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Title: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on March 23, 2016, 23:29:02
Network Rail and SWT have officially announced the start and schedule for the planned work to increase capacity at Waterloo. They have headlined it as costing ^800 million, which sounds a lot for stretching platforms 1-4 a bit and reopening 21-24. I'm sure they are counting the Class 707 order in that, and probably other things too. I'm also a bit puzzled why it would take nearly two years (ending December 2018) to make Waterloo International operation again, unless they are going to do a lot to the track.

The BBC's report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35882068) in this case confuses things somewhat - I can't see platforms 1-4 serving Reading! But NR's statement (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/2016/mar/investment-over-%C2%A3800m-Waterloo-upgrade/), as well as SWT News (http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/waterloocapacity.aspx), are a bit more factual:
  • Rebuild the former Waterloo International Terminal, allowing platforms 20-24 to be brought back into use with modern facilities, new track and signalling and a layout suitable for thousands of domestic passengers.
  • Extend platforms 1-4 to allow longer ten-car trains to run to London suburban stations. This work will take place during August 2017 and requires significant changes to the usual passenger timetable.
  • Create a spacious, modern and accessible station concourse near platforms 20-24.

There should be a DfT announcement too, but I can't see one (apart from a similar sounding one about new platforms and trains from 2011!)


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on March 24, 2016, 06:50:41
Network Rail and SWT have officially announced the start and schedule for the planned work to increase capacity at Waterloo. They have headlined it as costing ^800 million, which sounds a lot for stretching platforms 1-4 a bit and reopening 21-24. I'm sure they are counting the Class 707 order in that, and probably other things too. I'm also a bit puzzled why it would take nearly two years (ending December 2018) to make Waterloo International operation again, unless they are going to do a lot to the track.

There is a lot of trackwork required to make the former International platforms work for domestic services; the International platforms were designed for I think 8 tph (4 in and 4 out) and have very limited connections to the domestic network.  There is also quite a bit of structural work to alter the old International station internal layout.

This announcement may also include the re-signalling already going on in the Waterloo area an perhaps the forthcoming Feltham re-signalling.

Its about time the owner of the International station (DfT) got their fingers out, if it had been anyone else leaving a major asset like that used in such a key transport hub there would have been questions in the House and much feet holding to flames in Select Committees.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 24, 2016, 07:45:23
I heard this is causing problems for GWR as a planned diversion into Waterloo might not be able to happen.  Last I heard was a rumour they were investigating the possibility of HST's into Victoria!


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Timmer on March 24, 2016, 08:14:14
I heard this is causing problems for GWR as a planned diversion into Waterloo might not be able to happen.  Last I heard was a rumour they were investigating the possibility of HST's into Victoria!
Interesting. Here's a challenge for someone, has an HST ever visited Victoria before?


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on March 24, 2016, 10:17:06
The BBC's report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35882068) in this case confuses things somewhat - I can't see platforms 1-4 serving Reading! But NR's statement (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/2016/mar/investment-over-%C2%A3800m-Waterloo-upgrade/)...

I think the main NR article has been updated since yesterday.   It previously included a link to an earlier article that included a timeline for the works, but this timeline seems to now be included.   

The timeline actually first surfaced in January, and showed that they have separated the platform work for the international platforms to allow temporary use next summer to work on P1-P8, but they will then re-close the international side for its new concourse and retail work to be finished:  http://www.networkrail.co.uk/wcip/   That earlier piece also does include a false statement that P1-P8 would close for a period in August 2017 to allow for 10 car trains to run to Windsor and Reading.   

The current misleading info seems to be that the work will allow 10 car trains to run on the main suburban side for the 'first time', yet they already run in small numbers into higher numbered platforms, i.e. other than the short P1-P4.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on November 03, 2016, 10:04:57
From the Architects' Journal (https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/10014343.article?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AJ_EditorialNewsletters.Reg:%20Send%20-%20Daily%20bulletin&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWmpVMk5qUmxaVFkzTWpVMCIsInQiOiJXMjhnRkJFcUVXV2RBYmw3QTlIVU1ZMjNUcVlLaHI2eE8yYmRnejNRTERwcnRrTHFBbUxcL21SSVY1U2tXcXdrU1prcmsya2JSMFhub05ZR2NJdGtZTmRIMUkyZGhCYUpuQmJ5VXJ2Z2pvT3c9In0%3D):
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Council approves plans to convert Grimshaw's former Eurostar terminal into shops
2 November, 2016 By Colin Marrs

Corstorphine + Wright has won permission to transform part of the former Eurostar terminal at Waterloo into shops, restaurants, cafés and bars – after Historic England declined to consider the Grimshaw structure for listing

London Borough of Lambeth’s planning committee last night (1 November) gave the thumbs-up to the new scheme to overhaul the former international departures and arrivals lounges, creating 12,444m² of new facilities.

