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Title: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Lee on March 05, 2008, 23:03:05
FGW links.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2216

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2217

Quote from: FGW
From Monday 10 March until approximately 1530 on Friday 14 March 2008 buses will be replacing trains between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids.

From Monday 17 March until approximately 1530 on Friday 21 March 2008 buses will be replacing trains between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 06, 2008, 10:07:48
...and for those people who can't read FGW's appallingly small print, there's an easier-to-see version here:
http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/Engineering+Work (http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/Engineering+Work)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 06, 2008, 10:17:20
There's also a summary of the work to be carried out here:
http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/Engineering+Details (http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/Engineering+Details)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Lee on March 31, 2008, 10:15:41
From the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership website (link below) :
http://www.carfreedaysout.com/events/tarevent.htm

Quote from: Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership
Jazz Trains back for 2008

Tarka Line Jazz Trains will run again from Barnstaple to Eggesford during Summer 2008. Dates for 2008 are:
Friday 13 June, Sunday 29 June (a special Sunday lunch session with the Steve Tucker All Stars Band playing solely at the hotel), Friday 11th July, Friday 8th August and Friday 12th September.

The train will leave Barnstaple at 18 08, arriving at Eggesford at 18 37. Everyone then makes the short walk to the Fox and Hounds Country Hotel where the band continues to play.

The return train will leave Eggesford at 21 34, arriving back at 22 03. The Adult Cheap Day Return fare is ^4.50 - four people travel for the price of two Adult Cheap Day Return fares - a total of ^9.00

The train can't be booked in advance but you do need to book with the Fox and Hounds Hotel if you have dinner there while the band plays. Please follow the link to their website (http://foxandhoundshotel.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=49) or call them on 01769 580345


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 08, 2009, 16:33:16
From thisisnorthdevon.co.uk (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/Passenger-numbers-rise-Tarka-railway-line/article-1045808-detail/article.html):

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The number of passengers using the Tarka Line between Barnstaple and Exeter increased by almost a quarter in March, new figures reveal.

There were 25,146 passengers using the scenic line in that month alone, which is 23% more than in March 2008.

The rise in popularity of the 39-mile river valleys route, which is run by First Great Western, has been attributed to an improved service and special ticket deals.

Recent complaints about overcrowding on some services, including at weekends, appears not to have deterred passengers.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 08, 2009, 17:37:01
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The rail company will not at all be happy with this.
They have been laying on a terrible service with prices hikes in the hope passengers will dminish, save them having to run the service and upgrade the line then, as it would be economically nonviable.

(I have a friend who works for them and can take this as reliable). The Boss, Devon
I loved this comment, the muppet who wrote it obviously hasn't read the article, more passengers are using it beacaus THE "RAIL COMPANY" have put on MORE trains! they're hardly going to put on more trains to turn away passengers!!!! duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr  ???


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Btline on June 08, 2009, 17:54:07
Ha ha, perhaps he is thinking of the FGW Axe in 2006! (where many feared that branch lines were to be AXED)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 08, 2009, 17:56:02
Ha ha, perhaps he is thinking of the FGW Axe in 2006! (where many feared that branch lines were to be AXED)

Don't you mean the DfT minimum service?  ???

Seriously btline, why don't you work for a tabloid newspaper, some of the sensationalised stuff you come up with...!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 09, 2009, 13:42:23
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8090678.stm):

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Commuters in call for more trains

Commuters in north Devon have demanded more early and late trains on the Exeter to Barnstaple line.

The Tarka Line has hourly services to Exeter, but the earliest leaves Barnstaple at 0709.

Getting to London means changing at Exeter, which means the earliest commuters can get to London is 1130.

First Great Western, which operates the line, says it does not make any money from it and will need financial support from Devon County Council for changes.

Passenger numbers on the line have risen by 50% since 2001, to about 320,000 journeys a year.

But the Tarka Rail Association, which represents commuters, said commuters to London were not being given an adequate service.

Braunton-based businessman Tony Carter-Burns needs to travel to London for meetings. But he is so frustrated by the line's services that he regularly drives to Tiverton to get an earlier connection to London. He said: "I'd love to see an early train that would get me to London for 0900. "That would be fantastic, but right now it's a real pain."

Julian Crow, regional manager for First Great Western, said there were no plans for increased services to London, although a new early morning service was being considered for Plymouth. Any changes would be subject to funding from the county council. He said: "We have to talk to the county to see how affordable it would be."


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Btline on June 09, 2009, 15:37:20
Don't you mean the DfT minimum service?  ???
Seriously btline, why don't you work for a tabloid newspaper, some of the sensationalised stuff you come up with...!

But that's what I mean. ::) The headlines assumed it was FGW's cuts. My post was about Vacman's "muppet", who probably believed them.

So in my original post, I should have used inverted commas around "FGW Axe". Then perhaps you would have understood. ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 09, 2009, 16:26:43
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8090678.stm):

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Commuters in call for more trains

Commuters in north Devon have demanded more early and late trains on the Exeter to Barnstaple line.

The Tarka Line has hourly services to Exeter, but the earliest leaves Barnstaple at 0709.

Getting to London means changing at Exeter, which means the earliest commuters can get to London is 1130.

First Great Western, which operates the line, says it does not make any money from it and will need financial support from Devon County Council for changes.

Passenger numbers on the line have risen by 50% since 2001, to about 320,000 journeys a year.

But the Tarka Rail Association, which represents commuters, said commuters to London were not being given an adequate service.

Braunton-based businessman Tony Carter-Burns needs to travel to London for meetings. But he is so frustrated by the line's services that he regularly drives to Tiverton to get an earlier connection to London. He said: "I'd love to see an early train that would get me to London for 0900. "That would be fantastic, but right now it's a real pain."

Julian Crow, regional manager for First Great Western, said there were no plans for increased services to London, although a new early morning service was being considered for Plymouth. Any changes would be subject to funding from the county council. He said: "We have to talk to the county to see how affordable it would be."

They can actually get to London for 1125. Moaners  :P

Amusing too that you can't get to London from Tiverton until 0922 unless you leave at the crack of dawn!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 09, 2009, 22:16:21
How many people would actually bother to commute to London from Barny? 3? 4?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 09, 2009, 22:42:41
A service that connected with the up Hind might be useful. Although how can they complain at an hourly service? The barny line hardly passes through any areas of high population!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 09, 2009, 22:55:51
A service that connected with the up Hind might be useful. Although how can they complain at an hourly service? The barny line hardly passes through any areas of high population!
Some people will moan about anything, I'm sure grham wouldn't complain about an hourly service to a certain town in Wilts!!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Feckham on June 10, 2009, 10:17:15
Hi

Well I do the "commute" on an infrequent basis getting in at 11:25(ish) is not a problem as London office is only 10 minute walk.  However if management want there before this, then it is the "Crack of Dawn" job, with a taxi to TVP at hugely inflated prices of course.

So long as FGW keep the 18:03 from PAD for the return, its not a bad days work, all things considered, apart from the EXD connection on way home.

For the benefits of the contributor in the BBC article wanting to get to London by 09:00 to "commute" - there are plenty of alternatives for such "meetings" - "Decline Invitation" is just one of those  :o - or get the other invitees to try and get from PAD to BNP by 09:00 and hold the meeting in Devon.

Fecks


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on June 10, 2009, 22:48:51
How many people would actually bother to commute to London from Barny? 3? 4?
You'd be surprised I think, a lot travel monday, and return friday, but there are a few that do it more regularly.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Henry on June 11, 2009, 08:27:15

 But could you justify the cost of running a train from Exeter at approx 04.00 to make up the return service.
 
 Considering the profit made by FGW the cost is probably minimal, and in the ideal would it would probably happen.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Feckham on June 11, 2009, 08:51:44
Hi

In reality, I could only ever see them re-introducing the "Milk/Mail train", if the likes of Royal Mail etc empowered FGW with the early delivery to Barnstaple Mail Centre for re-distribution around North Devon.

As with all reality - this is not very likely to happen, as with mediums such as this forum etc, the number of physical letters being sent (excluding junk mail) has declined rapidly over the last 10 years and the A361 North Devon Link also introduced more options over the railway.

Fecks


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The Grecian on June 15, 2009, 19:09:48
I do like some of the 'knowledgeable' comments in that article. Granted the 142s are crummy compared to the 'luxury' of a 150, particularly on the Barny branch which can be a tad bouncy, but I fail to see how putting on 2 extra services is running it down...

Out of interest, has anyone ever seen a passenger use Newton St Cyres, Portsmouth Arms or Chapelton? I've used the line about 10 times (in summer) and I've never seen anyone there, although I know most trains don't stop there.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 15, 2009, 20:51:07
Newton St Cyres evening stops get used with a nearby pub.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: cereal_basher on June 15, 2009, 20:57:44
The only time I have been to Barnstaple someone got on at Portsmouth Arms.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 15, 2009, 22:15:15
they are doing alot of advertising on this line, including tarka walks i think the main problem with the line is the wait near barny to enter the single line section that you sometimes get.. 30 mins is the record for me


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Feckham on June 16, 2009, 11:18:47
Hi

I have indeed seen passengers at all three stations mentioned, predominantely the advertised services due to stop as opposed to the "request" stops.

Copplestone is also increasing in passenger numbers, I would suggest, with the new housing developments happening there.

they are doing alot of advertising on this line, including tarka walks i think the main problem with the line is the wait near barny to enter the single line section that you sometimes get.. 30 mins is the record for me

On such a long wait I would assume was at Eggesford, as the last token section, and that the train from Barny was obviously delayed on its way up.  Same happens at Crediton in either direction, some timetables have an advertised wait there, (not quite long enough to use the very nice Cafe).  On the whole the waits are bearable even for regular passengers, but with only 2 passing loops available for the 39 miles of the route, its unavoidable if any services are delayed in either direction.

Fecks





Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Tim on June 16, 2009, 12:02:51
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8090678.stm):

Quote
Commuters in call for more trains

Commuters in north Devon have demanded more early and late trains on the Exeter to Barnstaple line.

The Tarka Line has hourly services to Exeter, but the earliest leaves Barnstaple at 0709.

Getting to London means changing at Exeter, which means the earliest commuters can get to London is 1130.

First Great Western, which operates the line, says it does not make any money from it and will need financial support from Devon County Council for changes.

Passenger numbers on the line have risen by 50% since 2001, to about 320,000 journeys a year.

But the Tarka Rail Association, which represents commuters, said commuters to London were not being given an adequate service.

Braunton-based businessman Tony Carter-Burns needs to travel to London for meetings. But he is so frustrated by the line's services that he regularly drives to Tiverton to get an earlier connection to London. He said: "I'd love to see an early train that would get me to London for 0900. "That would be fantastic, but right now it's a real pain."

Julian Crow, regional manager for First Great Western, said there were no plans for increased services to London, although a new early morning service was being considered for Plymouth. Any changes would be subject to funding from the county council. He said: "We have to talk to the county to see how affordable it would be."

They can actually get to London for 1125. Moaners  :P

Amusing too that you can't get to London from Tiverton until 0922 unless you leave at the crack of dawn!

The problem with using the branch for London-barney trips is that because you have to change at Exeter rather than Tiverton you end up travelling a long way round.

As for getting to London early - there is an excellent Barnstaple - Tiverton bus (115) which runs every hour with a 1hr 10 min journey time.  The earliest bus leaves at 6am.  However because it runs to Tiverton town rather than the parkway station and there is no usefully timed connection to Parkway (appart from a taxi) it is not possible to leave Barney at 6am and get to Tiverton Parkway in time to catch the 756 train to London which arrives at 1002 despite the bus getting to Tiverton Town at 710 which would give 46 minutes to get to parkway if only the timetables were better thought out.   A lack of integration leads to a poorer service than it could be and denies the residence of Barnstaple a full day in the capital without having to drive to the Parkway station.   How many cars are parked at Parkway for the 756 train?  How many of them are from Barnstaple?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Andy on June 16, 2009, 14:52:43
Maybe the WSR will extend back to Barnstaple (hey a new phenomenon, "reopening by stealth") along the old Taunton-Barnstaple formation from Norton Fitzwarren, giving an interchange with the WSR and a direct Barnstaple-London route.  ;)




Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 16:34:55
Maybe the WSR will extend back to Barnstaple (hey a new phenomenon, "reopening by stealth") along the old Taunton-Barnstaple formation from Norton Fitzwarren, giving an interchange with the WSR and a direct Barnstaple-London route.  ;)




we wish lol, i cant belive noone has brought up the reversal at e-s-d if a london to barny did run, unless it went via yeovil which has more problems

hehe the first swt service could start at barnstable and get there by 9 if your crazy enough to set out at 4?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The Grecian on June 16, 2009, 19:30:35
Maybe the WSR will extend back to Barnstaple (hey a new phenomenon, "reopening by stealth") along the old Taunton-Barnstaple formation from Norton Fitzwarren, giving an interchange with the WSR and a direct Barnstaple-London route.  ;)




we wish lol, i cant belive noone has brought up the reversal at e-s-d if a london to barny did run, unless it went via yeovil which has more problems

hehe the first swt service could start at barnstable and get there by 9 if your crazy enough to set out at 4?




Thanks for the replies. I think there was a service in the 1960s after Waterloo trains were terminated at ESD from 1964 which ran Paddington-Castle Cary-Yeovil PM-Yeovil Junc-Exeter St Davids-Okehampton-Bude. It didn't last for long though - much like the Bude branch sadly. Barnstaple also had direct Summer Saturday trains to both Waterloo and Paddington until about 1981. Again, being in my 20s I've only read this so I don't actually remember it.

While Taunton-Barnstaple won't re-open anytime soon, it would be nice if the Barny line could be upgraded a bit. If the crossings at Salmon Pool (north of Crediton), Eggesford (where trains seem to spend about 5-10 minutes most of the time when I've been there) and Umberleigh were automatised somehow, you could probably run a limited stop service in 45-50 minutes. But the chances of that happening are pretty negligible.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 20:49:45
actually thinking about it, maybe it isn't so silly ... the first swt service leaves exeter at just after 5 and gets to london at around 850.... i would imagine it could start at barnstable and run express to exeter st davids at that time of the morning quite quickly, it would need alot of users to justify the fuel and staffing costs just for one station but if the demand is there as suggested in this forum it could work what do you guys think?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 16, 2009, 21:05:32
Silly idea. People don't want to stop at such absurd places as Pinhoe, Whimple etc on their way to London.

The train would need to be:
0415 Barnstaple - London Waterloo Calling:
Barnstaple, Eggesford, Crediton, Exeter SD, Central, Pinhoe, Whimple, Feniton, Honiton, Axminster, Crewkerne, Yeovil, Sherborne, Templecombe, Gillingham, Tisbury, Salisbury, Grately, Andover, Whitchurch, Overton, Basingstoke, Woking and London Waterloo
arrive 0846 journey time 4h31
trolley service, first class, no power sockets

Alternatively
0555 Barnstaple - Exeter St Davids Calling:
Barnstaple, Eggesford, Crediton, Exeter St Davids
CHANGE
0655 Exeter St Davids - London Paddington Calling:
Taunton, Reading, London Paddington 
arrive 0900 journey time 3h5
travelling chef "select", first class, power sockets all round


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 21:20:35
bearing in mind not everyone wants to go first class and if they do its there! and i did say forget Eggesford, Crediton  i think your looking at a journey time of more like 4 hours and ten mins if you can do barnstable-exeter none stop in 30 mins there are power sockets on these units even in standard, the only issue is the trolly which i have never seen on a swt service but its in the timetable book so hey


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 16, 2009, 21:24:51
Thats an average speed of 75mph  ???


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 21:28:10
to be fair i dont know the line speed of this line... i know its not that ok then if it went at max possible speed that the line allows how long would it take to get to exeter from barny

and just to back up my theory that people would use this service your logic would apply to the existing services from exeter to waterloo and even as far as plymouth, people use these.. and i dont just mean from honiton onwards people use them from exeter and plymouth so why dont they use fgw?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 16, 2009, 21:37:36
I bet few business minded (who travel first class) people use the SWT service. Its slow!

