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Title: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: grahame on July 13, 2017, 07:20:28 From The Stage (https://www.thestage.co.uk/opinion/2017/richard-jordan-decline-public-transport-key-threat-regional-theatres/)
Quote Decline of public transport is a key threat to regional theatres Today, travelling by public transport to watch an evening performance at the RSC has become reserved strictly for the die-hards Everyone should train for the stage" was a 1980s slogan that ran on one of British Rail’s many advertising campaigns to promote using train travel to the theatre. Last week, The Stage’s associate editor Mark Shenton highlighted the challenges he faced travelling out of London to review a production. He is not alone. The declining service provided by public transport enabling audiences to watch a performance may not be getting the same coverage as some other challenges facing the arts today, but it is just as significant. A few weeks ago, I travelled to Stratford-upon-Avon to watch a Royal Shakespeare Company production. Over many years, trains have carried tourists and theatregoers alike to enjoy the city’s world-famous attractions. But, in the past 18 months, Chiltern Railways (this rail network’s operator), decided to scrap all direct services between London and Stratford-upon-Avon that could connect audiences with a performance. Passengers are now left facing a fast change of train at one of the smaller stations en route. However, any delay (and an infrequent service) risks leaving you stranded for a long-time. If you are planning to return that same night after watching a performance, towards the end of Act II you start to dread the journey that awaits. The Royal Shakespeare Company (working with a bus company) used to jointly run a nightly post-show bus service that connected you with the last train from Coventry directly back to London, but this stopped some years ago. Instead, the only public transport available is a 23.15 train from Stratford-upon-Avon that travels to Oxford. If London is your final destination, by the time you reach Oxford (if you're delayed and miss the onward connection) it's a transfer on to the Oxford Tube bus, which runs all night. In either case, you roll into London in the early hours of the morning. Finally, if you want one last kick in the teeth, this late-night train service from Stratford-Upon-Avon only runs Monday to Friday. I used to enjoy travelling to Stratford-upon-Avon on a Saturday and catching both a matinee and evening performance. Today, travelling by public transport to watch an evening performance at the RSC has become reserved strictly for the die-hards. I use the RSC as one example, but post-theatre public transport is a continuing problem throughout the UK. Even watching a show in London sees many of the last trains back to other major towns and cities having left before the evening performance has ended. Although the story is from Stratford-upon-Avon, I'm posting here to point out from a different perspective to our usual one just how important the late evening service is to the social, leisure, cultural and economic life of the areas it serves. Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: TaplowGreen on July 13, 2017, 07:26:13 Good article.It just further reinforces that the train will never be a viable all round alternative to the car.
Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: ChrisB on July 13, 2017, 08:05:57 It ought to be in the Chiltern board?
Saturday's problem is caused by NR, who refuse to open the line/provide a signallers turn. Also, the RSC know that 2315 is the last oppertunity NR provide to run a southbound service, and could start their performances at 1930, rather than later....very few Shakespeare plays run over 3 hours Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: bobm on July 13, 2017, 10:15:46 Quote Over many years, trains have carried tourists and theatregoers alike to enjoy the city’s world-famous attractions. As a minor point - when did Stratford-upon-Avon become a city? Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: Red Squirrel on July 13, 2017, 10:20:20 Good article.It just further reinforces that the train will never be a viable all round alternative to the car. I'm not sure anyone would argue that trains alone could ever be 'a viable all round alternative to the [private] car'. But for many people the convenience of not having to worry about parking, not having to say 'no' to a second pint, and not having to drive in the dark may outweigh the possible inconvenience of a short walk to the station and maybe a tube or taxi at the other end. A later last train on the Severn Beach line, for example, would open up all sorts of opportunities for travelling to entertainments in Clifton, central Bristol, Bath and beyond. Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: stuving on July 13, 2017, 10:39:08 ... Also, the RSC know that 2315 is the last oppertunity NR provide to run a southbound service, and could start their performances at 1930, rather than later....very few Shakespeare plays run over 3 hours I think you're misreading his point (it's not well explained). It's not the 23:15 time that's the new problem; it's been at that time for decades. It used to run through to Paddington and arrive before 1:30, though that is hardly a convenient time. Now it's a quick change at Oxford onto the Banbury train, which being a stopper doesn't get in until after 2:00, and adds the option of missing the connection. Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: IndustryInsider on July 13, 2017, 10:50:04 The connection does normally get held at Oxford unless it's very late. I remember the days when Thames Trains/FGWL used to run it through to Paddington from Stratford and there was often nobody on it travelling from Stratford to London even then. It's simply too late to arrive back in London to put most people off.
Much more could be done regarding the daytime service though, which has really stagnated under Chiltern. Of course, the Greater Western franchise deal, which was never let in the end, allowed the holder to resume services to Stratford. Hopefully that will feature in the specifications for the new franchise? Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: ChrisB on July 13, 2017, 10:54:36 It's certainly being pushed hard by certain people!
Even if it ran non-stop via Oxford, which it would never do, it's almost a 2 hour journey. The RSC think it's not late enough, so a 1am arrival isn't likely. They need to be realistic - a night out in Stratford from London is going to be a very late night indeed. Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: John R on July 13, 2017, 11:14:13 It would help if theatres and concert venues gave running times of their shows where possible. It's very hard to choose public transport with confidence if you're not sure if you are going to have to bail out early.
Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: ChrisB on July 13, 2017, 11:18:59 Agreed, but the RSC are quite good at that.
Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: Richard Fairhurst on July 13, 2017, 11:19:21 I wonder if Chiltern could extend the current Oxford service to Marylebone, reversing at Oxford. But I tend to agree with ChrisB's point that the solution is in the RSC's hands by starting at 7.30, if they think the market is big enough - which I suspect it isn't.
(On the rare occasions I need to go to Stratford in the daytime, I've taken to getting the train to Honeybourne then cycling along NCN 41 to Stratford - ten very easy, flat miles. Wouldn't recommend it at night though!) Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: ChrisB on July 13, 2017, 11:25:51 Looking at the current last train from OXF to MYB, I suspect NR might have something to say about a train leaving OXF around 0030. But non-stop, it might shave off 30mins.
However, you'd be surprised the number that use the current return of that train to BAN at 0040 (certainly Thurs/Fri)!! Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: Phil on July 13, 2017, 21:23:46 Quote Over many years, trains have carried tourists and theatregoers alike to enjoy the city’s world-famous attractions. As a minor point - when did Stratford-upon-Avon become a city? June 2006 is the earliest I can date it back to. The Daily Telegraph is never mistaken so it must be true. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/cities/3350563/City-spotlight-Stratford-Upon-Avon.html Title: Re: Late night service - more than just a train - also a social and economic enabler Post by: Red Squirrel on July 14, 2017, 10:19:05 The Daily Telegraph is never mistaken so it must be true. Funny, isn't it? Some people don't quite get the fact that Wikipedia is a secondary source; so whilst you'd be advised (by Jimmy Wales, among others) to treat its information with caution, any half-well-written article will cite primary sources which are authoritative. Like the Stratford Town Council (http://www.stratford-tc.gov.uk/home) website, from which one could infer that Stratford considers itself to be a town. As to the Torygraph: good for chips; bit rough for other uses. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |