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Title: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 03, 2016, 01:56:42 Or perhaps not. Reading further, it seems to be only one possibility.
Quote What does the Government want to do? Two paragraphs of long article here:Chris Grayling, the transport secretary, is keen to introduce a “vertical model” on some lines which would allow train companies to have a say over the maintenance of the track. This could mean train operators being given a say over running sections of the rail network as new franchises are awarded by Mr Grayling, starting as soon as next year. Will it make a difference? Mr Grayling hopes so and, when he was shadow transport secretary, said that the “complete separation of track and train into separate businesses” as “not right for our railways”. The changes could eventually lead to cheaper fares and a more reliable train service for millions of commuters because Mr Grayling also blamed this separation of the train from the track for pushing up “the cost of running the railways - and hence fares - and has slowed decisions about capacity improvements”. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/02/exclusive-network-rail-stripped-control-britains-train-tracks/ Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Electric train on December 03, 2016, 18:19:37 Quote Mr Grayling hopes so and, when he was shadow transport secretary, said that the “complete separation of track and train into separate businesses” as “not right for our railways”. And which political party came up with the air brained scheme in the first place ??? they say 15 minutes is a long time in politics seems 20 years to lead to political amnesia Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: TaplowGreen on December 03, 2016, 19:57:33 Sounds like the lunatics are taking over the asylum..............
Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: SandTEngineer on December 03, 2016, 20:52:21 Sounds like the lunatics are taking over the asylum.............. That's not very kind to those of us that have to work in the Lunatic Asylum....... ::) :P Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Oberon on December 03, 2016, 20:56:35 The abolishing of vertical integration was surely one of the daftest aspects of privatisation
Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: ellendune on December 03, 2016, 22:34:03 The abolishing of vertical integration was surely one of the daftest aspects of privatisation The freight companies, take a different view and they will fight this as they see it as marginalising their business. Whatever you think every time you remodel the industry it costs money. Arguably, although the split may have been a cause of they safety issues that lead to a number of accidents, a further change if not extremely well managed could lead to another reduction in safety standards, if only because management's eyes are taken off the ball. Major project delivery could also be knocked further off course for the same reason. Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: TaplowGreen on December 04, 2016, 10:02:55 The abolishing of vertical integration was surely one of the daftest aspects of privatisation Major project delivery could also be knocked further off course for the same reason. ..........knocking it even further off course would be quite an achievement (of sorts!!!) >:( Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 04, 2016, 19:09:20 I doubt it'll happen though. So far there seems to be nothing other than the minister's "I'd like... ".
Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Noggin on December 05, 2016, 14:31:41 As others have said "on some lines" is perhaps the operative phrase here.
So you could read that as including: - The Scots can have some or all of their network and see how long it takes to muck things up. - Likewise the Welsh can have the bits of their network that don't impact upon the English to play with, but don't call us when you run out of money. - TfL can have a large chunk of the London suburban network provided it promises to be quiet about it and not show everyone else up. - The rest is up for discussion, if TfN, Merseyrail and Nexus fancy building their expires However, I rather suspect that, having put the wind up NR, filled up the media nicely for a few days and given the public the impression that a shakeup is imminent. Mr Grayling will have been called in for a chat with the PM (who was, after all, a frequent rail commuter) and told that under no circumstances are any English/Conservative voting constituencies to be affected, the policy remains that as many people as possible are to have shiny new trains by the 2020 election, and that anything awkward is strictly to happen post-election in 2021/22 when there's plenty of time before the 2025 election for it to be forgotten about :-) Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: TaplowGreen on December 06, 2016, 07:29:31 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38212467
Title: Re: TOCs to run track too? Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 06, 2016, 08:59:37 Apparently only on the Oxford-Cambridge line for the time being (which of course isn't yet in being... ). The Great University Railway Limited.
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