Why would you leave the house before 4am to get to Barnstaple station when you could leave nearer 5.30am and get to London 14 minutes later.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 21:56:57
exactly, a few...  :D

i was answering the question of a direct service from barn to london that would get there by 9 do you agree that if a service was introduced that this would be the cheapest way of provideing it?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 16, 2009, 22:15:10
bearing in mind not everyone wants to go first class and if they do its there! and i did say forget Eggesford, Crediton  i think your looking at a journey time of more like 4 hours and ten mins if you can do barnstable-exeter none stop in 30 mins there are power sockets on these units even in standard, the only issue is the trolly which i have never seen on a swt service but its in the timetable book so hey
trains have to stop at Eggesford to do the token and operate the level crossing.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 22:21:23
bearing in mind not everyone wants to go first class and if they do its there! and i did say forget Eggesford, Crediton  i think your looking at a journey time of more like 4 hours and ten mins if you can do barnstable-exeter none stop in 30 mins there are power sockets on these units even in standard, the only issue is the trolly which i have never seen on a swt service but its in the timetable book so hey
trains have to stop at Eggesford to do the token and operate the level crossing.

they do indeed guess that adds 5 mins easy, is there a token section at crediton too?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 16, 2009, 22:44:12
No, it would cost a fortune and run empty till Exeter!!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 16, 2009, 22:57:58
No, it would cost a fortune and run empty till Exeter!!

back to the question does anyone want a direct service or is this a pointless convo... people who live in or near barns please


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Feckham on June 17, 2009, 09:08:11
Hi

No, it would cost a fortune and run empty till Exeter!!

back to the question does anyone want a direct service or is this a pointless convo... people who live in or near barns please

Short answer, yes, but know it will never happen.

Even the thought of an 05:55 from BNP>EXD, you would have to get the stock there in the first place to run it, so again won't happen

BNP> TAU will never reopen, the A361 North Devon link has been built on much of the trackbed, and bridges removed closer to Norton Fitzwarren

Perhaps the next suggestion would be to have North Devon International Airport at Chivenor  :o


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on June 18, 2009, 20:21:51
Most of the line speed on the Barnstaple branch is 55mph, with a couple of 60/70 mph sections. With the token exchanges at Eggesford and Crediton, I reckon the quickest you could do BNP-EXD would be about 50 mins.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 18, 2009, 20:34:31
well if i had to be in london by 9 and lived up there i would use that service if it existed as long as there was deffo a trolly!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on June 18, 2009, 20:50:34
I'd drive.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: oilengineer on June 18, 2009, 21:12:27
For a long time the Last DOWN SWT service from Waterloo DID THIS, on arrival at Exeter St D the Coaches went into the yard, the Train Crew THEN took a long break till the early hours in Hyde Park Train Crew Mess then worked the same unit as the First up Exeter St D- Waterloo, now why not make the trip up to Barnstaple, your early service easily provided.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 18, 2009, 21:40:28
For a long time the Last DOWN SWT service from Waterloo DID THIS, on arrival at Exeter St D the Coaches went into the yard, the Train Crew THEN took a long break till the early hours in Hyde Park Train Crew Mess then worked the same unit as the First up Exeter St D- Waterloo, now why not make the trip up to Barnstaple, your early service easily provided.

glad someone else agrees, you know when you see the price difference its easy to see why alot of people chose the west of england route!!

click below for price differences interesting to see an off peak available at 630 on a london bound service??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/relex109/3638862545/sizes/o/


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Lee on November 27, 2009, 16:15:48
From the North Devon Journal: (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/late-night-Tarka-Line-train-service/article-1556611-detail/article.html)

Quote from: North Devon Journal
Call for late night Tarka Line train service

A pressure group has called for improvements to the Tarka Line in response to a Network Rail report.

Network Rail has produced a draft "route utilisation strategy", which sets out the future of the South West railways until 2030. Members of the public can offer comments on the strategy.

In response to the draft, the Tarka Rail Association (TRA) has published its own 18-page report calling for the current hourly train service on the line to run 18 hours a day, and for the provision of a late-night train from Exeter to Barnstaple departing at around 11pm.

In addition, TRA has suggested enhancements to the track to achieve Barnstaple to Exeter journey times of less than one hour and the provision of more modern three-car trains to improve passenger comfort and to boost seating capacity.

TRA chairman John Phillips said: "We have an unrivalled knowledge of the issues that most affect passengers day-to-day, and we see it as our job to make sure the planners are fully aware of passenger needs and concerns that otherwise might go unnoticed.

"We view our report very much as part of a cooperative process. The Tarka Line has experienced greater passenger growth than any other route in the West of England.

"A collaborative effort between all the major stakeholders ^ Network Rail, First Great Western, Devon County Council and, in particular, the passengers who ride the line and whom we represent ^ is crucial to the line's future success."

The Tarka Line has seen a 91% increase in passenger numbers since 2001, TRA said.

The Network Rail draft strategy is out for consultation until November 27 and the final document is expected in early 2010.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 28, 2009, 23:31:29
In response to the draft, the Tarka Rail Association (TRA) has published its own 18-page report calling for the current hourly train service on the line to run 18 hours a day, and for the provision of a late-night train from Exeter to Barnstaple departing at around 11pm.

That report can be found here:
http://tarkarail.org/RUS 09 Response.pdf (http://tarkarail.org/RUS 09 Response.pdf)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on November 28, 2009, 23:39:17
I'm sure the chaps and chapesses at Exeter "West" will having something to say about arriving back in Exeter gone 1am!!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: signalandtelegraph on November 29, 2009, 07:14:14
I'm sure the chaps and chapesses at Exeter "West" will having something to say about arriving back in Exeter gone 1am!!

You could make it a lodging turn (or have a traincrew depot in Barnstaple)  ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 29, 2009, 09:32:09
.... i know im going to get shouted at now... but remember a while ago when we discussed direct services/connections from barny to the capital i brought up southwest trains... would it be that much of a killer to run this requested late service by extending one of the late services from waterloo onto barny and then starting there early in the morning? which would also provide north devon with a direct service to london


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on November 29, 2009, 13:43:10
A well written report, but early on it states that typical average journey times from Barnie to St Davids are 1 hr 18 mins. Now setting aside the fact that it should probably be "typical" or "average" but not both, according to my timetable most services take 1 hr 5 mins northbound, and 1 hr 10 mins southbound.

To get such a basic statistic wrong is such an important document is disappointing, and will not enhance the authors' credibility if the report is considered in detail.       


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on November 29, 2009, 18:32:20
I'm sure the chaps and chapesses at Exeter "West" will having something to say about arriving back in Exeter gone 1am!!

Last one back from Bristol books off at 0137 so nothing new there  ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on November 29, 2009, 18:37:23
The last Exmouth is quite late as well. But what do you 'Donkey Link' men have to worry about that! Bet the loco hauled lot love doing it  ;)

(Unless of course their diagrams have changed or I was told a load of rubbish  :D)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on November 29, 2009, 18:48:14
The last Exmouth is quite late as well. But what do you 'Donkey Link' men have to worry about that! Bet the loco hauled lot love doing it  ;)

(Unless of course their diagrams have changed or I was told a load of rubbish  :D)

The 'Donkey Link' ( :D) have to do the last one from Bristol at the moment, but no idea if that will change come 13th December.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: super tm on November 29, 2009, 21:36:39
Yes and when west and HSS are fully integrated they will have night work (Sleepers)
So a turn finishing at that time wont seem so bad   :D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on November 29, 2009, 22:19:40
Yes and when west and HSS are fully integrated they will have night work (Sleepers)
So a turn finishing at that time wont seem so bad   :D

Let me just look out of my window... oh yes there's that flying pig again  ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on November 30, 2009, 10:15:15
Thanks for spotting the error John R, in the rush to beat the cut off date for responses this error was missed in the proof reading, it should read 1 hour 8 minutes, and an amended version will appear on the website in due course.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 30, 2009, 11:05:25
Thanks for spotting the error John R, in the rush to beat the cut off date for responses this error was missed in the proof reading, it should read 1 hour 8 minutes, and an amended version will appear on the website in due course.

And there was me thinking that John and Patrick had managed to get their paws on it ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: qwerty on December 02, 2009, 15:16:14
I'm sure the chaps and chapesses at Exeter "West" will having something to say about arriving back in Exeter gone 1am!!

No Problem.
The current last Barney goes through to Exmouth and makes the last one from there, so you dont get done until 00.40 anyway.


The major sticking point would be to put a night shift on in Crediton signal box, as currently the Bobby goes home when the last one is off his patch.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Tim on December 02, 2009, 15:58:37

The major sticking point would be to put a night shift on in Crediton signal box, as currently the Bobby goes home when the last one is off his patch.


A stupid naive question I am sure, but if the last train is the only train on the branch, why is a signaller needed?  What is there for the train to crash into? 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on December 02, 2009, 17:12:25

The major sticking point would be to put a night shift on in Crediton signal box, as currently the Bobby goes home when the last one is off his patch.


A stupid naive question I am sure, but if the last train is the only train on the branch, why is a signaller needed?  What is there for the train to crash into? 

I believe the signalman at Crediton controls a nearby level crossing, so there is the opportunity for a train to crash into a motorist 'running the risk'  :D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: devon_metro on December 02, 2009, 22:50:40
Points, signals and level crossings need operating. Not to mention any emergencies


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on December 03, 2009, 14:59:25
Crediton signaller also operates the Token machine for the CDI-EGG section, and EGG-BNP, (though the driver operates the machine at Eggesford). There are no signals beyond Yeoford.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Tim on December 03, 2009, 15:04:38
Ok thanks


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 09, 2009, 21:57:33
Crediton signaller also operates the Token machine for the CDI-EGG section, and EGG-BNP, (though the driver operates the machine at Eggesford). There are no signals beyond Yeoford.

Oh yes there are.

Distant Boards, Stop Boards and Point Indicators at Eggesford.

Distant board at Barnstaple.

All of these are classified as signals 8)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Lee on December 10, 2009, 10:48:51
Welcome to the forum, SandTEngineer


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on December 10, 2009, 18:04:04
Back to training school for gaf71  ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on December 10, 2009, 20:41:50
Did I not say 'controlled'? ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on December 10, 2009, 20:46:31
Crediton signaller also operates the Token machine for the CDI-EGG section, and EGG-BNP, (though the driver operates the machine at Eggesford). There are no signals beyond Yeoford.

Oh yes there are.

Distant Boards, Stop Boards and Point Indicators at Eggesford.

Distant board at Barnstaple.

All of these are classified as signals 8)
You forgot the white lights at Umberleigh crossing, and the BU indicators at  Eggesford. If you are going to be pedantic, do it properly! :D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Whippo on December 14, 2009, 14:02:18
What about a re-introduction of through trains from Torbay or Plymouth to Barnstaple??
I know that most passengers would probably like a direct service to central rather than change at St Davids but as it stands most services from Plymouth and some from the bay don't call at central anyway (XC/FGW Paddington services). Also, most stopping services later at night from the bay terminate at St. Davids so there would be potential especially at weekends. (Haven't seen the new TT yet though so correct me if i'm wrong!)

As to the Signalling at Crediton, I presume there is still freight to/from Meldon so perhaps that is why there are staff at night. (Again, correct me if i'm wrong about this too!!)

Cheers :)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on December 14, 2009, 20:42:33
What about a re-introduction of through trains from Torbay or Plymouth to Barnstaple??
I know that most passengers would probably like a direct service to central rather than change at St Davids but as it stands most services from Plymouth and some from the bay don't call at central anyway (XC/FGW Paddington services). Also, most stopping services later at night from the bay terminate at St. Davids so there would be potential especially at weekends. (Haven't seen the new TT yet though so correct me if i'm wrong!)

As to the Signalling at Crediton, I presume there is still freight to/from Meldon so perhaps that is why there are staff at night. (Again, correct me if i'm wrong about this too!!)

Cheers :)

I believe there is a relief signalman overnight at Crediton when there is freight around.  Whether that is a permanent fixture or not I don't know.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: RichardB on November 26, 2010, 13:34:36
http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/Train-hopping-cat-hitches-ride-Tarka-line/article-2930888-detail/article.html


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 159jim on November 26, 2010, 20:21:35
LOL!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2010, 03:49:07
1..2..3..  aaaahhh.  :D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on December 08, 2010, 11:29:45
The late night Exeter to Barnstaple service starts next week on Fridays only. Leaves St Davids 2300 ish and returns ECS. I believe this is for a trial period to begin with.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 17, 2011, 18:54:14
From this is North Devon (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/news/class-did-sit/article-3334631-detail/article.html):

Quote
Reporter Joel Cooper jumped on an early train to Exeter to quiz First Great Western regional manager Julian Crow about the Barnstaple to Exeter rail service.

Julian Crow has been regional manager of First Great Western's West of England service since 2006 when the company took over the franchise from Wessex Trains.

Despite this being his first foray into the world of local trains, he admits to relishing the challenge of developing branch lines within the region.

However, during his time in charge, he says he has also heard almost every complaint in the book about the Barnstaple to Exeter service.

I put some of the recurring concerns of regular rail users to Mr Crow to see what plans the firm has to address them.

But first I had to get to Exeter using the first class ticket the train company had, rather surprisingly, sent me . . .

Bleary-eyed and expecting the worst, I took my seat on the 7am service to meet First Great Western boss Julian Crow at Exeter's St David's station.

The train company's press office had kindly sent me a complimentary first class return ticket for the service.

I politely asked the conductor to point me in the direction of the first class carriage, naively expecting a reclining seat, complimentary nibbles and as much champagne as I could quaff.

However, with a wry smile, the conductor said: "You'll be lucky." Worth a try I guess.

I was fortunate to be travelling on a Class 143 Pacer model with proper seats, a toilet and much needed heaters.

As the whistle blew and the train rolled away, both carriages were approximately half filled with the slightly bemused faces of unenthusiastic rural commuters.

The service stopped at all of the 13 stations along the route ^ namely Chapelton, Umberleigh, Portsmouth Arms, Kings Nympton, Eggesford, Lapford, Morchard Road, Copplestone, Yeoford, Crediton, Newton St Cyres, Exeter St David's and Exeter Central.

The carriage slowly started to fill up along the route with no more than 30 passengers in total getting on at the rural stations.

However, there were still a fair few seats available and the rolling countryside views afforded by my window seat provided a pleasant distraction.

It was at Yeoford that I started to notice the sighs of passengers who could not find a seat and when we arrived at Crediton around ten people were stood near the doors and in the aisles.

Fortunately the remaining journey time was no more than ten minutes and, after a brief stop at Exeter St David's, Central station soon came into view.

My journey had taken 83 minutes and had not been anywhere near as unpleasant as I'd feared.

Maybe I was lucky to catch it on a quiet day. Perhaps it would have been a different story if I'd travelled on an older train.

Maybe doing this journey every day would start to take its toll on my mental wellbeing.

Don't get me wrong, there is certainly room for improvement ^ but things could be a lot worse too.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 17, 2011, 19:02:33
Quote
I put some of the recurring concerns of regular rail users to Mr Crow to see what plans the firm has to address them.

It would've been nice if the reporter had included them in her article!

Or, perhaps she wasn't allowed to, with FGW's responses being 'commercially sensitive' and requested to be off the record.  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 17, 2011, 19:45:11
Just as an aside, a first name of Joel may be male or female.  :P


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Brucey on March 17, 2011, 19:48:20
Quote
Perhaps it would have been a different story if I'd travelled on an older train.
Does he/she realise that the 143 is at least 26 years old?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 17, 2011, 20:16:01
Just as an aside, a first name of Joel may be male or female.  :P

Agreed, for some reason I thought it said Jo.  :-[

A bit of Google research throws up a Joel Cooper, journalist at the North Devon Journal, who's gender is male. According to his Facebook profile.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 17, 2011, 22:56:14
Quote
I put some of the recurring concerns of regular rail users to Mr Crow to see what plans the firm has to address them.

It would've been nice if the reporter had included them in her his article!

Or, perhaps she wasn't allowed to, with FGW's responses being 'commercially sensitive' and requested to be off the record.  ;) ;D

You need to buy the paper - it was a full-page story, and the part quoted above was roughly a quarter of the page.



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 17, 2011, 23:03:20
Ah-ha. Thanks for that TJ. Wouldn't care to scan and post the rest of the article would you?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 17, 2011, 23:06:34
I distinctly recall saying that you would need to buy the paper: I only read a copy I found lying around in the pub tonight!  ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 17, 2011, 23:09:09
What? And you didn't think to 'borrow' it?  ;)

No good me buying one. a) doubt I'd find a copy in Bristol and b) my scanner's knackered.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 18, 2011, 23:30:33
Don't say I never give you nuffink:

(http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/file/view/18032011005.jpg/211906066/18032011005.jpg)

(http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/file/view/18032011003.jpg/211906062/18032011003.jpg)

(http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/file/view/18032011004.jpg/211906064/18032011004.jpg)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 18, 2011, 23:37:55
Thank you very very much TJ. Have a gold star.  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Ollie on March 18, 2011, 23:44:03
Aw :( I didn't see FGW advertise for press officer - must have missed that one. (not that I would of got it anyway lol)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on March 19, 2011, 00:04:31
always winds me up when people say "why dont you put another carriage on", "sorry, my magic wand isn't working".........


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 19, 2011, 00:06:33
Ollie, you might not have got the job, but I bet you'd've known there was little point in issuing a First Class comp ticket for Barnstaple to Exeter!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Ollie on March 19, 2011, 00:15:49
Ollie, you might not have got the job, but I bet you'd've known there was little point in issuing a First Class comp ticket for Barnstaple to Exeter!
Aha indeed. It's the thought that counts :P


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bobm on March 19, 2011, 20:57:06
On the subject of complimentary tickets I remember in an earlier life when I was a journalist and was doing a story about on train catering on Western Region - as it was then - they sent me an all stations first class pass. It arrived on a Saturday morning ready to use on the Monday but only had an expiry date. I had a great weekend going all over the place - including an overnight train to Penzance. As I recall there were no sleeper berths. When did BR/FGW stop this overnight service on a Saturday?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Super Guard on March 20, 2011, 18:01:41
always winds me up when people say "why dont you put another carriage on", "sorry, my magic wand isn't working".........

99% of the time I agree with that  ;), but on Saturday/Sunday when there are spare units, it slightly irritates me that no-one with any power is prepared to strengthen a service when it's clearly needed.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on March 20, 2011, 21:59:38
always winds me up when people say "why dont you put another carriage on", "sorry, my magic wand isn't working".........

99% of the time I agree with that  ;), but on Saturday/Sunday when there are spare units, it slightly irritates me that no-one with any power is prepared to strengthen a service when it's clearly needed.
I believe most of the "shed" work is done on weekends though isn't it? has to be done some time!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: RichardB on May 10, 2011, 16:56:35
We're just putting together the new Tarka Line Guide and are finding getting hold of really good scenic photos of FGW trains on the line on a sunny late Spring/Summer's day very difficult.

Has anyone got anything that might be suitable?  We'd give you a credit in the leaflet.  Class 150 ideally.

Please e-mail me at rburningham@plymouth.ac.uk

Thanks.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on May 10, 2011, 17:06:27
you know what, this is one of the lines i have used the most but i dont actually have many photos of it and those i do have are not that good, but heres a 150 at barnstaple
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/relex109/5553337399/in/photostream)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5229/5553337399_b153861f9e_m.jpg)





Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on August 31, 2011, 12:40:00
Quote
THE Tarka Line is one of the top ten fastest growing branch lines in Britain, according to new figures published by the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC).

Full story: http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/tarka_line_is_in_the_top_ten_1_1009060 (http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/tarka_line_is_in_the_top_ten_1_1009060)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on September 15, 2011, 18:07:10
Why didn't this come up in unread topics for me?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 25, 2011, 09:19:34
With the falmouth truro branch being 1st or 2nd largest growth I believe


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 01, 2011, 13:15:12
Quote from: http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Modern-carriages-track-Tarka-Line/story-14009790-detail/story.html
RAIL travellers in North Devon will benefit from newer, larger trains next year as First Great Western secures the last two available carriages in the UK.

Note the subject line and the first line of the article (quoted above), then read the full story to find out just how modern and large they are...  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 01, 2011, 20:14:15
how does 2 153s have more seats than 2 143s? 46 each apparantly?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2011, 20:24:44
how does 2 153s have more seats than 2 143s? 46 each apparantly?


2 car 143 = 106 passengers seats. 2 x 153 = 150 seats.  44 seats more + 2 x driver's seats in mid cabs on 153s = 46 seats more.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on December 01, 2011, 20:50:52
Not to mention that 2x153's also has 2 toilets, 2 bike spaces and 2 luggage racks! oh and your knees dont get shattered on jointy track either.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 01, 2011, 23:09:02
and tables


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on December 01, 2011, 23:57:26
Stretching the definition of 'more modern' just a bit in that article.

Class 143 introduced in 1985/86.

Class 153 introduced in 1987/88.

 ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on December 02, 2011, 11:33:21
Stretching the definition of 'more modern' just a bit in that article.

Class 143 introduced in 1985/86.

Class 153 introduced in 1987/88.

 ::)


Think class 153 was converted to its current form post 1990 if we're going to get all pedantic.
 ;D

Anyway it's more seats as pointed out above.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Tim on December 02, 2011, 11:58:24
...the reason for lower seating capacity being that 143s are unusally short units because they lack boggies.  If they were the length of a "normal" unit they would get stuck on the corners.  They already squeal enough on tight bends.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 02, 2011, 18:10:51
how does 2 153s have more seats than 2 143s? 46 each apparantly?


2 car 143 = 106 passengers seats. 2 x 153 = 150 seats.  44 seats more + 2 x driver's seats in mid cabs on 153s = 46 seats more.

ok i read it as 2 x 153s replacing 2 x143s (i.e. 4 carriages)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 02, 2011, 19:01:07
thats how i read it... however the government always see it as carriages


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on December 02, 2011, 20:03:46
the 1623 EXM-BNP (1657 from EXD) is also to be a 150 vice 143 from Dec, much needed as this train is usually rammed!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on December 14, 2011, 12:57:37
Great news and much needed extra capacity.

Although I personally find the 153s a bit cramped legroom-wise they are still a massive improvement on the awful, draughty, bench-seated 142s.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on January 28, 2012, 15:26:40
Now all we need to do is speed up the journey time a bit.

2 minutes 4 seconds EXD - BNP anyone?

 ;D

HS3, North Devon? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgtH6K6f-Sw)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 28, 2012, 17:52:25
Now all we need to do is speed up the journey time a bit.

With you driving??  I'd like a seat belt and a sick bag, please!  :o


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: smokey on January 29, 2012, 11:06:16
Exceeding EVERY Speed limit.   >:(

I'm surprised they even stopped to pick up the Token(s).  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on February 29, 2012, 20:32:26
What a bunch of Clarts.... ::) ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-17201864
 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-17201864)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on February 29, 2012, 20:58:49
What a bunch of Clarts.... ::) ::)

Whaddya mean, 'bunch'? As far as I can tell, there's only two of them...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on February 29, 2012, 21:02:29
Everyone has a voice during the franchise consultation period, but can this 'group' really be representative of local users and stakeholders?

Can't find anything about "North Devon Public Transport Users Group" online save for references to this story.

I suspect Patrick Adams (see here (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Campaigners-radical-rail-shake-Tarka-Line/story-15351779-detail/story.html)) and John Gulliver just want a slightly quicker journey to their destination and they've got one or two like minded souls to agree to their preposterous idea.

As well as gullible journalists printing their (non) story.  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on February 29, 2012, 22:01:40
I never heard of North Devon Public Transport Users Group.


The Railway is for the General public and the person from the Tarka Rail Association pointed on Radio Devon this morning out that Network Rail are going to work on the Line at the end of this year , which will increase the line speed.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 01, 2012, 07:55:30
I think the official attitude is probably best summed up in the response at the bottom of this (http://consult.torridge.gov.uk/portal/planning_policy/jcs/prepub_cs?pointId=ID-1041835-P-3.53&do=view) page:

"No change recommended. The proposed change is too detailed with no identified means of delivery."


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 01, 2012, 08:46:58
In any case 'North Devon Public Transport Users Group' is such a dull name. I propose a change:

Barnstaple Station Railway Development Society


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 01, 2012, 10:24:43
In any case 'North Devon Public Transport Users Group' is such a dull name. I propose a change:

Barnstaple Station Railway Development Society

Hahaha ;D

I merely assumed it was proposed on behalf of somebody from Turners Bus trying to drum up a bit more passing trade for the Turners 377 Chulmleigh - Exeter bus by shutting stations South of Eggesford, making the bus the only option...

In any case FGW gave a ridership figure of something over 500,000 journeys per year which doesn't suggest to me that the line is exactly on its knees in it's current mode of operation.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The Grecian on March 01, 2012, 16:59:05
It's something of a historic oddity that no stations (so far as I know) on the Tarka Line closed during the Beeching era, including stations such as Chapelton and Portsmouth Arms where there isn't exactly much of a local community, and yet places such as Cullompton, Wellington, Ivybridge and Plympton lost their stations despite serving such a large area. The difference was obviously due to the aim of speeding up mainline services and withdrawing local stoppers.

I think it's been said elsewhere on here that no real time savings would be made from withdrawing current stops due to the single line and the need to pass at Eggesford and Crediton, so it'd be fairly pointless anyway. You could of course create double track from Crediton to Coleford Junction without much difficulty as there's 2 single lines already. I somehow doubt though that the Tarka Line is a major candidate for redoubling given the cost it seems to involve.

I'm not suggesting there's any merit to these suggestions - more that as an hourly service taking an hour or less doesn't seem to be possible, there'd be no benefit to closing any stations anyway. Besides the smallest stations are only served by peak hour trains anyway when I presume there's a few people using them.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 02, 2012, 19:02:39
I never heard of North Devon Public Transport Users Group.


The Railway is for the General public and the person from the Tarka Rail Association pointed on Radio Devon this morning out that Network Rail are going to work on the Line at the end of this year , which will increase the line speed.

It sounds to me that a couple of 'big noise' people want faster journeys to Exeter and think the idea of stopping the train to pick up people en route is a bloody inconvenience best catered for by the Turners 377 bus.

The idea that you can improve a railway by removing several points of access to it is absurd (I've had to restrain my thoughts on the choice of words by the way), a point no doubt not lost on the 8% (their own figures) likely to be affected by such a move.

The worrying thing is that as the franchise is currently being re-let is that the bereft of brain at DfT might take such an idea seriously. Lets hope not.....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on March 04, 2012, 11:05:15
It's an interesting dilemma. Part of the problem is that the services which are amongst the busiest - those getting people to Exeter before 9am - are those that have the most intermediate stops, and, are also the sensitive most sensitive to journey time i.e. how long it takes them to get to work.

It will be interesting to see how NR's track most welcome track improvement works increase line speeds, but the central issue remains: the vast majority of passengers would rather the train didn't stop between BNP and EXD. The frequent stops become rather tedious (for perhaps any one but a rail enthusiast) and make the journey feel twice as long. This is not my opinion but that of the passengers around me.

However, all the facts point to increased usage of the majority of intermediate stations, most showing a year-on-year increase for several years. Look at how Umberleigh has prospered ( ;)). Look at Crediton with its fantastic paintwork and wonderful cafe. Morchard Road is a crucial access point for many walking the Two Moors Way. Yeoford could/will soon become an interchange. We know why all trains stop at Eggesford... and so on.

Of course, money could solve the dilemma. A new passing loop at, perhaps, Portsmouth Arms and and it would be possible to run a half-hourly peak time service, allowing an hourly three-stops-only service. Oh, and a new signal box at Eggesford. Remove Salmon Pool crossing. Half a dozen new units to provide the extra services. Electrification... (I'll stop now :D).

Perhaps one part-solution worth investigating is that 377 bus providing a feeder service into Crediton station from Lapford, Coppletone etc with through ticketing. The rail journey into the City is faster and easier than the bus having to fight its way through rush hour traffic. Thoughts anyone?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on March 04, 2012, 11:17:25
This issue raised it's head at the TravelWatch SouthWest AGM on a couple of occasions. Were you there Umberleigh?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on March 04, 2012, 18:22:52
I think what ever you do you will not please everyone.

When NR sort out the track and increase the speed of the line this will help to improve things.

The other thing you could do is have a service from Okehampton stops at all the stop to Exeter and this will allow the Barnstaple train to only have to stop at Crediton and then Exeter.

Long term

Build  freight transfer yard  on the outskirts of  Barnstaple
Create a  extra loop.
Modernise the signaling on the line
Find  European  funding to  build the line from Barnstaple to Great Torrington.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 04, 2012, 19:36:55
The other thing you could do is have a service from Okehampton stops at all the stop to Exeter and this will allow the Barnstaple train to only have to stop at Crediton and then Exeter.

How many stations on the Barnstaple line would trains from Okehampton be able to stop at, precisely?  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Btline on March 04, 2012, 21:13:20
This does throw open the issue that there are stations on the system that simply need closing! In many places, stations are as close together as stations in urban areas! This is ridiculous. Why should a clump of houses get stop when they can travel 5 minutes down the road to a station? If we went on that basis, there would be stations every 100 yards along railways in urban areas. Most towns just have one station, people are expected to travel to it, not for it to stop outside the front door.

A lot of thinning out happened on the mainlines, resulting in faster journey times benefitting the majority of people. Some lines were missed!

This comment is general - I'm not saying that a dozen stations on this route should be axed, but I imagine there are some which have little purpose! I read once that 25% (I think) of stations cater for 1% of traffic. This is shocking and wrong! In an age where we need value for money as fares go up, we should stop wasting money and fuel on some halts that should have gone years ago!

In this case it seems that axing 12 stations to save 15 minutes seems pointless - esp as it is a rural branch line.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on March 04, 2012, 23:14:31
It would be three stations

Yeoford
Crediton
Newton St Cyres

The Okehampton line

Okehampton railway station
Sampford Courtenay

North Tawton
Bow


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 04, 2012, 23:35:42
So if a Barnstaple train is only going to call at Crediton, you are happy to leave Chapelton, Umberleigh, Portsmouth Arms, Kings Nympton, Eggesford, Lapford, Morchard Road and Copplestone with no service, yes?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 04, 2012, 23:59:23
So if a Barnstaple train is only going to call at Crediton, you are happy to leave Chapelton, Umberleigh, Portsmouth Arms, Kings Nympton, Eggesford, Lapford, Morchard Road and Copplestone with no service, yes?

Well it seems the The North Devon Public Transport Users' Group (two x clarts) want this to be the case. Not quite sure why you wouldn't serve Eggesford bearing in mind trains stop there to operate the NSTR and level crossing equipment, dont suppose the The North Devon Public Transport Users' Group are overly bothered about little details like that though.

I gather the The North Devon Public Transport Users' Group are a different body altogether to the established North Devon Rail Users Group, the transport users group being a pair of clarts who consider 8% of the traffic can be dumped just to get them between Exeter & Barnstaple about 5 minutes quicker. If the two clarts are disatisified with the train service they can drive up the A377 instead, they wont get to Exeter any quicker....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on March 05, 2012, 16:07:05
Please note that the North Devon Rail Users Group (the long established organisation) was renamed the Tarka Rail Association in 2009, one of the reasons being that it attempts to represent all users of the line, not just those in North Devon.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 05, 2012, 17:06:18
Please note that the North Devon Rail Users Group (the long established organisation) was renamed the Tarka Rail Association in 2009, one of the reasons being that it attempts to represent all users of the line, not just those in North Devon.

After I posted that I had another look at the original article which confirmed the North Devon Rail Users Group is now indeed known as the Tarka Rail Association. There is however a danger that some might think the transport users group is in some way affliliated to the Tarka Rail folk and represents some form of widespread opinion. When a franchise is being relet the last thing you want to have taken seriously is some f***witted proposal to close most of the North Devon line stations.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Milky Bar Kid on March 05, 2012, 21:18:32
all stations on the line have shown increases in foot fall year on year, The line i think will stay as it is but timings and stops will be altered, Crediton needs and should get a TVM. Barnstaple needs re-grading urgently.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 06, 2012, 08:15:27
I'd forgotten that I posted this (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1691.msg11523#msg11523) four years ago. Those names seem awfully familiar...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on March 15, 2012, 14:15:03
Hi

I noticed this update

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/cost-slow-trains/story-15522472-detail/story.html

Guy


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 16, 2012, 13:29:28
Hi

I noticed this update

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/cost-slow-trains/story-15522472-detail/story.html

Guy


Quote from: North Devon Halfwits
The 30 or so daily users (that is from all of them) would still be no more than a bike ride away from a station, considerably nearer than many Barnstaple station users.

I assume these f**kwits do live in Devon and actually know the topography and road layouts round Mid / North Devon? I think its more a case of not very enlightened self interest.....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on March 16, 2012, 15:50:16
Needs coleford junction altering so that trains can run both lines (not amazingly usefull but would be handy if one gets delayed) and a couple of passing points, the aspiration should be the infrastructure to maintain a half hourly service but with lack of units hourly one fast one slow would be good, that gives room for growth and capacity for freight or extra peak services if needed


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 17, 2012, 19:18:44
Needs coleford junction altering so that trains can run both lines (not amazingly usefull but would be handy if one gets delayed) and a couple of passing points, the aspiration should be the infrastructure to maintain a half hourly service but with lack of units hourly one fast one slow would be good, that gives room for growth and capacity for freight or extra peak services if needed
I think Coleford Jn depends on what the current aspirations of the Dartmoor Railway are this week as regards running their long proposed service between Okehampton and Exeter. You would need to alter the signalling system as well as there is nobody to hand the Barnstaple line token to the driver. There hasn't been since 1971 when Coleford Jn box closed and the former double line converted to two parrallel single lines.

There isn't a lot of point in catering for freight, simply because there isn't any and I doubt Tescos have got any plans to serve their new Barnstaple store by rail while other stores in the area are served by road. Lapford loop has gone and I can't see Rose Removals ever sending anything by rail in any case.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 17, 2012, 19:47:08
Quote from: North Devon Halfwits
The 30 or so daily users (that is from all of them) would still be no more than a bike ride away from a station, considerably nearer than many Barnstaple station users.

North Devon Halfwits? Isn't that a bit unnecessary?* Just refer to them as the Barnstaple Station Railway Development Society (BaStaRDS for short), and be done with it.

Oh, and 'The 30 or so daily users (that is from all of them)' figure is just plain wrong (or, knowing Patrick, made up). The actual total for 2009/10 is 31,354. (Data taken from http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1529 (http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1529)); the actual daily total rather depends on whether you divide the total by 365 or (more reasonably, by not counting Sundays and Holidays) 300, which will put it somewhere between 86 and 105.

An alternative way of looking at it is that 31,354 is about 31,351 more than the number of people in the North Devon Public Transport Users Group.


*After all, if I was I a halfwit and you compared me to Patrick Adams I would be utterly mortified.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on March 17, 2012, 20:45:21
Although if you assume that most daily users do a return journey then you get to around 40 to 50, which isn't so far out from their figures, and would imply a very low volume of pax per calling point.

What concerns me is how a couple of people can call themselves a rail user group and get this type of publicity and quite possible influence the debate. Maybe some locals who don't share their view should try and contact the "organisation" and join it. Does is have a constitution, committee members, etc? Who is entitled to join? Who decides?   


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 17, 2012, 22:16:13
Although if you assume that most daily users do a return journey then you get to around 40 to 50, which isn't so far out from their figures

Given that the actual figures are trivially easy to obtain, I wouldn't describe an error that is somewhere between 43% and 75% as 'isn't so far out'.

In any case, I don't really care how small or large the figure is: the problem is that they have plucked it out of nowhere.

What concerns me is how a couple of people can call themselves a rail user group and get this type of publicity and quite possible influence the debate.

cf. the Taxpayers Alliance.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on March 17, 2012, 23:31:19
But given you had asserted that the correct figure was around 100, I was making the point that their figure was closer (in absolute numbers) to the actual answer than yours given you had forgotten to divide by two.

How do you know that they've plucked the figure out of nowhere? They may have done a count on a couple of days, or extrapolated the usage they see on the services they travel on. If so, as we see from the rail regulator's figures, they're in the right ball park that usage spread across the stations is very small.     


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on March 18, 2012, 01:05:53
How do you know that they've plucked the figure out of nowhere?

The phrase 'knowing Patrick' may have been a bit of a clue...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 19, 2012, 13:08:34
An alternative way of looking at it is that 31,354 is about 31,351 more than the number of people in the North Devon Public Transport Users Group.


*After all, if I was I a halfwit and you compared me to Patrick Adams I would be utterly mortified.


Quite. Three extra people driving cars from Barnstaple to Tiverton Parkway won't cause Gridlock on the A361 or upset the macro-economics of the Barnstaple line so to be quite honest let the North Devon Public Transport Users Group (sic) drive their cars to Tiverton Parkway. And leave the Barnstaple line to its own devices. If they get their act together they can all fit in one car but I doubt they are intelligent enough to do that. Bit of a shame the 1A74 doesn't actually stop at Parkway to pick them up and get them to London for 09:00 or so but there you go....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on March 22, 2012, 18:30:14
After buying a book on the Exeter to Barnstaple Line from Middleton Press most of the line was double track from Exeter to Copplestone.

Yeoford had a three platforms and the other remaining station to Barnstaple had a 2 platforms.

I guess with a more frequent service on the line you will have to re-instate a second platform at Chapelton ? and Yeoford reading to re-instate the service to Okehampton .

Guy




Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 23, 2012, 21:03:19
I guess with a more frequent service on the line you will have to re-instate a second platform at Chapelton ?

I don't think realistically bearing in mind the increase in staff and units you'd need to increase the service that Barnstaple realistically can support trains on a more frequent basis than hourly.

It might be worth reinstating an early fast limited stop train at about 05:45 from Barnstaple to connect into 1A74 at Exeter (arrive Padd at 09:01). That might get a few cars off the A361. Only thing being I doubt you'd get that many passengers on the outward working at about 04:30 off Exeter though.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 02, 2012, 23:12:29
Perhaps rather belatedly, the North Devon Journal (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/NDJ-COMMENT-station-far-line/story-15654966-detail/story.html) have picked up the story:

Quote
NDJ COMMENT: A station too far on line?

Heresy though it might be for people to say it, but might local rail watchdogs have a point when they say trains on the Tarka line currently stop at too many stations. No one, least of all the Journal, likes to think of our precious public transport links being cut back further, but when the North Devon Public Transport Users group points out the relative lack of use at some of the more minor stations, it does give food for thought.

The upside of any rationalisation of services would be faster trains to Exeter and thus quicker links with the rest of the country, so the proposal has merit from that perspective.

It's a topic which needs some serious debate and consideration as the issue of rail franchise renewal looms large. Never did the mantra 'use it or lose it', ring so true.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on April 03, 2012, 09:47:55
The Station usage figures for April 2010 to March 2011 (posted on this site) show an increase for every Tarka Line station.

Evidently people are using these stations, so why should they lose them?

Two ideas for speeding up the journey:

a) a signal box at Eggesford, or upgrade Crediton box with CCTV. Precious minutes are lost with present arrangements

b) close Salmon Pool level crossing, which restricts speed on a fast part of the line


 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: ellendune on April 03, 2012, 19:59:33
A further contribution from the North Devon Journal http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/story-15703728-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/story-15703728-detail/story.html)

Quote
THE rail users group which sparked a storm of controversy by suggesting station closures on the Tarka Line has further explained its reasons for the proposal.

The North Devon Public Transport Users (NDPTU) group says the line needs to be "dragged into the 21st century".

John Gulliver from the group, it would benefit wider North Devon if the service to Exeter was faster.

The group believes that if several smaller stations, such as Morchard Road and Copplestone were closed, journey times from Barnstaple to Exeter could be reduced to 45 minutes.

Mr Gulliver said figures show many of the smaller stations barely have one or two passengers using each train which passes through them.

He said the vast majority of Tarka Line users alight the train at Barnstaple.

Figures showing passenger numbers from 2009-10 confirm the NDPTU's beliefs, and show 73.5 per cent of passengers on the service get on at Barnstaple. This equates to 302,998 passengers a year.

In comparison just 162 people used the train station at Chapelton in the same year, and 8,164 used Copplestone ^ with just two passengers per train using the Copplestone stop.

Mr Gulliver said: "We've got to drag this line into the 21st Century. We're trapped in a Victorian system which uses stations which date back 160 years.

"The sensible thing to do is to concentrate on what rail does best ^ moving people in large numbers quickly between major centres. The way it is running at the moment it is an expensive way to serve rural haunts."

Those who use the line to access smaller stations were outraged by the claims and launched a counter-campaign.

The Steve Tucker All Star Jazz Band, which organises a 'Jazz Train', was among those opposing closures.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on April 03, 2012, 22:00:49
I think if you provide better service to these stations people will use it

Maybe if someone look at Community Freight idea , the line can be upgraded


Guy


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 06, 2012, 17:49:08
I think if you provide better service to these stations people will use it

Maybe if someone look at Community Freight idea , the line can be upgraded


Guy

What freight? There isn't any freight. Hasnt been since 1991 when the UKF stopped running to Lapford. It doesn't follow that in an area with virtually no heavy industry that if you upgrade a line to carry freight people will put freight on it. The siding at Barnstaple is still extant but the new Tescos blocks access to it. Can't see Tescos doing rail deliveries to one store (two if you count the one at Crediton) in an area where the stores are otherwise exclusively served by road transport.

I think you can discount freight....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 06, 2012, 19:35:32
I think if you provide better service to these stations people will use it.
The problem is that they won't. I think you've been watching 'The Titfield Thunderbolt' too many times. The various incarnations of Turners 377 Chulmeigh - Exeter bus which has been running since 2000 has made steady inroads into the local traffic South of Eggesford. It has to be said that the buses have grown the overall Market for public transport to include those to whom the train wasn't really an option due to the distance / location of the stations relative to the villages.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 06, 2012, 22:51:36
The more I think about it the more I agree.... However I do not agree with closing them totally and I DO NOT agree with missing copplestone that is a station which could gain usage


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on April 07, 2012, 09:33:12
Maybe I have watched The Titfield Thunderbolt and the Field of dream to much. But with the cost of petrol going up and the various bus companies will only keep the routes going so long.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 07, 2012, 09:37:09
Some people just won't travel... Free bus pass or a third off rail, no car with bus stop outside the house but 2 mile walk to the station


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: FlyingDutchman on April 07, 2012, 13:27:03
I am suprised the Devon & Cornwall Railcard or the Group Saver Tickets is not advertised more to get people on the line.

I think there is a new evening ticket.



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on April 07, 2012, 15:51:01
I think if you provide better service to these stations people will use it.
The problem is that they won't. I think you've been watching 'The Titfield Thunderbolt' too many times. The various incarnations of Turners 377 Chulmeigh - Exeter bus which has been running since 2000 has made steady inroads into the local traffic South of Eggesford. It has to be said that the buses have grown the overall Market for public transport to include those to whom the train wasn't really an option due to the distance / location of the stations relative to the villages.

The evidence is that rail passenger numbers south of Eggesford have seen pretty much year-on-year increases since 2000.

Going by the latest available figures, all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers, including Crediton and Newton St Cyres which both face extremely tough competition in the form of regular double decker bus services.

My feeling is that the 377 service may be a bit of a red herring, and I've seen quite a few pass me with barely a soul on board.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on April 08, 2012, 21:49:28
You have to realise that the 377 bus service (and many of the others) does not run in the evening or on Sundays, whereas the Tarka Line rail service is a seven day a week service running until at least 9 to 10pm (later on a Friday!).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 12, 2012, 19:26:24
You have to realise that the 377 bus service (and many of the others) does not run in the evening or on Sundays, whereas the Tarka Line rail service is a seven day a week service running until at least 9 to 10pm (later on a Friday!).
I know that, they stop trains at Lapford on Sundays as for some reason people sometimes catch trains there when the Turners 377 isn't running..


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 12, 2012, 19:41:24
Maybe I have watched The Titfield Thunderbolt and the Field of dream to much. But with the cost of petrol going up and the various bus companies will only keep the routes going so long.
Some people just won't travel... Free bus pass or a third off rail, no car with bus stop outside the house but 2 mile walk to the station
The County Council were at one time underwriting part of the Turners 377 route on the basis that Devon Villages are increasingly becoming places for people to retire to. And some of the retirees physically arent capable of getting from the villages to the stations. The over 60's get free travel on the bus but not on the train (unlike Northern Ireland). However the renumeration the bus operators recieve in terms of grant, fuel duty rebate and in respect of the over 60's bus pass determine whether the bus services are viable or not. I don't think its a simple as costs V's farebox revenue.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 24, 2012, 22:16:57
From the Mid Devon Gazette (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Don-t-close-stations-MP-tells-department/story-15900119-detail/story.html):

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'Don't close stations' MP tells department

Passengers fighting to prevent station closures on the Tarka Line say their campaign is gathering momentum.

The Exeter to Barnstaple line runs through a large part of Central Devon MP Mel Stride's constituency and he has promised to do what he can to keep stations open to allow communities as great an access to public transport as possible.

Mr Stride has submitted proposals to the Department for Transport as it considers which rail company will run the Greater Western Franchise from next April.

Other submissions have gone in from communities, including one from the Tarka Rail Association.

The closures have been suggested by the North Devon Rail Users' Group in its submission to the franchise consultation.

Now Mr Stride's submission to the department argues against that. Some residents fear their station may be at risk of closure if it is poorly used as there is pressure to speed up journey times between Exeter and Barnstaple by reducing the number of stops.

"There is considerable support for keeping all stations open on this line," said Mr Stride. "I have written to the department underlining this and I hope it takes this into account when awarding the new franchise. It is very important we provide as much opportunity as possible for people to use the community rail network."


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The Grecian on April 25, 2012, 23:58:02
I am quite impressed at the way 3 or so people is now considered 'pressure'.

As far as it goes anyway, it'd be pointless closing any stations between Crediton and Eggesford, given that trains have to cross there in order to run an hourly service and the speed limits in place on the line. Given that the wait at Eggesford can be leisurely due to the safety procedures involved, I can't see that closing a few stations so people can sit at one further along the line will help.

Newton St Cyres had a fair few people using it the other Saturday evening - presumably either heading into Exeter for a night out or back from the Beer Engine. Either way serving it when the buses won't seems to make sense.

You could possibly argue that Portsmouth Arms and Chapelton wouldn't be badly missed - but since barely any trains stop there and they're request stops so trains don't necessarily stop anyway, it would barely make any difference to the timetable. They may well be used in the peaks anyway, I'll admit I haven't been along the line then. So any closure of stations might save one or two minutes on the journey. Doesn't exactly seem worthwhile.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 26, 2012, 20:27:52
From the North Devon Gazette (http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/man_left_stranded_after_falling_asleep_on_train_1_1360435):

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After falling asleep on a late-night train, a Barnstaple man ended up walking 20-miles through the night to get home.

(http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/polopoly_fs/ndg_geoff_berry_trains_4_1_1360434!image/2378926903.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_225/2378926903.jpg)
Geoff Berry wrote a heated letter to First Great Western explaining what he had been through.

A MAN had to walk five hours through the night after falling asleep on the train and ending up in the middle of nowhere.

Geoff Berry was due to arrive at Barnstaple around midnight on the train from Exeter, but he dozed off and was startled when he woke up to find himself travelling in the opposite direction.

Mr Berry, from Barnstaple, had visited friends in Reading for the day on April 6 and had been exhausted after a 7am start.

He said: ^I woke up around 12.20am, and realising that we were moving and there was no one else on the train, I went and found the guard.

^I said to him I had meant to get off in Barnstaple but had fallen asleep. He told me I would have to go back to Exeter and get a taxi home.

^I was furious. I asked him who exactly was going to pay for this taxi, and after a rather heated debate, he agreed to let me off at Eggesford.^

Stranded around 20 miles from home in the dead of the night, the 52-year-old had no one to call, and started the long walk home, hoping to be able to hitch a lift.

But, cold and angry, he trekked for five hours not seeing another soul and arrived home at around 6am.

^It took me all weekend to recover,^ he said. ^I was angry that the guard had not checked the train for passengers before starting the journey back to Exeter.

^The guard told me he had announced twice over the tannoy that we had arrived, but I didn^t think that a good enough response. There were only two carriages on the train. It would not have taken much to check them.^

Mr Berry wrote to First Great Western, which runs the Tarka Line service from Exeter to Barnstaple, complaining about his experience.

In a reply, the company said it was ^genuinely sorry that you feel so let down^ but it would not be offering any compensation.

The letter read: ^If the train is due to return to the depot after its last journey, then there is an obligation on our crew to proactively check the train for passengers, before it leaves.

^However, this is a moot point in the circumstances in question, as when our 22:52 train left Barnstaple, it was still operating as a public service (not returning to the depot).

^Ultimately the final onus of responsibility remains on each customer in ensuring they leave the train in time.^

In response, Mr Berry said: ^I had not realised it was still a passenger train, I had thought it was just travelling back to the depot.

^Even so, there are only two carriages, and I don^t think it would have taken much for them to check before they set off.^


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 26, 2012, 20:39:48
Well I'm sure we have all nearly done that at least once.  I have experience of being overcarried at least twice after consuming a few and made my own way back without ever complaining (I would be too embarrassed anyway to call anybody :P)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 26, 2012, 22:18:37
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/relex109/5028090918/)
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4145/5028090918_34969fb36a.jpg)

Press button, hello first great western can i help .... oh hello please could you help me ive become stranded at your station and am unable to get phone signal please could you call me a taxi, yes ok sir not a problem


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on April 27, 2012, 02:07:43
Oh, so it's FGW's fault that he fell asleep on the train then? This country is getting more like America every day where by people just cannot accept responsibility for their own actions!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: old original on April 27, 2012, 07:05:19
I'm not supporting the passenger but...... if the guard had done a ticket check leaving barnstaple.........


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: dog box on April 27, 2012, 09:09:14
I'm not supporting the passenger but...... if the guard had done a ticket check leaving barnstaple.........
now your just assuming....


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on April 27, 2012, 09:28:11
One of the complaints about Oxford operations is that terminating trains take too long to clear the platform and disappear into the sidings. The reason told to me is that staff have to patrol the train from end to end to ensure that every traveller has left the train. I would have thought that the same rule should have applied at Barnstable before the train reversed to go back to Exeter. Something doesn't sound quite right.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bobm on April 27, 2012, 09:53:15
It is not the same thing though.  At Oxford they are going to a non-public area - eg the sidings.  In this case the train was running in service to Exeter St Davids.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: WelshBluebird on April 27, 2012, 11:02:48
yes he was an idiot for falling asleep, but why on earth did the guard not check?
Just seems totally stupid. Especially when you consider that the train would have been 4 carriages at most, likely less (so would only take a couple of minutes - if that).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on April 27, 2012, 11:06:13
In theory the guard should not have let this man off at Eggesford as it is not an advertised stop on this service. The train only stops there for token exchange. My personal opinion on this is that if you've had a long day and feel you may fall asleep, set an alarm on your phone for 5 minutes before arrival time, or perhaps ask the guard to check you get off on arrival, not just assume it's everyones' responsibility but your own.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2012, 12:08:51
I've fallen asleep on a couple of occasions and been over-carried. Didn't blame anyone but myself.



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on April 27, 2012, 13:40:56
chances are the guard didn't do a ticket check from Barny because he/she didn't see anyone get on the train. This service which runs fridays only used to run ECS from Barny back to Exeter but now runs as a service non stop Barny-Exeter.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 27, 2012, 16:37:38
OK maybe it was slightly lax that no-one noticed the guy asleep on the train before departing Barnstaple, but honestly whatever happened to personal responsibility? When I do something idiotic my first instinct isn't to blame someone else then go running to the gutter press with some kind of sob story. If you think you might fall asleep on a train and miss your stop, you do something about it! Would be still be blaming FGW had the circumstances been slightly different and he'd been overcarried past somewhere that wasn't a terminus?

Frankly it sounds like he only has himself to blame for the 20-mile walk home as well: surely getting off at some remote station, 20 miles from home in the dead of night with no onward transport is cretinous when he could have travelled back to Exeter and arranged some sort of accommodation or transport home from there instead?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 27, 2012, 16:40:11
If it is an empty stock move why would tickets bet checked?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 27, 2012, 17:30:28
Read the article and comments above relex: it's not ECS. And if it was the guard would have been obliged to do a thorough check to make sure there was no-one left on-board.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on April 27, 2012, 22:48:46
I think I would have slept in whatever shelter there was, safe in the knowledge that if anyone cared, they would have told the police. They in turn would have been informed of the note saying "Help, I missed my train" attached to whatever I could drag across the road.
Much more likely, I would have gone home the first train next morning, or much, much more likely would have not fallen asleep on the way, even though I have done it before.
Whatever, it's my fault, and I would not have told the papers.
I've done a lot of things I wasn't proud of, but never told the papers about them, in case I looked like a pillock who was trying to blame someone else for his own shortcomings. That doesn't mean I think that is what happened here, although I will have to wait for the full public inquiry to be certain.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacmanfan on April 29, 2012, 12:52:41
I fell asleep and my phone alarm didn't go off so I was late for work.. do I now sue my phone manufacturer?

He fell asleep and missed his stop.  Big deal. Take responsibility for your actions..


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: The SprinterMeister on April 29, 2012, 20:18:26
I fell asleep and my phone alarm didn't go off so I was late for work.. do I now sue my phone manufacturer?

He fell asleep and missed his stop.  Big deal. Take responsibility for your actions..
Quite.

I can stand 25 minutes waiting for the town bus on a 10 minute interval service. Can I sue Stodgecoach if I get wet waiting at the bus stop? No.

If you overdoss on a passenger train and end up where you shouldn't thats tough luck.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: WelshBluebird on May 05, 2012, 01:18:05
chances are the guard didn't do a ticket check from Barny because he/she didn't see anyone get on the train.

Well he clearly didn't look very well!!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Ollie on May 05, 2012, 01:21:17
chances are the guard didn't do a ticket check from Barny because he/she didn't see anyone get on the train.

Well he clearly didn't look very well!!
How so? The customer in question didn't join the train at Barnstaple, they were however meant to get off! In fact this is the whole point of the topic...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Bristolboy on May 07, 2012, 10:30:18
In theory the guard should not have let this man off at Eggesford as it is not an advertised stop on this service. The train only stops there for token exchange. My personal opinion on this is that if you've had a long day and feel you may fall asleep, set an alarm on your phone for 5 minutes before arrival time, or perhaps ask the guard to check you get off on arrival, not just assume it's everyones' responsibility but your own.

The new national rail app for android and iPhone does this (or so they claim).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on May 07, 2012, 19:11:13
I have overslept before by an hour and a half, and although it was my fault the train operators in question allowed me to travel back to where I meant to get off for no charge, which was great credit to them.

I believe it is this mans responsibility but it does raise the question of why none of the other passenger tried to wake him knowing that Barnstaple is the terminus.

I think in the same situation I would have gone back to Exeter St Ds and sought ought accomodation or waited for the first train on the platforms.

But stories like this don't indicate a helpful attitude of the railway, so for example if he had woken up as the train was leaving Barnstaple, would it have been okay for the guard to go back or stop at Chapelton?

Or if he had gone back to Exeter would both his return to Exeter and his travel the next day to Barnstaple been free?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: thetrout on May 08, 2012, 03:55:35
I believe it is this mans responsibility but it does raise the question of why none of the other passenger tried to wake him knowing that Barnstaple is the terminus.

I can think of a few reasons:

1) The other passengers simply were not aware that he was still there

2) No annoucements were made for final stop (We don't know whether they were or weren't - That train could go onto Okehampton - although I think that's Summer only?! *Paging Relex109* ;)

3) The Pax thought it would be funny to leave him there... I know my Grandfather used to do it to his work colleagues when they meant to get off at Brighton London Road and they let 1 poor sod fall asleep and wake up at Brighton Terminus...! (And before anyone asks, yes they did do it to him too!)

4) Possibly the most crucial point here: When waking someone up you don't know, you have no idea how they are going to react... You could potentially find yourself in a rather unpleasant situation.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: molinnis on May 08, 2012, 08:21:07
2) No annoucements were made for final stop (We don't know whether they were or weren't - That train could go onto Okehampton - although I think that's Summer only?! *Paging Relex109* ;)

The train definatly wouldnt have gone on to Okehampton from Barnstable.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on May 08, 2012, 08:40:26
The train definatly wouldnt have gone on to Okehampton from Barnstable.

Not least because Barnstable doesn't have a railway station...
(https://www.google.co.uk/maps/vt/data=Ay5GWBeob_WIPLDYoIWcfVXxvZu9XwJ55OX7Ag,d5wgB-myqRos6iEvbLM2B5R14lPz-8-wekfPxSe_MpmlAhkxvq-dhclB1Blu8x-BDnP5ZjKH162-DkwxZDjI4pGlNXaME8jipbzBFGw6-s2hHd3Na_g92Kx3HdRDM9HqsF7oQYgaup6PQ2ViYwEFfX1lUbIcB33kksdYYhUHvQQBu73r)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: johoare on May 08, 2012, 19:32:52
I know a couple of people who regularly miss their stops.. One ends up in Brighton quite regularly when going from Victoria to change at Clapham Junction (no matter how many times he's told to stand up for those five minutes  ::))..

The other was overheard booking a taxi to pick him up from his station for when he got there and so the kind person that overheard it actually woke him up when they got there..


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: grahame on May 09, 2012, 08:05:55
I know a couple of people who regularly miss their stops.. One ends up in Brighton quite regularly when going from Victoria to change at Clapham Junction (no matter how many times he's told to stand up for those five minutes)

Have you ever thought that he might have a friend he visits in Brighton  ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on May 09, 2012, 10:35:23
Our Government has just splashed ^335,000 of taxpayer's money on a sculpture to 'welcome' the Olympics to Weymouth.

Approximately - in my opinion - the amount of money needed to solve the capacity issues on the Tarka Line without having to close a single station.

Oh, and ^89,000,000 on a nice new relief road to the seaside, ready for the hordes of sailing enthusiasts :-\

Still, it's a lovely sculpture...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: rogerpatenall on May 09, 2012, 12:24:17
It does, however, beat Barnstaple in one respect, by having the closest thing to a "hub" airport on Cape Cod:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstable_Municipal_Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstable_Municipal_Airport)

Actually, this raises a mildly interesting point (depending on your point of view, of course): as far as I'm aware, Cape Cod hasn't been served by Amtrak for many, many years*, and yet you can see Cape Cod flip over as one of the destinations on the Solari indicator at 30th Street Station when it updates.

Two comments - the airport at Nantucket is possibly the nicest small airport I know of anywhere in the world and has a hugely sophisticated ILS possibly reflecting the 'importance' of the users! And when the 'Cape Codder' ran on Friday evenings (from NYC as you say), I suspect that the connection into it was shown on the Philadelphia board.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on May 09, 2012, 16:49:40
My brother was heading home to Blackpool from a football match. The train had a 15 minute stop at Preston, and we've all felt the hypnotic effect of the heat, a couple of drinks, and the throb of the engine. He woke to someone banging the window, and shouting "Blackpool North!".He said that was where he was going, then noticed that was where he was. He got out of the door as it started closing. Near miss!
A nearer miss was the man I saw fall asleep from a standing position on the same platform at Preston many years ago. It was only 10am, but I think he had come a long way, and was well "refreshed". His head and shoulders were overhanging the platform edge until we pulled him back, as the train arrived. Another foot, he would have been on the track.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: johoare on May 09, 2012, 17:21:00
I know a couple of people who regularly miss their stops.. One ends up in Brighton quite regularly when going from Victoria to change at Clapham Junction (no matter how many times he's told to stand up for those five minutes)

Have you ever thought that he might have a friend he visits in Brighton  ;)

I think he needs one!! But no he's slept in Brighton station before (apart from the hour or so when it's closed).. The last time was a Friday night and apparently the pub near the station is open till 2 or 3am so he stayed there and then the first train back is only an hour or so after that... Also he doesn't exclusively go there.. Other places he's ended up in are Chichester, Upper Warlingham, Oxted and obviously various places on his actual train line on the occasions he manages to actually change trains at Clapham junction...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on May 14, 2012, 17:41:31
i missed my station on saturday .... ended up in pinhoe lol its easy done when tired, you know who i blame? ..... you lot as i was reading replies until quite late the night before :-p


and back to the okehampton line ... you would be surprised how many people have ended up there by mistake on a sunday thinking they had hopped on the barnstaple service :-p


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: inspector_blakey on May 15, 2012, 04:32:53
Random thought...

"Pinhoe" is an anagram of "iPhone"

Must be overtired, it's bedtime.  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: alanr888 on May 28, 2012, 16:54:46
It would be pointless closing any stations between Crediton and Eggesford, given that trains have to cross there in order to run an hourly service.

That was my view too until I looked at the figures. It is possible
to run EGG/CDI in 18 minutes whilst only another 8 minutes are
needed to reach the main line from CDI.

Thus there is a potential to omit all stops between EGG and EXD
apart from CDI and to retain an hourly service without needing to
pass at Crediton. In an editorial the North Devon Journal gave
support to the idea of alternate slow and semi-fast trains. This
provides a service every two hours to the halts - a frequency
that is now regarded as acceptable for rural 'bus routes.

In my submission to the DfT in March, I set out a specimen
timetable that could achieve this slow/semi-fast pattern. It
also provided:

a) Service to Okehampton (Park and Ride at Oke East)
b) Two hourly service between Barnstaple and Axminster
c) No impact on Exmouth services
d) No MAJOR infrastructure upgrades

Copies of this can be requested by e-mail (alanr555@waitrose.com)

The situation North of Eggesford is different. It is possible to
run EGG/BNP in 23 minutes stopping only at Umberleigh. With
request stops included a round trip EGG/BNP/EGG should be
always achievable within an hour.

One way to improve service to the halts is to permit reverse
direction travel (eg to/from EXD via EGG).

Of course, the real need is for upgrades of the infrastructure
and the automation of "possession" of single track sections
but we CAN have faster connections BNP/EXD before such
investment is made. For example the current 07.00 from BNP
could leave at 07.13 and arrive at EXD at the same time.

Let us look at the objective (fast connections at key times)
rather than getting sucked in to a "closure" debate. We CAN
have the faster connections AND provide rural connectivity.

Alan - EX39 2BA


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on May 29, 2012, 12:19:56
In an editorial the North Devon Journal

That bunch of idiots? Sheesh...

... gave support to the idea of alternate slow and semi-fast trains. This provides a service every two hours to the halts - a frequency that is now regarded as acceptable for rural 'bus routes.

And at at a stroke killing the best feature of the current daytime service - the hourly clockface pattern. Bonkers. Utterly bonkers.  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on May 29, 2012, 16:32:39
Would An early peak train that doesn't stop apart from egglesford and crediton as an additional service possibly running threw to Waterloo and connecting with an early paddington service at Exeter help?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Btline on May 29, 2012, 17:13:14
Having some trains not stopping everywhere seems perfectly sensible to me. I doubt all those village stations require an hourly service, but I'm sure the key stations would do well to have a much faster trip.

Are any of the stops close together? In such instances you could axe one and improve parking the other to improve journey times and bring costs down.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: noddingdonkey on May 29, 2012, 17:59:23
Great idea! Close stations and improve parking in others. Where does the land come from? Eggesford would be the most sensible station for a park and ride as all trains stop there but the land was all sold off and the big empty yard that could have done the job is private property.
Morchard Rd and Copplestone are close together but are two of the better used stations and there is no change of Morchard Road being closed because of the local rail user group having representation there (and quite rightly!)
Lapford has a shocking service for what is one of the biggest villages on the route. Yeoford needs its service as public transport struggles to get down there bus wise.
Portsmouth Arms and Chapelton really do get little use but what's the point of closing them? They aren't harming anybody!
Leave the stations alone I would say and although those from Barnstaple would tell you they are a massive majority of those who use the line the first train in from Barny in the morning and the 16.57 off Exeter St david's is only between sixty and seventy percent made up of citizens of the north Devon metropolis.
I think in general the service on the Barny line is pretty good nowadays and isn't going to get much better without considerable investment in infrastructure and rolling stock. Sure you can tinker a bit and take a stop out here and put one in there but until signalling at Eggesford and Crediton is changed and Salmon Pool crossing is removed timing is never going to be massively cut short.
I'd rather concentrate on getting rid of 143s on jointed track...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 05, 2012, 16:43:47
Ha! http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Outcry-Tarka-line-closures-idea/story-16282992-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Outcry-Tarka-line-closures-idea/story-16282992-detail/story.html)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 05, 2012, 16:48:05
And an almost identical version: http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/hundreds_support_tarka_line_stations_1_1398510 (http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/hundreds_support_tarka_line_stations_1_1398510)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 10, 2012, 19:22:22
I think if you provide better service to these stations people will use it.
The problem is that they won't. I think you've been watching 'The Titfield Thunderbolt' too many times. The various incarnations of Turners 377 Chulmeigh - Exeter bus which has been running since 2000 has made steady inroads into the local traffic South of Eggesford. It has to be said that the buses have grown the overall Market for public transport to include those to whom the train wasn't really an option due to the distance / location of the stations relative to the villages.

