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Title: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2017, 07:17:54
From JourneyCheck

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Alterations to services between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway

Following a fire next to the track between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway all lines have now reopened.

Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:45 14/09.

From Devon Live (http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/train-catches-fire-exeter-live-473786)

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A train has caught fire in Exeter, closing the line this morning.

Network rail said there would be significant disruption while the fire is tackled and the train removed from the tracks.

Safety checks will also have to be carried out before the line can be reopened.

It is not known how the fire started, and there are no reported injuries at this stage.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: bobm on September 14, 2017, 07:43:08
It was a fire in a power car of the HST which sits overnight in New Yard to form the 05:46 to Paddington.

Fire is now out.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2017, 07:58:01
It was a fire in a power car of the HST which sits overnight in New Yard to form the 05:46 to Paddington.

Fire is now out.

Ah

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05:46 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington due 08:38
05:46 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington due 08:38 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: martyjon on September 14, 2017, 08:02:18
From Fire Service Incident Log


Fire control received a call from a member of british rail stating that an empty passenger carriage was on fire.

5 pumps from in and around the Exeter area were mobilised plus several specialist supporting vehicles and several officers.

Upon arrival this was found to be a fire in the engine compartment of a parked up train. Crews used 2 breathing apparatus, 2 compressed air foam jets and one thermal image camera to extinguish.

Now scaled down, two crews remain on scene making locomotive and area safe and making up their equipment.

No further details for this incident.

 


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: ellendune on September 14, 2017, 08:10:52
Another power car down at the moment! Not going to be easy.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: RichardB on September 14, 2017, 08:53:42
Another power car down at the moment! Not going to be easy.

GWR certainly going through the wars rolling stock wise at the moment.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Timmer on September 14, 2017, 08:56:34
Another power car down at the moment! Not going to be easy.
Was my first thought too. Slightly concerning that another power car has gone up in flames not long after the last one.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 14, 2017, 10:10:51

Fire control received a call from a member of british rail...

 

Gosh..!

(my highlighting)


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: bobm on September 14, 2017, 11:07:04
Presumably the call was received by The City of Exeter Fire Brigade or the Devon Fire Brigade rather than the Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service.  ;)


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: phile on September 14, 2017, 12:48:23
57604, the Sleeper Loco, has run LE from Penzance to drag to Laira


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: woody on September 14, 2017, 14:58:36
Surprisingly not much sign of external fire damage as 43164/171 departed Exeter Street David's for the drag to Laira around 2pm this afternoon.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: SandTEngineer on September 14, 2017, 17:18:25
.....no, but a damn good exhaust fire: http://www.devonlive.com/incoming/article473789.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/Train-fire-in-Exeter.jpg


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: TonyK on September 14, 2017, 17:47:27
Better tell Scotland...


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: John R on September 14, 2017, 17:54:26
No need, it's all over the press there, particularly as it comes on the day Scotrail were announcing the arrival of the first set. It appears they have been quite tetchy over the subject.  Some media have erroneously reported that the train was on its way north at the time. Well I guess it makes a much better story, never mind the accuracy of it.


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 14, 2017, 20:52:39
Another power car down at the moment! Not going to be easy.

GWR certainly going through the wars rolling stock wise at the moment.

One more "than usual" needing repairs?


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Timmer on September 14, 2017, 21:20:23
No need, it's all over the press there, particularly as it comes on the day Scotrail were announcing the arrival of the first set. It appears they have been quite tetchy over the subject.  Some media have erroneously reported that the train was on its way north at the time. Well I guess it makes a much better story, never mind the accuracy of it.
Oh I bet it is. 40+ year old sets replacing much younger rolling stock makes for good headlines especially when they catch fire. They will be glad when they get them, much nicer than a turbostar!


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2017, 22:44:43
Oh I bet it is. 40+ year old sets replacing much younger rolling stock makes for good headlines especially when they catch fire. They will be glad when they get them, much nicer than a turbostar!

The irony indeed is that customers have very little concern indeed for the age of the trains.  They loved the old loco hauled coaches between Cardiff and Taunton - even if they were older that the other trains on the route. And I'll bet passengers LOVE the pocket rockets in preference to the younger 15x they'll be working with on the Cornish main line.

They'll be lovely trains for use north of the lowlands in Scotland - very sensible re-use for them once it was decided to electrify substantial sections out of London of the GW lines and something electric or bimode was needed.   Mind you- do the HSTs use electric transmission, and if to, could pantographs be fitted?


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: JayMac on September 15, 2017, 00:27:15
Pantographs on HSTs???

I've read some fanciful suggestions about life extending HSTs and Mk3s. This one though is off the scale on the wibble-ometer!!!  :P ;) ;D

Although, if you like, I'll pop over the road to Brecknell Willis tomorrow and ask if it can be done!


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 15, 2017, 07:20:35
Now that would really be something to see  :D


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Timmer on September 15, 2017, 08:24:44
They'll be lovely trains for use north of the lowlands in Scotland - very sensible re-use for them once it was decided to electrify substantial sections out of London of the GW lines and something electric or bimode was needed.   
Couldn't agree more. It's just their age can make for good headlines for an ignorant media. I for one am looking forward to them taking over DMUs on the Highland mainline.  Stop me being limited to using the once daily Virgin Highland Chieftain HST service soon to go the opposite direction in becoming a DMU!


