diesel engine.
    2) provide a better walkway in the cess on busier routes to facilitate walking with luggage when this happens.
    3) When GWR services are SNAFU, run extra trains from Reading to Waterloo.

    Look at ways to speed up giving the authority to pass signals at danger.
    For example wires down or other c0ck up, train stuck in platform.
    Let passengers off, then get authority to pass signal at danger at WALKING SPEED so as to just clear the platform.
    The following train that would otherwise be held at the preceding signal, can then be given permission to pull forward, unload passengers in the platform.

    This would only be readily applicable on plain line, but could allow up to 3 trains to be unloaded at each platform instead of just one.

     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 28, 2018, 18:02:35
    It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

    Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on October 28, 2018, 18:24:00
    Copied from GWR Journey Check just now

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires earlier today between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon fewer trains are able to run.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on October 28, 2018, 18:27:03
    Copied from GWR Journey Check just now

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires earlier today between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon fewer trains are able to run.

    Didn't realise that there were overhead electric wires between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Puffing Billy on October 28, 2018, 19:15:54
    The information desk at Reading was conspicuously empty around 1300 today. In addition, the display boards are quite unhelpful when  it comes to anything other than a specific delay or cancellation. Could not the "Delayed" indication be followed by an optional line to say e.g. "Delayed between XXXX and XXXX"? Seeing the 1335 to Taunton "delayed", I assumed it had been stuck in the affected location and therefore might not arrive for hours, so I made the snap decision to make a beeline for the 1309 Swansea service and got reasonable connections at Swindon and Bristol TM. But they must have known sometime in advance that the train was not coming from London in the first place and instead would be started from Reading, so it would be helpful if they could say so.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: YouKnowNothing on October 28, 2018, 19:24:19

    Is the head span system due to be replaced? The 2 track issue goes back to my previous post about when will PAX be expecting to see a weekend without renewal or maintenance work going on?

    It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

    Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 19:26:17
    Quote
    They are wide in comparison to the old Platforms 4a and 4b (especially at the far ends), with a reduction of clutter on the platform, such as vending machinges, which is what I was getting at.  They also have a much larger waiting area at the concourse end - the Twitter photo shows that being used to good effect.  Much better.

    As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

    The former adequate platform signage was replaced by new smaller dot-matrix signs that are so far apart that even my quite good distance vision struggles to read when on much of the platform, compounded by the ones at the inner ends being half hidden behind a transverse beam, with the added problem that the curve on platform 5 means you cannot even see all the width of the half-hidden screen.

    Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

    When the reconstruction was underway, a member of staff told me not to worry, once the project was complete Gatwick trains would depart from the main platforms, which bearing in mind that we the taxpayers kindly spent (I guess) £100,000s on reopening the underpass seemed credible. However, we end up with those the industry is (presumably) trying to encourage to use this service having to struggle all the way down the length of platform 7 with their luggage, and if they have the misfortune to have a platform 4 departure experiencing the problem referred to in my last post. Even if they have a platform 5 or 6 departure, until recently early evening departures were often on a Turbo parked behind another adding further to the distance the poor traveler had to haul their luggage.

    Sadly, these are just some of the poorly thought out (from the passenger's point of view) ergonomic details that spoil the experience of using the new station, taking the edge off a project that was completed on time and within budget in a very challenging location. Perhaps there's a new thread looming here - Improving the Reading experience? - where issues such as the dreadful signage and inconvenient platform allocation and use, could be aired!

     

     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on October 28, 2018, 21:24:50
    All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

    What are they poking up into the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) these days?

    OTC


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Incider on October 28, 2018, 22:01:04

    All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

    What are they poking up into the OLE these days?

    OTC

    A 387 today.......   
     For years the wires only had light use, now the 387’s and 800’s are causing a significant increase in wear and tear.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: sikejsudjek3 on October 28, 2018, 22:45:57
    Not surprised the staff disappear when anything goes wrong, their managing director is leading from the front in this respect... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 22:55:03
    As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

    Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

    I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2018, 05:50:48
    Not surprised the staff disappear when anything goes wrong, their managing director is leading from the front in this respect... ::)


    …….but surely in order to disappear, firstly you have to appear?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on October 29, 2018, 07:52:58
    As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

    Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

    I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.


    Yes.  And before that the single, very exposed and narrow Platform 4A.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on October 29, 2018, 12:52:07
    All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.
    What are they poking up into the OLE these days?
    OTC

    Exploding pigeons ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 30, 2018, 06:56:32

    Is the head span system due to be replaced? The 2 track issue goes back to my previous post about when will PAX be expecting to see a weekend without renewal or maintenance work going on?

    It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

    Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


    I feel you will always see sections of the 4 track between Reading and Padd closed on Sundays for maintenance / renewals, week day and weekend nights just do not give enough time.



    All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

    What are they poking up into the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) these days?

    OTC

    A 387 today.......  
     For years the wires only had light use, now the 387’s and 800’s are causing a significant increase in wear and tear.

    There have been a few incidents involving the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) but as this used to only effect HEX and Connect most GWR passengers never noticed.

    Even with the low number of trains that used the first 12 miles originally in the last years gaining access to maintain the OLE in amongst the upgrade works would not have been easy, also the Route may have decided not to renew certain items due to planned project work.


    Also lets bare in mined the rip down the other week was not due to and OLE defect, it was caused by a train, I don't know what Sundays event was caused by it could be Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE), train or a bird strike (not birds are not members of the RMT  ;D  )

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 30, 2018, 08:30:40
    I heard on Sunday it was failure of a cross-span wire on the side of the structure where it connects to the counterweights.  That caused everything, including the contacts wires, to sag.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on October 31, 2018, 10:11:21
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    Quote from: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 07:26:17 pm
    As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

    Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

    I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.

    Point also taken that there is some more room, and what was a bad experience might have been worse, but the passenger experience, especially for the unfortunate ones who have done the right thing and decided to go to Gatwick by train via Reading remains poor. If II has colleagues who decide such things, please try to persuade them to put Gatwick semi-fasts on parts of the station that are convenient for lifts, changing platforms, etc etc. I fear that someone may have a mind set that still thinks these are Southern Region trains that should use Southern Region platforms!

    Even with the greater capacity, it is also clear that Reading remains a difficult interchange for large numbers of passengers when GWL closes east of Reading. Platforms 4-6 struggle with regular peaks during Royal Ascot and Welsh Rugby internationals at Twickenham, when special control arrangements are put in place. Presumably any use of the two connecting lines is stymied by capacity issues, train types not being cleared for use and the two different types of electricity supply.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 31, 2018, 13:27:34
    If II has colleagues who decide such things, please try to persuade them to put Gatwick semi-fasts on parts of the station that are convenient for lifts, changing platforms, etc etc. I fear that someone may have a mind set that still thinks these are Southern Region trains that should use Southern Region platforms!

    I think it's more a case of operational resiliance. You make a fair point that platform 7 has periods where it has quite large gaps in services, but there are fairly sound reasons why the majority use 4, 5 or 6.

    1)  Ideally you would want to avoid putting anything other than through services into through platforms, and most of the Gartick/Redhill services have layovers of between 10-15 minutes. 

    2)  When a train to Gatwick departing from platform 7 (or 8, 9 or 10) it blocks all arrivals from the Down Main Line whilst it heads to and through Reading New Junction.

    3)  Both departures and arrivals take longer to get from 7, 8, 9 or 10 to Reading Spur Junction with its 25mph speed restriction.

    4)  You can't get to or from Gatwick from platforms 11 or 12.

    5)  In the case of platforms 13, 14 an 15 they are already pretty well used.  If you use platform 15 you restrict the abillity for freight as well as the current xx:03 and xx:33 departures to Paddington that use it for most of the day clashing with the Gatwick/Redhill departure times of xx:04 and xx:32. 

    6)  13 and 14 are slightly less used currently, but either one is generally occupied from around xx:08 to xx:18 and xx:38 to xx:48, with usually a XC service every other hour occupying the 'B' end of either platform from xx:08 to xx:45.  That does give a little scope to put anything up to 5-cars in the 'A' end of one of the platforms at the times the Gatwicks/Redhill's would occupy them, but doesn't solve the problem with departure times clashing with those stoppers to Paddington from 15 which can't both depart at the same time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 05, 2018, 15:21:36
    I feel you will always see sections of the 4 track between Reading and Padd closed on Sundays for maintenance / renewals, week day and weekend nights just do not give enough time.

    25 years ago, when there hardly any trains to be had on any Sunday, it didn't matter so much.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 07, 2018, 07:22:59
    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and West Ealing


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and West Ealing fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or running non stop between London Paddington and Southall. Disruption is expected until 10:30 07/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 12, 2018, 06:36:19
    Due to a broken down train between Slough and Hayes & Harlington the line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:15 12/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 17, 2018, 09:51:41
    Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

    Is this a record?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 17, 2018, 09:54:01
    Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

    Is this a record?  :)

    Dunno - but it's a post that might be asking for trouble ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 22, 2018, 20:11:57
    Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

    Is this a record?  :)

    Dunno - but it's a post that might be asking for trouble ...


    I suppose I should post this for the record ...

    Quote
    A fault with the signalling system between Southall and London Paddington is causing disruption to and from London Paddington. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised.
    A normal service is expected to resume by 21:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 23, 2018, 10:22:54
    Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 23, 2018, 10:31:17
    Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.

    The inner Thames Valley infrastructure, where most of the problems seemed to lie, does seem to be generally more reliable recently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on November 23, 2018, 13:21:33
    Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.

    The inner Thames Valley infrastructure, where most of the problems seemed to lie, does seem to be generally more reliable recently.

    Is that because the crossrail team is not doing as much work to it and around it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: dviner on November 25, 2018, 00:24:39
    Really, it was from the 7th, as the 12th was a train failure...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 27, 2018, 07:26:31
    Due to an operational incident between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 09:00 27/11.
    Customer Advice:
    Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 27, 2018, 07:29:42
    Derailment on the Relief line at Hayes and Harrington, according to our TM.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 07:48:07
    I'm stuck between Hayes & Southall. The word is a driver went through a red signal & train derailed near West Ealing.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 27, 2018, 07:53:58
    TfL rail have tweeted that it's an empty passenger service that has derailed.
    Lots of ire directed at GWR and their 'operational incident'.

    [ Also reports of a lineside fire near Southall overnight ]


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 27, 2018, 08:19:11
    Fire was at West Coast's Southall depot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 08:22:04
    It was an empty train leaving West Ealing sidings.  Went past a red light and derailed on catch points.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 08:35:28
    TfL rail have tweeted that it's an empty passenger service that has derailed.
    Lots of ire directed at GWR and their 'operational incident'.

    [ Also reports of a lineside fire near Southall overnight ]

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Following an operational incident between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping has now reopened.

    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

    Customer Advice

    Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 08:50:01
    Fire was at West Coast's Southall depot.

    I had plenty of time to observe the aftermath this morning whilst stationary due to the derailment! Looks like one of the old carriages in their sidings was completely gutted.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on November 27, 2018, 09:01:25
    https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1067340871799119872?s=21

    Pictures tweeted by Network Rail (NR)

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 10:52:11
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    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

    Update

    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

    Last Updated:27/11/2018 10:16


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2018, 10:58:57
    It was an empty train leaving West Ealing sidings.  Went past a red light and derailed on catch points.

    Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 11:00:42
    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

    Update

    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

    Last Updated:27/11/2018 10:16

    So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 12:59:05
    Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o

     :-*

    So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?

    Knowing the driver concerned, who’s a thoroughly nice chap, I expect he will be absolutely gutted that he made a mistake.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 13:34:50
    Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o

     :-*

    So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?

    Knowing the driver concerned, who’s a thoroughly nice chap, I expect he will be absolutely gutted that he made a mistake.

    .....one would hope not as gutted as the aforementioned West Coast carriage.

    Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 27, 2018, 14:38:51
    Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

    And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 15:33:26
    Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

    And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.

    Hmmm ... Can't help wondering if this (and earlier cancellations) are from the same "operational incident" ... looks like 2 diagrams not running in the evening peak.

    Quote
    19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46
    19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46 will be cancelled.
    This is due to an operational incident.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 27, 2018, 15:43:25
    Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

    And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.

    Hmmm ... Can't help wondering if this (and earlier cancellations) are from the same "operational incident" ... looks like 2 diagrams not running in the evening peak.

    Quote
    19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46
    19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46 will be cancelled.
    This is due to an operational incident.

    Trains are being talked past one signal on the up relief so it may be a case of thinning out the service to reduce overall delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 16:13:28
    .......delays now back to 1830!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on November 27, 2018, 16:40:32
    A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 27, 2018, 17:58:31
    https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1067340871799119872?s=21

    Pictures tweeted by NR


    As this is a electric traction unit ……….. you could say the unit has a earth fault  ;D

    Derailment like this don't happen too often these days, used to be quite common in BR days. 

    Whilst this will lead to some disruption to passengers due to the unit not being available (for a while) at least the railways safety system protected everyone for serious injury … or worse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 18:02:40
    A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

    It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

    "Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2018, 18:06:09
    A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

    It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

    "Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?

    Thats a bit unfair TG.  We don't yet know the facts behind the derailment (there could be several reasons not of the drivers making).  When carrying out investigations into such incidents you are always taught 'never assume anything'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 18:23:17
    A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

    It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

    "Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?

    Thats a bit unfair TG.  We don't yet know the facts behind the derailment (there could be several reasons not of the drivers making).  When carrying out investigations into such incidents you are always taught 'never assume anything'.

    That's why I said "It would appear", rather than presenting it as a fact, but I do look forward to a statement from GWR confirming all the facts and what caused the SPAD.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 19:22:15
    The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

    The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 27, 2018, 22:44:07
    The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

    The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.

    Totally agree, i know how through these type of investigations are, the railway industry is constantly holding investigations into what some would say are minor events, although this is not minor but its not major either.


    If anyone is concerned about how safe the railways are then compare the railways with this sad event - https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/ (https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 28, 2018, 07:03:57
    The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

    The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.

    Totally agree, i know how through these type of investigations are, the railway industry is constantly holding investigations into what some would say are minor events, although this is not minor but its not major either.


    If anyone is concerned about how safe the railways are then compare the railways with this sad event - https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/ (https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/)

    All SPAD data is publicly available with a list of all SPAD's on the UK railway network since January 1985.  Nationally, this year, there has been about 260 Cat A SPADs. A Cat A's is generally down to driver error, low rail adhesion etc.  Of those 260 around 3 were deemed potentially severe in that it could have caused a collision.  The one at West Ealing yesterday would be deemed 'low risk'.  It was low speed in a siding, the train was derailed on a trap sending the train away from the mainline as it is designed to do.  Most SPAD's will go unnoticed by the travelling public, and that's not because they are covered up, nothing is covered up unlike they were in BR days.  Everything today is logged, the signalling equipment can be downloaded, there's CCTV and there's on train data recorders.  Most will go unnoticed because on a mainline a safety system will apply the trains brakes and bring the train to a stand probably nearly always within the safety overlap of a signal.  If a SPAD occurs then the train will be terminated at the next station and the driver will not be allowed to go any futher.  That will happen if you SPAD by 1cm or 1mile, they are all treated and investigation in the same manner.  If you activate a train safety system because the system thinks you will SPAD. ie. You're approaching a red signal too fast, even if you stops you before the red signal, you will still be investigated and as a driver, you will be grilled.  The outcome can be a formal warning, complete retraining, attending human factors courses, counselling right through to being sacked.   
    What caused most of the disruption at West Ealing was a signalling cable was cut by the derailed train and, in order to rerail it, they needed to isolate the overheard power lines.  If the train hadn't been derailed there would have been no disruption as a result of it. 
    260 Cat A sounds a lot, obviously you aim for 0 but drivers are human, they will make mistakes.  When you look at how many trains are operated nationally, both freight and passenger, 260 is a tiny percentage.  And, as with any incident on the railway, lessons are learnt and if procedures can be changed to prevent it happening again, they will.  Fatigue is one of the main things they look at.  Companies use a fatigue index calculator when it comes to rostering but if you work a lot of overtime you can easily breach it and you will get told so along with a polite suggestion to say you might want to think about taking your next rest days off.
    Ultimately, we are all human, we will make mistakes and it only takes a loss of concentration for a few seconds, distracted by something out of course and you've got a possible incident... the Swiss cheese model.  This is why we have safety systems as a backup, rarely needed, but they are there and, we've extensive and regular assessments, that's why we operate the safest railway system in the world. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Lee on November 28, 2018, 08:30:48
    Thanks for that, a-driver - It's really useful to have all of that information clearly explained in one place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 28, 2018, 14:23:21
    Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 28, 2018, 16:08:04
    Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.

    Easy to say, easy to ask for not always easy to achieve given the available real estate to place such items.

    There will always inevitably be some signalling, electrification assets in such areas, isolating the OLE is one thing that cannot be avoided and whilst section insulators and insulated overlaps are place to separate sidings and diverging lines there are again places where ideal placement cannot be achieved.


    Having worked on many HazId / HazOp panels the consequences against likelihood often produce a low risk; once in 25 years does not warrant a expenditure to avoid the risk


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 28, 2018, 16:47:33
    Yes, clearly the high cost of putting in trap points is justified by mitigating the potential consequences of a SPAD.  However, it may be that only a modest cost is involved in, say, moving the cable troughs a few metres.   And at Padd was there really no other option than to locate the trap points and OHLE mast (I don't know which was there first) such that the low speed SPAD in P1A by the ECS Turbo a couple of years ago brought down half the wires and caused huge disruption?

    With new installations/schemes there may be no or minimal costs involved in keeping S&T and OHLE clear of trap points.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on November 28, 2018, 17:42:13
    Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.

    That is true, They did just that in the 1960,s When Reading Panel was built, Some where by Goring they built a relay room at the end of a siding. In 1975 a light engine was signalled onto it, only that the driver thought he was on the relief line, only to smash through the stop block and into the relay room, It caused mayhem to a section of automatic signalling and my father was called to work at 4.20 in the morning to attend, When the signalman had a section of his panel suddenly turn all red. The section was hand signalled for about 4 weeks to allow for the room to be rebuilt.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 28, 2018, 18:22:24
    Yes, clearly the high cost of putting in trap points is justified by mitigating the potential consequences of a SPAD.  However, it may be that only a modest cost is involved in, say, moving the cable troughs a few metres.   And at Padd was there really no other option than to locate the trap points and OHLE mast (I don't know which was there first) such that the low speed SPAD in P1A by the ECS Turbo a couple of years ago brought down half the wires and caused huge disruption?

    With new installations/schemes there may be no or minimal costs involved in keeping S&T and OHLE clear of trap points.


    Not always that simple, the moving of it may but it closer to an open main running line and putting staff at risk when maintaining it or mean blocking the line to maintain it


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 30, 2018, 17:29:50
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between West Drayton and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:15 30/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 30, 2018, 17:53:49
    It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 18:31:36
    It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

    Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 30, 2018, 18:39:44
    It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

    Down main was open, but restricted to 20mph for electric trains (linespeed for diesel) unti examination has taken place.  Problem caused by an ADD (Automatic Dropping Device) activation on a Paddington-Swansea train, so might be spurious rather than any actual damage, but obviously needs to be checked and a line block has been taken whilst that is undertaken.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 19:17:50
    It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

    Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...

    Yep ... missed by a few minutes ... especially irritating because the 18:48 sits as Westbury for 10 minutes, and is timed for 75 mph stock I believe, but running with 90 m.p.h. stock.   Wouldn't have got in the way of the Bristolian tonight as that's 10 minutes late too ...

    If 5 minute connections at Swindon drop like flies ... perhaps it's time to allow longer there for connections.  Or time to make the incoming trains a bit more punctual  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on November 30, 2018, 22:31:48
    It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

    Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...

    Yep ... missed by a few minutes ... especially irritating because the 18:48 sits as Westbury for 10 minutes, and is timed for 75 mph stock I believe, but running with 90 m.p.h. stock.   Wouldn't have got in the way of the Bristolian tonight as that's 10 minutes late too ...

    If 5 minute connections at Swindon drop like flies ... perhaps it's time to allow longer there for connections.  Or time to make the incoming trains a bit more punctual  ;D

    Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next train? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 22:48:13
    Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next rain? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?

    My laptop is my mobile office.   You will find a post tomorrow that was written on the ffreezing platform at Chippenham tonight (I split the wait between Swindon and Chippenham).   And a good chance to think, chat, look around in research.

    What's a "pub"?  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 01, 2018, 12:34:15
    Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next rain? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?

    My laptop is my mobile office.   You will find a post tomorrow that was written on the ffreezing platform at Chippenham tonight (I split the wait between Swindon and Chippenham).   And a good chance to think, chat, look around in research.

    What's a "pub"?  ;D


    Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

    Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 01, 2018, 15:45:50
    Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

    Well ...

    Long wait on Chippenham Station. As it got colder, the gate line staff went off duty leaving the station unmanned, and asked me to leave the warmth of the waiting room so they could lock it up.   Ironic situation that the waiting room is closed at the colder time of day and when the gaps between trains are longer, isn't it?

    I took the view that standing my ground and creating a scene wasn't appropriate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on December 01, 2018, 17:49:49
    In my opinion Chippenham should not be left un-staffed that early in the evening, particularly on a Friday


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 01, 2018, 19:22:22
    Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

    Well ...

    Long wait on Chippenham Station. As it got colder, the gate line staff went off duty leaving the station unmanned, and asked me to leave the warmth of the waiting room so they could lock it up.   Ironic situation that the waiting room is closed at the colder time of day and when the gaps between trains are longer, isn't it?

    I took the view that standing my ground and creating a scene wasn't appropriate.


    I Took the view that Chippenham was a large important station and would have dispatch staff present, so waiting rooms would be open until midnight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 02, 2018, 07:09:05
    In my opinion Chippenham should not be left un-staffed that early in the evening, particularly on a Friday

    I Took the view that Chippenham was a large important station and would have dispatch staff present, so waiting rooms would be open until midnight.

    Follow up at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20776.0 - that's a new thread for "Transport Scholars" only as I want to avoid raising concerns in public when someone "in the know" may be able to re-assure me that I should not be concerned.

    Transport Scholars is open and available to any member of the forum on request.  We discuss things there at a deeper and hopefully dispassionate level.   Post volume is not high there, but the quality of the discussions is very high.  If you are a member not in that area, but would like to be, please ask me via personal message or email.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 02, 2018, 07:55:12
    Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.

    Basically yes, although like all claims if a contractor denies they caused the fault it can get very contractual.  Its not usually the first tier, principle contractor, that causes problems but the second or third tier sub contractors, although the first tier is the one that holds the liability with NR


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 03, 2018, 13:47:08
    Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.

    Basically yes, although like all claims if a contractor denies they caused the fault it can get very contractual.  Its not usually the first tier, principle contractor, that causes problems but the second or third tier sub contractors, although the first tier is the one that holds the liability with NR

    Thanks for the reply. Making me mad at the moment is those sticky things on the top of Tetley tea bags, they never seem to stick again. So if a firm does that they do get billed.
    I Don't suppose there is anything signal related that costs 4.99.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 04, 2018, 06:46:09
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bedwyn and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 04, 2018, 08:26:32
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/12.
    Customer Advice:
    A power trip is affecting the overhead cables at Hayes & Harlington. Network Rail engineers have turned off the power until the problem can be rectified.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 12, 2018, 08:52:28
    Due to a problem currently under investigation at Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 12/12.

    Edit: Unfortunately this is now updated to read:
    Due to a person being hit by a train at Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Edit2: Disruption now until 12:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2018, 11:23:29
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington bound local stopping.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:15 12/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2018, 12:33:23
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound local stopping is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:30 13/12.
    Last Updated:13/12/2018 12:29


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on December 17, 2018, 09:18:33
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 17/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 17, 2018, 19:41:25
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 17/12.

    We always seem to be getting this?. Crikey, must be costing Network Rail (NR) a fortune.

    Edit: VickiS - clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2018, 20:27:08
    Most instances are resolved pretty quickly, and without causing much disruption.  In this case a simple reset did the trick.  Useful to have a catalog of them on this thread though I suppose.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 18, 2018, 05:52:21
    Most instances are resolved pretty quickly, and without causing much disruption.  In this case a simple reset did the trick.  Useful to have a catalog of them on this thread though I suppose.


    I think the fact that these, and more dramatic (recent) issues with the overhead wires keep happening is more worrying than the fact that some of them are resolved quickly...….it was only a couple of months ago that Paddington was effectively shut for a day if you recall?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 18, 2018, 11:26:57
    I do recall.  That’s why I said ‘most instances’.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2018, 16:03:01
    Not great when the service is already a lot less than normal


    Alterations to services between Reading and Maidenhead


    Due to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/12.
    Further Information
    Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2018, 16:25:20
    Not great when the service is already a lot less than normal


    Alterations to services between Reading and Maidenhead


    Due to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/12.
    Further Information
    Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.

    Huzzah!

    Trains now running normally between Reading and Maidenhead


    Following a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is now open.
    Train services running to and from these stations are now running normally.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 28, 2018, 16:49:02
    Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.

    Circulate? Do they make small talk with strangers, whilst eating hors d'oeuvres?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 28, 2018, 18:28:48
    "circulate via XYZ" seems to be the favoured term these days, it has the merits of being vague and not promising anything in particular.
    Alternatives that give specific advice or instructions need too much thought.

    "Change at ABC for local buses" has the drawback that ABC might not be served by buses at the relevant time, or that tickets might not be accepted.
    "Change at DEF for London underground" has the drawback that the underground might be closed or on strike.
    "Change at west Worzleshire for cross country trains" looks a bit silly if west Worzleshire is not in fact served by cross country.

    But a simple "circulate via" avoids any such doubts, and can include walking, or giving up and going back to where you started, or doing something else instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 28, 2018, 19:39:47
    When there's disruption, information to use local buses when ticket acceptance is often provided (together with which numbers) when they are relevant, more so than in the past IMHO.  The same goes with the Tube or other TOC's.  However, in this case clearly the best advice was to go through to Slough and double back, especially, as TG's two posts illustrated, the disruption was short lived, actually only affecting two trains. 

    Though, for me, the word 'circulate' is a bit of a silly one to give to passengers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 29, 2018, 08:30:50
    Though, for me, the word 'circulate' is a bit of a silly one to give to passengers.

    I agree with the sense in having passengers  go through and return to get to their station when it's only open / there's only a train calling in one direction.  As well as at times of stress to the system (where the platform one direction is closed), it's allowed routinely under easements of routing for places where it makes journeys more practical - see via http://data.atoc.org/routeing-guide and search the easement list for places like Dilton Marsh and Pilning.

    But I struggle with what to call this for the public.    I too have some disquiet at the word "circulate". I too imagine passengers dressing finely and partaking of a cheese and wine party on the transfer bridge at Reading, mixing with GWR and Network Rail managers as they make an unexpected stop on their way home from London to Slough.    But all very easy to criticise - but what wording would be better??

    "Divert via" ... does not indicate the passage through the target station during the round(dish) trip, and I think there's a need for the passenger to be aware this will happen - otherwise the passenger will get concerned and may pull the emergency chain (or whatever it has been replaced with.

    "Circulate via" ... see my comments above

    "Reflect at" ... oh dear -  ;D - I can imagine the idea relaxation classes, meditation groups ....

    "passing through your planned destination to come back the other way" ... too long for short messages and CIS screens

    "Double Back at" is the wording used in the routing guide.   To me that's good, clear enough, and strikes me as a positive change from "circulate" - but would it be understood by the public?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 29, 2018, 08:55:52
    Perhaps "Travel via ..."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 29, 2018, 09:00:30
    Perhaps "Travel via ..."

    I have the same concern as with "divert via" ...
    "Divert via" ... does not indicate the passage through the target station during the round(dish) trip, and I think there's a need for the passenger to be aware this will happen - otherwise the passenger will get concerned and may pull the emergency chain (or whatever it has been replaced with.
    ... but what do others think?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 29, 2018, 09:25:56
    Perhaps "Travel via ..."

    "Travel via" is simplest, but doesn't quite work if you are not changing your route - for example having to go to change partway because no trains are currently stopping at your origin and destination. "Travel to xxx and change" is likely to cover most cases, and I'm sure I've heard it in the past. "Change" can be expanded to something explicit if need be.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jdw.wor on December 29, 2018, 16:59:01
    “Travel via and return to...........”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Richard Fairhurst on December 29, 2018, 18:56:15
    IIRC the French use "circuler" where we'd use "travel" (as in "passengers must travel via...") but also "run" ("no trains will run..."). I wonder if "circulate" is an inadvertent Gallicism?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 01:30:52
    Problem solved - teach everybody French, and then there will be no confusion! Simples!

    C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la gare.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2018, 02:33:04
    Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 13:10:25
    For some reason, All of the Cheltenham Spa trains to London Paddington have been cancelled, they are all terminating in Plat 1 at Swindon, and been replaced with a H.S.T.  set, No I.E.T. Sets, yet all other trains to London appear to be running.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 30, 2018, 15:26:32
    No trains to London (Paddington) are running today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 18:47:01
    Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)

    Priceless!

    Other helpful French phrases include:
    Avant garde - equivalent to DOO here.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eXPassenger on December 30, 2018, 20:24:12
    Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)

    Priceless!

    Other helpful French phrases include:
    Avant garde - equivalent to DOO here.

    This thread is getting like a version of 'I haven't a clue'.  Can we play Mornington Crescent across the GWR network?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 20:36:03
    Yes lets get back to reporting problems in the thames valley, now everyones ready to go back to work ,college.


    EDIT: Typos.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 20:38:07
    I am no longer at colledge, having acquired sufficient knowlege.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 20:45:47
    I am no longer at college, having acquired sufficient knowlege.

    Just refered to peoples everyday lives I suppose.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 20:54:07
    Just refered to peoples everyday lives I suppose.

    Exactly so, and Dispatch Box is absolutely right to abhor thread drift. For any members who nonetheless feel like playing (or not) something akin (or not) to Mornington Crescent (or not) but who doesn't currently possess a wireless, I have created a thread in the Lighter Side (or not).

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20885.msg255464#msg255464


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on January 07, 2019, 11:31:11
    Broken train at Twyford this morning about 9ish. Apparently due to malfunctioning cameras.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 07, 2019, 13:00:13
    Broken train at Twyford this morning about 9ish. Apparently due to malfunctioning cameras.

    There were a few this morning, 0642 Reading-Paddington was shortformed & was crammed to bursting by Hayes, apparently due to a fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on January 11, 2019, 08:14:37
    Same train short formed again this morning. 4 carriages so probably quite cosy even on a Friday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 11, 2019, 09:07:56
    Same train short formed again this morning. 4 carriages so probably quite cosy even on a Friday.

    Yep, I was on it, rammed after Hayes, people had trouble getting off at Ealing. Apparently an earlier train was shortformed too (neither listed on Journeycheck), which didn't help.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on January 11, 2019, 23:05:12
    07-45 ex-Goring also cancelled "due to fault on an earlier train".

    However plenty of unused Electrostars loafing around Reading Depot - is it that old "train fault" means "staff shortage" routine?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 12, 2019, 07:56:15
    07-45 ex-Goring also cancelled "due to fault on an earlier train".

    However plenty of unused Electrostars loafing around Reading Depot - is it that old "train fault" means "staff shortage" routine?


    In part yes, an "unused train" needs an unused driver which the TOC probably does not have many of them loafing about.  Sometimes its quicker for the passengers and less disruptive overall for the passengers effected by the failed train to wait for the next service than to try a slip in an "unused train" from the depot; it just does not seem that though to those directly involved


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on January 12, 2019, 19:25:48
    Not sure if its worth mentioning but there were some, somewhat significant, issues at Didcot East Junction today. Lots of trains queuing and several XC services passing through platform 1 at Didcot Parkway and reversing at Foxall Junction via the West Curve.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on January 12, 2019, 20:33:53
    Yes, my son was amongst them. An hour and a half late into Oxford having missed a cancelled service and then been held on the Down Relief at 903 for a line inspection, and then finally talked past 907 and 913 along with a queue of trains both in front and behind.  Watched it all unfold on OTT included the XC reversal at Foxall. Up Relief services ran fine so I am assuming that the down relief Avoiding Line points lost detection. Any news from the inside?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on January 12, 2019, 21:29:32
    It was reported on Radio Oxford travel news as a signalling problem between Didcot and Reading


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 16, 2019, 21:56:30
    Tweet just now from Dani Sinha of Channel 5 News:


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 16, 2019, 22:25:27
    Due to a problem with the 21:12 PAD-RDG shortly after it left London.  Power restored at 22:11 - with the 22:15 and 22:18 departures on the way on time, but failed train needs to be moved before full service can resume to normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 21, 2019, 09:04:43
    Hopefully a minor issue.....

    09:23 Reading to London Paddington due 10:08
    09:23 Reading to London Paddington due 10:08 will no longer call at Maidenhead and Slough.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 22, 2019, 20:12:32
    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:45 22/01.
    Additional Information
    Owing to a fault with the signalling system fewer trains are able to run on the line between Slough and Reading , passengers for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to Reading and change for a local stopping London bound service.
    Last


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 22, 2019, 22:47:22
    Owing to a fault with the signalling system fewer trains are able to run on the line between Slough and Reading , passengers for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to Reading and change for a local stopping London bound service.
    Last

    Change at Reading not Maidenhead? Are they allowing they allowing people to catch fasts to Reading?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 24, 2019, 07:28:17
    Alterations to services at Langley


    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Langley some lines towards Reading bound local stopping are disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed or running non stop between Ealing Broadway and Slough. Disruption is expected until 08:15 24/01


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 24, 2019, 10:58:32
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 24/01.

    Last Updated:24/01/2019 10:53


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 24, 2019, 11:18:48
    Been looking at Open train times and Realtime trains looks bad trains stuck at Platforms.

    711W 0716 Merehead Quarry to Acton T.C.  Went through platform 5 at Maidenhead and Platform 4 at Slough 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 24, 2019, 11:20:33
    Several cancellations of up trains are attributed as "due to a power supply failure (XK)", where XK is in the list of "EXTERNAL EVENTS - NETWORK RAIL: These codes cover events considered to be outside the control of the Rail Industry, but normally attributable to Network Rail under the Track Access Performance Regime".

    XK   External Power Supply Failure Network Rail Infrastructure   

    I assume that means failure of external power feeding Network Rail (NR), not failure of Network Rail (NR) infrastructure handling external power!

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 24, 2019, 11:29:06
    Several cancellations of up trains are attributed as "due to a power supply failure (XK)", where XK is in the list of "EXTERNAL EVENTS - NETWORK RAIL: These codes cover events considered to be outside the control of the Rail Industry, but normally attributable to Network Rail under the Track Access Performance Regime".

    XK   External Power Supply Failure Network Rail Infrastructure   

    I assume that means failure of external power feeding NR, not failure of NR infrastructure handling external power!

    Looks to be correct.  Information received that SSE are suspected of striking an external cable according to TyrellCheck.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 24, 2019, 12:13:38
    Disruption period now extended:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 15:00 24/01


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 24, 2019, 12:53:05
    Disruption period now extended:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until 15:00 24/01

    Power to signalling restored at 12:25, so trains now able to run again.  Will take a few hours for everything to get back into position of course, but evening peak should be largely unaffected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on January 24, 2019, 16:57:50
    Unusual for a provincial squirrel to get caught up in this kind of thing, but today I did!

    I arrived at Paddington in very good time for the 12.45 to Bristol Parkway, to be told that it could be 4-5 hours before trains were running and my best bet was to nip across to Waterloo and get to Reading that way; all tickets (I had an Advance single) would be honoured. At Waterloo I was waved through onto Platform 21; this was all rather exciting for me as I'd not seen the old International Terminal from the inside before. The bloke on the gateline pointed out that it would take an hour an twenty minutes to get to Reading on this train, but I was rather invested in this option by now and in any case that sounded better than several hours at Paddington, so I pressed on. I will admit that by the time I got to Martins Heron the novelty of this route to Reading was starting to wear thin...

    We rolled into Platform 6 at Reading just before 13.12, which coincidentally was the same time that the Bristol Parkway train was due to leave. I'm not good at running, so I sort of half-heartedly hastened over to Platform 14 fully expecting to see my train pull out (or at least lock its doors), but someone made a very sensible decision and held it for five or so minutes, this allowing a large number of people time to get on. Full marks to GWR for doing the right thing!

    The Train Manager reassured us that we'd make up at least some of this time by Swindon, but near Didcot we slowed right down and reverted to diesel power, ambling most of the way to Swindon and adding seven minutes to the deficit. I changed at Parkway, catching a slightly late Weymouth train to Stapleton Road, where I crossed over for the Avonmouth train, which, I am delighted to say, was bang on time!

    All in all, I was left with the impression that railway staff dealt with a difficult situation very well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 24, 2019, 17:03:02
    You were in good company according to this rather badly written article in the Swindon Advertiser

    Quote
    The Duchess of Cornwall is running late to her Swindon visit because of problems on the trains.

    There are signalling problems between Paddington and London meaning services are being hit.

    Youngsters at North Swindon Library are looking forward to meeting HRH Camilla Parker Bowles, though they'll have to wait a bit longer as an apparent lack of train services running from Paddington has caused a 20-minute delay.

    Her Royal Highness is expected to make up the time by being driven to Swindon right now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on January 24, 2019, 17:29:45
    Blimey! It must be safe to assume that the Adver no longer bothers to employ any sub-editors.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Celestial on January 24, 2019, 18:09:22
    Blimey! It must be safe to assume that the Adver no longer bothers to employ any sub-editors.

    Maybe the Advertiser got one of the nine years old she was meeting to draft the piece.  No, come to think of it, they would probably have done better than that.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on January 24, 2019, 19:03:30
    Her Royal Highness is expected to make up the time by being driven to Swindon right now.

    I hope she didn't ask her father-in-law for a lift...  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 28, 2019, 11:42:48
    Quote
    Delays to services between Twyford and Reading

    Following a points failure between Twyford and Reading some lines towards Reading have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 11:45 28/01.
    Last Updated:28/01/2019 11:34

    I don't know how disruptive this was but National Rail Enquiries still showing some minor delays at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 28, 2019, 12:36:47
    Unusual for a provincial squirrel to get caught up in this kind of thing, but today I did!
    ...

    All in all, I was left with the impression that railway staff dealt with a difficult situation very well.

    People pay good money for trips like the, RS. Sounds like a grand day out!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 28, 2019, 19:51:24
    Mean while yesterday on the M25 some friends of mine remained stationary for 3 hours ……………. no announcements given, no means of claiming compensation
    Is rail travel so bad?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Celestial on January 28, 2019, 19:58:47
    Mean while yesterday on the M25 some friends of mine remained stationary for 3 hours ……………. no announcements given, no means of claiming compensation
    Is rail travel so bad?

    The difference is there is someone to blame, so people inevitably do. I do hope they weren't on their way to one of the airports.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 28, 2019, 23:38:12
    Mean while yesterday on the M25 some friends of mine remained stationary for 3 hours ……………. no announcements given, no means of claiming compensation
    Is rail travel so bad?


    A contact of mine wrote there was "no end in sight" ... but then that's what you get from a circular motorway!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 30, 2019, 13:46:03
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound high speed is closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:15 30/01.

    Customer Advice
    Owing to a points failure in the Southall area all services from London Paddington towards Hayes & Harlington (and West thereof) will have to share the line normally utilised by local stopping services which is likely to result in delay.

    Last Updated:30/01/2019 13:24

    National Rail Enquiries showing a number of "delayed" services at Reading at present.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 30, 2019, 14:15:01
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound high speed is closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:15 30/01.

    Customer Advice
    Owing to a points failure in the Southall area all services from London Paddington towards Hayes & Harlington (and West thereof) will have to share the line normally utilised by local stopping services which is likely to result in delay.

    Last Updated:30/01/2019 13:24

    National Rail Enquiries showing a number of "delayed" services at Reading at present.

    NRE now saying delays/cancellations until 1530


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 30, 2019, 14:41:23
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound high speed is closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:15 30/01.


    NRE now saying delays/cancellations until 1530

    Now cleared according to JourneyCheck

    Quote
    Following a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound high speed has now reopened.

    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 15:00 30/01.

    A couple of significant delays including the 13:03 Paddington to Plymouth which was stationary for about an hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 31, 2019, 07:31:47
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a points failure at Iver the line towards Reading bound local stopping is blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:15 31/01.
    Train services between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed or revised.
    Customer Advice
    Southall, Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley: Local stopping line to Reading closed.

    Trains from London Paddington, travelling towards Slough and Reading, are unable to call at Southall, Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley.

    Customers travelling from London Paddington and Ealing Broadway for intermediate stations should travel to Slough and circulate for Paddington bound services which are calling as normal.

    Passengers from intermediate stations between Ealing Broadway and Slough wishing to travel towards Slough and Reading should catch services towards Ealing Broadway or London Paddington and circulate there for services towards Reading


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 01, 2019, 08:08:33
    Slackers!  ;)

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to severe weather preventing train crew getting to work between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some local stopping lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 01/02


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on February 01, 2019, 08:14:54
    GWR Web site appears to be struggling as well although when I checked at 5.30 this morning there were already lots of cancelled trains.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2019, 15:29:52
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:15 06/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 21, 2019, 14:14:30
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Acton Main Line

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Acton Main Line fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/02.

    Last Updated:21/02/2019 14:10

    A fair number of delays showing at Reading at the moment consistent with the JourneyCheck estimate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on February 21, 2019, 17:11:13

    15 days between posts under this heading!

    Spring has arrived.

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on February 21, 2019, 18:39:17

    15 days between posts under this heading!

    Spring has arrived.

    OTC

    And we know what follows spring !
    The season of speed restrictions due to high rail temperatures, clogged radiators on trains, broken air conditioning, barbecues, staff shortages, and overcrowding caused by passengers taking holidays at holiday times.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 21, 2019, 22:58:36
    It’s not infrastructure just general shite.  After cancelling the 22.20ish LTV trains a 2 car service arrived at 22.50. So that’s 12 maybe 16 cars in to 2. We’ll done.

    Naturally there were no GWR staff at Paddington to assist. Not one.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 21, 2019, 23:23:39
    It’s not infrastructure just general shite.  After cancelling the 22.20ish LTV trains a 2 car service arrived at 22.50. So that’s 12 maybe 16 cars in to 2. We’ll done.

    Naturally there were no GWR staff at Paddington to assist. Not one.

    Would you say things have generally been better of late, Nick?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 21, 2019, 23:47:16
    I travel outside of peak less frequently than I used to so cannot comment on frequency of incident. What I can say is that the absence of staff (and that is absence, not just shortage) at Paddington remains a disgrace.
    16 or 12 carriages into 2 is shocking consideration for paying passengers whenever it occurs.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 22, 2019, 00:32:10
    16 or 12 carriages into 2 is shocking consideration for paying passengers whenever it occurs.

    Indeed - provide that there were more than (say) 100 passengers total and less than (say) a 15 minute delay to anyone's journey.  I suspect that neither of these conditions of acceptability was met.

    Is this related, or another incident?

    Quote
    Fri, 22 February 02:24 Reading to London Paddington due 03:15
    22/02/19 02:24 Reading to London Paddington due 03:15 will be cancelled.

    This is due to a shortage of train crew.
    Further Information
    Customers are requested to wait for road transport in the designated road replacement areas. Customers are advised that buses will run later that than the advertised train times due to line of route and additional time required for loading and unloading.

    Quote
    Fri, 22 February 03:34 London Paddington to Reading due 04:28
    22/02/19 03:34 London Paddington to Reading due 04:28 will be cancelled.
    This is due to a shortage of train crew.
    Further Information
    Customers are requested to wait for road transport in the designated road replacement areas. Customers are advised that buses will run later that than the advertised train times due to line of route and additional time required for loading and unloading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on February 22, 2019, 09:45:50

    15 days between posts under this heading!

    Spring has arrived.

    OTC

    There's still been general annoyances like short formed turbos and IETS along with the usual 5-10 minute delay but they don't seem worth posting.

    Have things improved? A bit but I've been sticking to a couple of regular trains that generally run if over crowded. I've also started working from home more as the commute just depresses me. So there is an improvement but my confidence in the service remains low.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on February 26, 2019, 15:56:54
    Thames Valley Infrastructure delays are back:

    A reduced Great Western Railway service will run to and from London Paddington between 16:00 and 20:00 today due to a points failure in the Ladbroke Grove area. Trains may be cancelled or revised.
    17:18 London Paddington Bedwyn will be started from Reading
    17:38 Bedwyn London Paddington will be terminated at Reading
    19:06 London Paddington Bedwyn will be started from Reading
    16:09 London Paddington Maidenhead is cancelled
    17:57 London Paddington Reading is cancelled
    16:56 London Paddington Maidenhead is cancelled
    17:42 Maidenhead London Paddington is cancelled
    18:42 London Paddington Reading is cancelled
    19:52 Reading London Paddington is cancelled

    Although I notice that the 1P36 1522 Worcester SH - Paddington will be cancelled at Oxford, although of course that maybe for a different reason.

    Maybe due to the hot February weather ;D ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on February 27, 2019, 11:02:17
    Maybe due to the hot February weather ;D ;D ;D

    Wrong kind of sunshine.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on February 27, 2019, 17:38:17
    Warm enough for a barbecue ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CMRail on February 27, 2019, 23:23:14
    Warm enough for a barbecue ;D

    Could have had one on the boiling IET I was on earlier - the driver saw the forecast for rain on sunday it seems!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2019, 05:51:12
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 06:00 07/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 07, 2019, 16:18:54
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Newbury Racecourse fewer trains are able to run on all lines. Disruption is expected until 16:45 07/03.
    Impact: Train services between Reading and Newbury may be cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 07, 2019, 16:27:56
    One 387 was stranded at Newbury and iwas rescued by a Class 57 from the sleeper stock.  Turbos now being put out to run the Newbury to Reading stopping service.

    Through services from the West of England not affected - either HSTs or IETs able to run on diesel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 07, 2019, 19:43:57
    This new Overhead Line Equipment (OHLE) seems to be suffering from a lot of faults.  Thought it was supposed to be more robust than the 'old' BR stuff..... ::)


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2019, 10:09:19
    Few of these today I reckon?

    Cancellations to services between Bedwyn and Newbury


    Due to a tree blocking the railway between Bedwyn and Newbury the line is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 10/03.
    Last Updated:10/03/2019 10:04


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 10, 2019, 10:26:25
    Few of these today I reckon?

    Indeed - earlier ones at Totnes and along the seawall between Parsons Tunnel and Teignmouth station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on March 10, 2019, 10:44:26
    Tree down in a park in Chard too.

    Not affecting any railway though!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 10, 2019, 11:02:21
    Tree down in a park in Chard too.

    Not affecting any railway though!

    I trust you weren't climbing it at the time?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 10, 2019, 11:04:38
    Tree down in a park in Chard too.

    Not affecting any railway though!

    I trust you weren't climbing it at the time?

    Probably why it came down  ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on March 10, 2019, 20:27:19
    Tree down in a park in Chard too.

    Not affecting any railway though!

    I trust you weren't climbing it at the time?

    Or that Finn was making use of it at the time?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 12, 2019, 16:55:46
    Due to failure of the electricity supply at London Paddington some lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:45 12/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: johoare on March 12, 2019, 17:44:30
    Latest Update:

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Following failure of the electricity supply between London Paddington and Slough some lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 12/03.
    Customer Advice
    London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Buses are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Reading and London Waterloo in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Last Updated:12/03/2019 17:39


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2019, 05:49:17
    3 hours Ealing Broadway - Taplow last night via District Line/Picadilly Line/81 bus from Hounslow/severely delayed train at Slough.

    Not great but TfL seem to have got their act together at Ealing - nearly all staff were on the platform and there seemed to be a plan - they all had tablets and were able to look up details, give people travel advice and alternative arrangements very quickly whether by bus/tube or whatever - none of the gaping mouthed hopelessness and gazing at blank screens that you tend to get at Paddington (if you can find someone to help).

    Got back to Slough at about 1915 to find that most of the staff had "done a Hopwood" - few or any to be seen and a lot of confusion - trains arriving randomly with no-one around to advise people where they were stopping, display screens not making sense, etc etc. Eventually got on the 1903 which arrived about 35 minutes late but I was one of the lucky ones.

    Off to Preston today via Euston/Storm Gareth - could be interesting!!!  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 13, 2019, 14:42:46
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway

    Due to a problem with line-side equipment between Oxford and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/03.

    I've noticed a couple of trains from Oxford arriving at Reading over half an hour late, and a number of Didcot/Oxford Oxford/Didcot services have been cancelled.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on March 14, 2019, 15:30:15

    Off to Preston today via Euston/Storm Gareth - could be interesting!!!  :o

    Not my favourite northern city, although I lived not far away, and saw Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, Gong, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Sensational Alex Harvey Band, and a few others, and ended up boozing with Yes and David Byron.

    Actually, I quite like Preston.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 14, 2019, 15:31:54
    I would suggest it’s the armpit of Lancashire, but there’s no shortage of competition!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on March 14, 2019, 15:50:43
    It does have an architecturally stunning bus station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: patch38 on March 14, 2019, 16:07:00
    ...and a fantastic reputation thanks to the association to a well-known joke about the two deaf men in the pub.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on March 14, 2019, 18:41:15
    I would suggest it’s the armpit of Lancashire, but there’s no shortage of competition!

    We Lancastrians like to keep [the impression] it that way. We know that a mile away from those Dark Satanic Mills there lies some of the finest and most beautiful country in England!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on March 14, 2019, 21:44:29
    Quote
    We Lancastrians like to keep [the impression] it that way. We know that a mile away from those Dark Satanic Mills there lies some of the finest and most beautiful country in England!

    It's called Yorkshire! ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 15, 2019, 09:15:27
    Due to an obstruction on the track at Slough:
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:45 15/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2019, 10:37:36
    At least now we know why the infrastructure is suffering.  Network Rail have allowed GWR to increase the number of trains running by 10,000 per day since 2012...

    Article here:
    Quote
    So far in 2019 delays are at their lowest for seven years and Great Western Railway (GWR) has seen its highest ever number of services running on time, with over 108,000 trains arriving on time with an additional 10,000 services running each day compared with 2012.
    https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/passengers-benefitting-from-more-reliable-railway-as-train-performance-reaches-seven-year-high?fbclid=IwAR3TqP6mseiIDNAdnV6uL4LIaax7ii5XSU4UL7lLKAjVlUH6KW7tdVYOZTg#

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on March 15, 2019, 12:46:46
    I see they are making that claim AGAIN about Bristol being the biggest resignalling scheme ever undertaken.... ::)

    .....and if they were honest enough, they should state that train performance couldn't have got much worse without bringing the network to a complete standstill.  The only way out of that is of course to get better so no reason to bleat about it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 15, 2019, 16:19:00
    At least now we know why the infrastructure is suffering.  Network Rail have allowed GWR to increase the number of trains running by 10,000 per day since 2012...

    Article here:
    Quote
    So far in 2019 delays are at their lowest for seven years and Great Western Railway (GWR) has seen its highest ever number of services running on time, with over 108,000 trains arriving on time with an additional 10,000 services running each day compared with 2012.
    https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/passengers-benefitting-from-more-reliable-railway-as-train-performance-reaches-seven-year-high?fbclid=IwAR3TqP6mseiIDNAdnV6uL4LIaax7ii5XSU4UL7lLKAjVlUH6KW7tdVYOZTg#

    Paul

    Now reads:
    Quote
    So far in 2019 delays are at their lowest for seven years and Great Western Railway (GWR) has seen its highest ever number of services running on time, with over 108,000 trains arriving on time with an additional 10,000 services running compared with 2012.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2019, 17:51:58
    ^^
    Odd that they haven’t altered it to “each year” now, which is probably far more logical and sensible...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 15, 2019, 18:34:09
    Not sure I understand the 10,000 extra services per day - that's around 400 extra services per hour (ignoring its not really a 24 hour service and Sundays).

    That seems a lot of extra trains that I've not really noticed on my route. Has somewhere else had a huge number of extra trains?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 15, 2019, 22:34:32
    ^^
    Odd that they haven’t altered it to “each year” now, which is probably far more logical and sensible...

    Paul

    Maybe, but is that what they meant? I read the wording to refer to 2019 up to a little before the statement date (14 March). If 90% of trains are on time, and that's 108,000 there would be 120,000 trains in that period. That's about right, but sounds a bit high to me: I can find a GWR document from last year that talks about 9,000 trains per week, which is only 90,000 (ten weeks). And adding only 10,000 since 2012 doesn't look such a lot either.

    But then the definition of a "service" (aka a train) has a certain fuzziness to it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2019, 22:52:10
    ^^
    Odd that they haven’t altered it to “each year” now, which is probably far more logical and sensible...

    Paul

    Maybe, but is that what they meant? I read the wording to refer to 2019 up to a little before the statement date (14 March). If 90% of trains are on time, and that's 108,000 there would be 120,000 trains in that period. That's about right, but sounds a bit high to me: I can find a GWR document from last year that talks about 9,000 trains per week, which is only 90,000 (ten weeks). And adding only 10,000 since 2012 doesn't look such a lot either.

    But then the definition of a "service" (aka a train) has a certain fuzziness to it.
    You may be right, I must admit I didn’t think much further than day, week, month, etc.  But in 10 weeks or so, let’s say a 1000 extra services a week - it still seems very high, even taken incrementally since 2012. I can’t remember many new regular all day services. But then again perhaps they’ll count a service each way separately.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 16, 2019, 07:26:57
    ^^
    Odd that they haven’t altered it to “each year” now, which is probably far more logical and sensible...

    Paul

    Maybe, but is that what they meant? I read the wording to refer to 2019 up to a little before the statement date (14 March). If 90% of trains are on time, and that's 108,000 there would be 120,000 trains in that period. That's about right, but sounds a bit high to me: I can find a GWR document from last year that talks about 9,000 trains per week, which is only 90,000 (ten weeks). And adding only 10,000 since 2012 doesn't look such a lot either.

    But then the definition of a "service" (aka a train) has a certain fuzziness to it.
    You may be right, I must admit I didn’t think much further than day, week, month, etc.  But in 10 weeks or so, let’s say a 1000 extra services a week - it still seems very high, even taken incrementally since 2012. I can’t remember many new regular all day services. But then again perhaps they’ll count a service each way separately.

    Paul

    I have been having a "play" with numbers too - and I am inclined to think we're looking at the 10 weeks since the star t of the year.   And I can find you some extra trains since 2012.   Starting (as I usually do  ;D ) with the TransWilts,  services up from 27 to 117 per week - there's 900 extra of your 10,000.  Then the extra services from Exeter to Paignton introduced at the same time; I don't have the number of new runs there but that's another chunk.  Paddington to Oxford local services now terminating at Didcot and extra trains every half hour on to Oxford - that's going to be several thousand more services running.  Aren't there inner extra locals running from Paddington to the bay at Hayes and Harlington (no loss of train numbers Paddington to Greenford as the number remain the same on the branch - just don't go as far)...

    Counting the number of trains running by the number of head codes in the system for GWR passenger trains in ten weeks (in some cases (Didcot split, West Ealing changes)  that measures the operational change and not really the passenger benefit) and to me the numbers look like they fit the story.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on March 16, 2019, 12:52:23
    Splitting the Greenfords and Running 2 tph to Hayes instead can perhaps reasonably be counted as introducing a “new service” because between West Ealing and Hayes it is new, but splitting Paddington to Oxford stoppers at Didcot is a fudge to deal with electrification issues, and AFAICT doesn’t actually give anyone an extra service. 

    As a comparison with the Hayes/Greenford changes, SWR are about to split their Guildford to Ascot service at Aldershot, with an extension of the Guildford portion to Farnham. (May 19.) Analysis elsewhere suggests that service split isn’t included in their publicised total number of 300 additional services per week, because on its own their new 2 tph Guildford <> Farnham via Aldershot service would be about 300 per week anyway...

    Paul



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 19, 2019, 07:20:19
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident near the railway between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines are closed.
    Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or diverted. Disruption is expected until 08:30 19/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 19, 2019, 08:12:30
    Lines reopened just before 8am.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 19, 2019, 08:32:24
    Lines reopened just before 8am.

    Not according to Journeycheck

    Cancellations to services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway


    Following the emergency services dealing with an incident near the railway between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines will be reopened shortly.
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 09:30 19/03.

    Last Updated:19/03/2019 08:25


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 19, 2019, 08:42:06
    The 07:30 from Paddington to Penzance, which was going to be diverted via the Berks & Hants, was briefly held at Reading before being sent booked route and called at Swindon around 4 minutes later than scheduled at 08:28.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 19, 2019, 10:57:32
    Sadly, the emergency services were dealing with a body which was found lineside near Uffington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 19, 2019, 11:02:14
    Not Thames Valley - but now another incident at Hele & Bradninch crossing between Taunton and Exeter St Davids.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on March 19, 2019, 12:18:05
    Lines reopened just before 8am.

    I was at Didcot Parkway at 8:40 and all the screens were saying that the lines were still blocked but would reopen shortly. And all the trains going west were still shown as Cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 19, 2019, 12:20:35
    Noted - but the 07:30 from Paddington doesn't usually call at Didcot anyway.  It passed Tilehurst at 08:04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 23, 2019, 20:20:09
    Quote
    Alterations to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or running non stop between Maidenhead and Slough. Taplow and Burnham will not be served. Disruption is expected until 22:30 23/03.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 24, 2019, 06:28:26
    Carrying on today....all day.....and further West too....any idea what's going on?

    Alterations to services between Reading and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or running non stop between Maidenhead and Slough. Burnham will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 25, 2019, 07:45:55
    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a broken down train between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 25/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 25, 2019, 11:55:33
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:30 25/03.

    Customer Advice
    Trains from Didcot Parkway travelling towards Reading & London Paddington, are currently unable to call at Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne and Tilehurst.

    Last Updated:25/03/2019 11:46


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on March 25, 2019, 13:16:56
    Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway


    Due to a broken down train between Hayes & Harlington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 25/03.

    This was a freight train rather than GWR (according to our Train Manager)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on March 26, 2019, 13:53:54
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Maidenhead and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 26/03.

    Customer Advice
    Trains from London Paddington, travelling towards Reading, are unable to call at Burnham or Taplow...

    Last Updated:26/03/2019 13:08


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 26, 2019, 15:22:05
    Not a good day for LTV

    Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading
    Due to a broken down train between Slough and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:00 26/03.

    ustomer Advice
    Trains from Slough, travelling towards Reading, are unable to call at Burnham, Taplow, Maidenhead or Twyford. Customers travelling from these stations towards Reading are advised to catch a train service to Slough and change there, where train services towards Reading (and beyond) are available. Customers travelling to Burnham, Taplow, Maidenhead or Twyford from stations London Paddington to Slough (inclusive) will need to travel through to Reading and then back by a London bound train service from there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 26, 2019, 15:34:46
    Broken down engineering train at Twyford.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 26, 2019, 20:19:26
    The earlier problems between Maidenhead and Reading were caused by a broken rail at Ruscombe.

    The freight train broke down between Twyford Station and the junction at Twyford West.  Stopping trains were crossed over at Twyford East (the crossover that used to be used by peak hour trains from London heading for the Henley branch).  Despite running through platform 4 at Twyford they didn’t stop.  I assume that’s because the selective door opening isn’t programmed for that platform and some trains in the peak would be too long.

    Several long distance trains called at platform 1 at Twyford to cater.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 29, 2019, 14:32:04
    LTVs very poor week continues...…….must be the searingly hot temperatures outside I guess?  ::)


    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading

    Due to a points failure between Slough and Reading some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 29/03.
    Customer Advice
    Owing to a points failure at Maidenhead there are only 2 out of the 4 running lines available for use between Maidenhead and Twyford. As a result Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow and Burnham stations will see a reduction in the frequency of train services which call at those stations.

    Delays to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to a points failure at Didcot Parkway:
    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:00 29/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on March 29, 2019, 17:53:43
    Speed restriction at Hanwell due to track fault.
    Currently around a 30 minute delay due to all the inbounds to Paddington being delayed both in and out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 29, 2019, 18:19:00
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading bound high speed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:30 29/03.
    Last Updated:29/03/2019 18:15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 29, 2019, 18:45:27
    Train manager on the delayed 17.07 also announced a points failure near Swindon and suspected trespasser at West Ealing.
    Still only about 30 mins late home so could have been worse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 03, 2019, 07:09:40
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Slough:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 03/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on April 05, 2019, 08:29:43
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 05/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on April 05, 2019, 09:32:58
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 05/04.