The evidence is that rail passenger numbers south of Eggesford have seen pretty much year-on-year increases since 2000.

Going by the latest available figures, all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers, including Crediton and Newton St Cyres which both face extremely tough competition in the form of regular double decker bus services.


Not true, Chapelton, King Nympton and Portsmouth Arms have all had declining growth.
And for Newton St Cryres surely the bus is better, nearer the village especially considering it accounts for 0.59% of passengers on the Tarka line.

Barnstaple, Umberleigh, Eggesford and Crediton account for an astonishing 91.93% of traffic. Though it is worth noting that these stations have a clockface hourly service.

I also fail to see how closing the stations will save journey time but missing them out should save some time, with the trains stopping only when demand will be high so for Portsmouth Arms, and Kings Nympton Saturdays on the 10 o'clockish from Exeter and a return leaving between 16:00 and 17:00.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 10, 2012, 20:38:50
Going by the latest available figures, all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers

Not true, Chapelton, King Nympton and Portsmouth Arms have all had declining growth.

Just so you know: North is generally at the top, and South at the bottom.  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 10, 2012, 21:51:15
If crediton was altered so that only a couple of services called and even then were request stops I have a suspicion that passenger numbers may decline  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 11, 2012, 11:45:22
Have you ever heard the term "If it aint broke, don't fix it?" well that is applicable on the Barny line, there is nothing wrong with the current service level, what needs addressing in general is the capacity issues as 143's are just not up to the job, by the 143's being sent to Devon FGW have actually reduced capacity by quite a large margin but this seems to have gone un noticed as they still have "2 carriages", most of the trains in Devon that are rammed as a 143 would actually be alright if they were a 150 or 2x153 instead.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 11, 2012, 22:19:59
Going by the latest available figures, all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers

Not true, Chapelton, King Nympton and Portsmouth Arms have all had declining growth.

Just so you know: North is generally at the top, and South at the bottom.  ::)

sorry i meant Lapford, not Portsmouth Arms. :)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on June 12, 2012, 09:46:41
Going by the latest available figures, all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers

Not true, Chapelton, King Nympton and Portsmouth Arms have all had declining growth.

Just so you know: North is generally at the top, and South at the bottom.  ::)

sorry i meant Lapford, not Portsmouth Arms. :)
Lapford is also south of Eggesford. All the stations you mention are north of Eggesford!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 13, 2012, 10:01:32
Lapford is south of Eggesford.
Lapford has also had a declining amount of passengers.

Thus rendering the statement 'all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers' a lie.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 13, 2012, 11:38:36
Urghhhh a silly mistake not a lie, lay off him you have corrected him there was no need to publicly embarrass him


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 13, 2012, 11:40:37
Lapford is south of Eggesford.
Lapford has also had a declining amount of passengers.

Thus rendering the statement 'all the stations south of Eggesford have seen an increase in passenger numbers' a lie.

The latest available figures for Lapford (taken from http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/xls/station_usage_1011.xls (http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/xls/station_usage_1011.xls)) are 2,374 (Entries and Exits for 2010/11), compared with 1,878 (2009/2010), which is an increase of 26%. I would suggest you quit while you're behind.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 13, 2012, 18:11:07
2002/03      4,912
2004/05    2,104
2005/06    1,658
2006/07    2,208
2007/08    1,967
2008/09    2,058
2009/10    1,878

These are the figures from wikipedia for station use at Lapford, which I accept may well be wrong but I personally find it difficult to find other figures for national rail stations and I therefore use.

If you can find better sourced figure that show a longer range of data, i.e. more years, and/or is from a better source and disproves this trend I will happily accept Lapford has ad growth.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: noddingdonkey on June 13, 2012, 19:04:05
He's given you the official source for station figures in the post above yours!




Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: inspector_blakey on June 13, 2012, 20:43:11
Let's try and keep things civilized shall we, folks? The allegation of lying above was utterly uncalled for and unnecessarily hostile in the circumstances.

These are the figures from wikipedia for station use at Lapford, which I accept may well be wrong but I personally find it difficult to find other figures for national rail stations and I therefore use.

If you can find better sourced figure that show a longer range of data, i.e. more years, and/or is from a better source and disproves this trend I will happily accept Lapford has ad growth.

Your figures end in 2009/10. If you took the time to read what was posted above, you'd note that the 2009/10 figure from Wikipedia agrees with TJ's figure from the ORR data, at 1,878. However the official ORR data also includes a figure for 2010/11 of 2,374.

He's given you the official source for station figures in the post above yours!

::) What he said...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: gaf71 on June 13, 2012, 22:01:58
Wikipedia.....the place where anyone can post anything they like.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on June 13, 2012, 22:44:56
They were correct, just nobody had bothered updating them since the latest figures were published.

Going back to the start of the recent discussion, the phrase "declining growth" was used. That would mean that passenger numbers are increasing, but not as quickly as in previous years. (eg +10%, +6%, +3%). I suspect the poster meant "falling passenger numbers". 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 14, 2012, 02:23:50
They were correct, just nobody had bothered updating them since the latest figures were published.

Somebody just has  8)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 14, 2012, 02:29:06
These are the figures from wikipedia for station use at Lapford, which I accept may well be wrong but I personally find it difficult to find other figures for national rail stations and I therefore use.

You apparently "find it difficult" to follow the link roughly 300 pixels below the numbers you quoted. Sheesh!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 14, 2012, 07:55:13
He's given you the official source for station figures in the post above yours!




For two years, which is good because It's obviously true, unlike the wikipedia ones which as you've all kindly pointed out can be altered by anyone and everyone.

However this does not show the long term trend.

I do mean declining. At the start of the most available data for several years I could find the station had 4,912 users, In 2002/03. It last year, in 2010/11 had 2,374 In this period it had 5 years of declining use and 3 of increasing. My personal opinion is that this is declining use, although you could argue that 2010/11 is very much an exception to the trend and if you discount 2002/03 growth has flatlined rather than declined.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on June 14, 2012, 09:09:33
If one looks at the context instead of just the bare figures for Lapford, the slight variation in relatively small footfall figures over the years may be understandable.

The station only has 4/5 services a day out of 14 each way serving the line, which are early morning and in the evening.(check out timetable 34 on the FGW website)

The access to the station is extremely dangerous for pedestrians and virtually impossible by car.

The village itself is around a kilometre away, with the walking route crossing a busy road with no footpath

The local bus company provides 11 services a day to and from Exeter (until late afternoon), though none northwards towards Barnstaple.

Main usage is by passengers commuting to and from Exeter, and the figures year on year are likely to by affected by job losses in the current financial climate, and the variable number of college students starting/finishing courses.

Differences in footfall between years amount to only 3-4 passengers per week except for the last set of figures where the increase is an average of 9 passengers per week.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 14, 2012, 10:22:23
The station only has 4/5 services a day out of 14 each way serving the line, which are early morning and in the evening.(check out timetable 34 on the FGW website)

I've been trying to dig out a pre-2004 timetable (ie before Wessex introduced their first Devon Metro timetable), but can't find one - I think it was six or seven trains in each direction called at Lapford.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: noddingdonkey on June 14, 2012, 12:14:41
It is a pretty poor service for what is one of the biggest villages on the route. It's true that access to the station is not what it could be and that the walk along the main road and up the hill to the village is 'interesting' in the least. There is, however vehicular access to the station, as well as parking, despite the owner of the station house making it clear he doesn't welcome rail travellers with open arms.
I've always thought that more should be done with lapford. A large number of the villagers work in Exeter and drive in everyday (one per car mostly) Surely a better service and better promotion could get some of those cars off the road. It's never going to have the traffic of Exeter St David's but Lapford should attract at least as many as Morchard Road or Copplestone.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Feckham on June 14, 2012, 12:32:41
The station only has 4/5 services a day out of 14 each way serving the line, which are early morning and in the evening.(check out timetable 34 on the FGW website)

I've been trying to dig out a pre-2004 timetable (ie before Wessex introduced their first Devon Metro timetable), but can't find one - I think it was six or seven trains in each direction called at Lapford.

Hi

The following may assist for 2001-2002

http://www.nd1.co.uk/northdevon/trains_winter1.htm#Barnmonfri (http://www.nd1.co.uk/northdevon/trains_winter1.htm#Barnmonfri)

Fecks


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Southern Stag on June 14, 2012, 19:45:54
Winter 2003 TT I have just found out:
Lapford to Exeter at 0743, 0934, 1049, 1257, 1353, 1450, 1640, 1851, 1959, 2120 and 2217.
Lapford to Barnstaple at 0629, 0729, 0920, 1127, 1242, 1332, 1522, 1720, 1835, 1945 and 2105.

All stopped on request only but that was the complete service on the Barnstaple branch at the time. All train called at Lapford. Copplestone at that time only had 5 trains a day, and now it has all trains calling. Only 3 trains skipped Chapleton back then as well, now only 3 a day stop.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on June 14, 2012, 21:02:24
So even when all 11 trains called at Lapford, the number of return trips per week was only 47, so 8 per day (excluding Sundays), i.e. less than 1 per train.

Given the number of journeys on the branch has soared from 300,000 to over 500,000 in 4 years (source Tarkarail.org) then I suggest the current timetable seems to be reasonably effective at optimising the inevitable compromise between the needs of the various communities on the line.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bambam on June 14, 2012, 21:38:43
Would stops every couple of hours be a way of solving this. So stopping at Yeoford and Morchard Road in the even hours and Lapford and Copplestone in the odd hours. Or is this a terrible idea?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on June 20, 2012, 13:09:31
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18517190):

Quote
Overcrowding on trains in parts of Devon has been described as "madness".

Passenger Anne Turner said conditions on the Tarka Line trains, which have two carriages between Barnstaple and Exeter, were unacceptable.

The Department for Transport (DfT) said the government funded additional carriages for First Great Western (FGW) to deal with crowding issues.

But FGW said there were no more carriages available to use on the Tarka Line.

'Prefer Delhi trains'

Ms Turner, from Barnstaple, regularly uses the 40-mile (64km) Tarka Line and takes trains in India on backpacking holidays.

She said: "I would say that I would prefer to get the train out of Delhi along through Rajasthan than to try and get on the train when it's packed at Exeter or Barnstaple.

"It just seems madness. I really can't understand why they can't add another carriage to it, especially when they know it's going to be crowded."

Each of the largest carriages used on the line, which carries about 512,000 passengers a year, can seat up to 147 people.

Julian Crow, FGW's regional manager for the West of England, said the service had seen a 157% rise in the last 10 years and a 15% rise in the last year.

He said: "We have seen a huge increase in people using the line.

"We don't want people standing, but the problem is the sheer number of people using the service.

"And there are simply not any more carriages.

"We are very conscious of the numbers. We want to see the use of the network maximised with new stations and rolling stock and we will be doing our utmost to deliver that as soon as we can."

The Tarka Rail Association said more people were using the train because of the rising cost of petrol and an increase in numbers of people living in the area.

A DfT spokesman said: "In February the government funded additional carriages for First Great Western to deal with crowding issues throughout the franchise, including specifically for the Exeter area and it still expects the train company to make best use of their existing carriages.

"Any train company is free to invest in additional carriages to benefit passengers."


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on June 20, 2012, 15:04:09
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18517190
Each of the largest carriages used on the line [...] can seat up to 147 people.

If that was true then they probably wouldn't be overcrowded...  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: eightf48544 on June 20, 2012, 20:20:05
Somebody else confusing carriages, multi units, and trains.

Unfortunately with fixed formation DMUs  you can't just get a spare carriage (s) out he sidings and shove it on the back as and whne required.

It has to be a whole unit and we know there aren't enough to cover all the demand for extra capacity or extra trains.

Picked up a bit in Rail about TFL wanting to order some 3/4 car units for GOB. Another line that should be electrified. Although it will release some 172s.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: phile on June 20, 2012, 20:56:38
DFT are quoted as saying FGW could invest in additional carriages but I thought they would have to come through the DFT anyway.   They are only interested in counting beans and keep on suggesting more units would be available cascaded as result of electrification.  This will probably slip back anyway but the Tarka Line wants them now and not have to wait for several years.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Timmer on June 20, 2012, 21:37:32
I suspect what DFT are referring to is that FGW could hire loco and coach stock releasing DMUs to strengthen services where they are needed. Something that without subsidy they just won't do.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: phile on June 20, 2012, 21:51:36
I don't think the DFT are very happy over FGW owning a few HSTs themselves as it prevents them from playing trains with them at some time.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on June 20, 2012, 22:09:07
The problem is crappy 143's which have been inflicted on Exeter! Like i've said before, if every Barny was a 2 car 150 or 2x153's then (apart from when chiefs are playing) that would suffice! you can almost fit as many pax into a single 153 than you can into one of those pathetic bouncey buses!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: inspector_blakey on June 21, 2012, 05:16:26
Unfortunately with fixed formation DMUs  you can't just get a spare carriage (s) out he sidings and shove it on the back as and whne required.

Let's be realistic and honest though - strengthening a train has never been a matter of yanking the odd spare vehicle out of the sidings and bunging it on the back as required. It's always been a significant pain in the backside operationally, even on a dinky heritage line where you have one person in control and one-train operation (yes, I've been there!).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: eightf48544 on June 21, 2012, 09:14:59
Agreed carriage shunting is a time consuming and expensive business but don't forget that's what Clapham Jn did all day for the Bournemeouth line. As did OOC and all the other large carriage sidings around the country.

But BR was up too Beeching  too profligate with the number of carriages spare at anyone time (see Beeching report many carriages only did one trip a year!), however, now we've gone the other way and don't have enough units to run all the services required.

Working on the maths you actually get better reliabilty not thrashing a unit for 18 hours a day. You only have to look at how the reliabilty of  the Meridians of Hull Trains dropped when they lost their spare unit.

A couple of extra units (over and above maintenace spares) in each service only running up to 3/4 hours a day would improve the reliabilty of the service as well as providing extra capacity and/or trains. 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Milky Bar Kid on June 21, 2012, 16:32:42
It is worth pointing out that most of the 'BUSY' services occur at weekends and during the school holidays, peak flows seem to fairly brisk but not overcrowded. its also worth pointing out that people have a tendency to catch the same train all at once on saturdays instead of an even spread and these specific services are usually the 143's.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: des5564 on June 21, 2012, 20:20:37
Last Thursday the wife had to stand on the 15.27 from exeter st david's to barnstaple as far as eggesford, where I met her. There were several others standing as well,  it was a 143 though!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Milky Bar Kid on June 21, 2012, 21:25:51
Which is the last service for over 90 mins, making the service hourly would ease issues alot but as already stated 143's do not help the slightest.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Btline on July 24, 2012, 17:58:59
Quote
MAJOR improvements are to be made to the Tarka Line between Barnstaple and Exeter following a surge in passenger numbers.
The main rail link from the city to North Devon has seen a 67 per cent increase in passenger numbers in the past five years.
Devon county councillor, Rodney Cann, said the railway had become a victim of its own success and the overcrowded conditions were at times "embarrassing".
Devon County Council wants to upgrade 10.5 miles of the Tarka Line between Barnstaple and Exeter.
Mr Cann said: "The 10.5 mile upgrade will provide a smoother ride and help reduce travel times. The target is one hour and it will go some way towards achieving this."The Tarka Line is a tremendous success."

Link: http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/story-16584301-detail/story.html?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: JayMac on July 24, 2012, 19:43:38
Ssshh.

The three* members of the North Devon Public Transport Users' Group (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=10438.0) will use this news item to further their myopic aims.  ::)


* I say 'three'. They could be into double figures now.  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on July 24, 2012, 20:59:25
Is this just a wish by the council or is there more substance to it?

