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Title: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 26, 2015, 23:47:33
A Southeastern service between London Charing Cross and Ramsgate has partially derailed after hitting livestock on the line between Ashford International and Canterbury West south of Chilham station. No reports of any injuries to passengers or staff. 65 passengers aboard.

Rescue services on scene and passengers from the derailed train have been evacuated to a local village hall in Godmersham.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/train-derailed-after-hitting-cattle-40716/

Picture from inside the train on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/lordbonkers/status/625408086187053056


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 27, 2015, 00:29:19
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-33671351):

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Train derailed after hitting cows on line in Kent

A passenger train has been derailed after hitting cows on the line in Kent.

Two carriages were derailed when the train hit the cows near Chilham station while travelling from Ashford to Canterbury, Southeastern Trains said.

The firm said no injuries to passengers had been reported and the line would remain shut, with alternative transport being planned to get passengers home.

About 70 passengers were helped off the train by emergency services, with no reports of injuries.

A Kent Fire and Rescue Service spokesman said: "It is believed the train collided with livestock which had strayed on the railway line. Two carriages have been derailed but are upright."

The train hit the cows shortly after 21:30 BST.

'Going nowhere'

Southeastern said the line between Ashford and Ramsgate via Canterbury West would be closed until further notice.

The rail firm tweeted: "We're putting alternative transport in place between Ashford, Canterbury & Ramsgate and will make sure everyone gets home this evening."

It also said it was not known how Monday's services in the area would be affected.

Passenger Jonathan Calder tweeted: "Everyone is fine but this train is going nowhere. Front coach derailed."

He later confirmed he had been able to get off the train and was "now having a cup of tea in a village hall".

I've read elsewhere that the passengers are being looked after by local WI members. Well done ladies - giving up your Sunday evening to help others.  :)


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 27, 2015, 13:09:18
The Kent Online story linked to in the OP has been updated with more pictures.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/train-derailed-after-hitting-cattle-40716/

Lucky escape for all on board.

It has also emerged that the driver of the train involved ran down the line to stop a train coming in the other direction. His radio wasn't working after the collision so he was unable to warn the signallers or other trains in the area.

http://news.sky.com/story/1525777/train-driver-hailed-after-cows-derail-engine?

(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ecf85c9dc452b4d8e67d7a7ea6c8f5a4243c27bf/0_87_4119_2471/master/4119.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=3a3933b1dd8e07b4e74203e80268095c)


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: Tim on July 27, 2015, 13:40:41
It has also emerged that the driver of the train involved ran down the line to stop a train coming in the other direction. His radio wasn't working after the collision so he was unable to warn the signallers or other trains in the area.


well done driver.  Perhaps this is something for the safety professionals to look at.  If a derailment/crash is sufficiently minor for the driver to survive then I'd propose that the radio (or perhaps a backup radio) ought also to be able to survive also. 

This kind of incident is the sort of thing which is usually/often survivable by the driver, but I imagine that there was a significant risk that he/she was injured to the extent to not being able to run down the line to warn other traffic.

This is also an argument for having a second crew member on the train who can contact the signaller if the driver is put out of action. 


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on July 27, 2015, 13:54:13
Not if the cab radio is out of action?....


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 27, 2015, 14:07:47
There are other ways of protecting a train. I imagine, but can't be certain, that the driver would have used a short circuit bar to kill traction current on the other line.

Although he is being praised for running ahead and stopping the other train I think it more likely he followed procedure and killed the traction current. That is what should be done in an emergency situation on DC lines if it is not possible to immediately contact the Electrical Control Officer (ECO) to request an emergency switch off. A short circuit bar doesn't guarantee a train won't run in to the area of the incident (the next train could be diesel hauled for example, or too close to stop) but it is another level of protection.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: Tim on July 27, 2015, 14:55:57
Not if the cab radio is out of action?....

My assumption is that there would be another working radio in the rear cab?


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on July 27, 2015, 15:17:54
Wouldn't they have top be two handsets for the same radio? Otherwise ID info sent with the call wouldn't be the same.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 27, 2015, 15:45:10
I'd have thought the relatively minor nature of the derailment should not be enough to render the GSM-R radios defective in both cabs, unless that type of train cuts out the radio as soon as supply from the 3rd rail is cut off?  I'd be surprised given the age of the train in question.

