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Title: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 29, 2018, 13:51:49
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Residents cut down a wood on Bristol railway line without permission to improve their views
Residents of a street in Bristol are being investigated after they hired a tree surgeon and chopped down dozens of trees along a railway line to improve the view from the backs of their house.

Network Rail said the residents of Cromwell Road did not have permission to send the tree surgeon company onto the embankment next to Montpelier station, and said the incident was serious enough for a full-blown investigation to be launched.

Furious residents living nearby have been left shocked after discovering their neighbours had clubbed together to hire a tree surgeon company, and sent them onto Network Rail land on Wednesday and Thursday last week to start cutting down a large swathe of woodland.

Article goes on. And on. Source: Bristol Post (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residents-cut-down-wood-bristol-1129002)


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: grahame on January 29, 2018, 14:14:20
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Residents cut down a wood on Bristol railway line without permission to improve their views
Residents of a street in Bristol are being investigated after they hired a tree surgeon and chopped down dozens of trees along a railway line to improve the view from the backs of their house.

Network Rail said the residents of Cromwell Road did not have permission to send the tree surgeon company onto the embankment next to Montpelier station, and said the incident was serious enough for a full-blown investigation to be launched.

Furious residents living nearby have been left shocked after discovering their neighbours had clubbed together to hire a tree surgeon company, and sent them onto Network Rail land on Wednesday and Thursday last week to start cutting down a large swathe of woodland.

Article goes on. And on. Source: Bristol Post (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residents-cut-down-wood-bristol-1129002)

Speechless ... as I think another member was too

I'll just leave this here
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residents-cut-down-wood-bristol-1129002

Not good news for wildlife (including Squirrels), for embankment stability, or for the rule of law.  There is some doubt on the latter, as the residents seem to think they had permission, and presumably had convinced their tree surgeon of their (resident's) legitimacy ...


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 29, 2018, 14:43:14
I've just read this on the Bristol Post site. I don't know if any sort of licence or qualification is needed to be a tree surgeon but surely making sure your client owns the land you're working on or has permission to carry out work there should be a prerequisite.

I've noticed some of that embankment used as a sort of garden extension though for years, so perhaps this is just a logical next step. In other words, perhaps Network Rail will no longer be able to turn a blind eye (if that's what it was doing) to 'harmless' encroachments.

On a lighter note, was anyone else amused that the work was coordinated by a Jonty Cutting?


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: bobm on January 29, 2018, 14:49:27
This was October 2016 - looks like it would have been quite a task to clear that foliage

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mont1.jpg)


(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mont2.jpg)


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on January 29, 2018, 15:01:28
Network Rail should now come along and install a nice tall, spiked top, unsightly fence at the top of the embankment.

Without consulting first.

The residents won't like it up 'em.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 29, 2018, 15:07:46
As it's proven to be an area of repeated trespass on the line, that might be justified.

Edit: Though it might have the effect of persuading those residents to go down to the platform then cross the line to tend their 'gardens'. It's not a particularly busy or fast line so that probably feels safe... until it results in tragedy.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on January 29, 2018, 15:14:27
Once the fence is in place, a nice thick and deep planting of Leylandii should have the desired effect of quickly replacing the felled trees.

20 ft growth in just 6 or 7 years.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Western Pathfinder on January 29, 2018, 15:14:48
I was wondering how long it would be before someone spotted Mr Cutting.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: chuffed on January 29, 2018, 16:34:31
I wonder how long it will be before we get some Cutting Remarks ?!!  :D


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 29, 2018, 17:39:05
I believe a couple of Japanese soldiers were found in amongst all the foliage, who surrendered after a brief standoff once they had been convinced that the war was over.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: johnneyw on January 29, 2018, 18:57:36
I believe a couple of Japanese soldiers were found in amongst all the foliage, who surrendered after a brief standoff once they had been convinced that the war was over.

Oh great, so all these nights in my Anderson Shelter have been unnecessary! 😬


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: simonw on January 29, 2018, 21:00:39
Not sure what to think about this.

Obviously, any action taken should have been by Network Rail to ensure the stability of the embankment and any wildlife environments, but several residents have reported that over the years the embankment has not been managed and their gardens have been starved of light.



Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 29, 2018, 22:22:58
On a lighter note, was anyone else amused that the work was coordinated by a Jonty Cutting?

I was, but not as amused as I’d have been if it were Mark Chopwood.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 30, 2018, 00:39:31
Let’s hope network rail logged the incident correctly, and if not perhaps they should stump up some cash to employ some extra staff and then turn a new leaf to make sure a log is correctly completed


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: froome on January 30, 2018, 07:10:38
Let’s hope network rail logged the incident correctly, and if not perhaps they should stump up some cash to employ some extra staff and then turn a new leaf to make sure a log is correctly completed

Should do, it is on a branch line after all.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on January 30, 2018, 12:48:54
Can we expect to see more press cuttings with cutting remarks about Mr Cutting illegally cutting down trees in a cutting?

Jonty is a fairly unusual forename. His brother though has an even more unusual one. Sonning.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 30, 2018, 13:05:09
Jonty is a fairly unusual forename.
Mr Cutting shares his name with BBC correspondent Jonty Bloom. With this new publicity, growth in popularity of the name will blossom and Jontys will be putting down roots all over the country.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 30, 2018, 13:31:07
Jonty is a fairly unusual forename. His brother though has an even more unusual one. Sonning.

Then there's his German cousin, the barber: Herr Cutting.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: trainer on January 30, 2018, 13:48:12
It's no good...I can't keep 'liking' all these clever puns.  They crop up in such abundance that they are blocking my own light....-hearted responses.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: martyjon on January 30, 2018, 16:47:19
Well, at least it saved Network Rail the cost of removing the possibility of trees having fallen on the railway line at Montpelier for a few years. Maybe the residents could defray some of their costs by retrieving the discarded trunks and logs, chopping them up and putting the split logs into sacks, putting them outside their front doors with a notice, ' Ideal for wood burning stoves, £1 per sack, leave cash in honesty box '.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Western Pathfinder on January 30, 2018, 18:51:04
If I were the people responsible I would think long and hard before trespassing on The network again or getting a contractor to do so for them !
Some ,if not all of them might well be waiting for a knock on the door from the good folks of the BTP, as it is.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 31, 2018, 16:39:50
If I were the people responsible I would think long and hard before trespassing on The network again or getting a contractor to do so for them !
Some ,if not all of them might well be waiting for a knock on the door from the good folks of the BTP, as it is.

I wonder if this could have been avoided had NR undertaken some tree surgery of their own?

The foliage did look to be massively overgrown, it's not unreasonable to want a reasonable amount of light in one's garden?


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: patch38 on January 31, 2018, 16:52:29

Then there's his German cousin, the barber: Herr Cutting.


Not forgetting his unusually small Welsh nephew - Cutting Bach.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 31, 2018, 22:36:05
If I were the people responsible I would think long and hard before trespassing on The network again or getting a contractor to do so for them !
Some ,if not all of them might well be waiting for a knock on the door from the good folks of the BTP, as it is.

I wonder if this could have been avoided had NR undertaken some tree surgery of their own?

The foliage did look to be massively overgrown, it's not unreasonable to want a reasonable amount of light in one's garden?

There is a covenant on father in laws property I’m dealing with at the moment that requires him to maintain foliage and not block light from the neighbour of the adjoining property. Is this a generic term or not? If so NR potentially we’re falling foul of it.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: ellendune on February 01, 2018, 07:03:20
There is a covenant on father in laws property I’m dealing with at the moment that requires him to maintain foliage and not block light from the neighbour of the adjoining property. Is this a generic term or not? If so NR potentially we’re falling foul of it.

Covenants are specific to a property they are not general I think it highly unlikely in this case. 


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TonyK on February 03, 2018, 20:25:48
I was wondering how long it would be before someone spotted Mr Cutting.

To be known henceforth as Mr Railway Cutting.

As for "Who loves sycamores?" - I am fond of them, despite spending many happy hours scraping some quite large seedlings out of gutters. They make excellent firewood after being seasoned for a year.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 14, 2018, 16:19:36
An update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-43391238):

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Bristol rail embankment: 'No action' after trees felled

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Network rail disputes claims by one local resident that they had given permission for the trees to be felled

Network Rail says it will not take any action against those responsible for cutting down trees on a railway embankment in Bristol without permission.

Trees were felled opposite Montpelier railway station in January.

Local resident Cecilia Farring said she had permission to carry out the work, a claim Network Rail denied.

A spokesperson for the firm said: "The embankment in Montpelier will be tidied and no further action will be taken."

Ms Farring said she had been campaigning for 20 years for the trees to be removed.  She said the firm told her it would send a list of approved tree surgeons but never did, "so we organised for registered tree surgeons to do it".

Network Rail insisted it had not given permission for the work and would be investigating.  "Safety is our priority and nobody is permitted to access the railway unless they have the proper permission," it said.




Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on March 14, 2018, 16:35:03
Philosophical thought experiment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest)...

If a tree is felled in Montpelier and no one is around to stop it, does it matter?


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TonyK on March 14, 2018, 17:07:51
Not forgetting his unusually small Welsh nephew - Cutting Bach.

