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Title: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ChrisB on March 13, 2018, 21:23:15
More 'weather' to come over the weekend,specifically Sunday pm into Monday...


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 05:53:55
More 'weather' to come over the weekend,specifically Sunday pm into Monday...
Looking at latest overnight forecast model run mainly dry and cold. I’d take that. Had enough of rain.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ChrisB on March 14, 2018, 11:07:55
Check London.....most trains emanate from there/go there.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 11:31:00
Check London.....most trains emanate from there/go there.
Chris, I'd be seriously concerned if a few snow showers caused problems for trains in the London area on Sunday. The 'low risk' of significant snowfall in the South has now receded.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ChrisB on March 14, 2018, 11:38:50
You're right - wonder when the warnings were removed?

Although last night's weather for the week ahead had snow across southern UK on Sunday.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 11:44:13
You're right - wonder when the warnings were removed?

Although last night's weather for the week ahead had snow across southern UK on Sunday.
Yeah you could get a line of showers giving a covering more especially South East England. Won't know for sure until nearer time. It was amazing how well the last major snowfall a few weeks back was forecast with forecast models very much in agreement showing the weather system coming up from the South 7+ days out.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 12:48:14
There you go Chris, Met have issued a yellow warning for snow showers Sunday  :)
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2018-03-18


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ChrisB on March 14, 2018, 13:47:33
Indeed....knew it was coming.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 14, 2018, 13:55:50
Thanks, ChrisB.  I have therefore split these recent posts off into a new topic of their own.  CfN.  :)



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: froome on March 14, 2018, 14:33:46
Yes the last major snowfall was very well forecasted, and I'm generally very impressed with the accuracy of most forecasts made by the Met Office now.

This weekend's forecast does seem to be ever changing. I also noticed that the snow that had been forecasted here in Bath for Sunday disappeared this morning, but now seems to have returned, with the warning for everywhere to the east from a line from Poole north through Bath to the Cotswolds. I suspect this will change in detail a few times before it actually arrives, so we'll have to wait and see.

Engineering works had already scuppered the journey we had hoped to make on Sunday, but presumably these may also be affected if it does get bad?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 14, 2018, 14:36:20
Do snow showers with a "small chance " of travel delay really constitute "severe weather - advice not to travel"?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 15:01:23
Do snow showers with a "small chance " of travel delay really constitute "severe weather - advice not to travel"?
I would say an amber 'be prepared' warning should be the trigger whether to travel or not and if you do be prepared for disruption to your journey.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 14, 2018, 15:23:25
Do snow showers with a "small chance " of travel delay really constitute "severe weather - advice not to travel"?
I would say an amber 'be prepared' warning should be the trigger whether to travel or not and if you do be prepared for disruption to your journey.

I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: didcotdean on March 14, 2018, 16:06:02
If you look at the 'Chief Forecaster Assessment', the phrasing is:
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As this air crosses the North Sea snow showers will form on Sunday, and could well merge into convergence lines producing 2-5 cms of snow in places. This is most likely near the Thames estuary and the Wash, and these snow showers could then spread westwards.
All fairly low level stuff, at the 'be aware' level.

The models still are a bit divergent for Sunday.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TonyK on March 14, 2018, 17:03:47
Do snow showers with a "small chance " of travel delay really constitute "severe weather - advice not to travel"?
I would say an amber 'be prepared' warning should be the trigger whether to travel or not and if you do be prepared for disruption to your journey.

Aviation reports come with a probability figure. Commercial pilots generally ignore anything under 30%. The question for the railway is different - is it a small chance of snow, or a chance of a small snowfall?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 14, 2018, 19:29:50
I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: JayMac on March 14, 2018, 20:39:30
I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

Lazy stereotype.

Every person I saw interviewed on the news after not heeding warnings and getting stuck in the snow was old enough to know better. Didn't see many young adults caught out.

What I did see reported on the news were students and young adults walking round city and town centres helping homeless folk with hot food, clothing and extra bedding.

Remember, the current generation's worldview is shaped by the way they were raised and educated by the previous generations. If there is any blame for them being 'snowflakes' it lies with the generations preceding.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: lbraine on March 14, 2018, 21:34:26
I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

Hear Hear

All I saw during the ‘beast from the east’ was local snowflakes digging out cars, pushing immobilised vehicles to safer spots and handing out cups of tea to ...... aged grumpy ol’ buggers (yes I am one too) who decided not to heed experts advice.

Don’t fall for the media stereotypes - they are nearly always wrong in everything else, as they are with this characterisation.



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ellendune on March 14, 2018, 23:04:39
I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

Hear Hear
All I saw during the ‘beast from the east’ was local snowflakes digging out cars, pushing immobilised vehicles to safer spots and handing out cups of tea to ...... aged grumpy ol’ buggers (yes I am one too) who decided not to heed experts advice.
Don’t fall for the media stereotypes - they are nearly always wrong in everything else, as they are with this characterisation.

Nice to see everyone on the same wavelength then. 

So is it nanny because they shouldn't need to tell people not to travel because they should know?

Around here the difficulty was the change in conditions due to the hills.  I mere 3 inches down here and 5 - 8 ft drifts in places up on the tops. 


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 15, 2018, 08:00:32
I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

I agree, we reach for the panic button far too readily these days.
Nanny State. Snowflake generation have to be told what to do upon seeing a snow flake or puff on wind.

Hear Hear
All I saw during the ‘beast from the east’ was local snowflakes digging out cars, pushing immobilised vehicles to safer spots and handing out cups of tea to ...... aged grumpy ol’ buggers (yes I am one too) who decided not to heed experts advice.
Don’t fall for the media stereotypes - they are nearly always wrong in everything else, as they are with this characterisation.

Nice to see everyone on the same wavelength then. 

So is it nanny because they shouldn't need to tell people not to travel because they should know?

Around here the difficulty was the change in conditions due to the hills.  I mere 3 inches down here and 5 - 8 ft drifts in places up on the tops. 

Perspective & proportion.

If the people of one of the most advanced nations on Earth are panicking & seriously beimg advised to avoid travel because the forecast suggests there might be some snow showers bringing a small chance of disruption with which we are unable to cope, then I'd say we have a problem.

If the weather situation is more grave, then clearly that's a different matter.I guess that's why there is a scale of warnings?

Also, never underestimate the danger of crying Wolf.



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Puffing Billy on March 15, 2018, 08:21:33
When they say "yellow snow warning" ..... ?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 15, 2018, 09:05:07
When they say "yellow snow warning" ..... ?

The warning I always followed was "never eat yellow snow" - particularly if I was walking the dog.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 15, 2018, 09:10:15
The warning I always followed was "never eat yellow snow" - particularly if I was walking the dog.
Yep stay away from the golden snow  ;D


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 15, 2018, 19:21:58
The Met have now updated the yellow warning to include the possibility (currently about 30% chance) of a more organised spell of snow coming up from the South on Sunday. The warning has also been extended further West.

I think I’ll go to ChrisB for the weather forecast in future who called this the other day  ;D


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TonyK on March 15, 2018, 20:01:20
So long as I can get to Bristol Airport on Monday, and off the floor there, I shan't be in anyone's way.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: JayMac on March 15, 2018, 22:36:47
So long as I can get to Bristol Airport on Monday, and off the floor there, I shan't be in anyone's way.

Off somewhere nice from Lulsgate International?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 15, 2018, 23:43:53
Hmm.  :-X

Two Thursdays ago, I was driving my van near Bristol Airport, and found the A38 impassable, due to ice.  Buses and taxis were sliding all over the road outside the Airport Tavern - unable to get to, or leave, Bristol Airport.  The runway at Bristol Airport was also closed, due to ice.

Pulling out of a side lane onto the A38 at no more than walking pace, my van started to slide sideways on the camber.  ::)

The moral of the story is, don't count on being able to get to Bristol Airport in snow conditions - you probably won't.  ::)



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 16, 2018, 02:55:48
Latest update - from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43420929):

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'Mini Beast from the East' brings fresh snow warnings

Yellow snow warnings have been issued as a "mini Beast from the East" is expected to hit the UK.

The Met Office said north-eastern Scotland and England could see snow on Friday with the rest of the country hit at the weekend with up to 20cm falling.

Sunday will see "significant snowfall" with a maximum temperature of 1C.

Meteorologists said although it is the same Siberian weather as the "Beast from the East", which caused widespread disruption, it won't last as long.

The first warning for snow and ice comes into force at 15:00 GMT on Friday.

Met Office meteorologist Martin Bowles said the yellow could be upgraded to amber on Sunday but a red warning, as issued during the last "Beast from the East", was "extremely unlikely".

He said: "We don't expect it to be Beast from the East Mark Two - you could call it a mini Beast from the East I suppose, as it is a less severe version of it. We don't expect anything like the same impact as a result of it, although there will be some snow about."

He said the bitterly cold blast will be "fairly short lived", with low temperatures still around on Monday before it warms "fairly rapidly" from Tuesday.




Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ChrisB on March 16, 2018, 14:06:19
Amber warning issued for areas around/including outer surburban London now


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 16, 2018, 18:52:14
The Met have just recently now issued an Amber warning on Sunday for quite a large part of the West Country into South Wales. The Met report there is still a degree of uncertainty so this warning could be subject to correction between now and Sunday.

Keep a close eye on the forecast if you are travelling this weekend.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: froome on March 16, 2018, 18:53:47
Amber warning issued for areas around/including outer surburban London now

Also amber warning now out for much of Devon and Somerset, including Bristol, and for S.E. Wales, for Sunday morning, with more organised snow developing then. Some uncertainty on the extent of this at present. But it is now being talked about as more akin to the snow we had two weeks ago.

I see Timmer has just beaten me to it!


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: JayMac on March 16, 2018, 21:59:13
I've read and heard this term, "organised snow" a few times now. What does it mean exactly?

Surely disorganised snow is more of a concern.  :P


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: ellendune on March 16, 2018, 22:03:06
I've read and heard this term, "organised snow" a few times now. What does it mean exactly?

Surely disorganised snow is more of a concern.  :P

It is snowflakes that have joined the National Union of Snowflakes and have arranged for collective bargaining in disputes over their short lives.  They organise the disruption of transport and other human activities in protest that their demands for longer living snow are not being met. 


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: devonexpress on March 17, 2018, 00:59:44
Apparently the South West has an amber warning, who wants to bet that a few peaks on Dartmoor get some snow, and thats about it.  ;D


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 17, 2018, 04:01:36
OK .. looks like we are in for a Saturday (17th) of services quite unlike any other Saturday.  Looks more like a Sunday!

* Swindon shut - Bristol and South Wales services diverted via Berks and Hants
* Crew shortages - significant(%) cancellations from between Paddington and South Wales
* Crew shortages - significant(%) cancellations from between Paddington and North Cotswolds
* Bedwyn turn back out of use - services turning back an Newbury
* Bradford junction out of use - no trains from Westbury to Chippenham
* Heathrow connect - one in 3 cancelled due to lack of available trains

% - "Significant" - loss of 2 successive trains at certain points in the day

Will update topic when next awake - someone in an office somewhere is still adding journey changes as I write!


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 17, 2018, 06:15:16
Looks like this thread needs renaming Saturday 17th of March as well as Sunday advice not to travel and not because of the weather.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Timmer on March 17, 2018, 06:39:58
GWR have published a webpage outlining services affected due to weather:

https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

If you are viewing this outside of the UK please don’t laugh at us.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: martyjon on March 17, 2018, 06:59:53
08:10 Westbury to Chippenham due 08:35
08:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 09:08
10:05 Westbury to Chippenham due 10:30
10:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 11:10
12:05 Westbury to Chippenham due 12:30
12:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 13:08
14:05 Westbury to Chippenham due 14:30
14:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 15:08
16:05 Westbury to Chippenham due 16:30
16:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 17:08
18:05 Westbury to Chippenham due 18:30
18:30 Bristol Temple Meads to Chippenham due 18:56
18:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 19:08
19:11 Chippenham to Bristol Temple Meads due 19:40
20:11 Chippenham to Taunton due 22:00
20:40 Bristol Temple Meads to Chippenham due 21:06
21:00 Westbury to Chippenham due 21:30
21:15 Chippenham to Bristol Temple Meads due 21:44
21:42 Chippenham to Westbury due 22:08
21:57 Bristol Temple Meads to Chippenham due 22:23
22:47 Chippenham to Bristol Temple Meads due 23:15

All cancelled due to severe weather.


Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.






Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 17, 2018, 07:01:14
Unlike the Trans Wilts, the Trans Siberian railway is expected to operate a normal service this weekend, notwithstanding a little chilly weather.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 17, 2018, 07:03:39
Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.

That is more colourful wording but the same sentiment that I'm seeing on Facebook.  I am asking about alternatives via twitter; response awaited.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 17, 2018, 07:08:27
Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.

That is more colourful wording but the same sentiment that I'm seeing on Facebook.  I am asking about alternatives via twitter; response awaited.

........sled drawn by huskies perhaps?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 17, 2018, 07:12:06
GWR have published a webpage outlining services affected due to weather:

https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

If you are viewing this outside of the UK please don’t laugh at us.


And for those viewing from outside (and inside) the UK when this has changed / the GWR page has been archived into oblivion, here is what it says.

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Snowfall impact on travel

Snow showers have been forecast across some parts of our network this weekend, and the Met Office has issued an Amber Weather Warning in the Thames Valley from 1600 on Saturday.

Please check expected local weather conditions and train travel advice for both your outward and return journeys in case train services are affected.

Saturday 17 March
The Met Office has issued a Yellow Weather Warning for much of the GWR network.

Train services will be unable to operate between Newbury and Bedwyn, visit JourneyCheck for more details.
Train services will be unable to operate between Westbury and Chippenham via Melksham, visit JourneyCheck for more details.
From 19:00, train services will be unable to operate between Bristol Temple Meads and Chippenham, we are sourcing replacement road transport.
Snowfall is forecast to spread over the network on Saturday, starting in the East between London Paddington and Reading from 6am, spreading westwards towards Devon (as far as Exeter, Severn Tunnel Junction and Hereford).

From 16:00 on Saturday, the Met Office has issued an Amber Weather Warning between London Paddington and Reading, between Reading and Basingstoke and between Reading and Gatwick Airport. Snow showers are expected to become more frequent through Saturday evening and night with icy patches also developing on some untreated surfaces.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 17, 2018, 08:02:12
Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.

That is more colourful wording but the same sentiment that I'm seeing on Facebook.  I am asking about alternatives via twitter; response awaited.

Response received:

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Hello. There aren't any replacement buses in place. Train services will be unable to operate between Westbury and Chippenham via Melksham due to the expected impact of snowfall. Natalie



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: bobm on March 17, 2018, 08:13:16
Left hand and right hand... this was posted on Journeycheck just before 8am

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Alterations to services between Westbury and Chippenham

Due to severe weather between Westbury and Chippenham all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations have been suspended. Melksham will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Due to anticipated heavy snowfall; the decision has been taken to suspend services between Chippenham and Westbury (via Melksham) in both directions for the whole of today; 17th March 2018.

The suspension allows Network Rail to protect critical signalling assets to enable the main Westbury to Bath and Chippenam to Bath lines to run.

Replacement Buses have been sourced to run at the following times between Westbury and Chippenham:-

Westbury 08:10
Trowbridge 08:25
Melksham 08:40
Chippenham 09:05
Melksham 09:25
Trowbridge 09:40
Westbury 09:55

And then approximately every 2 hours until 18:10 (incl).

Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
Last Updated:17/03/2018 07:53


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: broadgage on March 17, 2018, 11:17:20
Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.

Normal pigs are incapable of level flight.
The flying pigs are genetically modified, are NOT approved for human consumption, and the carcasses of crashed flying pigs must therefore be either used as pet food or be disposed off.

If a flying pig crashes into the OHLE I suspect that it would make a bigger explosion than a pigeon.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: stuving on March 17, 2018, 17:18:46
How much snow does it take to not stop a train? One answer to that is provided by the IEP requirement:

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TS1845 The IEP Trains must maintain Full Functionality during and after running through snow up to a depth of (above rail level):
  • 200mm; continuous operation with no speed restriction; and
  • 300mm; continuous operation is required but reduced speeds are permitted.

My reaction when I first saw that was "really?" That's a lot of snow to squash under the front wheels and push aside, and that has to happen very quickly. I'm not sure that's physically possible, though snow is tricky stuff as its behaviour depends a lot on temperature (among other factors).

And then there's drifts - before deciding trains can run at speed X with snow depth Y, for any Y and for X faster than very slow,  you need to know Y over the whole route - any hint of drifting and all bets are off. So that may be of no practical use anyway.

Of course what trains can do is only half the problem (or the answer), there is also the effect of removing the staff who used to look after points and report conditions, before replacing them completely with new systems (fancy or just plain effective).

But, really, did trains even run through that much snow at full speed - meaning eight inches plus the height to rail head?


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on March 17, 2018, 23:20:09
Unless my ears are deceiving me the snow isn't forecast to hit GWR land till this evening so why are services being cancelled as early as 08:10. Me thinks to myself and thinks the flying pigs have crashed and the resultant carcasses have been turned into pork pies and to feed to customers.

Normal pigs are incapable of level flight.
The flying pigs are genetically modified, are NOT approved for human consumption, and the carcasses of crashed flying pigs must therefore be either used as pet food or be disposed off.

If a flying pig crashes into the OHLE I suspect that it would make a bigger explosion than a pigeon.

That might explain why the Great Western OHLE is so over-engineered - it needs to be able to survive flying pig crashes.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 18, 2018, 01:47:29
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43439807):

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'Mini Beast from the East' brings snow and ice to parts of UK

Snow and ice has gripped parts of the UK as a cold snap dubbed the "mini beast from the east" sweeps in.

Parts of eastern England and Scotland have already seen snow, with more expected in the Midlands and Wales.

More than 100 flights to and from Heathrow Airport have been cancelled and drivers are warned to take care.

Amber warnings of a possible risk to life affect north-west England, Yorkshire, the Midlands, London and south-east England from the afternoon.

Met Office yellow "be aware" warnings are also in place across much of the UK until Sunday.

The heaviest snow showers have affected north-east England into the North Midlands, as well as parts of southern England - including Hampshire, Sussex and Kent.

Temperatures dipped to a low of -3.2C in Loftus, North Yorkshire, during the afternoon.

But strong winds made temperatures feel as cold as -7C or -8C for some.

Gusts of up to 70mph are expected in northern England and parts of Wales, forecasters say.

The Met Office said: "Travel delays on roads are likely, stranding some vehicles and passengers. And some delays and cancellations to rail and air travel are likely."

The cancellations at Heathrow have mostly affected short-haul routes, although BA services to New York and Chicago have been disrupted.

A BA spokesman said: "During cold weather conditions aircraft have to be de-iced prior to departure to ensure that they are safe, and additional measures are being taken to ensure the safety of our operation is maintained at all times."

Other cancelled flights from Heathrow include services from Lufthansa, Aer Lingus, TAP Air Portugal and KLM.

About 15,000 passengers have been affected by the disruption, according to the Independent's travel editor Simon Calder.

He told the BBC: "If you're booked to travel tomorrow, don't be too surprised if you get a text or an email later saying, 'by the way, we've rebooked you on a different flight'."

The Heathrow Express service between London Paddington and the airport has also been disrupted. Trains have been running once every 30 minutes in either direction. This service will continue throughout Saturday evening, according to National Rail.

There have been no severe disruptions at Gatwick Airport, however passengers are advised to check their journeys before travelling.

National Rail has advised passengers to check for service disruptions before travelling.

Great Western Railway services between Newbury in Berkshire and Bedwyn, Wiltshire and between Westbury and Chippenham are disrupted.

Great Northern said up to 8cm of snow could fall on its network from the evening and warned services could be cancelled at short notice.




Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: martyjon on March 18, 2018, 05:40:36
Weather Report from Yate.