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2017, 08:58:10
From The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/40-year-old-train-destined-for-scotrail-catches-fire-1-4559836) within an article entitled "40 year old train destined for Scotland catches fire"

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ScotRail said the trains will provide one third more seats on the routes, more luggage space, power sockets and better catering.

Mr Hynes said: “The arrival of the first high-speed train in Aberdeen is an exciting milestone in our plan to build the best railway Scotland has ever had.

"Our refurbished high-speed trains will connect Scotland’s seven cities, offering better connections for commuters, business travellers and an opportunity for tourists to get out and about across this great country.

“The investment we are making in high-speed trains is a clear sign of the ScotRail Alliance’s commitment to building a world class railway for the whole of Scotland.”

Transport minister Humza Yousaf said: “It is great to see this train arrive in Scotland for driver training, an important step towards delivery.

"Next year sees the start of a transformed inter-city service.

“When the 26 fully-upgraded trains roll out across the country, I know they will be popular with passengers."

Malcolm Brown, chief executive of Angel Trains, which will lease the fleet to ScotRail, said the trains would undergo "interior and technical improvements prior to entering into passenger service to ensure that it can meet the requirements of modern intercity travellers."

Nigel Harris, managing editor of RAIL magazine, said: "Don't be fooled by all this 'old train' nonsense.

"The HSTs are great trains as they stand right now.

"Once they have been refurbished, they will be 'as new' and offer some of the best quality long-distance travel in the UK.

"They will play a key role in giving Scotland not only the railway it deserves but the best railway it's ever had.

"If passengers don't love them I'll eat my hat."


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: chrisr_75 on September 15, 2017, 10:03:37
Pantographs on HSTs???

I've read some fanciful suggestions about life extending HSTs and Mk3s. This one though is off the scale on the wibble-ometer!!!  :P ;) ;D

Although, if you like, I'll pop over the road to Brecknell Willis tomorrow and ask if it can be done!

I just did a very quick Wikipedia search and class 43's are within 3ft of the overall length of a class 90 electric with same wheel arrangement. Logic would suggest that the class 43 bodyshell would have sufficient interior space that they could be recycled to accommodate AC electric control equipment and a transformer. Class 93 anyone?!

Not quite the bi-mode that I think Graham was hinting at, but nevertheless I think conversion to full AC electric could be done relatively easily if the will or necessary budget existed (which I'm sure doesn't!).


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 15, 2017, 10:19:26
Way off topic I know, but I wonder what maximum linespeed these 125mph-capable trains will be able to achieve on their Scottish routes?


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: John R on September 15, 2017, 10:34:13
100mph apparently is all that is envisaged. Given the nature of the routes, trying to achieve anything higher would bring very little benefit.

But I don't think it's an issue that 40 year old stock will no longer be running at its top speed. Good news that these excellent trains will continue to find a use and in doing so improve the journey experience over the current emu's. 

And don't forget, the Pendolinos and Class 91/Mk4s are all capable of 140mph, but haven't run in service above 125mph. That's more of a waste in my eyes.   


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: JayMac on September 15, 2017, 18:25:41
Pantographs on HSTs???

I've read some fanciful suggestions about life extending HSTs and Mk3s. This one though is off the scale on the wibble-ometer!!!  :P ;) ;D

Although, if you like, I'll pop over the road to Brecknell Willis tomorrow and ask if it can be done!

I just did a very quick Wikipedia search and class 43's are within 3ft of the overall length of a class 90 electric with same wheel arrangement. Logic would suggest that the class 43 bodyshell would have sufficient interior space that they could be recycled to accommodate AC electric control equipment and a transformer. Class 93 anyone?!

Not quite the bi-mode that I think Graham was hinting at, but nevertheless I think conversion to full AC electric could be done relatively easily if the will or necessary budget existed (which I'm sure doesn't!).

(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B8VBuNEcQ7EgVVl3ZWpiX1BRSzA)

I wandered over to Brecknell Willis earlier. Found these round the back. Will they do?   :P
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B8VBuNEcQ7Ega2hRempfWDA2aUE)


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 15, 2017, 21:35:18
Oh I bet it is. 40+ year old sets replacing much younger rolling stock makes for good headlines especially when they catch fire. They will be glad when they get them, much nicer than a turbostar!

The irony indeed is that customers have very little concern indeed for the age of the trains.  They loved the old loco hauled coaches between Cardiff and Taunton - even if they were older that the other trains on the route. And I'll bet passengers LOVE the pocket rockets in preference to the younger 15x they'll be working with on the Cornish main line.

They'll be lovely trains for use north of the lowlands in Scotland - very sensible re-use for them once it was decided to electrify substantial sections out of London of the GW lines and something electric or bimode was needed.   Mind you- do the HSTs use electric transmission, and if to, could pantographs be fitted?

What speed will these "rockets" reach in Cornwall?


Title: Re: Train fire incident at Exeter - 14 Sep 2017
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2017, 22:56:11
Another power car down at the moment! Not going to be easy.

GWR certainly going through the wars rolling stock wise at the moment.

One more "than usual" needing repairs?

No, it's rather a case of 'More trains than usual needing extinguishing'.   :P ::) :o ;D




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