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Title: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: grahame on November 16, 2014, 09:59:06
Once again this morning, Melksham is shocked by the news of a local road accident, and the death of a young man who lived around here after far, far to short a life.  The official online coverage I've seen hasn't named the person killed, nor the one in critical condition airlifted to hospital or the walking wounded.  But talking to my team at work, they know who it is - and they were at school together, if not close chums.

One of the people posting on Facebook nearly lost a member of her family in a a road accident within the last year, and knows those involved, and not too long ago, three youngish blokes who had been working at the sports and social club that backs onto the station's land were killed when their car left the road and burst into flames.  The lamppost ouside Cooper Tires claimed a victim quite recently where the road bends but a car went straight ahead, and the concrete blocks added to the bypass bridge over the river Avon are because a car went off the road and another young man was killed, though I do ask myself would he have survived had he hit the concrete anyway?

Reaction to a single incident - "knee-jerk" - results in bad decisions, and in shutting the door after the horse has bolted but I find myself wondering this morning what might / can / should be done to reduce this terrible toll.  I'm very conscious that many of the people I saw on the overcrowded train from Swindon back via Melksham yesterday after the match were being sensible and letting someone else drive, and I'm also conscious that whilst some of the casualties I mention above were of questionable state, some (perhaps the majority) were 'salt of the earth' and had never put a foot wrong - in the wrong place at the wrong time, alas.   I offer no immediate solutions - I suggest that we should reflect and look at how we do things and actually do those things after that reflection.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: ChrisB on November 16, 2014, 12:04:29
Raise the driving test age to 21


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: ellendune on November 16, 2014, 13:08:34
The Police do a speed awareness course for some first time offenders. What about making this part of the driving test process along with a drink awareness course.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 16, 2014, 13:19:07
The Police do a speed awareness course for some first time offenders. What about making this part of the driving test process along with a drink awareness course.

Because having done the speed awareness course about 6 years ago it was waste of time.  ;D

My course was presented by a chap with a boring monotone voice. There was no content to illustrate what they were trying to tell us.
It consisted of telling us the stopping distances at each speed in different weathers. Meaningless in a class room environment without footage for example.
Did it stop me driving fast? No. spinning my car into a hedge stopped me driving fast about 18 months after the course. (I wasn't speeding at the time I spun, I was doing 55 in a 60 zone, which although legal was inappropriate for the very wet conditions)
I think if they had shown horrific pictures and footage on my speed awareness course it would have been more effective. Perhaps a case study with someone who has life changing injuries.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: John R on November 16, 2014, 13:30:08
It is maybe surprising to know that in the last decade the number of fatalities has halved, but at 1700 pa is still far too many. The number of injuries has also fallen, by a third.

I'm guessing that continual improvements in car design is the main driver for the reduction, with another possibility being the more recent introduction of technology to monitor younger drivers for whom insurance had become unaffordable.

It's worth noting that in the last ten years only one passenger onboard a train has been killed as a result of an accident (Graygrigg). I wonder when assessing the relative merits of investment in road and rail if this stark contrast is taken into consideration.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2014, 17:01:49
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30073642):

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Melksham crash leaves man dead and driver critically injured

A teenager was killed and another man critically injured in a two-vehicle crash in Wiltshire.

A Citroen Saxo car and a van crashed at 15:00 GMT on Saturday in Forest Lane, near Melksham.

A 19-year-old man from the local area, who was a passenger in the car, died at the scene.

The driver, 22, from Melksham, is in a critical but stable condition in hospital.

Police appealed for the drivers of two cars which did not stop at the scene to contact them. "Three cars were travelling towards Melksham in close proximity to each other," said PC Peter Williamson, from Wiltshire Police. "When the Saxo was involved in the collision, the other two cars did not stop at the scene. It is imperative that the drivers of the two cars come forward as soon as possible to assist us with our enquiries."

The male driver of the van, 25, from the Trowbridge area, was taken to hospital where he was described as walking wounded, police said.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: onthecushions on November 16, 2014, 18:15:16

Not to forget 5 killed on A630 near Doncaster, 2, 18 year olds, 3, 16 year olds.

OTC


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: phile on November 16, 2014, 19:18:47
It's not the capability of driving a car that is the problem, but the manner in which it is being driven.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: onthecushions on November 17, 2014, 17:35:24
I often wonder what is the purpose of teaching and minutely examing new drivers' balletic pirouettes like 3-point turns and reversing into gaps while neglecting habits of caution, good manners, conservative driving etc.

