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Title: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: grahame on July 31, 2015, 00:52:13 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/electrification-great-western-mainline-could-9762228?
Quote It isn't yet clear if and for how long the project to electrify the railways may be delayed - but one magazine has suggested it could be two years Railway experts have claimed that electrification on the Great Western Mainline may be delayed for two years. If they^re right, it means that wires on the newly electrified railway might not be seen at Swansea until 2020. It has already been suggested by ministers that work on the track may be delayed, but as of yet no clear date for when work may be completed has been provided. The line to Swansea is currently planned to be completed by 2018. Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: grahame on July 31, 2015, 00:56:38 Meanwhile
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/13521016.Croxley_Rail_Link_will_not_be_completed_until_2020__documents_reveal_/? Quote Croxley Rail Link will not be completed until 2020, documents reveal. The Croxley Rail Link will not be finished until 2020, documents have revealed. The price for the rail link has rocketed from ^120 million to ^284 million and this forced the government to step in and ask Transport for London to take over the scheme last year. A TFL timetable has revealed trains will not start running until December 2019 and the project will not be completed until March 2020 at the earliest, according to Greater London Authority documents. When the finance package for the scheme was approved by Chancellor George Osborne in this year^s budget, Mayor Dorothy Thornhill said trains would start running in 2018. When the plans for the Croxley Rail Link were first approved in 2011, the rail link was supposed to be finished in 2016. Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 31, 2015, 01:20:41 It's all apparently becoming a bit like 'how long is a piece of string?' when calculating such time scales. ::)
Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Kernowman on August 28, 2015, 18:53:23 When the wires do reach Swansea, are there any plans to have standby locos along the Paddington to Swansea route? In a similar fashion to West Coast 57s East Coast 67s and Anglia 47s, or am I just fantasizing? :o
Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: grahame on August 28, 2015, 19:25:37 When the wires do reach Swansea, are there any plans to have standby locos along the Paddington to Swansea route? In a similar fashion to West Coast 57s East Coast 67s and Anglia 47s, or am I just fantasizing? :o 37s anyone? As I understand it, the standby engines will be carried on all the long distance electric trains Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on August 29, 2015, 15:21:15 When the wires do reach Swansea, are there any plans to have standby locos along the Paddington to Swansea route? In a similar fashion to West Coast 57s East Coast 67s and Anglia 47s, or am I just fantasizing? :o 37s anyone? Nah! much too modern! When I were a lad Reading's Down line pilot was a 69XX Hall and the Up Line pilot a 43XX Mogul. Later these progressed to being a Castle and a Manor... Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: ellendune on August 29, 2015, 18:36:42 As I understand it, the standby engines will be carried on all the long distance electric trains Is that Donkey Class? Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: grahame on August 29, 2015, 19:48:49 When the wires do reach Swansea, are there any plans to have standby locos along the Paddington to Swansea route? In a similar fashion to West Coast 57s East Coast 67s and Anglia 47s, or am I just fantasizing? :o 37s anyone? Nah! much too modern! When I were a lad Reading's Down line pilot was a 69XX Hall and the Up Line pilot a 43XX Mogul. Later these progressed to being a Castle and a Manor... Here are your modern choices ... class of 7! (http://www.wellho.net/pix/classx7.jpg) Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Kernowman on September 06, 2015, 23:45:54 When the wires do reach Swansea, are there any plans to have standby locos along the Paddington to Swansea route? In a similar fashion to West Coast 57s East Coast 67s and Anglia 47s, or am I just fantasizing? :o 37s anyone? As I understand it, the standby engines will be carried on all the long distance electric trains hmmmmmm I'm a bit confused! ??? My original post alluded to whether 'Thunderbird' locos would be positioned along the Paddington to Swansea route in case there are any problems with the wires or problems/diversions away from the wires, with the electric Class 801s. 'As I understand it, the standby engines will be carried on all the long distance electric trains' Are you saying that the 801s will also have diesel engines for use in an emergency? (If so I guess that this will make them bimodes like the 800s)? :o Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: paul7575 on September 07, 2015, 01:16:59 Are you saying that the 801s will also have diesel engines for use in an emergency? (If so I guess that this will make them bimodes like the 800s)? Yes, that has been widely reported; and was a requirement of the original spec. The electric version gets just the one underfloor engine, hence can only move at slow speed.Paul Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Kernowman on September 08, 2015, 23:24:43 Aahhh I see. Well I've learnt something. Thank you. :o
Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Tim on September 09, 2015, 10:35:05 what are the chances that someone (the tax payer) will end up having to pay compensation to Hitachi (for not using their new trains in electric mode) AND Scotland (for not releasing enough HSTs for their new services)?
Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Rhydgaled on September 09, 2015, 12:17:48 what are the chances that someone (the tax payer) will end up having to pay compensation to Hitachi (for not using their new trains in electric mode) AND Scotland (for not releasing enough HSTs for their new services)? Not sure about the former, but I think the chances of the IC125s not being released for ScotRail are slim since ScotRail don't need the whole fleet (only 27 sets I think) and there should be enough bi-mode units (counting East Coast as well as Great Western) to allow release of that number of IC125s.Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: paul7575 on September 09, 2015, 12:31:47 Surely Hitachi will get fairly re-imbursed as a matter of course by means of whatever contract variation is written to change the delivery order, or as suggested elsewhere to fit a few more diesel power packs, changing the relative proportion of 800s and 801s as necessary.
They shouldn't need 'compensation' on top of that as well. Paul Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Tim on September 09, 2015, 14:49:00 One would hope so. The problem is though that this is a complex procurement. If we (the public) were simply buying the trains, a delay would simply mean that the purchase price needed to be paid before the trains were put into use. But Hitachi are taking their payment over a 27 year contract. I would expect that the public will start paying the "rental" cost of the train from the date they are delivered rather than the date that they are used. The headlines will be "^xmillion wasted per year to keep trains sitting in sidings"
fitting a few more diesel power packs can't make sense can it?? surely the justification of electrification was the lack of availability of new diesel trains. As soon as the power packs are fitted you have a brand new diesel train and the case for electrification becomes weaker. Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: Tim on September 09, 2015, 14:51:24 what are the chances that someone (the tax payer) will end up having to pay compensation to Hitachi (for not using their new trains in electric mode) AND Scotland (for not releasing enough HSTs for their new services)? Not sure about the former, but I think the chances of the IC125s not being released for ScotRail are slim since ScotRail don't need the whole fleet (only 27 sets I think) and there should be enough bi-mode units (counting East Coast as well as Great Western) to allow release of that number of IC125s.Scotrail are only taking 27 sets (split between 4 and 5 cars each so not full sets either). I hadn't factored in EC HSTs so you may be right. Title: Re: Electric to Swansea - this decade, or next? Post by: paul7575 on September 09, 2015, 15:38:27 ...fitting a few more diesel power packs can't make sense can it?? That's the solution reported in the latest Modern Railways, they stated that DfT have asked for a price. Paul This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |