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Title: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on March 01, 2017, 21:44:18
There's a new survey that's just been started by one of the people involved in the campaign to reopen the Radstock to Frome branch. If anyone wants to add their view it can be found on:

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/2PS8736

The conversation it appeared on is on the Radstock Frome campaign Facebook page.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on March 01, 2017, 22:01:20
Oops, correction, the survey is on

 https://surveymonkey.co.uk/r/2PS8736


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on July 31, 2017, 21:15:26
I've been following the progress being gradually made by the Radstock to Frome line reopening group and today they posted this on their Facepack pages:

http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/north-somerset-railway-you-could-256592

Early days still but they clearly seem to be going about this with some savvy.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: TonyK on August 01, 2017, 16:05:29
A good idea - I wish the group every success.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 01, 2017, 19:31:36
And so do I. Unlike for instance the Bristol to Bath Railway/Cycle Path, there is (probably) enough room there for both track and bikes, so I don't see that as being a problem. And it might be possible to then relocate Frome station to a more central location. Ha ha, really dreaming now!


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: grahame on August 01, 2017, 20:53:31
And it might be possible to then relocate Frome station to a more central location.

You would end up with "Cheese and Grain" and "Wallbridge" as they would be on different lines.  Rather like Bat and Ball and Tubbs Hill.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 01, 2017, 21:19:54
And so do I. Unlike for instance the Bristol to Bath Railway/Cycle Path, there is (probably) enough room there for both track and bikes, so I don't see that as being a problem. And it might be possible to then relocate Frome station to a more central location. Ha ha, really dreaming now!


I walked the route last year and the formation is surprising intact, much with the rails still in situ but the sleepers are well past their sell by date.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 01, 2017, 21:33:34
BTW, their FB page asked for people to "like" it to help demonstrate support. You can even join their group, seems worthwhile for something with fairly realistic prospects of success.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: TonyK on August 01, 2017, 22:23:02
I walked the route last year and the formation is surprising intact, much with the rails still in situ but the sleepers are well past their sell by date.

If only they could be used one last time to deliver new rail and sleepers. It might look good, but I bet it will be a major engineering job. Here's hoping it happens, though!

I took johnneyw's suggestion, and have asked to join the Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/599580693419023/). It costs nowt, and will keep me informed.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: onthecushions on August 02, 2017, 11:19:44

Pity it couldn't extend to Midsomer Norton (S&D) - it would increase the catchment area considerably.

Suspect our enlightened planners have judiciously obstructed the route.

OTC


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 02, 2017, 12:13:41
And it might be possible to then relocate Frome station to a more central location.

You would end up with "Cheese and Grain" and "Wallbridge" as they would be on different lines.  Rather like Bat and Ball and Tubbs Hill.
I know Frome station is on a different line but I have no idea what these names relate to.  ???


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: ChrisB on August 02, 2017, 12:16:14
Bat & Ball is just outside Sevenoaks, but I've not heard Tubbs Hill before - must be well closed years ago!


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: grahame on August 02, 2017, 12:26:01
Bat & Ball is just outside Sevenoaks, but I've not heard Tubs Hill before - must be well closed years ago!

From WikiPedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevenoaks_railway_station

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Sevenoaks railway station was opened on 2 March 1868. It was formerly known as "Tubs Hill", after the adjacent area. There is a second station, on the branch to Swanley Junction, which opened on 2 June 1862. The station is named after the Bat & Ball local inn which is now closed, and serves the north end of the town.

The two lines to Sevenoaks were electrified in January 1935. When the station was reconstructed in the 1970s a new ticket office was built replacing the old wooden S.E.R. building. Two additional side platforms were also abolished.

The name lingered on locally long after it was officially renamed just "Sevenoaks".


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: Oxonhutch on August 02, 2017, 13:13:45
The name lingered on locally long after it was officially renamed just "Sevenoaks".

... and I believe that after the Great Storm of 1987 it was renamed "Oneoak" !  :)


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: ChrisB on August 02, 2017, 13:14:45
So Bat & Ball is older than Sevenoaks on the main line?


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: grahame on August 02, 2017, 13:50:31
So Bat & Ball is older than Sevenoaks on the main line?

Yes, Bat and Ball was originally terminus of the line from Swanley via Eynsford - London Chatham and Dover Railway, opened in 1862.    The South Eastern Railway originally branched off the London to Brighton line at Redhill and ran straight (almost literally) to Ashford via Tonbridge, then in 1868 the heavy engineered line from Orpington via Polhill tunnel, Sevenoaks and Sevenoaks tunnel was opened as a cutoff, and Sevenoaks (Tubs Hill) dates from then.

