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Title: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 02, 2017, 07:40:40 Is there a web site that lists engineering works and overruns? A performance measure like the TOCs have to get 99% done on time? I ask because we only seem to hear the bad news - not the good news of those that work.
Today's news Quote Cancellations to services between Castle Cary and Yeovil Pen Mill Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Castle Cary and Yeovil Pen Mill all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day. Quote Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Newport South Wales Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bristol Parkway and Newport South Wales fewer trains are able to run on some lines. Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day. Further Information An update will follow within the next 2 hours. Replacement Road Transport will operate from Patchway to Bristol Parkway. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: SandTEngineer on October 02, 2017, 08:44:50 Only the Down Line (Pilning to Severn Tunnel Junction) appears to be blocked now (0845 on Monday 02/10/2017). Trains are working bi-directionally using the Up Line. Thats what the signalling was designed for, so good to see it put to some use..... ::)
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: LiskeardRich on October 02, 2017, 09:20:04 A Scotland to southwest Voyager I read yesterday had accumulated 366 minutes late due to overrunning engineering. I’d guess the bad weather is to blame.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: phile on October 02, 2017, 09:34:07 A Scotland to southwest Voyager I read yesterday had accumulated 366 minutes late due to overrunning engineering. I’d guess the bad weather is to blame. No, not quite. 2 HSTs and a Freight failed at locations between Edinburgh and York causing absolute chaos. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: ChrisB on October 02, 2017, 09:49:17 And prior to that, nothing southbound through Berwick before 1000 owing to the over run. It was only after that 1000 had started its journey did two later trains fail.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: ChrisB on October 02, 2017, 09:49:58 In answer to Graham's question, I din't think there is
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: SandTEngineer on October 02, 2017, 13:02:52 Only the Down Line (Pilning to Severn Tunnel Junction) appears to be blocked now (0845 on Monday 02/10/2017). Trains are working bi-directionally using the Up Line. Thats what the signalling was designed for, so good to see it put to some use..... ::) Still shut at 1300.....Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: ChrisB on October 02, 2017, 13:47:11 Didn't / Doesn't journey check say "until end of service"?
Yep - both BPW & WSB are till then. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: froome on October 02, 2017, 17:44:44 Looks like a complete mess now, with as well as all the above no trains now running between Temple Meads and Bath for the next few hours. :-X
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 02, 2017, 18:35:14 Looks like a complete mess now, with as well as all the above no trains now running between Temple Meads and Bath for the next few hours. :-X The 17:36 Swindon to Westbury must have been rammed - with everyone from London to Chippenham who would have been on the 17:30 off Swindon trying to get on board. Real Time Trains reports a late departure from Swindon and four minutes at Chippenham. But even where a line is actually still open ... Quote 18:32 Westbury to Swindon due 19:23 18:32 Westbury to Swindon due 19:23 will be cancelled. This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption. Quote 20:06 Swindon to Westbury due 20:49 20:06 Swindon to Westbury due 20:49 will be cancelled. This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption. OK ... I would have thought there might have been a few crew with no-where to go at Westbury, people at Westbury and Trowbridge looking to get to Bristol (and the sensible way being via Swindon tonight), and people wanting to get to and from Chippenham. Perhaps some of the Portsmouth to Cardiff trains are running to Swindon though? Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: ChrisB on October 02, 2017, 18:53:06 Out of luck. Terminating either Westbury or Bath
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 02, 2017, 19:07:12 Out of luck. Terminating either Westbury or Bath And there goes the one remaining southbound train ... Quote 17:40 Cheltenham Spa to Southampton Central due 20:44 17:40 Cheltenham Spa to Southampton Central due 20:44 will be terminated at Swindon. It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central. This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Trowres on October 02, 2017, 19:08:36 Here's the current nationalrail.co.uk entry for the Castle Cary - Yeovil engineering overrun (my highlighting:
