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Title: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 11, 2018, 21:34:52
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43363435):

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Lanhydrock National Trust cream tea advert sparks outrage

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The original "offending" promotional photograph

A Mother's Day cream tea advert has sparked fury for depicting a scone with the jam dolloped on the cream.

The National Trust's Lanhydrock in Bodmin angered Cornish locals by depicting the delicacy in the rival Devon tradition on a Facebook post.

Outraged locals said they were going to cancel memberships over the blunder.

The Trust apologised for the "heinous mistake", adding staff will wear #JamFirst badges to support "a proper cream tea".

About 300 people complained on the post, with some claiming it was "horrifying" and "made them feel sick".

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The badges were made especially after the public outcry

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Campaigners said the matter of placing jam first was about identity

The member of staff responsible for the post "had been reprimanded and marched back over the Tamar" to neighbouring county Devon, the Trust said.

Richard Levy, Lanhydrock's Visitor Experience manager, said it was a "genuine mistake" and the staff member was "meekly crawling around trying to avoid the storm" before returning to work on Monday.

Colin Leggo, from Twitter capmaign @JamFirst, said: "It's all about identity, it's like the pasty as well. If people get something wrong that you're so connected with... We love how passionate people can be about it, but the reaction did seem full on."

Stevie Selvey posted: "Wow... Are people really getting worked up about a picture of a scone just cause it had cream on first? How pathetic."

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Lanhydrock boasts a late Victorian country house with garden and wooded estate

Mr Levy told the BBC he decided to get #JamFirst badges especially made after posting: "There's no truth in the rumour that we're renaming the property Jamhydrock".

Emma Phillips bravely responded "#creamfirstandproud".

Duncan Biscotto posted: "Don't apologise, it still tastes the same - there are worse atrocities in the world."


I'm from Devon - and even I know it's jam first.  ;) :D ;D



Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 11, 2018, 22:05:47
Right that’s it... cancelling my membership  ;D



Only joking, I get more back in free parking than my membership costs


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: trainer on March 11, 2018, 22:32:02
Looks like another reason for Cornwall to cede from the Empire.  ;D It's here today, scone tomorrow.

Or possibly jam tomorrow?  Then cream.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: eXPassenger on March 11, 2018, 22:49:50
Sorry guys, I was born in Axminster.  It is always cream first.  It is far easier to place jam on clotted cream than clotted cream on jam.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 11, 2018, 22:59:03
It is far easier to place jam on clotted cream than clotted cream on jam.

That doesn't make it right.  ;D



Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 11, 2018, 23:11:30
Sorry guys, I was born in Axminster.  It is always cream first.  It is far easier to place jam on clotted cream than clotted cream on jam.

No it definitely isn’t, a spread of jam with a great scoop of cream on top is far easier


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: JayMac on March 11, 2018, 23:50:03
I'm from Somerset and I am happy with either first. In fact if I'm serving myself I'll have one half scone the Devon way and one half the Cornish way. I believe that's how the UN would resolve the dispute.

I do prefer blackcurrant jam though.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: martyjon on March 12, 2018, 07:30:12
When my mother used to have some cream left over after whipping up a small bottle of double cream she would make us kids cream sandwiches for tea, jam on the buttered bread then cream followed by the second buttered slice of bread and for fun she always asked us if we wanted a Cornish cream sandwich of a Devon cream sandwich. If we answered Cornish she would just hand us the plate, if we said Devon she would put the plate on the table, turn the sandwich upside down and then give us the plate. Such fun when we were kids.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: bobm on March 12, 2018, 07:36:21
Have a bigger problem with cream teas due to the differing shelf life of the ingredients.

Time and time again I buy scones and clotted cream and then don't get round to eating it initially.   The cream lasts a week or more but the scones a few days.  Often the first batch of scones go out for the birds and a second have to be bought to make use of the cream!   Thank goodness the jam lasts!!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: grahame on March 12, 2018, 07:42:11
Have a bigger problem with cream teas due to the differing shelf life of the ingredients.

Time and time again I buy scones and clotted cream and then don't get round to eating it initially.   The cream lasts a week or more but the scones a few days.  Often the first batch of scones go out for the birds and a second have to be bought to make use of the cream!   Thank goodness the jam lasts!!

My parents had good friends - Harold and Alice - and they would take cheese and biscuits to conclude a meal.  But then they took a little more butter than was needed and had to take more biscuits and cheese ... and then the butter ran out so them needed more, but then the cheese ran out and they needed more of that ... and so it went on!  Ah - fond memories. Harold worked for the British Museum and was the pioneer of radio carbon dating; remarkable people.   Minded today with the passing of Ken Dodd too - who my father often went to see in his early days in Liverpool / Knotty Ash.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 12, 2018, 13:23:43
... I buy scones and clotted cream and then don't get round to eating it ...

Wow!  How often does that happen???  :o



Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: bobm on March 12, 2018, 13:25:01
Far too often... birds are getting used to scones.   ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: TonyK on March 12, 2018, 18:57:11
... I buy scones and clotted cream and then don't get round to eating it ...

Wow!  How often does that happen???  :o

I have to pretend that the scones were stale so that I can go back for more. And another tub of cream while I'm there...

I take bignosemac's side so far as jam flavour is concerned. Blackcurrant is my favourite too. Strawberry comes third, after raspberry.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: johnneyw on March 12, 2018, 20:14:06
Heresy I know but I have enjoyed them with cream and, erm, marmalade. Just don't tell the Sconnish Inquisition!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: grahame on March 12, 2018, 20:56:41
Heresy I know but I have enjoyed them with cream and, erm, marmalade. Just don't tell the Sconnish Inquisition!

Ooooh .... Cheese scones with lastings of butter and anchovies


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 12, 2018, 21:56:27
.....the last word.....scientific proof......Devon comes out on top! (As always!) 🙂

https://www.devonlive.com/whats-on/food-drink/scientists-proved-devon-way-making-1331042.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: rogerw on March 12, 2018, 22:10:00
As someone dragged brought up in Dorset with a Devon mother I was taught the Devon way. But, what the heck, it tastes good either way


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 12, 2018, 22:47:16
Ooooh .... Cheese scones with lastings of butter and anchovies

I rather suspect grahame has lost the plot here ...  :P



Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 12, 2018, 22:55:37
Or even cheese with butter and marmite Yum.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: GBM on March 13, 2018, 08:32:28
Or even cheese with butter and marmite Yum.
N O O O O O O O O O O O o o o ooooooo :-X


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: chuffed on March 13, 2018, 08:36:10
Or even cheese with butter and marmite Yum.
N O O O O O O O O O O O o o o ooooooo :-X

Proof, if proof were needed, that the malted vegetable extract REALLY does polarise opinion! ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: trainer on March 13, 2018, 08:58:29
Or even cheese with butter and marmite Yum.
N O O O O O O O O O O O o o o ooooooo :-X

Proof, if proof were needed, that the malted vegetable extract REALLY does polarise opinion! ;D

After a recent encounter with an unrequested addition to a piece of toast in her home, my old ma might agree with that.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: eXPassenger on March 13, 2018, 09:20:03
Or even cheese with butter and marmite Yum.
N O O O O O O O O O O O o o o ooooooo :-X

Proof, if proof were needed, that the malted vegetable extract REALLY does polarise opinion! ;D

Cheese scone with butter, cheddar and marmite - delicious, they should be cut price on the new trolleys.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 13, 2018, 10:15:05
Have a bigger problem with cream teas due to the differing shelf life of the ingredients.

Time and time again I buy scones and clotted cream and then don't get round to eating it initially.   The cream lasts a week or more but the scones a few days.  Often the first batch of scones go out for the birds and a second have to be bought to make use of the cream!   Thank goodness the jam lasts!!
I would like to help you out of this parlous difficulty. And I don't mind what sort of jam it is!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2018, 00:18:36
Just had some Wiltshire scones for supper ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/wiltshirescones.jpg)


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: chuffed on March 14, 2018, 01:25:13
Enough to give you nightmares...eg all the trains running as scheduled with no strange formations and all bang on time!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 14, 2018, 08:58:22
Just had some Wiltshire scones for supper ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/wiltshirescones.jpg)

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Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2018, 08:59:18
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Content gone. I ate it!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: chuffed on March 14, 2018, 09:21:58
Difficult to tell if that's cream or butter below the marmite.....


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 14, 2018, 09:40:21
How can you be sure it's Marmite? It might be chocolate spread!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: GBM on March 14, 2018, 09:50:55
Just had some Wiltshire scones for supper ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/wiltshirescones.jpg)

Sorry, but what the heck has this to do with Cornwall; or even the topic under discussion!
Mods, please move this offending item to a new thread about something else  >:( >:( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(Just a patriotic Cornishman; no offence really intended)


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: martyjon on March 14, 2018, 10:01:44
Gloucestershire Scone, sorry no photo but receipe thus ;-

One Creme Cracker spread with butter, small slice of Goucester Old Spot Gammon Ham topped with a postage size slice of Double Gloucester cheese.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: GBM on March 14, 2018, 10:10:04
Gloucestershire Scone, sorry no photo but receipe thus ;-

One Creme Cracker spread with butter, small slice of Goucester Old Spot Gammon Ham topped with a postage size slice of Double Gloucester cheese.

Boo, hiss  ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: johnneyw on March 14, 2018, 10:14:22
The culinary talents on show here are worthy of a GW Coffee Shop recipe book.....the ideal Christmas gift!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: martyjon on March 14, 2018, 10:40:13
The culinary talents on show here are worthy of a GW Coffee Shop recipe book.....the ideal Christmas gift!

Agree with you, here's another entry from me ;-

No traditional Roast Beef and YORKshire Pudding is complete without the YORKshire Pudding being sprinkled with raspberry vinegar. A national supermarket chain which begins with W goes even further and retails an even better raspberry pulp vinegar (bar code 3 330147 100662) which I use instead of the raw vinegar offering.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 14, 2018, 11:37:54
Coop have it right. Tasted ok as well.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 14, 2018, 12:50:03
But but but... which way up did you eat them?  :D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2018, 13:36:51
But but but... which way up did you eat them?  :D

Standing on my feet.  Very hard to stand on your head, let alone stand on your head and eat at the same time.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: martyjon on March 14, 2018, 13:56:39
Coop have it right. Tasted ok as well.

No Coop in the area where I live, of the big ones I got M's, S's, T's to choose from besides W's and also a SPAR and a LONDIS.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: JayMac on March 14, 2018, 15:44:20
Gloucestershire Scone, sorry no photo but receipe thus ;-

One Creme Cracker spread with butter, small slice of Goucester Old Spot Gammon Ham topped with a postage size slice of Double Gloucester cheese.

All good, but I think it needs finishing off with a bit of quality piccalilli, or a tart chutney/pickle.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 14, 2018, 16:02:40
But but but... which way up did you eat them?  :D

Standing on my feet.  Very hard to stand on your head, let alone stand on your head and eat at the same time.
So you've never had an Australian scone?  ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 14, 2018, 18:32:26
On Wednesdays I go shopping and have buttered scones for tea.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: PhilWakely on March 14, 2018, 18:43:06
More tea vicar, or perhaps another scone?


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: eXPassenger on March 14, 2018, 19:02:49
Just had some Wiltshire scones for supper ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/wiltshirescones.jpg)

Excellent, well done Graham.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: chuffed on March 14, 2018, 19:16:45
Too much information, grahame ;D If you get his name wrong he sends you a packet (tin?) of anchovies in retaliation. Sprinkled with a little something he found at Zizzi in Salisbury 10 days  or so ago. Now you know why its called the Trans WILTS line.....or is it the Trains Wilt line ?


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 14, 2018, 20:25:58
Those should of course be Grahame crackers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker)


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: eXPassenger on March 14, 2018, 21:22:41
Too much information, grahame ;D If you get his name wrong he sends you a packet (tin?) of anchovies in retaliation. Sprinkled with a little something he found at Zizzi in Salisbury 10 days  or so ago. Now you know why its called the Trans WILTS line.....or is it the Trains Wilt line ?

Many apologies grahame.  I would accept the anchovies, but not from Salisbury.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: PhilWakely on March 14, 2018, 22:26:42
Sadly, the Australians also get it wrong.............. spotted at Karunda railway station, Queensland and duly chastised  >:(

(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1Te6XvJTjBpeEA95bsj8NHIeetjI7k0IX)


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: bobm on March 16, 2018, 17:36:38
I suppose if it says Devon on the packet

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/dev1.jpg)

..there is only one way to eat them!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/dev2.jpg)


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 16, 2018, 18:46:20
Got it right! Good man!


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: JayMac on March 16, 2018, 21:56:14
Love the mug too!  ;D

Now, let's celebrate the differences of Devon and Cornwall by venturing up to the best West Country county for a pint of Scrumpy and a hunk of vintage Farmhouse Cheddar.

Pasties and cream teas have their place, but only Somerset's finest produce can induce wobbly legs and surreal dreams.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: bobm on March 16, 2018, 22:19:33
Must admit I do like a good cheese ploughman’s with a cider.

As for being wobbly on my legs.  Had that problem for a while.  ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: PhilWakely on March 17, 2018, 07:54:21
Just to put the debate to bed (and apologies for the click bait).....

It is scientific, so it must be right! (https://www.devonlive.com/whats-on/food-drink/scientists-proved-devon-way-making-1331042)   ;D ;) :P




Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: rogerw on March 17, 2018, 08:08:32
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: JayMac on June 21, 2018, 20:57:30
A Devon & Cornwall music festival, featuring classic British bands, has been cancelled.

Organisers couldn't agree whether The Jam or Cream should go on first.


Title: Re: The end of civilisation in Cornwall as we kernow it?
Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 26, 2018, 12:59:07
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/prince-williams-lands-israel-historic-first-royal-visit/amp/



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