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Title: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: Oxman on April 08, 2015, 04:45:28 pm
It never rains..............................

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32214430


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: stuving on April 08, 2015, 05:02:30 pm
It never rains..............................

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32214430

Eh? How does that work?

Given these trains were reversing at Banbury, which route each went down will have been up to the signallers, not the driver. So if the train went back where it had come from, it's a signalling error. If the crew were in the wrong train, and it was routed correctly, they may have still come back but that return to Banbury would have been just back-tracking for the train. Not something RTT can tell us about, though.

And no mention of it being a rare diversion and umfamiliar working for the crew.


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First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury

A rail company has apologised after a train crew boarded a wrong train and took passengers back in the direction they had come from.
The First Great Western (FGW) driver and train manager boarded the Paddington to Swansea train at Banbury, instead of the London-bound service.
FGW confirmed they soon realised their mistake and returned to Banbury as it was "the simplest thing to do".
The mix-up, on Monday evening, caused knock-on delays to other services.
BBC producer Callum May who was travelling to Bristol at the time, tweeted there was an announcement explaining what had happened and the train eventually arrived in Bristol about 30 minutes late.
A spokesman for First Great Western said: "We are really sorry. Unfortunately the train crew boarded the wrong train.
"Realising the mistake the simplest thing to do to prevent further delays was to return them to Banbury to take the correct train forward. We would ask anyone caught up in this delay to get in touch."


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2015, 05:19:57 pm
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The First Great Western (FGW) driver and train manager boarded the Paddington to Swansea train at Banbury, instead of the London-bound service.

One assumes they were both penalty fared for travelling on the wrong train.  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: ChrisB on April 08, 2015, 05:25:58 pm
Eh? How does that work?

If the crew were in the wrong train, and it was routed correctly, they may have still come back but that return to Banbury would have been just back-tracking for the train. Not something RTT can tell us about, though.

Indeed. This is what happened. Doesn't say how far back towards Oxford they got. Driver would have had to contacted the signaller when he realised he hadn't been sent down the Chiltern line but routed to Oxford....so somewhere south of Kings Sutton. Whether there is a crossover at Aynho Junction (assuming they hadn't sauiled past - quite possible) or they got to Oxford & returned again, who knows?

2 trains each way at Banbury meant 4 tph through platform 1 - it was very busy there!


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: stuving on April 08, 2015, 06:05:48 pm
Right. So say it was 1B79, due into Banbury from London at 18:37 but came in 5 minutes early. The reverse working 1L76 was due to leave for London at 18:33, but was running 45 minutes late, and the driver for that one took 1B79 instead. And didn't notice until Aynho Junction (or its signal).  So the mistake would be the crew's, or perhaps more likely the station staff who directed them.

Presumably some passengers didn't know about the reversal and would have thought they went off in the wrong direction. And some reporters just repeat what observers tell them, without checking.


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: ChrisB on April 08, 2015, 06:15:26 pm
No chance the station staff would know which crew were taking (or supposed to take) which train.

They would see the train was crewed, due (or overdue) to leave, and despatched it.

The pax wouldn't know any different until it ground to a halt - it was due to leave in the direction it did & didn't go 'wrong'.

Ditto the signallers who saw a train leave on time signalled in the direction it was due to leave in. It was only the crew that was on the wrong train.

So the train had to return to Banbury in order to offload the wrong crew & presumably load the right crew who were I guess, rather bemused by then....


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 08, 2015, 06:23:07 pm
.....one word springs to mind........Doh!  ;D


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: stuving on April 08, 2015, 06:49:15 pm
No chance the station staff would know which crew were taking (or supposed to take) which train.

What I meant was that crew, AIUI, know the describer of their working and need to find the train itself. On a weekend of improvised arrangements, I'm sure FGW had a management team on site to organise crews etc. So don't the crew go and ask "where's my train"?  And the right answer to that is "still south of Oxford", not "Platform 1". The crew may know the set allocated to that diagram, but that's not more reliable, is it?


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: Timmer on April 08, 2015, 07:27:32 pm
We're they only using platform 1 this time? Past occasions more than one platform was used by FGW trains and would have two FGW HSTs reversing at Banbury.


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: stuving on April 08, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
We're they only using platform 1 this time? Past occasions more than one platform was used by FGW trains and would have two FGW HSTs reversing at Banbury.

Not only, but most HSTs used P1. The two I mentioned were timetabled to occupy P1 in close succession.


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: stebbo on April 09, 2015, 01:39:41 pm
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/first-great-western-driver-gets-on-wrong-train-092152569.html#r7AQUBp

Could you believe it!


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: tomL on April 09, 2015, 02:08:21 pm
such an accurate article. "Heading for Reading and Didcot"  ::)

And I believe this was covered elsewhere, albeit the BBC coverage of it.


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: a-driver on April 09, 2015, 02:22:52 pm
The driver was incorrectly informed by station staff at Banbury that this was his train so he got on and took the train.  It was only when the driver got to a junction and was given what he considered the wrong route at a signal that the train was bought to a stand and the route queried with the signaller who advised them they were on the wrong train! 
I think the booked driver of the train was running late on another service which added to the confusion.  This is why you never see a driver rush because rushing around leads to mistakes!!!  :-[


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2015, 08:07:07 am
The driver was incorrectly informed by station staff at Banbury that this was his train so he got on and took the train.  It was only when the driver got to a junction and was given what he considered the wrong route at a signal that the train was bought to a stand and the route queried with the signaller who advised them they were on the wrong train! 
I think the booked driver of the train was running late on another service which added to the confusion.  This is why you never see a driver rush because rushing around leads to mistakes!!!  :-[

A great team effort!  ::)


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: CJB666 on July 30, 2018, 09:11:29 pm
This thread is 2015 - why is it appearing as current?


Title: Re: First Great Western train driver boards wrong train at Banbury
Post by: grahame on July 30, 2018, 09:16:27 pm
This thread is 2015 - why is it appearing as current?

It showed up on the recent likes because someone recently liked it.

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