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Title: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 01:04:15 pm
Years ago, I remember a press release trying to drum up excitement about the fact that a new consortium of insurance companies trading as The Mall Company had bought The Galleries shopping centre in Bristol, and that to be consistent with their corporate branding they were going to rename it 'The Mall' - something that would make perfect sense were it not for the fact that there was already a well-established and popular shopping centre called 'The Mall' some 11.5km to the north. They were adamant that this would not cause confusion. It did. The name only reverted to 'The Galleries' when they flogged the property to HSBC a few years later.

On their website (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/passengers/station-improvements/new-stations-fund/), NR are referring to the new Portway P&R station as 'Portway Parkway'. Please tell me this name isn't going to stick! Apart from the fact that it's somewhat tonguetwistular, it is within 15km of another popular Parkway station. This way lies madness.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 10, 2017, 01:21:30 pm
An acquaintance used to make weekly journeys between Doncaster (or thereabouts) and Exeter. Being a Yorkshireman who'd never encountered the Parkway concept, he always misheard it as "Bristol Partway". Which is how I think of it now! Though it is, AFAIK, the original Parkway station, taking its name from the M32 which was under construction at the same time, rather than any connection to Park & Ride.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: John R on October 10, 2017, 01:29:21 pm
Yes, it was the original parkway station. In my opinion the subsequent use of parkway has been somewhat devalued, where the only station in a town is given the Parkway treatment purely because it happens to have a big car park and is used by motorists as a railhead (Port Talbot and Didcot being the obvious examples).

After all, Kemble has just had a big expansion to its car park, and I suspect the majority of passengers don't hail from Kemble, so why not call that Kemble Parkway too?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: ellendune on October 10, 2017, 01:40:27 pm
Yes, it was the original parkway station. In my opinion the subsequent use of parkway has been somewhat devalued, where the only station in a town is given the Parkway treatment purely because it happens to have a big car park and is used by motorists as a railhead (Port Talbot and Didcot being the obvious examples).

After all, Kemble has just had a big expansion to its car park, and I suspect the majority of passengers don't hail from Kemble, so why not call that Kemble Parkway too?

Or take a lead from Ryanair and call it Cirencester Parkway!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: John R on October 10, 2017, 01:49:41 pm
Wouldn't Ryanair just call it Cirencester though?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 10, 2017, 01:52:33 pm
No, it would be Kemble-London.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Andy on October 10, 2017, 01:52:55 pm
I've never really understood the sense of "parkway". Take the former Bodmin Road. Driving to Bodmin Parkway and catching the train to Bodmin wasn't possible because when the station was renamed, there was no service into Bodmin. Encouraging people to take the car from Bodmin and surroundings to Bodmin Parkway for travel elsewhere implies a big car park à la Tiverton Parkway.... which there isn't. Besides, if they want to catch the train, they have no choice, anyway.
 ::)

 
 


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Western Pathfinder on October 10, 2017, 01:54:30 pm
Much easier to name it Avonside Park&Ride Station.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 01:56:47 pm
...call it Cirencester Parkway!

To my mind that makes sense, though the good burghers of Kemble might feel somewhat slighted.

I think 'Parkway' is actually a pretty good brand for a big out-of-town station, though as a concept (and notwithstanding the apparant car-bias of the current Western Super Mayor) its days are almost certainly numbered. With over-use, it becomes more like the (real) GWR's amusing habit of calling a station nowhere near the place it purports to serve '...Road', as in 'Bodmin Road'. What's that called these days? Oh.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Timmer on October 10, 2017, 02:05:32 pm
Was the parking at Bristol Parkway actually free when it first open as part of the attraction of using it?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: WelshBluebird on October 10, 2017, 02:07:28 pm
Don't think it matters what they call the station unless they manage to massively increase both frequency and reliability on the line, considering Shirehampton station is so close (10 minute walk) and how much more frequent and reliable the P&R bus service is, the station could well end up being a disaster anyway.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 10, 2017, 02:09:06 pm
With over-use, it becomes more like the (real) GWR's amusing habit of calling a station nowhere near the place it purports to serve '...Road', as in 'Bodmin Road'. What's that called these days? Oh.
Confused by also naming stations 'Something Road' because they're on 'Something Road', like Stapleton Rd and St Andrew's Rd. Has anyone ever ended up at the latter expecting a Scottish university or a round of golf?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 02:38:30 pm
Was the parking at Bristol Parkway actually free when it first open as part of the attraction of using it?

Certainly was. I knew at least one person who used it as a handy place to store untaxed cars - which was fine for three months or so, and then BR would come along and tow them away.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Tim on October 10, 2017, 02:47:01 pm
Bristol Parkway is so named because the M32 was, at the time of construction known as "The Bristol Parkway"  http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_7767000/7767453.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_7767000/7767453.stm).  The station is named after the road and its name has nothing to do with car parking.  "Parkway" was originally an American term applied to scenic roads designed from the outset for motorcars and placed through parkland or countryside which could be driven on for pleasure.  When it came to the UK, the term lost some of the scenic connotations, but retained the idea of being a new road cut through the countryside into the city.  Only later did the surfix "parkway" come to mean either a station with a large car park (what we would call Park and Ride today) or alternatively a station which is some distance from the town it serves (not the case with Didcot)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 03:07:20 pm
...its name has nothing to do with car parking.  

If this was Wikipedia, I'd put one of those irritating {{citation needed}} tags next to that... do you think it possible that the folks who named it realised that 'park' can mean more than one thing?

As an aside: Why do we drive on parkways, but park on driveways?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: paul7575 on October 10, 2017, 03:26:37 pm
... Only later did the surfix "parkway" come to mean either a station with a large car park (what we would call Park and Ride today) or alternatively a station which is some distance from the town it serves (not the case with Didcot)

If "parkway stations" had to be named after the town they served, wouldn't they nearly all have to be named London Parkway?  Be a bit confusing on the way back... :)

Paul


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 10, 2017, 03:52:53 pm
Bristol Parkway is so named because the M32 was, at the time of construction known as "The Bristol Parkway"  http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_7767000/7767453.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_7767000/7767453.stm).  The station is named after the road and its name has nothing to do with car parking.  "Parkway" was originally an American term applied to scenic roads designed from the outset for motorcars and placed through parkland or countryside which could be driven on for pleasure.  When it came to the UK, the term lost some of the scenic connotations, but retained the idea of being a new road cut through the countryside into the city.  Only later did the surfix "parkway" come to mean either a station with a large car park (what we would call Park and Ride today) or alternatively a station which is some distance from the town it serves (not the case with Didcot)
I think there's a difference between parkway and park & ride, in that a parkway station is mostly used to take passengers away from one town to another, whereas a park & ride is used to take them into the centre of an urban area. A parkway disperses, a park & ride collects and concentrates. It's quite possible I imagined the difference in order to explain the different names before I knew of the M32 origins of parkway, but even after learning that (I think I only learned it earlier this year), I still like to try to see this difference, aware that I'm partly kidding myself. Though I also think that the way we use park & ride stations might have changed over the last decade or so.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: ellendune on October 10, 2017, 05:04:41 pm
If "parkway stations" had to be named after the town they served, wouldn't they nearly all have to be named London Parkway?  Be a bit confusing on the way back... :)

Paul

That's a very Metropolitan centred comment if I may say so. 

Us out in the 'provinces' do go to other places by train you know.



Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: stuving on October 10, 2017, 05:53:03 pm
There's no reason why a word can't evolve in meaning a bit at a time, from what Parkway meant, via a single example at Bristol, to become a recognisable marker for a station outside a town, suitable for people arriving by car, so they don't need to flog their way into the town centre. Now, I get the mental image from it of parkland (green fields) and a car park. The "way" bit does nothing to the meaning, but in Parkway as a label it needs to be there because Park is already in use for stations - you wouldn't like to confuse Worcester Parkway with Worcester Park.

The Portway half is not so very different. I understand Bristol Portway is recent, and was built for access to the new port facilities at he mouth of the Avon. The name Portway is old, and (while Wikipedia is uncharacteristically silent of the subject) I'm sure it comes from "port" as in portage, porterage, and porter - a road or route used for goods. Mind you that fits for the Bristol one too.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: ellendune on October 10, 2017, 06:03:22 pm
The Portway half is not so very different. I understand Bristol Portway is recent, and was built for access to the new port facilities at he mouth of the Avon. The name Portway is old, and (while Wikipedia is uncharacteristically silent of the subject) I'm sure it comes from "port" as in portage, porterage, and porter - a road or route used for goods. Mind you that fits for the Bristol one too.

I was taught at school that Portway meant the way (Anglo Saxon word meaning road) to the market (town).  There is a Portway along the bottom of the escarpment of the Berkshire Downs - that is nowhere near the sea! 


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: chuffed on October 10, 2017, 06:23:25 pm
Judging by the squeals of the wheels on the Class 166's, the name Porkway Partway is very apt. Perhaps it could be marketed as the Oink, Oink, Stuffing and Crackling railway ??


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 06:37:55 pm
There's no reason why a word can't evolve in meaning a bit at a time, from what Parkway meant, via a single example at Bristol, to become a recognisable marker for a station outside a town, suitable for people arriving by car, so they don't need to flog their way into the town centre. Now, I get the mental image from it of parkland (green fields) and a car park. The "way" bit does nothing to the meaning, but in Parkway as a label it needs to be there because Park is already in use for stations - you wouldn't like to confuse Worcester Parkway with Worcester Park.

I think you've missed Bmblbzzz's point - Bristol Parkway was never "a station outside a town, suitable for people arriving by car, so they don't need to flog their way into the town centre"; rather, it was and is a station where Bristol (or should I say 'West of England' - pah!) people catch trains to other faraway places. So quite the reverse of a park-and-ride. As to the etymology of 'Parkway', I think it is at least in part a portmanteau of Park (as in 'ditch the tinwork') + Railway.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on October 10, 2017, 06:49:08 pm
Bristol Parkway was the winning name in a competition held jointly by BR and the Bristol Evening Post to name the new station when it was being built. The winning entrants comment was he chose the name to reflect the fact that you would drive your car to the station car park and use the railway. It was, as has been stated, the first of the Parkway stations, the next one being Mansfield and Alfreton Parkway.

It was built on part of the former Stoke Gifford marshalling yard.

At one time I was told that the farebox take at the station exceeded that of Temple Meads.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: grahame on October 10, 2017, 07:07:57 pm
Tiverton and Bodmin Parkway strike me as being the modern equivalent of adding "Road" onto the end of a station name, to indicate that it's not an easy walk to the town centre, and with the added "flag" that it's easy for private car use. Others such as Warwick Parkway and Thame Parkway fall into the same camp.

Others such as Didcot Parkway are actually close by the town that they serve, but have a significant car to / from rail role - and we can add Wilton Parkway to that at soe stage.

Perhaps some other "Road" stations could be renamed? There are 50 stations with "Road" in their names, but many of those are named after a specific road - such as Navigation Road, London Road, Ferry Road, Victoria Road.  However, there's a ring to potential names like "Clarbeston Parkway", "Morchard Parkway" and "Llanbister Parkway", isn't there?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: stuving on October 10, 2017, 07:17:43 pm
I think you've missed Bmblbzzz's point - Bristol Parkway was never "a station outside a town, suitable for people arriving by car, so they don't need to flog their way into the town centre"; rather, it was and is a station where Bristol (or should I say 'West of England' - pah!) people catch trains to other faraway places. So quite the reverse of a park-and-ride. As to the etymology of 'Parkway', I think it is at least in part a portmanteau of Park (as in 'ditch the tinwork') + Railway.

And I think you've missed my points - that the word's meaning has changed from what is was initially (before Bristol had one), via the first examples, to what it is now. And also (though I didn't make this as clear as I might have) that without Wherever Parkway, the alternative station was in a town centre (Wherever or somewhere else), and that's where drivers would have to go to get a train.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 10, 2017, 08:07:35 pm

...the word's meaning has changed from what is was initially (before Bristol had one), via the first examples, to what it is now. And also.. that without Wherever Parkway, the alternative station was in a town centre (Wherever or somewhere else), and that's where drivers would have to go to get a train.


For fear of a quibble too far, 'before Bristol had one' points to a time when the word had no rail-related meaning. But I do indeed take your point that whilst there was once a clear distinction between a Parkway station (for people leaving Wherever) and a Park and Ride (for people travelling into Wherever), that distinction has become blurred. Which is a shame, because it was a useful one.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on October 10, 2017, 11:12:06 pm
Portway Parkway sounds too rolled off the current station naming machine conveyor belt. Plain 'Portway' would probably be better. Surely there must be a more inspiring name for a new stop on the line that carries the majesty of the Severn Riviera Express at the gateway to the Avon Gorge?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: chuffed on October 11, 2017, 01:11:18 am
Gadarene Gorge or Gadarene Gate might do. One might have a  problem deciding who the swine are ...the passengers or the TOC staff ! They will all be asked to avoid phrases like 'chop chop', 'I could murder a bacon roll', or 'we were crammed in like sausages' to so not to offend the aural sensibilties of our porcine neighbours.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 11, 2017, 08:07:27 am
Any reason this topic is headed Partway and not Parkway?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: chuffed on October 11, 2017, 08:35:12 am
Just a bit of fun swapping the t and k around. Rumour has it that the latest train crew are called Harris & Walls, Richmond & Bowyer !


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 11, 2017, 08:57:14 am
Any reason this topic is headed Partway and not Parkway?

Yes. I thought it was funnier.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 11, 2017, 09:03:29 am
I get it now, don't mind me, I was getting confused with all the pork related discussion.

For some reason I rather fancy a fry up, that might wake me up a bit.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: chuffed on October 11, 2017, 09:09:39 am
I get it now, don't mind me, I was getting confused with all the pork related discussion.

For some reason I rather fancy a fry up, that might wake me up a bit.

Crackling idea, Gromit !


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 11, 2017, 09:17:55 am
Don't gorge yourself!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 11, 2017, 11:35:23 am
Now if they every brought the railway back to Calne...

Calne Pork and Rind?
Calne Inter-rashernal?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on October 11, 2017, 03:19:41 pm
Found a Parkway new to me, Bishops Parkway - Wells.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 11, 2017, 03:29:37 pm
Doesn't count if there's a space between 'park' and 'way' (https://goo.gl/maps/28Qo89P4tYs)!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Tim on October 11, 2017, 04:05:51 pm
Now if they every brought the railway back to Calne...

Calne Pork and Rind?
Calne Inter-rashernal?

Please cure yourself of these puns, you silly sausage


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: chuffed on October 11, 2017, 05:18:38 pm
Is RS 'nuts' or just simply ir-rasher-nal ?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on October 11, 2017, 07:52:17 pm
Don't think it matters what they call the station unless they manage to massively increase both frequency and reliability on the line, considering Shirehampton station is so close (10 minute walk) and how much more frequent and reliable the P&R bus service is, the station could well end up being a disaster anyway.

I think it was Friends of Suburban Bristol Railways who suggested building the Park and Ride next to Shirehampton station all those years ago. Nonsense, said the powers that be. The car park isn't currently very busy. I'm not sure that the station will change that enormously.

Could this catch on in Cornwall? We could have the Parkandillack Parkway Park and Ride.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: stuving on October 13, 2017, 11:22:36 pm
There is apparently a sort-of plan by Wokingham Borough Council to clear the site of Twyford station for development, and create a new Twyford Parkway a bit to the east (but only as far away as Ruscombe). This has only come to light in a leaked ITT for doing a "masterplan", so the details are a bit sketchy. The Wokingham Paper reports did mention a guide figure of £100M for a new station, plus £30M more to "move the Henley branch line" (!).

It's not even clear at this stage whether the "Parkway" label was picked by WBC, to make it an attractive feature of the new Ruscombe development proposal, or by the opponents as a dismissive "making it like ..." tag. And if so, like where? Is Didcot (the nearest example) so undesirable, seen from Twyford?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 14, 2017, 12:35:50 am
Hadn't picked up on that in the plans. I'd assumed they were talking about a Park and Ride to the current Twyford station. Considering WBCs plans would double the size of Twyford moving the station seems a minor point.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Rhydgaled on October 15, 2017, 10:38:08 am
Clarbeston Parkway
No thank you. I'm not sure Clarbeston Road station even has a car park (I've been dropped there to catch a train once, and can't recall noticing a car park). Also, a number of houses have been built around the station over the years so that, looking at it on Google Earth, 'Clarbeston Road' now seems to be a bigger village/hamlet than 'Clarbeston' itself. I think I've seen an address for a property in Clarbeston that gives it as Clarbeston, Clarbeston Road as well.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 05, 2020, 12:08:39 pm
Quote
BRISTOL COULD GET ITS FIRST NEW RAILWAY STATION FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS
By MARTIN BOOTH, Wednesday Aug 5, 2020

It has had as many delays as the trains it will serve, but a new railway station in Bristol is now back on track.

One million pounds has now been secured for the new Portway station on the Severn Beach Line from the government’s new Get Building Fund.

If built, it will be the city’s first new railway station for more than 20 years.

...continues (https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bristol-could-get-its-first-new-railway-station-for-more-than-20-years/)
Source: Bristol 24/7

Nice of them to credit FoSBR for the photo..!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on August 05, 2020, 02:05:19 pm
The original plan, costing £400,000 and opening in 2013, seems nearly as long ago and far away as FoSBR's suggestion to build the park and ride by Shirehampton station.

In other news, still no sign of Glenn Miller...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Western Pathfinder on August 05, 2020, 03:09:57 pm
This in today from WECA.https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/seven-projects-share-13-7m-as-the-west-of-england-gets-building/.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on August 05, 2020, 03:26:17 pm
This in today from WECA.https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/seven-projects-share-13-7m-as-the-west-of-england-gets-building/.

There's something of the Trump about that Western super Mayor. That's a lot of spin on not very much.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on August 05, 2020, 09:41:08 pm
I thought the PP station was already fully funded even before the recent announcement of funding or is it a blinder to mask the inflation since the last funding package was announced. How much of the present funding package will WECA/Mayor Bowles actually sign cheques for since the project has already been through the GRIP process. Mayor Bowles has to me an irritating habit of being foted at the completion of projects many of which were conceived before WECA existed.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on August 06, 2020, 03:05:12 pm
I thought the PP station was already fully funded even before the recent announcement of funding or is it a blinder to mask the inflation since the last funding package was announced. How much of the present funding package will WECA/Mayor Bowles actually sign cheques for since the project has already been through the GRIP process. Mayor Bowles has to me an irritating habit of being foted at the completion of projects many of which were conceived before WECA existed.


In today's Bristles local daily there is an article on the PP Station which cites MP Darren Jones commenting on the very subject of the funding being re-cycling of old funding as new money, this saga goes on, why does it take so long for anything to get done in Bristol where a public body is involved ?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on August 06, 2020, 03:19:39 pm

In today's Bristles local daily there is an article on the PP Station which cites MP Darren Jones commenting on the very subject of the funding being re-cycling of old funding as new money, this saga goes on, why does it take so long for anything to get done in Bristol where a public body is involved ?


This one breaks new records, then, having been announced for the first time by the LibDem administration and/or the LEP as long ago as 2010, then again at regular intervals thereafter.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on August 06, 2020, 10:13:12 pm
Now, last I heard, shovels are supposed to be in ground next month.  I'm wondering what odds a competent bookie would put on that actually happening.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on August 07, 2020, 10:09:51 am
Now, last I heard, shovels are supposed to be in ground next month.  I'm wondering what odds a competent bookie would put on that actually happening.

Wasn't WRECA supposed to get rid of all this inertia in transport projects. At this rate, Ashley Down will still be at the announcement stage at the beginning of the next century.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: grahame on August 08, 2020, 07:00:24 am
I am posting this as a news article, though there seems very little new in this news. From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53664639)

Quote
A project to create a new railway station in Bristol has received £1.5m in funding.

A single platform station is planned at the Portway on the Severn Beach line between Avonmouth and Shirehampton.

The money has been allocated from the government's Getting Building Fund (GBF).

A council spokesperson said work was set to start on site at the end of this year and construction would be completed "in the summer of 2021".

A report to Bristol City Council in December revealed the cost of building the new station faced a £1m shortfall.

Development work saw the project costs rise to between £3.4m and £3.6m, with track drainage, lighting, walkways and passenger waiting shelters cited as reasons for the rise.



Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on August 08, 2020, 11:36:47 am
I am posting this as a news article, though there seems very little new in this news. From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53664639)

Quote
A project to create a new railway station in Bristol has received £1.5m in funding.

A single platform station is planned at the Portway on the Severn Beach line between Avonmouth and Shirehampton.

The money has been allocated from the government's Getting Building Fund (GBF).

A council spokesperson said work was set to start on site at the end of this year and construction would be completed "in the summer of 2021".

A report to Bristol City Council in December revealed the cost of building the new station faced a £1m shortfall.

Development work saw the project costs rise to between £3.4m and £3.6m, with track drainage, lighting, walkways and passenger waiting shelters cited as reasons for the rise.



That is absolutely ridiculous. Either the station was designed without lighting, walkways and shelters, and the drainage somehow didn't matter until the station was built, or somebody is finding excuses for the cost going up, when the probable reason is the delay. Even for WRECA, £1 million seems a bit steep for a couple of bus shelters and a light.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Western Pathfinder on August 08, 2020, 12:16:13 pm
Piss up and brewery spring to mind ...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on August 10, 2020, 08:19:59 am
Report in todays Bristles local daily of another delay to this project but confirms that the project is now fully funded. Yes fully funded at todays costs but how about the inflation that will occur between yesterdays projected completion date and the now newly delayed completion date together with the revelation that design work for the project has not been started yet. Let me put another damper on this project, do they know if they own the land on which the platform will be sited.    😗


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 10, 2020, 12:44:49 pm
Full story is here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-new-train-station-delayed-4405716


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: martyjon on August 10, 2020, 12:58:42 pm
Full story is here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-new-train-station-delayed-4405716


But the article claims Filton Abbey Wood was the last station opened in the city when it is in fact in South Gloucestershire.



Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 10, 2020, 01:06:25 pm
In the city but not the City. Or to quote Grahame Reading General, "the leech-like suburbs".  :D

Edited to correct attribution (see below!).


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: grahame on August 10, 2020, 01:44:43 pm
In the city but not the City. Or to quote Grahame, "the leech-like suburbs".  :D

Hey ... those are NOT my words.   Used by member Reading General ((here)) (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22464.msg276185#msg276185) last November referred back to by three other members, but never my words and probably not wording I would re-use or concur with!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 10, 2020, 01:49:53 pm
I did think that sounded less diplomatic than the grahame I know..!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 10, 2020, 04:14:35 pm
In the city but not the City. Or to quote Grahame, "the leech-like suburbs".  :D

Hey ... those are NOT my words.   Used by member Reading General ((here)) (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22464.msg276185#msg276185) last November referred back to by three other members, but never my words and probably not wording I would re-use or concur with!
Sorry. For some reason I remembered it as being your phrase.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: grahame on August 10, 2020, 05:38:02 pm
Not sure if we've heard this news ... I think I may have heard similar before?

Quote
Portway train station is delayed again

from Bristol Live (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-new-train-station-delayed-4405716) this morning

Quote
The completion date for Bristol's first new train station in decades has been delayed due to coronavirus.

Portway station, at Portway Park and Ride in Avonmouth, had been due to open later this year.

It secured £1m of government funding last week, but the entire project will cost about three and a half million pounds.

Bristol City Council has since confirmed that the project is no longer on track to open by December, although it is now fully funded.

A spokesperson told Bristol Live: “ The Portway station scheme is fully funded, with the cost of the project - which includes work that has already taken place - being between £3.4-3.6m

“Following some delays due to the pandemic, detailed project design is now progressing, with work set to start on site at the end of this year ahead of completion of construction in the summer of 2021.’’

Oh ... scrolling down ... think it's a retelling of a story from a few years days back ...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 10, 2020, 05:56:59 pm
Not sure if we've heard this news ... I think I may have heard similar before?

...

Maybe you read it here?  ;D

Report in todays Bristles local daily of another delay to this project but confirms that the project is now fully funded. Yes fully funded at todays costs but how about the inflation that will occur between yesterdays projected completion date and the now newly delayed completion date together with the revelation that design work for the project has not been started yet. Let me put another damper on this project, do they know if they own the land on which the platform will be sited.    😗


Title: Portway Park and Ride
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 09, 2021, 11:44:09 am
By means that I am unable to fully divulge, I can say with reasonable confidence that the name of the new station will be:

Portway Park and Ride

...which would seem like a very sensible choice!


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride
Post by: grahame on July 09, 2021, 11:49:32 am
By means that I am unable to fully divulge, I can say with reasonable confidence that the name of the new station will be:

Portway Park and Ride

...which would seem like a very sensible choice!

Ah - you have been to the GBR Signmakers  ;D

(http://modern.wellho.net/demo/totemnew.php?main=PORTWAY+PARK+%26+RIDE&region=26&font=britrln_.ttf&above=&below=)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 09, 2021, 12:08:32 pm
I can't say... 8)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: XenophonPCDGS on July 09, 2021, 12:49:59 pm
Just feeling my way around this most informative website. I am from the Cheshire East area. There was a discussion earlier in this thread about the use of the word "parkway" and in the south of Manchester, very many years ago, was a good quality road with the name of Princess Parkway, which in its later stages passed through parkland-type areas. That road now where it passes over the River Mersey now becomes the M56 which passes near to Manchester Airport.

