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Title: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: a-driver on September 30, 2015, 08:17:25 pm
A few pictures featuring mock-ups of the refurbished Night Riviera Sleeper set from the Cornwall Expo 2015 event held on the 29th & 30th September at Newquay Airport.  Hopefully the mock-up shown isn't going to be the exact seating layout, seems an odd place to position a sofa.... you'll see what I mean!

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/headlines---latest-reports-and-photographs/cornwall-expo-2015-a-special-report-by-mick-house


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 30, 2015, 11:39:17 pm
Quite a logistical effort I'd say to get that coach into a hangar at NQY.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 13, 2016, 08:49:12 pm
One of the long rock engineers have shared interior photos on Flickr today of the first day coach. Looks rather smart

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/co-tr-p/


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: John R on September 13, 2016, 09:05:01 pm
But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Timmer on September 13, 2016, 09:07:03 pm
I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.
Could be.

Hope they turn the lighting down at night too. Looks a bit harsh in the pictures


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 13, 2016, 09:08:41 pm
Airline seats i prefer, when I've travelled I've not been entirely comfortable sharing a table seat with a total stranger and sleeping with stranger opposite.

And Paul has posted on rail forums that many will miss the reclining seats so I assume that they aren't recliners


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 14, 2016, 07:09:19 am
Certainly looks......er......cosy?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Tim on September 14, 2016, 09:15:44 am
Thanks.

Does anyone know why the sleeper compartments have been given a day time configuration.  Surely that only makes sense on long continental journeys where the occupants will be awake some of the time.  For journeys lasting from 11:30pm to 7am (or thereabouts) why would you need anything other than a bed?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 14, 2016, 09:27:27 am
Tim the seated coaches are typically around 75% full when I've used it so I guess there is demand.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: John R on September 14, 2016, 10:29:37 am
But if they are 75% full in a low density configuration, then why change it to a high density config?  As well as seat pitch, they are narrower due to being 4 abreast, so much less comfortable for an overnight journey.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Tim on September 14, 2016, 05:13:16 pm
Sorry I wasn't clear.  My previous post referred to the "daytime configuration" of the sleeper compartments.  What is that needed for?   


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: broadgage on September 14, 2016, 10:42:40 pm
But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.

Very few tables, reduced seating pitch, high backed seats. Looks like a new train.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 15, 2016, 12:30:24 am
But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.

Very few tables, reduced seating pitch, high backed seats. Looks like a new train.

Are the 'sleeper' coaches not used for day time (relief?) services? I guess perhaps a balance is being made between night time comfort and day time capacity?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 15, 2016, 12:33:10 am
Thanks.

Does anyone know why the sleeper compartments have been given a day time configuration.  Surely that only makes sense on long continental journeys where the occupants will be awake some of the time.  For journeys lasting from 11:30pm to 7am (or thereabouts) why would you need anything other than a bed?

Are the beds made up by an attendant en route or are they already beds when you board at Paddington or Penzance? As the boarding time is relatively early at the starting points, many people may not want to get straight into bed, so presumably the 'daytime' configuration is to allow those folk somewhere comfy to sit before they're ready to sleep?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: ChrisB on September 15, 2016, 09:25:16 am
However you made up the sleeping cabins, I wouldn't want to spend much time in there *not* sleeping....why would you, they're small boxes with almost zero daylight


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Tim on September 15, 2016, 09:58:35 am
If you board at Paddington just before the departure time at 2345, you will want to go straight to bed will you not?  I know you can board at 2230, but surely that is for people who want to turn in early, cos if you want to stay awake you would be better off in the Paddington Lounge. 

Departure at Penzance is at 2145 which is before bedtime, but you would still have the use of the lounge car if activities of a non horizontal nature appealed.

If the daytime configuration to encourage people to eat their breakfast in their compartment?  I have only had breakfast on the Scottish Sleeper where we ate our breakfast box in an almost deserted seated coach.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on September 15, 2016, 01:02:16 pm
Too claustrophobic for my liking, the Southeastern EMU I took to from Charing Cross to Tunbridge Wells yesterday had more tables and space than that. I would feel quite trapped in a window seat with a stranger besides me.

Investment is welcome, but that's a retrograde step


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: broadgage on September 16, 2016, 04:31:55 pm
Tables, like buffets are now VERY last year.
The survey to show that buffets are not wanted anymore has already been done.
I expect that a similar survey has also been done to show that tables are not wanted either.



Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2016, 04:53:09 pm
Certainly, 50% of the population (women) generally prefer airline (& their privacy) seats.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2016, 05:05:38 pm
A nice sensible mix of airline and tabled seating is what you want.  Something like what the new Class 387 and 800 trains we're getting have got.  Certainly this seated sleeper carriage doesn't look as nice as the layout it's replacing, though I'll reserve full judgement until I've seen it in person.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: ellendune on September 16, 2016, 05:31:40 pm
With the current seat spacing I cannot use a laptop with airline seating as I cannot reach the fron keys on the keyboard without pushing my elbows through a non existent hole in the seat back.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on September 23, 2016, 08:31:49 am
Tables, like buffets are now VERY last year.
The survey to show that buffets are not wanted anymore has already been done.
I expect that a similar survey has also been done to show that tables are not wanted either.



The loss of 2 + 1 seating is the greatest shame, the loss of rankles only adds to the claustrophobic feel


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: 1st fan on November 04, 2016, 02:14:52 pm
First post :) and on something that I love using when I can. I agree with the comments about the new seats on the night Riviera. It's almost as if they are expecting to be able to use the carriages elsewhere when not used for overnight runs. That would explain the high density seating I suppose which is hardly conducive to sleep. I've done the seated sleeper once and found it quite comfortable, I was sitting at a table with two other people.

As to the new daytime config I have no idea why that's been introduced. I only know of one time the sleeper was used as a daytime train and that was to Oxford when FGW (as they were at the time) found they didn't have an HST to do the journey. http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/4886488.display/ On that occasion the sleeper berths were all locked and it probably wouldn't work having the NR doing the journey when the new trains are running. I doubt the NR being loco hauled could keep to the timetabled running of a Class 8xx. So unless they're moving into the charter business during the day....


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: 1st fan on November 04, 2016, 02:25:36 pm
Thanks.

Does anyone know why the sleeper compartments have been given a day time configuration.  Surely that only makes sense on long continental journeys where the occupants will be awake some of the time.  For journeys lasting from 11:30pm to 7am (or thereabouts) why would you need anything other than a bed?

Are the beds made up by an attendant en route or are they already beds when you board at Paddington or Penzance? As the boarding time is relatively early at the starting points, many people may not want to get straight into bed, so presumably the 'daytime' configuration is to allow those folk somewhere comfy to sit before they're ready to sleep?

As far as I know all the berths are made up at the depot and then only the ones in use that night are unlocked for passenger occupation. Whilst a 21:45 departure from Penzance is far earlier than from Paddington I can't imagine anyone wanting their berth in daytime config. I've just spotted that on the CRS link it does say daytime running so maybe this is for some new GWR venture into charter trains. Or maybe they've found a use for the train outside of the overnight runs.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bignosemac on November 04, 2016, 02:43:44 pm
Welcome to the forum 1st fan.  :)


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: 1st fan on November 04, 2016, 02:58:45 pm
Thank you!


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 04, 2016, 05:05:09 pm
1st fan, to add to your point of you being unaware of day time services, it is used in service summer Saturdays day time to boost services through cornwall to Exeter


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bobm on November 04, 2016, 09:05:27 pm
Any excuse to dig out a photo....

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleep2206.jpg)


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: broadgage on November 04, 2016, 11:40:32 pm
Is that a 57 moving under its own power ! or perhaps photoshoped, or propelled by a steamer on the back of the train.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bobm on November 05, 2016, 08:40:52 am
Can honestly say of the 700 or so photos I have posted here not one has been photoshopped - simply because I have never taken the time to learn how to do it - despite several tips and encouragement from bignosemac.

For the record the photo was taken late afternoon on the 21st June 2014.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 05, 2016, 09:02:20 am
Can honestly say of the 700 or so photos I have posted here not one has been photoshopped - simply because I have never taken the time to learn how to do it - despite several tips and encouragement from bignosemac.

For the record the photo was taken late afternoon on the 21st June 2014.

I've over 2000 photos on Flickr and all are as taken. I haven't a clue how to edit, I've tried once or twice and made a mess so deleted!


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: PhilWakely on November 05, 2016, 09:35:53 am
GWR Night Riviera stock in the (non-photoshopped) Land of the Midnight Sun  :D   October 2016

(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww255/PhilWakely/Untitled_zpsdagea492.jpg)


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: 1st fan on November 05, 2016, 10:30:19 am
1st fan, to add to your point of you being unaware of day time services, it is used in service summer Saturdays day time to boost services through cornwall to Exeter
Interesting thank you I wasn't aware of that. I assume (looking at the photographs posted) that it's just the seated coaches and not the sleeper carriages that are used?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: PhilWakely on November 05, 2016, 10:35:40 am
1st fan, to add to your point of you being unaware of day time services, it is used in service summer Saturdays day time to boost services through cornwall to Exeter
Interesting thank you I wasn't aware of that. I assume (looking at the photographs posted) that it's just the seated coaches and not the sleeper carriages that are used?