I think it may come down to the limited minds of our DfT mandarins and ministers, with which we are only too familiar.

How many young drivers are killed each year backing into parking spaces etc?

OTC



Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 17, 2014, 18:14:01
I often wonder what is the purpose of teaching and minutely examing new drivers' balletic pirouettes like 3-point turns and reversing into gaps while neglecting habits of caution, good manners, conservative driving etc.

I think it may come down to the limited minds of our DfT mandarins and ministers, with which we are only too familiar.

How many young drivers are killed each year backing into parking spaces etc?

OTC



Anyone can put on a show for a 40 minute test (as long as they can drive) Its insufficient in my opinion.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Phil on November 17, 2014, 18:33:21
thanks... it took me three attempts!!


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: bobm on November 23, 2014, 16:11:15
Sad to report a week on, a 21 year old has died in a road accident in Savernake Forest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30168422 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30168422)

Three others in the car seriously hurt, a fourth with minor injuries.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Tim on December 03, 2014, 10:19:24
I'm guessing that continual improvements in car design is the main driver for the reduction, with another possibility being the more recent introduction of technology to monitor younger drivers for whom insurance had become unaffordable.

Another contribution is advances in emergency medicine and air ambulances.  More people who get seriously injured go on to survive than used to be the case.  This is also a partial reason for the fall in murder rate.  People still get stabbed in fights but with better emergency care (and CCTV cameras which alert the authorities quickly)  more of them get patched up more quickly and more skilfully and few die.



Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 05, 2014, 21:59:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2862502/Hundreds-turn-car-crash-teenager-s-funeral-dress-trademark-pink-dressing-gown-celebrate-sense-style.html
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Mourners at a teenager's funeral paid tribute to his favourite item of clothing - by wearing pink polka dot dressing gowns.

Max Lewis, 19, of Melksham in Wiltshire, died when the car driven by his friend Dan Palmer, 22, collided with a van.

His grieving mother Nicola, 50, had asked mourners to wear something that showed her son's 'sense of style'.

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Mourners at a funeral for teenager Max Lewis paid tribute to his favourite item of clothing - by wearing pink polka dot dressing gowns

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Grieving friends had been asked to come along to the service wearing something that showed her Max's 'sense of style'

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Max Lewis (pictured), 19, of Melksham in Wiltshire, died when the car driven by his friend Dan Palmer, 22, collided with a van

Dozens of friends donned pink hooded dressing gowns - one of the teenager's trademark outfits - including the pallbearers and even the reverend.

Speaking to the gathering of 450 friends, a tearful Ms Lewis said: 'You always had a strong sense of who you are.

'You were determined, adventurous and playful, funny, mischievous and energetic and very caring. You have left a huge gaping hole in our lives and hearts.'

She added: 'Please young people, try to keep yourselves safe, because it is just too hard to lose you.'

Max was a passenger in a red Citroen Saxo which collided with a white Renault Master van on November 15.

Driver Dan Palmer suffered a punctured lung and broken pelvis and had to undergo extensive surgery following the smash, but is now recovering at home.

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Dozens of friends donned pink hooded dressing gowns - one of the teenager's trademark outfits - including the pallbearers and even the reverend

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Locals wearing the pink hooded fleeces and carrying single roses lined the streets approaching St Michael's Church in Melksham before packing out the service

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As well as the dressing gowns mourners wore wristbands which said 'Max Lewis Gone but never forgotten RIP 09/01/1995 - 15/11/2014'

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The ceremony contained hymns and bible readings and ended with Rev Ren^e Coulson donning a matching pink gown before Bob Marley's Three Little Birds was played

Locals wearing the pink hooded fleeces and carrying single roses lined the streets approaching St Michael's Church in Melksham before packing out the service.

As well as the dressing gowns they wore wristbands which said 'Max Lewis Gone but never forgotten RIP 09/01/1995 - 15/11/2014'.

The ceremony contained hymns and bible readings and ended with Rev Ren^e Coulson donning a matching pink gown before Bob Marley's Three Little Birds was played.

Two men - aged 18 and 25 - have been released on bail until January pending further investigations into the car crash.



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Fixed that for you. Thanks for posting. CfN.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: ChrisB on December 06, 2014, 09:36:03
Another fatal crash in/near Westbury claimed 3 more last night, reported on 5Live this morning


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: grahame on December 06, 2014, 09:54:32
Another fatal crash in/near Westbury claimed 3 more last night, reported on 5Live this morning

From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30358620)

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Three people have died after a crash between a car and a lorry.