Back on the subject of this thread, which I see has been given a "play on words" thread name, the last month that I heard as a possible railway station opening was December 2021.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on July 09, 2021, 01:26:03 pm
Back on the subject of this thread, which I see has been given a "play on words" thread name, the last month that I heard as a possible railway station opening was December 2021.

The "pork" in the title is also a reference to the creatures we tend to see flying by whenever an opening date is mentioned - I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2010s  ;D


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 09, 2021, 01:26:31 pm
The full 20-year saga is here: https://fosbr.org.uk/timelines/portway-station/

This is to be a single-platform station, on straight and level track. You might very well think it should have been pretty straightforward to build it, XenophonPCDGS, but then you're not from around here!

'Portway Parkway' was mooted as the new station's name for a while. Aside from the obvious tongue-twister, there was also potential for confusing it with Bristol Parkway. 'Portway Station' was also mooted as a name, but given that many Bristolians refer to nearby Bristol Parkway as simply 'Parkway' (it's the original!) that too would have been confusing.

The only thing the new station really serves is the long-established Portway Park and Ride facility. It seems surprising it's taken the powers that be so long to reach the conclusion that it would make sense to name it after that...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on July 09, 2021, 01:35:44 pm
The full 20-year saga is here: https://fosbr.org.uk/timelines/portway-station/

This is to be a single-platform station, on straight and level track. You might very well think it should have been pretty straightforward to build it, XenophonPCDGS, but then you're not from around here!

'Portway Parkway' was mooted as the new station's name for a while. Aside from the obvious tongue-twister, there was also potential for confusing it with Bristol Parkway. 'Portway Station' was also mooted as a name, but given that many Bristolians refer to nearby Bristol Parkway as simply 'Parkway' (it's the original!) that too would have been confusing.

The only thing the new station really serves is the long-established Portway Park and Ride facility. It seems surprising it's taken the powers that be so long to reach the conclusion that it would make sense to name it after that...


Ooops on my part there - I actually meant to say "I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2000s"  ;D

One of the reasons that the naming process became such a saga was that the station was originally partly mooted as a replacement for the existing Shirehampton station, and a number of years passed with several variations of "Shirehampton and..." before that notion was wisely dropped.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on July 09, 2021, 10:22:02 pm
The "pork" in the title is also a reference to the creatures we tend to see flying by whenever an opening date is mentioned - I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2010s  ;D

You Johnny-come-lately! I was there when the Lib Dem cabinet member with the transport portfolio Tim Kent announced that it would be open by 2013 at a cost of £400,000. That confident asserrtion must have been made before the Lib Dems lost power in 2011.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on July 09, 2021, 10:54:04 pm
The "pork" in the title is also a reference to the creatures we tend to see flying by whenever an opening date is mentioned - I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2010s  ;D

You Johnny-come-lately! I was there when the Lib Dem cabinet member with the transport portfolio Tim Kent announced that it would be open by 2013 at a cost of £400,000. That confident asserrtion must have been made before the Lib Dems lost power in 2011.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the correction i made some posts ago  ;D

The full 20-year saga is here: https://fosbr.org.uk/timelines/portway-station/

This is to be a single-platform station, on straight and level track. You might very well think it should have been pretty straightforward to build it, XenophonPCDGS, but then you're not from around here!

'Portway Parkway' was mooted as the new station's name for a while. Aside from the obvious tongue-twister, there was also potential for confusing it with Bristol Parkway. 'Portway Station' was also mooted as a name, but given that many Bristolians refer to nearby Bristol Parkway as simply 'Parkway' (it's the original!) that too would have been confusing.

The only thing the new station really serves is the long-established Portway Park and Ride facility. It seems surprising it's taken the powers that be so long to reach the conclusion that it would make sense to name it after that...


Ooops on my part there - I actually meant to say "I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2000s"  ;D

One of the reasons that the naming process became such a saga was that the station was originally partly mooted as a replacement for the existing Shirehampton station, and a number of years passed with several variations of "Shirehampton and..." before that notion was wisely dropped.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2021, 10:57:00 am

I refer the honourable gentleman to the correction i made some posts ago  ;D

I am obliged to my learned/noble/gallant* friend!

(*delete as appropriate)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 14, 2021, 02:23:05 pm
FoSBR is told that work hasn't started yet at Portway Park and Ride station because of 'some additional delays' in getting GRIP5 (detailed design) completed.

Bristol City Council are now waiting for Network Rail to inform them when they will start on site. With an estimated 20 week build, the station 'should be complete by the end of March 2022'.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on October 14, 2021, 03:45:52 pm
FoSBR is told that work hasn't started yet at Portway Park and Ride station because of 'some additional delays' in getting GRIP5 (detailed design) completed.

Bristol City Council are now waiting for Network Rail to inform them when they will start on site. With an estimated 20 week build, the station 'should be complete by the end of March 2022'.

Sorry Team Reading Green Park, but I did say that Porkway Partway wouldn't give up their "longest time taken to open a railway station" lead easily!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on October 14, 2021, 11:15:49 pm
The "pork" in the title is also a reference to the creatures we tend to see flying by whenever an opening date is mentioned - I was around on the campaigning scene when they were hoping to get it open by the end of the 2010s  ;D

I am sure I recall the sitting council cabinet member with responsibility for transport at the time (about 2010) saying it would be up and running by 2013, at a total cost of £400,000, right after MetroBust started running and paying back the cost through the charges on bus companies using it.

We've all passed a lot of water under the bridge since then.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 15, 2021, 11:03:38 am
Matthew 8:26


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on October 15, 2021, 12:04:03 pm
Matthew 8:26

Genesis 7 (https://www.everyday.org.uk/blog/2020/11/12/if-you-build-it-they-will-come)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Western Pathfinder on October 15, 2021, 05:27:19 pm
I take it that's not a trick of a tail then!....


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Lee on October 15, 2021, 05:49:11 pm
I take it that's not a trick of a tail then!....

Or The Lamb Lies Down On Broadmead...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on October 19, 2021, 02:25:21 pm
Matthew 8:26

In the case of MetroBust, designed to overcome the problems of buses getting stuck in traffic, Proverbs 26:11 seems appropriate.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 19, 2021, 03:32:53 pm
For some reason, a few lines from Act I, Scene III of The Merchant of Venice spring to mind...


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on October 19, 2021, 05:10:33 pm
For some reason, a few lines from Act I, Scene III of The Merchant of Venice spring to mind...

Most kind. Antonio is indeed a good man.


Title: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 17, 2021, 04:29:36 pm
Anyway enough of this gay banter:

Quote
Starting on site at Portway Park and Ride

We have started clearing vegetation and setting up a site compound in preparation for the start of construction on a new railway station at Portway Park & Ride in the new year. We finish on site on 23 December and return on 4 January 2022.

The station is being built on behalf of Bristol City Council and West of England Combined Authority, as part of the MetroWest scheme.

It will link up Portway Park & Ride with a regular train service to Bristol Temple Meads, providing more options for travellers.

The new station is expected to be operational by Summer 2022.

Source: Network Rail, Bristol railway work update, December 2021


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: johnneyw on December 17, 2021, 05:04:11 pm
Anyway enough of this gay banter:

Quote
Starting on site at Portway Park and Ride

We have started clearing vegetation and setting up a site compound in preparation for the start of construction on a new railway station at Portway Park & Ride in the new year. We finish on site on 23 December and return on 4 January 2022.

The station is being built on behalf of Bristol City Council and West of England Combined Authority, as part of the MetroWest scheme.

It will link up Portway Park & Ride with a regular train service to Bristol Temple Meads, providing more options for travellers.

The new station is expected to be operational by Summer 2022.

Source: Network Rail, Bristol railway work update, December 2021


Hurrah, just as I beginning to find Father Christmas more believable than the notion of Portway ever opening!
I shall raise a little glass to the news later.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: TonyK on December 17, 2021, 06:07:41 pm

Hurrah, just as I beginning to find Father Christmas more believable than the notion of Portway ever opening!
I shall raise a little glass to the news later.


I shall keep the bubbly on ice for now, although now that Network rail are involved, it does look more likely than not that it will happen.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Lee on December 17, 2021, 06:36:25 pm

Hurrah, just as I beginning to find Father Christmas more believable than the notion of Portway ever opening!
I shall raise a little glass to the news later.


I shall keep the bubbly on ice for now, although now that Network rail are involved, it does look more likely than not that it will happen.

 ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 17, 2021, 08:58:52 pm
With Red Squirrel's talk of "gay banter" I thought the station had been renamed, Portway Park and Pride.

But it will always be Porkway Partway in our hearts! Good news from Network Rail, whatever they call it.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride station
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 10, 2022, 11:36:38 am
Some signs of activity here. A site compound has been established on the left (mostly out of shot!), and a blue track safety barrier has been erected alongside running line:

(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/portway_p_and_r_scaled.jpg)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 10, 2022, 12:37:26 pm
That's saved me a journey tomorrow. 
The blue safety barrier was there last week when I took a peek.  I think it's been there a while as it was also on a couple of pictures on other sites previously.
The compound definitely was not there last week.  When arriving that day, I noticed a number of people in high viz tabards but these turned out to be staff at the Covid if testing centre in the car park.
Perhaps significantly, the train I took down to Avonmouth to have a look there came to a brief halt just shy of the site of the new station.  I also noticed the following service slowing down on it's approach.
I was quite amused by a house, just the other side of the A4 Portway opposite the station site.  It had a "Portway" station totem on a post in the front garden and at the time, an illuminated Christmas train on the garage roof! ☺


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride station
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 10, 2022, 12:59:18 pm
Hmm, well now. These plastic barriers are presumably associated with the COVID test centre, but the site safes etc just visible on the left (and the dumper truck) are presumably for the station... I'll admit it's not as exciting as you might hope.

(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pway2.jpg)


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 10, 2022, 01:54:10 pm
The compound picture looks new to me (from last week).  I wonder who the contractors are?  If they are the same ones who've just finished replacing the Ocean Railway Bridge at Stonehouse, then it should take long!


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 10, 2022, 02:58:21 pm
The compound picture looks new to me (from last week).  I wonder who the contractors are?  If they are the same ones who've just finished replacing the Ocean Railway Bridge at Stonehouse, then it shouldn't take long!


Edit to correct last sentence to give opposite meaning. My misspelling, sory!


Title: Re: Portway Parkway
Post by: DaveHarries on January 11, 2022, 12:51:30 am
Good to see that work is getting underway on the new station but I notice that they are building it at the Shirehampton end of the site. Apologies if this is a dumb question (I don't recall having seen the plans) but what is planned to be the route to enable pedestrians (either commuters for the nearby industrial units on West Town Lane and Portview Road or local residents) to get to & from the new station for commuting purposes? Will there be a footpath from West Town Lane or will such users simply have to walk through the same gate as that used by road traffic?

(Come to think of it is there still a live link to the plans for the new station?)

Dave


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride station
Post by: TonyK on January 11, 2022, 06:15:04 pm
Hmm, well now. These plastic barriers are presumably associated with the COVID test centre, but the site safes etc just visible on the left (and the dumper truck) are presumably for the station... I'll admit it's not as exciting as you might hope.


Perhaps not exciting, but at least that's the first million quid spent.

Good to see that work is getting underway on the new station but I notice that they are building it at the Shirehampton end of the site. Apologies if this is a dumb question (I don't recall having seen the plans) but what is planned to be the route to enable pedestrians (either commuters for the nearby industrial units on West Town Lane and Portview Road or local residents) to get to & from the new station for commuting purposes? Will there be a footpath from West Town Lane or will such users simply have to walk through the same gate as that used by road traffic?

(Come to think of it is there still a live link to the plans for the new station?)

Dave

Whilst I didn't expect pedestrians to be considered in a plan for a park and ride, the initial plans do show segregated access from the bus stop within the site. I remember once walking into there to catch the bus, after dropping my car at a nearby garage for some reason, and I don't recall feeling trepidation, so I suppose there must be a footpath going in. The application number is 18/03830/F if this hyperlink (https://pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PC097NDNG3E00) doesn't work.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 11, 2022, 08:04:41 pm
TonyK - I’ve never managed to link to a planning application like that (it works!). How did you do it?


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: paul7575 on January 11, 2022, 10:00:45 pm
TonyK - I’ve never managed to link to a planning application like that (it works!). How did you do it?
In my experience only a minority of planning websites allow the use of links that bypass their front end search system.  On some sites that I’ve used even if links happen to work for a few hours they time out very quickly.

Paul


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride station
Post by: DaveHarries on January 11, 2022, 11:22:26 pm
Whilst I didn't expect pedestrians to be considered in a plan for a park and ride, the initial plans do show segregated access from the bus stop within the site. I remember once walking into there to catch the bus, after dropping my car at a nearby garage for some reason, and I don't recall feeling trepidation, so I suppose there must be a footpath going in. The application number is 18/03830/F if this hyperlink (https://pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PC097NDNG3E00) doesn't work.
Thanks for that link Tony. I imagine that they may find people walking the vehicular access from West Town Lane to get to / from the industrial units over the other side of the level crossing as a means of convenience: the existing stations at Shirehampton and Avonmouth are not convenient stations for employees there. The Officers Report on those documents also does acknowledge that they anticipate that "a high proportion of foot traffic will come from the local area". Let us hope that the new station proves to be well used by Park & Ride customers and local residents alike.

Dave


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: TonyK on January 12, 2022, 03:26:32 pm
TonyK - I’ve never managed to link to a planning application like that (it works!). How did you do it?

I'm not sure I did anything you wouldn't have tried already, but I copied the link for the documents list rather than the details page. If it isn't that, then it must be my wrist action.

Thanks for that link Tony. I imagine that they may find people walking the vehicular access from West Town Lane to get to / from the industrial units over the other side of the level crossing as a means of convenience: the existing stations at Shirehampton and Avonmouth are not convenient stations for employees there. The Officers Report on those documents also does acknowledge that they anticipate that "a high proportion of foot traffic will come from the local area". Let us hope that the new station proves to be well used by Park & Ride customers and local residents alike.

Dave

That seems at first unlikely, especially if your experience of Avonmouth is the bit from the M5 bridge to the M5 roundabout. It is only when you spend time visiting (or occasionally observing) people there, as I did, that you realise (a) how big it is, (b) how many homes there are, (c)how many people live in those homes. I'll leave (d) for now.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 14, 2022, 07:22:55 pm
Sunny day so I thought why not have a look for any progress at Portway?
There sure is.
Big compound area now cleared with Heras type fencing around it and Portacabins installed plus JCBs on site.  Some of the car parking area adjacent to the station site is also fenced off and you can just make out from one of the pictures below that some uprooted fence posts have been stored there.
No one visible on site but it was lunch time when I took the pictures.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 14, 2022, 08:20:17 pm
Although it was all quiet in the car park compound, this JCB was busy moving around just the other side of the railway line.  I have no idea if it was connected to the station build.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 14, 2022, 08:37:32 pm
And finally.

I took the attached photo to help address the question asked earlier by DaveHarries regarding pedestrian access to the station.  These are the steps from the bus stops down to the car park and from where I was standing the station site perimeter was perhaps 20 metres away across the car parking area.  From the bus stop zone itself, access to the A4 Portway was easy although I didn't think to take a picture of it.


Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 27, 2022, 07:17:50 pm
FoSBR's Carol Durrant was up on the M5 Avon Bridge earlier, and took some pictures. It's really happening, Lee! The light was failing, and she's had to hand-hold while zooming in on a bouncing bridge deck.

This shows what appears to be a new construction compound, to the south-west of the railway. This, I think, is for flood defence works in the area. The station site is at the top of the frame:
(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/portway_p_and_r_2_20220127.jpg)

...and this gives a closer view of the station itself. The single platform will be to the left, i.e. north-east, of the railway:
(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/portway_p_and_r_1_20220127.jpg)





Title: Re: Porkway Partway
Post by: johnneyw on January 28, 2022, 12:11:59 pm
It looks like there's definitely been some recent activity.  The dark area in the second picture between the railway line and the car parking area looks newly dug over, very different to how it looked when I was there not long previously.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 28, 2022, 01:45:51 pm
So... it was all a jolly jape when I started this thread, but I think the joke has run its course. Some might say 'Porkway Partway' stopped being funny a while ago... so I have renamed this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBVe2gzJy0


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: eXPassenger on January 28, 2022, 05:08:03 pm
So... it was all a jolly jape when I started this thread, but I think the joke has run its course. Some might say 'Porkway Partway' stopped being funny a while ago... so I have renamed this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBVe2gzJy0
Since it is now in progress should it move to the Bristol board?


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 28, 2022, 06:23:42 pm
A very good idea. Done!


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 01, 2022, 05:18:10 pm
Quote
Portway Park and Ride station in Shirehampton is under construction
It's the first new railway station in the city of Bristol since Parson Street station was opened 95 years ago.
(https://i2-prod.somersetlive.co.uk/incoming/article6585321.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_Portway-PRide-site-3-new-railway-station-3-CB-Bristol-Design-2022.jpg)
Construction has begun on the new railway station. (Image: Bristol City Council)

The construction of a brand-new railway station in Bristol has gotten underway which will mark it as the first new station in the city since 1927.

Bristol City Council and Network Rail are working together to build a new train station to link Portway Park and Ride with the Severn Beach railway line.

The Portway Park and Ride station is a £4.2m project in Shirehampton that forms part of the West of England Combined Authority's wider plans to enhance the local rail network.

It will become part of the MetroWest programme and is being jointly funded by Bristol City Council, the West of England Combined Authority, and the UK Government’s Department for Transport.

Construction is now underway on the new station after preparatory work was completed in December.

...continues (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/portway-park-ride-station-shirehampton-6585165)
Source: Bristol Live


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 03, 2022, 11:21:11 am
Item on Radio Bristol this morning. Scroll forward to 2:20:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bgq9t8


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 03, 2022, 12:55:01 pm
That's 2 hours 20 minutes, not 2 minutes 20 seconds as I initially read it.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 03, 2022, 02:05:12 pm
Good point. I have edited my post to clarify.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: johnneyw on February 03, 2022, 06:11:54 pm
The FoSBR chap was very good.....we should get him on this forum!   ;D


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 03, 2022, 06:41:40 pm
The FoSBR chap was very good.....we should get him on this forum!   ;D

Too many ‘ums’ and ‘you knows’ for my taste…


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 03, 2022, 09:44:06 pm
I thought you came over rather well Tim.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: bobm on February 03, 2022, 10:28:01 pm
The FoSBR chap was very good.....we should get him on this forum!   ;D

Too many ‘ums’ and ‘you knows’ for my taste…

I’m an expert at editing out such foibles. But it’s self defeating.  If everyone thinks those on the radio speak like that they won’t be interviewed! 


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 03, 2022, 10:53:13 pm
I thought you came over rather well Tim.

Thanks. My children thought I was hilarious!


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 09, 2022, 05:08:09 pm
Went out to Portway Park and Ride to talk to the BBC for next Sunday's Politics West show this morning. The best view of the site is from the train; here's a couple of views:

This is the south end of the site:
(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/portway_1_20220209.jpg)

...and this is the north end. As you can see, the ground is a lot higher here:
(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/portway_2_20220209.jpg)




Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: DaveHarries on February 09, 2022, 11:53:02 pm
Note that the Severn Beach line will be closed Saturday 19th to Sunday 27th February inclusive. Part of this is for signalling works in connection with the new Portway Parkway station but NR's website also says that there will be sleeper replacement work between the Bristol Port (Avonmouth Docks) crossing at St. Andrews Road as well as drainage refurb between Montpelier and Sea Mills stations. The Up Relief line will also be under blockade for renewal of signalling equipment at Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.

