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Title: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: phile on September 27, 2016, 17:43:56
I've noticed recently a large number of trains from Paddington to Cheltenham and the return workings being cancelled on a Sunday due to traincrew issues.     It strikes me that these services are the first ones to take a hit when crew shortages.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2016, 19:12:42
I've noticed recently a large number of trains from Paddington to Cheltenham and the return workings being cancelled on a Sunday due to traincrew issues.     It strikes me that these services are the first ones to take a hit when crew shortages.

The Golden Valley is also hosting London to South Wales services at present, and I've seen at least one occasion on which the South Wales services have made some extra stops to cover for a missing Cheltenham. If something *has* to go, it would seem logical for the cancellations to be Cheltenham services while the Severn Tunnel's shut.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 17, 2017, 12:49:09
What with tomorrow expected to be a scorcher and it being fathers day, I was going to suggest anyone with plans to travel to/from Cheltenham may as well give up now with the usual driver shortage no doubt coming into force. However I see all weekend its buses to/from Swindon anyway so probably a good thing for planned engineering works.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: patch38 on June 17, 2017, 13:00:34
Yup - line closed all weekend. General situation not helped by a power car fire at Swindon this morning:

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15354495.Chaos_at_Swindon_station_after_train_fire/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15354495.Chaos_at_Swindon_station_after_train_fire/)


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Weekend commuters have been faced with long delays this morning, after a train engine caught fire at Swindon railway station.

Firefighters were called at 9:31 this morning after reports of a fire in a railway train engine. Three crews from Swindon and Strattor fire stations rushed to the scene, where they were joined by a Railway Incident Officer.

A firefighter at the scene said there had been no casualties.

The three fire engines left the station at around 11:15 this morning. But those attempting to travel continue to face long delays to their journeys.

Daryl Hearn, 25, was due to travel to Bristol for his stag do. The Swindon man, surrounded by six pals all dressed in monkey costumes, said: "We're going to get a taxi now."

Mohammed Innamulaha, 35, was waiting in line with his five-year-old daughter for a train to Bristol. "She has a birthday party." he said. "I think we should be able to make it."

Another man, Phil, who only wished to give his first name, still hoped to make it to London for a matinée performance of musical Bat Out of Hell - the tickets for which had been booked months ago.

Asked if he thought he'd reach the theatre in time Phil, 68, said: "I don't know. I've got a reserved seat, but I don't know how they're going to the run the trains."

Wroughton woman Rachel Radley-Leach had been queing for ten minutes when she told us: "I'm meeting my friend from Hereford. She's in Cardiff and I'm stuck here."

Standing beside her was new friend Kristie Lloyd. The pair had just met in a pub across from the station. Kristie said: "I'm supposed to be seeing my father in Carmarthen."

Disruption continues to some services, although the timetable appears to be largely back to normal.

The Adver seems to have managed to wring a dramatic story out of it, liberally dotting it with words like 'chaos' but I'm sure it was fairly minor. You've got to feel sorry for the chaps dressed in monkey costumes though - it was 26C in Swindon around lunchtime  ;D


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: ChrisB on June 17, 2017, 16:01:08
"....railway train engine...."

What other type of train fitted the bill? :-)


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: patch38 on June 17, 2017, 18:36:09
From a later update to the same article:

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A spokesman for Great Western Railway, which operates the station, said: "There was a small fire on the rear locomotive, away from passenger areas, of a London bound train which was reported by a member of the public. The Dorset and Wiltshire Fire Brigade attended to the fire at Swindon station and the customers on-board changed to the next available service."

'Railway train engine' has gone, replaced with:

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Firefighters were called at 9:31 this morning following reports of a fire in the exhaust system of a Great Western Railway passenger train.

The name 'Stratton' has also now been corrected.

Maybe the journo reads this forum!


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: ChrisB on June 17, 2017, 22:22:57
Dorset fire brigade?.....or has it combined with the Wilts brigade? (Doubtful, personally)


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on June 17, 2017, 22:26:55
Dorset fire brigade?.....or has it combined with the Wilts brigade? (Doubtful, personally)

Yes, they have combined.- https://www.dwfire.org.uk


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Phil on August 22, 2017, 20:07:12
Dorset fire brigade?.....or has it combined with the Wilts brigade? (Doubtful, personally)

Yes, they have combined.- https://www.dwfire.org.uk

At the time the merger was being discussed I wrote and suggested that they named it the Dorset Wilts Area Rescue and Fire Service (DWARFS)

For some reason my idea didn't come to fruition (although I did get a very funny email back from the then community coordinator for Wiltshire, who probably already knew his job was going to be merged out of existence...)


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 22, 2017, 22:19:35
 ;D


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 24, 2017, 22:20:13
The recently merged Dorset and Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service have also been making the news elsewhere - on the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135).  ::)



Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: JayMac on August 24, 2017, 22:36:51
The recently merged Dorset and Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service have also been making the news elsewhere - on the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135).  ::)

Not so much a rescue from the flames. More a postponement.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Rob on the hill on August 25, 2017, 10:04:31
The recently merged Dorset and Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service have also been making the news elsewhere - on the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41012135).  ::)

A case of "Out of the fire into the frying pan".  ;)


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 27, 2017, 10:36:54
I've noticed recently a large number of trains from Paddington to Cheltenham and the return workings being cancelled on a Sunday due to traincrew issues.     It strikes me that these services are the first ones to take a hit when crew shortages.

Today, 27 August 2017 being no exception but the excuse today is due to urgent track repairs BUT if this is so why aren't the Cheltenham / Gloucester - Swindon shuttles cancelled also IF the track needing the urgent repairs is on the Golden Valley route. IF the track needing urgent repairs in on another section of the route i.e. between Swindon and Paddington why not use the stock from one of these cancellations as a shuttle to Swindon connecting with Bristol - Londons and South Wales - Londons which seem to be running more or less as planned.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: patch38 on August 27, 2017, 11:09:59
Something to do with a weight limit on the particular section of track perhaps? The shuttles are, at most, 3-car DMUs whereas the London Paddington services are HSTs - significant difference in tare weight.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on August 27, 2017, 13:41:41
Something to do with a weight limit on the particular section of track perhaps? The shuttles are, at most, 3-car DMUs whereas the London Paddington services are HSTs - significant difference in tare weight.

OR ... are they running single line at a point where trains pass each other in normal service?


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: bobm on August 27, 2017, 16:49:42
I am sure first thing this morning the cancellations were put down to crew shortages and only affected down services - as I was trying to work out why the return workings were not being cancelled.

This afternoon there are rail replacement buses from Swindon (or in the case of this one - a rail replacement choo choo!)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/rrc.jpg)


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 27, 2017, 18:28:44
Since my post earlier today notice Bristol - Londons are now being cancelled due to urgent repairs to the track which are probably due to later journeys in the diagrams involving the cancelled Cheltenham - Londons.

Also I noted that there is NO line updates which I would expect to see on journeycheck if there was a need to carry out urgent repairs on any line.

Me thinks this reason is a smokescreen following earlier posts on this topic regarding cancelled services on a Sunday and no, South Wales services aren't being diverted via Gloucester today either.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on August 27, 2017, 18:59:28
Me thinks this reason is a smokescreen following earlier posts on this topic regarding cancelled services on a Sunday and no, South Wales services aren't being diverted via Gloucester today either.

I have never seen the system that tells us public about "changes" to services give multiple reasons.   "We can't run this train because we haven't got a driver who knows the way, and in any case the line is closed because of an exploding pigeon" isn't a standard reason that's available.

If a service isn't running because of a lack of drivers, it would seem to be a sensible opportunity to make urgent fixes, rather than have to close it again later at a time that there are train drivers available.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: Adelante_CCT on August 27, 2017, 19:14:49

Great Western may tell you one thing, but other sources give alternate reasons:
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This service was cancelled throughout due to a planned cancellation by the train operator (PG).


The below is from GWR website
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Sunday 27 August 2017

Due to issues including late notice engineering work, there will be disruption to a small number of our services on Sunday and we will be running a reduced service on some routes.

The following services have been cancelled:

London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads

14:00, 15:27, 17:27, 18:27, 19:27

London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa*

08:27, 10:27, 12:28, 14:27, 15:27, 16:27, 18:22

Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington

08:15, 10:30, 11:30, 13:00, 15:00, 16:00, 17:00

Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington*

11:18, 13:33, 15:33, 17:33, 19:32

*Scheduled shuttle trains will continue to run between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon.

Having said that the 16:00 from Bristol did run, just 15 late throughout.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on August 27, 2017, 20:01:04

Great Western may tell you one thing, but other sources give alternate reasons:
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This service was cancelled throughout due to a planned cancellation by the train operator (PG).


The below is from GWR website
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Sunday 27 August 2017

Due to issues including late notice engineering work, there will be disruption to a small number of our services on Sunday and we will be running a reduced service on some routes.


http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C26253/2017/08/27/advanced

Up service showing on DOWN main at Challow.   Single line operation somewhere between Didcot and Swindon, and that thinning out is logical.   2 trains an hour each way between Swindon and Didcot, one to Bristol and one to Swansea. Remove the extra Cheltenhams and Bristol 2nd hourly train.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: phile on August 27, 2017, 20:35:53
I challenged GWR on Friday (Via Twitter) asking them what the other issues, mentioned in addition to the Engineering aspect, actually were.    The reply I received was that there was an HST out of action following the derailment at Paddington last week, so left me wondering how 1 x HST out of order could be responsible for the cancellation of this number of trains.   I have told them today that this had been rumbled and would have preferred openness and honesty.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 27, 2017, 21:37:10

Great Western may tell you one thing, but other sources give alternate reasons:
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This service was cancelled throughout due to a planned cancellation by the train operator (PG).


The below is from GWR website
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Sunday 27 August 2017

Due to issues including late notice engineering work, there will be disruption to a small number of our services on Sunday and we will be running a reduced service on some routes.


http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C26253/2017/08/27/advanced

Up service showing on DOWN main at Challow.   Single line operation somewhere between Didcot and Swindon, and that thinning out is logical.   2 trains an hour each way between Swindon and Didcot, one to Bristol and one to Swansea. Remove the extra Cheltenhams and Bristol 2nd hourly train.

If, as suggested, the urgent repairs to the track was between Swindon and Didcot, the Cheltenham to Paddingtons could have still run and connected into the Paddington bound services at Swindon with the crews having their breaks at Cheltenham, after return trip to/from Swindon, rather than at Paddington.

The Cancelled Bristols could have run via the B & H for the day.

The only possessions I could see earlier today on OTT was on the main line at Slough where main line services were crossed to the slow lines at Dolphin Junction.

Reminds me of a product of pig meat being sold here, would be nice to have one now with my beer.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 27, 2017, 21:44:49
Lets see what reliabilty next and subsequent Sundays services produce.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: phile on August 28, 2017, 09:19:27

Great Western may tell you one thing, but other sources give alternate reasons:
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This service was cancelled throughout due to a planned cancellation by the train operator (PG).


The below is from GWR website
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Sunday 27 August 2017

Due to issues including late notice engineering work, there will be disruption to a small number of our services on Sunday and we will be running a reduced service on some routes.


http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C26253/2017/08/27/advanced

Up service showing on DOWN main at Challow.   Single line operation somewhere between Didcot and Swindon, and that thinning out is logical.   2 trains an hour each way between Swindon and Didcot, one to Bristol and one to Swansea. Remove the extra Cheltenhams and Bristol 2nd hourly train.

If, as suggested, the urgent repairs to the track was between Swindon and Didcot, the Cheltenham to Paddingtons could have still run and connected into the Paddington bound services at Swindon with the crews having their breaks at Cheltenham, after return trip to/from Swindon, rather than at Paddington.

The Cancelled Bristols could have run via the B & H for the day.

The only possessions I could see earlier today on OTT was on the main line at Slough where main line services were crossed to the slow lines at Dolphin Junction.

Reminds me of a product of pig meat being sold here, would be nice to have one now with my beer.

All GWR would say when asked about the location of the Works was that they were in the London area


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: ellendune on August 28, 2017, 09:49:26
All GWR would say when asked about the location of the Works was that they were in the London area

I do not regard Challow as being in the London area


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on August 28, 2017, 10:09:22
All GWR would say when asked about the location of the Works was that they were in the London area

I do not regard Challow as being in the London area

I think the express lines may have been closed somewhere near Dolphin Junction too, forcing all the fast main line traffic onto the slow relief lines.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: bobm on August 28, 2017, 13:46:02
All GWR would say when asked about the location of the Works was that they were in the London area

I do not regard Challow as being in the London area

Even in the days of the original GWR, their London Division only went as far west as Milton.  Challow is around another 10 miles further on.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: stuving on August 28, 2017, 15:42:58
There were several pages of possessions early on Sunday in the EAS, from Paddington out past Reading. All platforms at Reading were closed until 08:10, then during the day P12-15 and the Reliefs elsewhere too. I guess one of those look-and-grease operations might have spotted something serious enough to need fixing that day (or even caused it, of course).


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 28, 2017, 16:24:44
All GWR would say when asked about the location of the Works was that they were in the London area

I do not regard Challow as being in the London area

Even in the days of the original GWR, their London Division only went as far west as Milton.  Challow is around another 10 miles further on.


Hiya Bobm,

Remember me, I met you and your partner in the Knights Templar at Temple Meads after the SPM Open Day last year.

