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Title: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 03, 2017, 22:41:21
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-41141331):

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Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles

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Polperro High Street was left under nearly 4ft of water

People were trapped in vehicles and roads were closed as surface water flooding hit parts of Cornwall.

Overnight rainfall caused water to reach heights of 4ft (121cm) in some places on Sunday.

A flood alert was issued by the Environment Agency, who said the main areas of concern were the rivers Camel, Allen and Bodmin Town Leat.

The fire service advised road users to avoid attempting to drive through flood water.

Cornwall Fire and Rescue Service crews from Launceston, St Austell, Wadebridge and Looe were among those called out to several rescues across the county.

At least six people had to be brought to safety by water rescue teams after becoming trapped in their vehicles, they said.

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Water rescue teams from Bude and Bodmin were deployed

A spokesman from the Environment Agency said all flood defences in the area were holding and no rivers had broken their banks.

He said the flooding was thought to be largely "surface water" caused by blocked drains and heavy rainfall.

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The fire service said it could take as little as 60cm of water to trap a car




Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Pb_devon on September 04, 2017, 07:26:27
The centre photo is a D&SRFS image....I wonder why they thought it necessary to 'pixelate' out the branding on the van?!  Especially when it's clearly a certain hire company!


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 04, 2017, 07:57:02
The centre photo is a D&SRFS image....I wonder why they thought it necessary to 'pixelate' out the branding on the van?!  Especially when it's clearly a certain hire company!

I've commented somewhere else that the pixelating does nothing to disguise a very obvious brand logo.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Timmer on September 04, 2017, 09:50:29
The centre photo is a D&SRFS image....I wonder why they thought it necessary to 'pixelate' out the branding on the van?!  Especially when it's clearly a certain hire company!

I've commented somewhere else that the pixelating does nothing to disguise a very obvious brand logo.
And can be quite clearly seen on the bonnet!


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: old original on September 05, 2017, 18:05:57
If I remember rightly, if you're involved in a road traffic accident and require an ambulance, you or your insurance will get a bill for said ambulance.

I would hope that these "people" (restraining myself) would get a bill from the fire service to cover to cost of pulling them out rather than coming from my council tax. Anyone who thinks they can drive through three and a half feet of flood water deserve to have their bank account drained.

Ranty rant....


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Surrey 455 on September 05, 2017, 21:05:56
The centre photo is a D&SRFS image....I wonder why they thought it necessary to 'pixelate' out the branding on the van?!  Especially when it's clearly a certain hire company!

Does this need adding to the abbreviations list? Google has no idea what D&SRFS is and neither do I.



Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ChrisB on September 05, 2017, 21:08:20
Devon & ?? Fire Service?


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 06, 2017, 00:10:38
Yes, it's the Devon & Somerset Fire & Rescue Service - see https://www.dsfire.gov.uk/index.cfm?siteCategoryId=1 for details.

I shall add it to the Coffee Shop forum's page of acronyms and abbreviations (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html), as requested.  ;)



Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2017, 08:20:38
Presumably Devon & Somerset Rescue & Fire Service? (D&SRFS)?

Or is it actually D&SFRS?


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: grahame on September 06, 2017, 08:45:58
Presumably Devon & Somerset Rescue & Fire Service? (D&SRFS)?

Or is it actually D&SFRS?

Wasn't the issue in Cornwall? 


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2017, 09:01:18
Maybe they sent a water rescue team to help out?


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: stuving on September 06, 2017, 09:10:26
Whatever it said when first posted, that picture in the BBC story is now credited: "Cornwall Fire and Rescue Service".

The other pictures are credited to local units of the CFRS.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 06, 2017, 09:56:52
The centre photo is a D&SRFS image....I wonder why they thought it necessary to 'pixelate' out the branding on the van?!  Especially when it's clearly a certain hire company!

Does this need adding to the abbreviations list? Google has no idea what D&SRFS is and neither do I.



Especially as the photos belonged to CFRS (Cornwall fire rescue service)


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Pb_devon on September 06, 2017, 21:42:54
Many apologies for leading you all up the garden path with my wrong acronym (and mistyping it didn't help!).  In my previous existance I had lots of dealings with the 'east of the Tamar' fire brigade hence using the acronym out of habit, rather than engaging brain.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 09, 2017, 00:27:20
If I remember rightly, if you're involved in a road traffic accident and require an ambulance, you or your insurance will get a bill for said ambulance.