Dave


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: TonyK on February 11, 2022, 01:39:55 pm
The Up Relief line will also be under blockade for renewal of signalling equipment at Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.

Dave

Good thing that is Four Track now.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 11, 2022, 02:13:52 pm
The Up Relief line will also be under blockade for renewal of signalling equipment at Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.

Dave

Good thing that is Four Track now.

Indeed. What a relief.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 11, 2022, 02:38:23 pm
The Up Relief line will also be under blockade for renewal of signalling equipment at Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill.

Dave

Good thing that is Four Track now.

Indeed. What a relief.
It would have been a downer to block the whole line.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 24, 2022, 05:51:44 pm
Network Rail have tweeted some images of work in progress at Portway Park and Ride Station

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FThBj9DWUAEgFut?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FThB09LWYAAI7na?format=jpg&name=small)

These concrete blocks, together with the piles laid on side, hold back the ballast:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FThCbhBWYAACwKG?format=jpg&name=small)

Kit of parts ready to assemble:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FThCsFIXwAYBREN?format=jpg&name=small)

And a video:

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1529130107188785153



Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: bradshaw on July 14, 2022, 08:13:31 am
This link has Photos from Network Rail Twitter account showing the progress being made

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1547477187900719105?s=21&t=dDQAqqG87tnRy90LNK-Yzg


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 22, 2022, 05:58:34 pm
FoSBR's Carol Durrant took this photo today, showing progress on Portway P&R station:

(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/portway_p_and_r_20220922.jpg)


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: rogerw on September 22, 2022, 07:52:45 pm
Do they really need that many lamp columns?


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: TonyK on September 22, 2022, 07:56:24 pm
Crikey! It could be open within a few years.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 22, 2022, 09:13:58 pm
Do they really need that many lamp columns?

It does look like a lot, doesn't it, even given the foreshortening? It's a 5-car platform, and by my count there's 15 columns - but they won't all be for lighting, there's CCTV and CIS to consider. The lighting design is all laid out in planning app 22/02328/COND on the Bristol City Council planning portal.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: paul7575 on September 24, 2022, 10:37:23 pm
Aren’t they going to have to pointlessly rearrange the tactiles a few times yet?  Or is that just Reading Green Park…  ???


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: chuffed on November 15, 2022, 01:48:09 pm
Just announced that the Porkway Partway won't open next month as planned.....delayed until the Spring.
Given the Portishead DCO approval in the last 24 hours, I am  tempted to ask...which spring ?


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: grahame on November 15, 2022, 02:37:51 pm
Just announced that the Porkway Partway won't open next month as planned.....delayed until the Spring.
Given the Portishead DCO approval in the last 24 hours, I am  tempted to ask...which spring ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-63623487

Quote
The opening of the first new railway station in Bristol for almost 100 years has been further delayed.

Portway Park and Ride station on the Severn Beach line won't be ready until "early next year", the West of England Combined Authority (WECA) confirmed.

The station, which has so far cost £4.2m, should have opened in the summer.

A WECA spokesperson said delays were around fitting the station out with electrical supply and data cabling.

Portway station will be the first to open in Bristol since Parson Street in 1927.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 15, 2022, 02:49:08 pm
I think this was pretty predictable. It's an RSCLOF (Railway Story -  Costly, Late, Overspecified and Fun).

Seriously though, most (if not all) construction and infrastructure projects are running late at the moment, due to worldwide supply chain problems. Given its history it was unlikely that this station would be immune.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: eightonedee on November 15, 2022, 05:07:33 pm
It's still overtaking Reading Green Park!


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: paul7575 on November 15, 2022, 08:31:58 pm
I think this was pretty predictable. It's an RSCLOF (Railway Story -  Costly, Late, Overspecified and Fun).

Seriously though, most (if not all) construction and infrastructure projects are running late at the moment, due to worldwide supply chain problems. Given its history it was unlikely that this station would be immune.

I think this complicated set of initials is just setting us up for a future bout of Clof - cutting.

Paul


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: TonyK on November 16, 2022, 11:17:26 am
I think this was pretty predictable. It's an RSCLOF (Railway Story -  Costly, Late, Overspecified and Fun).

Seriously though, most (if not all) construction and infrastructure projects are running late at the moment, due to worldwide supply chain problems. Given its history it was unlikely that this station would be immune.

How late is a matter of conjecture, and where you start the clock running. Or very long calendar, in this case. I have had a quick look for evidence to back up my somewhat haphazard memory, but so far without success. The Post's old website doesn't work any more, and WECA's minutes have supplanted the WEP's. It's out there somewhere, and when I have time, I might look harder. BUT I am quite sure that I recall Councillor Tim Kent, then transport supremo in the Lib Dem administration, announce that the Portway station would be a revolutionary modular affair, costing only £400,000, and would be open by 2013 without fail. This must have been before 2012, when George Ferguson assumed despotic powers, and I think it was most likely just after the funding for the then BRT scheme was confirmed in the 2011 budget. Whenever it was, that firm prediction hasn't aged well. Nor, for that matter did George Ferguson's reign. Or the mayoral project for that matter.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 16, 2022, 11:20:43 am
FoSBR's best effort at a timeline is here: https://fosbr.org.uk/timelines/portway-station/

Your memories of the early days may be a bit less sketchy than ours!


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: johnneyw on November 16, 2022, 01:42:29 pm
....I am quite sure that I recall Councillor Tim Kent, then transport supremo in the Lib Dem administration, announce that the Portway station would be a revolutionary modular affair, costing only £400,000, and would be open by 2013 without fail.

Snap!  I also recall reading about this and, dismissing any weird telepathy based explanation , it looks like this must have been so.


Title: Re: Portway Park and Ride Station
Post by: DaveHarries on November 21, 2022, 09:51:12 pm
I think this was pretty predictable. It's an RSCLOF (Railway Story -  Costly, Late, Overspecified and Fun).

Seriously though, most (if not all) construction and infrastructure projects are running late at the moment, due to worldwide supply chain problems. Given its history it was unlikely that this station would be immune.

I think this complicated set of initials is just setting us up for a future bout of Clof - cutting.

Paul
Perhaps so-but getting rid of the last four letters might prove to be a pain in the RS.....

Dave



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