They were in the car when the collision happened on the Quartermaster Road at West Wiltshire Trading Estate in Westbury, Wiltshire, on Friday night.

The road was closed by police for seven hours while they dealt with the accident, which happened at 22:30 GMT.

22:30 on the Trading Estate.   May be a co-incidence, but there's at least one night club there.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: grahame on December 06, 2014, 11:37:31
From the Wiltshire Times (http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/NEWS/11650292.Three_men_killed_after_car_hits_parked_lorry_near_Westbury/) - with photos

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Three young men have died following a crash at the West Wiltshire Trading Estate in Westbury last night.

The collision was reported to police just before 10.30pm and involved two vehicles.

Three passengers were travelling in a silver Citroen Saxo which hit a blue articulated lorry and the men were pronounced dead at the scene.

It is thought that this 44-tonne lorry was parked.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: grahame on December 07, 2014, 21:02:35
http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/11650973.Picture_Gallery__Floral_tributes_to_Jordan_Taylor__Nathan_Cox_and_Chad_McVeigh_at_scene_of_Westbury_tragedy/

Take a look ... anything strike you as revealing amongst the tributes?


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 07, 2014, 21:06:48
Hmmm.  :-X


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 07, 2014, 22:09:41
Struggling not to jump to conclusions on this one. Knowing what mates and myself used to do on empty industrial estates when we 17/18.

I dont think it's appropriate them posting pictures of the wrecked car on there though.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 13, 2014, 19:39:53
From the Wiltshire Gazette and Herald (http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/11658108.We_are_all_distraught_we_were_unable_to_save_them__says_Wiltshire_chief_constable/?ref=ar):

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We are all distraught we were unable to save them, says Wiltshire chief constable

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Chief Constable Patrick Geenty

Chief Constable Patrick Geenty made an appeal for young drivers to take more care today.

He said: "To all the young drivers in Wiltshire, I am writing to you with a simple plea. As a parent and as a chief constable, please be safe on Wiltshire^s roads.

"In the last few weeks, five young people have been killed in collisions in our county. Many families will not be able to hold their sons, grandsons, friends and relatives this Christmas.

"I am deeply saddened by these deaths. The impact has not only rocked local communities but it has affected my officers who have been on the scene dealing with these tragic incidents.

"Whether a police officer, a paramedic or a fireman, we are all human and return home each day totally distraught that we were unable to save these young men.

"I want to ask all young people to take action ^ be responsible drivers and don^t take any risks with your safety. I urge everyone to take personal responsibility. Ensure your vehicle is roadworthy and you are in a fit and alert condition to drive.

"I ask you to think how you would feel if, as a result of your actions a passenger, a friend, relative or loved one, was seriously killed or injured.

"At this time of the year it is easy to become distracted and feel invincible to the risks and dangers you face on the roads.

"It is a simple request that we can all help with. So I ask all young people in Wiltshire, all parents, relatives and the friends and families who have lost a loved one, to help me in my plea to young drivers to stay safe this Christmas.

"None of us want to see another tragic death on Wiltshire^s roads."


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: broadgage on December 14, 2014, 14:15:33
The dangers of drinking and driving are well known, but a worrying number of drivers still chance it, or drive just about legally after modest drinking which still impairs judgment.
I feel that the drink driving limit should be reduced to that prevailing in much of Europe, and recently adopted in Scotland.

Some young victims were completely sober  and simply drove too fast for the conditions, especially on bends or in wet conditions.
Various devices are available that monitor the speed of a vehicle and compare it with the speed limit, wider use of such would help somewhat.

Other accidents occur at speeds that were legal but unwise, many country roads are dangerous at the general 60MPH limit, and other narrow urban roads are dangerous at 30.
In a great many cases I feel that speed limits should be reduced to 40MPH on most rural roads and to 20 in most urban areas. This would not be appropriate in every case, but IMHO these should be the default limits unless the police or other competent authority determine that a higher limit is safe, for example on relatively straight and wide roads.

A general reduction in speed limits would significantly reduce danger to horses, pedestrians and cyclists.

Imagine the outrage if trains were routinely driven at such a speed that they regularly crashed with fatal results !


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 14, 2014, 14:48:19
The opinion that I am about to express is not about this specific incident but about drink driving in general irrespective of the age of the driver.

Isn't part of the problem with having any amount of alcohol beverage before drinking ithat the effects (if any) will vary from person to person? What I'm saying is for example if two different drivers have the same drink it is possible that it may have more of an effect on one than the other ?