Work has already started on revamping the five platforms within the disused station - the landmark building with its lattice-work arches which sits above the proposed shopping and leisure complex - to increase the number of domestic train services into Waterloo.

In May the 20th Century Society applied for the entire structure to be Grade II listed, but this option has been rejected by Historic England.
...


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on November 03, 2016, 11:46:59
I don't see any architectural merit at all in the concrete box structures that exist below platform level.

The problem for me (with a range of similar articles over the years) is that they often don't adequately explain which area of the station they are going on about.   I wish they'd emphasise more that they are at the outside (York Rd) street level, and one floor above, and won't really be seen from the station concourse.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 03, 2016, 21:27:49
A leaflet from Network Rail and SWT I was given a few weeks ago states that fewer trains will run into Waterloo between 5th to 28th August 2017 because platforms 1-9 will be closed so they can extend platforms 1-4 . These platforms are used for routes via Wimbledon.

Detailed information will be published later about how routes and stations are going to be affected.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on July 26, 2017, 10:04:29
It was announced at the beginning of July that platform 10 will be closed as well as 1-9. Supposedly this is to make sure the work can be finished in the time allowed. So, whatever you had been expecting, expect worse!


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on July 26, 2017, 10:55:35
It was announced at the beginning of July that platform 10 will be closed as well as 1-9. Supposedly this is to make sure the work can be finished in the time allowed. So, whatever you had been expecting, expect worse!

I think it's because the track layout (S&C) changes in the throat extend much further out than originally expected. So preventing trains reaching P10. This might be an indication that certain works that should have been completed in advance were not done when planned.  As well as the obvious lengthening of P1-4, P5-6 are being shortened, and the nose of P7-8 is being realigned.

It's surprising there's not yet been detailed 'before and after' track plans in the rail mags, it's been known that the former international platforms and approaches were finished some months back, test running started a few weeks ago.

Another news item is that for the last (short Tue-Fri) working week of August, while London Bridge area is closed, Southeastern are running a 2 tph Ramsgate service into P21/22.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on July 27, 2017, 20:44:53
Another news item is that for the last (short Tue-Fri) working week of August, while London Bridge area is closed, Southeastern are running a 2 tph Ramsgate service into P21/22.

To achieve this has take 8 months of prep work on the Linford Street Curve, since Eurostar ceased the line had been effectively mothballed, the electrification equipment had suffered severe damage due to lightning a number of years ago, the DfT agreeing to leaving it out of service, a temporary solution is being put in place for this August use and possible use at Christmas. 

Driver route training commence at the beginning of July


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on July 27, 2017, 21:24:15
Most of the material produced on this upgrade (both material and immaterial) has the logos of NR, SWT, and "funded by UK government". However, NR's animated video showing what they are doing (on SWT's upgrade site) ends with "in partnership with" LCR as well as the other two. Do they still have some form of ownership of the erstwhile international terminal?


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on July 27, 2017, 22:25:20
Most of the material produced on this upgrade (both material and immaterial) has the logos of NR, SWT, and "funded by UK government". However, NR's animated video showing what they are doing (on SWT's upgrade site) ends with "in partnership with" LCR as well as the other two. Do they still have some form of ownership of the erstwhile international terminal?

Yes LCR do as their web site says For over 20 years, LCR has been managing, developing and disposing of property assets within a railway context, and in particular assets associated with major infrastructure projects. As guardians of public land, we have a role to play in the Government’s drive for homes, jobs and economic growth.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: ellendune on July 27, 2017, 22:45:39
LCR are not really who you think they are. They no longer own the CTRL (HS1) and are essential another government owned property company.  For a full explanatiom see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_Continental_Railways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_Continental_Railways)


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 14, 2017, 12:14:14
The traditional timelapse video of the 'orange army' of work so far completed can be viewed here:

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/timelapse-60-000-man-hours-in-60-seconds#


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: rogerw on August 14, 2017, 16:43:35
Off to have my own look on Thursday, at least as much as you can see from a train.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 14, 2017, 18:16:30
If you want to look at it all from your armchair, this link was posted on the WNXX Forum: http://sentry.og2.co.uk/waterloo


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: CyclingSid on August 15, 2017, 18:20:30
On the re-direct to Reading; last Saturday I went to Salisbury and found there was a direct train from Reading (P3).Very convenient. On the way back, it appeared that the train sat at Basingstoke for 30 minutes or so, presumably to allow the normal BSK-RDG and XTC services to maintain their timetable. Apparently there were positive comments from RDG passsengers, plus "you should bring back the Brighton service" (how long ago?).


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Timmer on August 16, 2017, 05:56:36
Good news is that platforms 11 and 12 are back in use with just platform 13 closed.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Timmer on August 16, 2017, 10:59:23
That looks like some evidence of their having been two issues (as was reported on SWT's website yesterday morning), perhaps the points giving access to P13 from the P14 approach track are a separate fault?  P13 is now showing NOGO on the opentraintimes map, and as you say P11 and P12 are seeing normal movements via yesterdays main incident site.

http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/wat

Paul
Which is a bit of a shame that the advice given was not to travel today. I know with what was known at the time it was the best advice to give, but how many didn't make their journey today based on that advice? In the case of those who have to travel to work probably not many. Perhaps those who were planning a day out to London may have postponed doing so.

Slightly sad that the last days of the SWT franchise will be remembered for the blockade at Waterloo that will benefit the new franchise and not all the many good things that SWT have achieved over the years. Not saying they were perfect but it has been one of the better franchises.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2017, 11:16:55
Slightly sad that the last days of the SWT franchise will be remembered for the blockade at Waterloo that will benefit the new franchise and not all the many good things that SWT have achieved over the years. Not saying they were perfect but it has been one of the better franchises.

I'm guessing you're not a member of the South Hampshire Rail User Group then?   ;)

First Group must be relieved it didn't happen just after they'd taken over, as that would no doubt have been a difficult start from which to recover.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on August 16, 2017, 11:31:24
Slightly sad that the last days of the SWT franchise will be remembered for the blockade at Waterloo that will benefit the new franchise and not all the many good things that SWT have achieved over the years. Not saying they were perfect but it has been one of the better franchises.

I'm guessing you're not a member of the South Hampshire Rail User Group then?   ;)

First Group must be relieved it didn't happen just after they'd taken over, as that would no doubt have been a difficult start from which to recover.

How do you know it won't have?


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Timmer on August 16, 2017, 11:43:22
I'm guessing you're not a member of the South Hampshire Rail User Group then?   ;)
LOL Nope


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 16, 2017, 12:04:54
I guess SHRUG will be wound down now, because he's been pushing the line that everything that ever goes wrong is down to SWT for years now. 

(I always assume there are very few members of SHRUG - and they don't deserve the coverage  they get.)

Obviously everything will be perfect again from Sunday, just like it was under BR...

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: ChrisB on August 16, 2017, 13:00:22
Further points failures affecting Pl 13....


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2017, 13:08:50
I guess SHRUG will be wound down now, because he's been pushing the line that everything that ever goes wrong is down to SWT for years now. 

(I always assume there are very few members of SHRUG - and they don't deserve the coverage  they get.)

Obviously everything will be perfect again from Sunday, just like it was under BR...

Their website, whilst being triumphant about the change, does state that it will take a while for First to unravel the years of bad work from Stagecoach.  I would expect, if it does continue, that positive news will actually get a mention and any negative news will be either not mentioned or they will claim it only happened because of the poor legacy left by Stagecoach.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 23, 2017, 09:05:28
Interesting article on the Waterloo station changes here: https://www.londonreconnections.com/2017/back-future-relengthening-shortening-waterloo/ and how the new track layout was pre-constructed off-site here: https://www.railengineer.uk/2017/05/17/cemex-constructs-its-biggest-rail-crossing-for-waterloo-station/ with thanks to Paul7755 of this parish for posting that link on another forum.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 25, 2017, 13:22:29
Now that they are into the final phases of work the barrier train seems to be long gone, I think it went around 0230 Thursday.   There's now much less activity than before, haven't seen much in the way of yellow plant either.

I expect most of the interlocking testing is done in lineside locations, is there ever a stage when they actually get a handful of real trains out and test all the moves?

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 25, 2017, 13:41:03
Now that they are into the final phases of work the barrier train seems to be long gone, I think it went around 0230 Thursday.   There's now much less activity than before, haven't seen much in the way of yellow plant either.

I expect most of the interlocking testing is done in lineside locations, is there ever a stage when they actually get a handful of real trains out and test all the moves?

Paul
It depends on the complexity of the alterations.  In this case, just using my experience and personal judgement; no insider knowledge, that it would most likely be a reconfiguration of the interlocking rather than a total rewire and thus not requiring what we call 'Principles Testing' only requiring 'Functional Testing'.  Most of the alterations would probably be in external equipment housings and thus fairly straightforward......

Test trains are very expensive to hire in and run, so if needed they are usually restricted to one.  I once tested the whole of the new North Pole EPS Depot with a single locomotive (and if I recall correctly, it had some 90 signalled routes).


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 25, 2017, 14:04:08
Presumably one of the major aspects is the Wimbledon panel changes, because that is very much a hardware panel as opposed to a display?


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 25, 2017, 17:23:34
Presumably one of the major aspects is the Wimbledon panel changes, because that is very much a hardware panel as opposed to a display?
Possibly.  But the panel there consists of 48x48mm tiles with 'plug-in' LED indications so relatively easy to alter.  The actual wiring is directly fed to/from a remote control system (ex-ML Engineering Ltd TEML-41) that is housed in the control desk, so again fairly easy to re-program/rewire.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 25, 2017, 23:24:26
Another question would concern gauging for the various rolling stock to be used.  Would they have to physically test that, or just rely on accurate measurement?
 
I understood the existing Waterloo had all sorts of limitations as to which platforms could accept certain units or coaching stock, so hopefully they've allowed for more flexible use than before...

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 26, 2017, 08:06:12
....and of course there is the traction conductor rail to test for gapping etc.  Calling ET  ;)


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on August 26, 2017, 11:16:23
....and of course there is the traction conductor rail to test for gapping etc.  Calling ET  ;)

Section and sub section proving is done as a "dead" test now ie uses a low voltage continuity test, the only "live" test will be track "alive" at the track circuit breakers if the circuit breakers are renewed; as Waterloo station has "stub end feeds" into the platform the E & P Engineer may ask for a live line tester (used to be a "crate of eggs" but these have more or less been banned from use) at the stop block ends.

Gauging is done by measurement, a hand trolley is initially used which has GPS and laser alinement instruments also the tamper will give accurate positioning and finally any pinch points can be checked by hand


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 27, 2017, 14:56:01
This was posted on the WNXX Forum earlier today:

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The Industrial Action involving platforms 7 & 8 at Waterloo discussed upstream has been suspended for 8 weeks to allow NR to plan an engineering solution to the signalling issues raised. For the 8 weeks trains over 8 cars require an additional person holding driver competancy to assist with signal sighting during dispatch when leaving platforms 7 or 8.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on August 27, 2017, 16:39:25
Gauging is done by measurement, a hand trolley is initially used which has GPS and laser alinement instruments also the tamper will give accurate positioning and finally any pinch points can be checked by hand

Or, have they come over all up-to-date, with gauging done in the CAD/CAE and the track measured to check whether as built=as drawn? Though that's not a huge difference, in practice, but I'm sure that will have been done to the platforms and any other structures.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on August 28, 2017, 09:28:43
Gauging is done by measurement, a hand trolley is initially used which has GPS and laser alinement instruments also the tamper will give accurate positioning and finally any pinch points can be checked by hand

Or, have they come over all up-to-date, with gauging done in the CAD/CAE and the track measured to check whether as built=as drawn? Though that's not a huge difference, in practice, but I'm sure that will have been done to the platforms and any other structures.

Yes gauging is done at the design stage, its one of the Interdisciplinary Checks (IDC) carried out by the Contractors Engineering Manager (CEM) and his/ her Contractors Responsible Engineers (CRE) one per discipline (Track, E&P S&T Structures etc) then the NR DPE (Designated Project Engineer) and his / her team of Project engineers carry out an IDR (Interdisciplinary Review) this is not the same as an IDC more an over view to ensure the IDC has be rigorous.

From the design data would be issued for the test and inspect checks as its built and then finally there is the commissioning and Entry into Service (EIS) each discipline has it own process for this but all the certs need to come together for the CEM to enter it into service, note its the contractor who takes this responsibility as its their liability.

So in a nutshell there still needs to be some physical measurements taken on site most are done by machines either by laser and GPS or with a gauging profile fitted but there are some places where manual methods are still used 


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Surrey 455 on August 28, 2017, 19:44:12
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South Western Railway Alert Service <noreply@nexusalpha.com>
17:51 (1 hour ago)

 to me
Dear Customer,

A further five platforms at London Waterloo had to be closed from 16:00 this afternoon to help support the ongoing engineering works, resulting in platforms 1 -19 being closed.
Train services running across the whole South Western Railway network may be delayed or revised. We are anticipating disruption until the end of the day.

What We're Doing About It

Services from Exeter St. Davids will terminate at Basingtoke.You should change at Basingstoke to the next available London Waterloo bound service to continue your journey.

Services to Exeter St. Davids will commence from Basingstoke.You should travel on a Basingstoke, Bournemouth, Southampton Central or Weymouth bound service and change at Basingstoke.

Services to and from Guildford via Epsom will be suspended. You may use Southern services to and from London Victoria via Clapham Junction.

How We're Helping You Complete Your Journey

You may use your rail ticket on:

- Southern services via any reasonable route.
- Thameslink services via any reasonable route.
- Great Western Railway services via any reasonable route.
- Cross Country services between Bournemouth and Reading via Basingstoke.
- London Underground services via any reasonable route.
- TFL buses across the South Western Railway network.

Replacement buses will be in operation between Guildford and Leatherhead in both directions, operating every half hour, commencing from Guildford at approximately 18:00 and Leatherhead at approximately 18:30.

We are in the process of organising supplemental road transport. More details will be provided as soon as they have been confirmed.

The reduction in services will mean that trains will be much busier than normal. We strongly recommend you allow extra time to travel and check your journey before setting off by using http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/.

We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.

Thank you,
South Western Railway

Will they finish tonight? I'm starting to worry about my journey to work tomorrow now. I'm expecting to wake up, turn my phone on and see multiple emails from SWR have arrived warning of delays and cancellations.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 28, 2017, 21:03:11
Unconfirmed but I'm hearing they're running 24 hours late.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 29, 2017, 06:58:35
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/168727.aspx

Warning of severe delays for most of the day on the BBC


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 29, 2017, 08:07:22
Trains now (0800) appear to be running from most of the expected platforms for today, i.e. 1-20.  Not sure what proportion of the original timetable for today is running though.

Update at 1337, full timetable hoped for by 1400.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: eightf48544 on August 30, 2017, 09:25:37
Further Problems today some lines blocked.

Not a good start for South Western Railways


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on August 30, 2017, 09:58:23
Further Problems today some lines blocked.

Not a good start for South Western Railways

Yes, I heard that on the news this morning. However, having run through the arrivals into Waterloo up to 9:00 I can only see one that's over 10 minutes late, and that was less than 20 minutes lost around Raynes Park. So was there a problem with the signals - or someone in BBC local news having a problem with telling today's reports from yesterday's?


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on August 30, 2017, 17:34:35
Yes, I heard that on the news this morning. However, having run through the arrivals into Waterloo up to 9:00 I can only see one that's over 10 minutes late, and that was less than 20 minutes lost around Raynes Park. So was there a problem with the signals - or someone in BBC local news having a problem with telling today's reports from yesterday's?

IIRC the opentraintimes live map showed P1 blocked for a fairly short time.   The BBC tend to report these things as though the world is about to end, and then leave the story 'live' all day...

Probably the usual sort of teething troubles.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on August 30, 2017, 22:52:12
BBC South Today just now were reporting that the low-numbered platforms (not sure how many) will close again tonight, for more fixing. There was talk about people being unaware of their last train being cancelled.

This is on SWR's site (https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/live-departures-and-arrivals), though not in all the obvious places:
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Alterations to services due to additional late night engineering works at London Waterloo

We have been advised that access is required at  London Waterloo station from 22:45 to work on signalling equipment, this access will limit the number of platforms trains can use.

Seven trains will be altered this evening and advertised trains may leave London Waterloo from different platforms.

The following services have been amended:

·        21:33 London Waterloo via Twickenham train will terminate at Raynes Park
·        21:46 Guildford to London Waterloo train will terminate at Wimbledon
·        22:07 Guildford to London Waterloo train will terminate at Wimbledon
·        22:57 London Waterloo via Twickenham train will start at Raynes Park
·        22:15 Alton to London Waterloo train will terminate at Surbiton
·        23:03 London Waterloo to Guildford train will start at Wimbledon
·        23:48 London Waterloo to Basingstoke train will start at Surbiton

If you are travelling from London Waterloo station later tonight, you are advised to check your journey before travelling.

If you have advanced booked tickets for these trains, you will be able to travel on alternative trains.

So that looks like a case of having to take an alternative train and change - the question is whether in any cases the Waterloo departure is earlier.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on August 31, 2017, 21:27:07
Back to normal ... and today's normal is:
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Incident created
    31/08/2017 18:49
Last updated
    31/08/2017 19:31
Route affected
      Between London Waterloo and Portsmouth Harbour / Alton / Guildford / Epsom / Woking / Reading / Weymouth / Poole
TOC(s) affected
    South Western Railway; 
Description
    Following a track circuit failure at London Waterloo all lines have now reopened.
    What's Going On:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00.
    What South Western Railway Are Doing About It:
    The signalling problem at London Waterloo has been temporarily fixed to allow trains to run on all lines. Engineers will be applying a permanent fix later today.
    South Western Railway may need to alter some trains but it will now have a minimal affect on the wider service.

The Twitter timeline shows that it only took 10 minutes from problem to all lines open, or rather it looks like platform 8 is not being used. Much the same happened earlier and took longer and led to a couple of trains being part cancelled.

There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on September 01, 2017, 13:25:54

There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.

P21 and P22 was planned for SE.  I think what has been happening is that if disruption to the wider SWR service is forecast, then they are being pre-emptively diverted to Blackfriars. Lose access to a main line (whether DMF, UMF, UMR) in the station throat and the knock on effects ripple across the other 5 lines.

The fact that Blackfriars appears to have spare capacity to take that 2 tph service anyway is intriguing, it is as if the four days planned at Waterloo was only being done to create a precedent for future use?

There seems to be a greater emphasis on normal "run of the mill" random faults at the moment.   AIUI no recent modifications were made to the platform lines on the Windsor side and in the middle of the array of platforms used by main fast trains.  It stands to reason that there will be a minor fault every few days or weeks, it has always been so.

Paul


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Electric train on September 01, 2017, 22:32:43

There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.

P21 and P22 was planned for SE.  I think what has been happening is that if disruption to the wider SWR service is forecast, then they are being pre-emptively diverted to Blackfriars. Lose access to a main line (whether DMF, UMF, UMR) in the station throat and the knock on effects ripple across the other 5 lines.

The fact that Blackfriars appears to have spare capacity to take that 2 tph service anyway is intriguing, it is as if the four days planned at Waterloo was only being done to create a precedent for future use?

There seems to be a greater emphasis on normal "run of the mill" random faults at the moment.   AIUI no recent modifications were made to the platform lines on the Windsor side and in the middle of the array of platforms used by main fast trains.  It stands to reason that there will be a minor fault every few days or weeks, it has always been so.

Paul

There are no long term plans to run SE Trains into Waterloo, once this Christmas is over he temporary electrification infrastructure put in place to enable the use of lindford St curve gets removed; indeed there is no capacity at Waterloo for SE Trains.

The reason it was decided to run SE Trains into Waterloo was for the benefit of passengers from Kent that normally use Waterloo East and Charing Cross.   There is no added capacity at Blackfriars currently a number of services are not running into Blackfriars during the London Bridge rebuild, the same as Thameslink services are not running via London Bridge, in fact the TLP trains via Loughborough Jcn and Herne Hill are taking the paths of the Blackfriars terminators, in the 2018 full opening of London Bridge there will be reinstatement of Blackfriars terminators.
   


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: stuving on December 11, 2018, 15:06:12
At the start of this work (and thread) the opening of the revamped international platforms was due this month (NR's web site still says they all will). And yesterday P21-22 did in fact open, though 23-24 are now not due to do so until next May. Given that the extra trains that rely on the extra platforms aren't yet running (and the date of that timetable change, like all of them, has a credibility problem), I guess that rates a small cheroot. 

What can they be still be doing to P23-24, with hardly any possession time? Perhaps not much, but they just put highest priority on opening something on time so this bit is not quite there yet.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 11, 2018, 15:25:00
As you say, they don't really need 23-24 yet, and would probably cost money to staff, clean and maintain those pair of platforms, probably easier to keep it under wraps until they plan on properly using them.


Title: Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched
Post by: paul7575 on December 11, 2018, 16:33:39
As you say, they don't really need 23-24 yet, and would probably cost money to staff, clean and maintain those pair of platforms, probably easier to keep it under wraps until they plan on properly using them.
There are suggestions elsewhere that they may well be available in emergency.  They were used during the 2017 blockade, so presumably (hopefully?) the track work and signalling is still functional.

Paul



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