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Title: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: chuffed on December 29, 2017, 21:51:44
The Right Hon Lord Adonis

House of Lords, London SW1

The Right Hon Theresa May MP

10 Downing Street

London SW129 December 2017

Dear Prime Minister,

The hardest thing in politics is to bring about lasting change for the better, and I believe in co-operation across parties to achieve it.

In this spirit I was glad to accept reappointment last year as Chair of the independent National Infrastructure Commission, when you also reaffirmed your support for HS2, which will help overcome England's north-south divide when it opens in just eight years time. I would like to thank you for your courtesy in our personal dealings.

The Commission has done good work in the past 27 months, thanks to dedicated public servants and commissioners. Sir John Armitt, my deputy chair, and Phil Graham, chief executive, have been brilliant throughout. I am particularly proud of our plans for equipping the UK with world-class 4G and 5G mobile systems; for Crossrail 2 in London and HS3 to link the Northern cities; and for transformational housing growth in the Oxford-Milton Keynes-Cambridge corridor.

I hope these plans are implemented without delay. However, my work at the Commission has become increasingly clouded by disagreement with the Government, and after much consideration I am writing to resign because of fundamental differences which simply cannot be bridged.

The European Union Withdrawal Bill is the worst legislation of my lifetime. It arrives soon in the House of Lords and I feel duty bound to oppose it relentlessly from the Labour benches.

Brexit is a populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. After the narrow referendum vote, a form of associate membership of the EU might have been attempted without rupturing Britain's key trading and political alliances. Instead, by allying with UKIP and the Tory hard right to wrench Britain out of the key economic and political institutions of modern Europe, you are pursuing a course fraught with danger. Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade.

If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children's generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.

A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse. The Government is hurtling towards the EU's emergency exit with no credible plan for the future of British trade and European co-operation, all the while ignoring - beyond sound bites and inadequate programmes - the crises of housing, education, the NHS, and social and regional inequality which are undermining the fabric of our nation and feeding a populist surge.

What Britain needs in 2018 is a radically reforming government in the tradition of Attlee, working tirelessly to eradicate social problems while strengthening Britain's international alliances. This is a cause I have long advocated, and acted upon in government, and I intend to pursue it with all the energy I can muster.

Britain must be deeply engaged, responsible and consistent as a European power. When in times past we have isolated ourselves from the Continent in the name of "empire" or "sovereignty", we were soon sucked back in. This will inevitably happen again, given our power, trade, democratic values and sheer geography. Putin and the rise of authoritarian nationalism in Poland and Hungry are flashing red lights. As Edmund Burke so wisely wrote, "people will not look forwards to posterity who do not look backwards to their ancestors."

However, I would have been obliged to resign from the Commission at this point anyway because of the Transport Secretary's indefensible decision to bail-out the Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast rail franchise. The bailout will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds, possibly billions if other loss-making rail companies demand equal treatment. It benefits only the billionaire owners of these companies and their shareholders, while pushing rail fares still higher and threatening national infrastructure investment. It is even more inexcusable given the Brexit squeeze on public spending.

The only rationale I can discern for the bailout is as a cynical political manoeuvre by Chris Grayling, a hard right Brexiteer, to avoid following my 2009 precedent when National Express defaulted on its obligations to the state for the same East Coast franchise because it too had overbid for the contract. I set up a successful public operator to take over East Coast services and banned National Express from bidding for new contracts. The same should have been done in this case. Yet, astonishingly, Stagecoach has not only been bailed out: it remains on the shortlist for the next three rail franchises.

The East Coast affair will inevitably come under close scrutiny by the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee, and I need to be free to set out serious public interest concerns. I hope the PAC calls Sir Richard Branson and Sir Brian Souter to give evidence. I am ready to share troubling evidence with the PAC and other parliamentary committees investigating the bailout.

As you know, I raised these concerns with the Chancellor and the Transport Secretary as soon as the bailout became apparent from the small print of an odd policy statement on 29 November majoring on reversing Beeching rail closures of the 1960s. I received no response from either Minister beyond inappropriate requests to desist.

Brexit is causing a nervous breakdown across Whitehall and conduct unworthy of Her Majesty's Government. I am told, by those of longer experience, that it resembles Suez and the bitter industrial strife of the 1970s, both of which endangered not only national integrity but the authority of the state itself.

You occupy one of the most powerful offices in the history of the world, the heir of Churchill, Attlee and Gladstone. Whatever our differences, I wish you well in guiding our national destiny at this critical time.

Yours sincerely,

(Signed)

ANDREW ADONIS


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ChrisB on December 29, 2017, 22:02:59
Can snyone find the full Policy Statement he refers to of November 29 on thrle Gov.UK website?


