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Title: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on February 26, 2018, 06:28:07 With the impending weather of a wintry nature about to take place this week and possibly beyond, I thought it would be a good idea to start a new thread so we can try and keep everything that’s related to what happens and to report disruption etc.
To start the ball rolling, here’s a link to the National Rail Enquiries page where you can find the latest. Already TOCs, particularly to the East of the country are revising services from tonight onwards: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/today.aspx Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: ChrisB on February 26, 2018, 09:40:32 Updated link
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/185048.aspx Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: bobm on February 26, 2018, 09:54:10 From that link
Quote Train operating companies in South West England have issued advance warning of possible service changes, or disruption to your journey: South Western Railway advise that ice can cause problems for trains as it can prevent them from drawing power from the electrified third rail. Please check your journey before you travel. We are back to the debate about where is the South West. To my mind there isn't much third rail in what I call the SW... Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: ChrisB on February 26, 2018, 09:55:01 Poole/Bournemouth to Weymouth?
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: stuving on February 26, 2018, 10:11:09 From that link Quote Train operating companies in South West England have issued advance warning of possible service changes, or disruption to your journey: South Western Railway advise that ice can cause problems for trains as it can prevent them from drawing power from the electrified third rail. Please check your journey before you travel. We are back to the debate about where is the South West. To my mind there isn't much third rail in what I call the SW... No, but almost all trains go to or from Waterloo and need a lot of electric trains to play nicely and not get in the way. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 06:50:48 Snow already starting to fall here in the West.
Check GWR Journey Check for the latest on the trains: https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/ And Met Office for the latest weather warnings: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2018-03-01 Currently an Amber warning for Ice and Snow. I think we could see a localised Red warning at some point later in the South West either for heavy snow or for freezing rain (nasty stuff) so take care everyone and stay safe. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 08:25:44 UPDATE:
As expected a RED warning has now been issued from 3pm covering Devon upwards covering Exeter, Taunton, Weston-super-Mare into South Wales covering Cardiff and the Valleys. If you are travelling in these areas, try and complete your journeys before then. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: plymothian on March 01, 2018, 08:30:02 PADDINGTON STATION IS CLOSED
Paddington station is now closed due to severe weather, trains will terminate at Reading, but also as far west as Bristol. GWR advice: DO NOT TRAVEL Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Oxonhutch on March 01, 2018, 08:30:42 Paddington low-numbered platforms treacherous with wind-blown snow under the train shed. Lawn also. I was barely able to stand leaving my train this morning. I now see lots of Up express cancellations and many ECS moves to Old Oak and Reading.
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 10:19:51 PADDINGTON partially reopened
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: BerkshireBugsy on March 01, 2018, 11:38:56 Paddington low-numbered platforms treacherous with wind-blown snow under the train shed. Lawn also. I was barely able to stand leaving my train this morning. I now see lots of Up express cancellations and many ECS moves to Old Oak and Reading. I'm not sure if this is the same as what Oxonhutch was saying but I found the platforms at Paddington extremely slippery this morning when I arrived about 730. I'm not sure what the flooring is made of (it seems to be of a marble consistency) but the combination of a lot of wet feet and this surface did not go together well. Take extra care everyone! Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: bobm on March 01, 2018, 11:58:49 Both up and Down Cornish sleepers cancelled tonight.
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 17:54:56 From Network Rail at 16:48
Quote Railway Weather Update Dear Stakeholder, Please be aware that we expect we will continue to experience further severe weather this afternoon, tonight and tomorrow across the west and south west; we are anticipating this will impact the railway. We are working tirelessly to keep train services moving safely where possible, working closely with train and freight operators. We have taken a number of proactive steps to reduce the impact of the severe weather; including running our snow plough, mobile teams monitoring critical points and junctions, and running trains throughout the night to keep lines open. Safety remains our paramount concern and in agreement with GWR some Cornwall and Devon branch lines were suspended. Due to high tide and strong winds from Storm Emma, we will be winding down services through Dawlish in Devon during the evening. Due to the requirement to undertake safety inspections on the seawall and track, services are not likely to recommence until at least midday tomorrow. We will keep you updated as the situation develops. In the meantime we urge you to check services before you travel. Yours sincerely, Mark Langman Western Route Managing Director, Network Rail Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: martyjon on March 01, 2018, 19:06:01 From First Bus West of England covering Bristol, Bath, Weston-S-M and Wells areas at 17:30 tonight.