    Now expected until 10:30, the signalling system at Didcot has recently become unreliable this is probably the 4th or 5th time there has been an issue over the last few weeks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on April 05, 2019, 21:52:39
    I was caught up in the problems this morning. 52 minutes late into PAD. Didn't help when we got away from Didcot they sent us right behind a local up the relief.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 16, 2019, 07:00:09
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 16/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 16, 2019, 07:52:02
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 16/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 16, 2019, 09:17:53
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 16/04.

    Now pushed out to 10:15


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2019, 05:03:47
    2nd day running in the morning peak.......

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington has now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:00 17/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2019, 21:05:30
    Alterations to services between Newbury and Reading
    Due to a problem with line-side equipment between Newbury and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 22:00 17/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2019, 16:21:55
    Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


    Due to a points failure between Maidenhead and Slough the London Paddington bound high speed line is closed.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:15 20/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 27, 2019, 12:33:03
    Alterations to services between Slough and Reading
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Reading. Disruption is expected until 13:00 27/04.
    Further Information
    Customers travelling to Burnham or Taplow from stations London Paddington to Slough (inclusive) will need to travel through to Reading and then back by a London bound train service from ther


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 28, 2019, 15:01:45
    Currently nothing moving between Ealing Broadway and Slough in both directions due to a fire involving gas cylinders at West Drayton.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 28, 2019, 16:06:20
    Currently nothing moving between Ealing Broadway and Slough in both directions due to a fire involving gas cylinders at West Drayton.

    Latest update.....

    Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and Slough
    Due to a fire on property near the railway between Ealing Broadway and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/04.
    Customer Advice
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Reading in both directions until further notice.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Basingstoke in both directions until further notice.
    Transport for London are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Basingstoke and Banbury in both directions until further notice.
    West Midlands Railway are conveying passengers between Hereford and Birmingham New Street in both directions until further notice.
    Virgin Trains West Coast are conveying passengers between Birmingham New Street and London Euston in both directions until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 28, 2019, 16:50:29
    Latest:

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 28, 2019, 16:57:39
    London Fire Brigade say they have 10 pumps and 70 firefighters at the incident.

    https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/incidents/2019/april/fire-at-a-container-storage-yard-west-drayton/ (https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/incidents/2019/april/fire-at-a-container-storage-yard-west-drayton/)

    Quote
    Ten fire engines and around 70 firefighters have been called to a fire at an old coal depot in Tavistock Road in West Drayton.

    A container, an industrial conveyor belt, 15 vans and three articulated lorries are currently alight.

    Station Manager Jon Holt, who is at the scene, said: "The fire is very visible and is producing a lot of smoke. Residents and businesses in the area should keep their windows and doors shut and drivers should avoid the area if possible."

    The Brigade’s 999 control officers have taken more than 55 calls to the fire. Around 15 people left the yard before the arrival of the Brigade. There are no reports of any injuries.

    The Brigade was called at 1416. Fire crews from Hillingdon, Heathrow, Feltham and other surrounding fire stations are at the scene.

    The cause of the fire is not known at this stage.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 28, 2019, 17:36:55
    Lines re-opened at 17:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2019, 13:38:12
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or running non stop. Some stations between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 15:00 14/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on May 14, 2019, 15:54:12
    No idea how significant the disruption but, for the record:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between West Drayton and Slough

    Due to a points failure between West Drayton and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 14/05.

    Last Updated:14/05/2019 15:11


    Alterations to services at Slough

    Due to a points failure at Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 14/05.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a problem with a section of track near Slough it has become necessary to revise the calling points of certain stopping services...

    Last Updated:14/05/2019 15:47


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on May 23, 2019, 19:43:14
    20+ minute delays Paddington to Reading due to points failure


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 24, 2019, 11:14:24
    20+ minute delays Paddington to Reading due to points failure

    Caught the 21:12 no delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 06:27:38
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 07:46:10
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/05.

    Cancellations and disruption now expected until midday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 16:02:54
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/05.

    Cancellations and disruption now expected until midday.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 28/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on May 28, 2019, 16:07:24
    Strange, as it seems to be the Down Relief blocked (but only for electric services) between Twyford and Reading..... ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 16:15:56
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough


    Due to trespassers on the railway between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Rob on the hill on May 28, 2019, 18:00:29
    Looking on Open train Times nothing is currently moving between Reading and Paddington...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on May 28, 2019, 18:02:38
    Trespassers on the line at Hanwell - according to BBC Wiltshire travel news


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on May 28, 2019, 18:24:10
    I'm travelling from Worcester to Paddington this afternoon.

    Pulled out of Oxford on time, but then there's an immediate announcement about problems ahead of us (a trespass incident at Hanwell), with everything backed up to Didcot.  Having that announcement before leaving Oxford would've been useful - could have gone to Marylebone instead.

    Anyway, we get to Reading 20 late. After sitting in the platform, there's an announcement that we're not going any further. Please transfer to the train on the other side of the platform.

    So we do that. And after 10 minutes, that one is cancelled as well.

    Question - do we (1) sit it out and wait, or (2) go home and try again first thing tomorrow, or (3) go (very slowly) to Waterloo.

    (2) difficult, because nothing is coming through from Paddington. The two cancelled trains are still sitting there. I'd've thought that running them back where they came from might help with clearing the traffic from Reading.

    So here I am on the (very slow) stopper to Waterloo...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Rob on the hill on May 28, 2019, 18:38:36
    Trains beginning to move again...there's going to be a lot of DelayRepay..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 28, 2019, 18:44:56
    Very complicated rescue of a distressed person on Wharncliffe Viaduct.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on May 28, 2019, 18:53:38
    Which one is Wharncliffe Viaduct?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 19:29:02
    ancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Following trespassers on the railway earlier today between London Paddington and Slough all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services will still be cancelled, delayed by up to 125 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 28, 2019, 19:43:39
    Which one is Wharncliffe Viaduct?

    It’s the high viaduct just to the west of Hanwell station that bridges over a river and park area.  I personally witnessed somebody threatening to take their own life stood on that viaduct wall many years ago.  They were talked down by staff in the end before police had arrived.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on May 29, 2019, 06:51:05
    It’s the high viaduct just to the west of Hanwell station that bridges over a river and park area.  I personally witnessed somebody threatening to take their own life stood on that viaduct wall many years ago.  They were talked down by staff in the end before police had arrived.
    Thanks for that.

    I eventually got off the Waterloo stopper at Richmond (to travel onwards by Underground) at 19:14, so some 92 minutes late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on May 29, 2019, 06:58:52
    Anyone know what the problem is that's made them stick an additional Reading stop in this morning's Capitals United?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on May 29, 2019, 07:27:17
    I suspect it is because three other services from Swansea are cancelled due to a lack of IETs making it to South Wales last night following the lengthy closure at Paddington.

    The 05:29, 06:59 and 07:59 all not running this morning.   The Capitals United is the 05:59 from Swansea.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 31, 2019, 07:21:56
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington


    Following a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 31/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 31, 2019, 07:56:46
    Disruption now expected to continue until 0830


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 12, 2019, 09:06:41
    Interesting grammar but you get the picture........

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and Didcot Parkway the line towards local stopping is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:00 12/06.
    Customer Advice
    Stopping services from Reading to Didcot Parkway are unable to call at intermediate stations.
    Stopping services from Didcot Parkway to Reading are running normally.
    Customers from intermediate stations travelling westbound should use the eastbound services to Reading and change for fast service to Didcot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 12, 2019, 09:07:52
    Kinky rail on the down main at Goring.  ;)

    *** Correction.  It’s the Down Relief ***


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on June 12, 2019, 09:24:55
    Kinky rail on the down main at Goring.  ;)


    .... and it ain't even sunny weather to cause it to kink !!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 14, 2019, 09:22:47
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Reading bound high speed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 14/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on June 14, 2019, 09:50:22
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Reading bound high speed.
    Impact: Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 14/06.

    Is this the new Overhead Line Equipment (OLE) west of Heathrow Jn or the Old between Paddington and Heathrow Jn?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 14, 2019, 11:49:29
    It was an ADD activation on a train near Hanwell, so an ‘old’ section of headspan Overhead Line Equipment (OLE).  As it was headspan all lines have to be checked, but no issues were found after those checks were made.

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 15, 2019, 16:25:58
    Overhead wire issues for the 2nd time in as many days, causing a fair amount of problems...………

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury


    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 15/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 15, 2019, 18:01:08
    Some quite extensive damage this time, unlike yesterday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 16, 2019, 11:15:07
    Some quite extensive damage this time, unlike yesterday.

    Very new Overhead Line Equipment (OLE)!


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on June 19, 2019, 09:42:57
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 19/06.

    Last Updated:19/06/2019 09:13

    Certainly has been causing problems as far as services to the Cotswolds are concerned.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on June 19, 2019, 09:55:13
    Apparently axle counters failed at both ends of the station resulting in delays and cancellations.

    I don't know where the axle counters are located but P3 seemed to be more effected than P5, is this possible? This is based on the fact that trains  went in and out of P5 quickly for example the 0705 Paddington to Long Marston which arrived and left in a couple of minutes while the 0650 Paddington - Great Malvern was stuck in P3 for over 50 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on June 20, 2019, 10:33:11
    What were the Long Marstons RTT gives 4 two out two back.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 20, 2019, 13:07:05
    What were the Long Marstons RTT gives 4 two out two back.

    More about those specials here (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21688.msg266507#msg266507)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 22, 2019, 08:52:24
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Maidenhead


    Following failure of the electricity supply earlier today between London Paddington and Maidenhead all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 22/06.
    Customer Advice
    Electric trains are now able to use all 4 lines following an earlier power failure. Now that train services are moving, residual delays can be expected as a result of congestion between Reading and London Paddington.

    We do not have ticket acceptance with South Western Railway due to the limited train services as a result of industrial action and Ascot races meaning that services are busier than normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on June 22, 2019, 09:12:58
    I arrived at TWY for the 08.24 to PAD but instead caught the 08.09 running 17 late. There’s been no delays on the journey and the train is now approaching PAD having gained back about 6 minutes. However every IET I’ve seen on the mains has been running on diesel power.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 22, 2019, 09:17:30
    Power shortages/Crew Shortages/shortage of available (new) trains due to more than usual needing repair.

    There is no shortage of excuses.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on June 22, 2019, 09:49:51
    There is no shortage of excuses.

    Sadly, no-one has yet found a way to harness excuses to drive trains or repair them ... they could make a fortune.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on June 24, 2019, 19:58:19

    Sadly, no-one has yet found a way to harness excuses to drive trains or repair them ... they could make a fortune.

    The road to Hull is paved with good intentions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on June 25, 2019, 08:56:17
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:30 25/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 25, 2019, 09:17:56
    Seems to be near "that" bridge at Steventon.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 29, 2019, 16:31:55
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:15 29/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 29, 2019, 17:10:45
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:15 29/06.

    Now pushed out to 1800, also;

    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford


    Due to a broken down train between West Ealing and Greenford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 18:30 29/06.

    ………...and a points problem just outside Paddington too...……...all good fun in the sun  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 29, 2019, 23:10:00
    Would it be wrong of me to suggest that temperatures were exceptional today and that in previous years you would have expected far more significant disruption?

    Good for commuters that today’s heat is giving way to more seasonally typical weather tomorrow in time for the return to work on Monday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on June 30, 2019, 10:52:40
    Would it be wrong of me to suggest that temperatures were exceptional today and that in previous years you would have expected far more significant disruption?

    Not sure, to be honest. Damage to overhead lines wasn't an available cause of disruption in previous years.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 30, 2019, 13:29:36
    I take your point, although of course it has been since the late 90s for the 11 miles out to Airport Junction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 04, 2019, 07:47:00
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Bedwyn


    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Bedwyn all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 04/07.

    Delays to services between Newbury and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Reading the line is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on July 04, 2019, 08:09:16
    Somewhat chaotic scenes at Thatcham when I was there just now (I'm not travelling today but a family member is trying to get to the City for 10am). The 0800 from Thatcham was cancelled yesterday aswell.

    Looks like long-distance trains being diverted away from the B&H.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on July 04, 2019, 09:41:14
    Quote
    Looks like long-distance trains being diverted away from the B&H.

    Looks like things are on the move now, 1A71 PLY-PAD on the move up the B&H 94 late from Newbury (ouch)
    My family member has been driven to RDG to try from there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 04, 2019, 10:48:10
    I'm on the 0931 Reading to Plymouth (left about 40 mins late) was showing on time till 0928 then "delayed" staff on platform were getting as much information as customers (ie none). Usually starts from Paddington but started from Reading today......my first "long haul" on an IET.....seems OK to be honest (delay notwithstanding) but there's a chap causing problems.....keeps asking where the Pullman restaurant is & demanding steak & Port.......any idea who it might be? 😉


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 04, 2019, 11:15:01
    but there's a chap causing problems.....keeps asking where the Pullman restaurant is & demanding steak & Port.......any idea who it might be? 😉

    If he stays on board when the train gets to Plymouth, the set forms the 12:55 back to London which does have a restaurant.... ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on July 04, 2019, 15:34:18
    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 04/07.

    and from National Rail Enquiries:

    Quote
    A fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway is causing disruption to trains between Oxford / Swindon and Reading. Trains may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or amended until approximately 17:00.

    National Rail Enquires now saying (15:54):

    Quote
    Trains may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or amended until approximately 17:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 04, 2019, 16:30:07
    I'm on the 0931 Reading to Plymouth (left about 40 mins late) was showing on time till 0928 then "delayed" staff on platform were getting as much information as customers (ie none). Usually starts from Paddington but started from Reading today......my first "long haul" on an IET.....seems OK to be honest (delay notwithstanding) but there's a chap causing problems.....keeps asking where the Pullman restaurant is & demanding steak & Port.......any idea who it might be? 😉

    Not me  :) as well aware that the service has no Pullman. And port  would not be requested until after the main course, to enjoy with the sweet or cheese. Only a heathen would drink port with the steak.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 08, 2019, 11:58:36
    Not a good late morning it seems (from Journey Check)
    Cancellations to services at Slough
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading bound high speed.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a points failure at Maidenhead some lines towards high speed are disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:30 08/07.

    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Reading bound local stopping.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 08/07.

    On the final signalling hiccup.  Is it my imagination or are these now becoming very frequent?
    Going back in time, surely failures occurred but we didn't notice? or trains ran without a problem?
    Since centralisation, like most centralisation projects, they seem very susceptible to major outages.
    Whilst putting all your levers into one big box, you save on staff costs, infrastructure maintenance, etc; but it seems a high price to pay for so many outages.
    Which leads me to wonder - does the East & West Coast centralisation suffer similar outages as we do?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 08, 2019, 12:24:05
    Certainly a lot more infrastructure issues in recent weeks it seems.......along with crew shortage, short formations etc etc....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 08, 2019, 15:05:59
    Certainly a lot more infrastructure issues in recent weeks it seems.......along with crew shortage, short formations etc etc....

    There had been several months of pretty reliable infrastructure, demonstrated by the punctuality shooting up and the relative lack of posts on this thread, but yes a few more recent incidents.

    I would say this year, so far, has probably seen the least amount of disruption caused by signalling and track defects in the GWML for at least the past five years, maybe longer - but that’s only from my general observations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 08, 2019, 15:06:39
    Not a good late morning it seems (from Journey Check)
    Cancellations to services at Slough
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading bound high speed.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a points failure at Maidenhead some lines towards high speed are disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:30 08/07.

    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Reading bound local stopping.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 08/07.

    On the final signalling hiccup.  Is it my imagination or are these now becoming very frequent?
    Going back in time, surely failures occurred but we didn't notice? or trains ran without a problem?
    Since centralisation, like most centralisation projects, they seem very susceptible to major outages.
    Whilst putting all your levers into one big box, you save on staff costs, infrastructure maintenance, etc; but it seems a high price to pay for so many outages.
    Which leads me to wonder - does the East & West Coast centralisation suffer similar outages as we do?


    I don't know the answer to your question but Network Rail need to get a grip on these issues before the new timetable starts in December, with more GWR services and then CrossRail to come in these signalling problems are going to have an even bigger impact on services then they currently do.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 09, 2019, 05:54:45
    Second full day of this;

    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2019, 06:42:49
    Still a 5mph speed restriction at Slough on the down main line.

    Also, not Thames Valley, but some disruption in South Wales after a pillock on the 05:29ex Swansea claimed to be a member of the IRA and would blow up the train.   ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 09, 2019, 07:30:59
    Second full day of this;

    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    All cancelled as a result;

    16:48 Reading to London Paddington due 17:53
    16:56 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 17:36
    17:02 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 18:10
    17:42 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 18:28
    17:57 London Paddington to Reading due 18:42
    18:19 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 19:23
    18:42 London Paddington to Reading due 19:21
    18:48 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 19:55
    19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46
    19:57 London Paddington to Reading due 20:52
    20:10 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 20:16
    20:19 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 20:25
    20:27 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 21:52
    20:30 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 20:36
    20:39 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 20:45
    20:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 20:56
    20:59 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 21:05
    21:10 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 21:16
    21:19 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 21:25
    21:30 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 21:36
    21:39 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 21:45
    21:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 21:56
    21:59 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:05
    22:10 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:16
    22:19 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:25
    22:30 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:36
    22:39 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:45
    22:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:56
    22:59 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 23:05
    23:12 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 23:18
    23:21 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 23:27
    23:36 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 23:42
    23:46 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 23:52


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2019, 10:05:41
    I would imagine all those Windsor’s are cancelled to get the unit off the branch early to allow repairs to the damaged rail to take place overnight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 09, 2019, 18:50:30
    An utter mess in the Thames Valley this evening.  I’d nearly forgotten how much I hate commuting.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2019, 20:16:00
    Possession now taken to repair the damaged track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 09, 2019, 20:27:14

    On the final signalling hiccup.  Is it my imagination or are these now becoming very frequent?
    Going back in time, surely failures occurred but we didn't notice? or trains ran without a problem?
    Since centralisation, like most centralisation projects, they seem very susceptible to major outages.
    Whilst putting all your levers into one big box, you save on staff costs, infrastructure maintenance, etc; but it seems a high price to pay for so many outages.
    Which leads me to wonder - does the East & West Coast centralisation suffer similar outages as we do?


    I for one share your sense of outage.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2019, 20:41:06
    On the final signalling hiccup.  Is it my imagination or are these now becoming very frequent?
    Going back in time, surely failures occurred but we didn't notice? or trains ran without a problem?

    I'm not sure whether exact figures on signalling failures per year, per route, are published - one for Stuving, our resident Google sleuth?  :D

    Given the track defects last night at Langley and yesterday and today at Slough you might think those were on the increase, but I think generally the opposite is true.  'Broken rails' were down a whopping 90% from 952 in 1998 to 109 in 2015 for example.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2019, 06:08:29
    Following the repairs to the track at Slough the unit for the Windsor shuttle is trapped on the branch. As a result some services have been cancelled to conserve fuel.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 10, 2019, 07:00:03
    Following the repairs to the track at Slough the unit for the Windsor shuttle is trapped on the branch. As a result some services have been cancelled to conserve fuel.

    How much fuel is needed ?
    No question of a drum of diesel fuel in the back of a van and a portable electric pump worked from the van battery I suppose.
    Easier just to take the default option of mass cancellations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2019, 07:21:14
    It means two return trips an hour are running instead of three.

    I’m not sure how you could get a road based vehicle to access the train.  It might be possible if the train is shunted to the siding near Slough station I suppose.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on July 10, 2019, 09:24:06

     From where I am in South Devon, it seems that signal/track problems always seem to happen in a
     relatively small area with regular frequency, correct me if I'm wrong.
     Are the new signalling systems not as 'robust' as the one's they replaced ?
     Do they have the same problems in other area's, i.e. South West Railway ?

     From a local point of view, Network Rail seem 'to fix' problems but not necessarily repair.
     I suppose with exception, the well publicised sea wall at Dawlish.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 10, 2019, 09:50:39

     From where I am in South Devon, it seems that signal/track problems always seem to happen in a
     relatively small area with regular frequency, correct me if I'm wrong.
     Are the new signalling systems not as 'robust' as the one's they replaced ?
     Do they have the same problems in other area's, i.e. South West Railway ?


     From a local point of view, Network Rail seem 'to fix' problems but not necessarily repair.
     I suppose with exception, the well publicised sea wall at Dawlish.

    Exactly my question, which interestingly, hasn't had an answer as yet.
    I do wonder if in bygone days before the tinternet, you would only hear about problems directly affecting you.
    Also you were not so interested in how other areas were doing.

    It does also seem to be the case with signalling issues that a quick fix is done.  Guess that's because there is no budget to look into historical failures/common issues and find a long term solution.?
    More questions than answers!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2019, 10:26:01
    From where I live in mid-Devon, the railway seems a relatively simple thing, becoming a much more complex organism the closer you get to London. A quick count on RTT shows 17 trains between Taunton and Exeter, with 18 in the opposite direction, between 0600 and 1200 today, with only 7 signals (if I got that right) between the two stations. Slough, although I didn't try counting, seems to get that in an hour. Between there and Paddington, the signalling is much more intensive and the track layout much more complicated. The effects of a fault are therefore much more severe than on the lightly-loaded line. You could maintain a reasonable service with drivers telephoning from every failed signal in Devon, but never in the Thames Valley.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 10, 2019, 10:26:33
    It means two return trips an hour are running instead of three.

    I’m not sure how you could get a road based vehicle to access the train.  It might be possible if the train is shunted to the siding near Slough station I suppose.

    So the combined resources of network rail (whose defective track caused the problem) and GWR whose train needs fuel, are not able to deliver a modest supply of diesel fuel to a train in suburban London. Several easy ways of doing this exist.

    1) Put drum of fuel in back of a van. Pump fuel into train at someplace with suitable access.

    2) Put drum of fuel in van. Unload and roll the drum/use a trolley to the platform by means of the ramp or lift intended for wheelchairs. Use a hand pump to fill tank on train.

    3) Fill a number of 20 liter jerry cans with diesel fuel use a van to transport these to the station. Carry the jerry cans to the train. Use a large funnel attached to a short piece of hose to pour from jerry can into fuel tank on train.

    4) Contact a fuel delivery firm with a small tanker that incorporates a pump and delivery hose. These are very common and readily available. They deliver to small tanks at the far end of a domestic back garden without problems, so a parked train should be easy.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 10, 2019, 10:30:12
    While I don't disagree with the sentiment I am not sure that refuelling a train while it is stood on a public platform is likely to be countenanced.  Refilling water tanks is one thing, fuel - albeit it diesel - is another.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on July 10, 2019, 13:23:15
    While I don't disagree with the sentiment I am not sure that refuelling a train while it is stood on a public platform is likely to be countenanced.  Refilling water tanks is one thing, fuel - albeit it diesel - is another.

    And yet it is done every day, with members of the public including children and babes in close proximity - diesel [and petrol!] with lots of moving vehicles and often food and drink sales close by. My local has a sign saying Tesco and sometimes offers a discount of 5p per litre.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 10, 2019, 13:29:59
    Probably a more realistic idea would have been to re-time one of the trains back 10 minutes so the 2tph at 30-minute intervals that used to operate would run.  Maximum delay of just 10 minutes to passengers, and in fact the way the connections work, some through journeys would actually be 10 minutes quicker!  Possible implications with crew diagrams and breaks though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 10, 2019, 13:54:34
    This is how they do it in Romania, fuelling arrangements at the very beginning.
    Perhaps a few of the vehicles could be procured to replace Pacers ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zeBIxI7n1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zeBIxI7n1I)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 10, 2019, 16:35:15
    On the final signalling hiccup.  Is it my imagination or are these now becoming very frequent?
    Going back in time, surely failures occurred but we didn't notice? or trains ran without a problem?

    I'm not sure whether exact figures on signalling failures per year, per route, are published - one for Stuving, our resident Google sleuth?  :D

    Given the track defects last night at Langley and yesterday and today at Slough you might think those were on the increase, but I think generally the opposite is true.  'Broken rails' were down a whopping 90% from 952 in 1998 to 109 in 2015 for example.

    I don't think Network rail have ever published (i.e. externally) details of the failures that cause "incidents", though the Route Plans and similar documents have contained a lot of mentions of performance and how it's going to improve. But they are much fuller of jargon than comprehensible facts. Mostly you can get PPM and the like, telling you nothing about who did what do whom.  I've seen promises of more useful performance information, but not anything specific.

    Network Rail (NR) do quite a bit of work in asset monitoring and the like (and promote it), aimed at predicting failures before they happen (the best kind of prediction, I'm sure). Some of that gets into the railway technical press. Suppliers are also busy doing this kind of stuff; even my ex-colleagues at Thales are at it now - though we didn't have any rail projects in my time. I saw a presentation of their work based on detailed analysis of the current drawn by a point motor, looking for patterns that show it meeds servicing or is about to grind to a halt. That and similar tricks may be very clever and potentially useful, but of course it all has to work, and make a difference, when rolled out on a large scale. And that I've not heard anything about.

    What I have found is that NR now have a page of links to data (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/who-we-are/transparency-and-ethics/transparency/our-information-and-data/) (search for statistics and pick "Our information and data").

    There is an item for Network Performance, bit its "related link" isn't (a link). The only other thing that might be of use, if anyone has the time to make use of it, is "historical delay attribution". That's not as historical as it might be (just 2018-19 and on), but is a complete list of all delay attribution incidents. There's a short explanation of its content and the column contents, which start with:
    Quote
    The file attached is a standard data extract from our Performance System database (PSS). The
    information within the file contains all “attributed” delays to passenger train services in line with the
    guidance in the Delay Attribution Guide. The information is structured for industry systems and
    understanding, the below provides a few key insights into the data contained.

    The data contains both delay and cancellation events (denoted by the performance event code) and a
    user should be careful when summing delay minutes (pfpi minutes) to exclude cancellation events.

    Each (4-week) period's data comes in a large zipped CSV file - large as in up to 500,000 rows x 39 columns. You'll need a copy of the DAPR to hand, not just the explanation, to process that lot into anything useful! These are the column heads:

    FINANCIAL_YEAR_AND_PERIOD
    ORIGIN_DEPARTURE_DATE
    TRUST_TRAIN_ID_AFFECTED
    PLANNED_ORIG_LOC_CODE_AFF
    PLANNED_ORIG_GBTT_DATETIME_AFF
    PLANNED_ORIG_WTT_DATETIME_AFF
    PLANNED_DEST_LOC_CODE_AFFECTED
    PLANNED_DEST_GBTT_DATETIME_AFF
    PLANNED_DEST_WTT_DATETIME_AFF
    TRAIN_SERVICE_CODE_AFFECTED
    SERVICE_GROUP_CODE_AFFECTED
    OPERATOR_AFFECTED
    ENGLISH_DAY_TYPE
    APP_TIMETABLE_FLAG_AFF
    TRAIN_SCHEDULE_TYPE_AFFECTED
    TRACTION_TYPE_AFFECTED
    TRAILING_LOAD_AFFECTED
    TIMING_LOAD_AFFECTED
    UNIT_CLASS_AFFECTED
    INCIDENT_NUMBER
    INCIDENT_CREATE_DATE
    INCIDENT_START_DATETIME
    INCIDENT_END_DATETIME
    SECTION_CODE
    NETWORK_RAIL_LOCATION_MANAGER
    RESPONSIBLE_MANAGER
    INCIDENT_REASON
    ATTRIBUTION_STATUS
    INCIDENT_EQUIPMENT
    INCIDENT_DESCRIPTION
    REACTIONARY_REASON_CODE
    INCIDENT_RESPONSIBLE_TRAIN
    PERFORMANCE_EVENT_CODE
    START_STANOX
    END_STANOX
    EVENT_DATETIME
    PFPI_MINUTES
    TRUST_TRAIN_ID_RESP
    TRUST_TRAIN_ID_REACT



    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2019, 20:29:15
    I think I'll leave that one to the experts.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 11, 2019, 16:28:32
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and Basingstoke the line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 11/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on July 16, 2019, 09:28:34
    Cattle on the line between Swindon and Didcot Parkway so all services stopped. Disruption expected to 11:00.
    I believe that a train may have hit the cattle.

    Now expecting several puns about cows and /or trains needing to get a moo-ve on.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 16, 2019, 09:37:03
    In these circumstances there'll be a lot of compensation claimed.........Mooooooooooooos  gonna pay for it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 16, 2019, 10:18:41
    More than 30 cows reported on the line at one point and a suggestion they may have gained access due to vandalism.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 16, 2019, 10:53:49
    Cattle on the line between Swindon and Didcot Parkway so all services stopped. Disruption expected to 11:00.
    I believe that a train may have hit the cattle.

    Indeed:

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006486695223

    Quote
    My IET train has just hit a cow and caused damage to the front cab of the train. We are doing 20 mph as I was told they are getting a fitter to inspect the cab. I dare say the service will be terminated at Didcot. I didn't think it would be long before they got involved in an accident. We didn't feel any motion as it hit.

    Followed up by pictures of damage taken at Didcot.

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006594090223

    Quote
    First time I've been on an intercity express train (IET) and it's done an emergency stop. 125 mph to 0 mph in a very short breaking distance. Felt a slight metallic sound as the nosecone flew off and know doubt 4 cows!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on July 16, 2019, 11:44:18
    Now expecting several puns about cows and /or trains needing to get a moo-ve on.

    Quote from: knee-jerk GWR over-reaction
    Until we can source milk from another supplier, all GWR trains will only be able to supply black tea and coffee.
    But the pollen-filter beehives now allow us to carry honey on all IET services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on July 16, 2019, 12:29:30
    Cattle on the line between Swindon and Didcot Parkway so all services stopped. Disruption expected to 11:00.
    I believe that a train may have hit the cattle.

    Indeed:

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006486695223

    Quote
    My IET train has just hit a cow and caused damage to the front cab of the train. We are doing 20 mph as I was told they are getting a fitter to inspect the cab. I dare say the service will be terminated at Didcot. I didn't think it would be long before they got involved in an accident. We didn't feel any motion as it hit.

    Followed up by pictures of damage taken at Didcot.

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006594090223

    Quote
    First time I've been on an intercity express train (IET) and it's done an emergency stop. 125 mph to 0 mph in a very short breaking distance. Felt a slight metallic sound as the nosecone flew off and know doubt 4 cows!!

    Thanks for the links and looks like it was the 1A06 0620 Weston-super-Mare to Paddington.
    And incident is now cleared although delays still to be expected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 16, 2019, 12:33:24
    It was 1A06.

    Longest delay I think was 1C04 - 07:30 London Paddington to Penzance which was held just west of Didcot for a while before being sent back to Reading to go down the Berks & Hants.  It is currently nearly two hours late approaching Totnes and will be terminated at Plymouth.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on July 16, 2019, 12:54:29
    It was 1A06.

    Longest delay I think was 1C04 - 07:30 London Paddington to Penzance which was held just west of Didcot for a while before being sent back to Reading to go down the Berks & Hants.  It is currently nearly two hours late approaching Totnes and will be terminated at Plymouth.

    Why terminate it quite that far short? They should still be able to make Truro and form the return journey on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 16, 2019, 14:02:44
    Might be wrong, but it looks as if, from the pictures, the nose cone itself has just retracted.  Those nose cones are Kevlar lined, the nose cone doors themselves worth about £40,000.

    Cattle on the line between Swindon and Didcot Parkway so all services stopped. Disruption expected to 11:00.
    I believe that a train may have hit the cattle.

    Indeed:

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006486695223

    Quote
    My IET train has just hit a cow and caused damage to the front cab of the train. We are doing 20 mph as I was told they are getting a fitter to inspect the cab. I dare say the service will be terminated at Didcot. I didn't think it would be long before they got involved in an accident. We didn't feel any motion as it hit.

    Followed up by pictures of damage taken at Didcot.

    https://www.facebook.com/zanydavy/posts/10162006594090223

    Quote
    First time I've been on an intercity express train (IET) and it's done an emergency stop. 125 mph to 0 mph in a very short breaking distance. Felt a slight metallic sound as the nosecone flew off and know doubt 4 cows!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 16, 2019, 20:08:38
    Update from the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-49009906

    Quote
    Two cows were fatally struck by a train after a fence near railway tracks in Oxfordshire was damaged, police said.

    The GWR train hit the cows at Uffington at 07:56 BST.

    Network Rail said British Transport Police (BTP) attended the scene to investigate a "deliberate act of vandalism".
    Trains between Didcot and Swindon were delayed for an hour while the rest of the herd was moved away.

    The BTP spokeswoman said: "Sadly, two cows were killed in the incident.

    "Inquiries are ongoing to establish exactly how the cattle came to be on the tracks, but at this early stage, it is believed a nearby fence had been damaged."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Wizard on July 18, 2019, 15:13:25
    It means two return trips an hour are running instead of three.

    I’m not sure how you could get a road based vehicle to access the train.  It might be possible if the train is shunted to the siding near Slough station I suppose.

    So the combined resources of network rail (whose defective track caused the problem) and GWR whose train needs fuel, are not able to deliver a modest supply of diesel fuel to a train in suburban London. Several easy ways of doing this exist.

    1) Put drum of fuel in back of a van. Pump fuel into train at someplace with suitable access.

    2) Put drum of fuel in van. Unload and roll the drum/use a trolley to the platform by means of the ramp or lift intended for wheelchairs. Use a hand pump to fill tank on train.

    3) Fill a number of 20 liter jerry cans with diesel fuel use a van to transport these to the station. Carry the jerry cans to the train. Use a large funnel attached to a short piece of hose to pour from jerry can into fuel tank on train.

    4) Contact a fuel delivery firm with a small tanker that incorporates a pump and delivery hose. These are very common and readily available. They deliver to small tanks at the far end of a domestic back garden without problems, so a parked train should be easy.

    I noticed yesterday a small tanker lorry in the car park at Slough ready to refuel the unit currently ‘stuck’ on the Windsor branch, so something has obviously been organised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 18, 2019, 17:12:33
    Yes, fuelling arrangements were put into place a couple of days after the unit became locked in.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on July 19, 2019, 12:14:46
    Yes, fuelling arrangements were put into place a couple of days after the unit became locked in.
    Probably not needed before then.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 23, 2019, 16:45:58
    Has anyone seen any mention of heat-related speed restrictions over the last couple of days? 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on July 23, 2019, 17:29:42
    There were two delays on journeycheck earlier said to be caused by speed restrictions due to hot weather.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 24, 2019, 16:07:39
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 24/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 30, 2019, 17:13:58
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough...……………..until close of play tomorrow?


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 31/07/19.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 30, 2019, 21:25:52
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Maidenhead
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Slough and Maidenhead fewer trains are able to run on the Reading bound local stopping line.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or revised. Burnham and Taplow will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on August 15, 2019, 08:48:30
    Due to animals on the railway between Newbury and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 15/08.


    Due to a broken down train between Reading and London Paddington the London Paddington bound local stopping line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 15/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 15, 2019, 10:40:22
    Local Stopping Line  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 15, 2019, 11:45:16
    Local Stopping Line  ???

    Means more to most people than 'Relief Line'.  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on August 15, 2019, 16:07:27
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines towards Slough are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:00 15/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 15, 2019, 18:03:09
    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines towards Slough are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:00 15/08.

    I was on this train the 15:12 ex Padd.  The driver stopped short at Hayes as the plastic sheet / bag just above the leading coach, luckily the driver spotted it so it did not get wrapped around the Pan.   The train was evacuated and the next service 15:27 ex Padd stopped on platform 1 and held to allow the transfer.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on August 16, 2019, 08:31:45
    Following animals on the railway earlier today between Reading and Didcot Parkway the line towards Didcot Parkway has now reopened.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 16/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 19, 2019, 15:49:10
    Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 19/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on August 19, 2019, 19:36:51
    At least one (1C22) Bristol service diverted via Newbury


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on August 20, 2019, 07:58:56
    Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 19/08.

    Got caught up in this one. Axle-counter failure on the down main at Didcot East Junction. There was a service on the up main that was caught up for some time too, so I suspect there might have been a bit of points detection failure in the mix as well. Third down train in line to be talked passed signals at danger.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 23, 2019, 23:24:08
    165 111 worked 19:30 to Windsor and return now parked in platform 1 Slough (22:15) shut down with lights off. Out of fuel or failed?
    GWR website gives.

    Due to a fault on this train between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central the line is blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Replacement road transport has been requested to operate in both directions between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central. Further details of this will be advertised when the road transport has been sourced.
    First Bus route 8: Slough (Bus Station Bay 8) - Windsor (Theatre Royal) - Egham (Church Road) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on August 23, 2019, 23:31:02
    165 111 worked 19:30 to Windsor and return now parked in platform 1 Slough (22:15) shut down with lights off. Out of fuel or failed?
    GWR website gives.

    From RTT: the last run was into Slough at 2045. Later runs today are flagged: "This service was cancelled throughout due to a problem with the on-board safety systems (M0)."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on August 24, 2019, 15:04:59
    Didn't see 20:45 arrival  must have failed at the end of that journey, as it was  already parked up at tea break @22.50 in the Manor. We (SWRS) had  been discussing some very early pictures of Slough Station in Broad Gauge days. C1870/80s.

    Send me a message if you'd like copies.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on August 24, 2019, 18:17:16
    165 111 worked 19:30 to Windsor and return now parked in platform 1 Slough (22:15) shut down with lights off. Out of fuel or failed?
    GWR website gives.

    From RTT: the last run was into Slough at 2045. Later runs today are flagged: "This service was cancelled throughout due to a problem with the on-board safety systems (M0)."

    Defective light in the speedo.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2019, 17:38:50
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound high speed line.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 26/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on August 28, 2019, 04:09:27
    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/08.

    Customer Advice

    Due to damage to overhead wires yesterday evening, trains between Reading and Oxford cannot call at Didcot Parkway in both directions. Customers between Oxford and Appleford travelling to Didcot Parkway are advised to travel to Reading, change and travel back.

    Replacement road transport has been requested to operate where services are cancelled. Further details of this will be advertised when the road transport has been sourced.

    CrossCountry are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 28, 2019, 07:54:53
    Platforms 3, 4 and 5 closed at Didcot Parkway after a train's pantograph got tangled in the overhead late last night.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on August 28, 2019, 08:10:15
    Platforms 3, 4 and 5 closed at Didcot Parkway after a train's pantograph got tangled in the overhead late last night.


    Surprised no additional stops, when I looked, being added to services from Bristol, South Wales and Cheltenham as a result of above but I suppose 387's stabled at Swindon can be re-routed using main lines for this am's traffic to the smoke or is that too simplistic for Swindon Control to implement.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on August 28, 2019, 08:37:19
    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/08.

    Customer Advice

    Due to damage to overhead wires yesterday evening, trains between Reading and Oxford cannot call at Didcot Parkway in both directions. Customers between Oxford and Appleford travelling to Didcot Parkway are advised to travel to Reading, change and travel back.

    Replacement road transport has been requested to operate where services are cancelled. Further details of this will be advertised when the road transport has been sourced.

    CrossCountry are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

    Services now reported by National Rail to be disrupted until 16:00. If you have to catch a bus into/out of Oxford it could take a while as there are roadworks on the Botley Road.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 28, 2019, 09:32:03
    Probably quicker to go via Reading?

    Platform 5 has no wires....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 28, 2019, 10:43:26
    Platform 5 has no wires....

    Yes it does.

    The area that doesn't have any wires, or more properly, where the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) finishes, is part way along the Chester lines just west of the station.  Which is where the problem was as a pan was raised slightly too early on the 22:01 Oxford to Paddington last night.


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on August 28, 2019, 11:09:00
    Platform 5 has no wires....

    Yes it does.

    The area that doesn't have any wires, or more properly, where the OHLE finishes, is part way along the Chester lines just west of the station.  Which is where the problem was as a pan was raised slightly too early on the 22:01 Oxford to Paddington last night.
    Is that an understatement as I thought they weren't supposed to raise the pantograph until they have stopped in the station? Similiar to the procedure for London bound trains that stop on Platform 2.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 28, 2019, 11:16:03
    That's correct.  Although you can raise the pan anywhere at 20mph or less.  Anywhere the wires have been installed that is, which is where the problem probably was!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 28, 2019, 12:36:06
    Disruption now expected "until the end of the day" due to this incident.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on August 28, 2019, 13:21:24
    Platform 5 has no wires....

    Yes it does.

    The area that doesn't have any wires, or more properly, where the OHLE finishes, is part way along the Chester lines just west of the station.  Which is where the problem was as a pan was raised slightly too early on the 22:01 Oxford to Paddington last night.

    Saw the picture on another group somewhere and did wonder if that was the case.  That's going to take some explaining.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on August 28, 2019, 17:23:32
    Platforms 3, 4 and 5 closed at Didcot Parkway after a train's pantograph got tangled in the overhead late last night.


    Surprised no additional stops, when I looked, being added to services from Bristol, South Wales and Cheltenham as a result of above but I suppose 387's stabled at Swindon can be re-routed using main lines for this am's traffic to the smoke or is that too simplistic for Swindon Control to implement.
    They have been some additional stops inserted into some evening services to Bristol TM: 16:30, 17:00, 17:30 (? - included in some info and not others) & 18:00 at Tilehurst, Goring & St, and Cholsey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 28, 2019, 17:48:52
    And at Didcot on a couple of the Oxford-Paddington peak expresses so that the two per hour service can be maintained.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on August 31, 2019, 08:06:28
    There’s a 6-car Turbo out doing RDG-PAD locals this morning, it did 2R11 0642 from PAD and appears to be scheduled for 2P28 0818 from RDG. I’m guessing that this might be as a consequence of the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) damage which happened at Didcot a couple of days ago? Everything I’ve seen on locals on Saturdays since the start of last year has been 387s, indeed I’m currently on one.


    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 01, 2019, 16:57:26
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington


    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:30 01/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2019, 05:07:49
    Good start to the week.

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Oxford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:00 02/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: martyjon on September 02, 2019, 05:52:09
    Good start to the week.

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Oxford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:00 02/09.


    Add to that ;-

    Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 07:00 02/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2019, 06:02:04
    Good start to the week.

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Oxford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:00 02/09.

    Disruption now expected till 0800.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on September 02, 2019, 07:59:10
    Good start to the week.

    Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Oxford and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:00 02/09.

    Disruption now expected till 0800.

    Now 0900!

    Quote
    Following engineering works not being finished on time between Oxford and Didcot Parkway all lines are now open.

    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 02/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on September 11, 2019, 23:31:26
    Delays due to signalling problems. Apparently. I just think that can’t be arsed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on September 20, 2019, 08:59:24
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines are disrupted.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:45 20/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 24, 2019, 06:24:27
    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:45 24/09.


    Delays to services at Newbury


    Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Newbury trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:00 24/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on September 24, 2019, 08:53:03
    Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
    Due to a broken down train between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:45 24/09.

    Delays to services at Newbury

    Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Newbury trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:00 24/09.

    Helped a little bit by no trains from the far-Southwest due to signalling being knocked out by lightning between Plymouth and Totnes.... :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on October 15, 2019, 16:32:18
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 15/10.

    Edit: disruption now until 21:30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lordgoata on October 17, 2019, 12:52:18
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington the London Paddington bound line is closed. Services running to and from these stations have been delayed or cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 21, 2019, 17:30:34
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Slough and Reading the Reading bound high speed line is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 21/10.

    Customer Advice

    GWR High Speed services will not be calling at Twyford.

    I'm watching OTT Maps and Down fasts and semi-fasts on both the Main and Relief are running on time but just not stopping at TWY when scheduled to do so! What exactly is the problem?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 21, 2019, 17:39:17
    A driver reported a track defect so there was a short closure of that line, an examination by another train and all reportedly ok.  Trains not stopping at Twyford during the time there was one line shut and shortly after until congestion had eased.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 25, 2019, 20:52:06
    Delays to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 31, 2019, 17:26:22
    As if all the crew shortage cancellations tonight weren't enough...………….

    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough the line towards Reading bound local stopping is disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop between Langley and Taplow. Disruption is expected until 18:00 31/10.
    Customer Advice
    Passengers for Slough from the London direction are advised to change at Maidenhead for a service back to Slough.
    Customers at Slough for Reading are advised to travel to West Drayton for onward connections.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on October 31, 2019, 18:38:36
    As if all the crew shortage cancellations tonight weren't enough...………….

    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough the line towards Reading bound local stopping is disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop between Langley and Taplow. Disruption is expected until 18:00 31/10.
    Customer Advice
    Passengers for Slough from the London direction are advised to change at Maidenhead for a service back to Slough.
    Customers at Slough for Reading are advised to travel to West Drayton for onward connections.

    Now extended to 19:00.

    And if THAT wasn't enough................

    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead

    Due to a problem with line-side equipment at Maidenhead:

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 31/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 31, 2019, 21:40:02
    As if all the crew shortage cancellations tonight weren't enough...………….

    Alterations to services at Slough


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Slough the line towards Reading bound local stopping is disrupted.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop between Langley and Taplow. Disruption is expected until 18:00 31/10.
    Customer Advice
    Passengers for Slough from the London direction are advised to change at Maidenhead for a service back to Slough.
    Customers at Slough for Reading are advised to travel to West Drayton for onward connections.

    Now extended to 19:00.

    And if THAT wasn't enough................

    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead

    Due to a problem with line-side equipment at Maidenhead:

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 31/10.

    Line has finally reopened,  disruption ongoing till at least 2200.....I guess the cancellations caused by crew shortages should help clear any congestion...... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 01, 2019, 14:21:39
    Quote "running non stop between Langley and Taplow."

    Interesting I thought trains weren't allowed to stop on the Down MAin at Taplow so why not st say Langley to  Burnham?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on November 02, 2019, 15:29:28
    Thoroughly miserable journey home Thursday night. The train I was on changed destinations several times, was not stopping at Slough but definitely stopping at Taplow/Burnham. It then stopped at Slough got cancelled and after a lot of people got off seemed to become a new service set off almost straight away to not stop at Taplow/Burnham.

    Some services or cancellations doesn't seem to do justice to the chaos and as usual complete lack of information. With hindsight I know it was multiple incidents but the different communication channels seemed to each have a slight variation which at the time only added to the frustration.

    Have I missed the deadlines for questions to the MD because I'd really like to understand more about GWR's business continuity planning. I think we all understand incidents happen but every-time its the lack of information or worse wrong information.

    Is this because the plan is badly written? Not understood? No clear lines of responsibility? Constrained by cost?  Lack of resources? Too much automation on things like the website?
    Does the incident response focus on getting rolling stock and staff back in place rather than passengers? 
    Relationship with Network Rail? The programme on channel 5 highlighted that communication between the two parties didn't seem great. And Network Rail don't always seem to see things as a customer/end user.






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 02, 2019, 15:45:03
    [snip]

    Some services or cancellations doesn't seem to do justice to the chaos and as usual complete lack of information. With hindsight I know it was multiple incidents but the different communication channels seemed to each have a slight variation which at the time only added to the frustration.

    Have I missed the deadlines for questions to the MD because I'd really like to understand more about GWR's business continuity planning. I think we all understand incidents happen but every-time its the lack of information or worse wrong information.

    [snip]

    Sadly, the deadline was in the middle of last week - to give GWR a chance to know what's coming up (and indeed have some text ready) rather than us playing a "what can we spring on Mark to catch him out" game.   GWR have, I know, been working on the questions.

    Looking back at last time's questions, there was one on "continuity" but that was more directed at sorting out the passengers rather than sorting out the trains ... links to last time's subjects at http://gwr.passenger.chat/22399 . Bearing in mind than next Tuesday's session is specifically slanted towards December changes, I suspect we may end up discussing recovery from unplanned issues, as with the best will in the world, there probably will be some of these.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 02, 2019, 18:46:18
    [snip]

    Some services or cancellations doesn't seem to do justice to the chaos and as usual complete lack of information. With hindsight I know it was multiple incidents but the different communication channels seemed to each have a slight variation which at the time only added to the frustration.

    Have I missed the deadlines for questions to the MD because I'd really like to understand more about GWR's business continuity planning. I think we all understand incidents happen but every-time its the lack of information or worse wrong information.

    [snip]

    Sadly, the deadline was in the middle of last week - to give GWR a chance to know what's coming up (and indeed have some text ready) rather than us playing a "what can we spring on Mark to catch him out" game.   GWR have, I know, been working on the questions.





    Comes across as rather sycophantic.

    Irrespective of "deadlines", contingency planning and Customer Communication should be part of an MD's portfolio, and the details should be at his fingertips at all times. He shouldn't need an underling to have some "text ready" - I attended a meeting  at a far larger and more sophisticated organisation than GWR yesterday and the responsible MD gave a presentation without notes or prompting and answered questions without hesitation.

    It's not a question of trying to "catch him out", just basic stuff that goes with the pay grade.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 03, 2019, 06:53:58

    Comes across as rather sycophantic.

    Maybe it does come across that way, so fair comment.  It's also very practical; do members really want our "Meet the Manager" hour to be spent waiting for a response to be typed in when each question is sprung? 

    The way we're doing it reminds me very much of how I tackle a niche training course on a complex programming language;  most of the language, I'll know (and use) well ahead of time but sometimes there's one or two somewhat unusual modules / elements that the customer wants to be covered.  They're always there in the product - but never the less I need to prepare ahead of time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2019, 14:40:41
    Yes, I think I'd prefer a prompt, detailed and accurate initial reply given the limited time of the session.  Seemed to work fine last time, though hopefully there will be no repeat of the unfortunate 'lost questions' incident which didn't help with trust in the transparency of the whole thing.

    Whatever happens it'll be far better than the void of silence we had from GWR's management during the bad times last year.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on November 04, 2019, 13:24:25

    It's not a question of trying to "catch him out", just basic stuff that goes with the pay grade.

    Presumably the agreement is for a certain period of notice to be given? If that is the case, it should be stuck to, to preserve an event that was popular and informative the first time it was done, so that it can be a long-standing tradition (usually about the third outing). I wonder if a discreet enquiry could be made about adding this topic, though, given that it is a major source of frustration to passengers, although I would hazard a guess that the answer will be that it is a major source of frustration to GWR too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 04, 2019, 13:34:18

    It's not a question of trying to "catch him out", just basic stuff that goes with the pay grade.

    Presumably the agreement is for a certain period of notice to be given? ...

    Indeed, though once the base question is put and answer pasted, the session is open for discussion, follow up questions, etc. Basically the preparation sets the groundwork and then corollary stuff is welcomed without notice.  Those of you who submitted questions may well yourselves have follow up thoughts / text / additional comment prepared ahead of time ;D too


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 08, 2019, 14:42:28
    Not really infrastructure but for the want of somewhere better:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Didcot Parkway all lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:00 08/11.
    Last Updated:08/11/2019 14:35

    Lots of delays showing at Reading at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 08, 2019, 14:44:04
    Train of oil tankers reported to be showing signs of smoke.   All trains stopped while it is examined.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 08, 2019, 17:17:26
    Still going............


    Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway


    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Didcot Parkway some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 19:00 08/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 08, 2019, 17:27:25
    The freight train is still stuck there.  Obviously there's a lot more caution involved when the cargo is in any way hazardous.  Looks like it'll be moving (slowly) to Didcot Yard shortly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 08, 2019, 17:50:33
    Caution of course, but 4 HOURS???  Was there a problem eg with the running gear that needed a part or person from far away?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 08, 2019, 18:00:24
    Caution of course, but 4 HOURS???  Was there a problem eg with the running gear that needed a part or person from far away?

    Yes, on one vehicle brakes were stuck on and have caused serious damage to the wheelsets.

    Now on the move and approaching Didcot, so the Down Relief line should be open shortly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on November 08, 2019, 19:56:38
    Ahh I wondered why this didn't move at all when I was walking past. It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on November 09, 2019, 00:16:10
    Quote
    It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

    The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

    When I saw these posts while "lurking" on my smartphone leaving Guildford after an after hours strategic meeting with a senior colleague I thought I had been fortunate in missing the aftermath of this. Sadly, the train I was aiming for (the 20-22 ex Reading, immediately preceding one of those annoying 35 minute gaps in the stopping service timetable) was cancelled, so there was an unwanted 50 minute wait at Reading, with not even a pretty sunset by way of compensation!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on November 09, 2019, 13:27:59
    Quote
    It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

    The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

    I’ve always ignored Reading’s daft political boundaries. It was spanning the green gap from the end of purley to the beginning of pangbourne.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 09, 2019, 13:44:33
    When I saw these posts while "lurking" on my smartphone leaving Guildford after an after hours strategic meeting with a senior colleague I thought I had been fortunate in missing the aftermath of this. Sadly, the train I was aiming for (the 20-22 ex Reading, immediately preceding one of those annoying 35 minute gaps in the stopping service timetable) was cancelled, so there was an unwanted 50 minute wait at Reading, with not even a pretty sunset by way of compensation!

    It's not clear whether that cancellation (of the earlier inbound service) was related to the line closure or not. The line was cleared at about 18:30, so "an issue with the train crew" might or might not be knock-on. When I passed though at about 16:00 I saw the "all lines are closed" warnings and was surprised to find no trains showing as cancelled or more than a few minutes late - at least, not in the next 20 minutes or so.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Richard Fairhurst on November 18, 2019, 12:42:59
    Quote
    It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

    The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

    I’ve always ignored Reading’s daft political boundaries. It was spanning the green gap from the end of purley to the beginning of pangbourne.

    I've moved the burgeoning discussion about political/administrative boundaries to a new topic in "The West - but not the West's trains":

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22464.0


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 18, 2019, 13:00:09
    Quote
    It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

    The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

    I’ve always ignored Reading’s daft political boundaries. It was spanning the green gap from the end of purley to the beginning of pangbourne.

    I've moved the burgeoning discussion about political/administrative boundaries to a new topic in "The West - but not the West's trains":

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22464.0

    Well done that man! 👍


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 18, 2019, 13:51:02
    Quote
    It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

    The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

    I’ve always ignored Reading’s daft political boundaries. It was spanning the green gap from the end of purley to the beginning of pangbourne.

    I've moved the burgeoning discussion about political/administrative boundaries to a new topic in "The West - but not the West's trains":

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22464.0

    Well done that man! 👍

    Hurrah.  Thanks.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 28, 2019, 19:46:25
    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 28/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on December 03, 2019, 13:00:41
     Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Quote
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Didcot Parkway and Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Oxford.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 03/12.
    Customer Advice
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers between Oxford and London Marylebone in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Additional Information
    Great Western Railway are operating a reduced service between Didcot Parkway and Oxford. High speed London Paddington to Oxford services in both directions are cancelled. The xx:07 services from Oxford and the xx:29 from Didcot Parkway are running. Services towards Worcester and Hereford will operate as booked.

    Last Updated:03/12/2019 12:23


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on December 03, 2019, 14:22:38
    and also:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Maidenhead

    Due to a points failure at Maidenhead all lines are disrupted.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 03/12.

    Last Updated:03/12/2019 13:31


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2019, 16:16:40
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:15 08/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2019, 00:57:22
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to a fault on this train between London Paddington and Reading the local stopping line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 01:30 13/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2019, 08:21:57
    .....and a good start to the first "working day" of the new timetable......

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some London Paddington bound high speed lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:45 16/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 16, 2019, 09:27:12
    ... until 11am now. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on December 16, 2019, 09:29:52
    Quote
    .....and a good start to the first "working day" of the new timetable......

    GWR flooding the media with the "this is nothing to do with the new timetable" comms.
    They must be cursing the timing though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on December 16, 2019, 10:07:41
    Just received a forwarded email from Mike Gallop Route Managing Director Network Rail Wales and Western and Mark Hopwood


    Vey unfortunate.
     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on December 16, 2019, 10:54:36
    Quote
    .....and a good start to the first "working day" of the new timetable......

    GWR flooding the media with the "this is nothing to do with the new timetable" comms.
    They must be cursing the timing though.

    But what will be interesting is the mix of the signalling problems and the new timetable. Under the old timetable, services could often make up time once they'd got through the problem area. Now a lot of the slack has been removed that "elasticity" is no longer there.

    Oh, and delays are now expected until 12:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on December 16, 2019, 11:33:05
    Up main now re-opened.  Passed through Slough a couple of minutes ago.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2019, 12:41:00
    But what will be interesting is the mix of the signalling problems and the new timetable. Under the old timetable, services could often make up time once they'd got through the problem area. Now a lot of the slack has been removed that "elasticity" is no longer there.

    And of course there's more trains being squeezed in, meaning congestion builds up quicker when there is a problem such as this morning.

    It's not all doom-and-gloom though as there is still recovery time in the schedules, not as much as before, but still some.  A good example is the 09:28 Paddington to Cheltenham train this morning, which was delayed by 28 minutes leaving Paddington, but even on a schedule that's a whopping 14 minutes quicker than the equivalent 09:36 departure in the old HST based timetable, it got to Cheltenham just 15 minutes late.  So an old schedule of 2h 16m, was bettered by 27 minutes, being completed in 1h 49m, 13 minutes quicker than the current schedule.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 16, 2019, 13:55:41
    It may have revealed some of the services that are considered to be the first in line to be sacrificed. The rather unusual Swindon-Paddington service 1A11 that was cancelled could be one of these.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 16, 2019, 14:16:15
    It may have revealed some of the services that are considered to be the first in line to be sacrificed. The rather unusual Swindon-Paddington service 1A11 that was cancelled could be one of these.
    The non-stop Bristols went as well but you would expect that they will always be the first to go at times of disruption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 16, 2019, 15:38:04
    It may have revealed some of the services that are considered to be the first in line to be sacrificed. The rather unusual Swindon-Paddington service 1A11 that was cancelled could be one of these.

    The stock for this got caught up in the signal failure and arrived Paddington 27 late, before it is then due to run empty to Swindon, hence the cancellation


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2019, 17:18:43
    It may have revealed some of the services that are considered to be the first in line to be sacrificed. The rather unusual Swindon-Paddington service 1A11 that was cancelled could be one of these.
    The non-stop Bristols went as well but you would expect that they will always be the first to go at times of disruption.

    Non-stop Bristols? Isn't there a place in Soho that offers that too? (........asking for a friend)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 17, 2019, 00:10:54
    Quote
    .....and a good start to the first "working day" of the new timetable......

    GWR flooding the media with the "this is nothing to do with the new timetable" comms.
    They must be cursing the timing though.

    I seem to remember that one aspect of the Western Route upgrade, all of which this timetable capitalises on,  was signalling renewal. So along with electrification, new trains, and new Reading, came replacing all that old kit that keeps failing with something new and reliable. So ...

    Another important upgrade that I don't think ever happened was to GWR's excuse generator. With the current one, if you feed in what happened today (Monday) - or yesterday - plus "the service would have been just as bad with the old timetable", and even if you turn it up to 11, it doesn't come up with anything management will allow to go out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Wizard on December 18, 2019, 05:04:15
    There is some kind of problem at Slough this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 18, 2019, 05:18:46
    There is some kind of problem at Slough this morning.

    Just updated on Journey Check:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice

    Owing to a short section of defective track in the Slough area, which requires some remedial work, a speed restriction has had to be imposed on the London bound fast line in that area. As a result of this we are unable to operate the full timetabled train service between Reading and London Paddington.

    A small number of services which would normally operate non-stop from stations West of Reading / Slough will be cancelled or revised to terminate at Reading. In order to accommodate as many trains as possible through the affected area some alterations will also need to be made to other services which serve intermediate stations.

    It will be very interesting to see which services are amongst the small number selected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 18, 2019, 05:33:26
    Another triumph for the new timetable

    Everything London bound from Taplow/Burnham cancelled for the foreseeable future


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 18, 2019, 06:27:21
    And once again unsurprisingly it’s the SF (super fast) trains that are getting canned. You book on those on the understanding that they will be the first to go at times of disruption so best not rely on them for an appointment/ flight etc. Defensive scheming required which kind of negates having a SF service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 18, 2019, 07:18:01
    "A track defect near Slough is causing disruption to journeys between Reading and London Paddington. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised.This is currently expected until the end of the day.This issue is not currently affecting services between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central."

    The National Rail website suggests that most trains are leaving Reading for Paddington on time, but the 0733, 0810 and 0814 are cancelled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Adrian on December 18, 2019, 20:17:08
    And once again unsurprisingly it’s the SF (super fast) trains that are getting canned. You book on those on the understanding that they will be the first to go at times of disruption so best not rely on them for an appointment/ flight etc. Defensive scheming required which kind of negates having a SF service.