It could be argued that the only safe limit is no alcohol at all but then you get into the discussion regarding how long it should be left after a drink before it is safe to drive.

I guess some of us who have had a drink or 3 at night have decided not to drive that night but have got in the car the morning after whilst still being over the limit.



Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: broadgage on December 14, 2014, 17:00:06
A zero alcohol limit for driving would not be reasonable since firstly it would outlaw driving for a very long time after drinking when only a minute and harmless trace of alcohol remains.
Secondly many foods and some soft drinks contain minute traces of alcohol, almost certainly of no consequence for driving, but still detectable with modern lab technology.

Do we really want to outlaw driving 12 hours after drinking a single pint of beer ? by any common sense standards, one would be fit to drive 12 hours after a single drink, but a barely detectable trace remains.

Do we really want to outlaw driving after eating ripe fruit, or bread ? Both contain detectable traces of alcohol.

I would however strongly support a lower limit than is the case at present. Reducing the drink drive limit to that prevailing in much of Europe and now in Scotland has the merit of being simple and readily understood.

In the longer term a still lower limit has its merits, but a zero limit, no way for the reasons already given.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 14, 2014, 17:47:29
The road safety charity (Brake???) have recently said the lowest the limit could be is 20 (units?) without punishing trace.

Mouthwash is the most common every day item that contains a trace of alcohol.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: ChrisB on December 14, 2014, 21:08:20
I'd support that limit


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 14, 2014, 21:29:48
I'd support that limit

I certainly would as well. I haven't drunk any alcohol for over 12 months. I was given a routine breath test about a month ago after a minor traffic collision- someone went into the back of me- why they needed to breath test me I don't know.
The breath test gave a reading of 5 (sorry cant remember the units). I actually had a chat with the police officer about how I gave a reading when I hadn't drunk any alcohol for so long. He told me a list of example products with trace element- some of them were unbelievable, and certainly wouldn't contemplate such products containing alcohol.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: broadgage on December 19, 2014, 05:57:30
I'd support that limit

And so would I, though I feel that in the near term that a more modest reduction to the limit currently prevailing in much of Europe is more achievable.
A more drastic reduction that would effectively prohibit rather than merely limit drink driving would be preferable IMHO, but might not be achievable in the near term.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 19, 2014, 10:47:33
The breath test gave a reading of 5 (sorry cant remember the units). I actually had a chat with the police officer about how I gave a reading when I hadn't drunk any alcohol for so long. He told me a list of example products with trace element- some of them were unbelievable, and certainly wouldn't contemplate such products containing alcohol.

The body actually produces alcohol, in small volumes, so I think a reading of zero is pretty rare.  Indeed in some cases you can produce larger volumes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome)

What a cracking name for a condition!   :D


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 20, 2014, 01:24:07
Returning, if I may, to the original topic - and as another very sad reminder of the consequences of anyone driving while under the influence of excess alcohol - from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-30553947):

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Bethany Mackie jailed over Christian Smith's death on charity ride

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Christian Smith was on a 24-hour "Kent Epic" fundraising ride

A teenager who killed a cyclist during a charity bike ride has been sentenced to five years in prison.

Bethany Mackie, 18, was more than twice the legal alcohol limit when her car hit Christian Smith, 38, from behind.

He was cycling alongside his wife on the last leg of a 24-hour, 248-mile ride across Kent and Sussex on 22 March.

The father of three was pronounced dead at the scene on the A2990 Old Thanet Way, near Chestfield, Whitstable.

Mackie, of Beltinge Road, Herne Bay, had previously admitted causing death by dangerous driving and driving with excess alcohol.

She was sentenced at Canterbury Crown Court.

The court heard after she crashed into Mr Smith she carried on up the road for 400 metres.

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Bethany Mackie was more than twice the legal drink-drive limit

A black box device fitted by Mackie's insurance firm to her car revealed she had been driving at up to 76mph on the 60mph road moments before the crash.

Mr Smith's widow Katie Smith read a victim impact statement before the sentencing. She said: "I was alone with him on that road and I tried desperately to save him, but I couldn't. This is something I will always feel guilty for. A short time later I had to wake up my 12, nine and five-year-old to tell them that their daddy was dead.

"The sounds that they made can only be described as horrifying. I have heard that sound many times over the last few months - from my own mouth as well as theirs."