Indeed!


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: chrisr_75 on November 05, 2016, 04:00:35 pm
1st fan, to add to your point of you being unaware of day time services, it is used in service summer Saturdays day time to boost services through cornwall to Exeter
Interesting thank you I wasn't aware of that. I assume (looking at the photographs posted) that it's just the seated coaches and not the sleeper carriages that are used?

Although some strange window spacing in the first and third vehicles so they are clearly not standard mk3 coaches - anyone know what's in there?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Rhydgaled on November 06, 2016, 11:07:37 am
some strange window spacing in the first and third vehicles so they are clearly not standard mk3 coaches - anyone know what's in there?
I think the green one behind the loco is one of the three mrk3 brake vehicles (the guard's coach, a bit like the TGS on IC125s I think), but I don't know what the other is.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: old original on November 06, 2016, 11:45:32 am
Buffet car, I reckon


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bignosemac on November 06, 2016, 12:03:15 pm
The rear coach is 10219 a Mk3a (loco hauled) Restaurant First Modular (RFM). That is a Sleeper set buffet carriage. The seating area (to the rear in the picture) is a lounge for the exclusive use of passengers who've booked a berth. That end is usually marshalled next to sleeper carriages (SLEPs). The counter end being marshalled next to the Seated Sleeper carriages.

10219 has slightly unusual full depth windows on the corridor/counter side. That's the side pictured. You can just make out the handrail across the window. Also the half depth windows on the kitchen side are not blacked out like other Mk3 buffets. 10219 is one of a batch of Mk3a First Opens (FO) converted to RFMs in 1986/87. Original FO number was 11047.

Info gleaned from various sources including:

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhspassengerdetail.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Open




Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bobm on August 20, 2018, 09:50:27 pm
The refurbishment of Night Riviera sleeper berths is almost complete with most coaches now having led lighting, power points and hotel style entry keycards.

Last week the first of the new look lounge cars entered service.   It is currently on a diagram which sees it going down to Cornwall on Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday nights and back up the following evenings.

There are now more seats as the kitchen area is smaller and the luggage racks, which were rarely used, have been removed.

Here are some views taken last night

There are a number of pairs of single seats around a table.  They look like they should swivel - but they don't!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeppair.jpg)

There are also the bench seats reminiscent of the Caledonian Sleeper

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleepgv.jpg)

Variously called toadstools or mushrooms, these in the bar area have caused much comment from staff and passengers alike.  The temptation is to try to sit on them - but apparently the idea is to lean against them while propping oneself up on the bar.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeptoad.jpg)

The range of drinks behind the bar has been increased with Tarquins Gin, as served on the Pullman, now available along with Luscombe tonic.  There is also Prosecco and a wider range of soft drinks.   There are some additional food items including a deli selection of meats with cheese wedges, olives and crackers or a houmous dish.   However there is a distinct lack of hot food apart from a tuna panini.   I do think there is scope for improvement there.

The bar area is divided into two.  The area you can see above is for sleeper berth passengers.  Through the door there is the service area for seated passengers.  Currently one member of staff is trying to do both and it may be that a second person will be required, especially on busy nights.

The first accessible berth is now also in service

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleepacc.jpg)

..and adjacent to it is the accessible toilet - with very little danger of you forgetting to lock the door

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeptoi.jpg)

Passengers boarding or leaving the train at Paddington have long had a lounge facility and showers.  This has now been extended to both Penzance and Truro in a joint project with Cornwall Council.  You can book a shower through the customer host on board the train and then make use of the facilities in Cornwall.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeppnz1.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeppnz2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeptru2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sleeptru1.jpg)

During the summer months a single berth supplement is £80 but reduces to £70 from September 1st.  However there often advance tickets which undercut that.  I recently had a solo berth for £74 which included travel.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: sleepy on April 07, 2019, 06:25:10 pm
Sleeper goes from strength to strength - looking at random date Thursday May 9th ex - Paddington all berths booked, the extra Sleeper coach to be introduced at May timetable change will be useful.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bobm on April 07, 2019, 07:52:09 pm
This week I booked three sleeper berths. Two either side of Easter and one in May. 

Purely anecdotal but there were advance tickets available for all three. 


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: PhilWakely on April 07, 2019, 09:41:08 pm
Having treated my ladies to a show at the Royal Albert Hall recently, I had occasion to try out the refurbished seating in Coach A of the sleeper [travelling only as far as Exeter].