    This morning it was the 0615 and 0713 CDF to PAD that were cancelled, which are the stopping services.  The fast SWA - PAD trains that are scheduled to overtake them at Swindon did run - although I suspect they made Swindon stops in lieu.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 19, 2019, 05:01:38
    .....here we go again, Day 2.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Owing to a short section of defective track in the Slough area, which requires some remedial work, a speed restriction has had to be imposed on the London bound fast line in that area


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 23, 2019, 18:29:21
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the London Paddington bound high speed line.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on December 23, 2019, 20:29:09
    "Defective track" is a bit old school, I thought that the new approved term was "a safety inspection of the track"
    Whatever next, an admission that the new trains have engines rather than generating units, or even that a footbridge exists at Reading rather than a transfer deck.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2019, 07:22:34
    Cancellations to services between West Drayton and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Drayton and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 28, 2019, 09:38:01
    Now until 11am, with 50% cancellations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 28, 2019, 10:56:49
    The wisdom of stripping toilets from the tfl services, and then only running tfl services over weekends, and then running them with 45min delays, is soon to be tested.

    I’m on the 10.16 from maidenhead. Stuck at Hayes ad infinitum.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on December 28, 2019, 11:53:58
    TFL are a metro service operator, if they want to run services on railways there should be legislation in place to make sure they provide the same as other operators provide, and have the relevant infrastructure in place at wherever their vehicles are stored overnight. This should especially be applied on lines shared by many other services with long gaps between stations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 28, 2019, 12:31:11
    The wisdom of stripping toilets from the tfl services, and then only running tfl services over weekends, and then running them with 45min delays, is soon to be tested.

    I’m on the 10.16 from maidenhead. Stuck at Hayes ad infinitum.

    The National Rail website suggests it was delayed by 19 minutes,  with all other Maidenhead-Hayes services also late or cancelled.

    I recall that the official justification for no on-board loos is that the average time spent on a TfL train is expected to be 20 minutes and there are facilities at stations. Dunno what are the opening hours for some of the smaller stations, and I imagine that when there are no staff the waiting-rooms and toilets are locked. Could be some unpleasant whiffs around the next morning, as occasionally there are on Tilehurst Station footbridge, together with the odd pool of puke.

    Marlburian


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on December 28, 2019, 12:51:27
    I think that the average time people spend on a crossrail train is going to be higher than that, and I would have thought that TFL and the department for transport were hoping so if they want people from Maidenhead to be travelling direct to east London, Canary Wharf, etc.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 28, 2019, 12:56:41
    I think that the average time people spend on a crossrail train is going to be higher than that, and I would have thought that TFL and the department for transport were hoping so if they want people from Maidenhead to be travelling direct to east London, Canary Wharf, etc.

    I think it probably will be about that - vast numbers of people will just use it to station hop within London which will bring the average journey time down - but that's not to say that there won't be a lot of people on board (in terms of numbers if not percentage) for an hour or more.  Toilets should have been provided.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on December 28, 2019, 13:10:48
    Overall, I think TFL is the wrong operator for these services and a national rail network operator would have been better suited. Like I mentioned, if TFL want to run trains on the national network, then they should follow the same rules as other operators, and the tried and tested methods used by the national network, rather than trying to apply their underground methods to a railway which is clearly interurban.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 28, 2019, 14:16:42
    Overall, I think TFL is the wrong operator for these services and a national rail network operator would have been better suited. Like I mentioned, if TFL want to run trains on the national network, then they should follow the same rules as other operators, and the tried and tested methods used by the national network, rather than trying to apply their underground methods to a railway which is clearly interurban.

    It's been a long-standing practice to extend tube lines by connecting inner suburban lines to them instead of their terminus. This was seen as relieving capacity constraints in the track leading to the terminus rather than in platforms, though of course it does that too. At the same time it prevented numbers on suburban lines dropping too far (which was a big issue in the 60s), by offering a direct link into the tube network.

    Crossrail is just a tube on steroids, and the same principle applies. Its higher speed means that Maidenhead was easily as close (in time) as other lines' outer limits, end even Reading not much further. So you can see why it looked the obvious way of doing things. 

    With SWR now introducing toilets on their new inner suburban trains - I think for the first time - the question in my mind is for urban railways in general: "what took you so long?" I don't think the relevant bit of human anatomy (and physiology, and even pathology) has evolved a huge amount in even the last fifty years ... but our expectations have.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on December 28, 2019, 15:07:10
    Overall, I think TFL is the wrong operator for these services and a national rail network operator would have been better suited. Like I mentioned, if TFL want to run trains on the national network, then they should follow the same rules as other operators, and the tried and tested methods used by the national network, rather than trying to apply their underground methods to a railway which is clearly interurban.

    It's been a long-standing practice to extend tube lines by connecting inner suburban lines to them instead of their terminus. This was seen as relieving capacity constraints in the track leading to the terminus rather than in platforms, though of course it does that too. At the same time it prevented numbers on suburban lines dropping too far (which was a big issue in the 60s), by offering a direct link into the tube network.


    The Bakerloo line north of Queens Park is the only place on the tube network that would be comparable to the GW mainline and this is a corridor with six lines. Both services on this line are now TFL run I believe. The district line shares with network rail from Richmond to Gunnersbury. again both services are now run by TFL. All the other tube lines appear to be run as their own closed network, which is of course much easier to regulate and operate than a shared railway. Some may have been former national rail lines but since the conversion to a tube line do not interact with any other trains. Comparing Crossrail to a tube on steroids isn't the best way of describing what it is and what it's supposed to achieve. It will be used like a tube in central london but a better comparison is a local train on steroids and even the Marlow train has a toilet.
    An equivalent could be imagined I suppose if Wimbledon District line services continued from there along the slow lines to Basingstoke.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on December 28, 2019, 15:25:13
    With the much more ambitious Superlink concept had been rejected which as a first stage would have linked Reading with Stansted Airport and Cambridge, and later on had branches to Northampton, Basingstoke and Guildford via Heathrow etc, Crossrail reverted to the older concepts of it being in effect a large-size London Underground line with the outer former main lines feeding into it, with a very inefficient number of trains terminating at Paddington as a western terminal.

    I guess though since even this has proved more difficult than envisaged, Superlink easily could have cost £30B or more just for the early phases as well as being years later.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 28, 2019, 16:10:58
    The wisdom of stripping toilets from the tfl services, and then only running tfl services over weekends, and then running them with 45min delays, is soon to be tested.

    I’m on the 10.16 from maidenhead. Stuck at Hayes ad infinitum.

    The National Rail website suggests it was delayed by 19 minutes,  with all other Maidenhead-Hayes services also late or cancelled.


    Sadly that wasn’t the case and it was a 35min wait at Hayes and overall a 55min delay.  So that was 1hr and 40mins from maidenhead to Paddington.  Parents were taking children off to urinate on the platform.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: FremlinsMan on December 28, 2019, 16:12:24
    I think that the average time people spend on a crossrail train is going to be higher than that, and I would have thought that TFL and the department for transport were hoping so if they want people from Maidenhead to be travelling direct to east London, Canary Wharf, etc.

    I think it probably will be about that - vast numbers of people will just use it to station hop within London which will bring the average journey time down - but that's not to say that there won't be a lot of people on board (in terms of numbers if not percentage) for an hour or more.  Toilets should have been provided.
    Harumph. Add a 'toilet carriage'.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 28, 2019, 20:46:18
    From GWR Twitter in the past 30 minutes:

    Quote
    A tree has fallen over the railway between #BathSpa and #BristolTempleMeads - causing damage to one train, and blocking both rail lines.

    Services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:45.

    Some services may be diverted, and Bristol-London trains will run non-stop between Bristol & Swindon - not calling at Bath Spa and Chippenham.

    @FirstBSA is accepting GWR tickets on Routes 39 & X39 between Bath, Keynsham, and Bristol.

    We will run some addiitonal train services between Bath and Swindon, but this is only where possible. Please check your journey at http://gwr.com  & http://journeycheck.com/gwr

    Update: Network Rail is on-site assessing the tree. It is balacing 12ft above the track on fencing. This will require some time to remove.

    We are looking into alternative travel options for you and will update you as soon as these are confirmed.

    EDIT: Line reported as reopened at 21:15.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 31, 2019, 14:47:16
    I suspect that this explanation/justification has been posted before, and more than once, but Written Answer received by the London Assembly on 21 December 2011:

    "Crossrail will be a high-frequency metro-style service for London and the south east. It is estimated that the average time a passenger will travel on Crossrail will be 20 minutes. It is not intended that toilets will be provided on board Crossrail trains.Thirty out of the thirty-seven Crossrail stations will have toilets (81 per cent).  This is an improvement on what was previously envisaged and has been accommodated through further design work. Furthermore, twenty three Crossrail stations will have at least one fully accessible toilet (62 per cent).  With only ten of the existing stations on the Crossrail route currently having at least one fully accessible toilet, this represents a significant improvement."

    Which prompts some speculation as to why children were urinating on the platform at Hayes at 1030? Couldn't wait? Queues at the station loos (I can't recall where they are at Hayes)? Afraid the train would go off without them?

    Let me stress I'm not criticising them; I would probably have had to do the same - I'm at the age where I have to plan these things.

    Marlburian



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on December 31, 2019, 17:33:32

    Which prompts some speculation as to why children were urinating on the platform at Hayes at 1030? Couldn't wait? Queues at the station loos (I can't recall where they are at Hayes)? Afraid the train would go off without them?

    Let me stress I'm not criticising them; I would probably have had to do the same - I'm at the age where I have to plan these things.

    Marlburian



    The toilets used to be on platform 4. Everything on that platform was demolished a few years ago for Crossrail. I did see a temporary toilet behind the ticket office a few months ago amongst all the construction huts which was locked and possibly needs a Radar key on the station approach.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 01, 2020, 11:08:56
    My feeling is that it was due to lack of accurate information from the driver. We were told from the outset that there were delays ahead, and those of us with access to the right internet sites could see that the train ahead ran more or less on time to West Drayton but then incurred a 45min delay.
    However the news from the driver was of the ‘I don’t know what the cause of the delay is’ variety, accompanied by ‘we should be on the move shortly/in less than 5mins’.  That approach keeps the passengers optimistic but when fed continually over a 40min wait in the platform doesn’t encourage anyone to venture far from the train - and certainly not to go and seek a radar key!

    I find it utterly astonishing that only a couple of years ago FGW (as was) we’re ripping seats out of overcrowded turbos to create their big red disabled toilets, and now tfl can run services on the same route with no toilets at all!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on January 08, 2020, 15:30:23
    Due to the electricity being switched off for safety reasons between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 17:15 08/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on January 08, 2020, 16:04:25
    Quote
    Due to the electricity being switched off for safety reasons between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.

    Just watching on the Slough Railcam and it appears all up traffic is on the Relief, and crawling through the area.
    Looks like 1K55 (a Newbury-Paddington 387) is stuck on the Up Main between Slough and Langley?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 08, 2020, 17:47:44
    Quote
    Due to the electricity being switched off for safety reasons between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.

    Just watching on the Slough Railcam and it appears all up traffic is on the Relief, and crawling through the area.
    Looks like 1K55 (a Newbury-Paddington 387) is stuck on the Up Main between Slough and Langley?

    I was at Slough and saw it happen......387 came barrelling through, there was a huge bang, flash of orange and down came some of the wires...…...there were some spotters on Platform 3 whose levels of excitement at what had happened seemed to know no bounds...….2 of them were seen to be offering advice to the GWR chap who was trying to make an initial assessment which given the look on his face he could have done without!

    According to said GWR chap, all lines were very briefly closed but then they started routing most down the slow lines, still quite a few delays though, now pushed out until 1915.

    I was very lucky and jumped on the TFL stopper which was approaching Slough when it happened and crawled onwards after a 5 minute wait (the train, not me!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 08, 2020, 18:08:32
    Damaged dropper, which that train's pantograph hit causing pan to drop and section to trip.  All fine with minimal damage after that dropper was removed with normal working resumed at 17:42, but heavy traffic delayed repair staff so trains routed through the up relief platform whilst waiting for them.  I would imagine proper repairs will take place overnight?

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/ee8ba40fda563d662d31c48e65d4e288/tumblr_inline_pfvxb1EaGt1srob4n_1280.png 

    I imagine that sort of thing have required a full isolation on the older style 'headspan' OHLE and trains would have been stopped for ages, instead of regaining 75% of capacity within a few minutes?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 08, 2020, 18:29:25
    GWR Journeycheck (un)helpfully suggesting that passengers should just hop on a TFL service to Reading instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 08, 2020, 19:36:30
    I think this has been the first significant incident since the timetable change. I’d be interested in how people think it went given the increase in services and what appears to have been a limited number of cancellations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on January 09, 2020, 10:56:05
    Damaged dropper, which that train's pantograph hit causing pan to drop and section to trip.  All fine with minimal damage after that dropper was removed with normal working resumed at 17:42, but heavy traffic delayed repair staff so trains routed through the up relief platform whilst waiting for them.  I would imagine proper repairs will take place overnight?

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/ee8ba40fda563d662d31c48e65d4e288/tumblr_inline_pfvxb1EaGt1srob4n_1280.png 

    I imagine that sort of thing have required a full isolation on the older style 'headspan' OHLE and trains would have been stopped for ages, instead of regaining 75% of capacity within a few minutes?

    It is good that the effect on rail services wasn't the degree of total and catastrophic that we have become used to, but is it worrying that the failure of such a small part caused such disruption?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 09, 2020, 11:52:08
    Damaged dropper, which that train's pantograph hit causing pan to drop and section to trip.  All fine with minimal damage after that dropper was removed with normal working resumed at 17:42, but heavy traffic delayed repair staff so trains routed through the up relief platform whilst waiting for them.  I would imagine proper repairs will take place overnight?

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/ee8ba40fda563d662d31c48e65d4e288/tumblr_inline_pfvxb1EaGt1srob4n_1280.png 

    I imagine that sort of thing have required a full isolation on the older style 'headspan' OHLE and trains would have been stopped for ages, instead of regaining 75% of capacity within a few minutes?

    It is good that the effect on rail services wasn't the degree of total and catastrophic that we have become used to, but is it worrying that the failure of such a small part caused such disruption?

    That's really just the nature of the system, being a network. Big interconnected systems tend to have this "every little bit's gotta work" principle, though railways do have it more than some others. It does make it harder work getting resilience up to a worthwhile level - this was one of the main reasons why buses took over from trams and trolleybuses, after all. 

    Maybe we need one of those Cummings-approved oddballs to bring the ideas behind IP routeing into railways? Obviously it would be possible if you rebuilt all those parallel lines Beeching closed, and then built a load more ... just as long as you don't mind having no idea which route you'll be travelling on, or how long it will take.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 09, 2020, 22:31:08
    Damaged dropper, which that train's pantograph hit causing pan to drop and section to trip.  All fine with minimal damage after that dropper was removed with normal working resumed at 17:42, but heavy traffic delayed repair staff so trains routed through the up relief platform whilst waiting for them.  I would imagine proper repairs will take place overnight?

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/ee8ba40fda563d662d31c48e65d4e288/tumblr_inline_pfvxb1EaGt1srob4n_1280.png 

    I imagine that sort of thing have required a full isolation on the older style 'headspan' OHLE and trains would have been stopped for ages, instead of regaining 75% of capacity within a few minutes?

    Not necessarily, displaced droppers happen quite often, they are designed to give way if hit by a pan and the pan is designed to drop.

    Risk on units with a single pan is it may need another unit to rescue it.

    NR's MOMs (Mobile Operations Managers) are trained to use live line poles with a range of attachments to remove objects from the OLE including damaged droppers.  This allows the resumption of traffic usually at a reduced speed until the OLE maintenance team arrive to assess if normal running can resume


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 10, 2020, 07:34:02
    Thanks for that, ET.  I believe that different rules apply if there has been a ADD in an area of headspan Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) as opposed to cantilever or portal, which will likely delay resumption of normal working?

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 10, 2020, 09:23:23
    I noticed in Lisbon (the Portugal one) that the tram operator has a scissors jack vehicle with the platform mounted on 4 insulators, so they could maintain/repair the overhead wires while still live.  Sometimes they would just move the vehicle out of the way when a tram came along.

    Of course they had to remember not to touch anything on the wrong side of the insulators while they were up there.  And I accept that a Risk Assessment may rule out that method of working for 25kV!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on January 10, 2020, 11:41:43
    And I accept that a Risk Assessment may rule out that method of working for 25kV!

    The laws of physics still apply - just use bigger insulators ! :D  :o


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 10, 2020, 12:25:38
    I noticed in Lisbon (the Portugal one) that the tram operator has a scissors jack vehicle with the platform mounted on 4 insulators, so they could maintain/repair the overhead wires while still live.  Sometimes they would just move the vehicle out of the way when a tram came along.

    Of course they had to remember not to touch anything on the wrong side of the insulators while they were up there.  And I accept that a Risk Assessment may rule out that method of working for 25kV!

    Oddly enough, when I was in Lisbon I saw a couple of blokes dragging a steel tower on wheels around in the street - but no insulators. They were checking the (mains) bulbs in strings of decorative lights, which in the dark and drizzle seemed dodgy enough. But there were tram OLE wires too, and the tower only just passed under them.

    Now that was 25 years ago, and I'm sure practices and attitudes to safety have moved on a lot since then. Likewise on the local trains, where you'd see people standing next to the open doors - and it wasn't even that hot (it was November).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 10, 2020, 18:11:02
    Not like this then  ::) ;D https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/4018337.jpg


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on January 11, 2020, 16:15:36
    Damaged dropper, which that train's pantograph hit causing pan to drop and section to trip.  All fine with minimal damage after that dropper was removed with normal working resumed at 17:42, but heavy traffic delayed repair staff so trains routed through the up relief platform whilst waiting for them.  I would imagine proper repairs will take place overnight?

    https://66.media.tumblr.com/ee8ba40fda563d662d31c48e65d4e288/tumblr_inline_pfvxb1EaGt1srob4n_1280.png 

    I imagine that sort of thing have required a full isolation on the older style 'headspan' OHLE and trains would have been stopped for ages, instead of regaining 75% of capacity within a few minutes?

    It is good that the effect on rail services wasn't the degree of total and catastrophic that we have become used to, but is it worrying that the failure of such a small part caused such disruption?

    That's really just the nature of the system, being a network. Big interconnected systems tend to have this "every little bit's gotta work" principle, though railways do have it more than some others. It does make it harder work getting resilience up to a worthwhile level - this was one of the main reasons why buses took over from trams and trolleybuses, after all. 

    Maybe we need one of those Cummings-approved oddballs to bring the ideas behind IP routeing into railways? Obviously it would be possible if you rebuilt all those parallel lines Beeching closed, and then built a load more ... just as long as you don't mind having no idea which route you'll be travelling on, or how long it will take.

    I remember learning about how Arpanet, later known as the Internet, works. I had not long read the Beeching report, which was all about identifying and removing any redundancy from the rail network. Imagine my surprise to learn that, given the brief of designing a resilient network, one of the fundamental precepts ARPA applied was seamless invisible multiple redundancy.

    I think it is fair to assume that resilience was not part of Beeching's brief.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on January 11, 2020, 17:10:12
    DO NOT TRY THIS. VERY DANGEROUS - extra warning added by Grahame as members have expressed concern.  Better say "Don't do this" even three times than risk anyone missing the message

    Live conductors may be touched with impunity provided that the person doing the touching is sufficiently insulated from earth, such that no current can pass through the person.

    Observe for example that birds perch on high voltage wires without harm, there is no path via the bird to earth. If however the bird comes too close to anything earthed then it will be killed.

    It is in theory perfectly safe to stand upon an energised conductor rail, provided that no part of you is in contact with earth.DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ACTUALLY TRYING THIS. THE SLIGHTEST TRIP OR STUMBLE COULD KILL YOU


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Red Squirrel on January 11, 2020, 17:15:55
    Live conductors may be touched with impunity provided that the person doing the touching is sufficiently insulated from earth, such that no current can pass through the person.

    Observe for example that birds perch on high voltage wires without harm, there is no path via the bird to earth. If however the bird comes too close to anything earthed then it will be killed.

    It is in theory perfectly safe to stand upon an energised conductor rail, provided that no part of you is in contact with earth.DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ACTUALLY TRYING THIS. THE SLIGHTEST TRIP OR STUMBLE COULD KILL YOU

    Quite so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_NEAEGeFIw


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 24, 2020, 06:15:43
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough the London Paddington bound high speed line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:00 24/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2020, 20:37:58
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 22:00 05/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 09, 2020, 12:25:31
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Maidenhead and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until 16:00 09/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 17, 2020, 14:54:18
    Not sure if this has been caused by Storm Dennis or not - for the record:

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/02.

    Customer Advice
    Replacement road transport has been arranged to operate in both directions between Reading and Didcot Parkway.

    Last Updated:17/02/2020 14:36

    Hard to tell how much disruption it's causing with all the other things going on but, certainly,  causing some ripples up towards the Cotswolds.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on February 17, 2020, 20:12:27
    Today a friend was coming to Tilehurst from the Bedford area, a journey that she's made a dozen times. For some or no reason or other, she opted for an FGW stopper from Paddington and became confused about when it was due at Tilehurst, thinking she would be there for 1357.

    I duly arrived to meet her, but she didn't get off the train. Turned out that her train was the one due at 1427, so I hung around. (I couldn't eke out reading Metro beyond eight minutes.) Around 1421, the station info display announced that the 1427 was cancelled (terminated at Reading), though the news wasn't imparted to the passengers until it was arriving in Reading.

    Luckily the 1426 to Reading was running 16 minutes late, so I had time to move my car from the station forecourt to a side road (where parking isn't allowed until 1500, but ...) and meet my friend in town for a meal.

    Our train back to Tilehurst was cancelled, so I paid for a taxi  :'(

    There were several cancellations on the evening trains from Tilehurst to Reading, but the 1854 diesel was running some 14 minutes late. Whilst we waited, several express trains and a freight came along the up relief.

    Being the school holidays, there were a dozen or so youngsters on my train into Reading - they may had to hang around for a service back home.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2020, 06:24:56
    2nd day of this.....

    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:00 18/02.
    Customer Advice
    Following damage to overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading, we are expecting some changes to services on Tuesday 18 February.
    Some lines will remain blocked to trains throughout the day as work to repair the damage continues.
    While we will still be able to run the majority of services, fewer trains will run to avoid congestion and delays through the area.
    Customers planning to travel on services between South Wales and Bristol and London, or between Reading and London, should check before travelling



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on February 18, 2020, 06:31:08
    Some trains diverted via the B&H.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2020, 07:54:21
    Having got caught up in the problems between Reading and Didcot last night - resulting in a bus journey from Reading, I struggled to see what the actual issue was.

    Certainly the 165/166 services were running up to Banbury ( although no good for me -can someone provide an explanation why the 17:02 ex Reading runs fast to Goring !)
    There seems to be a healthy number of IEP going on both up main and up relief.

    Checking open train maps there seemed to be trains on each line running ?

    So what is the issue exactly ?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on February 18, 2020, 07:54:48
    Stopping trains particularly badly affected.

    Only 4 out of 11 trains calling at Goring & Streatley after 7-45 running.

    Most (but not all) trains running on the relief lines.  Exception being an XC just gone through.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on February 18, 2020, 08:51:17
    Stopping trains particularly badly affected.

    Only 4 out of 11 trains calling at Goring & Streatley after 7-45 running.

    Most (but not all) trains running on the relief lines.  Exception being an XC just gone through.

    Also impacting Didcot - Oxford services, between 0700 and 0900 4 of the 6 services cancelled.
    I also got caught up last night with my journey home cancelled.
    It's ironic that diesel trains to Oxford get cancelled by problems with overhead wires! And I don't understand why GWR couldn't at least operate a half hourly service between Oxford and Didcot.
    I gave up and took the car, thankfully it is half-term so little traffic.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2020, 09:00:01
    Stopping trains particularly badly affected.

    Only 4 out of 11 trains calling at Goring & Streatley after 7-45 running.

    Most (but not all) trains running on the relief lines.  Exception being an XC just gone through.

    Also impacting Didcot - Oxford services, between 0700 and 0900 4 of the 6 services cancelled.
    I also got caught up last night with my journey home cancelled.
    It's ironic that diesel trains to Oxford get cancelled by problems with overhead wires! And I don't understand why GWR couldn't at least operate a half hourly service between Oxford and Didcot.
    I gave up and took the car, thankfully it is half-term so little traffic.


    It is odd that not ALL trains are effected - just the majority. And the relief lines do seem to be getting a lot of fast (Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea) services running over them.

    Do I suspect that relief services are being culled for the ability to run mains?

    And is this really a ‘lines down’ event (which would surely necessitate full line closure while repairs are carried out) or is this really some other kind of electric fault - which may be a few days more before all is right (time for fault tracing and cause, new replacement parts orders and delivered and required and then actual fitting) ?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on February 18, 2020, 09:47:32
    I am a bit confused about where this event happened as the hashtag used by Network Rail for this incident was #Culham. See http://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/538A652F9AC14A8EA3CD1A03139AA0C7 (http://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/538A652F9AC14A8EA3CD1A03139AA0C7)
    I assume this was a mistake unless NR are trolling us about the cancellation of the electrification to Oxford.

    I note that the Didcot - Oxford service is now running half-hourly, presumably because in the off-peak these trains don't continue to Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on February 18, 2020, 10:01:37
    The line closure tagged by the signallers is east of Tilehurst on the Up Main. I guess there may be restricted working on the Down lines (either side) if repair work is going on. So all the up trains are being channeled towards P12-15 at Reading.

    One odd effect of this is that TfL Rail trains have been swapped across to reverse in P10 (and at times P9 too), as this is operationally a bay at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 18, 2020, 11:25:15
    Here's the reason:

    Quote
    A signalling cable for SB901 on the Down Main became loose and was struck by the pantograph of 800304 on 1A17. This pulled the signalling cable onto the OLE on the Up Main causing damage to both.

    SB901 signal is one of a couple that are mounted on the OLE support rather than a seperate signal structure (there is a similar one, T596 at Maidenhead).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 18, 2020, 11:33:02
    Indeed.  The signal is now repaired and the overheads in the process of being repaired, but until they are nothing is able to use the Up Main between Didcot East and Reading - there are a couple of trains 1P24 and 1L13 showing as on the Up Main on OpenTrainTimes, but they have hung in their system from yesterday and aren't actually there!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 18, 2020, 15:48:47
    Indeed.  The signal is now repaired and the overheads in the process of being repaired, but until they are nothing is able to use the Up Main between Didcot East and Reading - there are a couple of trains 1P24 and 1L13 showing as on the Up Main on OpenTrainTimes, but they have hung in their system from yesterday and aren't actually there!

    I hope not, as the signals in rear of each train description are showing clear on the OTT map! ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2020, 17:57:38
    Line closed between Didcot and Reading from 2130 tonight until 0600 tomorrow in an attempt to get it fixed.

    GWR telling everyone to travel early tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2020, 18:06:41
    Line closed between Didcot and Reading from 2130 tonight until 0600 tomorrow in an attempt to get it fixed.

    GWR telling everyone to travel early tonight.

    Ummm - where exactly are they saying this !

    Not on any public presence that I can see (and I’ve just arrived at Paddington
    )
     ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 18, 2020, 18:11:58
    Line closed between Didcot and Reading from 2130 tonight until 0600 tomorrow in an attempt to get it fixed.

    GWR telling everyone to travel early tonight.

    Ummm - where exactly are they saying this !

    Not on any public presence that I can see (and I’ve just arrived at Paddington
    )
     ::)


    @GWRHelp on Twitter

    Quote
    ⚠️ Emergency work will take place from 21:30 this evening to repair storm damage to overhead electric wires between #DidcotParkway and #Reading. Please travel earlier this evening if you can.

    Image with that tweet:
    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/helpmoredetail.jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2020, 18:48:17
    Fair enough  ;D

    I’m just surprised there was no mention (announcements or on screens) at Reading or Paddington ....



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on February 18, 2020, 18:51:36
    Network Rail also did an excellent job in tweeting how it affects various parts of the network:
    https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1229812620435304449?s=21
    Scroll down for each area affected.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on February 18, 2020, 20:45:21
    Not quite the same as on the GWR website but that often takes second place to Twitter now something I find frustrating. Why should I have to sign up and give my information to a third party to get current or accurate information?





    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: paul7575 on February 18, 2020, 21:26:31
    I’m a bit suspicious of this, a signalling cable came into contact with Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) because of recent bad weather?   

    I’d be wondering whether it had ever been correctly secured in the first place, this shouldn’t really be able to happen...

    Paul

    Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 19, 2020, 07:20:35
    Looks like we are entering day 3  :-[

    Hard to comprehend how much damage a signal cable coming loose can do !


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ray951 on February 19, 2020, 08:42:06
    Looks like we are entering day 3  :-[

    Hard to comprehend how much damage a signal cable coming loose can do !

    Similiar to yesterday 4 out of 6 peak services cancelled between Didcot and Oxford.

    I gave up and took the car again, along with the daily delays I am not sure why I bother commuting by train these days. And then I remember I have to use the A34.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 19, 2020, 09:59:55
    According to information posted elsewhere, the OLE has been repaired but the signal hasn't.  Don't quite understand why one signal being out of use should result in so much disruption (unless the damage was more extensive than originally reported).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on February 19, 2020, 10:16:25
    The stopping trains between Didcot and Reading also remain considerably reduced (less than a third running I'd guess), with fast London bound trains all using the relief line.

    Presumably they will try again to fix tonight?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 19, 2020, 10:32:45
    Stopping services look to be hourly instead of half-hourly. The morning peak was more then decimated with no services at Pangbourne in the Up direction until 0655 and the 0705 not arriving until 0724.

    GWR do not seem to be thinking about mitigating passenger impact either. There's no acceptance of tickets at alternative stations (e.g. Theale for Pangbourne) and neither is there any relief to permit passengers to circulate via Didcot. Both would reduce the impact on passenger delays and even reduce Delay Repay liability.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2020, 13:07:12
    According to information posted elsewhere, the OLE has been repaired but the signal hasn't.  Don't quite understand why one signal being out of use should result in so much disruption (unless the damage was more extensive than originally reported).

    According to the log, with T832 showing no aspect, all trains would have to be stopped twice, firstly at the signal before to warn of it showing no aspect, then stopped again  to be authorised to pass it,  and then 3.5 working (whatever that is?) to Reading West Junction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on February 19, 2020, 14:30:59
    Yesterday I had planned to take the train to Goring, walk up into the edge of the Chilterns and down into Pangbourne. I was musing to a friend that if there were no trains at Pangbourne I could walk back home (a good further 75 minutes) - probably along the permissive path that runs at the bottom of the railway embankment. The main road into Pangbourne (from the Purley side) was flooded and so was the footpath alongside it.

    Instead I decided to take the car and drive to Compton and then up to the Ridgeway. As I neared the DNS trackbed I recalled the YouTube clip about

    Churn Station (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O6mtC0Pmxc)

    I'd visited the remains decades ago and as I approached the site was minded to do so again, but couldn't remember the exact location. It was muddy and windy (even windier up on the Ridgeway), so I left it for another day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Reading General on February 19, 2020, 14:40:32

    I'd visited the remains decades ago and as I approached the site was minded to do so again, but couldn't remember the exact location. It was muddy and windy (even windier up on the Ridgeway), so I left it for another day.[/color]

    There is still a platform noticeable, and a curious buzzing sound.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on February 19, 2020, 17:43:03
    Perhaps when it was open it was one of the least-used stations in Southern England - except when soldiers were camped nearby.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: lbraine on February 19, 2020, 18:05:12
    Paddington tonight at 17:41 - devoid of trains Platforms 1-8


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on February 19, 2020, 18:32:40
    Re Churn Station (or Halt)

    (Moderators- new thread please- not sure where? )

    In recent years its remains have largely disappeared into the vegetation. Easiest way to find it is to go along the Ridgeway. It's just north of the bridge that takes the Ridgeway over the track bed of the DN&S north of Compton.

    There's no public access to the site of the station itself, and whereas in the 1980s you could walk down the track bed all the way from Compton it's long been too overgrown to do so.

    Hope that helps!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on February 19, 2020, 22:43:54
    When I got back home, I checked the station site on an old OS map and marked the position on mn modern one.

    Since I've already taken this thread off track (apologies) I'll mention that the stretch of the DNS between Hampstead Norris village hall and Furze Hill, Hermitage has just been cleared and turned into a recreational route (one has to walk under the M4 bridge).

    In a weak attempt to get back on topic, I'll observe that some think that if the DNS had remained open, it would have taken freight off the Thames Valley line and perhaps reduced the need for the extensive recent works east of Reading Station. (And if that prompts further discussion the mods WILL have to consider moving these last few posts.)








    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on February 20, 2020, 07:43:20
    Back on topic- all seems well this morning between Reading and Didcot.

    No delays or cancellations and fast trains back running on the up main.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 20, 2020, 09:19:59
    Not quite. The 0621 Didcot-Paddington started from Didcot late and ran fast to Reading. The next service, 0634 Didcot-Paddington also started late but didn't skip so ended up 13 down at Paddington.

    Still an improvement on previous days.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on February 21, 2020, 15:03:36
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound high speed line.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:30 21/02.

    A few 15-20 minute delays showing at Reading earlier. Estimated end of disruption has been extended from 14:30 to 15:30 so far... and lo:

    Quote
    Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Last Updated:21/02/2020 15:32


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on February 21, 2020, 17:04:59
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Newbury.
    Impact:
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 21/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 22, 2020, 10:11:39
    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington


    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:45 22/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 28, 2020, 06:06:49
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Southall
    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Slough and Southall some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 28/02.
    Customer Advice
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 28, 2020, 06:15:52
    Customer Advice
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    For those of us who don't often travel within (not just through) that corridor ... amazing that such arrangements have to be made and are not just standard.  I know it's not unique to this journey - seen it with open access operators on the East Coast - but between two government specified operations?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on February 28, 2020, 07:38:09
    National Rail now says delays possible up to 0830. I'm planning to go to Paddington and then on to Kentish Town to meet a friend. There's just 30 minutes' leeway in my schedule and, given the ominous weather forecast, am wondering whether to use the delays as an excuse to postpone our meeting. Can't say I fancy walking around London in heavy rain. I'll check again later.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 28, 2020, 19:40:18
    Cancellations to services at Acton Main Line

    Due to a person being hit by a train at Acton Main Line some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 22:00 28/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 15, 2020, 13:53:28
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway

    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: W5tRailfinder on March 15, 2020, 14:37:59
    I was monitoring the Crossrail testing on Open Train Times. Only lines 1 to 3 available.

    1C15 1300 Pad to Bri stopped at Ladbroke Grove signal SN107 for approx 45 minutes. It went back into Pad.

    Everything sorted out by 14:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: W5tRailfinder on March 15, 2020, 14:55:49
    Spoke too soon.

    1G42 1433 Pad to Cheltenham, also left on Line 2 and stops at Ladbroke Grove SN107.

    At 1452, it reverses back to Pad.

    Is there a problem on Line 2?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 15, 2020, 15:01:31
    Broken Down Train - back at 15:00 has morphed into

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 15/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 19, 2020, 10:23:04
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Reading


    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Maidenhead and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:00 19/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 19, 2020, 10:31:33
    Currently a 5mph speed restriction over the defective track.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 08, 2020, 16:57:55
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury


    Due to a points failure between Reading and Newbury the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 17:30 08/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2020, 07:36:31
    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2020, 10:24:11
    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/06.

    Update;

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 18/06.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 18, 2020, 18:11:12
    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/06.

    Update;

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 18/06.



    Delays now expected until 2200


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: FremlinsMan on June 18, 2020, 21:21:20
    Will we still be using trains by then?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on June 19, 2020, 09:27:57

    Delays now expected until 2200

    Is that Freudian?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2020, 09:28:30
    After damage to the wires yesterday, it's the turn of the signals to fall over today.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2020, 12:18:01
    Two very poor days for LTV

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:00 19/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on June 19, 2020, 13:56:55
    Problems with overhead wires and then signals - I'm wondering if lightning has been involved, there's been a lot about over the last few days?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 19, 2020, 16:47:49
    Disruption now expected until 1800 and a fair number of cancellations. It's going to be a miserable commute home for a lot of essential workers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on June 19, 2020, 20:16:36
    Followed by problems between Reading and Newbury delaying a few local and West of England services. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on June 20, 2020, 07:33:22
    Glad to see the end of the week of easing lockdown restrictions brings other forms of familiarity ie non working trains!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 20, 2020, 08:04:32
    Glad to see the end of the week of easing lockdown restrictions brings other forms of familiarity ie non working trains!

    During the height of the lockdown there was a reduced service which meant less stress on the systems, maintenance were able to get easier access during the day and at night to resolve faults and failures due to the reduced numbers of trains.

    Under the current Covid Secure Regs staff dealing with faults cannot work the same way as they use to, as soon as they need to work within 2 metres of each other they need to carry out a risk assessment and agree how they are going to do the task. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on June 20, 2020, 10:37:01
    Under the current Covid Secure Regs staff dealing with faults cannot work the same way as they use to, as soon as they need to work within 2 metres of each other they need to carry out a risk assessment and agree how they are going to do the task. 

    And for those jobs that can't be done while keeping 2 m apart, here's what you do... (https://safety.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/COVID-19-Masks-Face-Shield-Visors-Subs.mp4)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on June 20, 2020, 15:46:18
    Under the current Covid Secure Regs staff dealing with faults cannot work the same way as they use to, as soon as they need to work within 2 metres of each other they need to carry out a risk assessment and agree how they are going to do the task. 

    And for those jobs that can't be done while keeping 2 m apart, here's what you do... (https://safety.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/COVID-19-Masks-Face-Shield-Visors-Subs.mp4)

    Yes and it working well on site, but I know from actual experience it does add time to tasks; however this is improving as the maintenance teams have got accustomed to the additional measures.

    Some teams have been affected by normal team members having to self isolated due to their or members of their house hold needing to shield.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 05, 2020, 08:07:18
    Alterations to services between Slough and Maidenhead

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are closed.
    Train services running through these stations will be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 05/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 28, 2020, 06:24:04
    Cancellations to services at Reading

    Due to a points failure at Reading fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 06:45 28/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 29, 2020, 15:45:12
    Delays to services between Newbury and Bedwyn
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Bedwyn all lines are disrupted.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 29/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 29, 2020, 16:22:18
    Delays to services between Newbury and Bedwyn
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Bedwyn all lines are disrupted.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 29/07.

    Yep .... and diverted too.

    Quote
    14:12 Paignton to London Paddington due 17:09
    14:12 Paignton to London Paddington due 17:09 will be diverted between Westbury and Reading.
    It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 34 minutes late.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

    There she goes ...
    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/1a87_20200729.jpg)
    ... could really do with double track through there!
    (from Open Train Times (https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/westbury#T_MELKSHM))


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2020, 07:20:49
    Delays to services at London Paddington

    Due to a problem currently under investigation at London Paddington:
    Train services running to and from this station will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 21/09.

    (According to National Rail it's a signalling fault between Paddington and West Drayton and there will be problems until 10am)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on October 19, 2020, 12:00:37
    There's a lot of red at Reading this morning on RTT, and 1A10 stopped short there. 
    Any ideas as to 'wasson' please?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 19, 2020, 13:19:24
    There's a lot of red at Reading this morning on RTT, and 1A10 stopped short there. 
    Any ideas as to 'wasson' please?

    Whatever it was, it was quickly resolved ... I was with the Swindon Gateline doing Journey Maker stuff and a few delays flashed up and then soon cleared - 'minor issue' - perhaps an alert of some sort going off relating to track, signalling or power that was quickly corrected - perhaps in the monitoring circuits - or found to be finger trouble somewhere.  Educated guess, by that way!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 19, 2020, 13:56:06
    I was watching on Open Train Times and it seemed everything came to a stop just east of Reading around 9am.

    1A10 (07:49 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington) and 1A72 (05:34 Plymouth to London Paddington) were both at a stand just after leaving the platform.    Both then returned to the station.  After a while 1A10 continued empty to North Pole Depot while 1A72 went to Paddington arriving nearly an hour late.   It had already been delayed by problems on the Berks & Hants.

    Caused delays to quite a few westbound services as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on October 19, 2020, 14:02:08
    1A10 is showing as "cancelled between Reading and London Paddington due to an issue with the train crew (TG)." So maybe a driver taken ill?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2020, 17:51:52
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Bedwyn

    Due to a road vehicle colliding with level crossing barriers between Reading and Bedwyn trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines towards Bedwyn.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 03/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 14, 2020, 16:25:55
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Bourne End

    Due to earlier engineering works not being finished on time between Maidenhead and Bourne End all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or suspended. Disruption is expected until 18:30 14/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 22, 2020, 21:19:06
    Oh dear.......

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.


    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2020, 05:59:42
    Oh dear.......

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.


    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    .....continuing today.......all day

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Further Information
    An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
    As a result of damage to a section of the overhead power lines in the Ealing Broadway area during Sunday evening some remedial work is required. In order to facilitate this some lines will be closed and fewer trains will be able to operate between London Paddington and Reading.
    .
    Train services will still be available serving all routes that are normally covered. However, for certain journeys a change of train may be required and / or the frequency of them will be reduced.
    .
    Apart from longer distance services, those train services which normally operate between London Paddington and Bedwyn will only operate between Reading and Bedwyn in both directions with customers from / to London Paddington having to use other services for that portion of the journey, changing trains at Reading.
    .
    Local stopping train services which normally operate between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway will only operate between Reading and Didcot Parkway in both directions with customers from / to London Paddington having to use other services and a change of train will be required at Reading.
    GWR ticket holders may use TfL Elizabeth Line train services between Reading and London Paddington, in either direction, as an alternative.
    .
    Fast train services between London Paddington, Slough, Reading and Oxford will not operate in either direction except where they form a longer distance service to / from Worcester.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 02, 2020, 05:41:37
    Damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington is resulting in some lines being blocked between these stations.

    Trains running to / from London Paddington may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 24, 2021, 10:50:47
    Cancellations to services at Reading.

    Due to a points failure at Reading fewer trains are able to run on the line.
    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:15 24/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 01, 2021, 08:52:46
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to a broken down train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 01/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 01, 2021, 12:41:30
    Spare a thought for the signallers at TVSC who are trying to keep the trains running west of Reading.  Up passenger trains from the B&H are currently being taken round Reading West curve into Tilehurst P3, and then reversing to get into Reading via the Up Loop.  The UR at Reading West Junction is currently occupied by 435F which failed at Pangbourne earlier this morning but managed to get itself to where it is which, thanks to the Up Loop, allows trains to pass it.

    As II said a while ago, the new layout is very flexible.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 01, 2021, 13:20:21
    It was another failed freight, 6A62, which caused most of the problems, failing at Reading West and blocking access to and from both the Feeder Main and Feeder Relief lines as well as the up and down Westbury and the Up Reading West Curve.

    Not a good place to stop!  Basically, the only route available through Reading West in either direction was via the Down Reading West Curve, so up trains were sent from there to Tilehurst and then (if heading to Reading) reversing there and running via the Up Passenger Loop (around the other freight) into Reading.  That wouldn't have been possible until the resignalling, so it would have been much worse.   Also, the OHLE on the Down Reading West Curve doesn't get used often, but certainly came in handy today - not that many passengers would have been there to witness it!

    Rescue loco has now moved 6A62, so it's 'NWR' (Normal Working Resumed).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 01, 2021, 13:50:53
    How long does it take to change ends on a Class 80x? Is there a potential issue with keying in the train number in what was the rear cab, especially if the train is somewhere it shouldn't be?  I ask because, watching Tratsky maps, it seemed to take longer than it would do in a low tech Turbo etc.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 01, 2021, 14:43:18
    It takes a little longer than something like a Turbo, two or three minutes at a guess, mainly due to having to enter the ATP data.  Plus of course a 9-car takes about 4 minutes to walk through when the driver changes ends, even longer for a 10-car.  The train number shouldn't be a problem, especially if doors aren't opened.

    For a reference point, IIRC the allowance for a 5-car IET to change ends is 7 minutes.  That's to immobilise one end, walk to the other, and set-up the other cab.  Of course, at the moment, there may be an additional short delay whilst the driver sanitises the cab controls to their satisfaction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 03, 2021, 06:41:01
    Several of these cancellations this morning;

    07:16 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 08:20 will be cancelled.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 25, 2021, 06:48:47


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    lengthy list of cancellations/amendments on Journeycheck - thank God for home working!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2021, 06:57:48
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 26/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on March 22, 2021, 04:55:24
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Timed at 04:15 - until the end of the day - one heck of an "inspection"??

    35+ service running "part route" as I write - mostly Paddington <-> Bedwyn and Paddington <-> Didcot services running west of Reading only.

    Edit - this post merged in from "London to Reading" board - grahame


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 22, 2021, 05:44:56
    Good start to the week.....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 22, 2021, 12:14:12
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Timed at 04:15 - until the end of the day - one heck of an "inspection"??

    Crack in the points on the Down Main Line at Southall West Junction, so a 20mph ESR imposed until the end of service.  No doubt the techs will be keeping a close eye on it throughout the day to ensure it hasn't got any worse, so I guess that is an all day inspection?  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 14, 2021, 07:00:51
    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 08:00 14/04.

    Customer Advice:
    A broken down Network Rail engineering train is blocking one of the 4 lines to and from Paddington. Local train services operated by Great Western, MTR and Heathrow Express have been reduced as a consequence.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 18, 2021, 14:17:52
    Affecting services to Bristol, Wales & the South West as well as locals

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed by up to 40 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2021, 06:39:41
    Cancellations to services at Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:30 04/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on May 04, 2021, 07:34:48
    Cancellations to services at Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:30 04/05.
    Now extended to 08h30


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2021, 11:16:25
    Cancellations to services at Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:30 04/05.
    Now extended to 08h30


    Midday now......seems to be having quite a wide geographical effect.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 04, 2021, 11:46:18
    Midday now......seems to be having quite a wide geographical effect.

    I blinked and it was 13:30 ....

    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading the line towards Basingstoke is blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station will be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 04/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2021, 13:34:57
    Midday now......seems to be having quite a wide geographical effect.

    I blinked and it was 13:30 ....

    Quote
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading the line towards Basingstoke is blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station will be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 04/05.

    1500 now


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on May 04, 2021, 15:19:47
    1500 now

    Blink again ...

    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading the line towards Basingstoke is blocked.
    Train services running to and from this station will be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 04/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 04, 2021, 15:31:44
    To explain the shifting timescales, I gather some signalling cables were replaced, but when re-energised the signals were still faulty, so further fault finding is ongoing.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on May 04, 2021, 18:25:10
    Just had a quick look at Open Trains and realtime Trains. Southcote junction seems to affected. West England trains are being held at various signals presumably talked pass. Line to Basingstoke seems to be closed nothing moving.

    Just watched !K22 (1735 RFG Bedwyn (cancelled from Pad) held at Oxford Road Jn for 40 minutes just arrivng at Theale 40 late.

    If you ga on real time trains and search for 1K22 you get 8 trains with that number.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2021, 18:36:27
    2000 now......not blinking any more!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 05, 2021, 08:37:04

    A fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway means some lines are blocked. Trains running between these stations may be delayed, cancelled or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 11:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 08, 2021, 06:53:05
    Alterations to services between Reading and Maidenhead

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Maidenhead some lines towards London Paddington are disrupted.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Reading and Maidenhead. Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/06.


    Updated:

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Maidenhead some lines towards London Paddington are disrupted.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop from Reading. Twyford and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/06.
    Customer Advice
    Due to a signalling problem, only one of the two London bound lines is available. To reduce congestion and delays in the area, GWR and TfL Rail train services are running non-stop between Reading and Slough to reduce congestion and delays.
    .
    If you are at Twyford or Maidenhead and travelling to stations from Slough to London Paddington, you are advised to travel via Reading and change for connecting train services to Slough and London Paddington.
    .
    If you are travelling from Reading to Twyford or Maidenhead, you are advised to travel via Slough and change for connecting train services to Maidenhead and Twyford.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 13, 2021, 14:23:12
    Delays to services between Maidenhead and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Maidenhead and London Paddington some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:00 13/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 15, 2021, 07:16:00
    Again.

    From National Rail

    Seems to becoming far more frequent recently;


    A fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough means some lines are disrupted. Trains running between these stations may be delayed or cancelled.

    Disruption is expected until 10:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2021, 20:09:58
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 21:00 01/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 02, 2021, 16:07:09
    Just in time for the Friday "rush hour"

    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 02/07.

    Customer Advice
    One of the 2 lines that run into Paddington is closed following the report of a track defect. Network Rail engineers are investigating, and there may be delays due to congestion in the area.


    ......and

    Delays to services at Reading

    Due to trespassers on the railway at Reading all lines are disrupted.

    Train services running to and from this station will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:30 02/07.

    Customer Advice
    British Transport Police are chasing a trespasser who is running around the tracks at Reading Station. All trains are stopped as a precaution.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 03, 2021, 07:50:26
    .......and another one.

    Seems to be becoming an increasingly common problem (again)


    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 03/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 04, 2021, 07:54:51
    .......and another one.

    Seems to be becoming an increasingly common problem (again)


    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 03/07.

    There has been a significant change to how NR staff access the railway to carry out maintenance and fault repair; on the Wales & Western Region they have phased out completely access to the rail with 'unassisted lookouts'  that is you will no longer see someone with flags and a horn to warn staff of approaching trains.  Other Regions of NR are rapidly reaching the same.

    What impact has this had, first more maintenance staff are having to work nights, this has reduced the size of the teams working days thereby stretching the resources to react to faults on days.  Second if the team sent to respond to a fault need to get to equipment that means they need to get onto the track to either walk to equipment or track equipment they need to have a 'Line Block'

    There is work being done to improve access to equipment but this is a long lead item, recruiting more staff is unlikely currently due to NR going through a major restructuring due to Covid-19 impact on revenue, the restructuring will result in reduction of NR staff numbers


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 04, 2021, 08:27:05
    .......and another one.

    Seems to be becoming an increasingly common problem (again)


    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:15 03/07.

    There has been a significant change to how NR staff access the railway to carry out maintenance and fault repair; on the Wales & Western Region they have phased out completely access to the rail with 'unassisted lookouts'  that is you will no longer see someone with flags and a horn to warn staff of approaching trains.  Other Regions of NR are rapidly reaching the same.

    What impact has this had, first more maintenance staff are having to work nights, this has reduced the size of the teams working days thereby stretching the resources to react to faults on days.  Second if the team sent to respond to a fault need to get to equipment that means they need to get onto the track to either walk to equipment or track equipment they need to have a 'Line Block'

    There is work being done to improve access to equipment but this is a long lead item, recruiting more staff is unlikely currently due to NR going through a major restructuring due to Covid-19 impact on revenue, the restructuring will result in reduction of NR staff numbers

    Thanks that's interesting background.

    Probably not a great strategy to let reliability suffer and prolong disruption when the railway is facing a huge loss in business revenue and desperately needs to demonstrate reliability in order to attract more leisure travellers.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 04, 2021, 08:46:06
    There has been a significant change to how NR staff access the railway to carry out maintenance and fault repair ...

    Very interesting background, and look ahead too to the future of staffing to deal with immediate faults.  Thank you.

    The need to keep constant vigilance on systems and the danger of track staff working on the line anywhere near open lines / running trains was highlighted again this week in a RAIB report (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safety-digest-032021-llandegai-tunnel/near-miss-with-track-workers-at-llandegai-tunnel-llandygai-gwynedd-13-february-2021) - in this case where one of a pair of lines (double track) was closed, but something went wrong and the workers were on the line that remained open.

    Quote
    At around 12:33 hrs on 13 February 2021, a track worker undertaking inspection work narrowly avoided being struck by a train in Llandegai tunnel, near Bangor.

    ...

    The group had just entered the tunnel on the down line (the line used by trains heading west) and were using a long pole to remove icicles from the water deflection sheeting on the tunnel roof. The COSS heard the horn, turned and saw the train approaching them. He shouted that they were on the wrong line and managed to get to safety on the other line. The other track worker tried to do the same but fell over. He then managed to roll into the space between the tracks. The driver saw that the track worker was across the right-hand running rail of the down line, and immediately applied the emergency brake and sounded the horn again. CCTV from the train showed that the track worker managed to crawl clear with about a second to spare.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: AMLAG on July 04, 2021, 10:09:14

    This was YET AGAIN another case of a serious safety incident involving staff not directly employed by Network Rail, but Contractors to NR.

    Don't be fooled by thinking that 'Orange Army' HV kitted and branded  'Network Rail'  personnel are 'in house' NR directly employed staff; they are increasingly Contractors, Sub Contractors, sub sub Contractors, Consultants and Zero hours agency labourers,
    often travelling long distances, especially the latter often from the Welsh Valleys, to unfamiliar locations.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 04, 2021, 10:42:16

    This was YET AGAIN another case of a serious safety incident involving staff not directly employed by Network Rail, but Contractors to NR.

    Don't be fooled by thinking that 'Orange Army' HV kitted and branded  'Network Rail'  personnel are 'in house' NR directly employed staff; they are increasingly Contractors, Sub Contractors, sub sub Contractors, Consultants and Zero hours agency labourers,
    often travelling long distances, especially the latter often from the Welsh Valleys, to unfamiliar locations.



    The rules about wearing NR branded PPE are quite strict.   The wearer must have the company name of their Sentinel sponsor.

    The use of zero hour contracts has been greatly reduced for safety critical rolls.  The first tier contractor must also monitor the travelling time of its sub contract work force.   The signing in to a work site by the use of a Sentinel card is quite common on large work sites and is increasing in use for small / adhoc work sites.  The sentinel system knows the holders home post code and systems are being trialled to flag up where the post code to site travelling time exceeds 2 hours.

    Sentinel is industry standard used by NR, LUL, HS1 etc and will identify anyone 'double shifting' on different infrastructure operators worksites; this used to be quite common in London and SE with people working a night shift on LUL or NR and then doing a day shift on the other 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Lee on July 04, 2021, 11:06:20
    Sentinel is industry standard used by NR, LUL, HS1 etc and will identify anyone 'double shiting' on different infrastructure operators worksites; this used to be quite common in London and SE with people working a night shift on LUL or NR and then doing a day shift on the other 

    It is good to know that there are robust systems in place to deal with the nasty smell associated with 'double shiting'...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 04, 2021, 11:53:04
    Sentinel is industry standard used by NR, LUL, HS1 etc and will identify anyone 'double shiting' on different infrastructure operators worksites; this used to be quite common in London and SE with people working a night shift on LUL or NR and then doing a day shift on the other 

    It is good to know that there are robust systems in place to deal with the nasty smell associated with 'double shiting'...

    There have been incidents serious enough for RAIB reporting to note a contributory factor being people working two shifts for different employers, at least one (both?) being safety critical.  The whole wider business of folks doing their safety critical jobs (often with the best intent - to "not let people down") when they have other stuff going on which means they're not on the ball.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on July 04, 2021, 18:20:48
    Sentinel is industry standard used by NR, LUL, HS1 etc and will identify anyone 'double shiting' on different infrastructure operators worksites; this used to be quite common in London and SE with people working a night shift on LUL or NR and then doing a day shift on the other 

    It is good to know that there are robust systems in place to deal with the nasty smell associated with 'double shiting'...

    Oppppppppppsie  ;D

    Sentinel is industry standard used by NR, LUL, HS1 etc and will identify anyone 'double shiting' on different infrastructure operators worksites; this used to be quite common in London and SE with people working a night shift on LUL or NR and then doing a day shift on the other 

    It is good to know that there are robust systems in place to deal with the nasty smell associated with 'double shiting'...

    There have been incidents serious enough for RAIB reporting to note a contributory factor being people working two shifts for different employers, at least one (both?) being safety critical.  The whole wider business of folks doing their safety critical jobs (often with the best intent - to "not let people down") when they have other stuff going on which means they're not on the ball.

    It is not unknown for NR to remove Contractors / suppliers from the approved list where a contractor / supplier fails to improve their safety management


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 27, 2021, 19:43:45
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading all lines are disrupted.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:30 27/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on July 28, 2021, 11:09:14
    Due to a derailed train between Reading and Reading West:
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or diverted between Reading and Reading West. Disruption is expected until 14:00 28/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 22, 2021, 14:45:12
    Due to a broken down train between Bedwyn and Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:30 22/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 12, 2021, 20:19:39
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or running non stop between Slough and London Paddington. Ealing Broadway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    Network Rail need to attend the slow lines between Slough and London Paddington for urgent repairs. Stopping services between Slough and London Paddington will be unable to call at Ealing Broadway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on September 13, 2021, 12:16:42
    Customer Advice
    Network Rail need to attend the slow lines between Slough and London Paddington for urgent repairs. Stopping services between Slough and London Paddington will be unable to call at Ealing Broadway.

    Network Rail will have upset GWR Relief lines please


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2021, 10:42:51
    Alterations to services at London Paddington

    Due to a points failure at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from this station may be terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Additional Information
    Owing to a Points Failure in the London Paddington area, Services originating at Bedwyn or Newbury heading for London Paddington will be terminated at Reading. Passengers are advised to change at Reading for London Paddington.

    Services from London Paddington with the destination of Newbury or Bedwyn will be started at Reading. Passengers are advised to board the next available GWR service from London Paddington to Reading and change at Reading for stations towards Newbury and Bedwyn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2021, 20:43:59
    Second time today.....

    and Reading
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between London Paddington and Reading will be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes.
    Customer Advice
    If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Additional Information
    Please be advised that owing to a significantly cracked set of points (signalling equipment used to direct trains from one section of track to another) just outside of London Paddington, Network Rail have decided to take an early possession of certain lines running in and out of Paddington station this evening. This is so the repair work can be completed overnight ready for start of service tomorrow morning. From 21:00 railway lines 1-6 into Paddington will be closed until the end of service. As a result, the train service into and out of London Paddington this evening will be 'thinned out' in order to prevent significant congestion of trains using fewer lines and thus allowing the engineers to complete their repair work uninterrupted. We apologise for any inconvenience caused to your journey this evening. For further assistance with your journey please speak to our station or onboard staff.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 14, 2021, 13:45:03
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Westbury

    Due to a lorry colliding with a bridge between Reading and Westbury all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:30 14/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2021, 14:26:12
    Line has just reopened at 1425. I'm on the move from Hungerford toward Westbury.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on October 14, 2021, 14:43:26
    Line has just reopened at 1425. I'm on the move from Hungerford toward Westbury.
    That’s your journey to Westbury paid for then.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2021, 14:45:16
    Line has just reopened at 1425. I'm on the move from Hungerford toward Westbury.
    That’s your journey to Westbury paid for then.

    Yup. Was originally headed for Melksham to collect Finn who was staying with grahame. He's now meeting me at Westbury for doggy handover. I will then head home to Templecombe via Salisbury (separate ticket). Had I completed journey by rail to Melksham then I would've been around 130 mins late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 21, 2021, 11:27:18
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on October 27, 2021, 20:22:16
    Line has just reopened at 1425. I'm on the move from Hungerford toward Westbury.
    That’s your journey to Westbury paid for then.

    As I would've been over two hours late at Melksham I applied for a full refund.

    Happy to report the full refund was paid into my bank account today, 27th October 2021. Less than 10 working days since the claim was submitted. Well done GWR!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 01, 2021, 07:12:51
    Cancellations to services between Bedwyn and Newbury

    Due to slippery rails between Bedwyn and Newbury the line towards Bedwyn is blocked.

    Train services running through these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:15 01/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 01, 2021, 08:01:13
    Cancellations to services between Bedwyn and Newbury

    Due to slippery rails between Bedwyn and Newbury the line towards Bedwyn is blocked.

    Train services running through these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:15 01/11.

    Reported to be the turnback siding at Bedwyn. Shouldn't affect through services to/from the west.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2021, 20:48:41
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Heathrow Airport.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:30 03/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 05, 2021, 09:00:09
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:30 05/11.

    Customer Advice:
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on November 05, 2021, 09:56:13
    Customer Advice:
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Aren't they valid normally?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 05, 2021, 10:44:34
    Customer Advice:
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Aren't they valid normally?