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Electric train on December 29, 2017, 22:12:41
Never one to mince his words or shy away from what he believes in; I my humble opinion he speaks a lot of sense especially lines 6 to 10


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: stuving on December 29, 2017, 22:13:42
Can snyone find the full Policy Statement he refers to of November 29 on thrle Gov.UK website?
Yes. (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-strategic-vision-for-rail)


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Timmer on December 29, 2017, 22:36:56
Pleased to see he’s going to raise the ‘bailout’ of Stagecoach/Virgin franchise because quite frankly it stinks. I supported them when they cried fowel over First’s winning bid for the West Coast franchise only for them to be allowed to walk away from a top loaded high premium end to the East Coast franchise. National Express were punished. How can this be right?


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 29, 2017, 23:24:27
A man of principle (if you forget that SDP/LibDem flirtation early in his political career).

I do hope he gets a rail transport brief in the next Labour government.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2017, 00:06:23
Yes. (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-strategic-vision-for-rail)

Three reads of that reply. Thought it was a flippant response until I looked carefully and saw that the one word reply was a link. Hard to see on some screens when there's no contrasting text immediately before or after.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-strategic-vision-for-rail


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: grahame on December 30, 2017, 06:35:43
Three reads of that reply. ...

I recall comment from you about a link I provided within a response I posted a few months back that hadn't come up as clearly as you would have wished on your display.   If this is a regular issue for you, you may find that one of the alternative site styles (can be changed at the top of any page) helps.

Should the issue turn out to be a general one, we could update the forum software to expand all links on display; there is some merit in doing that because it helps people know where they are going if and when it takes them away from the Coffee Shop, but on the other side such expansion increases screen clutter, especially where there are lots of links in a page and/or the linked URLs are long ones.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2017, 08:49:03
The forum has never been really mobile friendly. Using software that predates modern smartphones.

By phone is how I access the forum 99% of the time. None of the site styles are ideal, even on the larger screen mobile I now have.

I'm not sure increasing screen clutter would help mobile users. Take a look at the attached screen grab. That is how the 'Post reply' screen renders on Android.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 30, 2017, 09:18:34
A man of principle (if you forget that SDP/LibDem flirtation early in his political career).

I do hope he gets a rail transport brief in the next Labour government.

Jumped before he was pushed - remember this is a man who compared those supporting Brexit to those who appeased Hitler amongst other inflammatory comments - the only elected public office he has ever held was as a Lib Dem Councillor.

As Lord Adonis is an arch Blairite, and with Corbyn leading the Labour party, I wouldn't hold your breath on the likelihood of either brief or Labour Government coming to pass.

That said, he had more about him than the average Blair clone from central casting, and did some good work in Education.

Brexit is going to be a complete car crash, and anything he can do to mitigate that will be welcome.




Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ellendune on December 30, 2017, 09:46:37
A man of principle (if you forget that SDP/LibDem flirtation early in his political career).

I do hope he gets a rail transport brief in the next Labour government.

Given how much the parties have changed over my lifetime changing parties to the one that matches his principles sounds like the actions of a man of principle. 

People forget how far the present Tory party is from the Party of Edward Heath.  And how far the Blairite Labour Party was from the party of Clement Atlee. 

Jumped before he was pushed - remember this is a man who compared those supporting Brexit to those who appeased Hitler amongst other inflammatory comments - the only elected public office he has ever held was as a Lib Dem Councillor.

If he wanted to be free to criticise government on Brexit or anything else then resigning his office first shows some integrity. 




Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 30, 2017, 09:50:39
A man of principle (if you forget that SDP/LibDem flirtation early in his political career).

I do hope he gets a rail transport brief in the next Labour government.

Given how much the parties have changed over my lifetime changing parties to the one that matches his principles sounds like the actions of a man of principle. 

People forget how far the present Tory party is from the Party of Edward Heath.  And how far the Blairite Labour Party was from the party of Clement Atlee. 

Jumped before he was pushed - remember this is a man who compared those supporting Brexit to those who appeased Hitler amongst other inflammatory comments - the only elected public office he has ever held was as a Lib Dem Councillor.

If he wanted to be free to criticise government on Brexit or anything else then resigning his office first shows some integrity. 




Indeed - Peter Mandelson was a member of the Communist Party before he joined Labour - now there was a man of principle!!!  :D


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ChrisB on December 30, 2017, 11:34:34
So was Jeremy Corbin....


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Puffing Billy on December 30, 2017, 19:19:53
I do detest this sort of public whingeing. If you are going to resign, then just do it and move on - there is no point in writing a letter to your employer about it. That is, if it is a genuine resignation, rather than a "if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to resign - OK, then, see you - hang on, I didn't really mean it; you're supposed to say 'please don't go; I'll give you whatever you want'" sort of resignation. And for goodness' sake, just keep it between yourselves - this current fad for making your letters public in a cringeworthy "I'm going to get my friends onto you" sort of way is something I would hope most of us had grown out of since the toddler-having-a-tantrum-in-a-supermarket" phase.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2017, 19:33:46
So was Jeremy Corbin....

Some bloke you know with a similar name to the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?

Or are you referring to Jeremy Corbyn? If so, source please for proof of his membership, past or present, of the Communist Party.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Electric train on December 30, 2017, 19:49:20
I do detest this sort of public whingeing. If you are going to resign, then just do it and move on - there is no point in writing a letter to your employer about it. That is, if it is a genuine resignation, rather than a "if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to resign - OK, then, see you - hang on, I didn't really mean it; you're supposed to say 'please don't go; I'll give you whatever you want'" sort of resignation. And for goodness' sake, just keep it between yourselves - this current fad for making your letters public in a cringeworthy "I'm going to get my friends onto you" sort of way is something I would hope most of us had grown out of since the toddler-having-a-tantrum-in-a-supermarket" phase.

To be far to Lord Adonis I believe the resignation letter in the OP of this thread was his draft letter which was "leaked" by No 10.

Politicians of all persuasions have egos bigger than almost any other in the "celebrity class" and have to be seen scoring points otherwise they feel they are not in control, hence leak and counter leak of so called information.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ellendune on December 30, 2017, 19:54:59
So was Jeremy Corbin....

Some bloke you know with a similar name to the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?

Or are you referring to Jeremy Corbyn? If so, source please for proof of his membership, past or present, of the Communist Party.

Wikipedia would suggest that his membership of the Labour Party at a fairly young age would have precluded him being a member of the communist party.  So ChrisB, as bignosemac implies, I think you may be mistaken.  He has certainly been criticised for appointing a former member of the communist party to office - but I don't think that was Peter Mandelson. 


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2017, 20:06:08
And Peter Mandelson was only ever in the youth wing of the Communist Party of Great Britain. He grew out of it.  ;)

Call it the folly of youth. Affected us all. My first vote aged 18 was for a Liberal Democrat. And it wasn't tactical.  :P


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: simonw on December 30, 2017, 20:44:37
Whilst I don't know much about Lord Adonis, I believe he was the original driving force behind HS2, and in his recent role he was responsible for pushing this mad project forward.

Unlike many countries where HS rail makes sense, the UK does not have major population centres 300km apart, but has re-occurring population centres 100km, or less, apart. These trains will hardly get up to speed to make a difference.

The HS2 budget should be used to create extra capacity on our primary routes with extra track to allow more direct trains, greater rail gauge to allow double deck trains, etc.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Puffing Billy on December 30, 2017, 21:31:42


To be far to Lord Adonis I believe the resignation letter in the OP of this thread was his draft letter which was "leaked" by No 10.


If that is the case, then I apologise to Lord Adonis for accusing him of making the letter public (though not for writing the whingeing letter in the first place). My assumption that he was responsible was based entirely on the title of the thread as I fail to see the point of a "stonking" letter that was not intended for public consumption. In that case, who exactly is this mysterious Mr "No 10" who has "leaked" this confidential letter, and how do they justify a breach of confidence that would not be tolerated by those of us with real jobs and responsibilities? Presumably "No 10" is either a euphemism for the prime minister, who will pretend to know nothing about it if the going gets tough, or is a maverick accomplice of the prime minister who has done this off their own bat. And what would be the point anyway? We are used to them finding any old excuse to say Bad Things about The Other Side, but in this case, as I understand it, they seem to be stirring up bad publicity about someone on their own committee.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ChrisB on December 30, 2017, 21:40:01
So ChrisB, as bignosemac implies, I think you may be mistaken.

Yep, seems so.

As Head of the National Ifrastructure Commission, he had a big hand in ordering the most expensive train ever, the IEP, and the wires on GWML. So a lot of additional costs to the taxpayer


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: stuving on December 30, 2017, 22:13:57
So ChrisB, as bignosemac implies, I think you may be mistaken.

Yep, seems so.

As Head of the National Ifrastructure Commission, he had a big hand in ordering the most expensive train ever, the IEP, and the wires on GWML. So a lot of additional costs to the taxpayer

Not exactly ... the NIC was only created in 2015.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2017, 22:48:21
As Head of the National Ifrastructure Commission, he had a big hand in ordering the most expensive train ever, the IEP, and the wires on GWML. So a lot of additional costs to the taxpayer

The Intercity Express Programme predates Andrew Adonis' time at the DfT during the Labour administration. The DfT announced a replacement for the HSTs in 2005, and procurement began in 2007. Andrew Adonis didn't arrive at the DfT until late 2008, where he became a junior minister with the rail brief.

The announcement of the electrification of GWML was made in June 2009. Just after Andrew Adonis became Secretary of State. The groundwork had already been done though. Electrification of the GWML was on the agenda as soon as IEP procurement began. That was under the watch of both Geoff Hoon and Ruth Kelly.

Andrew Adonis had but a small hand in both decisions. And where taxpayers money is spent is ultimately the decision of the Treasury. The big hands were therefore the Chancellor and First Lord of the Treasury. They were Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown.

Any supposed profligacy with taxpayers money falls on their shoulders. Not Andrew Adonis'.

He was the architect of HS2 though, with the plan published just before the 2010 election.The decision to actually waste commit billions of taxpayers money on HS2 rests with the Con/Libdem coalition.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 31, 2017, 09:00:36
And Peter Mandelson was only ever in the youth wing of the Communist Party of Great Britain. He grew out of it.  ;)


True - perhaps if he'd remained faithful to Marx, he wouldn't have "grown up" and borrowed hundreds of thousands of £ from millionaire ministerial colleagues to buy houses in fashionable parts of London without telling his mortgage provider or Permanent Secretary, or accepted bungs from other extremely wealthy men in return for British Passports and had to resign twice...........lucky he had the EU to fall back on!

However like much of the Labour Party under Blair, and indeed most people with even a tentative grasp of the realities of economics, he grew out of socialism per se.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Timmer on December 31, 2017, 09:31:00
However like much of the Labour Party under Blair, and indeed most people with even a tentative grasp of the realities of economics, he grew out of socialism per se.
:D So true. Amazing that once in power you soon forget the principles you entered into politics with.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2018, 21:36:32
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42577698):

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Branson hits back at East Coast rail franchise critics

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Sir Richard Branson and team on an East Coast Virgin train

Sir Richard Branson has hit back at critics who say the government has bailed out Virgin Group and its partner in the East Coast rail franchise.

In November, the government allowed Virgin and Stagecoach to withdraw from running the service three years early.

Lord Adonis, former chair of the National Infrastructure Commission, said the move could eventually cost the taxpayer billions of pounds.

Sir Richard said the deal had cost Virgin and Stagecoach £100m.

In 2014, Virgin and Stagecoach signed a deal to run the East Coast line until 2023, promising the government £3.3bn in premiums.

In a blog published on Friday, Sir Richard said the two companies had been promised a huge upgrade of the tracks by Network Rail, which would have improved reliability and allowed more passengers to be carried.

"Considerable delays" to the upgrade and poor track reliability "torpedoed" the assumptions of the original bid, the blog said.

Sir Richard said he and his partners had not benefitted from the government's move, but had lost "well over £100m in total" without receiving a penny in dividends.

Although Lord Adonis accepts Network Rail failed to meet some of the promises on which Virgin and Stagecoach based their bid to run the franchise, he called the move to release the companies from the contract "indefensible".

He also said he was "ready to share troubling evidence with the Public Accounts Committee and other Parliamentary committees investigating the bailout".

The details of the new East Coast contract have yet to come out.




Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: bobm on January 07, 2018, 21:45:08
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In a blog published on Friday, Sir Richard said the two companies had been promised a huge upgrade of the tracks by Network Rail, which would have improved reliability and allowed more passengers to be carried.

Interesting the different view taken by the operator on the East Coast compared to the Great Western electrification.


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ellendune on January 07, 2018, 22:31:44
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In a blog published on Friday, Sir Richard said the two companies had been promised a huge upgrade of the tracks by Network Rail, which would have improved reliability and allowed more passengers to be carried.

Interesting the different view taken by the operator on the East Coast compared to the Great Western electrification.

[cynic mode]
But GWR criticising NR wouldn't be getting DfT off the hook for letting them off paying DfT loads of money. 
[/synic mode]


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: ChrisB on January 10, 2018, 09:06:00
Hmmm, you don't know what discussions GWR might be having/had behind closed doors, or indeed might still be having


Title: Re: Stonking resignation letter from Lord Adonis !
Post by: stuving on January 10, 2018, 09:50:13
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In a blog published on Friday, Sir Richard said the two companies had been promised a huge upgrade of the tracks by Network Rail, which would have improved reliability and allowed more passengers to be carried.

Interesting the different view taken by the operator on the East Coast compared to the Great Western electrification.

The Interim Franchise Agreement has provisions for adjusting the payments following changes, as requested by either party. There is a long list of identified changes, though I suspect the words can be read to include "others not elsewhere specified". In particular, it notes the following as risks on the SoS's side (from Schedule 9.3):

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1. Interrelated infrastructure delivery and rolling stock related risks

The parties acknowledge the provisions of Schedule 9.4 in respect of risks related to the Great Western Electrification Programme, IEP delivery and the cascade of Class 387 Units to the Franchisee.

2. Crossrail

It shall be a Change if all of the Crossrail Stations do not transfer to the Crossrail Operator on the Passenger Change Date in December 2017.

Given the context - that this was an interim agreement to cover a period of change that was already starting to deviate from plan - you would expect a lot of flexibility in it.



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