There are three types of call possible on a GSM-R radio.  The emergency call, which would obviously be the appropriate one in this case, will send a emergency stop message directly to any train in that GSM-R cell and the adjacent cell either side of it, and does not need any specific train information to be entered.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on July 27, 2015, 15:59:31
Would it have a battery back-up? Maybe it ought to have?


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: grahame on July 27, 2015, 16:15:04
I'd have thought the relatively minor nature of the derailment should not be enough to render the GSM-R radios defective in both cabs, ....

But if the front cab one was defective, was it practical for the driver (implication is driver only operation) to make his way back through 4 carriages ... better to bolt up the track as he's said to have done, whatever the state of the radio at the back?


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: patch38 on July 27, 2015, 16:28:27
Quite a dilemma for the driver and further emphasis on the DOO situation: radio not working and you have one shorting bar in the cab. Do you:

a) short the line you are on to protect your passengers?

b) short the other line (note the caveats from BNM about no guarantee of stopping an oncoming train)?

c) hope all passengers remain on your stricken train (more difficult without a guard/train manager) and sprint off up the opposite line, leaving both lines with traction current running?

If the reports are to be believed he did the latter and all ended happily (except for the cows). He certainly had a tough decision to make.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 27, 2015, 16:28:49
There was a guard on this service according to reports.

I've read elsewhere that the train damaged the parapet of an underbridge, removing railings and brickwork, after derailing (see attachments). That could have made the incident far worse had the train been further off the rails at that moment.

The redundancy for the radio? Perhaps just good training and correctly following procedure on the part of the driver. Protect the train, protect the lines, seek assistance. That appears to be, from reports, what he did. It may not have been practical to have tried the rear cab radio when time was of the essence.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 27, 2015, 16:38:52
The redundancy for the radio? Perhaps just good training and correctly following procedure on the part of the driver. Protect the train, protect the lines, seek assistance. That appears to be, from reports, what he did. It may not have been practical to have tried the rear cab radio when time was of the essence.

The official procedure for drivers to take is as follows:

You must immediately:
^ switch on the hazard warning indication where provided, and
^ display a red light forward.

You must then check:
^ if any other lines are obstructed (if in doubt, treat them as obstructed), and decide the quickest way to stop any approaching trains, and
^ the exact location of your train.

You must tell the signaller about the accident in the quickest way possible and whether the electric traction current needs to be switched off.

When the signaller tells you that signal protection has been provided, you must place a track-circuit operating clip on:
^ every other line that is obstructed, and
^ the line on which the your train is standing if the whole train has been derailed.

You must carry out emergency protection if:
^ the signaller cannot provide signal protection, or
^ you have not been able to contact the signaller.


Normally the quickest way to stop all trains would be via a GSM-R emergency call - even if that meant going to the rear cab, though each incident is of course different, and the crew would have been under high levels of pressure.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on July 27, 2015, 16:47:22
As BNM says, there was a guard on this & every SouthEastern mainline train. It's not a DOO area.

If you take those instructions above to be actioned *In order*, then yes, you make sure you stop other trains *before* isolating the current. I'm sure the guard would be directing pax on board to stay on board until he's further directed.

Frankly, we're disobeying board rules and speculating....


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on July 27, 2015, 16:50:42
Whatever the course of events, from reports it appears that all staff and emergency services dealt with the incident in a thoroughly professional manner. Praise also to the locals of Godmersham who opened their village hall and provided shelter and refreshments to the train's passengers while they awaited onward transport.

We can but speculate on the precise sequence of events. I'm as guilty of others of doing so, and as ChrisB says, we should refrain from doing so further. The full details will be some way in the future when the RAIB (I think the incident is serious enough, and had the potential to be much worse, for the RAIB to investigate) publish their report.

In the meantime, a sobering reminder of what can happen when a train hits livestock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polmont_rail_accident
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=150


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: Electric train on July 27, 2015, 20:03:43
I am just surmising about the GSM-R it is possible the impact tripped the circuit breakers to the axillaries in the leading carriage, the drivers instinct would be to go ahead to protect on-coming trains the rear already being protected by the train its self also the Guard would deal with the rear of the train if needed.

I expect the RAIB will want to understand why the in cab radio system failed to see if there is anything required to make the equipment more robust.

This incident just goes to show the professionalism of the Train Crew and the NR Signaller, MOMs and Electrical Control Room etc who dealt with it


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on July 28, 2015, 10:01:47
A blog by the person who tweeted that photo up above of the front coach from the second....
http://liberalengland.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/on-being-derailed-between-wye-and.html

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On being derailed between Wye and Chilham

I spent yesterday with Liberator's Stewart Rayment and family at Hastings Pirate Day. (Arrr!")

I took the train back through Rye to Ashford and then caught another one to Canterbury.

Somewhere between Wye and Chilham there was a loud bang and the train began to judder. It soon became obvious that the coaches (I am not sure if there was one or two of them) in front of mine had become derailed, but we came safely to a stop.

No one was hurt - even the single passenger in the coach you can see in my photo. The train crew took control, the emergency services came (there was even a helicopter) and we waited.

Eventually we all had to climb down a ladder to reach the ground. and then make our way down a muddy back and across a field to a lane.

After a walk up the lane it was a ride in a police van (I chose the cage at the back as it was the only chance I will get to ride in one unless someone talks) to Godmersham village hall.

There tea was provided, our details were taken and eventually a bus to Canterbury and stations further east was provided. I got back to my B&B just before one in the morning.

It was all very British - no one panicked, the emergency services and railway staff were immensely impressive and it all ended with a cup of tea produced without any notice very late on a Sunday night.

It could have been more serious if the train had gone down the bank, but it didn't and no one was hurt.

Because I tweeted the photo above the world's media have been after me this morning. I have said that anyone can use the photo with a suitable credit but I do not want to be interviewed.

Oh, and what I thought was the acrid smell of the brakes being suddenly applied turned out to be the smell of burning cows. I think I shall have fish or chicken this evening.

And the Guardian's (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/27/rail-operators-were-warned-of-cows-near-tracks-before-kent-collision?CMP=share_btn_tw) article...

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Rail operators were warned of cows near tracks before Kent collision

Network Rail and Southeastern trains received reports of stray cattle up to 90 minutes before collision in which two carriages were derailed

Rail operators were warned that stray cows were near the tracks 90 minutes before a train collided with a herd in Kent and partly derailed, it has emerged.

The 8.10pm from Charing Cross to Ramsgate was travelling at 60-70mph when it struck and killed up to five cows on the line between the villages of Wye and Chilham, in Kent, at about 9.45pm on Sunday. Two carriages were derailed.

Network Rail and Southeastern trains revealed they had received reports of stray cattle up to 90 minutes before the collision but after a train was sent at cautionary speed without incident they resumed normal service.

Seventy-two passengers ^ including two pregnant women ^ were evacuated by emergency services to nearby Godmersham village hall, but there were no injuries.

The driver is thought to have prevented a more serious collision when he jumped out of his cabin and halted an oncoming train. Passenger Christian Ellam, 24, said he was aware rail operators had been warned that cattle were near the track, adding the incident ^could have been a hell of a lot worse^.

^A member of staff from Southeastern was at the village hall,^ Ellam, a coffee shop manager, said. ^He explained that they knew before that there were some cows on the track. I want to know why they let a train go through at such a speed. It could have been prevented.^

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch has sent a team to the scene to complete a preliminary examination before it decides whether to launch an investigation.

Ellam, who is trained in first aid and was travelling from St Pancras International to Chartham after changing at Ashford, donned a high-visibility jacket and assisted the train guard in attending to the driver, who was uninjured but shaken.

^It was a horror scene,^ he said. ^The train completely, suddenly stopped and lights started flickering.

The guard came rushing through, panicking. I went out with him in a high-vis jacket to assist the driver. He was shaken up. There were bits of cows all over the place. It was a pretty bad smell.^

Passenger Jonathan Calder tweeted a picture from the train showing the carriage in front of his at an angle with the right-hand side of it clearly no longer on the rails. He wrote: ^Everyone is fine but this train is going nowhere. Front coach derailed.^

A Southeastern spokesman said: ^We get numerous calls about livestock on the line where we run trains through rural areas.