    I'm sure there are some tickets not normally valid on TfL trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on November 05, 2021, 14:20:55
    Customer Advice:
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Aren't they valid normally?
    An advance ticket?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CJB666 on November 06, 2021, 08:20:16
    Meanwhile Waterloo <> Reading was blocked at Barnes due to police action. Not sure why. But I had to get home from Clapham Junction via Kingston then the X26 bus rather than by Feltham.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 11, 2021, 05:40:51
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:00 11/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 11, 2021, 06:35:07
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:00 11/11.

    Disruption now till 0900


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on November 11, 2021, 08:38:58
    At 0840 the message was "A fault with the signalling system in the Acton Main Line area is resulting in disruption to trains between Reading / Heathrow Airport and London Paddington. Trains may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or cancelled until approximately 11:00."

    I have a special interest as I'm about to make a rare foray into Reading, though it appears that the stopping service from Didcot is not going beyond Reading, so hopefully they're keep to the timetable as far as I'm concerned. On my last two journeys the 0933 was cancelled.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 11, 2021, 10:43:42
    At 0840 the message was "A fault with the signalling system in the Acton Main Line area is resulting in disruption to trains between Reading / Heathrow Airport and London Paddington. Trains may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or cancelled until approximately 11:00."

    I have a special interest as I'm about to make a rare foray into Reading, though it appears that the stopping service from Didcot is not going beyond Reading, so hopefully they're keep to the timetable as far as I'm concerned. On my last two journeys the 0923 was cancelled.



    Now 1300


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PrestburyRoad on November 11, 2021, 11:45:34
    Now 15:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on November 11, 2021, 15:25:13
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:00 11/11.

    Now "disruption is expected until the end of the day."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on November 12, 2021, 14:43:04
    Quote
       
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 16:00 12/11.

    Impact:
    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or diverted between Reading and Chippenham.

    Customer Advice:
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids in both directions until further notice.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Bristol Temple Meads and Worcestershire Parkway Ll in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Knock-on problems in the Westbury area too. Congestion caused by diverted London <-> Bristol/South Wales services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 12, 2021, 16:04:54
    Quote
       
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 16:00 12/11.

    Impact:
    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or diverted between Reading and Chippenham.

    Customer Advice:
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids in both directions until further notice.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Bristol Temple Meads and Worcestershire Parkway Ll in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Knock-on problems in the Westbury area too. Congestion caused by diverted London <-> Bristol/South Wales services.


    Disruption now expected until 1730 - hopefully this won't impact too many people going to Wembley, may make for a rather unpleasant atmosphere if it does.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 22, 2021, 06:49:48
    Last night’s 19:20 from Carmarthen to London Paddington came to a stand just east of Twyford shortly after 23:30 with a seized gearbox.  Passengers were evacuated but the train remains there while a search is made for the specialist equipment to move it.

    Unfortunately it is by the crossovers at Ruscombe so trains are having to cross to the relief lines at Twyford West and then back over at Maidenhead East.

    Some services are being turned at Reading but there are likely to be delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 22, 2021, 07:11:23
    Full day of chaos by the looks of it.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough
    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Slough some lines towards Slough are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on November 22, 2021, 13:20:49
    Last night’s 19:20 from Carmarthen to London Paddington came to a stand just east of Twyford shortly after 23:30 with a seized gearbox.  Passengers were evacuated but the train remains there while a search is made for the specialist equipment to move it.

    Unfortunately it is by the crossovers at Ruscombe so trains are having to cross to the relief lines at Twyford West and then back over at Maidenhead East.
    It appears to be still there, nearly 14 hours later.  Although its TD has changed from "1L96" to "5CAR".  There doesn't seem to be much urgency in getting it wheelskated and towed away.  Possibly a corporate dread of what wheelskates do to axle counters.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 22, 2021, 13:27:36
    I think it’s more to do with “a shortage of wheelskates”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 22, 2021, 14:11:36
    And best done overnight as the two adjacent lines would need to be blocked for a while whilst the skates are fitted and the set slowly moved. 

    Suggestions of ‘chaos’ seem rather overblown though - the odd cancellation and a few delays of mostly 5-10 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 22, 2021, 15:07:46
    Having passed the stricken unit (800002) twice today it is clear it’s going to be a tricky one to rescue. It’s right by the crossovers at Ruscombe.  Points and wheel skates are always going to be a challenge.

    As with almost anything IET - they need a specific type of skate, which for some reason seems to be in short supply. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 22, 2021, 18:29:19
    A couple of issues with wheel skates, the adjacent line will need to be under a possession to jack the offending wheel set and fit the skates and then there is the max speed on the skate will not be much more that 10 or 20 mph.

    Quite possibly the decision mas made to rescue it tonight, question is do they tow it to Reading or Northpole 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 22, 2021, 22:16:23
    There is now a block in place on the Down Main past the failed train so hopefully plans are afoot to move it.  Down Relief remains open.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 23, 2021, 00:21:02
    There is now a block in place on the Down Main past the failed train so hopefully plans are afoot to move it.  Down Relief remains open.

    Quote
    Due to a broken down train between Reading and Slough some lines towards Slough are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 04:15 23/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: MVR S&T on November 24, 2021, 22:14:13
     Alterations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to a broken down train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Pangbourne will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Passengers for Pangbourne at Didcot Parkway are advised to cycle back via Reading. Please speak to station staff for any further assistance. At unmanned stations passengers for Pangbourne should use the help point provided.
    Further Information

    If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay

    Replacement rail Bicycle service then?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on November 25, 2021, 07:04:16
    Quote
    advised to cycle back via Reading

    That could be read that you cycle to Reading and then on to Pangbourne. There are obviously passengers that are a lot fitter than I am. Not to mention that the roads concerned aren't exactly cycle-friendly.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on November 26, 2021, 17:47:38
    The Thames Path can be cycled from Pangbourne to Goring.

    However, contrary to the expectation that it might be somewhat genteel given it's adjacent to the river, there are some serious climbs and descents (including one which is effectively a long series of steps).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on November 26, 2021, 20:27:40
    I presume that "cycle" is a typo for "circulate" which is the new railway term for "find your own way, we are not making any special arrangements"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 26, 2021, 23:45:45
    I presume that "cycle" is a typo for "circulate" which is the new railway term for "find your own way, we are not making any special arrangements"

    "Circulate" in this recent (I think) sense, for coping with trains that can't stop somewhere, means go the wrong way and catch a train back through this station (or counterwise). "Cycle" looks like an attempt to find another word for this, perhaps due to complaints that "circulate" wasn't clear enough. Oh well, back to the word cupboard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2021, 06:51:33
    I presume that "cycle" is a typo for "circulate" which is the new railway term for "find your own way, we are not making any special arrangements"

    I would be pretty sure it does mean "circulate" - my understanding of that being an instruction to take a route with an intermediate change, usually doubling back, as in "Passengers for Pilning should circulate via Newport (South Wales)" 

    It does not preclude special arrangements, such as a train being held at the intermediate change point to allow a connection, or even a special stop made an that intermediate change point.  It typically happens at a two platform station where the platform in one direction is not available.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on November 29, 2021, 08:38:04
    There seems to be a stark increase in infrastructure problems across the whole network with daily points and signaling failures.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on November 29, 2021, 08:50:32
    I do wonder if we still had 'local' (manned/staffed) signal boxes, would there be less delay minutes with infrastructure problems?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 01, 2021, 07:14:23
    GWR Journeycheck yet to catch up but;

    Train operator affected




    A fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway means some lines are blocked.

    Services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised.

    This is expected until 08:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2021, 08:40:28
    Yet another signal failure - seems to be becoming endemic

    Cancellations to services between Southall and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 10/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 14, 2021, 07:12:10
    .......and another one......


    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:15 14/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 14, 2021, 08:36:05
    Network Rail Western have just tweeted that the fault, near Southall, has been fixed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 27, 2021, 22:12:20
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:15 27/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 14, 2022, 12:57:43
    Delays & Cancellations between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Hayes & Harlington and Slough fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 14:00 14/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2022, 10:50:53
    Delays to services between Reading and Westbury

    Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Reading and Westbury trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:30 23/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on January 23, 2022, 11:12:48
    Quote
    a level crossing between Reading and Westbury

    Wouldn't it be helpful to say which level crossing? A quick check shows (if I can count) 12 services today that run between Reading and Newbury or Bedwyn only.

    It surely cannot be too difficult to say that there's a level crossing problem at X, and that trains travelling between Y and Z are currently unable to pass, and that there may be consequential disruption to services between A and B after the problem is fixed? It give the passenger a better starting point for deciding if to travel, and how much they need worry of they have picked this up on the train and it hasn't already been announced?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 23, 2022, 11:28:37
    Quote
    a level crossing between Reading and Westbury

    Wouldn't it be helpful to say which level crossing? A quick check shows (if I can count) 12 services today that run between Reading and Newbury or Bedwyn only.

    For today ... I have just remembered ... no trains between Swindon and Didcot so there are diversions across that crossing - wherever it is.

    Quote
    08:29 Weston-Super-Mare to London Paddington due 11:12
     
    08:29 Weston-Super-Mare to London Paddington due 11:12 is being delayed between Bath Spa and Reading and is now expected to be 30 minutes late.
    This is due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing.

    I'm of two minds about localising the data - for one metric of readers, yes, useful, but for another metric there's an inevitable question "where is Aldermaston" or "Kint-where?" on reading the report.   When the PIS system locally here used to report that the train had "passed Thingley Junction" the knowelgable on the platform got a warm and fuzzy feeling  that it was getting closer, and the rest panicked because the information had changed from "Chippenham" which they knew to some other spot they couldn't place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 23, 2022, 11:50:01
    Midgham and Colthrop are the crossings.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on January 23, 2022, 16:18:39
    Quote
    I'm of two minds about localising the data

    Point taken Grahame, but it doesn't take much initiative to add "between Reading and Newbury" to make it clear. I expect too with the lamentable level of knowledge of the geography of our own country, many taking trains passing through Westbury have no idea where it is or that they might be passing through it!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 25, 2022, 07:14:36
    Due to a safety inspection on a train between Newbury and Westbury all lines are blocked

    Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted between Westbury and Reading. Disruption is expected until 09:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 25, 2022, 09:41:56
    To be fair, this issue appears to be a suspected fire on a freight service from Haverfordwest to Theale which is still at a stand just east of Kintbury (as at 0930).

    Local press report can be found at https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/train-fire-blocks-line-near-kintbury-9236745/ (https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/train-fire-blocks-line-near-kintbury-9236745/) which also includes twitter postings from the local fire service.

    Quote
    A suspected fire on a train has blocked the line between Newbury and Westbury this morning (Tuesday).

    A safety inspection of the train, which is believed to be around one mile outside Kintbury train station, is currently taking place, according to Great Western Railway.

    It said that train services "running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted between Westbury and Reading".

    Disruption is expected until around 9am.

    Two fire engines from Newbury were also at Kintbury station this morning after reports that the driver of a train had believed there was a fire onboard his train, but that was now out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 25, 2022, 09:45:58
    To be fair, this issue appears to be a suspected fire on a freight service from Haverfordwest to Theale which is still at a stand just east of Kintbury (as at 0930).


    Indeed. Sewing the threads together:

    By the way, it was absolutely correct to close the Berks and Hants for the safety checks and any aftermath - my comments above relate to the use of the diversion.  What we really need on mornings like this (and on EVERY morning!) is more capacity.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 28, 2022, 08:04:44
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 28/01.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the signalling system in the Hayes & Harlington area, fewer trains are able to run. Network Rail technicians are now on-site.

    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 28, 2022, 09:14:55
    West Drayton according to TfL….now reopened


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 28, 2022, 11:16:06
    One of those days?

    Cancellations to services at Hungerford

    Due to a lorry colliding with a bridge at Hungerford all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 28/01.

    Customer Advice
    A lorry has struck a bridge at Hungerford. Engineers need to examine the bridge before trains can move over it safely.
    Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Newbury and Bedwyn in both directions until further notice. Replacement coaches have been requested to run between Newbury and Bedwyn, via Kintbury and Hungerford, in both directions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: infoman on February 07, 2022, 07:34:50
    until at least 09:00am monday 7 feb due to lineside fire


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 07, 2022, 07:41:27
    According to TfL journeycheck, it’s “in the Paddington area”.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 07, 2022, 07:48:09
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fire next to the track between Reading and London Paddington all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 07/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 07, 2022, 08:13:00
    TfL services also affected & say it’s “in the Paddungton area”. Far more useful than “between Reading & Paddington”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 07, 2022, 08:20:46
    BBC London travel tweet

    Quote
    There's a fire next to the track between #Paddington and Acton Main Line
    - No @GWRHelp between Paddington and Reading
    -@HeathrowExpress suspended
    -#TFLRail suspended Paddington to Heathrow
    -@chilternrailway @SW_Help @AvantiWestCoast #Tube accepting tickets for reasonable routes


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 07, 2022, 08:29:19
    Trains now starting to move between Paddington and Reading, all out of sequence, etc.
    Big jigsaw to sort out.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 07, 2022, 08:48:51
    New topic started here http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=25991.msg318206#msg318206

    Perhaps the mods can merge please?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 07, 2022, 09:25:27
    New topic started here http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=25991.msg318206#msg318206

    Perhaps the mods can merge please?


    Yes, later - though off on much else at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 07, 2022, 09:49:52
    Now merged.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on February 07, 2022, 17:07:21
    From the LBC website
    Quote
    LFB said in a statement: "We were called at 6.41am to reports of a trackside fire at railway line near Canal Way, North Kensington.

    "Some trackside switch equipment and trackside cabling were damaged by fire. There were no reports of any injuries.

    "We sent one fire engine from North Kensington Station. The fire was under control by 0740."

    At least 12 Great Western Railway (GWR) trains were cancelled and many more are delayed, the company said.

    Disruption is ongoing, with routes run by GWR and Transport for London (TfL) affected. 

    Canal Way just before Ladbrook Grove overbridge


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2022, 06:13:54
    Due to a points failure between Westbury and Newbury the line towards Newbury is blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be terminated at and started back from Newbury.

    All stations between Westbury and Newbury will not be served. Disruption is expected until 06:45 08/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 15, 2022, 05:59:05
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a road vehicle blocking the railway between London Paddington and Reading all lines towards Maidenhead are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:45 15/02.
    Customer Advice
    A vehicle has crashed onto the railway in the Maidenhead Area, there will be fewer train services running between London Paddington and Reading with severe delays until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 15, 2022, 06:21:06
    Looks like a car has crashed onto the railway line, presumably from the motorway bridge west of the station.  Could take a while to sort out!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 15, 2022, 06:50:48
    Looks like a car has crashed onto the railway line, presumably from the motorway bridge west of the station.  Could take a while to sort out!

    Just to update that the car stopped on the embankment slope rather than making it onto the tracks, so only the up relief line remains closed now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 15, 2022, 07:30:38
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a road vehicle blocking the railway between London Paddington and Reading the London Paddington bound local stopping line is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 15/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 15, 2022, 07:42:06
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Following a road vehicle blocking the railway between London Paddington and Reading all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services have been cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 15/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 15, 2022, 10:17:15
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading will be blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 15/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 15, 2022, 11:55:17
    Looks like a car has crashed onto the railway line, presumably from the motorway bridge west of the station.  Could take a while to sort out!

    Just to update that the car stopped on the embankment slope rather than making it onto the tracks, so only the up relief line remains closed now.

    Made the BBC website
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-60385564


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on February 15, 2022, 12:55:01
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Following a road vehicle blocking the railway between London Paddington and Reading all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services have been cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 15/02.
    Now there’s a points failure at Haynes end Harrington causing delays and cancellations


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on February 15, 2022, 18:28:31
    Credit to GWR this morning for keeping services between Reading and Didcot going by using a two car turbo.

    It was also my first refurbished one. Still the same uncomfortable seats, but at least it had undergone a good deep clean and looked a lot brighter inside with the new colour scheme,  and the new seat fabric is the "mark 2" more durable looking GWR stuff


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on February 15, 2022, 18:33:31
    Later in the day there were 387 shuttles. Completely confused the PIS at Reading where they would appear in the main lists, but not on the platform ones showing the next train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 15, 2022, 18:39:20
    It was also my first refurbished one. Still the same uncomfortable seats, but at least it had undergone a good deep clean and looked a lot brighter inside with the new colour scheme,  and the new seat fabric is the "mark 2" more durable looking GWR stuff

    There was a brief discussion about the refurbished Turbos a day or two back.  I've attached a couple of photos for those who haven't seen one yet.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on February 15, 2022, 20:10:00
    Credit to GWR this morning for keeping services between Reading and Didcot going by using a two car turbo.

    It was also my first refurbished one. Still the same uncomfortable seats, but at least it had undergone a good deep clean and looked a lot brighter inside with the new colour scheme,  and the new seat fabric is the "mark 2" more durable looking GWR stuff

    According to local FB page, the car was being chased by Police along Cherry Garden Lane, Maidenhead.  The driver of the offending vehicle did not realise the lane was a dead end!!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 15, 2022, 22:13:09
    Hasn’t that happened before at that location?  Sounds familiar 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 25, 2022, 17:16:23
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines towards Oxford are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 18:00 25/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on February 25, 2022, 18:14:50
    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines towards Oxford are blocked.
    So that's a zero m.p.h. limit  ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 03, 2022, 17:57:53
    Due to a broken down train between Bedwyn and Newbury the line towards Newbury is blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 19:00 03/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 05, 2022, 22:51:00
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Twyford all lines towards Twyford will be blocked.

    Train services running through these stations will be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 23:15 05/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on March 06, 2022, 11:55:20
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Twyford all lines towards Twyford will be blocked.

    An interesting signalling block - is it between Newbury and Reading or Reading and Twyford?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2022, 17:03:42
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines towards Didcot Parkway.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 07/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 08, 2022, 08:14:56
    Due to a problem with line-side equipment between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:30 08/03.

    Customer Advice
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 08, 2022, 08:52:32
    Anyone able to translate ‘line-side equipment’ in this case? What exactly is faulty that isn’t signalling nor track?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on March 08, 2022, 09:04:28
    A missing speed restriction board at Southall, meaning all trains need to be stopped at the preceeding signal and told what speed they must proceed at.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 08, 2022, 09:21:28
    Couldn’t that be done while stationary at Reading station? Or would identifying the correct location (signal xx123) mean that drivers would not know which signal that was until pasding it & seeing the ID on the actual signal?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 11, 2022, 22:31:51
    Following a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines have now reopened.

    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 16, 2022, 22:18:34
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Westbury trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Further Information


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 23, 2022, 16:33:42
    Second time today, and these failures seem to be becoming a lot more common generally.

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington.

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 23, 2022, 17:12:03
    Second time today, and these failures seem to be becoming a lot more common generally.

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington.

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/03.

    There may be a number of factors.

    If it is the same set of points there could be an intermittent fault these are notoriously difficult to locate.

    Access to the open railway is now governed by "the trackworker safety programme" the days of site lookouts with flags and a whistle to access the open railway has been consigned to the history books this means the team repairing the fault more often than not need to have line blocks.

    Many of the front line maintenance are catching up on held over leave, to clear this leave this year more people have been allowed time off than would be normal


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 30, 2022, 07:03:31
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a broken down train between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 30/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on April 04, 2022, 20:03:15
    Hello to anyone else in the Lounge at Paddington this evening...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 05, 2022, 21:12:13

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on April 06, 2022, 17:09:37
    Not again...

    06/04/2022 16:53

    Lines have reopened between London Paddington and Reading following a person being hit by a train. Trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Berkshire can't be that bad, can it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 06, 2022, 20:21:35
    Not again...

    06/04/2022 16:53

    Lines have reopened between London Paddington and Reading following a person being hit by a train. Trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Berkshire can't be that bad, can it?

    Maidenhead area, not sure if it was on the station, there were a couple of NR staff doing some clearing of items from the country end of Plat 1 this evening.  Maidenhead is one of only 2 stations between Reading and London that does not have 'fast line platform separation fences'


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 07, 2022, 06:21:52
    I have split off the developing conversation about trends in rail fatalities to http://www.passenger.chat/26261 - really not "Infrastructure problems in the Thames Valley" where it would have been hidden.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 07, 2022, 06:49:13
    Not again...

    06/04/2022 16:53

    Lines have reopened between London Paddington and Reading following a person being hit by a train. Trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Berkshire can't be that bad, can it?

    I don't think it's a Berkshire thing

    I got caught up in this yesterday and ended up with a very late arrival home via Waterloo & Windsor.......but at least I got home.

    Thoughts with all those affected.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 07, 2022, 07:48:37
    I don't think it's a Berkshire thing

    No and yes.  There are certainly places where people are hit by trains far more than in other places - communities in which seeking help and sorting things out is not seen as the first option, or even as an option.  And some of those are places between London and Reading. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on April 07, 2022, 10:12:05
    Not again...

    06/04/2022 16:53

    Lines have reopened between London Paddington and Reading following a person being hit by a train. Trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Berkshire can't be that bad, can it?

    Maidenhead area, not sure if it was on the station, there were a couple of NR staff doing some clearing of items from the country end of Plat 1 this evening.  Maidenhead is one of only 2 stations between Reading and London that does not have 'fast line platform separation fences'

    It was Maidenhead on Monday as well. Looked like it happened a fair way west of the station, but that's probably just the stopping distance.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on April 07, 2022, 10:44:54
    Not again...

    06/04/2022 16:53

    Lines have reopened between London Paddington and Reading following a person being hit by a train. Trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Berkshire can't be that bad, can it?

    I don't think it's a Berkshire thing

    I got caught up in this yesterday and ended up with a very late arrival home via Waterloo & Windsor.......but at least I got home.

    Thoughts with all those affected.



    At least you had an alternate route. I did fish out the phone on Monday night, and it was quickly apparent that we had no option but to sit it out at Paddington (in the lounge, so couldn't have been stuck anywhere better really; shame the wine finishes at 7pm!). Yes, we could have gone to Marylebone and then Oxford, but then there would be no Oxford-Hereford trains. I also looked at the possibility of going via Birmingham (very not permitted, but much faster than playing with Waterloo and getting stranded in Salisbury), but the Birmingham-Cardiff service finishes very, very early too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 07, 2022, 13:23:21
    Cotswold trains were running with delays as they were reversing at Reading & returning....I caught the 1645 off Oxford just 15 late 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 07, 2022, 15:14:23
    Generally speaking if the lines are shut between PAD<>RDG and you’re heading to the North Cotswolds, I’d recommend Chiltern to Oxford and then as Chris says there’s usually some sort of service provided by turning round the trains at either Reading or Oxford.  It won’t be perfect, but there’s usually something.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 07, 2022, 16:03:14
    I don't think it's a Berkshire thing

    No and yes.  There are certainly places where people are hit by trains far more than in other places - communities in which seeking help and sorting things out is not seen as the first option, or even as an option.  And some of those are places between London and Reading. 

    The truth is somewhat more prosaic.

    At numerous points, it is very easy to gain access to the railway line between Reading & Paddington.

    There are truly dismal suicide websites which point this out and suggest it as a location to those thinking of ending it all....I don't recommend reading them.

    That said, I note that there's another one today, at Plymouth.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on April 07, 2022, 17:47:25
    Generally speaking if the lines are shut between PAD<>RDG and you’re heading to the North Cotswolds, I’d recommend Chiltern to Oxford and then as Chris says there’s usually some sort of service provided by turning round the trains at either Reading or Oxford.  It won’t be perfect, but there’s usually something.
    Yeah, the point was I was going to Wales: so that line is useless if the trains don't reach Hereford (and would be much better if they extended them to Newport in such circumstances, rather than cutting them back to Worcester Shrub Hill).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 08, 2022, 08:34:16
    Back to the usual - this problem now seems to be becoming endemic between Reading and Paddington;

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading the line towards Reading is blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:15 08/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 08, 2022, 10:09:26
    Back to the usual - this problem now seems to be becoming endemic between Reading and Paddington;

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading the line towards Reading is blocked.

    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:15 08/04.

    Disruption now expected till 1100


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 08, 2022, 10:22:34
    Quote
    Following a points failure between London Paddington and Reading the line towards London Paddington is now open.
    Train services running to and from these stations are now running normally.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on April 08, 2022, 11:03:00
    Thanks for bringing the topic back to infrastructure issues, guys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 13, 2022, 05:29:14
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading the London Paddington bound high speed line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 05:30 13/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 13, 2022, 08:04:30
    Seems to be the London side of Hayes & Harlington. TfL are always more accurate


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 13, 2022, 08:45:53
    Ladbroke Grove


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 13, 2022, 10:37:12
    … and that marked the end of my planned first trip to London in 2022. All rather annoying.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 14, 2022, 18:28:53
    ......here we go again....


    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until the end of the day


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 19, 2022, 07:31:47
    .....welcome to the new working week...... ::)


    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Southall

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Southall some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 19/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 19, 2022, 09:55:44
    It is posible there vacancies in the maintenance depots which I understand NR Snr Executive have agreed with the RMT cannot be filled until the National negotiations with the Trade Unions is happening.  This means that as staff retire or resign posts are not being filled, there are apprentices that have been held back while the reorganisation is being worked through. If the vacancies are deemed safety critical then they can be filled internally by higher grade cover also some temporary cover is used however this is by local agreement.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2022, 06:08:53
    Again.  Dozens of cancellations and "alterations" already listed.

    Complete farce.


    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 20, 2022, 06:34:00
    This is indeed becoming quite tedious. Time for another letter to Theresa about how her commuter towns have become ‘uncommutable’.

    Useless


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on April 20, 2022, 07:31:13
    Tfl services are now suspended. No way in or out from the Thames Valley.

    Slow clap.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 20, 2022, 11:25:57
    Now I've finally moved from Twyford to the middle of nowhere I really don't miss my commute. My future employment prospects may be limited but I suspect my day is a lot less stressful.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on April 20, 2022, 11:31:03
    I think it's about time that the operators put pressure on Network Rail to issue a statement setting out full reasons for the constant disruption....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2022, 15:48:56
    I think it's about time that the operators put pressure on Network Rail to issue a statement setting out full reasons for the constant disruption....

    A nice idea, but I suspect the familiar rail industry "Omerta" will be observed and the frontline staff will be left to explain as best they can.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on April 22, 2022, 13:21:55
    Does "not having any meal-break-cover signallers at TVSC" count as an Infrastructure Problem?

    Paddington has closed from 1030 to 1100 this morning, and is about to close(*) again from 1330 to 1500.

    Quote from: NationalRail website, Service Disruptions page
    Due to a shortage of signalling staff there will be disruption to journeys to / from London Paddington. Trains running between London Paddington and Heathrow Airport / Reading may be cancelled or delayed.

    This disruption is anticipated from 13:30 until 15:00.

    (*) - all trains brought to a safe stand at a station, then have to wait there until the relevant workstation is manned again.

    Edit to add:
    Apologies - just seen the other thread about signalling staff taken ill.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 22, 2022, 13:38:48
    Does "not having any meal-break-cover signallers at TVSC" count as an Infrastructure Problem?

    Paddington has closed from 1030 to 1100 this morning, and is about to close(*) again from 1330 to 1500.

    Quote from: NationalRail website, Service Disruptions page
    Due to a shortage of signalling staff there will be disruption to journeys to / from London Paddington. Trains running between London Paddington and Heathrow Airport / Reading may be cancelled or delayed.

    This disruption is anticipated from 13:30 until 15:00.

    (*) - all trains brought to a safe stand at a station, then have to wait there until the relevant workstation is manned again.

    Edit to add:
    Apologies - just seen the other thread about signalling staff taken ill.


    I don't think you need to apologise.

    My understanding (from a member of GWR staff) is that like everyone else they are somewhat short staffed due to COVID rather than people suddenly keeling over in situ as "taken ill" may suggest,  but due to being a tad shorthanded everything pretty much grinds to a halt when Johnny Signaller takes his tea/lunchbreak, which would probably be borne out by the timings you suggest.

    One could imagine a Monty Python sketch portraying the scene!



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 22, 2022, 16:12:15
    Does "not having any meal-break-cover signallers at TVSC" count as an Infrastructure Problem?

    Paddington has closed from 1030 to 1100 this morning, and is about to close(*) again from 1330 to 1500.

    Quote from: NationalRail website, Service Disruptions page
    Due to a shortage of signalling staff there will be disruption to journeys to / from London Paddington. Trains running between London Paddington and Heathrow Airport / Reading may be cancelled or delayed.

    This disruption is anticipated from 13:30 until 15:00.

    (*) - all trains brought to a safe stand at a station, then have to wait there until the relevant workstation is manned again.

    Edit to add:
    Apologies - just seen the other thread about signalling staff taken ill.


    I don't think you need to apologise.

    My understanding (from a member of GWR staff) is that like everyone else they are somewhat short staffed due to COVID rather than people suddenly keeling over in situ as "taken ill" may suggest,  but due to being a tad shorthanded everything pretty much grinds to a halt when Johnny Signaller takes his tea/lunchbreak, which would probably be borne out by the timings you suggest.

    One could imagine a Monty Python sketch portraying the scene!


    It may also be compounded by the Easter holidays, with a number of key staff on leave add others being ill with Covid.  Signallers, Electrical Control Room and front line maintenance teams did not have the ability to work from home during lockdown there is quite a bit of leave to use up by the end of 2022.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 28, 2022, 05:22:30
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice

    Transport for London are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    TFL Rail are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Reading and Oxford in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Reading and London Waterloo in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 28, 2022, 05:46:12
    3,758 replies and 1,041,050 views on this single forum thread - "Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere, since October 2014" - that's seven and a half years worth of issues.  It's our most replied topic of all time, and second most viewed topic.

    JourneyCheck lists seven train cancellation and no fewer than 27 "Other Train Service Updates" this morning just up to the 11:41 Bedwyn to Paddington:
    Quote
    11:41 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 12:52 will be terminated at Reading.  It will no longer call at London Paddington.
    So really a cancellation for any passengers who had hoped to use it into Paddington. As the overall report says "disruption expected all day", I expect we'll see more trains cancelled for all or part of their route as the day goes on ...

    "These things happen" ... sure they do.  But should they really have been happening so frequently, over such a long period?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 28, 2022, 06:48:10
    3,758 replies and 1,041,050 views on this single forum thread - "Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere, since October 2014" - that's seven and a half years worth of issues.  It's our most replied topic of all time, and second most viewed topic.

    JourneyCheck lists seven train cancellation and no fewer than 27 "Other Train Service Updates" this morning just up to the 11:41 Bedwyn to Paddington:
    Quote
    11:41 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 12:52 will be terminated at Reading.  It will no longer call at London Paddington.
    So really a cancellation for any passengers who had hoped to use it into Paddington. As the overall report says "disruption expected all day", I expect we'll see more trains cancelled for all or part of their route as the day goes on ...

    "These things happen" ... sure they do.  But should they really have been happening so frequently, over such a long period?

    This current issue, and I suspect it's the same one or at least connected to it, has been causing huge disruption sometimes twice a week for around 6 weeks now, no-one seems too bothered about fixing it and there is no effective communication from GWR other than what you've seen.

    https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/295127.aspx

    Just pray that today the signaller doesn't want a tea break too.........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 28, 2022, 09:33:10
    Today's issue is a broken rail adjacent to a set of points at Ladbroke Grove.

    (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/padlad3.png)
    (from OpenTrainTimes)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on April 29, 2022, 09:25:50
    Perhaps not applicable to *this* broken rail, is it the case that Network Rail disbanded their flash butt welding expertise and teams and returned to the previous (and inferior) method.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on April 29, 2022, 19:32:08
    Well,  after today I will be able to follow this thread with a bit more equanimity.  I am on my last ever commute home from work!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 30, 2022, 16:43:52
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Twyford and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 30/04.

    Customer Advice
    Trains are being delayed into Reading while Network Rail technicians attend to a signalling fault on one of the 4 lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 09, 2022, 06:54:17
    From National Rail, local services mainly affected it seems.....

    Route affected

    between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Train operator affected

    Heathrow Express

    Great Western Railway

    TfL Rail

    Description

    Following overrunning engineering works between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington lines have reopened. As a result, trains may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. This is expected until 07:00.

    Check before you travel:
    You can check your journey using the National Rail Enquiries real-time Journey Planner


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on June 10, 2022, 14:42:16
    Reported bridge strike in the Pangbourne area. Trains being cautioned through the area causing at least 10 min delay.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 14, 2022, 16:45:22
    Delays between Reading & London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes

    Disruption is expected until 1730


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 28, 2022, 09:58:23

    Cancellations to services between West Drayton and London Paddington

    Due to a broken rail between
    West Drayton and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2022, 06:36:50
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:15 07/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on July 07, 2022, 08:56:12
    Platforms 11, 12 and 14 out of use at Paddington causing congestion.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 11, 2022, 14:58:09
    The sun has appeared and so there is a points failure in LTV. Disruption expected until 16.00 but I’ll be equally delighted and surprised if it is fixed by rush hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 11, 2022, 15:21:28
    No speed restrictions yet due to heat though which is a bit surprising.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 11, 2022, 17:02:00
    The sun has appeared and so there is a points failure in LTV. Disruption expected until 16.00 but I’ll be equally delighted and surprised if it is fixed by rush hour.

    Feel free to express your delight & surprise. Everything seems to have returned to normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on July 11, 2022, 17:36:31
    Yes indeed!

    The emojis available don’t do justice to my joy! :D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 11, 2022, 21:28:49
    Spoke too soon!.....

    Due to a points failure between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:00 11/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2022, 14:37:45
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling
    system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 25/07.

    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2022, 15:08:45
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling
    system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 25/07.

    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    .......now pushed out to 1630, a lot of GWR services being started from/terminated at Reading.

    Elizabeth Line to the rescue!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 02, 2022, 21:32:23
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Following a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading will be cancelled or delayed by up to 80 minutes.

    Customer Advice

    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Pleaese note Elizabeth line services are affected by this issue - please check your journey before you travel.

    Additional Information
    Two axle counters have failed at London Paddington. Axle counters are sensors on wheels that talk to a piece of equipment on the track to help track the location of trains. When there is a fault with axle counters, signallers are unable to determine if a section of track is occupied by a train.

    Network Rail techs are on site attempting to fix the failed axle counters.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2022, 22:24:23

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fire next to the track between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:00 08/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 09, 2022, 19:52:07

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fire next to the track between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:00 08/08.

    Not really a railway infrastructure problem, the fire was on adjacent land that threatened the railway infrastructure also the OLE would have been discharged and the lines blocked to allow the Fire Service the freedom to fight the fire

     https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/news/20610218.langley-fire-breaks-near-railway/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 17, 2022, 17:32:59
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 18:00 17/08


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 23, 2022, 06:04:02
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 70 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 07:00 23/08.

    Customer Advice
    A train may have caused damage to the overheard wires in the Slough area. Where possible, trains will use the faster high-speed lines. This will lead to congestion in the Slough area, where 4 lines are reduced to 2.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 23, 2022, 07:28:46
    Situation not helped by an unconnected signal failure in the Langley area as well.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 23, 2022, 12:55:52
    Situation not helped by an unconnected signal failure in the Langley area as well.

    Looks like the signal failure is ongoing (assuming it's the same one)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 07, 2022, 09:29:32
    Ongoing for several hours now.

    Alterations to services at London Paddington
    Due to a problem with line-side equipment at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 07/09.

    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice.
    Additional Information
    Several axle counters at London Paddington have failed. Platforms 10-14 are closed. Axle counters use magnetic fields to help signallers determine a train's location. When there is a fault with axle counters, signallers are unable to determine if a section of track is occupied by a train.

    We are sorry for any disruption this brings to your travel plans today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 07, 2022, 12:20:21
    Looks to have been fixed in the last hour.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 07, 2022, 13:22:33
    ..and now it has failed again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2022, 09:48:09
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:30 09/09.

    Customer Advice
    A train has identified a possible track defect in the Hanwell area. Network Rail staff are on site confirming this. As soon as we have more information we will give this to you. We're sorry for any disruption for your travel plans today.
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between Reading and London Paddington in both directions until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 08:13:06
    Well that's a great start isn't it?

    Today of all days  ::)

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/09.

    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 19, 2022, 08:20:59
    Coupled with a person hit by a train near Newbury there are lengthy delays for services coming from the west.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 19, 2022, 08:37:14
    How do train crews manage if they run out of hours whilst stuck at a red in dual incidents such as this?
    They can hardly refuse to move & sit down on the job?
    Hadn't thought of that aspect before - guess the GWR staff manager at Control will be aware of those issues & relieve staff at the next convenient stop, even if the crews affected are long out of hours.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 08:48:25
    Well that's a great start isn't it?

    Today of all days  ::)

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/09.

    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    UPDATE

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on September 19, 2022, 08:49:42
    Network Rail are expecting Paddington to be closed for the WHOLE DAY.  This is not the day to close a major terminus that serves Windsor.  


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 19, 2022, 08:54:33
    The wiring has come down and is touching the top of an IET. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 09:08:16
    I guess this means that people can at least get as far as Reading.

    Cancellations to services between Newbury and Bedwyn

    Following a person hit by a train between Newbury and Bedwyn all lines have now reopened.

    Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services will still be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:30 19/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 09:12:19
    The wiring has come down and is touching the top of an IET. 

    Overhead lines are damaged on all but one line heading into Paddington.

    Of all the days for this to happen…..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on September 19, 2022, 09:35:19
    Tweet from a passenger going to SLO saying he's been stuck for 2 hours just outside PAD on the 06:25 (to DID):
    https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571765559338930176 (https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571765559338930176)

    And a reply from GWR saying that the train will be evacuated:
    https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1571767549838106625 (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1571767549838106625)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 09:37:58
    Tweet from a passenger going to SLO saying he's been stuck for 2 hours just outside PAD on the 06:25 (to DID):
    https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571765559338930176 (https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571765559338930176)

    And a reply from GWR saying that the train will be evacuated:
    https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1571767549838106625 (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1571767549838106625)

    That’ll take time due to the number of stranded trains in the area that all require evacuation.  It requires a significant number of staff to arrange. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 19, 2022, 09:51:24
    The wiring has come down and is touching the top of an IET. 

    Overhead lines are damaged on all but one line heading into Paddington.

    Of all the days for this to happen…..

    Is that headspan OLE? 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 10:25:57
    The wiring has come down and is touching the top of an IET. 

    Overhead lines are damaged on all but one line heading into Paddington.

    Of all the days for this to happen…..

    Is that headspan OLE? 

    I believe so.

    Confirmed as two trains entangled in the overheads. One IET and a TfL service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on September 19, 2022, 10:26:21
    The Tweeter Rory who was stuck on the 06:25 has posted a photo after being evacuated from the train at Ladbroke Grove:

    https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571787433473179648 (https://twitter.com/rgshanks/status/1571787433473179648)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 19, 2022, 11:21:20
    Well that's a great start isn't it?

    Today of all days  ::)

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 19/09.

    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A bit of sad irony the reason why the Royal Navy pull the gun carriage at state funeral dates back to 1901 at Queen Victorias funeral
    "Owing to the lateness of the train which conveyed Her Majesty’s coffin from Paddington to Windsor the horses attached to the gun-carriage had become cold. When the word of command ‘Walk …March’ was given, the leaders twice reared up, and then fell back on the other horses, which caused all six to fall down".

    The ropes were provided by the Great Western Railway to the Royal Navy to pull the gun carriage.

    Little consolation to those trying to get to London today



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 19, 2022, 11:56:00
    BBC Coverage at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-62952485

    Quote
    Queen's funeral: Mourners face severe rail delays to London and Windsor


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 12:13:09
    BBC Coverage at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-62952485

    Quote
    Queen's funeral: Mourners face severe rail delays to London and Windsor

    Even for an industry which is no stranger to shockingly poor service, this must absolutely be the bottom of the barrel.

    A national embarrassment.

    ..............and people still have to get home of course, despite disruption continuing until "the end of the day"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 19, 2022, 12:29:34
    There’s no doubt it doesn’t reflect well but what can you do?   If a train or trains brings down the wiring and closes the majority of lines there isn’t much you can do in the immediate short term.

    Running diesel trains wasn’t initially possible because of numerous stranded electric trains.  Rescue locos were summoned from Wembley.  The loco preparing to take the empty sleeper stock back to Reading was also put on standby.

    Clearly sympathy for passengers caught up in the disruption as well as those in the industry who planned and worked on the early morning trains aimed at getting people to London and Windsor.  They will be as frustrated as anyone.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on September 19, 2022, 13:06:48
    Looking at Open Train Times Maps, all 4 lines between Southall and Hayes are still currently (at 13:00) blocked by stranded trains:

    https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/gwml2 (https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/gwml2)

    I believe but can't confirm that it was 1K01 on the Up Main which brought the wires down.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 13:13:44
    Looking at Open Train Times Maps, all 4 lines between Southall and Hayes are still currently (at 13:00) blocked by stranded trains:

    https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/gwml2 (https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/gwml2)

    I believe but can't confirm that it was 1K01 on the Up Main which brought the wires down.



    Correct. 9R18 has also lost its pantograph and requires rescuing.

    Overheads to be reenergised shortly and the up relief and down main can hopefully be reopened once stranded trains have been moved clear.
    Priority is to get the overheads made safe.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 19, 2022, 13:17:41
    There’s no doubt it doesn’t reflect well but what can you do?   If a train or trains brings down the wiring and closes the majority of lines there isn’t much you can do in the immediate short term.

    In the immediate short term, I would agree.  In the medium and long term, the question has be be asked as to whether the system needs improvement to lessen the changes of disruption and cancellation.

    Even for an industry which is no stranger to shockingly poor service, this must absolutely be the bottom of the barrel.

    A national embarrassment.

    ..............and people still have to get home of course, despite disruption continuing until "the end of the day"

    Indeed - but yet if it were a very occasional situation it would be far less of an embarrassment.

    I've looked back at the last seven days on the TransWilts - maximum 8 trains each way per day - for the last 7 days:
    13th - 3 cancelled, 1 later restored, broken train
    16th - 1 cancelled, later restored, train fault. Also 1 delayed
    18th - 2 cancelled, crew delayed
    19th - 5 cancelled (so far), to clear line for trains diverted off other line
    and the timetable ran on the other three of seven days.   And this is not unusual.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 19, 2022, 13:37:29
    As with similar previous fiascos, I ask the same question "How to overseas railways manage" French and German railways do suffer from breakdowns, but one seldom hears of major terminals providing no effective service for hours.

    And also what happened to the "More reliable service that will follow electrification"



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 19, 2022, 13:41:53
    I wonder if there's a group within NR saying "I told you - we should have replaced all that old headspan as soon as we could".


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 19, 2022, 14:04:25
    I wonder if there's a group within NR saying "I told you - we should have replaced all that old headspan as soon as we could".

    I agree, and this would be a good time to announce replacement of at least the worst bits. Time to act quickly, partly to outmaneuver the NIMBYs.

    This also reinforces my previously stated view that ALL new and refurbished electric trains should have either a small diesel engine or a battery sufficient to move the train, at a much reduced speed, when the wires come down. Or to power on board services if the train can not be moved.

    One of the few merits of the failed IET project is the inclusion of a single diesel engine in the nominally electric trains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 19, 2022, 14:10:44
    It seems a fairly frequent occurrence for the OHLE to fail, more so around Paddington.
    Not aware of it being so much of an issue for other London termini.

    From recent comments above, Paddington has older OHLE compared to other stations.
    Whilst it would seem prudent to replace asap, that cost would have to be authorised by the DfT, and probably they are happy for Network Rail/GWR to take the blame and not authorise additional expenditure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 19, 2022, 14:22:32
    I agree, and this would be a good time to announce replacement of at least the worst bits. Time to act quickly, partly to outmaneuver the NIMBYs.

    It seems a fairly frequent occurrence for the OHLE to fail, more so around Paddington.
    Not aware of it being so much of an issue for other London termini.

    From recent comments above, Paddington has older OHLE compared to other stations.
    Whilst it would seem prudent to replace asap, that cost would have to be authorised by the DfT, and probably they are happy for Network Rail/GWR to take the blame and not authorise additional expenditure.

    Yes, out as far as just beyond Hayes the electrification was done 'on the cheap' in the late 90s for the Heathrow Electrification and was virtually all headspan.

    Several of the 'least worst bits' have been replaced over the years, usually around junctions where there is most risk.  You can see this here with the area concerned at between 9-10 minutes in:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMADOeBumAU I agree that all other areas should be replaced as soon as possible.  It is little use having very reliable OHLE, as we do, from 11 miles out of Paddington, if the first 11 miles are still susceptible to widespread damage in the event of failure.

    Lines have now been re-energised between Reading and Stockley Bridge (between West Drayton and Hayes) so AIUI an electric service can now operate as far as Slough/West Drayton from the Reading direction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on September 19, 2022, 15:00:52
    Obviously passengers wanting to get to Heathrow from Paddington are going to be frustrated.

    National Rail say
    Quote
    Passengers travelling to / from Heathrow should use the Piccadilly Line.

    Oh dear. TfL are saying
    Quote
    Piccadilly Line: Severe delays between Acton Town and Heathrow Airport / Uxbridge and between Arnos Grove and Cockfosters due to an earlier signal failure at Arsenal. Tickets are being accepted on London Buses and Great Northern. MINOR DELAYS on the rest of the line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 19, 2022, 15:39:17
    Night Riviera sleeper cancelled in both directions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 19, 2022, 16:04:40
    Night Riviera sleeper cancelled in both directions.

    Don't understand that.
    Entirely diesel hauled.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 19, 2022, 16:14:32
    Could well be due to staffing issues caused by the disruption. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 19, 2022, 16:27:25
    Could well be due to staffing issues caused by the disruption. 

    Or there is a need for a long duration possession tonight to repair the OLE, as it sounds like headspan construction are that was damaged an all lines block may be needed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on September 19, 2022, 16:51:09
    And just seen the "On This Day" story at the top of this page where 25 years ago today, the line was blocked for a horrifyingly different reason.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 17:38:28
    Could well be due to staffing issues caused by the disruption. 

    Or there is a need for a long duration possession tonight to repair the OLE, as it sounds like headspan construction are that was damaged an all lines block may be needed

    Suspect GWR will be picking up some pretty hefty hotel bills tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 19, 2022, 19:12:29
    Suspect that GWR will pass these costs on to Network Rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 19:16:46
    Suspect that GWR will pass these costs on to Network Rail.

    AKA the taxpayer, but that's a p***ing match for GWR & NR to have later......main thing is that all customers are taken care of tonight.

    Now suggesting that disruption will continue until "at least" 0900 tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 19:20:06
    Night Riviera sleeper cancelled in both directions.

    Don't understand that.
    Entirely diesel hauled.


    This mornings sleeper arrival into Paddington is still in the Paddington area! 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 19, 2022, 19:32:06
    Which presumably means that it hasn't yet been cleaned from last night?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on September 19, 2022, 19:42:33
    Looks like SWR has found some crews and stock to run extra services, for example there's an 18:35 and a 19:05 running non-stop from WAT to RDG:

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:79920/2022-09-19/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:79920/2022-09-19/detailed)
    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:79930/2022-09-19/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:79930/2022-09-19/detailed)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 19, 2022, 20:21:50
    Which presumably means that it hasn't yet been cleaned from last night?

    Correct. Train needs cleaning, fuelling and possibly servicing.

    If the up Sleeper was to run I suspect it’ll be extremely difficult to return a set to Penzance and have it ready again for tomorrow night.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 19, 2022, 20:53:32
    Looks like a couple of trains have made it out of Paddington:

    1C94 to Plymouth
    1C31 to Weston super Mare


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 19, 2022, 21:26:20
    Suspect that GWR will pass these costs on to Network Rail.

    That's assuming the fault was with the OLE and not a train pan causing the rip down, it may not even have been the 2 trains directly involved.

    As all the trains on the Western have PanCams the cause will be identified


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 19, 2022, 21:29:45
    Huge queues for Reading services at Waterloo earlier

    https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/status/1571895891686232064?t=4QrsHTZRK0jZNfoPVz5TRQ&s=19

    "Only travel if absolutely necessary" tomorrow morning message going out on NR Twitter now and retweeted by GWR so it isn't looking good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 19, 2022, 21:48:28
    Suspect that GWR will pass these costs on to Network Rail.

    That's assuming the fault was with the OLE and not a train pan causing the rip down, it may not even have been the 2 trains directly involved.

    As all the trains on the Western have PanCams the cause will be identified

    I would have thought the important thing was to find out what went wrong to try to avoid it again. Considering that The Government essential takes all the risk now, how important is it really to assign the costs?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 19, 2022, 23:02:17
    Huge queues for Reading services at Waterloo earlier

    https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/status/1571895891686232064?t=4QrsHTZRK0jZNfoPVz5TRQ&s=19

    No too bad a queue given that all trains were formed of 8 or 10 cars, so room, with standing, for 800+ passengers.  Perhaps one and a half trains worth of queue in that clip?

    Let me put it another way.  I’m sure the queues next summer for a coronation ox roast will be far longer!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 20, 2022, 02:42:37
    Huge queues for Reading services at Waterloo earlier

    https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/status/1571895891686232064?t=4QrsHTZRK0jZNfoPVz5TRQ&s=19

    "Only travel if absolutely necessary" tomorrow morning message going out on NR Twitter now and retweeted by GWR so it isn't looking good.

    "Only travel if absolutely necessary" seems to be an increasingly frequent message these days, for various reasons including strikes, bad weather, cracked trains, signaling failures, and wires down. Hardly encouraging use of the greener transport choice.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 20, 2022, 05:16:25
    "Only travel if absolutely necessary" tomorrow morning message going out on NR Twitter now and retweeted by GWR so it isn't looking good.

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading.

    All stations between Slough and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 12:00 20/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 20, 2022, 07:36:31
    Suspect that GWR will pass these costs on to Network Rail.

    That's assuming the fault was with the OLE and not a train pan causing the rip down, it may not even have been the 2 trains directly involved.

    As all the trains on the Western have PanCams the cause will be identified

    I would have thought the important thing was to find out what went wrong to try to avoid it again. Considering that The Government essential takes all the risk now, how important is it really to assign the costs?

    There has always been 2 threads to these investigations the schedule 8 payment ie money and the technical engineering investigation ie what broke, why and when.

    Unfortunately, the first, money, can hamper the second technical.  In the past some TOC's have not always been able / willing to release the camera footage.  This attitude has changed in the last few years.

    It is easy to say remove all the headspan from the 12 miles, I suspect the NR Region has a plan for this, but there are a couple of things that hamper this -

    • Funding, there is only so much money the ORR /DfT agrees to in a Control Peirod
      Access, the TOC's and ORR have to agree to the possessions / blockades to carry out the work, let's face it the GW Mainline has had 10 years of this for GWEP and Crossrail work so more weekend disruption would not be popular with the public
      Resources, it is difficult and expensive contractually to do a piece meal project, NR does not have an internal team that can do such work so all of this type of work has to be in the Control Period Framework Contract as agreed with the ORR CP funding plan



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 20, 2022, 10:24:10
    Disruption now expected "until the end of the day"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 20, 2022, 10:44:27
    Disruption now expected "until the end of the day"

    But which day?

    I may appear to being cheeky for asking that, however journey check states (10:11 update, today, 20.9.2022)

    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. All stations between Slough and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    and then within the same report
    Quote
    Network Rail rapid response units are on site overnight and we are focussed on getting services up and running as soon as possible. However, due to the extent of the damage, disruption is expected for the rest of today, and until at least 12:00 Tuesday 20 September.

    which suggest the report is old text that has not been updated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 20, 2022, 10:47:58
    Thank you Electric Train for your lovely insight.
    From that, any investigation as to what happened and what evolved will all be for internal consumption, so the likes of we won't get to read it.
    Shame, but understandable


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 20, 2022, 10:50:12
    Disruption now expected "until the end of the day"

    But which day?

    I may appear to being cheeky for asking that, however journey check states (10:11 update, today, 20.9.2022)

    Quote
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. All stations between Slough and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    and then within the same report
    Quote
    Network Rail rapid response units are on site overnight and we are focussed on getting services up and running as soon as possible. However, due to the extent of the damage, disruption is expected for the rest of today, and until at least 12:00 Tuesday 20 September.

    which suggest the report is old text that has not been updated.

    Indeed, sloppy admin most probably.

    Looking at the number of cancellations/"alterations" however,  I'd suggest the end of the day is probably nearer the mark......although which day, as you suggest, is open to question!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 20, 2022, 11:26:46
    End of today.

    Lines opened at 0930, with 2 electric & 2 diesel only.

    Final fix overnight tonight with full service again tomorrow morning


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Clan Line on September 20, 2022, 12:37:19
    For non-rail forum members...........I found this to be most informative:

    https://www.railengineer.co.uk/back-to-portals/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 20, 2022, 13:10:29
    An excellent article.  Very well written and worth a read.  Thanks for the link.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on September 20, 2022, 16:42:36
    Reporter's first-hand account of journey to funeral: Berkshire Live (https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/news-opinion/train-chaos-turned-journey-windsor-25060317)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: broadgage on September 20, 2022, 17:41:48
    Reporter's first-hand account of journey to funeral: Berkshire Live (https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/news-opinion/train-chaos-turned-journey-windsor-25060317)

    ANOTHER group of people who have been put off rail travel, and whom are most unlikely to use rail in future.
    For reasons given elsewhere, I am opposed to flying and to driving, but under present circumstances it is hard to recommend rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 20, 2022, 18:04:58
    Reporter's first-hand account of journey to funeral: Berkshire Live (https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/news-opinion/train-chaos-turned-journey-windsor-25060317)

    ANOTHER group of people who have been put off rail travel, and whom are most unlikely to use rail in future.
    For reasons given elsewhere, I am opposed to flying and to driving, but under present circumstances it is hard to recommend rail.


    A golden opportunity for the railways to show their worth to lots or people who don't use trains very often.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 20, 2022, 18:29:04
    Which presumably means that it hasn't yet been cleaned from last night?

    Correct. Train needs cleaning, fuelling and possibly servicing.

    If the up Sleeper was to run I suspect it’ll be extremely difficult to return a set to Penzance and have it ready again for tomorrow night.

    It's going tonight - starting from Reading @ 0049. Customers booked have been contacted & asked to catch the WAterloo trains to Reading in order to connect, or offered a full refund. Not sure about the UP sleeper but suspect the mirror result - terminates Reading with onward to Waterloo, unless works complete.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on September 20, 2022, 19:04:20
    Think it'd be good if the sleeper were to be allowed to run through to Paddington with delay so long as block is lifted on time, but I guess it depends on how work progresses during the night.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 20, 2022, 19:32:36
    Latest advice..... Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/09.

    Network Rail engineers will undertake further repair work tonight.
    -
    This means GWR will not be able to run services into or out of London Paddington from 2200 this evening until 0600 tomorrow (Wednesday 21 September). Services will start and finish at Reading instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 21, 2022, 07:15:59
    From JourneyCheck as I write:

    Quote
    On Monday 19 September, a train caused significant damage to the overhead lines (power cables) between Slough & London Paddington. Network Rail have been carrying out extensive repair work and have successfully reopened the line.

    Interesting that it assigns cause (fault / blame?) to the train rather than an alternative such it being an infrastructure fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2022, 07:40:39
    I've just spent 45 fruitless minutes at Taplow station with trains being promised & then changing from delayed to cancelled.

    The usually excellent TfL staff seemed to have learned the GWR magical staff service disruption disappearing trick but then one appeared to tell us that there were no trains booked to call for the foreseeable as the OHL problem has reoccurred...hopefully he's mistaken?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 21, 2022, 07:53:24
    Texr alert at 0752 to say it has….how mamny lines involved though?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2022, 07:55:03
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

     D
    isruption expected until 12:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 21, 2022, 07:56:18
    I've just spent 45 fruitless minutes at Taplow station with trains being promised & then changing from delayed to cancelled.

    The usually excellent TfL staff seemed to have learned the GWR magical staff service disruption disappearing trick but then one appeared to tell us that there were no trains booked to call for the foreseeable as the OHL problem has reoccurred...hopefully he's mistaken?

    Let's hope he IS mistaken.  [STOP PRESS - oops - looks like he might be correct!]

    Network Rail have spoken with ITV ...

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-09-20/network-rail-speak-out-after-travel-misery-on-day-of-the-queens-funeral

    Long article

    Effect on passengers

    Quote
    Some passengers missed the memorial service to Her Late Majesty altogether whilst others were forced to reflect on platforms by watching the procession on their phones, having been stuck miles away from events in the capital.

    Operationally:

    Quote
    "It really couldn't have happened at a worse time or in the worst location" says Toby Elliott, Network Rail's communication manager on the Wessex route.

    [snip]

    Toby Elliott added, "Due to the absolute scale of the devastation that took place on the rail network to the actual structure, we couldn't get train services running again yesterday as soon as the incident happened.

    [snip]

    Once the damage has been repaired Network Rail says it will carry out a full in-depth investigation to establish the cause.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2022, 09:38:47
    New OLE incident occured around 0615 this morning in the Old Oak Common area. Another case seemingly of a train damaging the OLE, or maybe vice versa. 1W11 0550 Paddington to Gt Malvern had an ADD activation (Automatic Dropping Device) and had pantograph damage. Presuambly the pantograph was stowed and traction switched to diesel, as the service continued to Worcester where it was terminated due to late running. Network Rail informed GWR that the pantograph may be damaged so the return working, 1P22, is being terminated at Oxford.

    Only the down main is affected at OOC but there are periodic temporary closures of all running lines to allow access to the affected OLE.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 21, 2022, 11:02:36
    New OLE incident occured around 0615 this morning in the Old Oak Common area. Another case seemingly of a train damaging the OLE, or maybe vice versa. 1W11 0550 Paddington to Gt Malvern had an ADD activation (Automatic Dropping Device) and had pantograph damage. Presuambly the pantograph was stowed and traction switched to diesel, as the service continued to Worcester where it was terminated due to late running. Network Rail informed GWR that the pantograph may be damaged so the return working, 1P22, is being terminated at Oxford.

    Only the down main is affected at OOC but there are periodic temporary closures of all running lines to allow access to the affected OLE.

    The damage may be related to the Monday OLE damage.  If the Monday damage was caused by a train or even if the initial incident was an OLE / track defect a train Pan could have been damaged in the initial incident which then caused the damage of today's incident.

    There are a lot of dynamics involved between the track, train and OLE.  The track being out of its correct alinement or the Cant being out, the suspension of the train being incorrect, Pan head out of tolerance, the OLE hight and stager incorrect or a combination of any of these.

    If you think of the hight between the track and the contact wire, somewhere around 6.5 meters a few tens of mm's out of tolerance of the track in relation to the contact wire this small distance at track level is multiplied at Pan


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 21, 2022, 11:31:56
    Here's something I said two years ago, about one of these failures due to train/OLE interaction in France:
    Quote
    SNCF are saying (though this is subject to detailed investigation) that a catenary fault at Orthez damaged a pantograph, which in turn went on to damage 60 km of catenary (mainly at track switches). For that, it must have still been collecting current OK. After stopping at Morcenx, the train did restart and got 50 km further to Ychoux, before its complete failure. Apparently, two following trains also suffered some of this mutual damage effect. 

    However, that train didn't go through Orthez, so there was more work to do then tracing the chain of events back. That was 1500V DC OLE, which is chunkier, but still relies on the top of the pan sliding smoothly along the contact wire at all times.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 21, 2022, 13:34:03
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

     D
    isruption expected until 12:00


    Now pushed out to 1500


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on September 21, 2022, 20:18:40
    Thankfully, all was back to a semblance of normal by 1704, when I caught the Penzance train to TVP. Even the WiFi worked sporadically.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on September 23, 2022, 17:18:57
    Seeing reports of wires down at Hanwell.

    Good luck to anyone trying to get home this evening in what has been a miserable week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on September 23, 2022, 17:21:23
    As just mentioned but a bit more from JourneyCheck

    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/09.

    Additional Information
    Overhead Wires
    Electric trains get their power from electrical rails on the ground or overhead wires. The power supply to both of these can fail due to a number of factors.

    Not much seems to be moving out at Paddington at the moment


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Trowres on September 23, 2022, 17:54:59
    2P60 from Didcot appears to have reached Southall on up relief and been cancelled thereafter. Now (1753) running ECS "wrong line" (though a signalled move) to be dumped in P5 at Hayes & Harlington.

    Not sure if this is the epicentre of the incident. Traffic seems to be moving on the main lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 23, 2022, 17:58:57
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2022, 17:59:39
    9P57 1631 Heathrow T5 - Paddington (Class 345 Liz Line service) had an ADD activation near Hanwell Station on the up relief. Driver reported OLE damage. Initially all lines were blocked after the OLE in the area tripped.

    Up and down main reopened fairly quickly. Bit there is already significant disruption with delays and short notice cancellations due to having only the main lines available for the evening peak.

    EDIT: Down relief reopened too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2022, 18:08:05
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on September 23, 2022, 18:26:20
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?

    I imagine it's easy to say that might be true, but very hard to prove it and even harder to disprove it. There may well be a load of people in NR Towers staring at screens as hour after hour of pantograph monitor videos run through, mind-numbingly, trying to spot the earliest instance of pan damaging wire or vice versa.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2022, 18:32:16
    Monday's and today's incidents involved Class 345s. I wonder if that's just coincidence...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 23, 2022, 19:09:21
    Depressingly,  but predictably......disruption until the end of the day.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 90 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 23, 2022, 21:02:46
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?

    I don't know if all were on the same line.  Although I am not a contact systems engineer (I'm a power distribution engineer) I've been around the knitting long enough to understand a few of the problems encountered after an OLE head span de-wirement.   It is not unknown for there to be issues for several days in an area after the type of incident on Monday, a headspan can sometimes fail on a different road to the original in a different location because of forces applied to the wire by a damaged pan can find a weakness.

    Headspan construction allowed British Rail to cost effectively electrify the WCML north of Weaver Jcn to Scotland, the ECML, BedPan, etc.  Pre privatisation BR had the manpower, equipment and track access to maintain headspan

    Its posible there is a rouge 345 that has a suspension or Pan problem, another could be something as daft as a software update on the 345 that has altered the suspension characteristics.

    There will be senior NR Region and TOC engineers looking at all the posible causes ................... mean time the finance and contracts folks will be claiming and counter claiming


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: onthecushions on September 23, 2022, 21:13:37
    Quote from: Electric train link=topic=14689.msg326099#msg326099
      Pre privatisation BR had the manpower, equipment and track access to maintain headspan

    I think that this may be the core of the problem. I remember reading an article by an OLE maintenance engineer about trying to maintain a main line OLE with a privatised Infrastructure Maintenance Unit, now stripped of its skilled staff, and the consequent frequent avoidable failures.

    That's probably why our latest OLE designs are designed for low maintenance.

    Headspans could work reasonably if in good hands.

    OTC


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on September 24, 2022, 02:13:23
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?

    No.
    If the speculation is correct in that it was the 345 on Monday, then it was on the Down Relief, although other adjacent lines had damage.
    Wednesday was the Down Main and then tonight was the Up Relief.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 24, 2022, 08:12:51
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?

    No.
    If the speculation is correct in that it was the 345 on Monday, then it was on the Down Relief, although other adjacent lines had damage.
    Wednesday was the Down Main and then tonight was the Up Relief.

    Problem with OLE when there is a Pan that is the train can travel quite a way causing damage before the train stops, note the damage to the Pan may be infrastructure caused or the train itself.   With headspan the impact is often across all lines.   It takes time to get out on track with access (no trains running on the line(s) being measured) and carry out all the hights and staggers especially if all the available Linemen are working to fix problems, even with footage from the Pancam from trains it takes time to review all the footage by a skilled technician / engineer.  If there are items found of concern arrangements to get a team of Linemen and line blocks with potentially BTET (Block to Electric Traction) on all roads if its span wires that need work.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 24, 2022, 09:52:36
    Irrespective of who's/what's to blame, let's not lose sight of the fact that there was some absolutely shocking Customer Experiences particularly last night, and throughout the week due to this issue, and that should be front and centre.

    Poor, inconsistent, contradictory or non-existent information being given, hopeless communication, vulnerable customers left to fend for themselves.

    One of Hopwood's pieces to camera to explain/apologise to his customers is probably overdue - he's been quite prolific when it comes to Industrial action in this area.

    .....................There was a time when customers were invited to "Meet the Manager"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PrestburyRoad on September 24, 2022, 09:55:37
    Quote
    it takes time to review all the footage by a skilled technician / engineer

    That could be an opportunity for a student or postgraduate project to try applying modern image processing and artificial intelligence technologies on the pancam videos to look for anomalous behaviours.  Which could save time for the skilled railway people investigating an incident; and could also be used all the time to try to get early indications of potential future incidents, including dodgy pans.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Fourbee on September 24, 2022, 10:49:25
    I'd be interested to know if the 345s involved have been traversing the crossover(s) to Paddington low level. I don't know if testing has started in advance of through running to the core on 06/11/2022.

    Probably a bit of a leap, but it would easy to see how testing on the Sunday could have damaged something which stayed latent until Bank Holiday Monday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 24, 2022, 11:05:20
    The response from GWR control was awful last night.  It didn’t help that there is a new structure in place in terms of how control is organised.  I think it’s a better structure but it will take time to bed in. 

    Also, they were short of staff last night and there was a period where there was nobody to staff the CIS desk, meaning information about the disruption simply wasn’t being put out effectively.  It’s crucial that the ‘engine’ of GWR is fully staffed or we stand no chance when things go wrong.

    I’m also not convinced the right type of individual is necessarily being recruited into the various roles in control.

    I'd be interested to know if the 345s involved have been traversing the crossover(s) to Paddington low level. I don't know if testing has started in advance of through running to the core on 06/11/2022.

    Probably a bit of a leap, but it would easy to see how testing on the Sunday could have damaged something which stayed latent until Bank Holiday Monday.

    There’s a lot of ECS moves throughout each day that traverse the crossovers to get to and from the depot at Old Oak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 24, 2022, 14:56:38
    One of Hopwood's pieces to camera to explain/apologise to his customers is probably overdue - he's been quite prolific when it comes to Industrial action in this area.
    I was only thinking the opposite that we haven’t seen MH doing pieces to camera for quite sometime. I put it down to summer holidays but Paul Gentleman has been doing them for a good few weeks now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on September 24, 2022, 18:50:35
    One of Hopwood's pieces to camera to explain/apologise to his customers is probably overdue - he's been quite prolific when it comes to Industrial action in this area.
    I was only thinking the opposite that we haven’t seen MH doing pieces to camera for quite sometime. I put it down to summer holidays but Paul Gentleman has been doing them for a good few weeks now.

    What's happened to Dan Panes?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 24, 2022, 19:07:47
    He still has a GWR logo on his LinkedIn page.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on September 24, 2022, 19:26:17
    What's happened to Dan Panes?
    Dan is still around. He was on Points West a few weeks back. He’s usually at Bristol Parkway when doing media interviews.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on September 24, 2022, 21:04:18
    Last I heard he was part of the GWR team working on the transition with GBR.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 25, 2022, 07:22:00

    Also, they were short of staff last night and there was a period where there was nobody to staff the CIS desk, meaning information about the disruption simply wasn’t being put out effectively.  It’s crucial that the ‘engine’ of GWR is fully staffed or we stand no chance when things go wrong.

    I’m also not convinced the right type of individual is necessarily being recruited into the various roles in control.

    I'd be interested to know if the 345s involved have been traversing the crossover(s) to Paddington low level. I don't know if testing has started in advance of through running to the core on 06/11/2022.

    Probably a bit of a leap, but it would easy to see how testing on the Sunday could have damaged something which stayed latent until Bank Holiday Monday.

    There’s a lot of ECS moves throughout each day that traverse the crossovers to get to and from the depot at Old Oak.

    I simply cannot understand how any customer facing operation with an ounce of competence could allow something as basic has having nobody available to staff the CIS desk to happen - and we see the results.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on September 25, 2022, 08:12:28
    Last I heard he was part of the GWR team working on the transition with GBR.

    When organisations are amid large scale reorganisation things go wrong because management's eye is somewhere else.  The number of railway accidents following privitisation is testimony to this.  Let's hope it is only customer service and reliability that is affected this time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 25, 2022, 08:15:59
    Last I heard he was part of the GWR team working on the transition with GBR.

    When organisations are amid large scale reorganisation things go wrong because management's eye is somewhere else.  The number of railway accidents following privitisation is testimony to this.  Let's hope it is only customer service and reliability that is affected this time.

    "Only"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on September 26, 2022, 07:22:40
    Last I heard he was part of the GWR team working on the transition with GBR.

    When organisations are amid large scale reorganisation things go wrong because management's eye is somewhere else.  The number of railway accidents following privitisation is testimony to this.  Let's hope it is only customer service and reliability that is affected this time.

    That's not quite correct, some Executives have been seconded to the GBR transition team the rest of the railway management and executive leadership is still in place.

    I do agree that the Industry has not done a very good job of explaining to the public what went wrong on the 19th and subsequently, perhaps there are too many players, NR, GWR, Hitachi, TfL (Elizbeth Line) to get a "public statement" without accepting fault. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 26, 2022, 15:12:56
    No details on GWR Journey check but thankfully  Nation Rail is on the ball with the details of the latest meltdown between Reading- Paddington.....

    https://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/55A4352DB1D64C519E907BDE2A7933B8


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: tomL on September 26, 2022, 22:45:52
    No details on GWR Journey check but thankfully  Nation Rail is on the ball with the details of the latest meltdown between Reading- Paddington.....

    https://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/55A4352DB1D64C519E907BDE2A7933B8

    It seemed to be a (relatively) minor issue compared to the meltdown(s) last week with a handful of HSS trains having to traverse the Down Relief line between Paddington/Acton West and Southall East Jn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 26, 2022, 23:26:54
    Indeed.  If only a handful of trains are affected then individual entries for them are used rather than a general ‘core’ route message.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 27, 2022, 07:18:14
    No details on GWR Journey check but thankfully  Nation Rail is on the ball with the details of the latest meltdown between Reading- Paddington.....

    https://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/55A4352DB1D64C519E907BDE2A7933B8

    It seemed to be a (relatively) minor issue compared to the meltdown(s) last week with a handful of HSS trains having to traverse the Down Relief line between Paddington/Acton West and Southall East Jn.

    Not just HSS - it affected numerous local services too and the Elizabeth Line with the result that a number of stations lost much of their service - but to be fair the situation was recovered relatively quickly and seemed to be pretty much back to normal by the evening peak.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on September 29, 2022, 16:46:25
    Whether it was infrastructure or train caused the initial damage on Monday, the damaged pantograph involved looks like has cause damage elsewhere

    Have all three incidents occured on the up relief? Or is there a suggestion that one errant set has been out and about damaging OLE wherever it goes, but continuing in service because it's not been identified as the culprit?

    I don't know if all were on the same line.  Although I am not a contact systems engineer (I'm a power distribution engineer) I've been around the knitting long enough to understand a few of the problems encountered after an OLE head span de-wirement.   It is not unknown for there to be issues for several days in an area after the type of incident on Monday, a headspan can sometimes fail on a different road to the original in a different location because of forces applied to the wire by a damaged pan can find a weakness.
     
    Headspan construction allowed British Rail to cost effectively electrify the WCML north of Weaver Jcn to Scotland, the ECML, BedPan, etc.  Pre privatisation BR had the manpower, equipment and track access to maintain headspan

    Its posible there is a rouge 345 that has a suspension or Pan problem, another could be something as daft as a software update on the 345 that has altered the suspension characteristics.

    There will be senior NR Region and TOC engineers looking at all the posible causes ................... mean time the finance and contracts folks will be claiming and counter claiming

    Calling all cars, calling all cars be on the lookout for a rouge train I repeat be on the lookout for a rouge train last seen heading towards London. ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 24, 2022, 04:45:52
    Still not fixed from yesterday....

    Cancellations to services at Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 24/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2022, 07:48:34
    Work still ongoing….


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on October 24, 2022, 08:19:45
    Not sure if it was the same incident but there were problems with the OLE at Reading Station yesterday after a helium ballon came into contact with the wires.  There were reports they were lying on or very close to platform 8.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2022, 08:48:40
    Yep, soumds as if its the same incodent. Power cable came down close to platform 8 and the station was reported as having been (briefly) evacuated, before trains started running on the relief lines only 12-15 and 1-6. 7-11 remain closed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on October 26, 2022, 10:02:22
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Following urgent repairs to the railway between London Paddington and Reading all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:30 26/10.
    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    We will update this message with more information when we have it.

    Last Updated:26/10/2022 09:49

    What happened?  Anyone know?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 26, 2022, 11:56:03
    Repairs to the track at Acton ML


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 04, 2022, 09:19:58
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Jason on November 04, 2022, 09:37:03
    Long time not posting.
    My first journey into London in years shafted by this.
    I don't miss the commute.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on November 04, 2022, 11:19:38
    Long time not posting.
    My first journey into London in years shafted by this.
    I don't miss the commute.

    I sometimes have business meetings in London, and would travel from either Honeybourne or Evesham (if feeling generous to GWR) or from Warwick Parkway.  But as the timetable seems to have turned into some kind lottery these days, I cut out the risk of disrupted plans (but increase the hassle, no doubt) and go by car.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 13, 2022, 13:46:54
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:15 13/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 22, 2022, 20:57:11
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to urgent repairs to the track at Slough fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be terminated at and started back from Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2022, 05:19:43
    Last night it was the track, this morning..................


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 23/11.
    Customer Advice

    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    We will update this message with more information when we have it.
    Additional Information
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers via any reasonable route between London and Reading until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightonedee on November 23, 2022, 10:30:18
    ...and if you thought you might get to London via Waterloo,  think again.

    Line closed at Wokingham due to signalling problems


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 23, 2022, 10:54:02
    ...and if you thought you might get to London via Waterloo,  think again.

    Line closed at Wokingham due to signalling problems

    They must be getting better at fixing those points (lots of practice) - incident created 08:14, updated 09:56 to say it's been fixed. And the first SWR train has already come through, which is just as well as I plan to go into Reading in an hour or two. Mind you, GWR don't agree it was the points - their trains were cancelled due to a track circuit failure.

    I see that someone's been having a bit of fun with those delay attribution codes - some earler trains were shown as "This service was cancelled due to it being Autumn (TT)." The full explanation of code TT  is long an complicated, so I can see why it got shortened, but ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 23, 2022, 11:06:44
    JourneyCheck has a curious entry this morning:

    Quote
    08:13 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:24
    08:13 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:24 was 12 minutes late and will be further delayed at London Paddington.
    This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 23, 2022, 12:11:42
    Last night it was the track, this morning..................


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 23/11.
    Customer Advice

    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    We will update this message with more information when we have it.
    Additional Information
    TFL Rail are conveying passengers via any reasonable route between London and Reading until further notice.

    Wires down on the main lines at Dolphin Junction near Slough which could take a couple of days to repair.

    Now plastic wrapped round the overhead (and the pantograph of an IET) at Hayes & Harlington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2022, 12:56:51
    We had days of this only a couple of months ago.....why is this system so fragile & vulnerable to meltdown?

    I thought electrification was the way forward?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on November 23, 2022, 14:27:29
    We had days of this only a couple of months ago.....why is this system so fragile & vulnerable to meltdown?

    I thought electrification was the way forward?

    Oh it is this is just teething trouble and they’ll get it right eventually.

    As someone commented on my last trip from MIM where there was an extended delay at one station….

    “It wouldn’t be quite so bad to be delayed if the seats weren’t quite so uncomfortable!”

    That had a few people smiling.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 23, 2022, 17:53:53
    Into this evening ...

    to echo another thread, the text / description information is a class above what we're familiar with.

    Quote
    Customer Advice

    The overhead wires near Slough have been damaged after a train reported striking an object caught in them early this morning.
    -
    This has resulted in the high speed main lines being closed, with all trains needing to use the slower relief lines as an alternative.
    -
    This has caused congestion between Reading & London, requiring us to implement a Contingency Train Plan.
    -
    Network Rail will perform repairs overnight (from 23:00), and train services will continue to be amended until the early hours of November 24. From 23:00, we will have 1 open line instead of the usual 4 - and some trains will need to be cancelled to avoid congestion.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2022, 18:24:20
    Into this evening ...

    to echo another thread, the text / description information is a class above what we're familiar with.

    Quote
    Customer Advice

    The overhead wires near Slough have been damaged after a train reported striking an object caught in them early this morning.
    -
    This has resulted in the high speed main lines being closed, with all trains needing to use the slower relief lines as an alternative.
    -
    This has caused congestion between Reading & London, requiring us to implement a Contingency Train Plan.
    -
    Network Rail will perform repairs overnight (from 23:00), and train services will continue to be amended until the early hours of November 24. From 23:00, we will have 1 open line instead of the usual 4 - and some trains will need to be cancelled to avoid congestion.

    Magnificent and ethereal prose notwithstanding, I'm not sure that it will be of great use or comfort to those stranded at Paddington - looking at the list of cancellations and "updates" I am certainly glad to be at home already.

    Good luck to all those trying to get home tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 23, 2022, 19:11:58
    Magnificent and ethereal prose notwithstanding, I'm not sure that it will be of great use or comfort to those stranded at Paddington - looking at the list of cancellations and "updates" I am certainly glad to be at home already.

    Good luck to all those trying to get home tonight.

    Words are not a solution to the problems, I agree. It needs actions to move us from a "not AGAIN - what THIS time" response to a "goodness - that's a surprise" reponse.

    I will be joining the throng and will let you know how I get on


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 24, 2022, 05:51:03
    We awake this morning and it looks like yesterday's overhead problem is fixed and there's a new one below the train today

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford
    Due to a points failure between West Ealing and Greenford the line is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    28 cancellations, 32 part-routes on Journey Check


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 24, 2022, 06:18:14
    I will be joining the throng and will let you know how I get on

    See (separate post (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/26893)) looking at my whole journey yesterday


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 24, 2022, 08:42:23
    We awake this morning and it looks like yesterday's overhead problem is fixed and there's a new one below the train today

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford
    Due to a points failure between West Ealing and Greenford the line is closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    28 cancellations, 32 part-routes on Journey Check

    Problem at Dolphin Junction is partially fixed in that the track is now clear but trains can only run on diesel on the main lines thrpugh the section.  The points issue is on the relief lines at Kensal Green after a crack was found in them overnight.

    More work to be carried out at Dolphin Junction tonight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2022, 21:51:41
    You really couldn't make it up, could you?

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations have been delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    Following a train driver reported a 'flash' in the Slough area, and subsequent tripping of the overhead electric wires, a technician has found a pheasant stuck in the roof of the train near the pantograph (the equipment that allows a train to draw power from the overhead electric wires.)
    -


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 25, 2022, 21:59:53
    For “Slough area” read Iver.   In other words not the same place as the other day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 26, 2022, 07:55:09
    I'd think twice if there's suddenly a special offer on pheasant on the Pullman menu!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 26, 2022, 08:05:41
    I'd think twice if there's suddenly a special offer on pheasant on the Pullman menu!

    There is nothing wrong with eating roadkill - provided that the systems are set up to minimise such casualties.  Whether we would choose to do so is a question for us as individuals, and I would suggest to GWR that they not add pheasant to their menu in this circumstance out of the consideration that it might shock some diners.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 26, 2022, 08:46:59
    I'd think twice if there's suddenly a special offer on pheasant on the Pullman menu!

    There is nothing wrong with eating roadkill - provided that the systems are set up to minimise such casualties.  Whether we would choose to do so is a question for us as individuals, and I would suggest to GWR that they not add pheasant to their menu in this circumstance out of the consideration that it might shock some diners.

    Certainly worth checking if the pheasant in question had paid his RMT subs - we've enough trouble already without giving Bruvver Mick reason for more disruption due to his members being eaten (so to speak!).

    Nice with a glass of Port to follow though......... ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 26, 2022, 11:13:48
    a technician has found a pheasant stuck in the roof of the train near the pantograph

    That must be one of the more expensive incidents caused by a pheasant - is it 50 million of which are released into the wild annually, with, lately, a possible boost to the spread of bird flu? It's also reminded me of a work colleague's very unpleasant encounter with one - in the event he only lost the windscreen of the vehicle involved but it was nearly rather worse than that.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 26, 2022, 17:58:27
    Today’s gwr strike is now compounded by a suicide that has closed the Elizabeth Line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 26, 2022, 18:17:45
    Today’s gwr strike is now compounded by a suicide that has closed the Elizabeth Line.

    That is, though, presumptive. "Person hit by train" until confirmed or otherwise - there are some occasions where a person is hit by a train is something else.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 26, 2022, 18:41:31
    Just relating verbatim from gwr staff at Maidenhead.
    That’s my Saturday night out cancelled before it got started.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 26, 2022, 19:18:27
    Just relating verbatim from gwr staff at Maidenhead.
    That’s my Saturday night out cancelled before it got started.

    Yeah - understood totally.  Staff banter on the platform is unlikely to have been overheard by the friends or relatives of the person hit.  But we know from the sad history of people hit be trains that those who know / knew them come looking online for information, and we owe it to those people not to make any assumptions, and indeed to offer our sympathy and understanding


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 26, 2022, 19:41:59
    I was delayed getting back to Twyford tonight but I was lucky in that I hung around at Paddington EL station in the hope that one train just *might* go through and indeed one did - it was the 16:39 from Abbey Wood which initially terminated at PAD and then it was suddenly announced it would continue. By then it was an hour late but I was simply grateful to be able to get home (and indeed looking at RTT now at 19:40 there appears to have been no further departures to Reading following the train I was on).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on November 26, 2022, 20:45:04
    Depending upon how you view things it is either very unlucky or extraordinarily ambitious to be hit by a train during a scheduled rail strike.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on November 27, 2022, 09:03:23
    Well my initial through running test of the Elizabeth Line was compromised (polite version) by this.

    The train stopped at Langley. The driver came on and said that the power had been turned off because of an incident in the Westbourne Park area. After various other messages as it started to rain and the lights grew dimmer he said the batteries were running low and we would have to leave the train.

    Zero support at Langley station, sorry no buses, no taxis, have to get an Uber. Do Elizabeth Line offer no passenger support outside their TfL core area, don't want to give money to non-Tfl franchises? Several bus loads of train passengers left in the dark (both senses) outside Langley station.

    I had formulated my plan B. Cycle down to the A4 (never been this way before), turn right along the A4 to Slough, turn a left in Slough past the Police Station, right through Chalvey and then down the cycle route to Windsor (which was a novel experience in the dark). To Windsor and Eton Riverside, train to Staines and the train back to Reading. Brompton to the rescue. Personal Rail replacement bike service!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2022, 10:24:03
    How long was it before the batteries started to give up and you were told to leave the train, Sid?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 27, 2022, 11:48:31
    Well my initial through running test of the Elizabeth Line was compromised (polite version) by this.

    The train stopped at Langley. The driver came on and said that the power had been turned off because of an incident in the Westbourne Park area. After various other messages as it started to rain and the lights grew dimmer he said the batteries were running low and we would have to leave the train.

    Zero support at Langley station, sorry no buses, no taxis, have to get an Uber. Do Elizabeth Line offer no passenger support outside their TfL core area, don't want to give money to non-Tfl franchises? Several bus loads of train passengers left in the dark (both senses) outside Langley station.

    I had formulated my plan B. Cycle down to the A4 (never been this way before), turn right along the A4 to Slough, turn a left in Slough past the Police Station, right through Chalvey and then down the cycle route to Windsor (which was a novel experience in the dark). To Windsor and Eton Riverside, train to Staines and the train back to Reading. Brompton to the rescue. Personal Rail replacement bike service!


    According to RTT it looks like you were on the 15:09 Abbey Wood-Reading which was stuck at Langley for 113 minutes. This was the train 30 minutes before the one I initially caught at Bond Street which was terminated one stop later at PAD. I was regretting not having left earlier but on seeing what had happened to your train I was happier to be stuck at PAD where at least there was refreshments available 'upstairs'.

    After a while I grabbed some food and drink but on attempting to return to the EL platforms the staff had closed the barrier line to exit only and were telling people travelling to Reading to use Waterloo. My experience of 30 years commuting from PAD has nearly always been that it's never a good idea to do this and that it's much better to wait for services to resume on the GWML which can happen very suddenly.

    I was able to gain access to the EL platforms via the subway from the Bakerloo Line. It was now about 17:45 and I decided to wait and see what happened. Fortunately I didn't have too long to wait - as I mentioned in my post above, the 17:09 departure from PAD to RDG (which was the one 30 minutes after the service I'd first attempted to catch) arrived at 18:02 and after the platform staff had turfed everyone off, a shout came from the front end of the platform to say that the train *would* continue in service westwards so I jumped on and the train left almost immediately.

    After then it was an easy journey on a very empty train, the only thing to note was that we caught up with the service to Maidenhead which had left PAD at 15:58 and had been stuck at Ealing Broadway for over 2 hours according to RTT. However that only caused a slight further delay and then the train I was on finally got busy at MAI.

    On the subject of TfL offering support outside of their core area, I assume I need to do Delay Repay with GWR as I bought the ticket from them at Twyford. I'll see what happens but GWR were not being very helpful on Twitter last night with them referring queries from TWY and MAI passengers to TfL.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on November 27, 2022, 12:41:39
    Sorry II I am notoriously not very time aware when I am out on one of my Saturday trips. The Aircon went off first, then the crys of there are no loos started! I would say at lest 30 minutes. My other thought was what if the driver ran out of hours, presumably they would have to taxi a replacement from Paddington, Maidenhead or Reading.

    BBM, my other half was at PAD and eventually got on a rammed GWR train to Bristol/Swansea.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2022, 12:52:06
    Sorry II I am notoriously not very time aware when I am out on one of my Saturday trips. The Aircon went off first, then the crys of there are no loos started! I would say at lest 30 minutes. My other thought was what if the driver ran out of hours, presumably they would have to taxi a replacement from Paddington, Maidenhead or Reading.

    OK, thanks for that.  Always interesting to see how long it takes for an EMUs batteries to start 'load shedding'.  At least 30 minutes isn't too bad I suppose, but again if it was a baking hot day or a freezing cold night then it will become uncomfortable quite quickly without an engine to provide hotel power.

    In these situations trains that are stranded at stations will be a much lower priority than any that are stranded between stations or in tunnels, etc.  So, whilst the Elizabeth Line will deal with their trains at any location they serve, if it's a large number of trains affected I can see why you would have felt rather left alone if at a stand at Iver station.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 27, 2022, 13:12:58
    Sorry II I am notoriously not very time aware when I am out on one of my Saturday trips. The Aircon went off first, then the crys of there are no loos started! I would say at lest 30 minutes. My other thought was what if the driver ran out of hours, presumably they would have to taxi a replacement from Paddington, Maidenhead or Reading.

    BBM, my other half was at PAD and eventually got on a rammed GWR train to Bristol/Swansea.

    I was wondering if the driver on my train would run out of hours and we'd terminate at SLO or MAI but fortunately we ran through. My fallback option was to get the 19:32 to Bristol as far as RDG and then get a taxi back to TWY but luckily that wasn't necessary. (Another advantage of being stuck at PAD was the availability of loos!)

    In these situations trains that are stranded at stations will be a much lower priority than any that are stranded between stations or in tunnels, etc.  So, whilst the Elizabeth Line will deal with their trains at any location they serve, if it's a large number of trains affected I can see why you would have felt rather left alone if at a stand at Iver station.

    At around 18:00 last evening I took a quick look at Open Train Times maps for the EL core section and it was noticeable that practically every train was being held at a platform, the exceptions being two trains in the WB tunnel between Stratford and Whitechapel. I understand however from Twitter that an eastbound EL train was stuck just east of Hayes and Harlington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on November 28, 2022, 17:39:36
    So do forum members reckon that the DfT's want for NR to modernise and reform will be more effective or less effective at reducing all these infrastructure problems?

    It very much seems like we're sweating the assets again, and we know where that ended up last time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on November 29, 2022, 00:28:08
    On the subject of TfL offering support outside of their core area, I assume I need to do Delay Repay with GWR as I bought the ticket from them at Twyford. I'll see what happens but GWR were not being very helpful on Twitter last night with them referring queries from TWY and MAI passengers to TfL.

    I'd expect you'd be referred to TfL as they ran the train you were on and there were no scheduled GWR services to Twyford due to the industrial action.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 29, 2022, 09:16:27
    If the OHLE is switched off at Westbourne Park, either on purpose or because of a trip, why should it affect the OHLE at Langley 15 miles down the line, and the other side of Airport Junction?  Why is the OHLE not switchable in smaller sections, thus reducing service disruption?

    There’s a parallel here with the National Grid and domestic electricity suppliers.  If there’s a cable fault in a road in Westbourne Park I wouldn’t expect my lights to go out in Langley.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 29, 2022, 09:44:38
    If the OHLE is switched off at Westbourne Park, either on purpose or because of a trip, why should it affect the OHLE at Langley 15 miles down the line, and the other side of Airport Junction?  Why is the OHLE not switchable in smaller sections, thus reducing service disruption?

    How do you expect the power to reach there? It goes along the two wires over each track and, in autotransformer installations, the ATF wire(s) as well. Individual stretches of track can be isolated, though I think that needs manual switching on site. I assume power flows around the break above the other tracks.

    Feed stations (ATFS) are about 60 miles apart (Kensal and Didcot), so if you need to remove power from all the overhead wires at one point they go dead up to the next place all those circuits are switched. In this case I guess that would be the Maidenhead MPATS.

    Older systems needed feed stations closer together; AT feeding is preferred largely because it allows them to be further apart. As usual, efficiency and resilience pull the design in opposite directions.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on December 01, 2022, 07:43:11
    Up main closed at Ealing Broadway. Long queue of trains now back past Iver.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 01, 2022, 07:43:25
    Here we go again..................

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Southall and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until 09:00 01/12.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading.

    Customer Advice
    We've received notification from Network Rail that a set of points have failed. We are sorry for any changes this brings to your travel plans today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 01, 2022, 09:02:45
    Up main closed at Ealing Broadway. Long queue of trains now back past Iver.


    Saw an IET "parked" at Iver and another near Hayes too.......disruption now expected till 10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 01, 2022, 09:20:18
    If the OHLE is switched off at Westbourne Park, either on purpose or because of a trip, why should it affect the OHLE at Langley 15 miles down the line, and the other side of Airport Junction?  Why is the OHLE not switchable in smaller sections, thus reducing service disruption?

    How do you expect the power to reach there? It goes along the two wires over each track and, in autotransformer installations, the ATF wire(s) as well. Individual stretches of track can be isolated, though I think that needs manual switching on site. I assume power flows around the break above the other tracks.

    Feed stations (ATFS) are about 60 miles apart (Kensal and Didcot), so if you need to remove power from all the overhead wires at one point they go dead up to the next place all those circuits are switched. In this case I guess that would be the Maidenhead MPATS.

    Older systems needed feed stations closer together; AT feeding is preferred largely because it allows them to be further apart. As usual, efficiency and resilience pull the design in opposite directions.

    The requirement for an "Emergency Isolation" is all lines between 'Neutral Sections' for the GWML the area being discussed it means Maidenhead MPATS, (the Neutral Sections at Maidenhead are located to the West of Maidenhead station) to the Stop Blocks at Paddington Station and Neutral Sections at the NR / Crossrail boundary at Westbourne Park.

    So quite a large area, but then these Emergency Isolations are a matter of life and death!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 01, 2022, 11:04:31
    Up main closed at Ealing Broadway. Long queue of trains now back past Iver.


    Saw an IET "parked" at Iver and another near Hayes too.......disruption now expected till 10.

    Original problem seems to have been resolved (albeit with disruption now until midday), but there's now another points failure outside Reading which is causing more problems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on December 01, 2022, 18:09:26
    Down main blocked at Goring. Not been my best commuting day today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on December 08, 2022, 07:13:18
    Another points failure this morning. This time at Twyford.

    There’s a freight train blocking the up main so all services are having to run in the relief.

    As usual Didcot stoppers getting CAPEd at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2022, 08:12:46
    ....and for a bit of variety....

    Delays to services between Twyford and London Paddington

    Due to a fire next to the track between Twyford and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 08, 2022, 08:13:43
    And a lineside fire and "other issues". (https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/live-train-updates-today-lineside-25700636)

    (TaplowGreen beat me to it by five seconds.)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2022, 15:42:55
    Virtually every week now......

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 08/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 09, 2022, 14:11:06
    For "week" read "day"
    Quote
    Delays to services between Maidenhead and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 09/12.

    I'm lucky to be on the first train out of Paddington, the 13:50 to Great Malvern. Never seen the concourse as full of waiting passengers. Several cancellations, none of which seemed to be listed on JourneyCheck.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 10, 2022, 06:56:06
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
    Due to a points failure between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 10/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on December 10, 2022, 08:20:04
    And
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Maidenhead
    Due to a points failure between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 10/12.
    ...
    Last Updated:10/12/2022 08:08


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 10, 2022, 09:15:28
    I was rather worried by the lack of other posts about yesterday's problem, so I went back to RealTimeTrains to see if I was imagining things. Here's a bit of the log:

    Trains from Paddington
    12:33 to Exeter - left 16 late
    12:48 to Swansea - left 24 late. Further delay after Cardiff.
    12:50 to Worcester Foregate St - left 9 late. Further delay after Charlbury. Terminated at Shrub Hill.
    13:02 to Bristol Temple Meads - left 13 late
    13:04 to Plymouth - left 14 late. Further delays en route.
    13:07 to Newbury - left on time
    13:18 to Cardiff - left 2 late
    13:20 to Oxford - left 11 late
    13:28 to Cheltenham Spa - left on time
    13:32 to Bristol Temple Meads - left 37 late
    13:48 to Swansea - left 15 late. Further delays en route.
    13:50 to Great Malvern - left 9 late. Further delays en route. Terminated at Worcester Foregate St
    14:02 to Bristol Temple Meads - left 11 late
    14:04 to Penzance - started from Reading
    14:08 to Newbury - left on time
    14:18 to Cardiff - left on time

    Arrivals at Paddington had lost time between Reading and Slough
    12:52 from Newbury. Arrived 10 late
    12:54 from Oxford. Arrived 19 late.
    12:59 from Cheltenham Spa. 22 late.
    13:06 from Bristol Temple Meads. 13 late.
    13:12 from Swansea. Late from Bridgend. Further delay Reading - Slough. 36 late
    13:24 from Great Malvern. 22 late.
    13:29 from Penzance. Started 39 late from Penzance. Terminated at Reading 48 late.
    13:37 from Bristol Temple Meads. 14 late.
    13:41 from Cardiff. 13 late
    13:54 from Oxford. 11 late.
    13:59 from Cheltenham Spa. 10 late.

    So, delays inbound from Reading to Slough meant that there were no trains ready to depart - and I turned up at Paddington at possibly the worst moment.

    Plus Heathrow Express seems to have switched off in its entirety with no outbound departures between 12:10 and 13:55.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2022, 10:26:42
    And
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Maidenhead
    Due to a points failure between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 10/12.
    ...
    Last Updated:10/12/2022 08:08

    Also points failures between  Newbury and Westbury and at West Ealing.....it is 1 degree below zero so I suppose we have to expect this in such Arctic conditions?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 10, 2022, 18:36:48
    And
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Maidenhead
    Due to a points failure between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 10/12.
    ...
    Last Updated:10/12/2022 08:08

    Also points failures between  Newbury and Westbury and at West Ealing.....it is 1 degree below zero so I suppose we have to expect this in such Arctic conditions?

    Add to the adverse weather a few things potentially impacting on maintenance and fault response -

    NR have ceased using "un assisted Look-outs" ie the person with a flag and whistle / horn to warn staff of approaching trans, now the only way staff can access the track is by use of "Line Blocks" ie no trains running. 

    The industrial dispute will almost certainly effected maintenance especially the overtime ban, 

    The points of Switches and Crossing are electrically heated, the pre winter season maintenance for these can start as mid September for areas with lots of S & C there is actually a shortage of the skilled technicians that maintain electrical and signalling equipment in quite a few area of the country, the point heating is maintained by Electrification & Plant teams, the point machines, interlocking, detection is done by Signalling & Telecoms


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2022, 10:11:00
    09:03 London Paddington to Cardiff Central due 11:00 is being delayed between London Paddington and Reading.
    This is due to a points failure.


    Affecting a number of services but the points failure in question isn't listed under Journeycheck as an incident, neither was yesterdays

    Perhaps points failures are now so common that they regarded as part of the daily landscape and not worthy of mentioning?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 21, 2022, 14:01:37
    .....and again....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 21/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 21, 2022, 22:07:29
    .....and again....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 21/12.
    Yup, got caught up in this heading to London this afternoon. Moved onto the up relief at Dolphin Junction with a queue of trains in front of us. Another Delay Repay claim going in. Seems every journey I do at the moment by train I either get some or all my money back  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 22, 2022, 14:54:53
    .....and again....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 21/12.

    The mix of cold and now wet weather and the industrial action is having an effect, this has started to become evident in some of the data I have seen ...................... it can only get worse the longer the industrial action continues, the backlog will be difficult to catch up on.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 27, 2022, 12:07:43
    Bet the driver of the 9.32 to Bristol enjoyed driving this service:

    Quote
    09:32 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 11:10
    09:32 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 11:10 will no longer call at Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Chippenham and Bath Spa.
    It is being delayed at London Paddington and is now expected to be 45 minutes late.
    This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.
    Providing there wasn’t any signal checks en route of course.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 27, 2022, 12:27:45
    Nothing moved in or out of PAD until quite recently as over-running engineering works blocked access into/out of North Pole depot


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 27, 2022, 12:50:11
    But it did call at the 'not stoppings'!
    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G36808/2022-12-27/detailed#allox_id=0

    Started 82 down, arrived 83 down


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2022, 12:51:13
    Nothing moved in or out of PAD until quite recently as over-running engineering works blocked access into/out of North Pole depot

    Looks like it moved from empty to full quite quickly. Empties arrived from North Pole at 10:35, 10:39, 10:42, 10:43, 10:46, 10:50, 10:52 and 10:56.  Passenger services arrived from Reading and beyond at 10:46, 10:51, 11:00 and 11:01 - the first of those having been held for a while at Slough


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2022, 12:52:55
    But it did call at the 'not stoppings'!
    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G36808/2022-12-27/detailed#allox_id=0

    Started 82 down, arrived 83 down

    Reading (only) from what I can see - and it spent 18 minutes there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2022, 14:50:28
    This morning I had to return the car I borrowed over Christmas back to my sister in Taunton.

    My train journey home to Templecombe was planned for connecting at Exeter into the first train up The Mule at 1325. Thus I was aiming for the 1245 from Taunton, 1C78 ex Paddington. That left Paddington over 70 minutes late, so I had to look at alternatives. The problems in the Thames Valley were compounded by the signalling failure between Bristol and Weston SM. Nothing would get me to Exeter in time for the 1325 to Templecombe.

    Eventually left Taunton at 1335 on 2C73 Cardiff to Penzance service, which had been diverted via Westbury to get round the signalling problems in the Yatton area.

    Arrived Exeter at 1404. Next SWR service to Templecombe at 1525.

    As I type I'm on the second leg of my journey. Traction provided by a VW Caddy. The 'line' I'm travelling on? A30.

    Taxi provided by GWR from Exeter St Davids to Templecombe.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2022, 15:41:06
    Prescient decision to request the taxi rather than wait for the 1525 from Exeter to Templecombe. Line is now closed at Axminster following a person hit by a train.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: AMLAG on December 27, 2022, 15:56:06

    Yet another, as yet unspecified, disruption to services between Salisbury and Exeter.
    The line was only planned today to have services attempted to operate from Midday.
    From  NRES 1530 27/12/22:-
    The emergency services are dealing with an incident between Exeter Central and Axminster.
     As a result, all lines are blocked and trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised. This is expected until 20:00.
    South Western Railway Customer Advice:
    Trains between Waterloo and Exeter will run between London Waterloo and Yeovil Junction


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 27, 2022, 16:09:38
    Due to a fatality at Axminster as BNM said.

    I fear it’s likely there will be a higher number than average of such incidents this winter.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2022, 16:54:33
    Due to a fatality at Axminster as BNM said.

    I fear it’s likely there will be a higher number than average of such incidents this winter.

    For clarity. Person struck by train. No idea if fatal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2022, 17:33:38
    As with [too many / any] incident, things start a little confused.  First thoughts with all those closely involved - whatever the outcome, and then for those inconvenienced, but not so much.  The outcome will become clear in time, and little glitches in data will sort out.   SWR are telling us that trains will be running Yeovil Junction to Waterloo while this is ongoing - odd, because nothing diesel is headed east of Basingstoke today, and GWR is telling us that their Axminster service is terminating short due to a different reason (staff shortage, which is probably the default excuse).

    II is correct - it's likely we'll see a higher number of such incidents this winter - and I will remind readers of the I need Help (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/6526) link at the top of this page, and to seek help if you need it.  That is irrespective of whether today's incident is one in which the person hit by the train has made a decision to be hit, or not - to know that we need to wait to hear more, and it's utterly wrong to make any assumptions until we know.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 27, 2022, 17:57:18
    I should also say that my rail replacement taxi journey was subject to delay too. The A303 was stop start across the Blackdown Hills, along the Ilminster bypass (whoever decided that section being built as three lanes, with alternating use of the middle lane, needs committing), and from Podimore to Sparkford. So bad was that last section that Google Maps was suggesting the route through Podimore village and on to Queen Camel before rejoining the A303 at Hazelgrove roundabout was quicker.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 27, 2022, 18:44:20
    Whoever decided that section being built as three lanes, with alternating use of the middle lane, needs committing.
    Can say the same about the A36 Warminster bypass.  Darn right dangerous in some places as drivers attempt to overtake in the short second lane sections.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 27, 2022, 21:04:45
    For clarity. Person struck by train. No idea if fatal.

    From Devon Live (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/one-person-seriously-injured-incident-7971926)

    Quote
    One person has been seriously injured in an incident on a Devon train track. Devon and Cornwall Police confirmed details of the incident between Honiton and Crewkerne earlier this evening (Tuesday, December 27) after South Western Railway (SWR) announced there would be delays and cancellations.

    The trainline remains partially blocked while emergency services attend the incident. SWR confirmed some delays, or train cancellations through the area for a few hours.

    A spokesperson for Devon and Cornwall Police said: "Unfortunately... there is a casualty. The person sustained a serious injury but unknown if it's life threatening." Witnesses have said the air ambulance also attended.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 28, 2022, 08:45:16
    Going back to yesterday at Paddington:
    Nothing moved in or out of PAD until quite recently as over-running engineering works blocked access into/out of North Pole depot

    Looks like it moved from empty to full quite quickly. Empties arrived from North Pole at 10:35, 10:39, 10:42, 10:43, 10:46, 10:50, 10:52 and 10:56.  Passenger services arrived from Reading and beyond at 10:46, 10:51, 11:00 and 11:01 - the first of those having been held for a while at Slough

    I experienced a second round of this disruption.  I arrived at Paddington at about 12:30 to catch the 12:50 back to Worcester. The concourse was very full, partly because the Underground entrance was closed for some reason. Even when that cleared:

    12:04 to Penzance left at 12:41
    12:07 to Newbury cancelled
    12:20 to Oxford left at 12:53
    12:28 Swansea on time
    12:31 Bristol Temple Meads left at 12:33
    12:33 Exeter St Davids cancelled
    12:50 Worcester Foregate Street left at 13:35
    13:02 Bristol Temple Meads left 13:14, conveying passengers for
    13:04 Plymouth started from Reading and calling at the 12:33's intermediate stations

    The 12:50 was on the boards as delayed due to "over-running engineering works", but announced on the train as being a "signal failure at the depot".

    The 12:50 left 45 late but didn't recover any time.  I was expecting it not to go beyond Shrub Hill but (praise be) we did actually make it through to Foregate Street, where a lot of passengers were waiting for the return journey.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on December 29, 2022, 08:53:39
    I was on the 0945 from Didcot. The night before the timetable showed an 8 car EMU that should have run fast from Reading. One VSTP later and it was a 2x3 car DMU which also called as Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough (presumably because TFL weren't running).

    The train was full and standing leaving Reading and left passengers behind at both Maidenhead and Slough with long dwells resulting in a very late arrival.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 11, 2023, 10:59:54
    Only just seen this on our wonderful journeycheck
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires earlier today between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:30 11/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 11, 2023, 13:28:17
    Also a signalling problem around Kintbury adding to the morning delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 11, 2023, 13:31:21
    And a track inspection Reading - Gatwick!
    Not a good day to be in Control


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 11, 2023, 21:31:43
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2023, 06:06:15
    Cancellations to services between West Ealing and Greenford

    Due to a points failure between West Ealing and Greenford all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 07:30 23/01.

    Customer Advice
    Apologies to customers hoping to travel between Greenford and West Ealing this morning. Due to a set of points freezing due to cold temperatures, we're currently unable to get our trains off the main lines and onto the Greenford branch. Network Rail are sending technicians to site to see if the issue can be rectified as temperatures are not set to rise much at all today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 23, 2023, 08:50:00
    That one's been cleared.

    However, there's a breoken down train at Maidenhead that has closed some lines this morning


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2023, 09:40:17
    .....and another one....

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure at Maidenhead some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 10:30 23/01.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    Additional Information
    We are sorry for the disruption to your journey today.

    Due to the failure of a set of points just to the East of Maidenhead, one of the lines from London Paddington to Reading is blocked and this is causing congestion as trains have to use a reduced number of lines.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 30, 2023, 15:29:54
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading bound high speed.

    Disruption is expected until 16:00 30/01.
    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed by up to 25 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2023, 09:12:15
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Westbury

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Westbury all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 11:00 05/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 05, 2023, 09:17:49
    That leaves a conundrum as the alternative line through Swindon is closed for engineering work all day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on February 05, 2023, 09:24:06
    That leaves a conundrum as the alternative line through Swindon is closed for engineering work all day.
    Which begs the question why engineering work was allowed to take place on the Berks and Hants with the line via Swindon also closed for engineering work leaving GWR no route in which to operate London services to/from Bristol, South Wales and the West Country  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2023, 09:27:06
    GWR Twitter:

    "Due to over running engineering works we are unable to run any of our long distance services until 1030."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on February 05, 2023, 09:33:05
    GWR Twitter:

    "Due to over running engineering works we are unable to run any of our long distance services until 1030."

    Looking at RTT, services are at a standstill at various points of the network waiting for the line block to end.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on February 05, 2023, 12:02:59
    That leaves a conundrum as the alternative line through Swindon is closed for engineering work all day.
    Which begs the question why engineering work was allowed to take place on the Berks and Hants with the line via Swindon also closed for engineering work leaving GWR no route in which to operate London services to/from Bristol, South Wales and the West Country  ???

    There was nothing scheduled in advance (i.e. in the EAS). Three engineering trains were put in as STP during last week, so presumably it was urgent work on the track (or possibly something else). Just one of those things, I guess.

    PS: there are further engineering trains out today - a TRU (a baby track measurement train) is currently approaching Bedwyn.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 23, 2023, 06:25:33
    Alterations to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 23/02


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 23, 2023, 07:09:07
    Points failure impacting the up main at Ruscombe junction.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 23, 2023, 08:50:50
    Update, sounds worse than first thought

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Twyford and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 11:00 23/02.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed or revised.

    Customer Advice
    A set of points had failed in the Twyford area, leading to the discovery of a further fault. In order for techs to repair the fault, some lines need to be closed. This means we only have 2 of the available 4 lines in use, requiring us to enter a contingency plan.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 24, 2023, 14:49:36
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 15:00 24/02.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed or revised.

    -also affecting Heathrow services


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 24, 2023, 16:27:52
    Re-opened, disruption expected till 1700


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on February 24, 2023, 17:30:32
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 15:00 24/02.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed or revised.

    -also affecting Heathrow services
    I’m not sure blocked was quite the right word to use on this occasion as trains were passing through the affected area all be it on a stop start nature after passing through Slough. The wife was on one of them heading to London arriving 26 minutes late. Another delay repay claim gone in. Every train, either or both of us take ends up with a claim going in. Train travel has never been cheaper for us.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 28, 2023, 08:17:13
    Thoughts with all affected;

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a person hit by a train between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:00 28/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on February 28, 2023, 10:58:54
    Noting all Cornish Paddington ran through Temple Meads today (1A13 0503 Pz) lost 46 minutes there.  Unusual as most (if not all) go via Westbury).
    Engineering works perhaps?

    Edit.
    D'oh.  Yes, engineering works.
    Please read journeycheck before posting...........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 08, 2023, 20:50:51
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 08/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2023, 12:34:59
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/03.

    Train services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3 may be delayed or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 13, 2023, 13:56:45
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/03.

    Train services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3 may be delayed or revised.

    Delays now until 1700 with cancellations and delays to  local, long distance & Elizabeth line services.

    Why is this system so fragile?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 13, 2023, 14:05:53
    Don't know if it is related to the strong winds - but one of the wires over the London-bound main line has come down between West Drayton and Acton.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on March 13, 2023, 14:11:06
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/03.

    Train services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 via Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3 may be delayed or revised.

    Delays now until 1700 with cancellations and delays to  local, long distance & Elizabeth line services.

    Why is this system so fragile?

    It’s old and wa done on the cheap when HEx was launched. Never really designed to handle all the electric trains using it today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on March 13, 2023, 14:11:55
    Don't know if it is related to the strong winds - but one of the wires over the London-bound main line has come down between West Drayton and Acton.

    Bit more than one unfortunately.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 13, 2023, 16:33:41
    Now delays/canx till end of day. Trains backed up along the Cotswold Line & over 80 minutes delays


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on March 13, 2023, 16:37:36
    Trying to get the wife back from London. As usual, little to no information as to when that actually be. Train was suppose to be leaving now. So yet another delay repay claim going in. Every journey it's the same, never on time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on March 13, 2023, 17:43:59
    "Useful in case of disruption" is the worst of arguments for retention of an alternative service.

    However, the decision to kill the Bristol to Waterloo trains came at a very bad time, given that the industry was in a state of change, and the OHLE inbound from Southall has emerged as being a bit glass-backed - and users of the route also have the potential disruption from large scale construction at Old Oak Common to look forward to. It's at times like these when people are changing the way they live and travel that opportunities can be created and grasped and in the face of this the DfT has been rather good at shutting down possibilities for growth.

    The Bristol to Waterloo trains enabled people who knew about them to sidestep a GWML meltdown, but also had a slew of other strengths, enabling a lot of journeys that are far more awkward without them and also improved the accessiblity of the railway system in the south west. Losing that service has been a disaster for the network. The scale of the disaster depends on how useful they were to the people affected.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 14, 2023, 06:37:23
    Looks like yesterday's overhead line problem remains unresolved so it's another day of chaos to look forward to.

    I was very lucky last night - managed to get on an Elizabeth Line service at Bond Street which delivered me at Taplow only about 5 minutes too late but have heard a number of horror stories from elsewhere.

    As I went through Ealing Broadway there was an IET parked up on the London bound fast platform with engineers crawling over the roof so not sure if that had something to do with it.

    Let's hope NR get it fixed this morning and come up with a more robust solution going forward.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on March 14, 2023, 06:43:28
    Looks like yesterday's overhead line problem remains unresolved so it's another day of chaos to look forward to.

    I was very lucky last night - managed to get on an Elizabeth Line service at Bond Street which delivered me at Taplow only about 5 minutes too late but have heard a number of horror stories from elsewhere.

    As I went through Ealing Broadway there was an IET parked up on the London bound fast platform with engineers crawling over the roof so not sure if that had something to do with it.

    Let's hope NR get it fixed this morning and come up with a more robust solution going forward.

    It has been reported elsewhere that an access panel on the roof became loose which resulted in it coming into contact with the overhead lines. Why remains to be seen but it was reported a polythene sheeting had been entangled in the overheads near Hayes, that may be a contributing factor in the panel coming loose

    The wires have been secured so that trains can run in diesel only on the mains.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 14, 2023, 07:40:30
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Plymouth via Taunton
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Swansea via Bristol Parkway
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hereford via Oxford


    ..............all due to the continuation of yesterday's OHL issue and expected to last "until the end of the day" according to Journeycheck.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on March 15, 2023, 06:41:30
    The coffee shop's visual map of services is useful for an at-a-glance impression of things this morning, and for once it doesn't look as though it's been attacked by a furious three year old armed with a red crayon... so, Severn Tunnel, see you in a bit.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 15, 2023, 06:50:30
    The coffee shop's visual map of services is useful for an at-a-glance impression of things this morning, and for once it doesn't look as though it's been attacked by a furious three year old armed with a red crayon... so, Severn Tunnel, see you in a bit.

    Mark

    Don't speak too soon.............

    Delays to services at Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
    Train services running through this station will be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 17, 2023, 07:41:58
    What a hopeless week it's been.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Slough the line towards Slough is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 17, 2023, 09:30:05
    Broken rail at one of the Southall crossovers. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on March 18, 2023, 09:27:46
    Broken rail at one of the Southall crossovers. 

    They seem to be suffering a lot of issues with crossovers


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 22, 2023, 18:06:29
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:30 22/03.

    Customer Advice
    Apologies to customers travelling between Slough and London Paddington this evening.

    Due to a points issue in the West Drayton area, the 'slow line' towards London is currently blocked.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 23, 2023, 07:18:04
    Cancellations to services between Slough and Hayes & Harlington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:30 22/03.

    Customer Advice
    Apologies to customers travelling between Slough and London Paddington this evening.

    Due to a points issue in the West Drayton area, the 'slow line' towards London is currently blocked.


    Appears to be ongoing this morning, or possibly another points failure as there are a number of cancellations and part cancellations.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 23, 2023, 08:12:27
    The Elizabeth Line is almost completly knackered this morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 23, 2023, 10:14:56
    The Elizabeth Line is almost completly knackered this morning.

    Power failure I think?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eightf48544 on March 26, 2023, 17:22:31
    I got caught out on 23rdon way to Reading fortuantely the friend I was meeting phoned to say tha the train I ws intending to catch fro Taplow was not on RTT. however, the one beofre was running late so I just had time to rush to the station. Manged it but only because it was running late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 27, 2023, 09:32:18
    Cancellations to services between Newbury and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Newbury and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on March 29, 2023, 08:26:38
    Quote
    Due to a fire next to the track at Maidenhead all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:15 29/03.

    Looking at Journeycheck, Intercity services appear to be terminating at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on March 29, 2023, 09:15:55
    UPDATE:

    Quote
    Due to a fire next to the track at Maidenhead all lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on March 29, 2023, 09:26:13
    Heard reports that signalling cables have been damaged in the area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on March 29, 2023, 10:33:25
    Heard reports that signalling cables have been damaged in the area.

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsYGAMhWcAIxS5z?format=jpg&name=small)

    Photo on Twitter (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1641006086160363520/photo/1)  suggests that the fire is perhaps an electrical fire? So cables will have been damaged. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on March 29, 2023, 10:56:57
    Yes, definite damage to S&T cables, hence the ‘disruption to the end of the day’ as it will take time to replace them.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on March 29, 2023, 11:58:04
    I'm wondering what this was as from the blackening to the OHLE supports this looks to have been big enough to start roasting anything stabled alongside.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 29, 2023, 18:21:08
    Seriously, unless you have absolutely no alternative, don't go anywhere near Paddington tonight.....I took one look at the masses, turned around, went to Waterloo and boarded a train to Windsor where Mrs TG kindly collected me.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 29, 2023, 19:57:34
    From the position of the fire, along the fence between the main line and the sidings, it can only be the railway's own fire (see pictures from the Chron (https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/23419538.delays-reading-train-station-fire-maidenhead/)). And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 29, 2023, 20:16:17
    Seriously, unless you have absolutely no alternative, don't go anywhere near Paddington tonight.....I took one look at the masses, turned around, went to Waterloo and boarded a train to Windsor where Mrs TG kindly collected me.

    I used the Elizabeth Line, but it did not stop at Burnham or Taplow, it crossed on the DN Main at Salt Hill.  I did not even attempt to look at the Main Line Station for fasts to Maidenhead.

    On the way in this morning I was on the 07:02 from Maidenhead it came to a  stop at Southall for about 15 / 20 mins, the Drive kept us informed that the power was off due to a line side fire at Maidenhead; we reached Padd where I picked up the Elizabeth Line the West bound were terminating, East bound Shenfield's were ok but the Abbey Wood's were MIA.

    Heard reports that signalling cables have been damaged in the area.

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsYGAMhWcAIxS5z?format=jpg&name=small)

    Photo on Twitter (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1641006086160363520/photo/1)  suggests that the fire is perhaps an electrical fire? So cables will have been damaged. 

    The fire does look a bit odd, being in 2 places.  The flames seem to be where a raised GRP trough route dives down to the OLE structures.   Could it have been a Traction Power (25kV) fault, these tend to clear very quickly (mili Seconds) and do not generally cause a fire.  A Traction Return Current fault that is a possibly but on modern AC Traction systems are extremely rare.  Other options low Voltage systems (signalling power, lighting etc) but these systems will clear a fault before a fire starts or vandalism or other non electrical cause


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on March 29, 2023, 20:43:19
    Letter arroving from NR & GWR to say both overhead power & Signalling going to be kaput into at least tomorrow mornng. So check before leaving home


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: DaveHarries on March 30, 2023, 00:43:42
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 30, 2023, 06:45:46
    Letter arroving from NR & GWR to say both overhead power & Signalling going to be kaput into at least tomorrow mornng. So check before leaving home

    Certainly looks that way, more of the same.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 30, 2023, 08:52:18
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 30, 2023, 10:34:11
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    If by "cable" you mean the vertical black line, then no - that's the actuating rod for the isolating switch sitting on the side arm. Compare it with the identical stanchion to the left of the portal. Each of those tall stanchions has a pair on the far side of the running lines, and there are four such pairs providing the traction connections for the four lines. There is an insulated cable going halfway up the near stanchion, then a bare wire on via that switch, up to the top, and across to the far side. Partway across there is an insulator and a wire drops down to connect to the catenary and contact wires. There are four of those, one for each line, each side of the midpoint section break.

    A lot of the switchgear you see sitting on poles, or corralled by the lineside, and even more lurking in sheds, exists to prevent traction circuit currents getting high enough to cause damage. As ET says, big fault currents must be removed in a fraction of a second, before enough energy has been dumped into the wires to overheat them. If that happened, then evidently "something went wrong". Traction supplies can cope with hundreds of amps, and if that sort of current at 25 kV gets into other cables they can get very hot without tripping anything. Obviously that's still something going wrong. So, several possibilities!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 30, 2023, 10:47:07
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.

    Oooooh how intriguing? Sabotage?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 30, 2023, 10:49:14
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.

    Oooooh how intriguing? Sabotage?

    No

    Might have contractual implications though

    The cables were not the cause of the fire but a victim.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on March 30, 2023, 10:51:07
    Might have contractual implications though

    It'll be embarrassing for someone, too.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on March 30, 2023, 15:12:29

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.

    Hopefully earthed  ;D ;D


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on March 31, 2023, 01:25:20
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.

    Oooooh how intriguing? Sabotage?

    No

    Might have contractual implications though
    Quote

    The cables were not the cause of the fire but a victim.

    Nice reply from Network Rail to someone who said fixing the damage had taken too long.

    https://twitter.com/David__Brunt/status/1641007491470315520



    Quote
    Network Rail Western
    @networkrailwest


    29 Mar
    ⚠️We're sorry for any disruption to your journey this morning as a result of a lineside fire in Maidenhead.

    David Brunt
    @David__Brunt

    Replying to
    @networkrailwest
    It really took two hours to put out that small fire?
    9:20 am · 29 Mar 2023


    Network Rail Western
    @networkrailwest


    16h
    Replying to
    @David__Brunt
    Hi David, at its peak the fire hit 600C. After the fire service put out the flames, the temperature started rising again. Only by 9pm last night had it reduced to a temp that our teams could assess the damage and start repairing/replacing cabling. I hope this helps explain.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 31, 2023, 08:47:03
    And, since it seems to be at the foot of the masts that carry traction power connections from the east side of the section break to the Maidenhead MPATS, presumably the traction power cables were the source of the fire.
    Yes it looks as if that had previously been something larger because of the gap in the troughing. Also I can't help wondering if that is a cable hanging down from the extension on that very blackened middle support and perhaps that made contact with something. Saying that the cable, if that is what it is, in question could be hanging down from there as part of the correct workings of OLE: I don't know.

    Dave

    The suspected cause is known within NR, I'm not at liberty to say what the suspected cause is, it is still subject of a live investigation.