Road conditions are very dangerous in many areas with Police shutting roads. For safety all buses still running are making their last journeys & will return to depots once complete. All services will be suspended overnight until at least 6am when updates will start #woesnowwatch and this from First West of England makes a change, usually the tother way round, Please remember First West of England bus tickets can be used on all GWR rail services (however there are also delays and disruptions to the rail network) within the West of England operating area. #woesnowwatch Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Electric train on March 01, 2018, 19:21:26 Paddington low-numbered platforms treacherous with wind-blown snow under the train shed. Lawn also. I was barely able to stand leaving my train this morning. I now see lots of Up express cancellations and many ECS moves to Old Oak and Reading. I'm not sure if this is the same as what Oxonhutch was saying but I found the platforms at Paddington extremely slippery this morning when I arrived about 730. I'm not sure what the flooring is made of (it seems to be of a marble consistency) but the combination of a lot of wet feet and this surface did not go together well. Take extra care everyone! French Lime Stone is the flooring at Paddington Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: rogerw on March 01, 2018, 19:31:35 One of the first lessons I learnt (over 50 years ago) was that wet limestone has almost zero skid resistance when wet
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: LiskeardRich on March 01, 2018, 20:58:33 Devon and Cornwall police have issued a Do not drive under any circumstances for the remainder of this evening. They report they’re dealing with the rescue of over 300 stranded cars.
I assume insurers will deem ignoring this advise as negligence as an attempted get out of paying up in a claim? Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: martyjon on March 02, 2018, 09:36:33 Bristol, Bath and Wells will probably resemble ghost cities, well until midday at least ;-
From First West of England ;- We have assessed the main routes and it's still too dangerous to run any services in the West of England due to adverse road conditions. Therefore all bus services are suspended. Next assessment will be at midday. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: JayMac on March 02, 2018, 11:02:13 There are more pedestrians than vehicles on the A30 through Chard today. My morning constitutional with Finn was mainly on the road rather than the pavements.
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: martyjon on March 02, 2018, 12:37:52 First West of England have said that no bus services will operate today.
Road outside my house is like an ice rink, my upstairs window of one bedroom has a 4 inch block of ice along its length and above the ice block it a 1/4 inch thick sheet of ice where the wind blown iced rain hit the window and froze. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: froome on March 02, 2018, 14:26:00 Bristol, Bath and Wells will probably resemble ghost cities, well until midday at least ;- From First West of England ;- We have assessed the main routes and it's still too dangerous to run any services in the West of England due to adverse road conditions. Therefore all bus services are suspended. Next assessment will be at midday. Well the area of Bath I live in has been anything but. No traffic at all, which is wonderful, and lots of people out and about, many with sledges and all enjoying the weather. No buses running and no trains either. The powdery snow hasn't as yet tried to become icy, and is deep enough to withstand all the pedestrian traffic. It's now snowing quite hard again. I was due to be travelling by train today but am happy to enjoy the weather here instead. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: bobm on March 02, 2018, 14:33:11 Interestingly I was out on the buses in Swindon before dawn this morning and with few cars about the buses had the chance to move some of the snow and slush and clear the roads.
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2018, 15:32:54 A lot of twitter traffic from insurers saying that isn't true. Driving in Red & Amber areas no problem as long as one drives carefully
Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on March 02, 2018, 15:50:13 A lot of twitter traffic from insurers saying that isn't true. Driving in Red & Amber areas no problem as long as one drives carefully Correct.Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: LiskeardRich on March 02, 2018, 16:08:55 A lot of twitter traffic from insurers saying that isn't true. Driving in Red & Amber areas no problem as long as one drives carefully Correct.But if the insurer can prove negligence they can reject the claim, or reduce the payout. But if you drive safely and don't take risks you are still insured. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Timmer on March 02, 2018, 16:10:35 But if the insurer can prove negligence they can reject the claim, or reduce the payout. But if you drive safely and don't take risks you are still insured. Also correct.Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: stuving on March 02, 2018, 18:31:22 A lot of twitter traffic from insurers saying that isn't true. Driving in Red & Amber areas no problem as long as one drives carefully Correct.But if the insurer can prove negligence they can reject the claim, or reduce the payout. But if you drive safely and don't take risks you are still insured. Surely negligence, such as might be proved in a court case brought by an aggrieved party, is exactly what your insurer is indemnifying you against. For damage to your own car alone, negligence doesn't arise. However, if you were to be reckless, would that matter? I suspect this is one of those general principles of insurance contracts that they never write down, and most of us never get to find out about. I'm sure they only offer insurance for accidental damage, so intentional acts would be excluded. If your behaviour was so reckless that the resulting damage was foreseeable (or perhaps it would have to be more than that, i.e. predictable), then I imagine that would be grounds for exclusion. However, you should still be covered for third party claims. Title: Re: Severe winter weather, February and March 2018 Post by: Steve Bray on March 05, 2018, 12:24:56 And Totley Tunnel between Sheffield and Manchester has had to be closed.
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