I too remember seeing a sign by the trackside whilst travelling back home for weekends or at holiday times whilst I was at College in Slough. It had  "  <-- Bristol Division | London Division -->  "  on it but cannot for the life of me remember between which stations it was because at that time all the stations between Didcot and Swindon were still open. One of my last returns to Slough whilst at college was to journey all the way back to Slough calling at all stations which involved 4 trains, Temple Meads to Bath, Bath from the up bay platform to Swindon, Swindon from a bay platform on the downside of the then Swindon station to the down bay at Didcot thence finally joining an all stops Oxford to Paddington service for the last leg to Slough.

Them were the days when the Blue Pullman was running and to guarantee a seat I splashed out the extra 5/- (25 pence for younger readers of this forum) at holiday times to travel home in what was luxury in them there days. I remember on one occasion when I was travelling on it, the inbound service was late and it went into one of platforms 9 - 12 which were usually only for arrivals hence the two signal boxes PADDINGTON ARRIVALS SIGNAL BOX between platform 12 and 13 and PADDINGTON DEPARTURES SIGNAL BOX on the platform 1 side of the station throat. However even though the inbound service was late it still left on time for its 1hr 55min journey to Bristol calling at Bath Spa only. Lovely trains those Blue Pullmans, pity one didn't survive into preservation.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: phile on August 28, 2017, 19:02:39
There were several pages of possessions early on Sunday in the EAS, from Paddington out past Reading. All platforms at Reading were closed until 08:10, then during the day P12-15 and the Reliefs elsewhere too. I guess one of those look-and-grease operations might have spotted something serious enough to need fixing that day (or even caused it, of course).

The announcement was published in a "suspicious" and vague manner by GWR on Friday.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: bobm on August 28, 2017, 19:25:16
Remember me, I met you and your partner in the Knights Templar at Temple Meads after the SPM Open Day last year.

Never forgotten   ;D

I too remember seeing a sign by the trackside whilst travelling back home for weekends or at holiday times whilst I was at College in Slough. It had  "  <-- Bristol Division | London Division -->  "  on it but cannot for the life of me remember between which stations it was because at that time all the stations between Didcot and Swindon were still open.

If it was the same place as in pre 1947 GWR days it would have been between Didcot (Parkway) and Steventon.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on August 28, 2017, 19:28:39
There were several pages of possessions early on Sunday in the EAS, from Paddington out past Reading. All platforms at Reading were closed until 08:10, then during the day P12-15 and the Reliefs elsewhere too. I guess one of those look-and-grease operations might have spotted something serious enough to need fixing that day (or even caused it, of course).
Acronyms

What is an EAS and could moderators add to Acronyms page.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: John R on August 28, 2017, 19:55:41
Given the context I'll guess Engineering Access Statement.


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: rogerw on August 28, 2017, 20:19:53
The timetables for services to/from Paddington on Sundays are based on a two track railway


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: grahame on February 11, 2018, 13:21:22
Following up on today's significant cancellations (virtual wipe out?) of London to Cheltenham Spa through services, I'm noting that an hourly London to Cheltenham Spa service takes six train sets,  whereas an hourly Swindon to Cheltenham Spa takes only three - in both case subject to up and down trains timed such that layovers are right for such an arrangement.   When the full IET timetable comes into play, is the intent to run a whole train all the way from London to Cheltenham Spa every hour, or to divide the train from London at Swindon and send 5 each to (say) Cardiff and Cheltenham Spa.

One other thing I have wondered - but not being a Gloucestershire person this may be silly - could the train headed up the Stroud Valley call at Gloucester just once - i.e. Stonehouse, Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa, Stonehouse one hour and Stonehouse, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Stonehouse the next?  Are there enough other trains between Gloucester and Cheltenham Spa for this to work?   Is there a crossover south of Cheltenham Spa station that would allow it? 


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: ellendune on February 11, 2018, 13:30:50
One other thing I have wondered - but not being a Gloucestershire person this may be silly - could the train headed up the Stroud Valley call at Gloucester just once - i.e. Stonehouse, Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa, Stonehouse one hour and Stonehouse, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Stonehouse the next?  Are there enough other trains between Gloucester and Cheltenham Spa for this to work?  

Trains can by-pass Gloucester easily, but Gloucester is a significant traffic generator so it might not be sensible. 

Is there a crossover south of Cheltenham Spa station that would allow it? 

The crossover is just north of Cheltenham Spa station where the turnback siding is. 


Title: Re: Cancellations Golden Valley
Post by: martyjon on February 11, 2018, 14:00:05
With todays cancellations of these services I wouldn't be surprised if passengers were put on Cross Country services from Cheltenham and on the Bristol/Gloucester/Cheltenham/Worcester services from Gloucester to Bristol Parkway for connecting London services.



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