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Title: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: ChrisB on September 29, 2015, 11:01:55
From the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Extremely-dangerous-200-passengers-stop-Bristol/story-27883469-detail/story.html)

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SCORES of reckless rail passengers risked their lives by halting a train and walking along the track.

A group of disgruntled rail users decided to pull the emergency stop cord after hearing the 2.35pm First Great Western service from Avonmouth to Bristol Temple Meads would not stop at Redland station on Saturday.

Network Rail said that passengers were told that the station was too busy to stop at.

Angry at this change to the timetable, an unknown passenger halted the train a short distance out of Clifton Down station.

Up to 200 people got out of the carriage and started walking along the track back to the Clifton stop.

Julian Burnell from Network Rail said: "This is a very rare and very serious incident.

"In the seven years I have worked at Network Rail, this is the first time I have heard of such an incident taking place."

The company call this type of event an "uncontrolled evacuation" and it has the potential to cause fatal accidents.

Mr Burnell said: "It is extremely dangerous, even on a quiet railway like this one.

"Thankfully it is not an electric line, the outcome could have been very different."

It is understood that no one was injured during the walk -off and that everyone got back to Clifton Down Station safely.

British Transport Police (BTP) officers were called to the scene and helped escort passengers off the line.

A spokesman from BTP said: "We are treating this as a trespass incident ^ one which caused numerous delays to services in the area and could have put lives in danger ^ and inquiries are currently underway to identify those involved."

A spokesperson from First Great Western said that the train company is also carrying out investigations in to the incident.

In a statement, First Great Western said: "Railway lines are designed for trains, not people and are inherently dangerous places.

"The actions of this group of passengers, whatever their reasons, endangered not only themselves, but also their fellow passengers.

"We will be investigating."

The walk-off caused long delays on the line and normal service was not resumed until past 6pm

According to other comments on forums, there was a Greenpeace festival in the area. Born out by one of the comments under this article -

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The reason the train was so busy was because there was a big festival in Eastville park.. I have a photo of how packed it was at Clifton station as I was there. That train must have been unbearably rammed.. Maybe dangerously rammed. That is why it wasn't stopping at Redland and the latter trains were badly delayed.. I ended up walking from Clifton to Lawrence Hill!



Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: phile on September 29, 2015, 11:07:49
Tokyo World Music Festival at Eastville.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2015, 14:06:19
Crazy.............well at least rugby fans behave themselves when the trains fall over!


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 29, 2015, 15:41:41
Not wishing to condone the actions of a group of people who, through no fault of their own (because we can assume that the person who pulled the cord was not a festivalgoer) found themselves trapped on a very overcrowded train with expensive tickets for a festival that was passing them by:

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Mr Burnell said: "It is extremely dangerous, even on a quiet railway like this one..."


Am I correct in thinking that the line speed here is 30mph?

Presumably the main danger would come from a northbound train that had SPADed after Redland station? Or perhaps from falling down the steps? Or maybe a wasp?

Edit: Reading the article at http://epigram.org.uk/news/2015/09/chaos-on-train-to-tokyo-world suggests that possibly the cord was pulled at some point after the train was halted.



Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: grahame on September 29, 2015, 16:25:40

Presumably the main danger would come from a northbound train that had SPADed after Redland station? Or perhaps from falling down the steps? Or maybe a wasp?


You are a cynic. The railway is a hostile environment with lots of things to trip over, uneven rough surface so it's hard to walk on, and it's also very greasy and dirty.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Louis94 on September 29, 2015, 16:50:00
Edit: Reading the article at http://epigram.org.uk/news/2015/09/chaos-on-train-to-tokyo-world suggests that possibly the cord was pulled at some point after the train was halted.

If that is the case sounds like they stopped at the red signal after departing Clifton Down station, maybe the signaller stopping the train to tell the driver not to call at Redland(?), dangerous really as stopping there would indicate perhaps waiting a train to come off the single line.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Tim on September 29, 2015, 17:04:20
Crazy.............well at least rugby fans behave themselves when the trains fall over!

Yeh right.  The closest I have seen to people going run over by a train, was when some very drunk Rugby fans on my GNER train missed their Berwick stop, pulled the cord, opened the door and staggered along the other track to the station seconds before a train passed.