The two railway companies merged in 1899 to become the South Eastern and Chatham Railway.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 02, 2017, 21:35:30

Pity it couldn't extend to Midsomer Norton (S&D) - it would increase the catchment area considerably.

Suspect our enlightened planners have judiciously obstructed the route.

OTC


The line is actually pretty much intact between Radstock and Midsomer Norton. Largely as footpath/cycle path. A couple of new road bridges would need to be built though.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: rogerw on August 03, 2017, 10:27:33
The line is actually pretty much intact between Radstock and Midsomer Norton. Largely as footpath/cycle path. A couple of new road bridges would need to be built though.
Not to mention a new level crossing which nowadays is very difficult to gain approval for


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: grahame on August 03, 2017, 10:32:55
Not to mention a new level crossing which nowadays is very difficult to gain approval for

If new petrol and diesel cars are to be outlawed, should we start looking at shrinking the private transport network as public transport expands.   Close the crossing, or perhaps a level crossing but only for use under strict signalling by public service vehicles?  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 03, 2017, 11:16:35
Old pictures of Radstock show the line seeming to go under the road. Perhaps a cutting in Radstock centre with the road going straight over? Unlikely but you never know.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 03, 2017, 11:48:28
Which bridges would need rebuilding?


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: stuving on August 03, 2017, 11:54:48
Old pictures of Radstock show the line seeming to go under the road. Perhaps a cutting in Radstock centre with the road going straight over? Unlikely but you never know.

Which road? And which line, come to that - there were all those mine tramways around, too.

The centre of Radstock is a few metres below the land the railways come in on. So the lines naturally kept their height and the roads had to squeeze underneath (as at the market). Frome road was cut off leaving just a subway, and (as now) turned sharply to the north.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 03, 2017, 12:23:53
Which bridges would need rebuilding?

That was referring to the earlier discussion about the stretch between Midsomer Norton and Radstock were there are gaps both by the station and a little further east where the line crossed the road. At this stage the reopening of this stretch has not seriously been proposed though.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: johnneyw on August 03, 2017, 12:25:52
Old pictures of Radstock show the line seeming to go under the road. Perhaps a cutting in Radstock centre with the road going straight over? Unlikely but you never know.

Which road? And which line, come to that - there were all those mine tramways around, too.

The centre of Radstock is a few metres below the land the railways come in on. So the lines naturally kept their height and the roads had to squeeze underneath (as at the market). Frome road was cut off leaving just a subway, and (as now) turned sharply to the north.

Ah yes, my mistake. The roads went under the tracks. Not really practical now.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: bradshaw on August 03, 2017, 14:02:17
I always thought that Radstock had the S&D and GWR lines crossing the road by level crossings, two within 50 yds.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: stuving on August 03, 2017, 15:01:28
I always thought that Radstock had the S&D and GWR lines crossing the road by level crossings, two within 50 yds.

Going just by old OS maps, it's hard to be sure as they are neither clear nor consistent. Some show a bridge, some don't (which is all they ever show for a level crossing) and some mark "subway". I guess there was a level crossing to start with, and an attempt to provide access under the track(s) which never really had the width or headroom to be a proper road.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: bradshaw on August 03, 2017, 16:24:03
Looking at the maps on 'Know your Place" (http://www.kypwest.org.uk) it looks as though there are bridges under each line.
However R A Cooke's Track Layout diagrams Section 18 S&D pages 7-9 show level crossings and Robin Athill's book (2nd edition) on the S&D (p94) comments that the Board of Trade ordered that a bridge be built, which the S&D ignored. They did build a subway which was wide enough for  a single vehicle, which regularly flooded but that was as far as they went.
In addition, the Cornwall Railway Society (http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north--east-of-taunton--honiton.html) has pictures showing the crossings.


Title: Re: Radstock to Frome railway reopening
Post by: grahame on February 10, 2018, 12:52:25
An announcement from the Trustees of the Radstock to Frome Railway Trust (via email and FaceBook groups)

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Radstock to Frome Railway Trust News Bulletin

The Radstock to Frome Railway Trust Annual General Meeting was held on 27th January 2018 and all the motions were passed unanimously. The Trustees would like to express their thanks to the membership for their support and will keep in touch by issuing News Bulletins by email every few months.

We are waiving “official” renewal notices this year and having a “fallow” year for the reasons outlined in the annual report. Subscription reminders will be sent out late in 2017 for the year 2018.
 
However, anyone wishing to support the Trust by making a donation of £10.00 could send a cheque to the Secretary or by Pay Pal on the web site, where it will be gratefully received. Such a donation will provide evidence of the continued support for the project notwithstanding the convoluted negotiations required to gain the necessary permissions to run a regular service between Radstock and the main line. We will continue in our endeavours!



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