Sprinkling of snow on my back garden, enough to cover the patio slabs but not enough to hide the joints between the slabs but probably enough to keep HST's and IEP's in their depots but a Pacer should be able to make it out OK with those little blades they laughingly refer to as snow ploughs attached to the wheelsets underneath the driving cabs which are absolutely useless in 2mm of snow anyway.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: froome on March 18, 2018, 05:53:12
It has been snowing quite hard in Bath for a while now. Predictions are for up to 25cm on south-west's moors. I would assume nothing much will be moving today. Probably best to stay in bed.  ;)


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 18, 2018, 07:20:58
It has been snowing quite hard in Bath for a while now. Predictions are for up to 25cm on south-west's moors. I would assume nothing much will be moving today. Probably best to stay in bed.  ;)

Sounds like it makes sense to "travel only if you have to" today and have a "Key route strategy" operating.

Weather in Melksham?   Contrast a picture taken at 17:30 last night and one from 07:00 this morning:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/overnightsnow.jpg)


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 18, 2018, 07:35:51
......any chance of you recreating the scene with dog & laptop this morning? 🙂


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: martyjon on March 18, 2018, 07:37:16
Begun to snow quite heavily in Yate now, must've moved north from Bath.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 18, 2018, 08:14:32
Just stopped falling here in West Berks, but at least 10-12cm's lying, maybe a bit more.

More than we had in this area a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 18, 2018, 08:17:43
......any chance of you recreating the scene with dog & laptop this morning? 🙂

Done.

No photo though - no-one around to take the picture.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 18, 2018, 08:26:38
There was considerable disquiet yesterday at the decision to close the TransWilts due to "severe weather" when there was no severe weather to be seen ... and with that closure coming after a week in which performance was awful on trains and buses already scheduled on a poorer service than normal, with people on some journeys asked to pay more, there was considerable negative feedback.

My comments / thoughts at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=19504 which is in a "TransWilts Member" area.  It is not a high volume area of the forum, but it does allow the separation of some material from the main board for people who prefer not to read yet more about our particular line ... and it avoids a negative day being indexed by the search engines and highlighted as a problem to casual visitors for years to come.

Should members who are not in the TransWilts Member area wish to join it, please like this thread or send me a personal message - all welcome.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on March 18, 2018, 11:18:49
Just stopped falling here in West Berks, but at least 10-12cm's lying, maybe a bit more.

More than we had in this area a few weeks ago.
Enough in Reading to cause the Half Marathon to be cancelled. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-43447929


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: martyjon on March 18, 2018, 11:24:11
Just stopped falling here in West Berks, but at least 10-12cm's lying, maybe a bit more.

More than we had in this area a few weeks ago.
Enough in Reading to cause the Half Marathon to be cancelled. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-43447929

Weston-Super-Mares also.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 18, 2018, 18:03:23
An update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43445768):

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Travel warnings as snow and ice hit UK

Snow and ice are causing further disruption to road, rail and air travel in parts of the UK.

A Met Office amber warning of a possible risk to life because of snow is in place in south-west England until the early hours of Monday morning.

Airports have been shut and several sporting events have been cancelled, including the Reading half-marathon, while some roads are impassable.

In Devon, dozens of schools will be closed on Monday due to heavy snow.  BBC Weather's Sarah Ransome says despite having gritters out relentlessly, Devon is still covered in "a very heavy dump of snow".

All Flybe-operated flights departing from Exeter Airport have been cancelled for the rest of the day, while snowfall caused the temporary closure of Bristol airport on Sunday morning.

Other airports, including Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Luton, have urged passengers to check flight information before travelling.

Snow and ice have also led to road closures and vehicles being abandoned, with police warning motorists to avoid certain routes.

Two multi-vehicle crashes have caused long delays on the A30 around Okehampton and Whiddon Down in Devon. Emergency services were unable to get to the scene as a lorry was blocking the road.

Officers from Lincolnshire Police spent seven hours digging out 35 stranded vehicles after they became stuck in snow drifts on the A158 near Edlington overnight.

BBC Weather's Billy Payne said ice was an increasing risk as freezing temperatures hit damp surfaces where snow had been compacted underfoot and under tyres.