Both my wife and my daughter delivered a very definite 'thumbs down' to the very hard seats. Both said that, previously, they had easily been able to doze comfortably in their seat - but could not get comfortable enough in the new style seat. I have been told, in no uncertain terms that it'll be a Travelodge in future, returning home the following morning. 


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 08, 2019, 07:20:52 am
Having treated my ladies to a show at the Royal Albert Hall recently, I had occasion to try out the refurbished seating in Coach A of the sleeper [travelling only as far as Exeter].

Both my wife and my daughter delivered a very definite 'thumbs down' to the very hard seats. Both said that, previously, they had easily been able to doze comfortably in their seat - but could not get comfortable enough in the new style seat. I have been told, in no uncertain terms that it'll be a Travelodge in future, returning home the following morning. 

........perfectly good Hilton at Paddington! 😉


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Jamsdad on April 09, 2019, 10:01:06 pm
Cheaper to take the lovely sleeper berths than stay in London. But sitting up overnight? No thanks.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: PhilWakely on April 10, 2019, 06:12:16 pm
Cheaper to take the lovely sleeper berths than stay in London. But sitting up overnight? No thanks.

I'd agree with that if travelling beyond Exeter - but when journey time is a little over three hours and you arrive at your destination still in the wee small hours, snoozing in a seat is preferable. Unfortunately, snoozing is not an option on the seats provided.

I believe that the seating accommodation is primarily for pax travelling from Plymouth into Cornwall or just within Cornwall.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: broadgage on April 11, 2019, 04:25:22 am
IIRC, the recent refurbishment of the sleeper stock included higher density seating. Padded seats are now VERY last year !


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on April 17, 2019, 09:55:01 pm
It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: PhilWakely on April 17, 2019, 10:00:06 pm
It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: sleepy on September 23, 2019, 01:25:25 pm
I've been looking at berth availability this month and I'm pleased to report services from Paddington have occupany levels of around 97% This certainly seems to justify GWR's long term plan of extra Sleeping car every night once Scottish Sleepers have finished using mark 3 stock. This doesn't take into account any "no shows" on the night but having observed people in Lounge turning up and asking about berths they are often re-used anyway.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on September 23, 2019, 07:16:46 pm
Well fate has landed me in Redruth until next summer, and I commute down to Penzance on Tuesday and Wednesday each week on the Sleeper. The seats aren’t bad, and they have extra privacy from ‘ears’ on the headrests (sorry, don’t know the term for these?!).

But passenger numbers in the seated coaches do not justify the removal of 2 + 1, especially as a higher density 2 + 1 could have been fitted akin to Voyager first class. Ah well, too late now and just glad that the service is both popular and being invested in


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 23, 2019, 08:11:55 pm
Well fate has landed me in Redruth until next summer, and I commute down to Penzance

Sorry to hear that!  ::) ;D


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on October 16, 2019, 06:05:03 pm
It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.

The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bradbrka on October 16, 2019, 06:09:53 pm
It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.


The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.

They could use the new 0600 service from Plymouth that arrives at Penzance at 0800.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 16, 2019, 07:26:53 pm
It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.

The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.

There’s a new early service on December timetable change

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C45061/2019/12/18/advanced


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on October 16, 2019, 08:41:31 pm
Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 16, 2019, 09:39:52 pm
Of course an opposing point of view might be that it’s nice of GWR to think about its customers by keeping those travelling down on the sleeper in seated accommodation from having their peace and quiet disturbed by a load of noisy commuters loudly tapping on their keyboards and rustling their Metros.


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: grahame on October 16, 2019, 10:16:28 pm

There’s a new early service on December timetable change

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C45061/2019/12/18/advanced

There seem to be an awful lot of westbound trains heading west from Truro ... at Penwithers Junction ...

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/PNWTHRJ/2019/12/18/0702

07:02 - Falmouth Docks (from Truro)
07:12 - Penzance (this one's the sleeper from London)
07:14 - Penzance (from Plymouth)
07:37 - Penzance (from Plymouth)
07:45 - Falmouth Docks (from Truro)
07:57 - Penzance (from Plymouth)


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: bignosemac on October 16, 2019, 10:31:30 pm
Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

Is it definitely a DMU? Could it be a shortened HST?


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 16, 2019, 11:15:42 pm
Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

I believe it’s a 2+4 hst


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: phile on October 17, 2019, 09:27:04 am
Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

Is it definitely a DMU? Could it be a shortened HST?

Looks like a shortened HST


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: The Tall Controller on October 17, 2019, 02:15:19 pm
So the 'nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3s' have been replaced by nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3s that will probably run more reliably!


Title: Re: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb
Post by: Umberleigh on October 19, 2019, 01:26:40 pm
Guess I asked for that...

Good news if its a Castle



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