I would hope that these "people" (restraining myself) would get a bill from the fire service to cover to cost of pulling them out rather than coming from my council tax. Anyone who thinks they can drive through three and a half feet of flood water deserve to have their bank account drained.

Ranty rant....

Not sure about a bill for the recovery (likely to be charged at standard police rates if you block a road), but the police can certainly pursue a prosecution of careless or dangerous driving if you become stuck on a flooded road or I f you choose to pass 'road closed' signs.

I have a vehicle which is more than capable of safely getting through a metre of water with a very minor modification, do I deserve to have my bank account drained?!


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2017, 20:32:12
If you then got stuck too, yes


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ellendune on September 09, 2017, 22:28:37
I have a vehicle which is more than capable of safely getting through a metre of water with a very minor modification, do I deserve to have my bank account drained?!

But you cannot see what is under the water.

1) Can you see the edge of the road - you could end up in a ditch
2) The current can be very strong deep water moving at only slow speeds can exert a huge force and wash a vehicle away.
3) Manhole covers may have blown and be invisible - will you be sure that a wheel will not get stuck in an open manhole cover?


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 09, 2017, 22:44:57
I have a vehicle which is more than capable of safely getting through a metre of water with a very minor modification, do I deserve to have my bank account drained?!

But you cannot see what is under the water.

1) Can you see the edge of the road - you could end up in a ditch
2) The current can be very strong deep water moving at only slow speeds can exert a huge force and wash a vehicle away.
3) Manhole covers may have blown and be invisible - will you be sure that a wheel will not get stuck in an open manhole cover?

I am well aware of the dangers of driving into deep water. The previous poster suggested that I should have my bank account drained simply because I think, and know, I could drive through standing water of a metre or so depth which I find a very odd concept indeed!

I've driven through deep water, deep mud, deep snow uneventfully without inconveniencing anyone else. Why should I be financially deprived for that?! On a few occasions I've dragged other unfortunate folk from floods and managed not to get all judgemental/condescending on them. Yes, it's pretty stupid getting stuck and technically breaking the law, but at the end of the day we all make mistakes from time to time.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 09, 2017, 22:53:44
On two occasions in the past, I have driven my Mercedes Sprinter van through standing floodwater, because I knew that it would not be more than two feet deep, on those particular stretches of road.

Any deeper than that, and I wouldn't attempt it.  :-X



Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: ellendune on September 09, 2017, 23:00:30
I am well aware of the dangers of driving into deep water. The previous poster suggested that I should have my bank account drained simply because I think, and know, I could drive through standing water of a metre or so depth which I find a very odd concept indeed!

If you are then fine. Some people do not understand.  I wanted it to be clear.  I was not commenting on the possibility of a fine for trying. 

I forget to mention the possibility that a submerged bridge may have been washed away.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 09, 2017, 23:28:13
On two occasions in the past, I have driven my Mercedes Sprinter van through standing floodwater, because I knew that it would not be more than two feet deep, on those particular stretches of road.

Any deeper than that, and I wouldn't attempt it.  :-X



A previous colleague of mine once took our employers Transit tipper through a flooded stretch of the A487 between Machynlleth and Aberystwyth whilst I took a longer avoiding route through not wishing to attempt the floods in my Landrover...Apparently the water was lapping up around the windscreen...the van survived which is perhaps testament to the durability of the humble 'smiley face' Ford Transit!


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 09, 2017, 23:48:39
I am well aware of the dangers of driving into deep water. The previous poster suggested that I should have my bank account drained simply because I think, and know, I could drive through standing water of a metre or so depth which I find a very odd concept indeed!

If you are then fine. Some people do not understand.  I wanted it to be clear.  I was not commenting on the possibility of a fine for trying. 


Indeed. There have been a couple of cases in the past 10 years or so of people dying as a result of being washed away (one very close to where I live in fact, just a few months ago) and if I remember correctly, one of those where the driver survived resulted in a death by careless driving charge and subsequent imprisonment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11039483 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11039483)

Moving water is the biggest risk when attempting to navigate floods in a road vehicle, flood water is especially deceptive as it generally appears flat and still on the surface but can still be moving with some considerable velocity. Fording rivers which are in a normal flow state is a different kettle of fish entirely.


Title: Re: Cornwall floods leave motorists trapped in vehicles - 3 Sep 2017
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 09, 2017, 23:55:13
Indeed: driving into moving floodwater is generally asking for trouble.  I wouldn't do that.  ;)




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