Not condoning the passenger actions at Redland, but not stopping a train because it is rammed is a bit poor is it not.  London Underground doesn't do that. 


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 29, 2015, 20:46:01
You are a cynic.

Maybe.

I would certainly question whether the decision made by the passengers, en masse, was the worst one made about that train on that day. Placing the blame squarely on their shoulders does tend to absolve anyone else from responsibility for assuring its safe running.

I assume that incidents like this are outside the remit of the RAIB?

 


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 29, 2015, 21:01:03
Edit: Reading the article at http://epigram.org.uk/news/2015/09/chaos-on-train-to-tokyo-world suggests that possibly the cord was pulled at some point after the train was halted.

If that is the case sounds like they stopped at the red signal after departing Clifton Down station, maybe the signaller stopping the train to tell the driver not to call at Redland(?), dangerous really as stopping there would indicate perhaps waiting a train to come off the single line.

Ok I can see I need to wind my neck in a little here - there was a potential for a northbound train coming off the single line section on to the loop where the detrained passengers were walking.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: johnneyw on September 30, 2015, 12:34:22
I've been critical of FGW before but I can't hold them at fault for this. The"students" in question surely need to take responsibilty for the consequenses of there own actions in the face of the situation that was before them.  Instead, they crammed themselves onto a train that that they could plainly see was over crowded.


Title: Students Pull The Emergency Cord And Walk Along The Tracks To Their Station!
Post by: Penzance-Paddington on September 30, 2015, 14:23:20
How stupid can some people be? These people are supposed to be the cream of intellectuality! More information is available here. http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/29/200-students-stopped-train-and-walked-along-track-when-they-were-told-it-would-miss-station-5412989/?ito=facebook


Title: Re: Students Pull The Emergency Cord And Walk Along The Tracks To Their Station!
Post by: ChrisB on September 30, 2015, 14:39:48
Thread already exists in Bristol Commuters. Please check before posting


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 30, 2015, 15:27:46
Thanks, ChrisB. I've now moved and merged both topics here.  ;)


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 30, 2015, 19:21:10
Interesting to compare the four reports (Post, Guardian, Epigram and Metro): there is no consistency as to the precise sequence of events here. If this incident was, as characterised, 'extremely dangerous' then surely there must be some sort of enquiry, and surely it would be in the public interest to publish it?


Title: Re: Students Pull The Emergency Cord And Walk Along The Tracks To Their Station!
Post by: Brucey on September 30, 2015, 21:56:10
Stupid question, but why were they wanting to get off at Redland if the festival was in Eastville?  The next stop, Montpelier, is so close that they could easily have walked back to Redland quickly if that really was their destination.

These people are supposed to be the cream of intellectuality!
I'm not too sure about that, having spent three years in Bristol as a student and witnessed some of the odd things UoB and UWE students seem to think are acceptable.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 30, 2015, 22:35:32
Not a stupid question at all, Brucey. All the reports are more or less garbled, but it is fair to assume that the passengers would have wanted to go to Stapleton Road as that is the nearest station to the festival site.

Without access to any official version of events, I suggest that the Epigram piece may be the closest to a true account of what actually happened. I'll quote it in full:

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From Epigram, University of Bristol Independent Student Newspaper (http://epigram.org.uk/news/2015/09/chaos-on-train-to-tokyo-world)

Chaos ensued between Clifton Down and Redland Station yesterday as students travelling to Tokyo World pulled the emergency alarm to escape a severely overcrowded train.

Students were forced to jump from the train and walk along the tracks in order to get back to the platform.

The incident occurred on the 14:48 train to Stapleton Road, as students travelled to attend the popular music festival Tokyo World. An estimated 150 to 200 students attempted to get on-board the two-carriage train at Clifton Down station, which was then kept waiting at the station for approximately fifteen minutes.

The train eventually left the platform, only to be stopped between Clifton Down and Redland stations for approximately twenty-five minutes due to further overcrowding at Redland Station.