And Richard Leonard, Highways England's head of road safety, said that while gritters would be treating the roads, it was "important to drive to the conditions when snow is forecast".

Meanwhile, Great Western Railway, South Western Railway and Great Northern Rail have all reported delays and cancellations.  Customers are encouraged to check National Rail Enquiries before leaving home.

Among other transport disruption caused by snow and ice:
- Bus Company First South Yorkshire has cancelled a number of services across the region, with Sheffield badly affected
- The Heathrow Express is operating a reduced service between London Paddington and Heathrow Airport
- There are delays on the Severn Bridge as high winds have caused the closure of a lane
- South Western Railway warned freezing temperatures were causing numerous points failures, including at Eastleigh and Aldershot
- Some rail replacement buses around Manchester have been unable to run
- Cheshire Police warned there was "no route to safely cross the Pennines into Cheshire"
- Other roads blocked by snow or stranded vehicles included the A54, A537 Cat and Fiddle and B5470, the A38 northbound between Birmingham and Burton, the A3 southbound at Thursley, and the A331 Blackwater Valley Relief road

In Cumbria, mountain rescue teams were called to help 15 people stuck in a cafe near Kirkby Stephen, and an ambulance that could not reach patients in Langdale.

Elsewhere, the Anglo-Welsh Cup final is just one of a number of sporting events and fixtures postponed due to the weather.

The City of Lincoln 10km and Shrewsbury 10km run were called off, as were half-marathons in Wigan and Wilmslow.

However, about 100 runners held their own unofficial half-marathon in Reading, despite the snow.

There was no horse racing in Britain as both Carlisle and Ffos Las abandoned events due to the weather.

And in football, Derby's Championship match against Cardiff was postponed.  The surrounding areas of Pride Park have been left in an unsafe condition following heavy overnight snowfall, officials said.

In West Yorkshire, BBC Look North's Sport Relief "Big 50 Sofa Challenge" was also postponed.  Presenters of the regional TV news programme were due to push a red sofa 10 miles from Bradford to Haworth, but organisers called it off due to "treacherous" conditions.

Six Nations champions Ireland, meanwhile, cancelled their homecoming "due to heavy snowfall".

The wintry snap dubbed the "mini beast from the east" brought the heaviest snow showers on Saturday to north-east England and the North Midlands, as well as parts of southern England - including Hampshire, Sussex and Kent.

A cold spell nicknamed "the Beast from the East" saw much of the UK and Europe blanketed in snow at the start the month.




Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 18, 2018, 23:34:05
From your local reporter on the ground: Nailsea is getting more snow now, with outside temperature at minus three degrees.  ::)



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 19, 2018, 01:57:17
An update from Nailsea: it's still snowing, and still minus three - not looking too good for travel to work in the morning.  ::)

Should I revise this topic's heading - yet again?  :-\



Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: charles_uk on March 19, 2018, 08:54:27
Strangely, the Cotswold Line appeared to have had a near normal service yesterday (and no noticeable crew shortage cancellations either). This morning was a different picture: the first six services to London all cancelled due to the weather, only the two coach 06:53 Worcester Foregate Street to Didcot Parkway halts train running.


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 19, 2018, 14:22:02
80 people stranded overnight last night due to impassable roads in Devon:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/uk-weather-snow-mini-beast-east-shuts-a30-devon-stranded-drivers/


Title: Re: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March 2018 - Severe weather - advice not to travel
Post by: grahame on March 19, 2018, 18:18:14
18:15

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Alterations to services between Swindon and Westbury
Due to severe weather between Swindon and Westbury the line towards Melksham is closed.
Train services running through these stations have been suspended. Melksham will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Limited road transport is in operation. If you are travelling between Trowbridge and Chippenham, your ticket is valid via Bath Spa.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.

Speaking with "GWR" (really Capita) I am told that the first southbound train (tomorrow - Tuesday) is cancelled at present on the TrasWilts due to "severe weather" and services scheduled to resume with the first train from Melksham "to Swindon". Not clear if that's the 07:19 (which carries on to Cheltenham Spa) or the 07:49 (which terminates at Swindon).   Weather does seem to linger on railway lines in this part of the UK ...



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