Mr Smith was raising money for the mental health charity Mind. More than ^82,000 has been raised on his JustGiving webpage, eclipsing his ^1,000 target figure.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Brucey on December 20, 2014, 09:08:26
There are more details given in the Daily Mail article, which I won't quote as it is quite lengthy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2880966/Teenage-drink-driver-jailed-killing-father-three-complete-248-mile-charity-bike-ride.html

I personally don't think any new laws would prevent this happening again.  The only solution is to change attitudes.  We've managed to do that with seatbelts, hopefully people will learn sooner or later that drink driving is unacceptable.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Alan Pettitt on December 20, 2014, 20:25:18
I also personally do not think that lowering the limit would reduce deaths or accidents; most drivers who have accidents due to alcohol are already (well) over the present limit. A lower limit would simply mean that they would be over the new limit by a greater amount. Only with a progressive change in attitude and driver responsibility will the accident numbers fall.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 20, 2014, 20:32:06
I also personally do not think that lowering the limit would reduce deaths or accidents; most drivers who have accidents due to alcohol are already (well) over the present limit. A lower limit would simply mean that they would be over the new limit by a greater amount. Only with a progressive change in attitude and driver responsibility will the accident numbers fall.

But are they breaking the limit because they believe they can have a few and still be under the limit?
If the limit is low, will they still take that risk of thinking a few are still under the limit.
When I was 18/19 I had in my head that 2 pints was just under the limit. So if I had the car I had 2 pints. Now I wouldn't dream of it!


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: bobm on December 20, 2014, 20:58:27
I am probably biased, but I have had two car accidents.  Both involved uninsured drunk drivers.  As a result of the second one my vision is affected and I can no longer drive.

To add insult to injury a third uninsured drunk driver then crashed into my house.

In most people's minds drinking and driving is unacceptable, but there is still a small minority who ignore the warnings, the guidelines and the laws.  I believe they will attempt to drive come what may.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 09, 2015, 18:32:55
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-32225199):

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Two charged over Melksham fatal crash

Two men have been charged with causing death by dangerous driving after a road crash that killed a teenager from Melksham.

Max Lewis, 19, was killed on 15 November, in Forest Lane near Melksham.

Julian Drew, 26, and Connor Forrester, 18, who are both from the local area, have been remanded in custody.

A third man, aged 22, has also been summonsed to court to face a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

The 22-year-old had been interviewed by detectives but had not been arrested, Wiltshire Police said.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 09, 2015, 18:50:42
There must be more to it if they are remanded in custody?


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: ChrisB on April 09, 2015, 19:03:00
One car, one driver but three charged?


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 09, 2015, 19:30:12
One car, one driver but three charged?

I wont speculate with this incident, but there was a similar thing with an incident down here in Cornwall about 2-3 years ago.

One car crashed, but on investigation the police discovered the fatally crashed car, was "racing" 3 other cars. Even those cars didn't crash they were prosecuted for causing death, I cant remember whether it was dangerous or careless though.


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 09, 2015, 19:43:52
One car, one driver but three charged?

From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30073642):
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Police appealed for the drivers of two cars which did not stop at the scene to contact them. "Three cars were travelling towards Melksham in close proximity to each other," said PC Peter Williamson, from Wiltshire Police. "When the Saxo was involved in the collision, the other two cars did not stop at the scene. It is imperative that the drivers of the two cars come forward as soon as possible to assist us with our enquiries."

There are your three drivers.  :-X


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 19, 2015, 01:03:44
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-34266797):

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Melksham crash: Driver guilty of causing Max Lewis' death

The driver of a car that crashed, killing a 19-year-old passenger, has been convicted of causing death by careless or inconsiderate driving.

Max Lewis was a passenger in a Citroen Saxo when it collided with a van near Melksham, in Wiltshire, on 15 November.

Driver, Dan Palmer, 23, from Melksham, pleaded guilty to causing his death at Swindon Crown Court. He was acquitted of causing death by dangerous driving.

He was bailed to return to the court at a later date for sentencing.

Connor Forrester, 19, and Julian Drew, 26, both from Melksham, also faced a charge of causing death by dangerous driving but were acquitted.

Forrester was convicted of dangerous driving and Drew, who was acquitted of dangerous driving, faces a hearing at a later date for offences of disqualified driving.

Following the trial Sgt Barrie Card, from Wiltshire Police, said speed had been a "factor in this collision".

"This incident shows that driving too fast can have tragic consequences," he said. "There was no need for this incident along a quiet country road on a Saturday afternoon."


Title: Re: The toll of young men on Melksham's roads
Post by: Penzance-Paddington on October 05, 2015, 15:10:54
I think this thread is in the wrong place. It belongs in 'The West but not the West's trains' section.



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