    Oooooh how intriguing? Sabotage?

    No

    Might have contractual implications though
    Quote

    The cables were not the cause of the fire but a victim.

    Nice reply from Network Rail to someone who said fixing the damage had taken too long.

    https://twitter.com/David__Brunt/status/1641007491470315520



    Quote
    Network Rail Western
    @networkrailwest


    29 Mar
    ⚠️We're sorry for any disruption to your journey this morning as a result of a lineside fire in Maidenhead.

    David Brunt
    @David__Brunt

    Replying to
    @networkrailwest
    It really took two hours to put out that small fire?
    9:20 am · 29 Mar 2023


    Network Rail Western
    @networkrailwest


    16h
    Replying to
    @David__Brunt
    Hi David, at its peak the fire hit 600C. After the fire service put out the flames, the temperature started rising again. Only by 9pm last night had it reduced to a temp that our teams could assess the damage and start repairing/replacing cabling. I hope this helps explain.



    Would have been great if Network Rail/GWR had put that message (or similar) out proactively.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on March 31, 2023, 09:38:25
    Wednesday incident at Maidenhead

    The info I have had from a number of sources point to the suspected cause of the fire to have been a fault with the OLE switch or a component / connection associated with the switch arcing.  Molten metal dropping onto the GRP cable trough below casing ignition of the cable sheath.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on April 01, 2023, 00:03:43
    That is a surprising mechanism, though it can't be the whole story. Surely the protection should have stopped it happening?

    I don't have any first-hand experience of arcing at that power level (fortunately), and I wondered why I couldn't find much on the subject. I guess that's because it's just called a fault. But once an arc is established, the voltage across it is very low - under a kV - so the current drawn should trip something, even at the far end of the section. Unless there was something very peculiar about this arc ... or some current-limiting impedance in the circuit ... which has to be reactive or it will dissipate more power than the arc. So as usual, more questions are raised to start with and more investigating is needed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 01, 2023, 07:38:35
    That is a surprising mechanism, though it can't be the whole story. Surely the protection should have stopped it happening?

    I don't have any first-hand experience of arcing at that power level (fortunately), and I wondered why I couldn't find much on the subject. I guess that's because it's just called a fault. But once an arc is established, the voltage across it is very low - under a kV - so the current drawn should trip something, even at the far end of the section. Unless there was something very peculiar about this arc ... or some current-limiting impedance in the circuit ... which has to be reactive or it will dissipate more power than the arc. So as usual, more questions are raised to start with and more investigating is needed.

    Looking at the photos the OLE switch in the area of the fire is purely manual operation, no spring assistance.  Although they are called switches technically they are Isolators (open / close operation only off load) (switches can be operated to  make / break load current)

    Arcing is not Voltage dependant, load current and a relatively high impendence will cause arcing due to the Potential Difference between the 2 contacts.  The burning will cause carbonisation which increases the impedance.  It can get to the point where the air becomes Ionized which increases the arcing. 

    Temperatures sufficient to melt copper are easily reached in the matter of milliseconds.

    The load current on the switch would not be limited to the line it is connected to, Maidenhead being a Mid Point, in the case of this switch the remote end to the feed in from Kensal Green, there is an Intermediate Point at Slough, the circuit breakers and busbar in the Maidenhead Mid Point balance the load across all 4 lines.  At that time of the day there is I suspect a high traction load, 8 and 12 car class 387, 5, 9 and 10 car class 800 and class 345 all starting from stations, checked at signals.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on April 01, 2023, 20:11:25
    Looking at the photos the OLE switch in the area of the fire is purely manual operation, no spring assistance.  Although they are called switches technically they are Isolators (open / close operation only off load) (switches can be operated to  make / break load current)

    Arcing is not Voltage dependant, load current and a relatively high impendence will cause arcing due to the Potential Difference between the 2 contacts.  The burning will cause carbonisation which increases the impedance.  It can get to the point where the air becomes Ionized which increases the arcing. 

    Temperatures sufficient to melt copper are easily reached in the matter of milliseconds.

    The load current on the switch would not be limited to the line it is connected to, Maidenhead being a Mid Point, in the case of this switch the remote end to the feed in from Kensal Green, there is an Intermediate Point at Slough, the circuit breakers and busbar in the Maidenhead Mid Point balance the load across all 4 lines.  At that time of the day there is I suspect a high traction load, 8 and 12 car class 387, 5, 9 and 10 car class 800 and class 345 all starting from stations, checked at signals.

    Thanks for that explanation. I guess it's obvious it would be a series arc, though I understood the really destructive ones develop into a parallel arc. But the question of protection is still there; after all AFDDs are now recommended in domestic installations (18th edition of Wiring Regulations). There are quite a lot of those isolators (opened only for maintenance or during failures) along the section to worry about.

    I can see that full protection would be difficult, given that some pantograph arcing is inevitable, and with a choice of parallel paths. You don't want to disconnect a whole section just for occasional pantograph arcing, so something clever would be needed. But I'd guess that clever detection is in place, if only for condition monitoring. Disconnection (of what? where?) might not be feasible in the available time before major damage happens. As usual, it's a compromise.

    No doubt someone will be looking at alternatives to GRP conduit covers ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on April 02, 2023, 07:16:45
    Looking at the photos the OLE switch in the area of the fire is purely manual operation, no spring assistance.  Although they are called switches technically they are Isolators (open / close operation only off load) (switches can be operated to  make / break load current)

    Arcing is not Voltage dependant, load current and a relatively high impendence will cause arcing due to the Potential Difference between the 2 contacts.  The burning will cause carbonisation which increases the impedance.  It can get to the point where the air becomes Ionized which increases the arcing. 

    Temperatures sufficient to melt copper are easily reached in the matter of milliseconds.

    The load current on the switch would not be limited to the line it is connected to, Maidenhead being a Mid Point, in the case of this switch the remote end to the feed in from Kensal Green, there is an Intermediate Point at Slough, the circuit breakers and busbar in the Maidenhead Mid Point balance the load across all 4 lines.  At that time of the day there is I suspect a high traction load, 8 and 12 car class 387, 5, 9 and 10 car class 800 and class 345 all starting from stations, checked at signals.

    Thanks for that explanation. I guess it's obvious it would be a series arc, though I understood the really destructive ones develop into a parallel arc. But the question of protection is still there; after all AFDDs are now recommended in domestic installations (18th edition of Wiring Regulations). There are quite a lot of those isolators (opened only for maintenance or during failures) along the section to worry about.

    I can see that full protection would be difficult, given that some pantograph arcing is inevitable, and with a choice of parallel paths. You don't want to disconnect a whole section just for occasional pantograph arcing, so something clever would be needed. But I'd guess that clever detection is in place, if only for condition monitoring. Disconnection (of what? where?) might not be feasible in the available time before major damage happens. As usual, it's a compromise.

    No doubt someone will be looking at alternatives to GRP conduit covers ...


    AFDD's are being looked at, the problem is the railways operate a sliding contact current collection system which has many interruptions, building a profile for an arc fault device is challenging. 

    The type of protection used on 25kV is Distance Protection, the link has a lot fo tech stuff and sums  ( https://pacbasics.org/fundamentals-of-distance-protection/#:~:text=Zones%20of%20distance%20protection,-Distance%20protection%20uses&text=The%20zone%20and%20time%20grading,respect%20to%20the%20protected%20line. )
    Distance Protection is fast form of protection, it can react rapidly to low impedance faults, contact system conductors to traction return and Earth

    NR third rail DC uses Impedance Protection which is a fast form of protection, this can react rapidly to low impedance faults contact system conductors to traction return, but not so good for Earth faults as these are high impedance, deliberately by design the third rail Neg traction return is not directly bonded to Earth to limit stray DC currents in the Earth.

    Both the Distance and Impedance protection systems are not designed for the relatively rare serial arc as found in a burning connection or switch, thermal imaging is used for this periodically however this does need to be done while trains are running, heat is only generated with load current.

    I expect the position of GRP trough routes and cables under OLE switches will be reviewed Nationally


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 02, 2023, 09:05:42
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to engineering works not being finished on time between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 02/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on April 02, 2023, 13:12:17
    A hat tip to the Coffeeshop's map at top left, though it sadly too often looks as though it's been attacked by a three year old with a red crayon and anger issues, it's brilliant at providing an 'At a glance' answer to the question "What parts of the rail network are horked today?"

    Also, the 'Via Salisbury' option for Bath and Bristol (and, this weekend, South Wales)... a pity, this weekend, as well as no through services for the past 15 months and no action on the many poor connections at Salisbury, the woes on the GWML have conincided with engineering works closing Andover to Salisbury, and today, Bracknell to Reading, and, just in case anyone was thinking of taking the long way round that somehow was a valid through fares routing until a few years ago, Southampton to Salisbury too.

    Engineering works aside, I'm wondering if public awareness of travel via Salisbury is receding somewhat.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 04, 2023, 18:31:29
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury fewer trains are able to run.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 04, 2023, 18:42:50
    The failure of the bridge between Didcot and Oxford was initially posted here on this long thread (as it's an infrastructure issue) - however  it's become clear it merits ite own thread so posts on that bridge, please, to http://www.passenger.chat/27351 - Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure

    Please continue to post here (as, STOP PRESS, I see Taplow Green has done) with other infrastructure issues


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2023, 19:08:47
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:45 10/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on April 11, 2023, 15:38:30
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until ...

    As a lighter relief on this thread - a reminder that overhead problems are not unique to the Thames Valley (from IOM Today (https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/part-of-manx-electric-railway-line-to-shut-for-two-days-606993))

    Quote
    The Laxey to Ramsey section of the Manx Electric Railway will be closed for the next couple of days.

    An MER spokesperson said: 'Due to essential overhead wire repairs it is necessary for us to close the line on Wednesday (April 12) and Thursday (April 13).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TonyK on April 11, 2023, 18:38:21

    Quote
    The Laxey to Ramsey section of the Manx Electric Railway will be closed for the next couple of days.

    An MER spokesperson said: 'Due to essential overhead wire repairs it is necessary for us to close the line on Wednesday (April 12) and Thursday (April 13).

    Oh dear! Any forum members due to visit soon?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on April 12, 2023, 15:15:37
    Oh dear! Any forum members due to visit soon?

    It's been snowing on the Isle of Man today as well. Delays to ferries also. Hopefully things will have calmed down by next month for my trip.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 12, 2023, 17:38:33
    Back to the Thames Valley!

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a tree blocking the railway between London Paddington and Slough:

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 12/04.

    There is a tree which has fallen onto the railway and is making contact with the overhead electric wires, near Acton Main Line station. This means that two out of four railway lines are out of use in the problem area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2023, 07:45:10
    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Following a points failure between Reading and Slough all lines towards Slough will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 09:00 17/04.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2023, 08:54:56
    Alterations to services between Reading and Newbury

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 21, 2023, 09:26:44
    Again.......

    Alterations to services between Reading and Newbury

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be revised. Disruption is expected until 11:15 21/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 26, 2023, 15:28:13
    Once again. Simply happening far too often.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between Maidenhead and Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 18:00 26/04.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled, delayed or running non stop between Slough and Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: AMLAG on April 26, 2023, 22:05:41

    Seems the GW main line into Paddington is the most unreliable rail route into London.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on April 27, 2023, 06:22:56

    Seems the GW main line into Paddington is (becoming) the most unreliable rail route into London.




    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 28, 2023, 06:27:28
    ....and again...

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 28, 2023, 08:22:06
    ....and again...

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:00 28/04.

    Disruption now till 1000


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on April 29, 2023, 16:51:56
    ......today's Thames Valley offering.....

    Alterations to services at Maidenhead
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 29/04.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on April 29, 2023, 20:00:51
    The unit on the Windsor branch also failed and had to be swapped out.

    Meanwhile there’s a temporary 50mph restriction on the down main between Reading and  Didcot Parkway.  Not sure how long it’s been there but causes services to lose a bit of time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on April 30, 2023, 08:55:52
    Meanwhile there’s a temporary 50mph restriction on the down main between Reading and  Didcot Parkway.  Not sure how long it’s been there but causes services to lose a bit of time.

    And nearly caused me to miss my 8 minute connection at Didcot yesterday because we were then held outside the station waiting for a path into Platform 3.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 02, 2023, 13:33:11
    Virtually a daily event now......

    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:00 02/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 11, 2023, 04:36:33
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to urgent repairs to the railway between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 16, 2023, 18:00:44
    ⚠ Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident near the railway between #LondonPaddington and #DidcotParkway all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:00 16/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on May 16, 2023, 18:42:54
    ⚠ Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident near the railway between #LondonPaddington and #DidcotParkway all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:00 16/05.
    Make that 20:00.

    Some trains being diverted via the Berks and Hants.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2023, 13:30:52
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound high speed is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:00 18/05.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rower40 on May 18, 2023, 14:34:54
    Some queues of trains building up on the Up Main at Slough West, and the Down Relief at Dolphin Jn. And there aren’t many class 9 trains, so it looks like the Elizabeth Line service had been thinned out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2023, 15:15:35
    Some queues of trains building up on the Up Main at Slough West, and the Down Relief at Dolphin Jn. And there aren’t many class 9 trains, so it looks like the Elizabeth Line service had been thinned out.

    Disruption now till 1700

    Elizabeth Line suspended West Drayton -Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 19, 2023, 13:23:17
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway, all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 14:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: froome on May 19, 2023, 13:59:57
    Some queues of trains building up on the Up Main at Slough West, and the Down Relief at Dolphin Jn. And there aren’t many class 9 trains, so it looks like the Elizabeth Line service had been thinned out.

    Disruption now till 1700

    Elizabeth Line suspended West Drayton -Reading.

    I was travelling back from Windsor to Reading at about 5pm yesterday, and at that time, most trains running from Windsor & Eton Central to Slough were cancelled, due, I was told, to this points failure. I thought that line ran completely independently from the main lines through Slough, so don't understand why this points failure impacted on it.

    Fortunately I had my Brompton and could cycle to Slough, where the Elizabeth line train was then (about 5.30pm) running normally.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 19, 2023, 14:56:52
    Although it’s largely independent of the main lines it’s a fully signalled route and there’s also the siding which has points controlling it.  It looked like the unit had been put away in there yesterday evening as a result of whatever was wrong..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on May 19, 2023, 18:42:33
    Although it’s largely independent of the main lines it’s a fully signalled route and there’s also the siding which has points controlling it.  It looked like the unit had been put away in there yesterday evening as a result of whatever was wrong..

    I'm not a signalling engineer so I'm kinda guessing if one of the sets of points lost point detection in the connection onto the DN Main the DN Main and Windsor branch signals would fail safe (Red), the quick fix may have been to clamp the Windsor Branch points, the S&T to do some overriding of the interlocking to allow the DN Main return to normal, as the branch is signalled the Windsor service may have had to be suspended due to the logic of the interlocking.

    I could be wrong


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 24, 2023, 15:19:23


    Service alteration details
    Incident reported: 24 May 2023 at 15:02



    Last updated

    24 May 2023 at 15:12

    Train operators affected

    Elizabeth line
    Great Western Railway
    Heathrow Express
    Route(s) affected
    Elizabeth line between Abbey Wood and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Reading, and between Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Great Western Railway between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway / Cheltenham Spa / Hereford / Newbury / Bristol Temple Meads / Cardiff Central / Swansea / Carmarthen / Weston-super-Mare / Frome / Exeter St Davids / Plymouth / Penzance

    Heathrow Express between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Description
    A fault with the signalling system between Acton Main Line and Ealing Broadway is causing disruption to journeys running between these stations. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 1700


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on May 25, 2023, 07:47:06
    05:10 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 07:37
    05:10 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 07:37 will be terminated at Reading.
    It will no longer call at Thatcham, Theale and London Paddington.
    It has been delayed at Pewsey and is now 27 minutes late.

    The return journey now starting from Reading.

    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2023, 19:34:35
    Urgent repairs are needed to the track between Heathrow Airport Terminals 2 & 3 and Hayes & Harlington.

    As a result of this, Elizabeth line services may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Heathrow Terminal 5 will not be served.

    Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 12, 2023, 17:46:29
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a speed restriction because of severe weather between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 12/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 13, 2023, 14:37:14
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:00 13/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 14, 2023, 06:50:58
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Marlow

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Marlow the line is closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:45 14/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 14, 2023, 07:37:51
    Thames Valley branches doing well this morning............

    Cancellations to services between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central

    Due to a fault on this train between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central all lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 14/06.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2023, 10:26:42
    Bus to Taplow it is then!

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:30 20/06.

    Customer Advice
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 22, 2023, 20:43:33
    Alterations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Alterations to services between Newbury and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 21:00 22/06.

    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading may be terminated at and started back from Reading. Some stations between Reading and London Paddington will not be served.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on June 27, 2023, 06:55:56
    Cancellations to services between Theale and Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Theale and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 06, 2023, 18:01:16
    1B25 17:18 PAD-SWA has failed at Ladbroke Grove and is blocking the Down Main...

    EDIT: It appears to have returned to PAD.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2023, 11:10:30
    Cancellations to services between Bourne End and Marlow

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow the line is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or revised. Marlow will not be served. Disruption is expected until 12


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 07, 2023, 18:33:20
    Alterations to services between Newbury and Thatcham

    Due to a broken down train between Newbury and Thatcham the line towards Reading is blocked.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:00 07/07


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 09, 2023, 16:09:33
    Alterations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 45 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 17:30 09/07.

    Additional Information
    There is a signalling fault in the Didcot Parkway area which is causing delays to our services whilst services travel through the affected area.
    Some of our stopping services between Didcot Parkway & London Paddington will only run between Reading & London Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 13, 2023, 18:03:43
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 13/07.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 17, 2023, 08:04:55
    Bridge near Hanwell has been struck by a road vehicle.  It’s a bridge that requires an examiner to pass as safe before trains can run, so another morning of major disruption beckons.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 17, 2023, 09:20:21
    Bridge near Hanwell has been struck by a road vehicle.  It’s a bridge that requires an examiner to pass as safe before trains can run, so another morning of major disruption beckons.

    All lines now reopened (thankfully!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on July 17, 2023, 10:30:11
    This motivated me to check the bridges to either side of Hanwell Station, hopefully this lovely structure isn't the casualty.

    Mark

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5115645,-0.3410205,3a,75y,190.91h,89.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss_oh7goRGJpGlFcqj8MPhg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 17, 2023, 10:45:57
    All lines now reopened (thankfully!)

    Much sooner than was originally expected for once.  So much so that it caught GWR control out a bit as they were planning for much longer disruption as originally notified by NR!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on July 17, 2023, 11:18:00
    Bridge near Hanwell has been struck by a road vehicle.  It’s a bridge that requires an examiner to pass as safe before trains can run, so another morning of major disruption beckons.

    All lines now reopened (thankfully!)

    Still some disruption, I’m currently on a Reading-bound EL service which started from P12 at PAD,


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2023, 04:37:19
    A good start to the day.....

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Some stations between Reading and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 09:00 25/07.

    Customer Advice
    Other services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. London Buses are accepting train tickets via any reasonable route on N11 and N207

    Additional Information
    A data link issue is preventing the signallers from being able to operate the points (the moving pieces of track that enable trains to change lines) and the signals. Techs are on-site trying to rectify the fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 25, 2023, 07:37:02
    Puzzled by part of their customer advice -
    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Surely the Elizabeth Line uses the same signals/points, etc as GWR, so how come they are apparently running, but not GWR?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 25, 2023, 08:10:39
    Puzzled by part of their customer advice -
    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Surely the Elizabeth Line uses the same signals/points, etc as GWR, so how come they are apparently running, but not GWR?

    Elizabeth Line gets priority and/or points have been secured to enable Elizabeth Line trains to operate


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2023, 08:15:14
    Puzzled by part of their customer advice -
    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

    Surely the Elizabeth Line uses the same signals/points, etc as GWR, so how come they are apparently running, but not GWR?

    Elizabeth Line gets priority and/or points have been secured to enable Elizabeth Line trains to operate

    Just checked National Rail, everything (all Elizabeth Line) between  0815-1000 from Taplow is cancelled.....if that's priority I feel sorry for those at the back of the queue.

    GWR now advising disruption till midday.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 25, 2023, 08:19:30
    Just checked National Rail, everything (all Elizabeth Line) between  0815-1000 from Taplow is cancelled.....if that's priority I feel sorry for those at the back of the queue.

    GWR now advising disruption till midday.

    That sounds more like a line blockage to allow for a fix to be implemented or testing of the signaling equipment to be carried out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2023, 15:53:18
    Disruption now expected "until the end of the day"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 25, 2023, 16:04:17
    Quote
    Dear......
     
    We are writing to update you on the disruption to train services between Reading and London Paddington this morning, due to a fault with the signalling system. This impacted GWR South Wales services, as well as Heathrow Express and Elizabeth Line services.
     
    Network Rail teams are on site investigating but we wanted you to be aware that it now seems likely that the disruption will continue for the rest of the day and into this evening.
     
    An amended timetable is now in place for GWR, Heathrow Express and the Elizabeth line services as follows:
     
    Heathrow Express running every 30 minutes
    GWR London Paddington to South Wales services running hourly
    Elizabeth Line and GWR working together to run four local trains per hour - two to Heathrow and two to Reading
     
    All other GWR services are scheduled to run but could be subject to last minute cancellations and delays.
     
    We sincerely apologise for the disruption and we are encouraging everyone to to check before they travel – either on our website or through National Rail Enquiries.
     
    Network Rail are working hard to rectify the fault and we will keep you updated.
     
    Best Wishes
     
    Heledd and Jane
     
    Heledd Iolo
    Public Affairs Manager
    Network Rail, Wales & Western
     
    Jane Jones
    Head of Public Affairs


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2023, 16:54:53
    Just spoken to someone stuck at Slough Station who's been advised that everything towards Reading is cancelled for the next 90 mins.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 25, 2023, 18:11:59
    Just spoken to someone stuck at Slough Station who's been advised that everything towards Reading is cancelled for the next 90 mins.

    Clipping and scotching points to give access to the CrossRail depot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 25, 2023, 21:37:39
    Disruption now forecast until 1000 on 26 July, well over 24 hours since it began.

    It sometimes feels the system is so fragile that a feather could knock it over.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 08:47:44
    Disruption now forecast until 1200.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 09:10:37
    Disruption now forecast until 1200.

    1800 now.

    It appears to be a proper head scratcher!  They are still suffering interference on both the datalinks. The system has two datalinks for system redundancy. If one goes down you can run still run on the one good datalink.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 10:45:27
    Disruption now forecast until 1200.

    1800 now.

    It appears to be a proper head scratcher!  They are still suffering interference on both the datalinks. The system has two datalinks for system redundancy. If one goes down you can run still run on the one good datalink.

    I would suggest it's probably time for the head scratching to be replaced by arse kicking!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on July 26, 2023, 11:02:16
    NR have just posted on X (Twitter) that it's 6pm 'at the earliest' which doesn't fill one with much confidence that it will be resolved before the day is out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 11:38:02
    NR have just posted on X (Twitter) that it's 6pm 'at the earliest' which doesn't fill one with much confidence that it will be resolved before the day is out.

    No confidence whatsoever.....I'm wondering what the public/media reaction would be if a major motorway or airport was restricted in a similar way for what will most likely be 48 hours?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 12:41:08
    Looks like London to Didcot/Newbury services now starting/finishing at Reading........which just leaves customers with the challenge of getting to/from Reading.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 14:10:40
    NR have just posted on X (Twitter) that it's 6pm 'at the earliest' which doesn't fill one with much confidence that it will be resolved before the day is out.

    All a process of elimination. Every single equipment cabinet in the Paddington to Acton area needs to be examined and tested. You could strike lucky and the problem might be in the first cabinet you test, or worst case, the last one.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 14:13:49

    No confidence whatsoever.....I'm wondering what the public/media reaction would be if a major motorway or airport was restricted in a similar way for what will most likely be 48 hours?

    We all still have a good moan! 
    Motorways with lane closures where you don’t see a single person working and those average speed cameras…….. or alrports when they’re hit by IT failures or air traffic control goes down.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 15:46:53
    Quelle surprise.......

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 17:35:41
    Normal running given at 16:15

    GWR expect to be running a good service from Paddington by 19:00.  MTR a good service by 21:00


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 26, 2023, 17:39:44
    Normal running given at 16:15

    GWR expect to be running a good service from Paddington by 19:00.  MTR a good service by 21:00

    .......never doubted them for a minute  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 17:42:30
    Normal running given at 16:15

    GWR expect to be running a good service from Paddington by 19:00.  MTR a good service by 21:00

    .......never doubted them for a minute  ;)

    It’s early yet….. it’s been given back after the system remained stable for an hour!  :-\


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on July 26, 2023, 18:20:26
    GWR journeycheck says to expect disruption still to the end of the day before a a full timetable can be restarted


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 26, 2023, 19:19:13
    Normal running given at 16:15

    NR did put out a video on (no longer?) Twitter (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1684215899295809538?s=46&t=0eD2f57GNzZU6XDIdukAug), and not a bad attempt at explaining the situation. But far too late - in the end it must have been after the fix was found, during the hour of watching and hoping.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Surrey 455 on July 26, 2023, 20:43:58

    NR did put out a video on (no longer?) Twitter (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1684215899295809538?s=46&t=0eD2f57GNzZU6XDIdukAug).....

    I'll keep calling it Twitter for the time being. The URL is twitter.com. Type in X.com and it redirects to twitter.com!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on July 26, 2023, 22:22:53
    Fault at Paddington has reoccurred again at around 20:30.

    Multiple changes of signalling aspects reported.

    Disruption expected again tomorrow morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on July 26, 2023, 22:48:47
    From JourneyCheck:
    Quote
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/07.
    Train services between London Paddington and Reading will be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.
    Last Updated:26/07/2023 21:47


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 27, 2023, 02:06:45
    Normal running given at 16:15

    GWR expect to be running a good service from Paddington by 19:00.  MTR a good service by 21:00

    Ah well.....it was good while it lasted!  ::)

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/07.
    Train services between London Paddington and Reading will be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.

    Customer Advice
    We're sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A fault with a data link between signalling equipment has reoccurred meaning that we are unable to use some lines between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway. Network Rail engineers are investigating the fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 27, 2023, 08:49:53
    Perhaps keep the champagne on ice for a few hours yet.......

    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Following a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington the line will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/07.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading are returning to normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on July 27, 2023, 11:39:05
    Bit time-sensitive this morning, so, currently on a 70% seats-free train at Warminster, heading for Bristol, returning from London via Salisbury.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 27, 2023, 12:29:22
    Bit time-sensitive this morning, so, currently on a 70% seats-free train at Warminster, heading for Bristol, returning from London via Salisbury.

    Mark

    Looks like you arrived as Salisbury from London at 10:48 and so missed the 10:44 major-stops-only to Bristol.  Instead, you caught the 11:12 to Bristol - a new train in May that actually started from Salisbury (2V92) - 158752 - and 30% loading as early as Warminster feels not unreasonable. The 11:12, after all, sets off from Salisbury just BEFORE the arrival of the SWR trains from Basingstoke and from Romsey.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 27, 2023, 12:44:49
    Cancellations to services between Taunton and Reading via Westbury
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Taunton and Castle Cary trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Westbury. Disruption is expected until 16:00 27/07.
    Train services between Taunton and Reading via Westbury may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    So the fault has transferred West!

    That's the problem with a centralised system unfortunately.
    Our Maritime Radio services went down a remote control route, it worked OK'ish after a fashion. Was heavily reliant on engineering services to kick something back into life; or BT line engineers to poke bits of wire somewhere.
    The Coastguard thought this was a wonderful idea, so went down that route.  It works after a fashion, but I don't know their attrition rate.
    Then the Fire service started remote working, as did the Police and Ambulance.
    Remoting was to be the saviour of mankind. Would cut costs and reduce the need for 'people'.
    Just about every industry now has remote/central control.
    Not really impressed by it.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on July 27, 2023, 15:11:24
    That's the one. The journey went as follows: anecdote not data: the barriers at Waterloo didn't fight my ticket. The exeter train left on time, dropped three busy ~60% occupied carriages at Salisbury, which left empty for the depot while the passengers for the most part left the station, and left Salisbury station pretty quiet.

    There's now a Costa on the island platform, which is welcome competition from the usual concession on the other that once sold me a suspicious cake. The Bristol train was quiet from Salisbury, a little busier from Warminster, was checked slightly at Dilton Marsh perhaps because Westbury was feeling the heat of the disruption east of Reading  in the form of out-of-path arrivals at its generous three platform provision. Lots of people aboard at Trowbridge, so cheerfully busy thereafter.

    End to end impressions of the journey - busy peak hour through trains from my origin point to Waterloo East meant no need to change at London Bridge, which helps. Out of Waterloo, takes twice as long now but less of a fairground ride, and, given the current  disruption on the Paddington route, a lot of confidence of an on-time arrival.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on July 27, 2023, 17:29:04
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:15 27/07.
    Last Updated:27/07/2023 17:25


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on July 27, 2023, 17:55:13
    Quote
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:15 27/07.
    Last Updated:27/07/2023 17:25

    Someone's been waving that feather around again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on July 27, 2023, 21:36:09
    Reports on Twitter that this service set off for Exeter from Reading but some passengers aboard didn't get the message that its schedule had been changed to run non-stop to Exeter St Davids.

    Mark

    https://twitter.com/BinTwoPadstow/status/1684643596085899266

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75395/2023-07-27


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on July 28, 2023, 09:34:33
    *Re-reads Realtime Trains* Ah, I was wrong, no stop at Reading, so Paddington to Exeter non-stop, despite which it stayed around an hour down throughout.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 28, 2023, 09:54:18
    *Re-reads Realtime Trains* Ah, I was wrong, no stop at Reading, so Paddington to Exeter non-stop, despite which it stayed around an hour down throughout.

    Mark

    That stop (or non-) at Reading makes a huge difference. Once you have your passengers aboard you can tell them all what's what, in a way that's never 100% reliable at the originating station. Then the ones who need to can be tipped off at e.g. Reading, where they and the local staff know they need to be sorted out with alternative trains. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on July 28, 2023, 12:37:29
    *Re-reads Realtime Trains* Ah, I was wrong, no stop at Reading, so Paddington to Exeter non-stop, despite which it stayed around an hour down throughout.

    Mark
    Don't understand how it didn't make up time for that length of journey.
    Something amiss?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 28, 2023, 12:52:19
    Don't understand how it didn't make up time for that length of journey.
    Something amiss?

    Only three stations were ommitted, so a signal check or two en-route due to losing its path would more than swollow up the potential six or so minutes gained from removal of those stops.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on July 28, 2023, 12:58:27
    Don't understand how it didn't make up time for that length of journey.
    Something amiss?

    Only three stations were ommitted, so a signal check or two en-route due to losing its path would more than swollow up the potential six or so minutes gained from removal of those stops.

    Makes you wonder why they bother, doesn't it?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on July 30, 2023, 08:13:30
    I have split this off to a separate thread - it merits its own discussion rather than being buried here!

    This is a bit of a highjack post and may not be the right place to ask it, but it is relevant to the large number of cancellations currently experienced in the Thames Valley…

    (How) Does Delay Repay work if I arrive at my departure station and find so many cancellations that I just turn around and go home? I wont have swiped in and so there is no record of my attempt to travel, but the cancellations will have changed my plans and I have been unable to travel.

    Thanks

    New thread at http://www.passenger.chat/27733


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 01, 2023, 12:48:43
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are now open.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:30 01/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 02, 2023, 07:07:46
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure at West Ealing some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:15 02/08.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled or delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 05, 2023, 10:42:55
    ........yet again.

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be terminated at and started back from Reading. Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 05/08.

    Please be advised that due to an issue with the signalling system in the Southall area just West of London Paddington, Network Rail have asked GWR to reduce their service between Reading and London Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2023, 08:08:25
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2023, 08:39:11
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/08.

    Disruption now expected till 1030


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2023, 10:39:11
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 08:30 08/08.

    Disruption now expected till 1030

    1230


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 10, 2023, 20:32:15
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading bound high speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 21:30 10/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 14, 2023, 07:34:13
    Welcome to the new week!  ::)


    Cancellations to services between Newbury and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading West all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 09:30 14/08.
    Train services between Newbury and Reading may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.
    Additional Information
    Due to a fault with the signalling system in the Reading West area, we are unable to operate our Reading to Basingstoke & Reading to Newbury services at the moment.
    Network Rail are on site investigating the fault.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 15, 2023, 16:42:48
    The UM appears to be shut between Moreton Cutting and Reading, which means that all Up trains are currently using the UR.  This exposes a weakness in the layout at Reading, in that you can’t access P10 and P11 (the UM platforms) from the UR, so all Up trains have to use P12 -P15, which are getting a bit congested.  This is exacerbated by the fact that Crossrail trains normally take up 2 platforms, which wasn’t envisaged when the station layout was designed.     

    A solution would be a trailing crossover between the UM and DR just west of the station, but I suppose the chances of that happening are about zero.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 15, 2023, 17:05:12
    Little chance of any additional crossovers, I've often thought crossovers between Goring and Pangbourne would be useful.  Though they can also use P7 or P8 at Reading as well as P12-15 if needed, though that will often conflict with down main movements.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 15, 2023, 17:16:42
    A Crossrail has been put in P10 which I've seen before to help free up P12-P15.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 15, 2023, 18:20:29
    The UM appears to be shut between Moreton Cutting and Reading, which means that all Up trains are currently using the UR.  This exposes a weakness in the layout at Reading, in that you can’t access P10 and P11 (the UM platforms) from the UR, so all Up trains have to use P12 -P15, which are getting a bit congested.  This is exacerbated by the fact that Crossrail trains normally take up 2 platforms, which wasn’t envisaged when the station layout was designed.     

    Reading was designed with Crossrail in mind and there was always Paddington - Reading locals that occupied platforms at Reading.

    I suspect there is an Operations plan for the eventuality of lines leading into Reading being blocked


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on August 16, 2023, 03:59:16
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    -

    What's happening between Newbury and Reading?

    At around midday on 14/08/2023, a part of a trains overhead electrical system collided with a bridge just West of Newbury. This collision resulted in damage to both the train and the overhead line equipment. Network Rail are still assessing the damage to their infrastructure and as a consequence, we're unable to operate any electric-only traction (trains) between Newbury and Reading until further notice.

    -

    What's the impact on service for Wednesday 16/08/2023?

    Services between Bedwyn - Newbury and Reading are going to be disrupted as we're still unable to operate electric traction (trains) between Newbury and Reading. GWR & Network Rail Western Control have been working overnight to formulate a plan to utilise diesel units from other areas of the network to try and maintain a good level of service between Newbury and Reading. The specifics of this plan will be announced later this morning but will of course be advertised as soon as they're confirmed. For the most part we will be able to maintain an hourly service as a minimum between Newbury and Reading. A basic summary of impact is as follows:

    - There will be a reduced service between Newbury and Reading today.
    - The Bedwyn - Newbury shuttles will operate as normal.
    - Newbury to Reading shuttles will be subject to cancellations though some may operate using diesel trains.
    - Fast London Paddington-bound trains that start at Bedwyn / Frome / Bristol during the AM peak period will run as booked.
    - London Paddington bound trains booked to start at Newbury will start at Reading and terminate at Reading on their return journey.

    Please consult online journey planners for specific journey enquiries where you will see an updated list of what is and isn't cancelled today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on August 16, 2023, 12:59:01
    Quote
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 13:30 16/08.

    Additional Information
    Owing to a fault with the signalling system in the Didcot Parkway, trains are being delayed whilst they travel through the affected area, this is building congestion as a result.
    Network Rail Engineers are on site attempting to fix the fault.
    Some trains will be altered or diverted to ease congestion in the Didcot Parkway area.
    Last Updated:16/08/2023 12:48

    13:45 - disruption now expected until 16:00 with delays of up to 60 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 21, 2023, 19:55:11
    Yet again.....

    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:45 21/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 22, 2023, 14:40:49
    Well, would you believe it. Some sort of infrastructure failure is virtually a daily event now in the Thames Valley.

    Alterations to services at Slough
    Due to a points failure at Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 16:00 22/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 22, 2023, 16:52:33
    Well, would you believe it. Some sort of infrastructure failure is virtually a daily event now in the Thames Valley.

    Alterations to services at Slough
    Due to a points failure at Slough some lines are blocked.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 16:00 22/08.

    This all may be the combination of "Modernising Maintenance" and staff holidays.  Quite a number of staff have been released under voluntary severance compounded by a very tightly controlled recruitment and promotion processes over the last year or so some of the teams that respond to faults have been depleted or have a much large area to cover.

    The added restriction is the "Track Worker Safety Scheme" basically staff are not allowed on the track without a "Line Block" ie trains cannot run on the lines staff require to carryout repairs or lines required to access equipment.  The days of a "Lookout" ie someone with a flag and horn to warn of an approaching train have been consigned to the history books.

    Modernising maintenance has been driven by the Treasury and DfT to reduce the cost to tax payer, track worker safety has been pushed by the ORR, NR had to implement both these in very quick order.

     


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on August 22, 2023, 18:38:14
    "Modernising maintenance" is basically returning to reactive maintenance rather than proactive.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 22, 2023, 18:43:32
    "Modernising maintenance" is basically returning to reactive maintenance rather than proactive.

    ....without the 'luxury' of lookouts on active lines. So even worse than what was had historically


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on August 23, 2023, 06:12:52
    The intended prosecution of Network Rail (Scotland) will also add to the multi layers of 'elf and safety, and to my mind, only increase future repair delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 23, 2023, 17:53:58
    .....and again....

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:00 23/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 24, 2023, 09:13:36
    Scarcely credible. Almost literally becoming a daily event.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on the line towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:15 24/08.

    Customer Advice
    Fewer services will be able to run after 09:45 due to a safety inspection of the track


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on August 25, 2023, 06:09:01
    Alterations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:00 25/08.
    Train services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames will be suspended. All stations between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames will not be served.
    Customer Advice
    Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. We have ordered road replacement, we will update when confirmed.
    AND
    Alterations to services between Reading and Basingstoke
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:00 25/08.
    Train services between Reading and Basingstoke will be suspended.
    Customer Advice
    CrossCountry and South Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    AND
    Alterations to services between Greenford and West Ealing
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:00 25/08.
    Train services between Greenford and West Ealing will be suspended.
    AND
    Alterations to services between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford
    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Reading some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:00 25/08.
    Train services between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford and Redhill will be suspended.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on August 25, 2023, 07:33:59
    Problems getting sets on and off Reading Traincare Depot.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 25, 2023, 10:52:13
    Just becoming a complete farce now.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:30 25/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 25, 2023, 16:03:54
    Just becoming a complete farce now.

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:30 25/08.

    Class 800's were running on the UP Relief through West Drayton, Hayes when I travel form Padd to Maidenhead around lunchtime today


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on August 25, 2023, 18:34:10
    Mostly back to normal now, except "A fault on a train between Newbury and Bedwyn means fewer trains are able to run on all lines. As a result, trains between these stations may be cancelled.We expect this to continue until 19:30."


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2023, 12:19:28
    It may be a strike day, but sure enough.......

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:15 26/08.

    Additional Information
    There is currently a points problem in the Slough area. Points are the moving pieces of rail that enable trains to change tracks. As a result of this services towards London Paddington are having to run on a slower line on a portion of their journey between Reading and London Paddington which may incur a small delay.

    Furthermore, there is a fault with the signalling system in the Southall area that is also causing further delays.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2023, 15:17:54
    And another one! Are Network Rail all on holiday?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:30 26/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 26, 2023, 15:31:28
    They're not, but always reactive - so will take time to rectify. Meanwhile reports go out....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2023, 17:35:42
    They're not, but always reactive - so will take time to rectify. Meanwhile reports go out....

    Judging by the performance over the last 7-10 days there appears to be a problem across the whole area so I would hope they will be investigating the root cause/treating it accordingly and not just applying tape and bits of string as and when this is happening once or twice daily.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 26, 2023, 17:39:35
    If you want a week's closure to relay the whole track from Reading/Slough to Paddington?.... ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2023, 20:00:53
    If you want a week's closure to relay the whole track from Reading/Slough to Paddington?.... ::)

    Didn't realise they'd allowed it to get into such a poor state of repair.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on August 26, 2023, 20:38:31
    That's what happens if no proactive maintenance is done.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 26, 2023, 21:06:03
    That's what happens if no proactive maintenance is done.

    Yep with the added complication of in many places accessing lineside equipment requires a line block and always requires a line block if going onto the track.

    Modernising Maintenance and Modernising Management my also have resulted in some skills gaps, people have had to be let go to meet Government driven cost targets


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2023, 21:49:25
    That's what happens if no proactive maintenance is done.

    Yep with the added complication of in many places accessing lineside equipment requires a line block and always requires a line block if going onto the track.

    Modernising Maintenance and Modernising Management my also have resulted in some skills gaps, people have had to be let go to meet Government driven cost targets

    Probably explains why they prefer to fly!

    https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/08/08/uk-industry-deeply-frustrated-by-network-rail-air-travel-policy/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on August 27, 2023, 07:59:56
    That's what happens if no proactive maintenance is done.

    Yep with the added complication of in many places accessing lineside equipment requires a line block and always requires a line block if going onto the track.

    Modernising Maintenance and Modernising Management my also have resulted in some skills gaps, people have had to be let go to meet Government driven cost targets

    Probably explains why they prefer to fly!

    https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/08/08/uk-industry-deeply-frustrated-by-network-rail-air-travel-policy/


    You do not find frontline staff having the option of using flights


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 28, 2023, 20:41:06
    Ahhhhh the annual joy that is the Notting Hill Carnival (trespass at Westbourne Park apparently)

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway

    Following trespassers on the railway earlier today between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 28/08.

    Customer Advice
    A trespass incident has caused considerable disruption to train services to and from London Paddington this evening. Please accept our apologies if your journey has been affected by this incident and thank you for your understanding for the need to halt train services when persons are seen on or about the line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on August 31, 2023, 11:49:40
    Well, we had a couple of days without one I guess........

    Delays to services at Slough
    Due to a points failure at Slough some lines are blocked.
    Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:45 31/08.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 05, 2023, 12:09:43
    Several of these......I mean OK it's warm......but "severe weather?" Really?

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21 will no longer call at Maidenhead and Twyford.

    This is due to severe weather.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on September 05, 2023, 13:49:11
    Several of these......I mean OK it's warm......but "severe weather?" Really?

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21 will no longer call at Maidenhead and Twyford.

    This is due to severe weather.


    No, not really. They were re-instated.  The freezing rain that was expected to lock the points did not happen.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 05, 2023, 15:47:53
    Several of these......I mean OK it's warm......but "severe weather?" Really?

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21 will no longer call at Maidenhead and Twyford.

    This is due to severe weather.


    No, not really. They were re-instated.  The freezing rain that was expected to lock the points did not happen.

     ;D  No doubt it would have been a precautionary measure to protect the crossovers at Slough those trains use, to avoid the risk of a failure causing more significant disruption along the the lines of which TG tells us about regularly.

    At a guess the expected CRT wasn’t reached so it was deemed unnecessary.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 05, 2023, 17:52:22
    Several of these......I mean OK it's warm......but "severe weather?" Really?

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21

    14:05 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:21 will no longer call at Maidenhead and Twyford.

    This is due to severe weather.


    No, not really. They were re-instated.  The freezing rain that was expected to lock the points did not happen.

     ;D  No doubt it would have been a precautionary measure to protect the crossovers at Slough those trains use, to avoid the risk of a failure causing more significant disruption along the the lines of which TG tells us about regularly.

    At a guess the expected CRT wasn’t reached so it was deemed unnecessary.

    I'm just relieved that there were no incidences of spontaneous human combustion on the platforms.

    .......lovely weather for a BBQ though......let's see what Sunday brings!  ;)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 05, 2023, 18:05:29
    .......lovely weather for a BBQ though......let's see what Sunday brings!  ;)

    Yes, lovely that the late summer is providing some hot weather after a poor time of it so far this year…upgraded weather warnings apparently - https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/05/uk-weather-heat-health-warning-upgraded-as-heatwave-forecast


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 07, 2023, 06:06:02
    Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 07/09.
    Customer Advice
    -

    Following an incident last night that caused damage to two electric trains in the Acton area just West of London Paddington, we have a block to electric traction (BTET) in place on the fast line through the Acton area going towards London Paddington. This means we've only three out of the four lines available between Hayes and Harlington and London Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 07, 2023, 07:28:36
    Now extended to 1300 7/9


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 07, 2023, 18:50:16
    Overhead line this morning, now......


    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:30 07/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2023, 06:37:57
    Delays to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to a fire next to the track between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:00 09/09.
    Customer Advice
    -

    Reports are coming in of a line-side fire in the Cholsey area emanating from a signalling structure. Currently the main (fast) lines are on stop in both directions until an inspection has been carried out.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 09, 2023, 07:54:55
    A good dozen or so stacked up either side of this.
    Some delays and cancellations pending today (and nothing to do with the bruvvers and b-b-q weather)!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2023, 08:08:56
    Except XC services with no rest day or overtime workimg.

    Journeycheck has this being problematic until 1000


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2023, 08:28:59
    A good dozen or so stacked up either side of this.
    Some delays and cancellations pending today (and nothing to do with the bruvvers and b-b-q weather)!

    Latest

    Delays to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to a fire next to the track between Didcot Parkway and Reading all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/09.

    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    Unfortunately due to a lineside fire we have had to block some lines between Didcot Parkway and Reading. Also, overhead wires have had to be switched off for safety reasons.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 09, 2023, 15:17:42
    TMI (Too much information!)
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Following a fire next to the track between Didcot Parkway and Reading all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 09/09.
    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    Unfortunately due to a lineside fire we had to block some lines between Didcot Parkway and Reading. Also, overhead wires had to be switched off for safety reasons.

    Ticket acceptance is in place with other operators which is detailed below.

    We appreciate that this will have disrupted your travel plans, especially those on Advance purchase tickets, please note that you will be able to use your ticket on a later train today.

    If you require any further assistance or information please speak to a member of Train Crew or Station Staff. Alternatively please use station help points where provided.

    More information will follow as we have it.
    -
    Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers between Oxford and London Marylebone in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Reading buses jetBlack 1: Newbury (Wharf), Thatcham (Cropper Close), Midgham, Aldermaston, Theale (The Crown), Reading (Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    South Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    West Midlands Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Stagecoach route 62: Gloucester (Bus Station), Stroud (Merrywalks), Stonehouse (Elgin Mall), Stagecoach route 63: Gloucester (Bus Station), Stroud (Merrywalks), Stagecoach route 64: Gloucester (Bus Station), Stonehouse (Elgin Mall), Stroud (Merrywalks) and Stagecoach route 65: Gloucester (Bus Station), Stonehouse (Elgin Mall), Cam, Dursley, Stroud (Merrywalks) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Cheltenham Spa and Bristol Parkway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
    Arrangements previously made with Go Cornwall Bus route 21: St Austell, St Columb Road (Co-op), Quintrell Downs (Quintrell Close), Newquay (Bus Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 25: Par (Station), St Austell (Station), Quintrell Downs, Newquay (Bus Station) to convey passengers have now been withdrawn.
    First Bus route 8: Slough (Wellington St), Windsor (Theatre Royal), Egham (Church Road) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Go Cornwall Bus route 21: St Austell, St Columb Road (Co-op), Quintrell Downs (Quintrell Close), Newquay (Bus Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 25: Par (Station), St Austell (Station), Quintrell Downs, Newquay (Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

    What caught my eye was the GoCornwall 21/25 routes.
    Reducing the above for this information (which has nothing to do with Didcot/Reading) gives me
    Arrangements previously made with Go Cornwall Bus route 21: St Austell, St Columb Road (Co-op), Quintrell Downs (Quintrell Close), Newquay (Bus Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 25: Par (Station), St Austell (Station), Quintrell Downs, Newquay (Bus Station) to convey passengers have now been withdrawn.

    Go Cornwall Bus route 21: St Austell, St Columb Road (Co-op), Quintrell Downs (Quintrell Close), Newquay (Bus Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 25: Par (Station), St Austell (Station), Quintrell Downs, Newquay (Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

    So.
    Withdrawn and are conveying until further notice.

    How to confuse the passengers...........


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on September 09, 2023, 18:08:16
    Looks to have been one of the worst days on the GWR for a long while.

    Signal gantry that caught fire this morning.
    Overheads down at Langley
    And a person struck by a train near Hayes. Whilst that was being attended to a person was struck at Southall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on September 10, 2023, 10:19:32
    Looks to have been one of the worst days on the GWR for a long while.
    ................

    Thank you for those updates.
    Appreciated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2023, 12:05:17
    Route(s) affected
    Elizabeth line between Abbey Wood and Maidenhead / Reading, and also between London Paddington and Reading

    Great Western Railway between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway / Bristol Parkway / Bristol Temple Meads / Exeter St Davids / Weston-super-Mare / Swansea / Carmarthen / Plymouth, and also between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central

    Description
    Damage to the overhead wires at Slough means some lines are disrupted. As a result, trains may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. This is expected until 13:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2023, 11:18:29
    Its September 15 - can we get to a week with no reports?  ::)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 15, 2023, 15:40:53
    Its September 15 - can we get to a week with no reports?  ::)

    Miracles have been known to happen........................but a week with no signal/points failures between Reading and Paddington?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 20, 2023, 17:43:58
    Its September 15 - can we get to a week with no reports?  ::)

    Well, they did manage a week I guess!

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Twyford and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 18:30 20/09.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 22, 2023, 08:16:35
    Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Bourne End

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Maidenhead and Bourne End the line is blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 22/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 26, 2023, 13:24:34
    Not on Journeycheck but.....

    Route(s) affected
    Between Abbey Wood / Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Heathrow Terminal 5 / Maidenhead / Reading

    Description
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Acton Main Line some lines are currently blocked. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 14:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 26, 2023, 14:39:47
    Not on Journeycheck but.....

    Route(s) affected
    Between Abbey Wood / Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Heathrow Terminal 5 / Maidenhead / Reading

    Description
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Acton Main Line some lines are currently blocked. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 14:00.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:00 26/09.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on September 26, 2023, 19:23:36
    Not on Journeycheck but.....

    Route(s) affected
    Between Abbey Wood / Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Heathrow Terminal 5 / Maidenhead / Reading

    Description
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Acton Main Line some lines are currently blocked. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 14:00.

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:00 26/09.

    "Disruption is expected until the end of the day"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 02, 2023, 12:36:33
    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 02/10


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 09, 2023, 18:00:03
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to trespassers on the railway earlier today between London Paddington and Acton Main Line trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines. Disruption is expected until 20:00 09/10.
    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed.

    Customer Advice
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on October 09, 2023, 18:07:01
    Goodness - another week gone without any disruption being listed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 09, 2023, 20:36:33
    Don’t blink. Trespassers. Delays. Does that count as infrastructure problem?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 10, 2023, 06:48:17
    Don’t blink. Trespassers. Delays. Does that count as infrastructure problem?

    Not really.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 10, 2023, 06:52:17
    Don’t blink. Trespassers. Delays. Does that count as infrastructure problem?

    Not really.

    In hindsight I would agree; misjudged decision to post on my part.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2023, 06:20:05
    From National Rail website. Local trains affected, quite a few cancellations listed.

    Route(s) affected
    Elizabeth line between Abbey Wood and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Reading, and also between Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Great Western Railway between London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa / Frome / Bristol Temple Meads / Weston-super-Mare / Hereford / Carmarthen / Paignton / Penzance

    Heathrow Express between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Description
    Lines have now reopened following a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway. Whilst service recovers, trains running between these stations may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected to continue until 07:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on October 17, 2023, 07:12:05
    I still feel putting all your eggs in one basket isn't that reliable.
    Major signalling centre panels seem to be less reliable than the local signal box.

    Or am I getting too old (a luddite).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2023, 07:39:30
    Disruption now expected until 0815


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on October 17, 2023, 08:47:42
    I still feel putting all your eggs in one basket isn't that reliable.
    Major signalling centre panels seem to be less reliable than the local signal box.

    Or am I getting too old (a luddite).

    Wouldn't failure of a box at say Ealing Broadway have had the same effect?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2023, 09:50:29
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:30 17/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on October 17, 2023, 11:13:39
    I still feel putting all your eggs in one basket isn't that reliable.
    Major signalling centre panels seem to be less reliable than the local signal box.

    Or am I getting too old (a luddite).

    Wouldn't failure of a box at say Ealing Broadway have had the same effect?
    Interesting question.

    Boxes were local, and mostly mechanical.
    Perhaps there were also more local technical people around, rather than being centralised, so a quicker response would have been available.
    I wonder what their failure rate was (boxes, not staff!).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on October 17, 2023, 12:46:00
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:30 17/10.

    Several reports on social media this morning of an assault on the train manager on the GWR Bristol to Paddington service that's routed via Bradford on Avon (reports that is from travelling public concerned for the welfare of the member of staff). Hoping the individual responsible was detained.

    The train: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75519/2023-10-17/detailed#allox_id=0

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2023, 17:05:16
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:30 17/10.

    Several reports on social media this morning of an assault on the train manager on the GWR Bristol to Paddington service that's routed via Bradford on Avon (reports that is from travelling public concerned for the welfare of the member of staff). Hoping the individual responsible was detained.

    The train: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P75519/2023-10-17/detailed#allox_id=0

    Mark

    Was there anything to suggest that this incident was related to the aforementioned signalling issue?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 18, 2023, 05:49:43
    I still feel putting all your eggs in one basket isn't that reliable.
    Major signalling centre panels seem to be less reliable than the local signal box.

    Or am I getting too old (a luddite).

    Wouldn't failure of a box at say Ealing Broadway have had the same effect?
    Interesting question.

    Boxes were local, and mostly mechanical.
    Perhaps there were also more local technical people around, rather than being centralised, so a quicker response would have been available.
    I wonder what their failure rate was (boxes, not staff!).
    After Oxford, it's all individual signal boxes on the Cotswold line - at Ascott, Moreton, Evesham, Norton Junction, Worcester Shrub Hill, Henwick, Newland East, Malvern Wells, Ledbury and Hereford. It's difficult to tell whether they're more reliable - they cover a smaller area and so have fewer points and signals to go wrong by comparison with an area-wide centre. What is an issue is that there's nine signallers (ignoring Hereford) whereas there'd probably be one in an area centre.

    And that leads to some different problems - on Sunday evening there were no trains between Great Malvern and Hereford because the Ledbury signaller had been taken ill.  That had knock-on effects on Monday morning - there's one train that should overnight at Hereford which had to be stabled at Shrub Hill instead.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 18, 2023, 17:58:20
    .....Nice evening for it...... ::)

    Route(s) affected
    Trains between Abbey Wood and Heathrow Temrinal 4 / Maidenhead / Reading, and between Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 4, and between London Paddington / Shenfield and Heathrow Terminal 5

    Description
    Failure of the electricity supply between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington means some lines are blocked. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised. This is expected until 19:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 18, 2023, 18:48:24
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and Southall the London Paddington bound high speed line is closed. Disruption is expected until 21:00 18/10.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled, delayed or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 20, 2023, 20:55:03

    From National Rail - been ongoing for several hours.

    Route(s) affected
    Between Abbey Wood and Heathrow Terminal 4 / Heathrow Terminal 5 / Maidenhead / Reading, and also between Shenfield and London Paddington / Heathrow Terminal 5

    Description
    Lines have now reopened following an earlier points failure between Acton Mainline and Ealing Broadway.

    As service recovers, trains running between these stations may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 35 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 21:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2023, 09:02:53
    Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead

    Due to a points failure between Twyford and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running through these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:15 23/10.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 23, 2023, 10:20:02
    Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead

    Due to a points failure between Twyford and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running through these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:15 23/10.


    Disruption now expected until 1100


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 30, 2023, 19:49:23
    Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Impact:
    Train services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End may be terminated at and started back from Bourne End. Marlow will not be served.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on October 30, 2023, 21:30:57
    Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Impact:
    Train services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End may be terminated at and started back from Bourne End. Marlow will not be served.

    Oh dear, I'm about to show my ignorance of these technical matters, but how many lines are there between Marlow and Bourne End - just one, I believe - and couldn't a driver - who would surely be familiar with the route - take a train along it slowly?

    (I'm about to go to bed and next time I visit the Coffee Shop half-expect to see some "patient" explanations why not!)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on October 31, 2023, 06:24:17

    Oh dear, I'm about to show my ignorance of these technical matters, but how many lines are there between Marlow and Bourne End - just one, I believe - and couldn't a driver - who would surely be familiar with the route - take a train along it slowly?

    (I'm about to go to bed and next time I visit the Coffee Shop half-expect to see some "patient" explanations why not!)

    I think someone feeding JouneyCheck has been reading you

    Quote
    Can you tell me more about the incident?
    Due to an issue with the signalling equipment at Bourne End, we are currently unable to run trains to and from Marlow, meaning trains from Maidenhead will terminate at Bourne End.

    More information will follow as we have it.

    What are my alternatives?
    We appreciate that this will have disrupted your travel plans, especially those on Advance purchase tickets, please note that you will be able to use your ticket on a later train today.


    To assist you with your journey:

    Road transport has been sourced to meet the trains at Bourne End for customers to complete their journey.
    At Marlow, road transport has been arranged to depart for Bourne End at the same time as the train would have departed.

    If you require any further assistance or information please speak to a member of Train Crew or Station Staff. Alternatively please use station help points where provided.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on October 31, 2023, 14:41:20

    ... how many lines are there between Marlow and Bourne End - just one, I believe - and couldn't a driver ...

    One donkey in steam as it were. Or hay. Or something.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on October 31, 2023, 16:56:11
    From National Rail

    Route(s) affected
    Between Abbey Wood and Maidenhead / Reading

    Description
    Lines have reopened following a fault with the signalling system between Southall and West Drayton. As service recovers, Elizabeth line services running between London Paddington and Slough in this direction may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes.

    Disruption is expected until 17:30.

    Effect on service:

    Services between Abbey Wood and Maidenhead may be cancelled

    Services between Abbey Wood and Reading will additionally call at Iver


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on October 31, 2023, 18:29:09
    Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Impact:
    Train services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End may be terminated at and started back from Bourne End. Marlow will not be served.

    Oh dear, I'm about to show my ignorance of these technical matters, but how many lines are there between Marlow and Bourne End - just one, I believe - and couldn't a driver - who would surely be familiar with the route - take a train along it slowly?

    (I'm about to go to bed and next time I visit the Coffee Shop half-expect to see some "patient" explanations why not!)

    There are 2 lines,

    Maidenhead - Bourne End which operates under Token Block

    Bourne End - Marlow which operates one "engine in steam"  this service is effectively locked in when the token is out for the Maidenhead - Bourne End line.

    A problem with the Token system or the signalling and points at Bourne End means the Marlow service gets capped


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 01, 2023, 07:20:49
    From GWR Twitter

    Due to a points failure between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 01/11

    Train services between Maidenhead and Marlow via Bourne End may be terminated at and started back from Bourne End. Marlow will not be served


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 02, 2023, 18:10:24
    Unreported on JourneyCheck today, but a points failure at Slough meant that down trains had to weave onto the relief lines and back again. My train, the 13:50 Paddington - Great Malvern, lost 12 minutes as a result of this. And ended up being cancelled after Shrub Hill (though they only told the TM about this as we arrived at Shrub Hill).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2023, 09:06:37
    Slough yesterday, West Drayton (apparently) today.

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington bound high speed are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 03/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2023, 12:57:15
    Slough yesterday, West Drayton (apparently) today.

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington bound high speed are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 03/11.

    Disruption now ongoing until 3pm


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2023, 16:41:37
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 18:00 03/11.

    Customer Advice
    -
    Owing to a fault with the signalling system in the Hayes and Harlington area which is forcing all rail traffic to share fewer lines than usual, a contingency plan has been implemented to help thin-out the traffic going into London Paddington.
    -
    The following alterations to our services apply:
    - Local Didcot Parkway - London Paddington services will operate between Didcot Parkway and Reading only.
    - Newbury to London Paddington services will operate between Newbury and Reading only.
    - Some Oxford to London Paddington and Cardiff Central to London Paddington services will be cancelled. Please note the longer distance Hereford/Worcester to London Paddington and Carmarthen/Swansea to London Paddington services will run as per timetable.
    - All other long-distance services between London and Cheltenham / Bristol Temple Meads / Plymouth / Penzance will continue to run as normal.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 03, 2023, 16:54:22
    The Open Trains Times map for the PAD area is currently showing Line 2 as blocked with an indication of 'WET BED' whatever that means?  ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2023, 17:08:11
    The Open Trains Times map for the PAD area is currently showing Line 2 as blocked with an indication of 'WET BED' whatever that means?  ???