Quote Engineering works not being finished on time between Castle Cary and Yeovil Pen Mill means that trains will not run between these stations today. What South Western Railway Are Doing About It: The following cancellations and alterations will apply to South Western Railway services: 16:46 Yeovil Junction to Salisbury via Westbury is cancelled. - Replacement transport will operate between Yeovil Junction and Westbury. Replacement transport will connect at Westbury with the 19:04 Great Western Railway service to Portsmouth Harbour. (17:30 from Cardiff Central) 16:50 London Waterloo to Westbury via Gillingham will terminate at Yeovil Junction. - Replacement transport will operate between Yeovil Junction and Westbury. 18:50 London Waterloo to Westbury via Gillingham will terminate at Yeovil Junction. - Replacement transport will operate between Yeovil Junction and Westbury. Replacement transport will connect at Westbury with the 23:05 South Western Railway service to Salisbury. (22:23 from Bristol Temple Meads) 22:18 Westbury to Salisbury service will be cancelled. - Replacement transport is expected to operate between Westbury and Salisbury. - Passengers can join the 22:04 Great Western Railway service to Salisbury (20:30 From Cardiff Central) - Passengers can join the 23:05 South Western Railway service to Salisbury (22:23 from Bristol Temple Meads) Customer Advice: Great Western Railway and South Western Railway have mutual ticket acceptance via any reasonable route. Where possible, customers are advised to travel tomorrow (Tuesday 3 October). Great Western Railway tickets valid for travel today will be accepted for travel tomorrow. I can't see any information anywhere on GWR's efforts to provide alternative transport (following the earlier note about no road transport). Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Trowres on October 02, 2017, 19:32:27 And there goes the one remaining southbound train ... Quote 17:40 Cheltenham Spa to Southampton Central due 20:44 17:40 Cheltenham Spa to Southampton Central due 20:44 will be terminated at Swindon. It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central. This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption. Ran as ECS Swindon-Westbury so presumably missing a conductor. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Trowres on October 02, 2017, 19:56:41 2M18 - the Westbury to Cheltenham has managed to leave Westbury and trundle up via Melksham...
...pursued as far as Bradford Jn by the 1C91 Paddington-Paignton, which arrived at Westbury on time and departed (in the Bristol direction instead of Taunton) 34 late. Reason not known. ... and there are reports of a trespass incident at Weston super Mare causing disruption. Not a good day... ... but the 2O00 Cheltenham-Southampton must have found a conductor at Westbury, as it's now restored as 2Z00 Westbury-Southampton. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: RA on October 02, 2017, 20:03:33 A person struck by a train (1A25 16:30 Bristol TM to London Paddington) this evening at Sydney Gardens in Bath and the resultant service alterations have left many crews in the wrong place this evening, compounding the other listed problems. It appears that some of the crews for the 18:32 Westbury to Swindon and 18:48 Swindon to Westbury (17:40 Cheltenham to Southampton) services were trapped the wrong side of the line closure.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 02, 2017, 20:43:20 A person struck by a train (1A25 16:30 Bristol TM to London Paddington) this evening at Sydney Gardens in Bath and the resultant service alterations have left many crews in the wrong place this evening, compounding the other listed problems. It appears that some of the crews for the 18:32 Westbury to Swindon and 18:48 Swindon to Westbury (17:40 Cheltenham to Southampton) services were trapped the wrong side of the line closure. I can understand the reasons ... and presumably some of the crews due to work in the Bath and Bristol area were stuck near Westbury ;) ... and ... the 20:06 Swindon to Westbury cancelled for the same reason ... the 07:33 Westbury to Swindon cancelled due to a train fault ... the 08:49 Swindon to Westbury cancelled due to a train fault ... the 09:48 Westbury to Swindon cancelled due to a train fault and (I think) later re-instated ... the 10:47 Swindon to Westbury cancelled due to a train fault and (I think) later re-instated That's seven services lost of out of 18 - 38% cancellation - and none of those due to issues on the line in question. If these problems were occasional, then fair enough - but overall reliability has fallen through the floor in the last couple of months. By the way - a week ago on Sunday, I reported 12 out of 13 cancellations due to lack of crew. In a conversation today, I learned that 2 were re-instated so the cancellation rate I reported should have been 77% not 92%. Even those of us who are keen advocates of rail find it hard not to get depressed when service after service after service is lost due to lack of working trains, lack of someone to drive them, or lack of someone to look after the passengers. I believe the franchise sets cancellation targets of 1%, or is it 2%; give us the loss of a round trip every couple of days (and this evening's reason would have been logical for today's loss) - that's a 6% failure rate - and we can start to talk more positively again. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Timmer on October 02, 2017, 21:33:13 Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: RA on October 02, 2017, 23:33:43 Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service. There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 02, 2017, 23:59:24 You couldn't make it up ... could you? :o ::)
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 03, 2017, 06:22:34 I can't see any information anywhere on GWR's efforts to provide alternative transport (following the earlier note about no road transport). We are told by Somerset Live (http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/travel-nightmare-train-line-between-561952): Quote Buses were requested to run, however there is currently no road transport available. Where possible, customers are advised to travel tomorrow (October 3). Great Western Railway tickets valid for travel today will be accepted for travel tomorrow." There could indeed be a shortage of buses in Somerset at present, with it being only a few days since Avalon Coaches lost the school contract ... I believe that The buses of Somerset have taken over some the cancelled routes Buses of Somerset being the local First Group operator in the area.Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on October 03, 2017, 07:08:27 There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! You couldn't make it up ... could you? :o ::) What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Timmer on October 03, 2017, 08:11:13 Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service. There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: chrisr_75 on October 03, 2017, 09:19:46 There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! You couldn't make it up ... could you? :o ::) What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her. And the fact that person really ought to have known his or her familiarity of the proposed route before departing! I do hope a stern conversation is had with that person and his or her driver/rostering manager. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: stuving on October 03, 2017, 09:49:32 What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her. I though the concept of route knowledge, and the weighty rule book that Must Be Obeyed, both go back to the days of GWR and the other big railway companies. What surprises me rather is that route knowledge matters that much within a possession, where signals are ignored and the track has just be torn up and relaid. Surely there is a way to work the train there, to do its job, even if getting it back might be a problem. At the worst it gets left at Pen Mill, in a siding or even in a platform, for a day. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: plymothian on October 03, 2017, 12:18:30 Not "as important" but engineering works overran on the Barnstaple line too, causing the 07.00 to run 1 hour late, the 08.43 to be cancelled, the 09.43 to run 20 late, the 10.43 to run 20 late... which then caused the Exmouth line to have its service cut by half to turn the trains to run right time to Paignton with a couple of full Exmouths and Paigntons cancellations.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: TaplowGreen on October 03, 2017, 18:09:13 Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service. There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped. Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: Timmer on October 03, 2017, 20:49:36 Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal. It is for the long suffering passengers as well.Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: TaplowGreen on October 03, 2017, 21:42:51 Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal. It is for the long suffering passengers as well.It's another fine mess they've got us into. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: TaplowGreen on October 05, 2017, 06:26:56 Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 05/10. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: phile on October 05, 2017, 09:46:38 Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 05/10. Reaching epidemic proportions now, especially in London area. Not even sure now when lines were last handed back on time on a Sunday morning. Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: bobm on October 05, 2017, 12:28:22 Last Sunday I believe - but that was the first in a while.
Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: grahame on May 08, 2018, 06:11:34 Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 05/10. Reaching epidemic proportions now, especially in London area. Not even sure now when lines were last handed back on time on a Sunday morning. an old thread ... and an old story again this morning Quote Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and London Paddington some lines are closed. Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:30 08/05. Last Updated:08/05/2018 05:32 For the record, there have been plenty more overruns between the previous post and this one ... Title: Re: Engineering overrruns Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2018, 08:39:50 All clear now
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