Also, I can't see that reducing the journey time will help overcrowding - exactly the opposite - unless there is a change/increase in rolling stock or an infrastructure improvement that could result in an increased frequency (which based on the Maritmie Line upgrade would be very expensive).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TerminalJunkie on July 25, 2012, 09:46:37
Is this just a wish by the council or is there more substance to it?

Don't know - there's no mention of it on the DCC website. It does say that they cut 13 million square metres of grass last year, though...


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Milky Bar Kid on July 25, 2012, 23:50:13
Until the diesel cascade starts no improvements are planned, there is simply nothing around to strengthen the services


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on August 12, 2012, 09:49:47
Out of interest, the tarka line association website (tarkarail.org) has been somewhat quiet in terms of passenger stats this year, whereas last year it was giving updates every couple of months. Does anyone know whether volumes are still increasing?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: eightf48544 on August 13, 2012, 11:21:32
This has hit a very interesting dilemma facing transport operators. When do you know if you have reach a maximum volume or there is still surpressed demand due to lack of capacity. This is particulary acute at the present time on the railways due to lack of any spare rolling stock with which to either strengthen exisiting services or provide extra trains.

With a bus it's relatively easy as the captital and running cost are lower so you could put on an extra bus and see if people use it and withdraw if not succesful.

It's mainly down to the "bean counters" who insist that asessts are flogged to death and only the bare minimum are used to provide a service this is particually true of DMUs where I think they would really like to do away with maintenance spares if they could. I am really sure they believe you can get 100% utilisation from a DMU whereas the maths says you are lucky to get 90% and 80% might be more realisitc,

Whereas BR was criticised particulay, in the Beeching report, for having too many underused assets such as coaches and wagons, but at least  in those days Exeter would have been able to add a couple coaches to a Barnstable train if required.

So until some DMUs are cascaded from electrification it will reamin an unanswered question as whether the Tarka Line has reached it's maxium usage or that there is still surpressed deamand.

But by then it could be too late as those who might have used the train will either have found alternatives or changed their jorneys to avoid the Tarka Line.

As Grahame keeps pointing out there is a lot of Sociology in peoples' choices of transport, which we barely understand.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: paul7575 on August 13, 2012, 11:59:20
It's mainly down to the "bean counters" who insist that asessts are flogged to death and only the bare minimum are used to provide a service this is particually true of DMUs where I think they would really like to do away with maintenance spares if they could.

Got any real world examples of DMU fleets which have 100% utilisation over a 7 day week?   

Paul


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on August 13, 2012, 15:06:36
FGW has recently reacquired 5 class 180 Adelantes, mainly for use on the Cotswold Line, so that the current Turbos can be used to lengthen overcrowded Thames Valley services. I understand that they plan to put these trains into service on weekdays (M-F) only and then only to have 4 out of the 5 normally in use. However first indications since some have come into service that even this generous backup is not enough because the historic unreliability problems have not been fully rectified despite millions being spent on mechanical and electrical modifications.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on August 13, 2012, 20:25:35
A three-car train on the Tarka line, with everyone seated, will cost more than a two-car service full of angry standing passengers. As railways today are all about money, not service, this is tolerated. Like on the Severn Beach line, improvements have added passengers and ramped up expectations. Possible answers, if they can be found, will involve an extra car at peak times - but from where?

The ideal experiment is impossible. That would see a half-hourly 3 car service, and would show how many more Devonians would give up the car for getting around. Exeter is awful to get around at rush hour in a car.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on August 15, 2012, 10:35:16
Ironic that, on leaving Exeter, the overcrowded two car Barnstaple train passes at least one three car unit standing idle in the carriage sidings (with even more idle at Salisbury).

A joined-up railway anyone?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: paul7575 on August 15, 2012, 11:06:15
Ironic that, on leaving Exeter, the overcrowded two car Barnstaple train passes at least one three car unit standing idle in the carriage sidings (with even more idle at Salisbury).

A joined-up railway anyone?

If you are referring to the 3 car SWT units seen at Exeter New Yard, they are normally only there for around half an hour to clear the platform during turnround before going back to Waterloo.  So just because there's one there as the Barnstaple train passes doesn't mean it is spare.
The arrival and departure times at Exeter are set by the requirement for the hourly up and down services to pass at Axminster and cannot be varied.

Certain SWT services run as 3 car having arrived as 6 car and vice versa, with one of the units having a longer wait to go back towards Waterloo.  But sending one up to Barnstaple would be impossible in the time available, even if there was a common operator in the area.

Paul



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: autotank on August 15, 2012, 11:29:41
If the ridiculous practice of running 158's on the Lymmington branch was ended then would SWT not easily be able to run a couple of extentions through to Barnstaple each day?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: paul7575 on August 15, 2012, 11:40:45
So, assuming you've found a spare 450 to run the branch, you now have one spare 158. 

Would it be better to use that to increase a 6 car Waterloo service to 8 car, or an 8 to 10, which was the original purpose they were leased for?  Or send it off to Barnstaple?

SWT have quite a significant number of DMUs that operate elsewhere on the electrified network that could theoretically be released to other TOCs, but the bottom line is that they'd need replacing with EMUs before this happens.

Paul


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: eightf48544 on August 15, 2012, 15:21:37
Got any real world examples of DMU fleets which have 100% utilisation over a 7 day week?   
Paul

No and that's the point I was trying to make about the modern railway that the "bean counters" expect  unrealistic utilisation of DMUs.

It's the same thinking behind Four tracks point about it being cheaper to run a full and standing 2 car than have everyone seated in 3 car train.

Also if there was a common railway (Umberleigh's point) with common user stock then who knows there may well be a spare 158/9 to send to Barnstable as the diagrams would be entirely differnet.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Louis94 on August 15, 2012, 16:13:13
If you are referring to the 3 car SWT units seen at Exeter New Yard, they are normally only there for around half an hour to clear the platform during turnround before going back to Waterloo.  So just because there's one there as the Barnstaple train passes doesn't mean it is spare.
The arrival and departure times at Exeter are set by the requirement for the hourly up and down services to pass at Axminster and cannot be varied.

Certain SWT services run as 3 car having arrived as 6 car and vice versa, with one of the units having a longer wait to go back towards Waterloo.  But sending one up to Barnstaple would be impossible in the time available, even if there was a common operator in the area.

Paul



Its worth noting that with the current turn around times in New Yard the units DO actually have enough time for services to run to Paignton and Plymouth around the similar time to they ran before. As some services arrive as 6-cars and then depart as 3-cars, it is possible to do this and still have services running as booked from Exeter, with a portion from New Yard and a portion from Paignton or Plymouth. If SWT still ran to Plymouth and Paignton they would STILL have enough rolling stock to run the current level of service and level of carriages between Exeter and London, so I see no problem going through to Barnstaple instead of these western terminals, the only thing stopping this would route knowledge and perhaps the impact on the staffing because breaks would need to be moved/altered.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on August 15, 2012, 17:09:45
Thanks for your reply.

So it seems it would be feasible to use the SWT 3 car units to alleviate the Tarka line overcrowding, produce extra revenue and give passengers a much more comfortable journey. Also this would of course free up the FGW units to strengthen other services. Everyone's a winner!

*sigh*


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: grahame on August 15, 2012, 17:47:05
So it seems it would be feasible to use the SWT 3 car units to alleviate the Tarka line overcrowding, produce extra revenue and give passengers a much more comfortable journey. Also this would of course free up the FGW units to strengthen other services. Everyone's a winner!

If Stagecoach were to win the Great Western Franchise, this could happen commercially as well as logically.  We've seen some similar things done between the 125 fleet and West fleet since First became responsible for both - just this evening, I note that the 18:00 Bristol to Paddington is a 3 car train rather than an 8, for example (for the record - running Temple Meads to Swindon only).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on August 15, 2012, 18:15:43
they used to run up to crediton a long long time ago !


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: smokey on August 15, 2012, 20:12:17
10.5 mile up grade?

Just what does that mean, relay the 5 1/4 miles from Cowley Bridge Junction to Credition and Reinstate the Old Down Line from CB Junction to Credition, well it's a 10 1/2 mile up grade!


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: RichardB on August 15, 2012, 23:15:09
10.5 mile up grade?

Just what does that mean, relay the 5 1/4 miles from Cowley Bridge Junction to Credition and Reinstate the Old Down Line from CB Junction to Credition, well it's a 10 1/2 mile up grade!

The main relaying is between Eggesford and close to Portsmouth Arms.  There are three smaller sections elsewhere too.

I can see the loop at Crediton being extended southward at some time in the future (possibly when Exeter is resignalled), but I can't see the double track being restored all the way back to Cowley Bridge.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: eightf48544 on August 16, 2012, 09:34:37
10.5 mile up grade?

Would have thought that with 10hp per ton a 159 is more than capable of getting to Crediton even if it 10.5 miles uphill. Plus they do Exeter St Davids to Central and Axminister to Honiton every day without many problems.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on August 16, 2012, 17:33:16
Apologies to John R and anyone else checking out www.tarkarail.org for the missing 2012 figures, these are now available on the news page.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on August 16, 2012, 23:06:15
Most 159's arrive at EXD at xx42 before going to new yard and being back in the platform for xx21 so if you can do Barny and back in 39 mins then yeah!  ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Louis94 on August 16, 2012, 23:07:37
Most 159's arrive at EXD at xx42 before going to new yard and being back in the platform for xx21 so if you can do Barny and back in 39 mins then yeah!  ::)

You clearly have not read my post... I said how it was possible when services arrived as 6-cars and the next service out is a 3-car as is the case a couple of times a day.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: John R on September 01, 2012, 08:06:41
Apologies to John R and anyone else checking out www.tarkarail.org for the missing 2012 figures, these are now available on the news page.

Ah, thank you very much for updating polymath. (Just seen this on return from hols, hence why the delay in acknowledging your update.)

The rate of increase appears to be flattening off quite quickly this year. I wonder whether this is symptomatic of the general economic situation, or due to factors specific to the branch, such as overcrowding. The dismal summer certainly won't have helped the last couple of months' figures, but even before that, when you take out the effect of easter falling in different periods, the increase has been falling back.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: smokey on September 07, 2012, 18:13:18
I often think it's a BIG shame that EXD to Barnstaple isn't part of the South West Trains franchise, then I reckon you'd get 3 car trains and hopefully Waterloo Barnstaple services,


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: vacman on September 07, 2012, 19:20:00
I often think it's a BIG shame that EXD to Barnstaple isn't part of the South West Trains franchise, then I reckon you'd get 3 car trains and hopefully Waterloo Barnstaple services,

you'd get the same trains as now but with different stickers....and no through services to Digby which is where a lot of people go to from the Barny line, probably only 2 hourly as well


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on September 11, 2012, 10:26:53
Apologies to John R and anyone else checking out www.tarkarail.org for the missing 2012 figures, these are now available on the news page.

Ah, thank you very much for updating polymath. (Just seen this on return from hols, hence why the delay in acknowledging your update.)

The rate of increase appears to be flattening off quite quickly this year. I wonder whether this is symptomatic of the general economic situation, or due to factors specific to the branch, such as overcrowding. The dismal summer certainly won't have helped the last couple of months' figures, but even before that, when you take out the effect of easter falling in different periods, the increase has been falling back.

Still, overall, very impressive growth figures that I imagine most businesses in the South West would bite your hand off for. Sadly, I have come across anecdotal evidence that overcrowding on the two-car units has driven some users back to their cars.

The investment in infrastructure along the line has been most welcome, albeit long overdue. However, we are left with inadequate trains built, what, thirty years ago? Meanwhile, the EU provided Ireland with shiny new 3 car dmus from 2005 onwards, to be used on lines with less custom than Exeter-Barnstaple.

Northern Ireland got some, too.

*sigh*



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on September 18, 2012, 19:38:25
As an aside, I drove past both Umberleigh and Eggesford stations this afternoon (no train to South Molton nowadays  :() and it was interesting to see 6 or more cars parked up at each station. Trust me, in the late 80's - mid 90's, cars were a rarity in the then parking spaces (probably the early 00's too, but I was elsewhere).

So a well done to those involved in increasing and refurbishing the spaces at Umberleigh, and for also allowing parking on the wide lane immediately after the level crossing/bridge at Eggesford.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: polymath on September 19, 2012, 09:05:47
Umberleigh now has the highest footfall of any of the request stops along the line (that is all stations except Eggesford and Crediton), and it is not unusual to find all the parking spaces filled. This is a far cry from the dark, muddy, potholed area that used to be the carpark until a few years ago

Eggesford suffers from the lack of a proper carpark, hence the parking along the road to Wembworthy, but there are tentative plans to remedy this situation.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Umberleigh on September 19, 2012, 12:38:59
I noticed the old goods yard at Eggesford is "To Let", would certainly allow plenty of space for parking.

At some point in the future there will need to be significant tree-felling in Eggesford forest. Given the timber-led revival of the Heathfield branch, might there be a possibility of a new siding at Eggesford/Lapford or a new use for the engineers sidings at Crediton?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on September 28, 2012, 14:51:05
I noticed the old goods yard at Eggesford is "To Let", would certainly allow plenty of space for parking.

At some point in the future there will need to be significant tree-felling in Eggesford forest. Given the timber-led revival of the Heathfield branch, might there be a possibility of a new siding at Eggesford/Lapford or a new use for the engineers sidings at Crediton?

one would hope so, however the heathfield branch doesn't see passenger traffic, getting freight up that line would be more of a challenge .... there is also the weight restrictions on parts of the branch, however i guess sending the train up during the night and loading during the day is a possibility?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 21, 2012, 22:55:10
From the North Devon Journal (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Tarka-line-Barnstaple-Crediton-closed-weeks/story-17125901-detail/story.html):

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The Tarka rail line between Barnstaple and Crediton will be closed for two weeks in November.

Passengers will be taken on buses between the towns from November 17 to December 3.

Network Rail will be renewing the track at Lapford and also between Eggesford and Portsmouth Arms. It says the work will make the train ride smoother for passengers and help pave the way for faster journey times.

Further track renewal improvements are planned between Crediton and Yeoford and in the Umberleigh and Chapelton areas next March.

Network Rail said the programme of improvements brings the total spend on the line to ^9.3m to date in the current financial year.

Western route managing director Patrick Hallgate said: "This is the biggest spend on the Tarka Line in more than 100 years and is certainly the largest single investment in the line since approximately ^4.6m (today's prices) was spent on re-modelling the junction and replacing the bridges at Cowley Bridge, Exeter in 1965."

Julian Crow, Regional Manager, West of England for train operator First Great Western, said: "The Tarka Line is thriving with more passengers than ever and we very much welcome this huge investment in the line's future, leading to smoother and faster journeys for our customers. Since the beginning of the franchise in 2006 First Great Western, working with Devon County Council, has provided an additional nine services a week to the line.

"We'll do our best to make journeys as easy as possible whilst the work is carried out and look forward to the improvements when it is completed."

John Burch, chairman of the Tarka Rail Association, said "We are delighted that this work is going ahead on the Tarka Line at long last. We have been involved in discussions about these plans for a very long time. We have worked hard to raise the profile of the Tarka Line and attract investment to improve the service offered. Our ultimate aim is to see faster services on the line and an increase in line capacity to cope with the huge increase in the number of people using the Tarka Line in recent years.

"We realise that suspension of the train service over parts of the line is a huge inconvenience to customers, but this is the best and quickest way to undertake this extensive work. We are also working with First Great Western to ensure that suitable replacement road services are operated during the works and believe that short term pain will bring significant long term gain.

"This investment demonstrates a confidence in secondary routes as part of the essential future public transport network and we know it is the only way to get people out of their cars in the medium to long term."

The line will be closed for major track renewal works from Saturday 17 November to the morning of Monday 3 December 2012. The works in March 2013 are expected to take an additional seven days.

In both November 2012 and March 2013, the railway will remain open for trains as far as Crediton, with replacement road transport being provided between Crediton and stations to Barnstaple.

Network Rail said the work supported aspirations to reduce the journey time between Exeter St David's and Barnstaple in the future. On completion, nearly nine miles of track, just under a quarter of the line's 39 miles, will have been renewed, replacing track which had an average age of 55 years, with some of the earliest components dating back to 1942.

Go to the Tarka Rail Association's website www.tarkarail.org for more information about the work.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: bobm on October 21, 2012, 23:02:22
Doesn't this one or two week closure happen on most branch lines, especially in the West Country?  I'm sure I have read of this happening in past years.  I suppose it makes economic sense to do work in one big annual "hit" rather than a number of shorter possessions.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on October 21, 2012, 23:04:01
No pain, no gain. Or in this case, no train, no gain.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: Bristolboy on October 28, 2012, 20:56:10
Doesn't this one or two week closure happen on most branch lines, especially in the West Country?  I'm sure I have read of this happening in past years.  I suppose it makes economic sense to do work in one big annual "hit" rather than a number of shorter possessions.

Recently happened on the maritime line between truro and falmouth.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on October 28, 2012, 23:04:53
Not confined to branch lines, although exceptional circumstances were in place here. In 2004, the line between Narroways Junction and Filton Junction was closed for 2 weeks, to construct the third line and platform through Filton Abbey Wood. The Severn Beach Line was bustituted for the period, but saw its heaviest use in many a long year, as a diversionary route. That added nearly an hour to my journey home one day, not that I minded. Passing a 125 at Avonmouth and a Voyager at Clifton Down, after a ride over the Henbury loop isn't something you can do every day. 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: RichardB on November 02, 2012, 12:35:24
Here is the story in the Crediton Country Courier
http://www.creditoncouriernewspaper.co.uk/news.cfm?id=37675&searchword=tarka



Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, incidents and events
Post by: TonyK on November 02, 2012, 22:06:00
I hadn't realised it was such a major job! I may be in Cred during part of the possession, and will take a camera, just in case.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on February 01, 2013, 22:48:23
The tarkarail.org site has now published the full year passenger numbers, and they show a very creditable increase of 6%. The last two periods were well down - no great surprise there given the closures for engineering work and then flooding. Without that impact the full year increase would have been at least 10%.

One curious statistic is that period 11, normally one of the quieter ones, registered a near 30% increase to give the highest number ever in one month, over 50,000. Yes it included October half term, but period 11 usually does, so I can't think of any reason why the dramatic increase. 


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: DavidBrown on February 01, 2013, 22:58:01
Whilst it won't account for the whole increase, I wonder if the Exeter Chief's first European games (not only a more attractive fixture, but also more games at Sandy Park) would have had an effect? There certaintly seems to be a fair few rugby fans that make their way down on the train from north Devon.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: TonyK on February 06, 2013, 21:14:13
Whilst it won't account for the whole increase, I wonder if the Exeter Chief's first European games (not only a more attractive fixture, but also more games at Sandy Park) would have had an effect? There certaintly seems to be a fair few rugby fans that make their way down on the train from north Devon.

That's a very good point. Not only is a train ride to Digby and Sowton easier than a drive through Exeter and a search for a parking space, but the train gives one the opportunity to partake of traditional rugby refreshment without falling foul of Devon and Cornwall Police's current drive against anti-social motorists (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Police-crackdown-anti-social-driving-Exeter/story-18069226-detail/story.html#axzz2K8aySHO4) in the city. Support for the chiefs is strong in the county, possibly because of the limited access to sporting events of the type, and people I know are happy to travel from Barnstaple and South Molton to games.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 06, 2013, 21:30:11
and people I know are happy to travel from Barnstaple and South Molton to games.

I have travelled from Cornwall for occasional games. I know people from down here who are season ticket holders as well. Exeter Chiefs work closely with local clubs in Cornwall and often provide clubs in Cornwall with complimentary tickets to raffle/ auction to raise money for local club funds. I'm assuming they'd do this even more with Devon clubs.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: RichardB on February 06, 2013, 21:42:11
The opening of the new John Lewis store in Exeter in early October has been very good for the railway.

The opening was well publicised on local TV.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 13, 2013, 20:15:51
From the North Devon Journal (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/story-18126758-detail/story.html?#axzz2KjeYMpvd):

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Funds made available for Tarka Line improvement

The Tarka Line will come under review in the next month while money has been made available for improvements to the line and Barnstaple Railway Station.

The news comes after a Devon and Exeter Rail Project Working Party meeting at County Hall in Exeter on Friday.

(http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275834/Article/images/18126758/4557231.jpg)
A train on the Tarka Line

Rodney Cann, the Devon County Councillor for Fremington Rural, asked Network Rail representatives at the meeting what message he could take back to North Devon over flooding on the line. And he was told a full report on the matter will be available at the end of March.

"The Tarka line is very much a success story with increasing passenger numbers," said Mr Cann. "It's a vital link to North Devon and the problem is we are never certain when the service is available on the line or when passengers have to take a bus. Flooding for the Tarka Line is not just a one-off but is a regular occurrence. The line actually loses credibility with potential passengers as a result."

But Mr Cann was reassured when he was told Network Rail plan to spend ^75,000 improving the Tarka Line, although how that money will be spent depends on the outcome of the report. There is also ^40,000 of funding available to improve access to Barnstaple station.

^ It was also revealed at the meeting that in the month when a new John Lewis department store opened in Exeter passenger use of the Tarka Line shot up by 28.9 per cent.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: swrural on February 13, 2013, 21:28:51
I think that figure of ^75,000 is missing a couple of noughts off the end, if it's an amount to update the line and stop any more flooding.   ::)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on February 13, 2013, 21:44:50
Yes, I'd be interested to know whether that is the correct figure, as it won't even buy a GRIP 3 study for any improvement. If it is really only 75k then I'm surprised it even warrants a mention. Richard B - any idea?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: DavidBrown on February 13, 2013, 23:06:36
I'd have a guess at ^40,000 on improving access to Barnstaple station could be something as simple as a new pedestrian crossing on Station Road (a quick Google search seems to suggest that's about what you would get for your money). As for ^75,000 on "improving the line", again complete guesses, but could it be the admin cost for formally raising a speed limit on a section of track, or the cost of running an extra service on a Sunday for the summer, for example?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: RichardB on February 14, 2013, 17:34:52
Cllr Cann is one of North Devon Council's representatives on the Devon & Exeter Rail Project Working Party (ExeRail) - they met last Friday and the figures being talked about were presented in the programme for the forthcoming financial year.

David is spot on re the ^40,000 - it is for a pedestrian crossing on Station Road in Barnstaple.  Three designs already drawn up will be put to public consultation and the preferred scheme will be implemented.  The ^75,000 is Devon County Council's revenue support for two weekday and one Sunday Tarka Line trains.  It's not new and dates back to the introduction of the near hourly weekday service in 2008 and the new early Sunday morning train in 2010.  The plan under the now ended franchise competition was that these services would be taken into the franchise and Devon support ended from 2015 and I'd be confident that will still be the case.

Richard Burningham,
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on February 14, 2013, 18:56:03
Thanks Richard. So the comment in the article about the 75k being Network Rail funded is incorrect.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: RichardB on February 15, 2013, 12:38:15
Yes, John, bit of a misunderstanding there.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 26, 2013, 12:58:45
From the North Devon Journal (http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Congestion-diversion/story-19977667-detail/story.html):

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Congestion in diversion

I was amused, not to say irritated, to read that during the work on the Tarka Line "buses face a 26-mile diversion". This would be true if they followed the "official" diversion route via South Molton. They do not.

First Great Western have switched on their corporate sat navs and realised that there is a much shorter route through Atherington and High Bickington. I assume this was not chosen as the preferred diversion during the closure of the A377 because of the narrow road and sharp corners.

In Atherington there is a very sharp turn to get into the B3217 from the Torrington Road. Coaches and articulated lorries need the entire road width plus the space outside the church, for weddings and funeral cars, to be able to make that turn.

Pedestrians just get scattered; damage is being done to road surface, street furniture and buildings. At times there are quite substantial delays and traffic jams as buses and lorries meet each other on the winding narrow roads and then have to edge past each other, usually at the expense of damage to paths, hedges and kerbs. I dread to think what happens in High Bickington; the road there is straighter but even narrower than in Atherington.

What adds icing to the cake is that there seem to be two buses on the rail replacement service in each direction following close behind each other. The first usually has a few passengers; the second usually has one person seated in solitary splendour or none at all. I would imagine First Great Western are replacing trains with the same capacity on the buses. This was fairly gormless as it would have been easy to predict that virtually nobody wants to travel by bus rather than a train as they would be doing that anyway, there being a bus route that parallels the train line ordinarily.

JONATHAN FRAYNE
Atherington.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: bobm on October 26, 2013, 13:03:55
This work has finished now, but weren't the two buses operating on different stopping patterns?  One calling all stations and one fast to Crediton?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on October 26, 2013, 22:10:34
The resurrection of the thread took me to the tarkarail.org site so see how passenger numbers are going. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated for a few months, so we can't see whether numbers have held up over the summer.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: grahame on October 27, 2013, 02:08:03
I briefly looked at the timetable on this when the replacements were on; two buses were indeed connecting with each train - one non-stop to Barnstaple, the other serving intermediate points and much, much slower.

Even with the non-stop bus service replacing  stopping train, I'm not surprised to read that buses were quiet (though I questing the thoroughness and completeness of the evidence gathering).  But with few people on the buses, where did they go? I would suggest that - being winterish - many people still had to travel and a significant number probably drove, and not the 26 mile diversion route.  These drivers would have had far more effect on the traffic levels in intermediate villages than the buses, half of which probably couldn't have used the diversion anyway due to the need to serve intermediate places.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: RichardB on October 29, 2013, 13:17:49
The resurrection of the thread took me to the tarkarail.org site so see how passenger numbers are going. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated for a few months, so we can't see whether numbers have held up over the summer.

I compile the sheet you see on Tarkarail.org from figures supplied by FGW and have attached the latest one (which I'll send to the Tarka Rail Association now too).

All still going very well on the Tarka Line - up 5.7% so far this year and, as long as we don't get a repeat of last year's floods, the year should finish with the line on nearly 600,000 journeys, the highest yet seen.





Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 29, 2013, 16:27:34
Thanks for posting those figures, Richard - and congratulations on the record!  :)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on October 29, 2013, 18:15:14
Yes, thank you Richard.

I notice the Tarka Rail site has just published a strategy document as to how the branch could/should be developed over the next 10+ years. I'm not sure I quite bought the comment about electrification but other than that it seemed to be a sensible and coherent view of the way forward.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: TonyK on November 03, 2013, 22:03:35
I would suggest that - being winterish - many people still had to travel and a significant number probably drove, and not the 26 mile diversion route

Quite right, grahame. I spend a lot of time in these parts, having a cottage near South Molton (special rates for Coffee Shop members!) and a daughter and two children in Crediton. There are many better routes than the official diversion, albeit not with a double-decker bus. It's not surprising that takers for the bus services were so low compared to train passengers. Time, here, is of the essence, and many will have returned to the car. I'm sure they will return quickly to rail.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on January 23, 2014, 19:53:24
Good to see the final figures published for the Tarka Line, showing another 10% increase in passenger journeys over the year. Would have probably hit 600k if it wasn't for the weather disruption in December. Up 54% in just 4 years.

How much more can peak journeys continue to increase without additional rolling stock I wonder? And how long before DCC seriously consider the possibility of infrastructure improvements to enable a 2 tph service?


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: TonyK on January 23, 2014, 21:27:44
There will be a big rush to get to the front of the queue for any cascaded stock from elsewhere. Bristol City Council and the other three neighbours have already been to see a minister to get their nose in front. Any infrastructure upgrade beyond the most minor is likely to take years to get through the GRIP process. It can be faster, and the speed seems to be in proportion to the money available from outside of Network Rail to pay for the project.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: DavidBrown on January 24, 2014, 14:52:52
One thing I have noticed more recently is how 4 car 143's now seem to be the norm rather than the exception. Whilst the quality of rolling stock still leaves a lot to be desires, the quantity definitely seems to be moving in a positive direction.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: AMLAG on January 24, 2014, 18:21:03

Please don't give the impression (because it is not the case) that 4 cars (2 x 143 units) are regularly in use on ND (Tarka) line trains such as 0700,0843 & 0943 Barnstaple and 1527 & 1657 Exeter St D all of which are only 2 cars (143, 150 or 2 x 153 units) and regularly full & standing with many passengers standing for well over 20 minutes.

There are however one or two mid day M-F trains that are diagrammed to be worked by 2 x 143 units which for operational convenience (but not for capacity, fuel efficiencies/cost reduction issues) stay coupled together all day because they are required for peak trains on the Exmouth & Paignton services.
Many ND line trains on Saturdays are, and have been for some while, made up to 3 or 4 cars because there are sufficient units spare/available on Saturdays.
Unlike the London commuting area there are no spare units sitting all day in sidings at Exeter between peak hours M-F requirements (other than a SWT cl 159 !)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: TonyK on January 24, 2014, 19:19:47
Thank you for pointing that out, AMLAG. It does, to the uneducated eye, seem odd that there is higher capacity on the Tarka line during the quiet times, and less at peak times, but your explanation will help anyone who isn't  familiar with these idiosyncrasies, and who has had the good sense to look here for answers. I suppose the point is that the passenger base between Exmuff and Paignton, apart from being two direction into Exeter, is higher than that of the Tarka, and it is expedient for FGW to run the units in the way you describe.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 13, 2014, 20:23:40
From the North Devon Journal (http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/improvements-railway-line-Barnstaple-Exeter/story-21450891-detail/story.html):

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Call for further improvements to the railway line between Barnstaple and Exeter

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A train users group has called for more improvements to the rail service between Barnstaple and Exeter, including faster and more regular trains.

The Tarka Rail Association has submitted its views on a potential new First Great Western franchise for local rail services.

A Department for Transport document published in May gave details about the planned approach for the next franchise when the current one ends in September 2015. It stated First Great Western was awarded the last franchise, which was put in place in October 2013, with the expectation it would be awarded a second.

The association said it supported the proposal to award First Great Western the franchise, but wanted to see a number of improvements on the Barnstaple to Exeter line. These included higher speed trains, additional car parking at Umberleigh, Eggesford and Copplestone and an hourly service between 5.30am and midnight Monday to Saturday.

Other suggested improvements included better, faster and longer trains, the recognition of Barnstaple as a ^major railhead^, and the adaptation of a small number of older trains to be attached to service trains on Sundays and bank holidays to accommodate cyclists.

Association chairman John Burch said there had already been successes in securing extra capacity on trains at 7am and 4.57pm, which would come into effect from December 2014. But he said there were still gaps in the timetable which the association would like to see filled with extra services.

^There are a number of particular trains which are very heavily overloaded on a regular basis,^ he said. ^We would like to see an earlier departure from Barnstaple because the earliest is currently 7am.^

Mr Burch said the greatest frustration was persuading Network Rail to increase speed limits on the line.

North Devon Council leader Brian Greenslade said the council had held discussions with Exeter City Council about improvements to the line. ^One objective was to try and make it faster and more attractive to commute between the two,^ he said.

^I have also spoken to the chief executive of Devon County Council about the same issue and we hope we can lobby First Great Western to see what they can do to provide faster connections first thing in the morning and at tea time.^

First Great Western said it could not comment on the franchise beyond September 2015.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: DavidBrown on July 13, 2014, 21:47:09
Just as a quick aside on the TRA, is there any particular reason why their website isn't updated anymore? (Or rather, indeed, hasn't been for a couple of years).


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: The Grecian on July 14, 2014, 00:24:36
I believe there was a plan to increase speed limits by replacing the old jointed track with continuous welded rail when the line was intended to be closed for 2 weeks in November 2012.

Unfortunately the elements had other ideas and Network Rail's attention was quickly diverted to other nearby locations such as Cowley Bridge and Broom Crossing. I'm not sure if the intended works ever happened.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: TonyK on July 14, 2014, 17:07:30
A lot of it has been done with CWR, including the bit past my son-in-law's workshop in Crediton, a little west of the station. He said the difference is remarkable - he hardly hears trains passing now. I noticed a lot of kit in the siding at the station a few months back.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on July 17, 2014, 20:36:52
Association chairman John Burch said there had already been successes in securing extra capacity on trains at 7am and 4.57pm, which would come into effect from December 2014. But he said there were still gaps in the timetable which the association would like to see filled with extra services.

I hadn't heard about this before. Great news for the branch, although I'm intrigued as to where the capacity is coming from given the dearth of available stock at the moment.


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 17, 2014, 22:31:04
See http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14140.msg156036#msg156036 for a hint ...  ;)


Title: Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple - services, passenger numbers, carriages, engineering works, i
Post by: John R on July 17, 2014, 23:19:58
I did suspect the two were linked.



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