When this happens, standard procedure is that we always run a train at caution ^ at slow speed ^ to see if there is any potential hazard. If nothing is found ^ which was the case last night at Chilham ^ then services are reverted to normal running.

^The incident at Chilham happened an hour and a half after the report that there was livestock on the track and services reverted back to normal only after checks were carried out and no livestock was found.^

He said the crash caused the train^s radio system to stop working, so the driver leapt from his cab to stop an approaching train. ^He realised at this point his radio had stopped working so he jumped out of the cab and ran down the track to halt an approaching train.

He was then able to contact the signaller through the radio of this train to switch off the power to the line.^

The operator said the line would remain closed until at least Wednesday and buses were replacing trains between Ashford International and Ramsgate via Canterbury West.

A spokesman for Network Rail said up to five cows had been killed, and confirmed they first received a report of livestock in the area at 8.50pm.

^The sighting was investigated by Network Rail staff in the area, but no cows were found,^ he said. ^Two trains then passed through the area, with neither reporting any cattle on the line.^


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on April 06, 2016, 15:44:15
The RAIB has released its report into this incident:

Full report: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/514390/R052016_160406_Godmersham.pdf

Summary:
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At around 21:40 hrs on 26 July 2015, a passenger train derailed after striking eight cows that had gained access to the railway at Godmersham in Kent, between Wye and Chilham stations. There had been a report of a cow on the railway an hour earlier, but a subsequent examination by the driver of the next passing train did not find anything. There were no further reports from other trains that passed before the accident occurred.

The train involved in the accident was travelling at 69 mph (111 km/h) at the point of impact. There were 67 passengers on board plus three members of staff; no injuries were reported at the time of the accident. Because the train^s radio had ceased to work during the accident, the driver ran for about three-quarters of a mile towards an oncoming train, which had already been stopped by the signaller, and used its radio to report the accident.

The accident occurred because the fence had not been maintained so as to restrain cows from breaching it, and because the railway^s response to the earlier report of a cow on the railway side of the fence was insufficient to prevent the accident. In addition, the absence of an obstacle deflector on the leading unit of the train made the derailment more likely.

Recommendations

As a result of this accident, RAIB has made five recommendations addressing the fence inspection process, clarification of railway rules in response to reports of large animals within the boundary fence, the fitting of obstacle deflectors to rolling stock (two recommendations), and the reliability of the train radio equipment.

RAIB has also identified two learning points for the railway industry, relating to the railway^s response to emergency situations, including the response to reports of large animals within the boundary fence and the actions to take following an accident.



Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 06, 2016, 15:56:49
Fence inspections? That's a laugh, NR don't do them, just wait for them to fall over.

Hopefully, they'll start now, but that'll mean less money elsewhere


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on April 06, 2016, 16:46:12
If you actually read the report you will see that, in this particular case, a fence inspection was carried out some weeks before the incident. The report also says that the normal routine is annual inspection. The report also states that there is process in place for scoring the condition of fences.

To say that Network Rail don't do fence inspections is plain wrong. And if that were found to be the case in this incident then the RAIB would very likely have highlighted the lack of inspection.

How they are done and the methodology used is questioned. But they are done.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 07, 2016, 09:36:44
Depends on your definition of 'inspection'....and I'd love to see NR's.

Just take a regular gander when travelling through countryside - I regularly see collapsed fencing, really poor state fencing (unrepaired in years frankly), fencing totally covered in undergrowth of several years such that you can't see what's holding it up, but at either end there are fence posts. Sorry, by my definition of 'inspection', it doesn't happen....


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2016, 13:29:31
Network Rail is a public body. Why not FoI them about the alleged uninspected fences in your area Chris?



Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 07, 2016, 14:26:58
Frankly I'm happy with my opinion.


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: JayMac on April 07, 2016, 15:08:33
Let us know the areas that concern you and I'll contact Network Rail. After all if fencing is in such a poor state in these areas there's a real risk of trespass or animal incursion. That can have serious consequences. Civic duty surely to report the danger?


Title: Re: Passenger train derailment near Chilham, Kent - 26 July 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 07, 2016, 15:10:35
They do inspections apparently. That's why animals keep getting on the track. Oh, that's when they inspect & fix, of course.



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