    Doesn't bode well for tonight's sleeper.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 03, 2023, 19:50:49
    The disruption which was expected to end at 10 am is now expected to go on until 10pm.

    Paddington apparently "chaotic"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 04, 2023, 07:57:56
    The Open Trains Times map for the PAD area is currently showing Line 2 as blocked with an indication of 'WET BED' whatever that means?  ???

    A "wet bed" is where ballast foundation ie the track bed under cribs for the sleepers becomes saturated , gets contaminated with the soil.  Basically a section of track looses its structural integrity, wet beds cause rough riding, cause sleepers and fasting's to fail, cause rail defects untimely lead to a derailment


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 07, 2023, 13:43:26
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 14:30 07/11.
    Train services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading may be cancelled or delayed


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on November 07, 2023, 15:24:31
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 14:30 07/11.
    Train services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading may be cancelled or delayed

    Now extended to 1730


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 07, 2023, 16:45:00
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 14:30 07/11.
    Train services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading may be cancelled or delayed

    Now extended to 1730

    2030 now according to National Rail, and there's also a points failure at Acton to add to the fun.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on November 07, 2023, 19:49:04
    I was surprised to learn that a tree falling on the overhead wiring at Goring initially took out the power all the way from Maidenhead to Didcot Parkway and Newbury.    Presumably that is down to the way the current is fed.  Just seems a very wide area to be affected, and on two different routes, by one incident.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 07, 2023, 21:00:10
    That’s the area covered by that particular live section.  ElectricTrain can hopefully give the details?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on November 07, 2023, 22:47:47
    I was surprised to learn that a tree falling on the overhead wiring at Goring initially took out the power all the way from Maidenhead to Didcot Parkway and Newbury.    Presumably that is down to the way the current is fed.  Just seems a very wide area to be affected, and on two different routes, by one incident.

    The power feed stations are at Didcot and Kensal Green - the extra feed from Bramley to Reading is due on line next year. Switching is possible at Maidenhead and Reading, so the outage could be limited to Didcot-Reading. For some reason it appears that didn't happen - possibly there was not enough power available from Kensal, which has to power the Crossrail core too. I'm sure this is the kind of situation the Bramley feeder was meant to help with.

    Coincidentally, today the contractors working on the railway's substation at Bramley (Enable Power Systems and Enable Infrastructure, formerly known as BCM) put out a news item and video (https://www.enable-infrastructure.com/landmark-progress-on-the-reading-independent-feeder-project/). The 25-0-25 kV cable from the Bramley grid substation goes to an ATFS by the railway at a site called Holly Cross, and from there the "low level" feeder runs along the railway to Reading SATS/ATFS. At first sight it's odd there has to be a substation with loads of switchgear at this point, but there is - maybe it is still being built (as if) to power an electrified Reading-Basingstoke line, though no real plan for that exists.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 08, 2023, 07:17:05
    That’s the area covered by that particular live section.  ElectricTrain can hopefully give the details?

    This is the flaw in the GW Electrification, the original risk assessment would have taken such events into account.  However the major flaw is Reading Depot loosing all power during Isolations Kensal Green / Maidenhead and Didcot / Maidenhead  this has made it very difficult to plan in 2 sets of work requiring isolations between Paddington and Didcot; this will become very acute over the next few years with the all line blocks at Old Oak Common to construct the GWML HS2 station

    Stuving sums it up, I suspect the commissioning and live system testing may be happening over Christmas.  Holly Cross was originally part of the "Freight Spine" that would have seen 25kV electrification from Southampton to the Midlands including EWR, the reason for retaining it as in feed point is purely down to a 400kV Grid location, there is nothing in the Reading area with the capacity required and be future proof

    The are a few challenges of electrifying Reading / Basingstoke the local train service is just not sufficient to justify the cost, it would need the Cross Country and Freight to be able to go North of Didcot (Oxford if Didcot to Oxford electrification gets complete) and the AC/DC interface at Basingstoke is not a small piece of work.

    I was surprised to learn that a tree falling on the overhead wiring at Goring initially took out the power all the way from Maidenhead to Didcot Parkway and Newbury.    Presumably that is down to the way the current is fed.  Just seems a very wide area to be affected, and on two different routes, by one incident.

    The power feed stations are at Didcot and Kensal Green - the extra feed from Bramley to Reading is due on line next year. Switching is possible at Maidenhead and Reading, so the outage could be limited to Didcot-Reading. For some reason it appears that didn't happen - possibly there was not enough power available from Kensal, which has to power the Crossrail core too. I'm sure this is the kind of situation the Bramley feeder was meant to help with.

    Coincidentally, today the contractors working on the railway's substation at Bramley (Enable Power Systems and Enable Infrastructure, formerly known as BCM) put out a news item and video (https://www.enable-infrastructure.com/landmark-progress-on-the-reading-independent-feeder-project/). The 25-0-25 kV cable from the Bramley grid substation goes to an ATFS by the railway at a site called Holly Cross, and from there the "low level" feeder runs along the railway to Reading SATS/ATFS. At first sight it's odd there has to be a substation with loads of switchgear at this point, but there is - maybe it is still being built (as if) to power an electrified Reading-Basingstoke line, though no real plan for that exists.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 16, 2023, 20:23:38
    Delays to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Slough the line towards London Paddington bound high speed is closed.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:45 16/11.

    Customer Advice
    In addition on the High Speed Line towards Reading, trains have to run at reduced speed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 21, 2023, 16:40:34
    ......should make for an interesting rush hour.....

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a broken rail at Iver fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop.

    Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on November 21, 2023, 20:16:10
    ......should make for an interesting rush hour.....

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a broken rail at Iver fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop.

    Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served.


    Having seen pictures of the broken rail….. well, it’s frightening.

    They have been extremely lucky.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2023, 10:27:42
    .....and again......

    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 11:00 23/11.
    Customer Advice
    -

    Apologies to customers travelling between Reading and London Paddington this morning.

    -

    We've received reports of two track defects in the Twyford and Burnham areas. As such, services using the fast line TOWARDS London Paddington are required to be cautioned through the two affected areas at a slower speed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 24, 2023, 15:22:44
    ............it's not been a good week.

    Delays to services between Reading and Slough
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 24/11.

    Customer Advice


    Apologies to customers travelling between Reading and Slough this afternoon.

    One of our drivers have reported a rough ride between Reading and Slough on the fast line to London Paddington. As such, a 20mph speed restriction must be imposed until Network Rail track staff attend and inspect. There is no estimated time for this at present.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 24, 2023, 20:54:25
    ............it's not been a good week.

    Delays to services between Reading and Slough
    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington bound high speed.
    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 24/11.

    Customer Advice


    Apologies to customers travelling between Reading and Slough this afternoon.

    One of our drivers have reported a rough ride between Reading and Slough on the fast line to London Paddington. As such, a 20mph speed restriction must be imposed until Network Rail track staff attend and inspect. There is no estimated time for this at present.

    Delays now forecast until 11pm


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2023, 07:07:29
    Virtually every.......single.......day.

    What has happened to the infrastructure between Paddington & Reading? Does anyone know if it's being addressed?

    Delays to services at Slough

    Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running through this station may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.






    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 25, 2023, 07:36:19
    Virtually every.......single.......day.

    Yes, and talking with people in control they'll confirm that rarely a day goes by without *something* happening.  How much of this is a new situation, and how much is because we hear about it through modern communications?  And how much relates to the centralisation of activities - whereas you'll have reportable ongoing incidents daily at Swindon and via Didcot these days, were there the same number of incidents in the past just that they did not get wide visibility and went largely unnoticed by the signalman at Hullavington or Maiden Newton or Southall Goods Junction?

    Things also seem to take far longer to fix - so appear more disruptive.  Is that because they really take longer by the time that specialists and specialist spares are brought in and modern health and safety considerations are taken into account, or because our electronic world spins faster and we feel the time taken more intensely?



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on November 25, 2023, 08:02:00

    Things also seem to take far longer to fix - so appear more disruptive.  Is that because they really take longer by the time that specialists and specialist spares are brought in and modern health and safety considerations are taken into account, or because our electronic world spins faster and we feel the time taken more intensely?


    All due (in my non railway view) to H&S with line blocks.
    That track is now surely more intensively utilised with the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express services, so scant time for repairs these days.  Increased freight usage as well?
    Lack of experienced local maintenance crews, all being centralised.
    Ageing track and overheads both needing a modern replacement.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 25, 2023, 11:42:39
    ........and another one.....


    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the London Paddington bound high speed line.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on November 26, 2023, 08:36:33
    And to add to the "excitement"complete power failure at Reading Station about midday; no tickets, barriers open, no passenger information. Apparently longer queue to buy tickets at Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 26, 2023, 12:42:51
    Photos turned up on x twitter of a broken rail (or two??) (and more) on GWML infrastructure.

    https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728713418096689321 (https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728713418096689321)

    ... with a reference down thread to the redundancy of high output track renewal outfits from April 2024.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 26, 2023, 14:05:17
    Photos turned up on x twitter of a broken rail (or two??) (and more) on GWML infrastructure.

    https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728713418096689321 (https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728713418096689321)

    ... with a reference down thread to the redundancy of high output track renewal outfits from April 2024.

    Mark

    That is frankly frightening and as has been posted here and elsewhere GWR/NR have been extremely lucky that so far there haven't been worse consequences.....to say nothing of the customers.

    Surely H & S should be all over this?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 26, 2023, 14:11:21
    No details or provenance to the two separate photos, mind...

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 26, 2023, 21:31:15
    Bad news for tomorrow morning:

    Disruption to Great Western Railway services between Reading and London Paddington expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November

    Urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington means some lines will be blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November.

    Customer Advice:

    A Track Circuit Failure means some lines between Reading and London Paddington will be blocked on Monday 27 November.

    Ticket acceptance is in place with the following train operators:

    Chiltern Railways from Oxford to London Marylebone. 

    London Underground from London Marylebone and London Waterloo to London Paddington.

    South Western Railway from Reading to London Waterloo.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2023, 05:00:29
    Bad news for tomorrow morning:

    Disruption to Great Western Railway services between Reading and London Paddington expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November

    Urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington means some lines will be blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November.

    Customer Advice:

    A Track Circuit Failure means some lines between Reading and London Paddington will be blocked on Monday 27 November.

    Ticket acceptance is in place with the following train operators:

    Chiltern Railways from Oxford to London Marylebone. 

    London Underground from London Marylebone and London Waterloo to London Paddington.

    South Western Railway from Reading to London Waterloo.



    Something of an update - interesting mixed message on timings but "blocked until further notice" doesn't bode well.

    Given that this is virtually a daily event these days on one of the busiest rail corridors in the country, I wonder if at some point Hopwood/GWR will make some sort of statement to their customers as to what's to be done about the situation and what sort of a service they can expect going forward?

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington some lines will be blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/11.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a urgent track repairs some lines between Reading and London Paddington are blocked until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 27, 2023, 09:25:16
    Bad news for tomorrow morning:

    Disruption to Great Western Railway services between Reading and London Paddington expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November

    Urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington means some lines will be blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November.

    Customer Advice:

    A Track Circuit Failure means some lines between Reading and London Paddington will be blocked on Monday 27 November.

    Ticket acceptance is in place with the following train operators:

    Chiltern Railways from Oxford to London Marylebone. 

    London Underground from London Marylebone and London Waterloo to London Paddington.

    South Western Railway from Reading to London Waterloo.



    Also, this photo. That presumably given the opportunity might be capable of causing a track circuit failure.

    Mark

    https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728793727118807397 (https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728793727118807397)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2023, 10:11:52
    Virtually every.......single.......day.

    What has happened to the infrastructure between Paddington & Reading? Does anyone know if it's being addressed?

    It's a bit of a shame, but the number of industry insiders posting on here has dwindled away over the years.  Several reasons for that, but there seems to be only really 'Electric Train' and myself left now, plus the odd post from 'a-driver'.  After over 15 years of posting on here, my own enthusiasm for answering questions is dwinding, especially when I consider how many people are likely to read it against the time involved in researching the detail and writing a reply.

    Regarding your question above, it might be worth asking GWR/NR directly.  Or you could try signing up to railforums where there is a more even balance between those that work in the industry and enthusiasts/interested members of the public?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 27, 2023, 10:24:40
    It's a bit of a shame, but the number of industry insiders posting on here has dwindled away over the years ...

    Personal message sent, and I am noting this in a moderator's thread.  Your inputs and others from the industry ARE hugely appreciated and perhaps that's not said enough ... and we do still have a substantive number of none-member reads of public posts. I suspect you're read a lot more than you think but, yes, this all takes time.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on November 27, 2023, 11:32:03

    It's a bit of a shame, but the number of industry insiders posting on here has dwindled away over the years.  Several reasons for that, but there seems to be only really 'Electric Train' and myself left now, plus the odd post from 'a-driver'.  After over 15 years of posting on here, my own enthusiasm for answering questions is dwinding, especially when I consider how many people are likely to read it against the time involved in researching the detail and writing a reply.


    As a non railway person, I have always appreciated the more technical replies from 'the workers'!
    Thank you so much to all the "insiders" for their time and effort - greatly appreciated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on November 27, 2023, 15:08:06

    As a non railway person, I have always appreciated the more technical replies from 'the workers'!
    Thank you so much to all the "insiders" for their time and effort - greatly appreciated.

    Not forgetting the occasional post from Ollie who changed hats within GWR/FGW.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 27, 2023, 15:53:06
    Paul Clifton via Twitter: he's prepared something on the broken rails issue for TV tonight, presumably on the local news.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2023, 17:53:01
    Not forgetting the occasional post from Ollie who changed hats within GWR/FGW.

    Yes, it’s a shame we don’t hear much from Ollie these days.  SandTengineer, Incider and several others appear to have been lost for good.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2023, 17:53:59
    Not forgetting the occasional post from Ollie who changed hats within GWR/FGW.

    Yes, it’s a shame we don’t hear much from Ollie these days.  SandTengineer, Incider and several others appear to have been lost for good.

    Always appreciate your own objective input II.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 28, 2023, 07:17:32
    Bad news for tomorrow morning:

    Disruption to Great Western Railway services between Reading and London Paddington expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November

    Urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington means some lines will be blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.

    Disruption is expected until 10:00 on Monday 27 November.

    Customer Advice:

    A Track Circuit Failure means some lines between Reading and London Paddington will be blocked on Monday 27 November.

    Ticket acceptance is in place with the following train operators:

    Chiltern Railways from Oxford to London Marylebone. 

    London Underground from London Marylebone and London Waterloo to London Paddington.

    South Western Railway from Reading to London Waterloo.



    Also, this photo. That presumably given the opportunity might be capable of causing a track circuit failure.

    Mark

    https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728793727118807397 (https://twitter.com/littl_eengine/status/1728793727118807397)

    The GWML no longer uses track circuits on plain line, track circuits have been replaced with axel counters.

    The argument / risk assessment is the removal of rail joints such as IBJ (insulated block joints) in CWR reduces greatly the likelihood of rail fractures that track circuits might have detected; reliance on regular runs of the NMT ('new' measurement train, sometimes referred to as the flying banana) and other track recording trains. 
    There is a lot of real-time data processing and the information is sent direct to the track maintenance engineer (TME) team for the section, they will then prioritise the teams to respond.  The defects are coded which dictate the priority of access the TME responds to and NR Route Control has to provide.
    The response maybe an requesting the signaller to slow trains by signals until an ESR (emergency speed restriction) can be setup, until a team and equipment can be deployed.

    Access to track by teams is now greatly reduced by the "Trackworker Safety Scheme" this has removed the use of "lookouts" certainly at full line speed, line blocks are now required to access and even  in most places walk across open lines, this process was imposed on NR by the ORR due to the number of fatalities of track workers and number of reported near misses by train drivers


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 28, 2023, 09:58:06
    Access to track by teams is now greatly reduced by the "Trackworker Safety Scheme" this has removed the use of "lookouts" certainly at full line speed, line blocks are now required to access and even  in most places walk across open lines, this process was imposed on NR by the ORR due to the number of fatalities of track workers and number of reported near misses by train drivers

    A change just about to be enforced means if a mobile phone is dropped onto the track, instead of a PTS member of staff being able to retrieve it with litter pickers (whilst remaining on the platform), they will have to obtain a full line block first.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 28, 2023, 10:03:31
    That really needs advertising to the public, with reasons for the change by ORR.

    Basically, you can wave goodbye to your phone, as the earliest it might be retrieved is overnight, and then you would need to prove ownership in order to collect it. Do you know your phone's EMEI number?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 28, 2023, 10:26:14
    I expect you won’t wave goodbye to it, it will just take longer to retrieve whilst a line block is put in place - which might persuade some owners to leap down and get their precious item themselves (as they do now at any unstaffed station of course).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2023, 06:35:12
    Wow! Really doing it in style today!  ::)



    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    -
    An inspection of the lines in the Hayes & Harlington area has revealed a defect in a rail of a set of points used to transfer trains from one track to another.
    -
    As a result we will have to reduce the number of train movements through the area. This will mean that local train services between London Paddington and Newbury will only operate between Reading and Newbury, in both directions. Customers travelling to / from Newbury, Thatcham & Theale from / to London Paddington will need (in most cases) to change trains at Reading.
    -
    In addition, local train services which would normally operate between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway, and return, will only operate between Reading and Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to / from Didcot Parkway## / Cholsey / Goring & Streatley / Pangbourne / Tilehurst from / to London Paddington (and intermediate stations between London Paddington and Reading) will need to change trains at Reading. # = Didcot Parkway will continue to have Main Line services running to / from London Paddington.
    -
    Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough stations will see a considerable reduction in the frequency of train services and GWR ticket holders should utilise Elizabeth Line services instead where no GWR services are available. Note that at London Paddington the Elizabeth Line services operate to and from platforms A & B which are accessed through the entrances alongside platform 1 of the main terminus.
    -
    Please accept our apologies for any delay to your journey as a result of this issue.
    -


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 29, 2023, 07:00:11
    Wow! Really doing it in style today!  ::)

    Indeed - "here we go ... again". A subject that was greatly covered at yesterday evening's Stakeholder meeting (see separate thread).   There IS a contingency plan in place but "it should only be used very rarely and not several times a week" say GWR.

    Graphics they presented show that the majority of reliability issues are down to Network Rail (but, really, what difference does it make to Joe Bloggs if his train is not running - rolling stock cracked, broken rail, no driver if he can't make his journey).  For Henley Branch passengers, Mark Hopwood agreed in public that passengers for London may double back via Reading at times of disruption (an easement of type MD - thank you Mark). 

    Apperently, Network Rail are on a poor performance escalator from the ORR and must to better, or there will be further sanctions on them.  I do not understand (perhaps a specialist could?) how these sanctions will actually improve the situation rather than just make it harder to get the job done.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on November 29, 2023, 07:57:15
    To be fair this morning the effect was limited. Instead of getting the 6.26am from Twyford I got the Elizabeth line at 6.21am and got to town by 7.20am. The proactive cancellation of the GWR trains I suppose has improved reliability for the Lizzie line?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on November 29, 2023, 09:57:38
    It's been fortunate that the broken rails that have caused so much disruption on the Paddington services of late have been detected and acted upon.  Safety should not depend on good fortune, however


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on November 29, 2023, 10:43:53
    ..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Henry on November 29, 2023, 10:49:12
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67547092


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2023, 11:00:05
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67547092

    I think this is the real issue now and it's a question I've seen on other forums and elsewhere. 4 incidents in 10 days and the question is moving from whether the railway in this area is at all reliable to "is it safe?"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2023, 11:28:51
    That article followed Paul Clifton's TV piece on Tuesday(?), rather than after today's cracked points.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on November 29, 2023, 15:03:22
    iThe Office of Rail and Road (ORR) has today launched an investigation into poor train punctuality and reliability in the Network Rail Wales & Western region.

    https://www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/rail-regulator-launches-investigation-wales-western-train-performance


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 29, 2023, 16:03:22
    Quote
    Based on its investigation, ORR will determine whether or not there is more that Network Rail could be doing and may decide on appropriate measures, which could include enforcement action.

    Not looking to second guess what the ORR determines, but should it conclude that Network Rail is trying to send too many trains through too few lines, could the solution be to tell Network Rail to put in, for example, a track alongside platform 0 at Westbury or a loop to let out-of-path freight trains be passed / overtaken on single lines. Yeah, one lives in hope of proper solutions ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 29, 2023, 16:46:19
    Quote
    Based on its investigation, ORR will determine whether or not there is more that Network Rail could be doing and may decide on appropriate measures, which could include enforcement action.

    Not looking to second guess what the ORR determines, but should it conclude that Network Rail is trying to send too many trains through too few lines, could the solution be to tell Network Rail to put in, for example, a track alongside platform 0 at Westbury or a loop to let out-of-path freight trains be passed / overtaken on single lines. Yeah, one lives in hope of proper solutions ...

    I think most people are living in hope of proper maintenance that keeps the trains running and the customers safe, at least as a starting point?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on November 29, 2023, 22:59:30
    Quote
    Based on its investigation, ORR will determine whether or not there is more that Network Rail could be doing and may decide on appropriate measures, which could include enforcement action.

    Not looking to second guess what the ORR determines, but should it conclude that Network Rail is trying to send too many trains through too few lines, could the solution be to tell Network Rail to put in, for example, a track alongside platform 0 at Westbury or a loop to let out-of-path freight trains be passed / overtaken on single lines. Yeah, one lives in hope of proper solutions ...

    The danger is they get told to merely run less trains?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on November 29, 2023, 23:41:43
    Quote
    Based on its investigation, ORR will determine whether or not there is more that Network Rail could be doing and may decide on appropriate measures, which could include enforcement action.

    Not looking to second guess what the ORR determines, but should it conclude that Network Rail is trying to send too many trains through too few lines, could the solution be to tell Network Rail to put in, for example, a track alongside platform 0 at Westbury or a loop to let out-of-path freight trains be passed / overtaken on single lines. Yeah, one lives in hope of proper solutions ...

    The danger is they get told to merely run less trains?

    Yes, I know - that thought concerns me. I have spent the evening in the audience at Dan Okey's talk to WWRUG and listening to vocal members of the audience  complaining about overcrowding as it is.  And at times, the audience is certainly right, the supply of enough trains of enough carriages on them in inadequate.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on November 30, 2023, 06:32:09
    Quote
    Based on its investigation, ORR will determine whether or not there is more that Network Rail could be doing and may decide on appropriate measures, which could include enforcement action.

    Not looking to second guess what the ORR determines, but should it conclude that Network Rail is trying to send too many trains through too few lines, could the solution be to tell Network Rail to put in, for example, a track alongside platform 0 at Westbury or a loop to let out-of-path freight trains be passed / overtaken on single lines. Yeah, one lives in hope of proper solutions ...

    The danger is they get told to merely run less trains?

    It is not as easy to say Network Rail just run less trains, the DfT through its contract with the ToC set the service level which the ORR regulate, the only way to run less trains is through a timetable change which the DfT, ORR and TOC's all have an input, if the TOC sees a reduction in revenue they will want compensation.   

    NR often request "disruptive" access from the ToC's the TOC's can decline this.  I wonder what additional access has been requested to carryout the repairs to this recent broken rail, the other aspect effecting the repair could be the cold weather


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 30, 2023, 07:02:42
    Continuing all day today, with repairs apparently being undertaken tonight.

    BBC London just ran a story on it reporting 4 similar incidents in 8 days and showing pictures of the broken rails.

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on November 30, 2023, 08:23:41
    Continuing all day today, with repairs apparently being undertaken tonight.

    BBC London just ran a story on it reporting 4 similar incidents in 8 days and showing pictures of the broken rails.

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    And just to add to the ongoing fun & games, now this......

    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 30/11.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on November 30, 2023, 10:49:32
    Continuing all day today, with repairs apparently being undertaken tonight.

    BBC London just ran a story on it reporting 4 similar incidents in 8 days and showing pictures of the broken rails.

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    And just to add to the ongoing fun & games, now this......

    Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 30/11.

    It looks like there was some sort of issue between EAL and PAD, e.g. the 07:16 EL service from MAI took 75 minutes to travel between those two stations:

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L79515/2023-11-30/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L79515/2023-11-30/detailed)

    EDIT: I've just seen this blog post from IanVisits, the delays were due to a broken down train at PAD:

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/observances-of-the-elizabeth-line-problems-this-morning-67829/ (https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/observances-of-the-elizabeth-line-problems-this-morning-67829/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on November 30, 2023, 11:09:51
    A blog from IansVisits on the issues with the Elizabeth Line this morning, which bit Woolwich quite badly. A cogent observation that there was suppressed demand for travel there, now met by the new line, but when that stalls, the legacy transport systems  - the DLR and South Eastern Railways, struggle. Probably not helped by South Eastern run in a lackluster way under the command of the DfT who rather than continue to build their own market, saw the opening of the Elizabeth line as an opportunity to cut services and alter service patterns to break through routes.

    Mark

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/observances-of-the-elizabeth-line-problems-this-morning-67829/ (https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/observances-of-the-elizabeth-line-problems-this-morning-67829/)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 01, 2023, 11:58:00
    Another day, another failure......

    A fault with the signalling system at Iver means some lines from London Paddington towards Reading are currently blocked.

    As a result, Elizabeth line services that run between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised.

    Disruption is expected until 13:00.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on December 01, 2023, 16:48:43
    Quote
    Delays to services between Maidenhead and Twyford

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between Maidenhead and Twyford trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Twyford.

    Train services running through these stations will be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Last Updated:01/12/2023 16:36

    Fortunately there are a number of cancellations which will help thin out the service...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2023, 21:02:08
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey today.



    One of our trains has struck an obstruction on the line causing damage to the OLE.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on December 07, 2023, 21:05:07
    Looks like nothing moving from Paddington to Slough. A sorry end to the week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 07, 2023, 21:08:36
    Looks like nothing moving from Paddington to Slough. A sorry end to the week.

    Stranded trains being evacuated by the emergency services outside Paddington & Reading according to GWR Twitter feed.

    Far more detailed information on the National Rail website. Problems expected until 0900 tomorrow.

    https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/london-paddington-20231207/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 07, 2023, 22:37:31
    Looks like nothing moving from Paddington to Slough. A sorry end to the week.

    Stranded trains being evacuated by the emergency services outside Paddington & Reading according to GWR Twitter feed.

    Far more detailed information on the National Rail website. Problems expected until 0900 tomorrow.

    https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/london-paddington-20231207/

    Screenshot from X attached:

    https://twitter.com/Charles83230639/status/1732888947221479921 (https://twitter.com/Charles83230639/status/1732888947221479921)  :-[


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2023, 06:45:27
    Disruption to continue all morning


    I wonder if this latest chaotic incident will be enough to finally catalyse action on the infrastructure between Reading and Paddington which seems utterly decrepit & unfit for purpose based on months of regular failures, before one leads to a tragedy.

    BBC News - Passengers stuck for hours on Elizabeth Line after cables damaged
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67655656


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 08, 2023, 06:55:59
    Sorry, but, ooooooozzzz gonnna pay for it!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on December 08, 2023, 07:03:24
    Possible addition to the daily woes. Major water main burst on Bath Road in Reading, between Castle Hill and Southcote roundabout. Flooding beyond the railway bridge so don't know if it will be affecting the line between Reading West and Southcote junction. This is likely to be one of the two major pipes that feed Reading from the west, so they wont fix this quickly, don't know if we are going to end up on bottled water. It has made it onto AA Roadwatch but not One.network.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 08, 2023, 07:08:36
    Sorry, but, ooooooozzzz gonnna pay for it!

    Passengers obviously claim from their train operator; as for which of the rail companies pockets settles with the other companies it gets complex.  

    There is a process of investigations, the *Pancam recordings and Pantograph sensor data will be submitted from the trains operating in the area to the investigation panel, the panel is made up of representatives from NR,TOC's etc.  The process is not quick.

    * Pancam, there is a camera mounted in the pantograph well on all modern trains which constantly records footage of the pan head,  you may have noticed the OLE being illuminated where the pan is.   The recordings are made available to NR for us as part of maintenance inspections


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 08, 2023, 07:29:30
    'Another passenger described how fellow passengers were being let off their train "one by one to urinate".'

    Were I still travelling to London, being stuck on a train and needing to urinate would be one of my fears, especially at my age! In the 2010s after an early evening out, I would make a point of weeing before I boarded a train at Liverpool Street and sometimes was "relieved" to get to Paddington and its facilities.

    As an outdoor type, doing long walks and environmental tasks, I'm used to improvising, and a boarding-school education (no doors on toilet cubicles!) has left me less inhibited than many, but even so I would feel a little self-conscious in the situation described in the article. Who among the passengers would be the first to declare a "pressing need"? With there being no toilets on Elizabeth trains, staff training presumably includes the need to be aware of passengers' discomfort.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 08, 2023, 07:51:15
    'Another passenger described how fellow passengers were being let off their train "one by one to urinate".'

    Were I still travelling to London, being stuck on a train and needing to urinate would be one of my fears, especially at my age! In the 2010s after an early evening out, I would make a point of weeing before I boarded a train at Liverpool Street and sometimes was "relieved" to get to Paddington and its facilities.

    As an outdoor type, doing long walks and environmental tasks, I'm used to improvising, and a boarding-school education (no doors on toilet cubicles!) has left me less inhibited than many, but even so I would feel a little self-conscious in the situation described in the article. Who among the passengers would be the first to declare a "pressing need"? With there being no toilets on Elizabeth trains, staff training presumably includes the need to be aware of passengers' discomfort.
    This was the concern raised about these trains…no toilets!
    Yesterday we learned of a man taking a wee in a lay-by being fined for littering:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67615231
    Hello??? We’re humans and we all at some point need to pee! Sometimes the call of nature cannot wait. And if there isn’t a facility in which to do it, eventually improvisation is going to have to happen.

    I feel for all those who were stuck on trains last night and don’t blame those after four hours decided enough was enough and self evacuated. Another shameful night on our railways.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 08, 2023, 08:27:56
    Bad news for someone is good news for another.
    Freight trains running without having to be stopped/diverted, etc!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on December 08, 2023, 13:04:29
    The whole incident last night demonstrates why the railway needs to be properly staffed, and the need for a guard to be on every train. You’re putting one staff member in charge of potentially 1000 passengers welfare and safety whilst also looking after the train itself.
    One lone driver will not be able to safely evacuate a train on their own and considering there were around 10 stranded trains it takes a lot of resource to evacuate them, and it’s not a swift process.. You also have the added complication of 25kV of overhead cables on the ground, that’s enough to give more than a tickle if you were to come into contact with it.
    At the end of the day, with limited resources, you have to make a choice. Focus on freeing the damaged train so you can get things moving which enables train to train evacuations or simply go straight to evacuating everyone to ballast which is a very long and resource intensive process with substantially more risk.

    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 08, 2023, 13:44:35
    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!

    Hear! Hear!

    (https://i.gifer.com/UJr.gif)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 08, 2023, 16:50:14


    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!

    A radical suggestion perhaps, but worth a go!  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on December 08, 2023, 21:52:55
    Why would you do that when no one travels by train?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 08, 2023, 22:06:17

    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
    Assuming in this instance the fixed infrastructure was at fault!

    Perhaps the other side of the coin is ............. ensure the rolling stock is maintained correctly


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 09, 2023, 01:02:12
    Some folk were lucky. They had the beautiful Rachel Riley for company.

    Others less so. They had James Blunt. Fortunately he didn't have his guitar with him.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on December 09, 2023, 03:50:35
    Some folk were lucky. They had the beautiful Rachel Riley for company.

    Others less so. They had James Blunt. Fortunately he didn't have his guitar with him.

    That would give potential for an A Cappella performance, to some that may be even worse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 09, 2023, 07:21:03

    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
    Assuming in this instance the fixed infrastructure was at fault!

    Perhaps the other side of the coin is ............. ensure the rolling stock is maintained correctly

    It would need a three sided coin in this case.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 09, 2023, 08:08:39

    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
    Assuming in this instance the fixed infrastructure was at fault!

    Perhaps the other side of the coin is ............. ensure the rolling stock is maintained correctly

    It would need a three sided coin in this case.

    Such is the complexity of the railway  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Marlburian on December 09, 2023, 15:36:18
    Rachel Riley and James Blunt were among those stranded on the Elizabeth Line train: Metro (https://metro.co.uk/2023/12/08/thousands-stranded-cold-dark-london-trains-hours-power-cut-19944985/?ico=just-in_article_must-read)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 09, 2023, 16:38:26
    Rachel Riley and James Blunt were among those stranded on the Elizabeth Line train: Metro (https://metro.co.uk/2023/12/08/thousands-stranded-cold-dark-london-trains-hours-power-cut-19944985/?ico=just-in_article_must-read)

    I wonder if the Famous Five got home in the end?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2023, 09:18:16
    Almost beyond parody.......

    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 10/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 10, 2023, 09:38:48
    More information on what’s causing the disruption this morning:

    Quote
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 10/12.

    Customer Advice
    -
    Please be advised that we're currently experiencing disruption on the lines on approach to London Paddington as one of our drivers has reported something stuck and wrapped around the overhead line equipment and the pantograph of their train.
    -
    As a consequence, all the overhead lines have been switched off for safety with most of the lines on approach to Paddington blocked.
    -
    As the overhead lines have been switched off with all traffic between Slough and London Paddington at a stand. The driver of the affected train has taken a line block to enable them to inspect the train track-side.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2023, 10:04:58
    More information on what’s causing the disruption this morning:

    Quote
    Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 10/12.

    Customer Advice
    -
    Please be advised that we're currently experiencing disruption on the lines on approach to London Paddington as one of our drivers has reported something stuck and wrapped around the overhead line equipment and the pantograph of their train.
    -
    As a consequence, all the overhead lines have been switched off for safety with most of the lines on approach to Paddington blocked.
    -
    As the overhead lines have been switched off with all traffic between Slough and London Paddington at a stand. The driver of the affected train has taken a line block to enable them to inspect the train track-side.

    "A reminder that unfortunately South Western Railway are currently in disruption with overrunning engineering works and they are also running a planned road transport operation between Ascot and Hounslow. Therefore we will not be able to use their services between London Waterloo and Reading as an alternative"

    No-one's getting to/from London for a while.

    Just announced - expected disruption now extended until 1400 - all lines blocked, all trains at a stand - are we going to see evacuations again?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 10, 2023, 10:18:35
    infoman has posted similar at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=28248.new#new


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 10, 2023, 11:20:30
    infoman has posted similar at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=28248.new#new

    GWR's post on X has about 50 very disgruntled replies:

    https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1733780947252699427 (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1733780947252699427)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2023, 11:21:50
    The Grauniad via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/watchdog-calls-for-investigation-after-thousands-get-trapped-in-trains-in-london/ar-AA1ld43d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=WSEDDB&cvid=9f168a007751495582edd776b2dbd4a2&ei=11) had the following article yesterday that throws a little light on Thursday night's event -

    Quote
    Watchdog calls for investigation after thousands get trapped in trains in London

    London’s passenger watchdog has called for an investigation after thousand of people were trapped on trains on Thursday evening when power lines were damaged.

    Passengers, who were given no information during the ordeal, were stuck for more than three hours on dark, cold trains – including on Elizabeth line trains, which have no toilets and rely on the overhead lines for power.

    Around seven trains were stranded, operated by the Elizabeth line, Heathrow Express and Great Western Railway (GWR).

    Damage to the overhead lines in the west of London caused severe disruption that was set to last into Friday evening.

    The watchdog, London TravelWatch, said an investigation was needed and it expressed concern over the “lack of communication and slow response time” following the stoppages.

    The incident occurred during a 24-hour strike by train drivers in the Aslef union on GWR and Heathrow Express services

    It is understood that the GWR train caught in the damaged wire was being driven by a manager while regular drivers were on strike. Most companies around England have not attempted to run any trains during this week’s rolling strikes.

    Network Rail said on Thursday that the problem was caused by a train striking an “obstruction between Paddington and Acton mainline”, causing damage to the overhead wires.

    Transport for London said in a statement: “We’re sorry that the damage caused to Network Rail’s overhead power lines by another rail operator’s train has caused significant disruption to our Elizabeth line customers as well as all train operators out of London Paddington.

    “We worked to get customers off stranded trains as quickly as possible and to provide any support needed.”

    A spokesperson for Aslef said: “Some train companies choose, quite sensibly, take the practical decision to suspend all services on strike days.”

    According to Aslef, the driver of the GWR train that ended up caught in the wire usually worked as an operations investigations manager. The spokesperson added: “I suppose, as an operations investigations manager, he is uniquely qualified to investigate … what went wrong.”

    A GWR spokesperson said: “The only people who can drive our trains are competent train drivers, properly qualified with appropriate route knowledge.

    “As yet, there is no evidence that the overhead line equipment fault was due to a train.”

    The singer James Blunt, and the TV presenter Rachel Riley, were among the passengers caught up in the disruption on Thursday.

    Blunt posted on X: “Been stuck somewhere outside Paddington for close to 4 hours now. Out of peanuts and wine,” while Riley wrote: “Nearly 4 hours after we got on, we’re getting off the Elizabeth line, woohoo!”

    Network Rail’s own chief executive, Andrew Haines, was also on board one of the stranded trains, which he said was a “painful experience”. In a message to staff, he wrote that railways had “gone backwards on customer service”.

    He told them: “As an industry, we let down thousands of passengers after a hugely disruptive incident just outside of Paddington station.”

    Haines said it was not yet “the place to go into the whys and wherefores - the causes of the incident are yet to be determined”.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 10, 2023, 12:25:50
    infoman has posted similar at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=28248.new#new

    GWR's post on X has about 50 very disgruntled replies:

    https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1733780947252699427 (https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1733780947252699427)

    Great customer experience at Paddington.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 10, 2023, 12:32:29
    Power had tripped out on a section of OLE. No damage was found.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 10, 2023, 14:58:22
    Quote
    Following a safety inspection of the track earlier today between Slough and London Paddington all lines have now reopened.
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 10/12.

    Customer Advice
    -
    All lines have since reopened with normal working resumed. The residual delays and disruption will continue into the early afternoon whilst we recover the service as there are displaced trains and members of crew across the network.
    -
    We're looking at reintroducing a service on all routes affected by this incident as we're aware there have been large gaps in service on several of our routes in and out of London Paddington this morning.
    -
    The alternatives outlined below will remain in place until further notice.
    -
    As an alternative please be advised customers may use their GWR rail tickets on the following:
    - Chiltern Railway services between London Marylebone and Oxford.
    - South Western Railway services between Guildford and London Waterloo.
    - London Underground services via any reasonable route.
    - First Berkshire Thames Valley buses accepting GWR customers on routes 3,4,7,8,13 & X74.
    All of these alternatives are in place until further notice.
    -
    Withdrawn agreements:
    - GTR Southern Thameslink between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport.
    -
    If you require further assistance planning your journey you may contact one of our social media team via Twitter (X) handle @GWRhelp, or alterntively you may contact National Rail Enquiries on 03457 484 950..
    -
    We apologise for any inconvenience caused to your journey with us today.
    -
    Last Updated:10/12/2023 14:26


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: rogerw on December 10, 2023, 16:53:53
    I was caught up in this. i arrived at PAD to catch the 1005 to BPW to find the concourse heaving. nothing happened until a late running 1130 to BRI was announced which caused a stampede towards platform 3. A large number were refused access to the platform as the train was already full. Other trains were announced, but nothing for south Wales. I eventually left on the 1330 to BRI, for a connection to BPW, as there was no indication as to when a south Wales service would depart. That train was full and standing to Bath. I eventually arrived 4¼ hours late.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 11, 2023, 12:40:39
    Points failure at Slough. Delays. Again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on December 11, 2023, 14:39:43
    The whole incident last night demonstrates why the railway needs to be properly staffed, and the need for a guard to be on every train. You’re putting one staff member in charge of potentially 1000 passengers welfare and safety whilst also looking after the train itself.
    One lone driver will not be able to safely evacuate a train on their own and considering there were around 10 stranded trains it takes a lot of resource to evacuate them, and it’s not a swift process.. You also have the added complication of 25kV of overhead cables on the ground, that’s enough to give more than a tickle if you were to come into contact with it.
    At the end of the day, with limited resources, you have to make a choice. Focus on freeing the damaged train so you can get things moving which enables train to train evacuations or simply go straight to evacuating everyone to ballast which is a very long and resource intensive process with substantially more risk.

    Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!

    As per usual there is a politician trying to use the incident for their own ends without having a clue:

    Quote
      Tory mayoral candidate Susan Hall called on Sadiq Khan, who is the TfL chair, to “make a full apology to those affected”.

    She said: “What happened on the Elizabeth line was undoubtedly distressing for thousands of passengers. I hope TfL gets to the bottom of how this happened, so it can ensure this never happens again.”

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/travel-chaos-hits-rush-hour-202032481.html

    Clearly she has a full grasp of the situation, what infrastructure was affected, who owns/maintains it and what caused the infrastructure to fail before making that statement. Obviously she should be the main witness at any investigation with that amazing knowledge.

    Quite how TFL are going to ensure that an incident involving Network Rail infrastructure and potentially trains from another TOC is beyond me.

    Maybe she is subtly suggesting TFL should run all the trains out of Paddington and that will be a manifesto promise.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Bob_Blakey on December 11, 2023, 15:45:59
    I assume that the running of the 1857 HEx service from Terminal 5 on the Relief Line after Southall, resulting in a 30 minute journey time, and the 40 minute late departure of the 1903 GWR IET to Plymouth were in some way associated with yesterday's complete chaos. Or was this entirely down to the ASLEF spanner in the works?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on December 11, 2023, 17:56:39
    I assume that the running of the 1857 HEx service from Terminal 5 on the Relief Line after Southall, resulting in a 30 minute journey time, and the 40 minute late departure of the 1903 GWR IET to Plymouth were in some way associated with yesterday's complete chaos. Or was this entirely down to the ASLEF spanner in the works?
    Assuming you mean yesterday, both mains were still closed out to about Ealing. Presumably that was to do with repairing the OLE, and possibly much investigating of what happened to it. Running a Sunday service with two lines out of use ought to be possible, but the OLE issue was being blamed for cancellations all day.

    From the afternoon, cancellations were also blamed on problems with staff, trains, and just having a bad train day. That Plymouth train (1C94) had come in from Plymouth at 19:24, so leaving within 20 minutes was about the best it was going to do.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2023, 11:22:15
    Another day.......

    Delays to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Twyford some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:00 12/12.
    Train services between Reading and Slough may be delayed.

    Additional Information
    Thames Valley Fire Service has advised that there is a fire near the railway at Twyford, as well as reports of a fallen tree which may have caused damage to the wires. The relief lines (served by local stopping trains) are closed. The highspeed mainline (served by fast non-stop trains) remains open. We're sorry for any disruption this brings to your travel plans today.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2023, 20:07:03
    ......and tonight, it's the tracks again!  ::)

    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 12, 2023, 22:50:06
    A genuine question.  When will the line from Maidenhead to Paddington be (properly) fixed and issues relegated to at least a fortnightly if not monthly occurence?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 13, 2023, 07:15:34
    A genuine question.  When will the line from Maidenhead to Paddington be (properly) fixed and issues relegated to at least a fortnightly if not monthly occurence?

    Best ask Network Rail on that one.
    Or perhaps ask your local M.P to put pressure on Network Rail to close the line for a while to upgrade everything.
    Don't think many passengers would notice a full line closure!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2023, 08:55:17
    A genuine question.  When will the line from Maidenhead to Paddington be (properly) fixed and issues relegated to at least a fortnightly if not monthly occurence?

    Best ask Network Rail on that one.
    Or perhaps ask your local M.P to put pressure on Network Rail to close the line for a while to upgrade everything.
    Don't think many passengers would notice a full line closure!

    I'd rather have a full line closure, or evening/overnight closures to resolve these issues permanently and create a robust system, instead of what has become a daily lottery, potentially
    ending in a much more serious incident with loss of life.

    Currently it's shambolic, so it may have to be short term pain for long term gain.

    Now's the time for those at the top of Network Rail to stand up and be counted and similarly GWR should be applying pressure on them to do so.

    Tape & bits of string will only hold it together for so long.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on December 13, 2023, 08:59:10
    Or perhaps ask your local M.P to put pressure on Network Rail to close the line for a while to upgrade everything.

    Is there an attraction in the idea of running a two track railway for a month during the quieter winter period?  10 car IET trains in "cascades" every half hour which (example) divide at Reading for Hereford / Exeter and Cheltenham / Penzance  alternately, with 9 car services to Swansea and Bristol. Followed in each cascade by a 387 to Newbury or Didcot (and Cardiff?), a Heathrow Express and an Elizabeth Line service?     Oops - I am starting to suggest to the professionals what they might do.

    Worry, mind, that during the first phase with two lines still unfixed, even the two track reduced service would be liable to break.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2023, 09:36:59
    Or perhaps ask your local M.P to put pressure on Network Rail to close the line for a while to upgrade everything.

    Is there an attraction in the idea of running a two track railway for a month during the quieter winter period?  10 car IET trains in "cascades" every half hour which (example) divide at Reading for Hereford / Exeter and Cheltenham / Penzance  alternately, with 9 car services to Swansea and Bristol. Followed in each cascade by a 387 to Newbury or Didcot (and Cardiff?), a Heathrow Express and an Elizabeth Line service?     Oops - I am starting to suggest to the professionals what they might do.

    Worry, mind, that during the first phase with two lines still unfixed, even the two track reduced service would be liable to break.



    Turn everything around at Reading, perhaps a skeleton peak only Elizabeth Line service Reading- Paddington, otherwise Reading-Waterloo, Windsor- Waterloo.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 13, 2023, 15:51:01
    Groundhog day  ::)

    Quote
    A broken rail between London Paddington and Reading / Heathrow Airport means trains have to run at reduced speeds on some lines. As a result, trains may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes.

    This is expected until the end of the day.

    Looking at Open Train Times Maps there seems to be a queue of trains at a standstill currently on the UM from Ealing Broadway back to Hanwell.

    And now they're on the move but being switched to the UR at Acton West.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2023, 20:26:06
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to congestion between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 14, 2023, 13:04:38
    Today's Thames Valley treat.....


    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 16:00 14/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 14, 2023, 13:21:57
    Yesterday afternoon was a broken fishplate at Acton Main Line on the Up Main. Today was signalling issues as mentioned above. Delay Repay claims being submitted for each half of my return. Glad I no longer commute.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 14, 2023, 17:11:09
    Today's Thames Valley treat.....


    Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 16:00 14/12.

    Now extended till 1800 so a miserable journey home for many.

    What a shambles (yet again).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: 1st fan on December 14, 2023, 23:44:53
    Sadly I’m not surprised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2023, 06:25:32
    .......and for today, we have.....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 15/12.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2023, 07:56:30
    .......and for today, we have.....

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 15/12.

    Update: Situation deteriorated - disruption now expected until 1100


    Network Rail are now suffering from multiple infrastructure issues between Reading and London Paddington.

    In response we're entering a pre-agreed contingency plan whereby there's effectively no service between Reading and London Paddington. No more trains will depart Reading towards London Paddington.

    Those trains already between Reading and London Paddington will complete their journey to clear the section.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on December 15, 2023, 08:03:15
    I've just been monitoring 1K03, the 06:00 from Bedwyn (which I used to regularly take from Twyford when I commuted from there) - it left Bedwyn 5 minutes late and arrived at PAD 49 late having taken 34 minutes to get from West Drayton to Southall.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on December 15, 2023, 08:20:19
    Another one today but short lived this time
    Quote
      Following a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines have now reopened. (08.12)



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2023, 10:20:55
    Another one today but short lived this time
    Quote
      Following a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Reading some lines have now reopened. (08.12)



    Not so short lived unfortunately.....disruption now till 1500


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Interceptor on December 15, 2023, 11:04:28
    As a life long railway engineer since 1978 and on Western TV area since 2007, I find it embarrassing that our infrastructure appears to be as fragile as apparently it is.
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 15, 2023, 11:44:17
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    Surely working for Network Rail isn't a zero sum game and the staff are able to do such a survey alongside their main role? Are you suggesting that doing this survey is somehow affecting the maintenance regime in the Thames Valley? Or suggesting that Andrew Haines is concentrating on this issue to the detriment of other problems?

    As CEO I'd hope he was able to multi-task.

    https://www.networkrail.co.uk/who-we-are/diversity-and-inclusion/


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 15, 2023, 16:22:48
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    Surely working for Network Rail isn't a zero sum game and the staff are able to do such a survey alongside their main role? Are you suggesting that doing this survey is somehow affecting the maintenance regime in the Thames Valley? Or suggesting that Andrew Haines is concentrating on this issue to the detriment of other problems?

    As CEO I'd hope he was able to multi-task.

    https://www.networkrail.co.uk/who-we-are/diversity-and-inclusion/

    As the esteemed (in some, very dark corners) former Leader of the Labour party used to advise us, albeit in a rather unfortunate context, not everyone "gets" English irony.

    I too am sure that Andrew Haines can multi-task, and I look forward at some stage (soon?) to a statement from him setting out what he plans to do to address the utterly woeful performance of the infrastructure in the Thames Valley for which is he accountable.

    ......as I stood at Maidenhead station earlier today amongst many others, forlornly contemplating the departure boards which displayed an almost universal "cancelled" against each train, I was pleased to be aware of Network Rail's commitment to diversity and inclusion, and having advised the assembled congregation on the platform that whilst their infrastructure is in bits, they could rest assured that strenuous efforts were being made to ascertain all of their employees preferred pronouns, one could sense the atmosphere of gloom lifting  :)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: eXPassenger on December 15, 2023, 17:29:31
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    Well he had plenty of time to complete his copy while on a train last week.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 15, 2023, 17:32:50
    Irony or not, when attitudes and behaviours can impact safety and workplace harmony on the railways I think such initiatives are very important.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 16, 2023, 08:32:16
    Important Announcement: Trains ARE currently running between Reading and Paddington



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 16, 2023, 09:08:13
    Important Announcement: Trains ARE currently running between Reading and Paddington



    .............WERE.......... :-[

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:45 16/12.

    Customer Advice
    Following a fault with the signalling system in the Southall area trains have to run at reduced speeds.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 16, 2023, 11:03:13
    As a life long railway engineer since 1978 and on Western TV area since 2007, I find it embarrassing that our infrastructure appears to be as fragile as apparently it is.
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    I too was a lifelong railway engineer.  If to-day's managers are incapable of devising systems to safely evacuate electric trains before the batteries run out you need either better batteries or better management. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 16, 2023, 13:15:36
    As a life long railway engineer since 1978 and on Western TV area since 2007, I find it embarrassing that our infrastructure appears to be as fragile as apparently it is.
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......



    Surely working for Network Rail isn't a zero sum game and the staff are able to do such a survey alongside their main role? Are you suggesting that doing this survey is somehow affecting the maintenance regime in the Thames Valley? Or suggesting that Andrew Haines is concentrating on this issue to the detriment of other problems?

    As CEO I'd hope he was able to multi-task.

    https://www.networkrail.co.uk/who-we-are/diversity-and-inclusion/

    Yes, such surveys can be done alongside our daily rolls in Network Rail for those of us that use laptops in an office, our on track front line colleges have a very often only basic i-phone and access to multi user PC's at the depots.

    It just seems that the focus is doing these types of surveys, there's at least 4 of these a year and other "workshops" and events lord able as they are they do take away from the day job ............... which is running trains.





    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: plymothian on December 17, 2023, 09:23:55
    As a life long railway engineer since 1978 and on Western TV area since 2007, I find it embarrassing that our infrastructure appears to be as fragile as apparently it is.
    What I find worse is that internally within the business nothing appears to be getting said as how the situation is being addressed.
    today, the Chief Executive was urging members of staff to complete the diversity and inclusion survey.......

    I too was a lifelong railway engineer.  If to-day's managers are incapable of devising systems to safely evacuate electric trains before the batteries run out you need either better batteries or better management. 

    It's worse, there IS a system - the Elizabeth line had extensive evacuation drills - but it takes too bloody long for everyone to decide to actually put it into practice.  There's always a 'just one more thing' to try to fix the root cause before someone sighs and says 'I suppose we'd better think about evacuation'. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 17, 2023, 10:50:01
    It just seems that the focus is doing these types of surveys, there's at least 4 of these a year and other "workshops" and events lord able as they are they do take away from the day job ............... which is running trains.

    I have to disagree. The 'day job' isn't about running trains - it's about moving passengers and freight.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 17, 2023, 20:06:23
    It just seems that the focus is doing these types of surveys, there's at least 4 of these a year and other "workshops" and events lord able as they are they do take away from the day job ............... which is running trains.

    I have to disagree. The 'day job' isn't about running trains - it's about moving passengers and freight.

    Amounts to the same thing


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Oxonhutch on December 17, 2023, 20:59:19
    Amounts to the same thing

    With the greatest respect ET - and I speak as one intimately involved in railways - although that doesn't pay my mortgage. There is a perception amongst the paying public that many times their needs are low down the heap compared to keeping the big machine moving.

    I think the Railway needs to address this and take on board that the customer is first - and wants/requires running trains. We all know that the railway would run seamlessly without passengers - ask me, I am a duty line manager on mine. But the system needs to reassess its messaging and realign its risk assessment/health and safety (established procedures) versus the comfort and basic needs of passengers.

    It strikes me that there are not enough big voices in the management team to take command of the situation and say "just do that, and do it now!", and are prepared to accept as part of their remit (£££) that there might be a backlash, or criticism, in the future analysis.

    I feel it is not so much 'risk' adverse as 'decision' adverse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: AMLAG on December 17, 2023, 23:03:22

    Extract from Andrew Haines communication of 8/12/23 concerning the major disruption incident  outside Paddington on the evening of Th 7/12/23.

    “Thirdly, and importantly, we failed as a system. Too many individual actors seeing risk from their own perspective meant it was harder than it should have been to get things done whilst maintaining safety. Multiple self-evacuations, because of the pace at which we were able to move or even access trains, cannot be regarded as good safety practice.

    Lastly, we have gone backwards on customer service. Tools to look after passengers that I would have used as a station manager in 1987 - before I'd even seen a mobile phone - were not available and we were hardly great at it then.
    We can do better than we did last night when we take customers legitimate concerns seriously.”


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 18, 2023, 07:17:38
    Amounts to the same thing

    With the greatest respect ET - and I speak as one intimately involved in railways - although that doesn't pay my mortgage. There is a perception amongst the paying public that many times their needs are low down the heap compared to keeping the big machine moving.

    I think the Railway needs to address this and take on board that the customer is first - and wants/requires running trains. We all know that the railway would run seamlessly without passengers - ask me, I am a duty line manager on mine. But the system needs to reassess its messaging and realign its risk assessment/health and safety (established procedures) versus the comfort and basic needs of passengers.

    It strikes me that there are not enough big voices in the management team to take command of the situation and say "just do that, and do it now!", and are prepared to accept as part of their remit (£££) that there might be a backlash, or criticism, in the future analysis.

    I feel it is not so much 'risk' adverse as 'decision' adverse.


    Let me clarify my view as a professional railwayman of close on 50 years (I did start my railway career in 1975 with British Rail)

    The railways were and remain to this day a complex operation, passenger trains are the most important part of the railway operation, I am a passenger myself! So is freight a failed / late running freight impacts passenger trains

    How we as an industry treat, look after, protect our passengers is should be a vital part of the industry does and I totally agree with Andrew Haines, we the National rail industry let the travelling public down on that Thursday evening.  My current day job however is about supply vast amounts of electrical energy to the railway to ensure there is power for traction, signalling and whole host of ancillary equipment, which is all about keeping trains moving which I take extremely seriously.

    I have in one of my past Network Rail engineering rolls worked on the emergency evacuation planning for the Thameslink core along side other NR Ops collages, LFB, BTP, Met, City of London Police, GLA and 5 London Borough authorities, and whole host of other support organisations.   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 18, 2023, 07:33:10
    Amounts to the same thing

    With the greatest respect ET - and I speak as one intimately involved in railways - although that doesn't pay my mortgage. There is a perception amongst the paying public that many times their needs are low down the heap compared to keeping the big machine moving.

    I think the Railway needs to address this and take on board that the customer is first - and wants/requires running trains. We all know that the railway would run seamlessly without passengers - ask me, I am a duty line manager on mine. But the system needs to reassess its messaging and realign its risk assessment/health and safety (established procedures) versus the comfort and basic needs of passengers.

    It strikes me that there are not enough big voices in the management team to take command of the situation and say "just do that, and do it now!", and are prepared to accept as part of their remit (£££) that there might be a backlash, or criticism, in the future analysis.

    I feel it is not so much 'risk' adverse as 'decision' adverse.


    Let me clarify my view as a professional railwayman of close on 50 years (I did start my railway career in 1975 with British Rail)

    The railways were and remain to this day a complex operation, passenger trains are the most important part of the railway operation, I am a passenger myself! So is freight a failed / late running freight impacts passenger trains

    How we as an industry treat, look after, protect our passengers is should be a vital part of the industry does and I totally agree with Andrew Haines, we the National rail industry let the travelling public down on that Thursday evening.  My current day job however is about supply vast amounts of electrical energy to the railway to ensure there is power for traction, signalling and whole host of ancillary equipment, which is all about keeping trains moving which I take extremely seriously.

    I have in one of my past Network Rail engineering rolls worked on the emergency evacuation planning for the Thameslink core along side other NR Ops collages, LFB, BTP, Met, City of London Police, GLA and 5 London Borough authorities, and whole host of other support organisations.   


    As a long serving professional railwayman with experience of emergency evacuation planning, can you advise which one person would have been in overall control of recent events where you had GWR, HEX and Elizabeth Line trains stranded and would have ultimately have made the decisions and the call on all those trains being evacuated?

    Not a witch hunt, not looking for a name, more like a role - ie would it fall under the remit of a senior Network Rail manager, or someone else?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 18, 2023, 08:19:51
    Amounts to the same thing

    With the greatest respect ET - and I speak as one intimately involved in railways - although that doesn't pay my mortgage. There is a perception amongst the paying public that many times their needs are low down the heap compared to keeping the big machine moving.

    I think the Railway needs to address this and take on board that the customer is first - and wants/requires running trains. We all know that the railway would run seamlessly without passengers - ask me, I am a duty line manager on mine. But the system needs to reassess its messaging and realign its risk assessment/health and safety (established procedures) versus the comfort and basic needs of passengers.

    It strikes me that there are not enough big voices in the management team to take command of the situation and say "just do that, and do it now!", and are prepared to accept as part of their remit (£££) that there might be a backlash, or criticism, in the future analysis.

    I feel it is not so much 'risk' adverse as 'decision' adverse.


    Let me clarify my view as a professional railwayman of close on 50 years (I did start my railway career in 1975 with British Rail)

    The railways were and remain to this day a complex operation, passenger trains are the most important part of the railway operation, I am a passenger myself! So is freight a failed / late running freight impacts passenger trains

    How we as an industry treat, look after, protect our passengers is should be a vital part of the industry does and I totally agree with Andrew Haines, we the National rail industry let the travelling public down on that Thursday evening.  My current day job however is about supply vast amounts of electrical energy to the railway to ensure there is power for traction, signalling and whole host of ancillary equipment, which is all about keeping trains moving which I take extremely seriously.

    I have in one of my past Network Rail engineering rolls worked on the emergency evacuation planning for the Thameslink core along side other NR Ops collages, LFB, BTP, Met, City of London Police, GLA and 5 London Borough authorities, and whole host of other support organisations.   


    As a long serving professional railwayman with experience of emergency evacuation planning, can you advise which one person would have been in overall control of recent events where you had GWR, HEX and Elizabeth Line trains stranded and would have ultimately have made the decisions and the call on all those trains being evacuated?

    Not a witch hunt, not looking for a name, more like a role - ie would it fall under the remit of a senior Network Rail manager, or someone else?

    The event would (should) have escalated from Bronze to Silver to Gold command.  These command levels are an agreed process with the Blue Light Services and within Railway Industry. 