A third-year Computer Scientist told Epigram that ^No one knew what was going on, the driver made an announcement over the tannoy but no one could really hear it.^

The initially jovial atmosphere turned to fear as students inside the severely overcrowded train began to panic and chant ^Let us off, let us off!^

Describing her experience on-board the train, a third-year History student told Epigram, ^It was awful, I was trapped in the corner. I^m claustrophobic so I started panicking and I felt like I couldn^t breathe. People around us were shouting to the guys nearest to the window to smash it open.^

One student jumped into the overhead luggage storage shelf to avoid the mass of people.

The emergency alarm was then pulled, and students jumped a metre from the train onto the tracks. A female student was seen lying by the side of the track after fainting and having a panic attack on-board the train.

One Aerospace Engineer told Epigram how he had to divert the crowd of people jumping off the train away from the ill student, fearing that she might be trampled.

He then described how students ran away from police officers as they walked down the tracks towards the train, causing many students to scramble up a bank and over a fence rather than walk back to the platform.

A third-year Economics student described the event as ^totally surreal.^

Another third-year Physicist said, ^m glad we all got out when we did. The train driver should have either realised there were too many people and kicked us off at Clifton, or carried on to the next station before stopping.^

Speaking to Epigram, Julian Burnell of Network Rail said ^these individuals put themselves and others at great risk, and inconvenienced hundreds of other people. The railway is a hazardous environment, which is why railway trespass is a criminal offence, carrying a maximum fine of ^1,000. We will be assisting the British Transport Police in their enquiries.^

Since appearing in Epigram this story has been picked up by the Bristol Post  who have lambasted ^scores of reckless rail passengers^, while The Guardian has acknowledged the plight of those on-board but still claims passengers only left the train ^after discovering it would miss [the] next station.^



Title: Re: Students Pull The Emergency Cord And Walk Along The Tracks To Their Station!
Post by: JayMac on October 01, 2015, 00:26:51
These people are supposed to be the cream of intellectuality!

No. They're learning to be the cream. A few more years study and they may just get there. That is if they haven't been wiped out by a passing Class 150.

But, it must be remembered that it's not only the cream that floats to the top...


Title: Re: Students Pull The Emergency Cord And Walk Along The Tracks To Their Station!
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 01, 2015, 09:37:06
These people are supposed to be the cream of intellectuality!

No. They're learning to be the cream. A few more years study and they may just get there. That is if they haven't been wiped out by a passing Class 150.

But, it must be remembered that it's not only the cream that floats to the top...

Indeed.....don't confuse attendance at University with intellectual ability, the two don't always fit together these days!


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Tim on October 01, 2015, 09:57:03
The Epigram article is interesting.  Circumstances rather remind me of unauthorised evacuations of Eurostar.  Whilst the evacuees must be regarded as responsible for their own action, the common factor to all these incidents is people complaining about lack of information.  The PA system on a train is a vital piece of safety equipment and I would hope that any enquiry examines whether it was used to full effect. 


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: PhilWakely on October 01, 2015, 11:26:02
The PA system on a train is a vital piece of safety equipment and I would hope that any enquiry examines whether it was used to full effect. 

I have been on countless trains where the PA system may as well not have been there. I even remember sitting in the quiet carriage and not hearing what was being said because the volume was so poor.


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: lordgoata on October 01, 2015, 16:32:09
I have been on countless trains where the PA system may as well not have been there. I even remember sitting in the quiet carriage and not hearing what was being said because the volume was so poor.

I hope you pass the information on to the driver/TM - they always seem very receptive when I have informed them I couldn't hear them, one driver a few years ago was very pleased, said he would repeat it again speaking louder and asked me to let him know if i could hear that or not (which I couldn't).


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: Charles T on October 04, 2015, 08:49:06
LOL!


Title: Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks
Post by: PhilWakely on October 04, 2015, 09:30:45
I have been on countless trains where the PA system may as well not have been there. I even remember sitting in the quiet carriage and not hearing what was being said because the volume was so poor.

I hope you pass the information on to the driver/TM - they always seem very receptive when I have informed them I couldn't hear them, one driver a few years ago was very pleased, said he would repeat it again speaking louder and asked me to let him know if i could hear that or not (which I couldn't).

Indeed I do virtually every time. Most say something along the lines of "Apologies, but I can't do anything about it"



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