Whose virus carrying Indo-Welsh cousin Ash Dai Bach is less welcome.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: patch38 on March 14, 2018, 17:56:01
And welcome please - the next arrivals at the Montpelier Tree Surgeons' Ball - Connie Fir and her husband, Douglas...


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 14, 2018, 18:29:40
And welcome please - the next arrivals at the Montpelier Tree Surgeons' Ball - Connie Fir and her husband, Douglas...
who cuts down trees skips and jumps and likes to press wild flowers!...


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: DaveHarries on March 19, 2018, 00:59:11
I am enjoying these puns but the person who started them deserves a trunk call from the Special Branch.....

Dave


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 19, 2018, 01:09:11
Indeed: local police have logged the incident.  :-X



Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TonyK on March 26, 2018, 23:30:45
....leave cash in honesty box...

I have quite a collection of those.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 31, 2018, 20:10:13
A sort of follow up from the Bristol post today.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/emails-show-network-rail-panic-1627888


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 31, 2018, 20:40:24
A sort of follow up from the Bristol post today.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/emails-show-network-rail-panic-1627888

.....so why hadn't NR been cutting the trees back I wonder? Aren't they currently trying to get permission to fell just about every tree standing near a railway line, mainly because they've allowed them to grow out of control?


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: ellendune on May 31, 2018, 21:19:41
A sort of follow up from the Bristol post today.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/emails-show-network-rail-panic-1627888

.....so why hadn't NR been cutting the trees back I wonder? Aren't they currently trying to get permission to fell just about every tree standing near a railway line, mainly because they've allowed them to grow out of control?

Perhaps the article give the answer:

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It is thought the trees prevented landslips on the steep embankment down to the railway line, and acted as a noise buffer against the noise of the trains.

This is a complex area of geotechnical engineering so I cannot be sure what the effect would be in this particular instance.  If we get a slip next time we have a wet winter then we might find out.



Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: patch38 on June 01, 2018, 10:46:12

Perhaps the article give the answer:

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It is thought the trees prevented landslips on the steep embankment down to the railway line, and acted as a noise buffer against the noise of the trains.

This is a complex area of geotechnical engineering so I cannot be sure what the effect would be in this particular instance.  If we get a slip next time we have a wet winter then we might find out.


It's also a complex area of environmental acoustics. But... surely the people who would suffer most from any increase in noise will be the very people who instigated the felling of the trees? A slight irony there, one feels.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on June 01, 2018, 17:08:08
Perhaps a whistle board should go up on the station side of Montpelier Tunnel. Two tone horns dozens of times a day will have the tree butchering residents crying out for a noise buffer. Network Rail can then plant some fast growing foliage to achieve that.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: chuffed on June 01, 2018, 17:44:49
Two tone horns hooting a G and E flat mournfully are becoming a thing of the past. I suggest a special Montpelier minor version where the horns sound an interval a seventh and a augmented octave (octave plus half a tone) . I've just tried it on the piano and middle C to B above back to middle C and up to C sharp.
There again,  I could do it on the organ and choose the temperament ( most modern digital organs offer at least 8 of those)  that makes it even more excruciating ! Looking for an emoticon that is covering ears, but couldn't find one, so this one will have to do.  >:(


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 01, 2018, 18:41:44
Subsidence is not unknown in the area concerned 😳 let's just hope that no problems arise from The felling!....


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: CJB666 on June 01, 2018, 19:50:39
Two tone horns hooting a G and E flat mournfully are becoming a thing of the past. I suggest a special Montpelier minor version where the horns sound an interval a seventh and a augmented octave (octave plus half a tone) . I've just tried it on the piano and middle C to B above back to middle C and up to C sharp.
There again,  I could do it on the organ and choose the temperament ( most modern digital organs offer at least 8 of those)  that makes it even more excruciating ! Looking for an emoticon that is covering ears, but couldn't find one, so this one will have to do.  >:(

When I worked at the B.R. T.C. at Derby one shunting driver loved hooting out 'On Ilkley Moor Bah Tat!' Drove us mad.


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: chuffed on June 01, 2018, 19:56:34
THAT'S G CCC G C FOR THE TONE DEAF AMONG YOU ! DOING MY BEST BRIAN BLESSED IMPRESSION !!


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: JayMac on June 01, 2018, 20:33:25
I could do it on the organ

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQVLhAHWsAAj3jO.jpg)


Title: Re: Residents cut down trees at Montpelier
Post by: TonyK on June 03, 2018, 23:26:51
It's also a complex area of environmental acoustics. But... surely the people who would suffer most from any increase in noise will be the very people who instigated the felling of the trees? A slight irony there, one feels.

Ooh, yes! I hope so!



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