    The NR Region will have a Silver Command "suite" a dedicated meeting room with all the tech resources, the lead on Silver is a NR Region / Route Director level with TOC or multiple TOC equivalents. 

    Gold is National level which will be lead by Regional Route Managing Director or senior National Executive.

    There is an on-call roster for all the excusive, director and senior leads National, Regional, Route level (including myself but I am not part of Wales and Western)

    Generally the "command" process works very well.  I am sure there is a lesson learned on the "command" process in this incident (as there is for every time its used)

    The ORR should have opened an investigation, although they may, as they often do, wait to see what comes out of the internal investigations 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 19, 2023, 06:53:39
    Thank you ElectricTrain, a much appreciated explanation.
    Just out of curiosity, when the final report on the failure is released, might you and other region managers have access to it to see the learning points?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 19, 2023, 07:12:39
    Thank you ElectricTrain, a much appreciated explanation.
    Just out of curiosity, when the final report on the failure is released, might you and other region managers have access to it to see the learning points?
    The detailed report will be circulated, the ORR will require that a public version to be published


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 19, 2023, 07:19:13
    Thank you ElectricTrain, a much appreciated explanation.
    Just out of curiosity, when the final report on the failure is released, might you and other region managers have access to it to see the learning points?
    The detailed report will be circulated, the ORR will require that a public version to be published

    It'll be interesting to see their conclusions on whether or not any of the learnings from the Lewisham train stranding incident in 2018 had been put into practice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: JayMac on December 19, 2023, 15:01:04
    The Lewisham incident was investigated by the RAIB. Has there been any indication that this incident will be investigated by them?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on December 19, 2023, 18:16:07
    I don’t think that was what TaplowGreen was implying. He was asking whether lessons about ineffective evacuations have been learnt to prevent them reoccurring.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 19, 2023, 18:19:36
    The Lewisham incident was investigated by the RAIB. Has there been any indication that this incident will be investigated by them?

    RAIB will be interested and will be investigating 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2023, 20:41:29
    They have yet to send out their notification of thus doing


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 22, 2023, 06:48:49
    The Lewisham incident was investigated by the RAIB. Has there been any indication that this incident will be investigated by them?

    The Lewisham incident involved a mass self detraining of passengers, the recent GWML incident outside Paddington did not involve a mass self detraining.   

    Passengers in the GWML outside Paddington may have been greatly inconvenienced and the lack of welfare (heat, water, toilets) but they were is a place of safety i.e. not immediate threat to life or of injury by remaining on the train.

    The RIAB I am sure will have been in contact with Network Rail and the TOCs and they maybe satisfied that the internal railway investigations are robust enough.  The RAIB investigators are hold a warrant (same as the police) so when the RIAB interview a witness the witness is placed under caution, the witness will say they want their solicitor present which adds time and cost.  Internal investigations whist not having the power of under caution are more collaborative, however if the lead investigator (and these are trained individuals to a similar level as RIAB) come across anything that is criminal of serious safety related they will not hesitate to had the case over to BTP or RIAB   


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 22, 2023, 10:22:54
    Sorry, ET, I have to disagree.  The fact that the passengers were in a “place of safety” (although that is arguable) is no excuse for managers not acting more quickly to evacuate the trains. 

    The management of safety requires a balanced and informed approach to risk and benefit.  It seems to me that to-day’s managers and/or management systems tend to find reasons – particularly around the interpretation of H&S - not to take decisive and quick action when things go wrong.   

    Managers should have the competence and confidence to use their judgment to act decisively and solve problems quickly.  That’s what they’re paid to do. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 22, 2023, 11:26:24
    The management of safety requires a balanced and informed approach to risk and benefit.   

    Yes, there were the inconvenience of being where they were, but also remember that evacuating a train is not risk free.  The two risks do have to be balanced.  I cannot judge which side the is correct, but I know it is not a simple decision. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 22, 2023, 14:21:04
    Sorry, ET, I have to disagree.  The fact that the passengers were in a “place of safety” (although that is arguable) is no excuse for managers not acting more quickly to evacuate the trains. 

    The management of safety requires a balanced and informed approach to risk and benefit.  It seems to me that to-day’s managers and/or management systems tend to find reasons – particularly around the interpretation of H&S - not to take decisive and quick action when things go wrong.   

    Managers should have the competence and confidence to use their judgment to act decisively and solve problems quickly.  That’s what they’re paid to do. 


    Exactly the point and makes me wonder whether some of the key lessons of the Lewisham stranding were learned and recommendations taken up - and there are a lot of relevant points in that report about speed of decision making, communications and speedier evacuation.

    Furthermore, the public in general and those who were caught up in (to be frank) this s***show in particular have the right to know exactly what went wrong, what should have been done, who was responsible and what will be done to ensure it doesn't happen again or is at least managed in a more professional and responsible manner, and this requires a report by a body such as the RAIB, perhaps incorporating testimony from passengers on the stranded trains rather than a "circle the wagons" type affair produced by NR & the TOCs

    Some of the more defensive answers on this thread give a clear indication as to how customer experience is too far down the list of priorities for the railway and that remains a huge cultural challenge.

    My final comment would be that having a Regional MD responsible for region in question who lives in Aberdeen is probably not conducive to swift action and decision making at the necessary level in these circumstances, although she does appear to have paid the price, if not just for this but for numerous other failings.

    Haines said "we failed as a system" and "we can do better" in the conclusion of his statement following his own stranding on one of the trains involved - let's hope so - I am sure we all look forward to hearing how that will be achieved in future, and why it wasn't on this occasion.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 22, 2023, 19:22:51
    They absolutely could not evacuate until safety could be assured. That as a minimum means no movements of any kind possible and sufficient staff to ensure the evacuations are safe without allowing passengers to wander anywhere except the direction they are meant to go in. If eitrher can't be assured, they stay in a place of safety. If that means urinating on the train, so be it. Uncomfortable, horrible, but it ain't going to kill you! If RAIB are assured that no one was put at risk, or harmed, then they won't investigate a slow detrain.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on December 22, 2023, 19:27:45
    Of course one of the issues that contributed to this was the failure to install toilets on the Elizabeth Line Trains


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 22, 2023, 19:39:33
    The RAIB investigators are hold a warrant (same as the police) so when the RIAB interview a witness the witness is placed under caution, the witness will say they want their solicitor present which adds time and cost.

    The RAIB say
    Quote
    Our investigations focus on improving safety. We're not a prosecuting body and don't assign fault or blame, or determine liability.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on December 22, 2023, 20:13:12
    If that means urinating on the train, so be it. Uncomfortable, horrible, but it ain't going to kill you!
    Yeah, perfectly acceptable in the 21st century for people to be expected to **** in the corner of a train. Come on Chris, think of the female passengers who needed to go.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 22, 2023, 20:15:32
    Unacceptable, but if needs must it won't kill you, whereas the chances are far higher if evacuation starts & the public wander off in all directions


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 23, 2023, 10:02:37
    I think we all agree that it needs railway people to guide evacuees from the trains to a place of safety.  The issue is why did it took so long for this to be organised, in this case within a few hundred yards of Paddington station.  The sooner “guides” are mobilsed with a controlled evacuation, the less chance there is of people self-evacuating and wandering off – that WOULD have been a safety hazard.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 23, 2023, 12:21:45
    Indeed - BUT the trains were from 3 different TOCs, spread out along the inner GWML - so that's 4 (5 if =you include BTP) rail companies that have to talk to each other & find enough staff to attend to their services, meaning each team needs to be assembled at the nearest track access point to each failed train, handle all the HSE requirements and obtain permissions.

    All that *after* ascertaining (probably from an initial site inspection, as to whether they might get them moving again in the time that evacuation takes)

    So just where are all these staff 'hanging around' (working) such that they can all drop whatever they are doing straight away to mobilise to wherever their access point might be? And how long do *yoyu* think this ought to take? ??? ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on December 23, 2023, 21:11:07
    I think we all agree that it needs railway people to guide evacuees from the trains to a place of safety.  The issue is why did it took so long for this to be organised, in this case within a few hundred yards of Paddington station.  The sooner “guides” are mobilsed with a controlled evacuation, the less chance there is of people self-evacuating and wandering off – that WOULD have been a safety hazard.

    Indeed - BUT the trains were from 3 different TOCs, spread out along the inner GWML - so that's 4 (5 if =you include BTP) rail companies that have to talk to each other & find enough staff to attend to their services, meaning each team needs to be assembled at the nearest track access point to each failed train, handle all the HSE requirements and obtain permissions.

    All that *after* ascertaining (probably from an initial site inspection, as to whether they might get them moving again in the time that evacuation takes)

    So just where are all these staff 'hanging around' (working) such that they can all drop whatever they are doing straight away to mobilise to wherever their access point might be? And how long do *yoyu* think this ought to take? ??? ???

    The Network Rail staff who carry out train evacuations are the MOMs (Mobile Operations Managers) they are mobile in the sense they are in road vehicles and are actually quite thinly spread out.  The Network Rail Maintainenance teams who could assist the MOMs at that time of the day also quite spread out.  Both the MOMs and Maintainenance are spread out to react to the normal run of the mill faults.
    It would take time to get MOMs from other areas to the Paddington area basically they had to drive there, in traffic, in Network vehicles with a 56 mph speed limiter fitted.

    BTP and the civil Police would not attempt to evacuate trains unless there was an immediate threat to the life of the stranded passengers, we are after all talking about stranded trains and not a crash.

    As I have mentioned before the track is a very hostile environment especially in the dark, the risk of serious injury (broken bones) from just walking in unsuitable footwear is very high,

    If an evacuation is not manage there will always be the impatient persons who will wonder off because they know better which means it will take even longer before trains can be allowed to move because the whole area has to be searched.

    At the time of the incident I am guessing that between Reading and Paddington Network Rail possibly had less than 20 staff with the training and equipment to evacuate that many passengers, it is likely MOMs were called in from adjacent Routes to assist but that can only be done when cover is arranged for their area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on December 23, 2023, 21:18:08
    Thanks for that, ET. I'm sure that the RAIB has checked all this, and hence have nothing to say further as they understand the issues..


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 28, 2023, 08:40:06
    NOT infrastructure, but delays today (28th December)
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/12.
    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey today.


    Can you tell me more about the incident?
    It is with great sadness that we report a person has been struck by a train. Some lines have now reopened to allow the movement of trains once again but it will take a while to reintroduce a full service. Until that is in place, where we can, we will divert trains to run on other lines around the affected area.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on December 28, 2023, 08:49:31
    NOT infrastructure, but delays today (28th December)
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    It is with great sadness that we report a person has been struck by a train. Some lines have now reopened to allow the movement of trains once again but it will take a while to reintroduce a full service. Until that is in place, where we can, we will divert trains to run on other lines around the affected area.
    1P75 (0621 Didcot to Paddington) has been sat at Langley since 0710.
    1C03 (0700 Paddington to Bristol) sat between Iver and Langley since 0710.

    Edit to modify train information


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2023, 12:58:53
    NOT infrastructure, but delays today (28th December)
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    It is with great sadness that we report a person has been struck by a train. Some lines have now reopened to allow the movement of trains once again but it will take a while to reintroduce a full service. Until that is in place, where we can, we will divert trains to run on other lines around the affected area.
    1P75 (0621 Didcot to Paddington) has been sat at Langley since 0710.
    1C03 (0700 Paddington to Bristol) sat between Iver and Langley since 0710.

    Edit to modify train information

    All lines reopened, residual disruption expected till 1500


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 02, 2024, 15:41:02
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a problem currently under investigation between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at Reading. Disruption is expected until 18:30 02/01.

    Customer Advice

    Network Rail are currently investigating an issue with the overhead wires between London Paddington and Slough, which means at present, trains are unable to run between Paddington and Reading.

    Trains heading towards London Paddington will be delayed or cancelled at Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on January 02, 2024, 17:10:09
    Looks proper bust


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 02, 2024, 17:37:55
    Nothing moving between Didcot & Oxford either - tree on the line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 02, 2024, 19:07:10
    Nothing moving between Didcot & Oxford either - tree on the line.

    Tree on top of a freight train to be exact.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 02, 2024, 19:44:56
    GWR have this about Reading -Gatwick:
    Quote
    Due to a tree blocking the railway between Wokingham and Guildford the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford and Redhill have been suspended.

    Looking at Traksy, I reckon that's a significant underestimate of the number of trees (and the odd gazebo or trampoline) involved. I've  never seen so many lines blocked at once. SWR have this to say about their services, life in general, and how sometimes it just isn't fair:
    Quote
    Due to high winds leading to multiple trees and other obstructions blocking the railway across the network, please do not attempt to travel until further notice.
    There are at least seven trees down and a roof on our tracks, so we have had to suspend services south and west of Woking, south of Guildford and west of Staines.
    Teams are working hard to clear the lines as soon as possible, but we are expecting extensive disruption throughout the evening.
    If you are currently travelling with us, you can arrange your own taxis to complete your journey and claim this back from our Customer Services Team. To claim a refund, you will need:
    Full contact details.
    The time and date of your journey.
    The stations you travelled to and from.
    A description of the series of events that took place.
    Copies of your train tickets and taxi receipt.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2024, 19:47:39
    Was extremely gusty earlier - only for a couple of hours - but I'm not surprised it's brought multiple trees down.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 02, 2024, 20:19:48
    Nothing moving between Didcot & Oxford either - tree on the line.

    Tree on top of a freight train to be exact.

    Ouch.

    Apparently some of the problems were caused by a tent on the line at Slough......odd time and place to go camping.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 02, 2024, 21:35:58
    Apparently some of the problems were caused by a tent on the line at Slough......odd time and place to go camping.

    Not if you can fly there, surely?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on January 03, 2024, 07:19:34
    Was extremely gusty earlier - only for a couple of hours - but I'm not surprised it's brought multiple trees down.

    And with saturated ground there is less support for the trees root system.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 03, 2024, 12:34:47
    Met Office have issued a yellow severe weather warning for rain across the whole region from midday Thursday to 0300 Friday.....doesn't bode well

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2024-01-04&id=dc5299a0-b2b4-47c3-a850-d392a7b1aca4


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 03, 2024, 12:43:12
    Met Office have issued a yellow severe weather warning for rain across the whole region from midday Thursday to 0300 Friday.....doesn't bode well

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2024-01-04&id=dc5299a0-b2b4-47c3-a850-d392a7b1aca4

    Is there a hosepipe ban to be expected later this year  :D ...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 03, 2024, 12:48:06
    Met Office have issued a yellow severe weather warning for rain across the whole region from midday Thursday to 0300 Friday.....doesn't bode well

    There must be very high ground water levels in many places.  That’s the worst kind of flooding for the railway.  Remember the lengthy disruption between Twyford and Maidenhead of ten or so years ago?  Electrical cabinets/equipment was all elevated as a result of that one.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 03, 2024, 13:04:13
    Met Office have issued a yellow severe weather warning for rain across the whole region from midday Thursday to 0300 Friday.....doesn't bode well

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2024-01-04&id=dc5299a0-b2b4-47c3-a850-d392a7b1aca4

    Is there a hosepipe ban to be expected later this year  :D ...

    For the far SW of England, Wales and the South Midlands part of our area where water is stored in reservoirs in the winter for use all the year round - that remains a possibility if we have a very hot dry summer.  However for much of our area that is supplied with groundwater the groundwater levels are very high and it usually requires a multi-year drought to cause problems. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2024, 13:18:08
    Have to say given today's severe weather forecast for heavy  rain throughout the GWR region & Southern England (now expanded into the Midlands) I'm surprised  there's no "check before you travel" type message on Journeycheck?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on January 04, 2024, 13:49:31
    Met Office have issued a yellow severe weather warning for rain across the whole region from midday Thursday to 0300 Friday.....doesn't bode well

    There must be very high ground water levels in many places.  That’s the worst kind of flooding for the railway.  Remember the lengthy disruption between Twyford and Maidenhead of ten or so years ago?  Electrical cabinets/equipment was all elevated as a result of that one.
    Urgh. Sounds like I should stop watching Traksy for Chipping Sodbury to dry out at this rate...


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: didcotdean on January 04, 2024, 14:50:36
    Have to say given today's severe weather forecast for heavy  rain throughout the GWR region & Southern England (now expanded into the Midlands) I'm surprised  there's no "check before you travel" type message on Journeycheck?
    This has been put out on social media.
    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GC_5dOCWIAA0VTp?format=jpg)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2024, 15:41:22
    Yes saw it on Twitter or whatever it's called these days!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 07, 2024, 06:29:13
    Normal service resumed!

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the overhead wires near Ladbroke Grove, No trains will currently operate between London Paddington to Reading, until further notice.

    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Thameslink and Southern Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 07, 2024, 09:25:18
    Normal service resumed!

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the overhead wires near Ladbroke Grove, No trains will currently operate between London Paddington to Reading, until further notice.

    London Underground are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
    Thameslink and Southern Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

    The overhead line damage affects only lines 4 and 5 into Paddington. An attempt was made to cut the dangling wire….. but the cutter broke!  New cutter being sourced with lines 4 and 5 expected to reopen at 0930.

    Unfortunately, lines 1 to 3 are closed because of engineering work.

    Seems nothing can go GWR or NWR’s way at the moment.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 07, 2024, 09:50:04
    Around Ealing Broadway I can only see 4 lines on OTT mapping.
    Acton main line towards Paddington 5 lines,
    North Pole IEP depot to Paddington 6 lines.

    Apologies, not a railway person!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 07, 2024, 09:52:25
    Just noting 1W01 0943 London Paddington to Hereford showing as line 4 but appears not on 4......


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on January 07, 2024, 18:26:23
    Around Ealing Broadway I can only see 4 lines on OTT mapping.
    Acton main line towards Paddington 5 lines,
    North Pole IEP depot to Paddington 6 lines.

    Apologies, not a railway person!

    No apology needed! 

    4 lines all the way to Ladbroke Grove where it becomes 6 lines. It use to be 6 all the way into Paddington but CrossRail bought a few changes, so it’s 6 to where the CrossRail joins, then a brief section of 5 lines and then just before Royal Oak it goes back to 6 lines.

    The 5th line just after Acton is a reception line.  I don’t think it’s for passenger traffic.  Empty stock uses for positioning moves in the peaks.  It also use to allow trains to access Old Oak from Reading removing the need to go into Paddington itself.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 08, 2024, 06:25:12
    Yesterday the OHL, today.........


    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some Reading lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 09, 2024, 05:49:21
    Every. Single. Day.

    Alterations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading may be terminated at Reading. London Paddington will not be served.

    Alterations to services between Newbury and London Paddington via Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Newbury and London Paddington via Reading will be terminated at Reading. London Paddington will not be served.

    Customer Advice
    From 07:00, trains between Newbury and London Paddington, will only run between Newbury and Reading in both directions. Customers to/from London Paddington should change at Reading and use GWR high-speed services between Reading and London Paddington to complete their journeys


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 10, 2024, 15:50:15
    Makes a change from OHL, broken rails, points failures, signal failures I guess?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised.




    Disruption is expected until 16:00 10/01.
    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A train has broken down in the Southall area, this means that we only have one of the usual two lines available for trains running between London Paddington and Reading and as a result fewer trains are able to run. This will be the case until the broken down train is moved and Network Rail carry out any required inspections of the line.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 10, 2024, 15:54:24
    Broken rail. 

    Broken down train.

    Broken railway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 10, 2024, 18:59:15
    Makes a change from OHL, broken rails, points failures, signal failures I guess?

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30 10/01..
    Customer Advice
    We are sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A train has broken down in the Southall area, this means that we only have one of the usual two lines available for trains running between London Paddington and Reading and as a result fewer trains are able to run. This will be the case until the broken down train is moved and Network Rail carry out any required inspections of the line.
    AND
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
    Due to a broken rail between Twyford and Maidenhead some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be cancelled or delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: BBM on January 10, 2024, 19:35:52
    Scenes at PAD this evening on a TikTok video:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@thesmilingfoodjournal/video/7322553099493690657?lang=en (https://www.tiktok.com/@thesmilingfoodjournal/video/7322553099493690657?lang=en)

    Quote
    Commuter chaos at Paddington Station with yet more #traincancellations and delays leaving passengers with limited information and staff not letting commuters through the barriers


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 10, 2024, 21:33:11
    Disruption with both problems lasting until the end of the day it seems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 10, 2024, 22:20:14
    Recurring Thames Valley service & infrastructure issues raised by Labour & Conservative MPs in Parliament this week....

    https://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/news/slough/193777/slough-mp-debates-future-of-gwr-mainline-in-parliament.html


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on January 11, 2024, 06:53:29
    As the brokendown train was there most of the day, assuming it had wheels, do the train companies no longer have the means to push/pull a dead train out of the way. Or is this another case like before Christmas when passengers were left on trains for hours, of multiple actors not being able to come to a decision of who does what and when.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 11, 2024, 07:27:48
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading the Reading
    bound high speed line is closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:00 11/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 11, 2024, 10:18:02
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Reading and is now 16 minutes late.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 11, 2024, 10:50:29
    As the brokendown train was there most of the day, assuming it had wheels, do the train companies no longer have the means to push/pull a dead train out of the way. Or is this another case like before Christmas when passengers were left on trains for hours, of multiple actors not being able to come to a decision of who does what and when.

    No.  It was still able to move independently and passengers were taken off it fairly quickly at Southall and put on other trains.

    The train was then recessed out of the way in Southall Yard, for several hours, but no longer affecting anything else.

    It was (another) broken rail that caused most of yesterday’s disruption.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 11, 2024, 11:14:37
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Reading and is now 16 minutes late.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


    Suspect it may be this.....causing issues throughout Devon & Cornwall & Paddington-Penzance.

    Hard to believe that 1 person (presumably) being ill can cause such extensive issues.....or given the obvious and evident lack of robustness & resilience throughout the system, perhaps not?

    Due to signalling staff being taken ill at Liskeard all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:30 11/01.

    Train services between Penzance and London Paddington via Plymouth may be cancelled, delayed or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 11, 2024, 11:40:29
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55
    05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:55 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Reading and is now 16 minutes late.
    This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


    Suspect it may be this.....causing issues throughout Devon & Cornwall & Paddington-Penzance.

    Hard to believe that 1 person (presumably) being ill can cause such extensive issues.....or given the obvious and evident lack of robustness & resilience throughout the system, perhaps not?

    Due to signalling staff being taken ill at Liskeard all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:30 11/01.

    Train services between Penzance and London Paddington via Plymouth may be cancelled, delayed or revised.
    Unlikely, but hadn't spotted thue Liskeard issue.
    1A973 ran mostly to time up to Exeter.
    Single digit delays until Thatcham, thereafter arriving Paddington 33 down.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 11, 2024, 12:03:54
    Suspect it may be this.....causing issues throughout Devon & Cornwall & Paddington-Penzance.

    Hard to believe that 1 person (presumably) being ill can cause such extensive issues.....or given the obvious and evident lack of robustness & resilience throughout the system, perhaps not?

    Due to signalling staff being taken ill at Liskeard all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:30 11/01.

    Train services between Penzance and London Paddington via Plymouth may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

    I have split the follow ups into a separate thread at http://www.passenger.chat/28377 as it's not a Thames Valley infrastructure problem ... keeping this thread clean, and avoiding Liskeard issues getting lost in Maidenhead!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 11, 2024, 12:48:34

    The train was then recessed out of the way in Southall Yard, for several hours, but no longer affecting anything else.

    It was (another) broken rail that caused most of yesterday’s disruption.

    My memory, from JounreyCheck (which I know isn't always reliable)k was that the broken rail was affecting trains going towards Paddington. Whilst the broken down train was removed quite quickly, the overhead wires had to be checked and that impacted upon Reading bound services for a lot of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 11, 2024, 13:29:15
    My memory, from JounreyCheck (which I know isn't always reliable)k was that the broken rail was affecting trains going towards Paddington. Whilst the broken down train was removed quite quickly, the overhead wires had to be checked and that impacted upon Reading bound services for a lot of the day.

    The first train through on the Down Main at Southall was the 14:48 PAD-SWA about 2 hours after the incident happened, so not immediately, but not what you’d describe as ‘a lot of the day’ either.

    The broken rail meant the Up Main was closed between Twyford West and Maidenhead for the remainder of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 11, 2024, 13:53:48
    My memory, from JounreyCheck (which I know isn't always reliable)k was that the broken rail was affecting trains going towards Paddington. Whilst the broken down train was removed quite quickly, the overhead wires had to be checked and that impacted upon Reading bound services for a lot of the day.

    The first train through on the Down Main at Southall was the 14:48 PAD-SWA about 2 hours after the incident happened, so not immediately, but not what you’d describe as ‘a lot of the day’ either.

    The broken rail meant the Up Main was closed between Twyford West and Maidenhead for the remainder of the day.

    I'm not sure if it's possible to dig up a cached version of JourneyCheck but it was certainly saying that westbound disruption was expected to 1830 at one point yesterday. And a GWRHelp Tweet at 7.23pm yesterday said " due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30"


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 11, 2024, 14:16:11
    All the trains, and the lines they were on, can be viewed on RTT.  It’s true that some after that Swansea train were still being routed via the relief lines, but others were running through without any delay on the mains, such as this one:

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65726/2024-01-10/detailed#allox_id=0

    The broken rail, meaning trains were presenting late at Paddington or not running east of Reading towards London, was causing more problems.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 11, 2024, 14:29:33
    I'm not sure if it's possible to dig up a cached version of JourneyCheck but it was certainly saying that westbound disruption was expected to 1830 at one point yesterday. And a GWRHelp Tweet at 7.23pm yesterday said " due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30"

    The raw data for our train disruption map is cached - similar to JourneyCheck's normal feed, but service updates only - so we can look back a day or two; it's useful where the map shows a wobbly.   We don't cache line updates so I can't give you a history of expected disruption forecasts and how they extended.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: charles_uk on January 11, 2024, 14:45:46
    I'm not sure if it's possible to dig up a cached version of JourneyCheck but it was certainly saying that westbound disruption was expected to 1830 at one point yesterday. And a GWRHelp Tweet at 7.23pm yesterday said " due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30"

    The raw data for our train disruption map is cached - similar to JourneyCheck's normal feed, but service updates only - so we can look back a day or two; it's useful where the map shows a wobbly.   We don't cache line updates so I can't give you a history of expected disruption forecasts and how they extended.

    Thanks for the comments. I was really wanting to look back at the JourneyCheck text from yesterday evening as I seem to remember it saying something along the lines that electric trains couldn't be run on some of the westbound lines until the overhead wires had been checked overnight. That said, it does seem the later disruption was mainly down to the broken rail.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Ollie on January 12, 2024, 00:47:20
    From what I recall the overheads weren't fully examined until later in the evening. I worked a service leaving Paddington at 20:00 and there was still a requirement to run in diesel as far as Southall to use the Down Main.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 13, 2024, 07:01:44
    A useful summary in Parliament from Teresa May. Hopefully this is the sort of interest and attention which will get the likes of Haines & Hopwoods feet held to the fire and some explanations for the shambolic service over the last few months.

    https://twitter.com/NoelDolphin/status/1745822391601639598?t=ohXHnQW49ZY7FpI2R96C0w&s=19


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 13, 2024, 08:55:10
    A useful summary in Parliament from Teresa May. Hopefully this is the sort of interest and attention which will get the likes of Haines & Hopwoods feet held to the fire and some explanations for the shambolic service over the last few months.

    https://twitter.com/NoelDolphin/status/1745822391601639598?t=ohXHnQW49ZY7FpI2R96C0w&s=19

    It's all very well blaming Haines & Hopwood, but they can't make a can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear.  We all know that under the present arrangements it is the DfT and the Treasury who are micro-managing the railways.

    Government keep saying that revenue has not returned but people are starting to ask whether the reduced number of seats available is suppressing demand and therefore revenue. I would also ask whether reliability due to reduced maintenance is suppressing demand and therefore revenue. 

    There is a theory of the anorexic company that keeps cutting costs and consequently loosing revenue until it ceases to exist.  You could see some element of that in BR.  We are seeing it again here. 


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 13, 2024, 09:21:46
    A useful summary in Parliament from Teresa May. Hopefully this is the sort of interest and attention which will get the likes of Haines & Hopwoods feet held to the fire and some explanations for the shambolic service over the last few months.

    https://twitter.com/NoelDolphin/status/1745822391601639598?t=ohXHnQW49ZY7FpI2R96C0w&s=19

    It's all very well blaming Haines & Hopwood, but they can't make a can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear.  We all know that under the present arrangements it is the DfT and the Treasury who are micro-managing the railways.



    Fine. Then let's hear H & H stand up & say that, and explain what they'd do differently.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ellendune on January 13, 2024, 11:26:07
    It's all very well blaming Haines & Hopwood, but they can't make a can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear.  We all know that under the present arrangements it is the DfT and the Treasury who are micro-managing the railways.

    Fine. Then let's hear H & H stand up & say that, and explain what they'd do differently.

    You know what this government does to people who publicly criticise their policies. Witness the people who have been suddenly disinvited to speak at government organised conferences for criticism of government policies. They would find a pretext to remove First Group and put in an operator of last resort who would led by someone who would not criticise, but may not have the ability that Hopwood undoubtedly has.  Haines would also find himself suddenly out of a job with similar consequences. 

    It is quite possible that behind the scenes they are trying to argue for different policies, but to do so publicly would IMO probably not be helpful. 



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 13, 2024, 11:40:44
    Could make for some interesting autobiographies in the future.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Timmer on January 13, 2024, 12:25:39
    Could make for some interesting autobiographies in the future.
    I’m sure Taplow Green will be at the front of the queue at Mark Hopwood’s book signing.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 15, 2024, 05:18:30
    Not quite Thames Valley?
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Some stations between Reading and Didcot Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway we are unable to run most of our electric stopping train services that run between Didcot Parkway and Reading. As a result Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne and Tilehurst will see fewer trains than usual. During peak times some of our fast services will make additional calls at these stations to maintain customer connections.
    Additional Information
    We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.
    ........
    Last Updated:15/01/2024 04:50


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 15, 2024, 08:40:40
    Not quite Thames Valley?
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Some stations between Reading and Didcot Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway we are unable to run most of our electric stopping train services that run between Didcot Parkway and Reading. As a result Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne and Tilehurst will see fewer trains than usual. During peak times some of our fast services will make additional calls at these stations to maintain customer connections.
    Additional Information
    We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.
    ........
    Last Updated:15/01/2024 04:50

    No service between Marylebone - Oxford today either.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 15, 2024, 09:04:17
    Yesterday the Swindon Advertiser tried to put two and two together and make five.  They confused lift problems at Didcot with engineering work!

    https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24048375.swindon-trains-cancelled-problems-didcot-parkway/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24048375.swindon-trains-cancelled-problems-didcot-parkway/)

    Quote
    Several Swindon train services have been cancelled after problems at a nearby station.

    Trains from Swindon to Didcot Parkway have been cancelled throughout the morning and afternoon of Sunday after an issue at the latter station.

    The lifts linking platforms to the subway at Didcot have failed.

    Services to Reading and Oxford have been affected due to the cancelled links between Swindon and Didcot Parkway.

    Both services usually go via Didcot Parkway but due to the problems, journey times will now be severely extended throughout Sunday.

    Rail replacement buses have been scheduled for Swindonians to reach their affected destinations.

    A spokesperson for Great Western Railway said: “The lifts are out of order between platforms 2, 3, 4 & 5 and the subway at Didcot Parkway station.”

    It is not yet known when the problem will be resolved.

    There had been a disruption between Didcot Parkway and Swindon on Saturday afternoon which lasted until 2.30pm.

    The tracks were inspected and reopened but now due to the lifts issue, Swindonians will face another day of problems trying to travel to Didcot Parkway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 15, 2024, 16:57:35
    Not quite Thames Valley?
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Some stations between Reading and Didcot Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway we are unable to run most of our electric stopping train services that run between Didcot Parkway and Reading. As a result Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne and Tilehurst will see fewer trains than usual. During peak times some of our fast services will make additional calls at these stations to maintain customer connections.
    Additional Information
    We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.
    ........
    Last Updated:15/01/2024 04:50

    An IET shuttle has been put in place by GWR to provide stopping services between Didcot and Reading. Obviously no catering available, but well done to GWR for coming up with a temporary solution as short notice. On the flip side, GWR have also announced that services will be disrupted tomorrow (Tuesday).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 15, 2024, 17:06:45
    Presumably GWR have had to find Train Managers for the shuttle as the 387s normally run driver only but I don't think there is an agreement in place to run the IETs the same way.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 15, 2024, 18:21:19
    Presumably GWR have had to find Train Managers for the shuttle as the 387s normally run driver only but I don't think there is an agreement in place to run the IETs the same way.

    Not if they’re stopping at the local stations, no.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 15, 2024, 18:38:28
    Not quite Thames Valley?
    Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run.
    Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Some stations between Reading and Didcot Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Didcot Parkway we are unable to run most of our electric stopping train services that run between Didcot Parkway and Reading. As a result Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne and Tilehurst will see fewer trains than usual. During peak times some of our fast services will make additional calls at these stations to maintain customer connections.
    Additional Information
    We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.
    ........
    Last Updated:15/01/2024 04:50

    An IET shuttle has been put in place by GWR to provide stopping services between Didcot and Reading. Obviously no catering available, but well done to GWR for coming up with a temporary solution as short notice. On the flip side, GWR have also announced that services will be disrupted tomorrow (Tuesday).

    Is there any indication of the nature of the problem with the OHL?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 15, 2024, 19:02:28
    Quote
    In response to damage to the overhead wires at Didcot Parkway we've had to make some alterations to our service which will persist throughout today (15/01/2024) and continue into tomorrow. As it stands we're altering our service as a result of this incident in the following ways:

    GWR local services between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington will operate between Reading and London Paddington only due to their electric-only ability. This means Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne & Tilehurst will have a much reduced service operated by a 5-car IET shuttling between Didcot Parkway and Reading, details of which can be found below.

    We've currently two additional trains out on the network working additional services to provide a service for the intermediate stations between Reading and Didcot Parkway

    As previously outlined these services will be formed of a 5-car Inter City Express Train (IET) which are not electric-only but also have the ability to run on diesel too, enabling them to operate through areas where the overhead wires are not available.

    These additional trains ensure all stations continue to be served by rail albeit at a reduced frequency.

    As previously mentioned this disruption is expected to continue into tomorrow's service (16/01/2024). Confirmation of this and an outline of the expected train plan will be outlined later this evening. Please check back here for updates as time progresses.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 16, 2024, 06:29:09
    Now ongoing until the end of Wednesday 17

    Would be interesting to understand the nature of the problem if anyone has any knowledge of it?

    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 17/01/24.

    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: oxviem on January 16, 2024, 08:46:02
    Indeed not a good month so far for the Thames Valley.

    Whatever the issue is it does appear to be quite localised - possibly to the platform area? - if difficult to repair.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 16, 2024, 09:28:11
    Only about half the services on the IET shuttle seem to have run this morning. There's been nothing in the down direction since 0730 (it's now 0930).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 16, 2024, 11:05:55
    Trains now running normally between Greenford and West Ealing
    Following a fault with the signalling system between Greenford and West Ealing all lines are now open.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 16, 2024, 15:45:35
    Looks like there was a points failure between Paddington and Ealing too and some services between London-Didcot are turning around at Reading with other Thames Valley alterations too.

    According to National Rail (nothing on Journeycheck) the points issue is now resolved.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on January 16, 2024, 17:15:06
    Interesting FOI return from Network Rail West on Twitter just now.
    Look at how many faults in the one year to November 30, 2023

    https://x.com/mattalexst/status/1747297975678702010?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: stuving on January 16, 2024, 17:54:30
    Interesting FOI return from Network Rail West on Twitter just now.
    Look at how many faults in the one year to November 30, 2023

    If you follow that through to the full data it's on whatDoTheyKnow (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/delays_and_issues_on_gwml_betwee#incoming-2522207).

    The data relate only to the GWML from Paddington to Reading, and there is a similar period of a year four years earlier for comparison. You may be surprised to see significant reductions in disruption due to signals and OHL, though points and rails are worse.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 17, 2024, 06:59:11
    Ongoing ...

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 17/01/24.

    Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading.

    Customer Advice
    -

    Apologies to customers travelling in the Didcot area today.

    -

    In response to damage to the overhead wires at Didcot Parkway we've had to make some alterations to our service which will persist throughout today (16/01/2024). As it stands, we're altering our service because of this incident in the following ways:

    GWR local services between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington will operate between Reading and London Paddington only due to their electric-only ability. This means Cholsey, Goring & Streatley, Pangbourne & Tilehurst will have a much-reduced service operated by a 5-car IET shuttling between Didcot Parkway and Reading, details of which can be found below.

    What's the problem with fixing it?  It's only six years since electric trains started to Didcot!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 17, 2024, 08:45:36
    Conflicting advice today
    Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 17/01/24.

    Trains now running normally between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines have now reopened.

    Trains now running normally between Didcot Parkway and Reading
    Following damage to the overhead electric wires between Didcot Parkway and Reading the line has now reopened.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 17, 2024, 11:00:15
    Yeah, back to normal working AFAIK after defective parts were replaced during an overnight possession.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 17, 2024, 13:18:57
    However, normal service wasn't resumed until after the morning peak. Looking much better now though.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 17, 2024, 17:05:23
    What's the problem with fixing it?  It's only six years since electric trains started to Didcot!!

    Number of factors first is can NR get the track access, the GWML is not 100% electric traction, second are the number of required OLE staff available.

    I suspect its access that was the delay to fixing it


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 17, 2024, 17:15:57
    I suspect its access that was the delay to fixing it

    Yes, I believe the techs needed a block that included the avoiding lines at Didcot to undertake repairs, so it meant no traffic from the Oxford direction unless it reversed via Foxhall Junction.  Because the problem wasn't too disruptive, and the important passenger and freight artery that would be impacted, even if overnight, such a block was delayed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 17, 2024, 18:21:23
    Interesting FOI return from Network Rail West on Twitter just now.
    Look at how many faults in the one year to November 30, 2023

    https://x.com/mattalexst/status/1747297975678702010?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

    Paul Clifton discussing this shambolic performance on BBC South tonight - should be interesting.

    https://x.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1747684542826070332?s=20


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on January 17, 2024, 20:49:55
    It's here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vh1l/south-today-evening-news-17012024

    starts at 7min10sec


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2024, 08:26:24
    Another glorious day on GWR begins.....let's hope those on the stranded trains and waiting on stations wore their thermals today......

    Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Newbury all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:00 18/01.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a points failure between Reading and Newbury all lines are currently blocked until further notice.
    -
    Network Rail have attended and attempted rectification works however these haven't proven successful. The 05:33 Bedwyn to London Paddington service will be forwarded to Reading where it will terminate. The other services currently stuck between Reading and Newbury will then be looked at being moved to the next suitable location.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 18, 2024, 08:49:43
    Another glorious day on GWR begins.....let's hope those on the stranded trains and waiting on stations wore their thermals today......

    And this will affect the Thames Valley services
    Cancellations to services between Taunton and Castle Cary
    Due to a points failure between Taunton and Castle Cary the line is blocked.
    Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/01.
    Customer Advice
    Due to a points failure between Taunton and Castle Cary the line towards Castle Cary is blocked.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: oxviem on January 18, 2024, 10:48:02
    As will the points failing in the Oxford area....

    Brrrrrrrrr


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2024, 18:06:21
    A bit more on the FOI request......

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68009661


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 18, 2024, 19:10:08
    A bit more on the FOI request......

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68009661

    "Brought in external experts" .................... that's  a worry !!!!!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on January 19, 2024, 06:55:32
    A bit more on the FOI request......

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68009661

    "Brought in external experts" .................... that's  a worry !!!!!

    Are DfT/HMT happy with the expenditure on external experts?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on January 19, 2024, 08:25:17
    A bit more on the FOI request......

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68009661

    "Brought in external experts" .................... that's  a worry !!!!!

    Are DfT/HMT happy with the expenditure on external experts?

    They are never happy


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 19, 2024, 09:23:44
    A bit more on the FOI request......

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68009661

    "Brought in external experts" .................... that's  a worry !!!!!

    Are DfT/HMT happy with the expenditure on external experts?

    Given that the issue of the daily collapse of the service is now receiving attention in Parliament and more widely in the media I guess they have to be seen to be doing something or at least making the right noises about it.

    Certainly more noise that Messrs Haines/Hopwood are making about it anyway.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 20, 2024, 16:28:31
    Bonkers indeed............really couldn't make it up, and of course we all know who ends up paying for it.............


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 20, 2024, 18:00:12
    Report at around 18:00

    Quote
    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between Reading and London Paddington all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed by up to 90 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/01.
    Customer Advice
    **Initial report**

    -

    Network Rail confirm that a train has struck a person between Reading and London Paddington. Consequently all lines are blocked.

    -

    Lines will likely remain closed for a minimum of 60 minutes, potentially more depending on incident developments. Following lines reopening there will then be an extended recovery period whilst we recover the timetable.

    Our thoughts with friends, family and staff - and with the person involved if (s)he is still with us. 

    Edit to add - not Infrastuture, but reporting here as this is amongst the wider issues on the London to Reading line that so often lead to severe disruption and must be stopped.  And looking to full acknowledge these events and to discuss / see what can be done without giving them the wider publicity around guests and shares that new threads get.    Member feedback on whether to post here would be welcome.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: GBM on January 24, 2024, 11:39:23
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Westbury
    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between Reading and Westbury all lines are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted between Reading and Westbury. Disruption is expected until 13:00 24/01.
    Customer Advice
    -

    We've received reports of an incident involving a loss of life in the Hungerford area. Subsequently all lines are on stop.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 26, 2024, 13:57:54
    ......from National Rail (nothing on Journeycheck)


    A fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Reading means some lines are blocked. As a result, trains may be cancelled, delayed or revised. This is expected until 14:30.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 26, 2024, 19:37:33
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 20:30 26/01.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on January 27, 2024, 06:22:20
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until 08:00 27/01.

    Train services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading may be revised.
    Customer Advice
    Great Western Railway London Paddington to Newbury Electrostar services may be revised to operate only between Reading and Newbury (and vice versa)
    Customers may travel on alternative services between London Paddington and Reading if needed.
    Elizabeth line are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Reading via Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys


    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway via Reading

    Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until 08:00 27/01.
    Train services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway via Reading may be revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: PhilWakely on January 27, 2024, 09:06:41
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway via Reading

    Apologies for going off on a tangent...... this always amuses me. How else can you get from London Paddington to Newbury or Didcot without going through Reading?  Similarly, the CIS at Exeter St Davids..... "Exmouth via Exeter Central"   ???


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: grahame on January 27, 2024, 09:31:54
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Newbury via Reading

    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway via Reading

    Apologies for going off on a tangent...... this always amuses me. How else can you get from London Paddington to Newbury or Didcot without going through Reading?  Similarly, the CIS at Exeter St Davids..... "Exmouth via Exeter Central"   ???

    Paddington - West Ealing - South Greenford - West Ruislip - Haddenham - Bicester Village - Oxford - Didcot?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on January 27, 2024, 09:42:15
    ..and then the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton.   Oh no.....


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on January 27, 2024, 12:54:08
    Which, after nearly 60 years has finally been replaced by the non-stopping X34 bus. Obviously, no ticket acceptance in place.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 04, 2024, 10:24:59
    Cancellations to services between Bourne End and Marlow

    Due to a points failure between Bourne End and Marlow all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2024, 10:51:03
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading the line is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:45 08/02.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2024, 12:03:35
    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading the line is blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:45 08/02.

    Updated:

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 100 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 08, 2024, 13:11:39
    Not an infrastructure problem.  Perhaps the thread title needs changing?  Removal of 'infrastructure'?

    Thoughts to all those involved in the incident and friends/family of the deceased.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Witham Bobby on February 08, 2024, 13:53:53
    Which is why I started a new thread on the London-Reading page, before noticing that the same sad news had been posted here


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: jamestheredengine on February 09, 2024, 22:03:48
    Not an infrastructure problem.  Perhaps the thread title needs changing?  Removal of 'infrastructure'?

    Thoughts to all those involved in the incident and friends/family of the deceased.
    The frequency of these events on the line through Berkshire makes me think this is an infrastructure problem: there ought to be better physical obstacles to prevent these people from a clearly troubled part of the world from accessing the line. Do we need better fences? Maybe electrified? Maybe topped with razor wire?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 10, 2024, 07:54:51
    Not an infrastructure problem.  Perhaps the thread title needs changing?  Removal of 'infrastructure'?

    Thoughts to all those involved in the incident and friends/family of the deceased.
    The frequency of these events on the line through Berkshire makes me think this is an infrastructure problem: there ought to be better physical obstacles to prevent these people from a clearly troubled part of the world from accessing the line. Do we need better fences? Maybe electrified? Maybe topped with razor wire?

    I believe it's recognised to be a suicide "hotspot" and is recommended as such by the dismal suicide websites on some of the darker parts of the internet, however I am not sure electrified fences with or without razor wire would be the answer.

    Sadly I think if someone is in such an awful place that they have decided to take their own life in such an awful way, such measures would only shift the problem elsewhere on the line.



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 10, 2024, 09:37:14
    Maidenhead station Platform 2 has recently undergone significant works to install fences and gates (which make it nigh on impossible to access a train quickly and which exacerbate crowding on the platform).  Have these been installed as a suicide prevention measure?

    Followup question: what is the logic on these measures as it is still possible to access the platform and, to my knowledge, no one has successfully attempted suicide from the platform in the past decade. All the while other ‘hotspots’ exist throughout the network.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 10, 2024, 10:58:42
    Maidenhead station Platform 2 has recently undergone significant works to install fences and gates (which make it nigh on impossible to access a train quickly and which exacerbate crowding on the platform).  Have these been installed as a suicide prevention measure?

    Followup question: what is the logic on these measures as it is still possible to access the platform and, to my knowledge, no one has successfully attempted suicide from the platform in the past decade. All the while other ‘hotspots’ exist throughout the network.

    It's all part of lessening the risk at the PTI (Platform Train Interface) which is 48% of the total passenger fatality risk on the mainline railway network according to the RSSB: https://www.rssb.co.uk/about-rssb/key-industry-topics/platform-train-interface

    At Maidenhead, when a busy train emptied out on platform 3, the swirling masses would often get uncomfortably close to the edge of platform 2 - where of course trains would flash by at 125mph.  I remember getting an uncomfortable feeling looking in the cab several times in one of those fast trains as people jostled for position to get down the stairs as quickly as possible.

    Similar modifications have been made at other places the same thing happened.  Slough's platforms 1/2 and the island platforms at Hayes and Southall being examples.

    It does also help stop people waiting for a train absent-mindedly chatting on their phones and wandering close to the platform edge - another thing that is guaranteed to get a drivers heart racing - so at station platforms where few trains call it makes very good sense to me.

    You're right in that it doesn't stop people accessing those platform, but it does become a deterrent from doing so.  AIUI little obstacles like that can sometimes break the 'thought chain' of a suicide event, and they definitely allow station staff to better monitor the movement of passengers and reduce the likelihood of a fatality - whether deliberate of accidental.

    In the case of Maidenhead, as you probably know, there's construction work currently underway to replace the lift and create a second stairway down to the subway.  So that should help with any crowding on platform 3, which is usually only during that surge for short periods when trains arrive and empty rather than when passengers are waiting to board.  https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/new-lift-and-staircase-to-improve-access-and-safety-at-maidenhead-station



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Electric train on February 11, 2024, 18:25:13
    Maidenhead station Platform 2 has recently undergone significant works to install fences and gates (which make it nigh on impossible to access a train quickly and which exacerbate crowding on the platform).  Have these been installed as a suicide prevention measure?
    As II has said "Fast Line Safety Fencing" has been a safety measures on the RSSB and ORR list of improvements for a decade or so.  As for accessing a train quickly the RSSB and ORR would put the point you should allow yourself sufficient time to safely board the train.

    Followup question: what is the logic on these measures as it is still possible to access the platform and, to my knowledge, no one has successfully attempted suicide from the platform in the past decade. All the while other ‘hotspots’ exist throughout the network.
    Suicides then not to happen when platforms are busy, its when its quite that these sad events happen, Maidenhead having such a low level of incidents and the planned works posible placed it lower on the list.  There will come a time when the gates will be closed except for the norming peak services and when required when the Main Lines are used for stopping services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: ChrisB on February 11, 2024, 19:28:20
    The would still need an emergency release for when trains are stopped on the Up fast & require evacuation


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2024, 21:55:41
    Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 19, 2024, 15:27:53
    ......getting back to daily events?

    Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:00 19/02.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the signalling system near Ealing Broadway, fewer trains are able to run between Reading and London Paddington, affecting both semi-fast and longer distance services.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 19, 2024, 16:21:20
    And I was thinking last week what a quiet Feb it has been….

    Disruption now until 19.00 with Maidenhead, Slough and Twyford not being served by GWR. Lovely.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2024, 18:00:08
    Disruption now until 19.00 with Maidenhead, Slough and Twyford not being served by GWR. Lovely.

    The semi-fasts resumed with the 12-car 17:51 PAD-DID.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 19, 2024, 18:02:43
    That’s nice.  I followed the advice I was given, boarded a TfL service and have been dumped at Slough, with a 25 min wait for the next service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2024, 20:18:55
    Sorry to hear that, Nick.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 19, 2024, 21:52:33
    Thank you. I’ve had worse, but it’s still frustrating.  Delay Repay claims seem to be taking longer to process these days too. Perhaps it’s a backlog!


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 20, 2024, 14:10:40
    ......and today we have.....

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Maidenhead and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 14:45 20/02.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed.
    Customer Advice
    We're sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A set of points in the Slough area have failed. Points are the moveable sections of track that allow trains to move from one track to another. Network Rail have specialist staff heading to site to investigate and fix the failure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 20, 2024, 17:31:05
    ......and today we have.....

    Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington

    Due to a points failure between Maidenhead and Slough some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 14:45 20/02.

    Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed.
    Customer Advice
    We're sorry for the delay to your journey.

    A set of points in the Slough area have failed. Points are the moveable sections of track that allow trains to move from one track to another. Network Rail have specialist staff heading to site to investigate and fix the failure.

    Plymouth to Reading today.....2 hrs 45 minutes.

    Reading to Taplow 1 hr 30 minutes.

    What a joke this line has become.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2024, 05:04:42
    Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a landslip between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    An issue has arisen with the state of some trees at the side of a cutting between Twyford and Reading where an unstable area of surrounding earth has been observed. Owing to its location it is not an issue that can be easily resolved and until the matter has been addressed two of the four running lines in the area will be taken out of use and the remaining line capacity will not be able to carry the full advertised train service.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: NickB on February 26, 2024, 07:19:26
    Sounds serious and could take a significant period of time to resolve dependent upon the site and the unstable area.

    Sheet piling as preventative reinforcement could take weeks to design and install - should that be assessed to be necessary.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 26, 2024, 12:59:18
    It appears that a tree has fallen on the OLE at Burnham (a beech perhaps?)

    Quote
    Following a tree blocking the railway between Maidenhead and London Paddington some lines are now open.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to a tree touching the overheads wires & a fire at Burnham Railway station, trains between Maidenhead to London Paddington will be delayed.

    9U51 is currently at a stand on the up relief.

    It looks like there's now effectively a two-track railway between Reading and Paddington.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 26, 2024, 16:02:23
    And now a no-track railway. A complete block while the orange army attempt some tree felling. That's the evening peak broken.

    Quote
    Due to a landslip between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be blocked.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Network Rail advise that there has been a minor landslip in the Sonning area, between Twyford and Reading, which has caused a lineside tree to become unsafe. This affects the high speed lines.
    Network Rail will close all 4 lines between Reading and London Paddington between 16:15 and 17:15 to affect removal of the tree and associated works, this will lead to disruption on all routes that operate between Reading and London Paddington.
    Services from the West Country, Bristol Temple Meads, South Wales and Gloucester/Cheltenham Spa may be terminated at Reading and start back from there.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2024, 16:03:27
    It appears that a tree has fallen on the OLE at Burnham (a beech perhaps?)

    Quote
    Following a tree blocking the railway between Maidenhead and London Paddington some lines are now open.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to a tree touching the overheads wires & a fire at Burnham Railway station, trains between Maidenhead to London Paddington will be delayed.

    9U51 is currently at a stand on the up relief.

    It looks like there's now effectively a two-track railway between Reading and Paddington.

    Network Rail closing all lines between Reading & Paddington from 1615-1715 to remove the tree.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 26, 2024, 16:28:36
    It appears that a tree has fallen on the OLE at Burnham (a beech perhaps?)

    Quote
    Following a tree blocking the railway between Maidenhead and London Paddington some lines are now open.
    Impact:
    Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
    Customer Advice:
    Due to a tree touching the overheads wires & a fire at Burnham Railway station, trains between Maidenhead to London Paddington will be delayed.

    9U51 is currently at a stand on the up relief.

    It looks like there's now effectively a two-track railway between Reading and Paddington.

    Network Rail closing all lines between Reading & Paddington from 1615-1715 to remove the tree.

    Different tree I think. GWR stating that this is the Sonning Cutting tree. The Burnham one appears to have sufficiently combusted for the up relief to be open.

    Paddington is now fully stacked with services ready to go after the block is lifted.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bobm on February 26, 2024, 16:40:59
    Block at Sonning delayed until 17:00 to allow trains held up by the overhead tripping at Hayes to clear.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 26, 2024, 17:04:56
    Block at Sonning delayed until 17:00 to allow trains held up by the overhead tripping at Hayes to clear.

    Tree in contact with the overheads near Acton which is causing the overheads to trip.

    GWR are in total meltdown and their hugely under staffed Control is being shown up yet again


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 26, 2024, 17:16:53
    Nothing moving out of Paddington until 19:00 now.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2024, 18:07:27
    Now just saying  "all lines will be blocked..... disruption is expected until the end of the day....."

    No time given for any resumption tonight?


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 26, 2024, 18:11:50
    Quote
    Following a landslip between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be reopened shortly.

    However, the evening schedule is now toast, so GWR have arranged ticket acceptance with Chiltern, WMR and Avanti.

    Up and Down Main appear to be blocked between Hanwell and Ealing Broadway too, so that's going to scupper any resemblance of recovery.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 26, 2024, 18:27:01
    Now just saying  "all lines will be blocked..... disruption is expected until the end of the day....."

    No time given for any resumption tonight?

    1830 Weston followed by 1836 Plymouth look like the first two to depart Paddington.

    Line blocks all lifted outside of Padd.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Mark A on February 26, 2024, 18:32:55
    I was thinking last night that there was a malevolent set to the wind which also, was from the east south east, not the most common of directions for what was quite a sustained blow. It possibly contributed to loosening the hold of trees growing on the north side of the cutting at Sonning. Photos from Network Rail Western are curious too, several trees on a slope and leaning into the line, it's surprising that they were tolerated.

    Mark


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2024, 18:43:52
    I was thinking last night that there was a malevolent set to the wind which also, was from the east south east, not the most common of directions for what was quite a sustained blow. It possibly contributed to loosening the hold of trees growing on the north side of the cutting at Sonning. Photos from Network Rail Western are curious too, several trees on a slope and leaning into the line, it's surprising that they were tolerated.

    Mark

    Ah.....the wrong type of wind?  ;)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 26, 2024, 21:38:14
    In somewhat timely manner, Tuesday 27th at 1830 Paul Clifton is presenting a report on BBC South regional news on the shambolic state of the Paddington-Reading service/infrastructure.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 26, 2024, 22:02:59
    In somewhat timely manner, Tuesday 27th at 1830 Paul Clifton is presenting a report on BBC South regional news on the shambolic state of the Paddington-Reading service/infrastructure.

    After repeated attempts at taking a block to sort this tree out at Sonning, on the third or fourth attempt they took a block at 17:15. 30 minutes later they lifted the block because they realised they couldn’t complete the required work. It’s going to be done overnight now.
    The evening peak destroyed for no good reason. Someone at NR is going to have some serious explaining to do in the morning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: nickswift99 on February 26, 2024, 22:10:26
    Now it's after 2200, the timetable of the day for tomorrow still assumes a 4 track railway (Didcot and Newbury semi-fasts are still in the timetable).

    Either NR are certain it's going to get fixed, or there's going to be a huge amount of delay repay again.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: Birdie100 on February 26, 2024, 22:39:59
    I’ve noticed a strange blue flashing light on the overhead lines the last couple of nights on the main line just outside Charvil driving past. Can anyone elaborate what that is? I assume it relates to the plant being delivered to site. Initially I thought it was a police car or similar but presume it must relate to the main lines being closed at Sonning.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: a-driver on February 26, 2024, 23:05:07
    I’ve noticed a strange blue flashing light on the overhead lines the last couple of nights on the main line just outside Charvil driving past. Can anyone elaborate what that is? I assume it relates to the plant being delivered to site. Initially I thought it was a police car or similar but presume it must relate to the main lines being closed at Sonning.

    Indicates to those working on the lines that the overhead lines have been isolated.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 27, 2024, 07:29:56
    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bourne End and Marlow, all lines are blocked.

    Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: bradshaw on February 27, 2024, 08:08:29
    Things have now come to a head it seems with route renewals
    Quote
      Network Rail has announced a recovery plan for the Reading-London Paddington route after months of poor performance.
    It made national headlines when broken wires left 4,000 passengers stranded on trains for four hours at night, near Ladbroke Grove, on 7 December.
    Most passengers had to walk along the tracks to reach safety. There have also been a spate of failures, including broken rails and signalling faults.
    The route is now set to be overhauled in three phases over 18 months.

    For the next four weeks, there will be fewer trains late at night, while engineers carry out remedial work to the tracks, signalling and overhead wires.
    For the last couple of hours each evening, only two of the four tracks will be open.
    A six month period of work to stabilise performance, will follow, then a year-long programme to put long-term solutions in place.
    Beyond that, the overhead wires will be replaced in west London. They are 30 years old and were installed when the Heathrow Express began.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-68402089



    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 27, 2024, 10:12:56
    Now it's after 2200, the timetable of the day for tomorrow still assumes a 4 track railway (Didcot and Newbury semi-fasts are still in the timetable).

    Either NR are certain it's going to get fixed, or there's going to be a huge amount of delay repay again.

    Looks like it was all fixed.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 28, 2024, 20:02:35
    Now it's after 2200, the timetable of the day for tomorrow still assumes a 4 track railway (Didcot and Newbury semi-fasts are still in the timetable).

    Either NR are certain it's going to get fixed, or there's going to be a huge amount of delay repay again.

    Looks like it was all fixed.

    Perhaps not

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

    Due to a landslip between Twyford and Reading fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

    Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled, delayed or revised.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on February 29, 2024, 11:20:09
    Still ongoing......

    Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
    Due to a landslip between London Paddington and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:30 29/02.

    Customer Advice
    We're sorry for the delay to your journey this morning.
    -
    Due to a landslip near the railway in the Twyford area, Network Rail need to access the railway to make the area safe. This means they will need to close one of the 4 lines that run through the area for 1 hour from 10:15.
    -
    Some local stopping trains between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington will be terminated and started back from Reading. Customers at Twyford travelling towards Reading may wish to travel to Maidenhead and then circulate back to Reading


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: CyclingSid on March 02, 2024, 06:59:59
    ...

    Due to a landslip between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

    ...

    The Orange Army was out yesterday (Friday)afternoon at the layby on the Shepherds Hill roundabout, east of Reading. Clearing vegetation from Sonning Cutting. Possibly just a speed restriction remaining https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-68449788 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-68449788)


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 04, 2024, 08:51:10
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough

    Due to a broken rail between Reading and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 04/03.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2024, 09:00:28
    Cancellations to services between Reading and Maidenhead

    Due to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead fewer trains are able to run on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading.
     Some stations between Reading and London Paddington will not be served. Disruption is expected until 09:15 06/03.
    Customer Advice
    Apologies to customers. Owing to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead we have fewer railway lines available to use.


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 17, 2024, 09:15:09
    Delays to services between Reading and Maidenhead

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 17/03.


    .....also overrunning engineering works.

    Customer Advice

    Due to an engineering over-run trains will be delayed near Ladbroke Grove ( Between London Paddington - Reading).


    Title: Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014
    Post by: TaplowGreen on March 17, 2024, 13:33:02

    Delays to services between Southall and London Paddington

    Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

    Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 17/03.

    Customer Advice
    Due to a fault with the signalling system trains maybe delayed near Southall (Down Main Lines).



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