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Title: Safe use of stations
Post by: Western Pathfinder on July 22, 2018, 13:45:01
It's that time of year again ! Schools on holidays and lots more youngsters out and about,just yesterday at Pilning whilst waiting for the after noon service to arrive I had to have a word about safe usage of  the platform with a father and his son who had gone off the end,and were sitting by the track !
When I asked them politely to come back from the trackside I got the reply,Who are you then the Railway police,having introduced myself and offered to ring the BTP and provide photographs they saw my point and came back onto the platform.
And now today this !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-44916009?__twitter_impression=true.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on July 22, 2018, 20:03:32
It's that time of year again ! Schools on holidays and lots more youngsters out and about,just yesterday at Pilning whilst waiting for the after noon service to arrive I had to have a word about safe usage of  the platform with a father and his son who had gone off the end,and were sitting by the track !
When I asked them politely to come back from the trackside I got the reply,Who are you then the Railway police,having introduced myself and offered to ring the BTP and provide photographs they saw my point and came back onto the platform.
And now today this !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-44916009?__twitter_impression=true.

In many ways I regret the passing of platform end slopes ... but will admit to being happy that the lengthening at Melksham has replaced a slope by a butt end.  Hopefully next time a steam special comes we won't have people who "know what I am doing" even if it's risky and a bad example, or wandering down trackside with grandson in arms to give him a better view.  It was only a 153 that came in just after I had persuaded Granny back off the track edge and up on the platform, but I suspect it would have done as much damage as that 1000 ton freight train that Tim Brown talked about to the BBC.

Trowbridge doesn't normally have expess passenger trains passing through.   Yesterday it was part of the main line from the South West to London, and goodness knows how many 125s, not shown on the boards, were whizzing through.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Jason on July 23, 2018, 11:03:30
I saw some muppet at my local station last week who had the back wheel of his bike hanging over the platform edge so he could rest the pedal on the platform edge and straighten his handlebars with his back to the track.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Western Pathfinder on July 23, 2018, 13:06:24
The story with regard to Trowbridge goes on its now an item on this lunchtimes BBC Points West,be interesting to see how it comes over !.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: rogerw on July 23, 2018, 16:05:23
The father is still claiming it was perfectly safe.  It will be interesting to see what line BTP (or even social services) take on this.  I will not express my views on the father's attitude  :o ::)


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: broadgage on July 23, 2018, 18:55:36
This was on the evening TV news, and the general tone of the reporting was critical of the owner of the child.
A very sensible railway manager pointed out the dangers of freight trains and non stop passenger trains, neither of which of course are shown on the departure indicator.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on July 23, 2018, 19:49:52
A very sensible railway manager pointed out the dangers of freight trains and non stop passenger trains...

And a chap from Network Rail said that trains go through at up to 125 m.p.h.    Err - Trowbridge - don't think so, but then Network Rail apply a 60% optimism factor to anything.

Having pulled NR up from that silliness, a 153 at 30 m.p.h. would leave the child in pieces.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Phantom on July 24, 2018, 13:57:00
The father is still claiming it was perfectly safe.  It will be interesting to see what line BTP (or even social services) take on this.  I will not express my views on the father's attitude  :o ::)

BTP have just released a "tweet" saying:

"We're investigating the circumstances around photo which appeared on social media showing a child in a dangerous position at Trowbridge station.
In relation to this matter, a man has been interviewed under caution. Our enquiries continue"


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Timmer on July 24, 2018, 14:00:06
And a chap from Network Rail said that trains go through at up to 125 m.p.h.    Err - Trowbridge - don't think so, but then Network Rail apply a 60% optimism factor to anything.

Having pulled NR up from that silliness, a 153 at 30 m.p.h. would leave the child in pieces.
It's those two golden words 'up to' that allow so much room for exaggeration in so many walks of life; especially in marketing! That and the word 'from'.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: WelshBluebird on July 24, 2018, 15:45:15
Having pulled NR up from that silliness, a 153 at 30 m.p.h. would leave the child in pieces.

Indeed. There was an incident a few years ago at the station near my old secondary school where a child died after being hit in the head by a train that was stopping at the station. Just shows the speed doesn't have to be high for an incident to be fatal.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 24, 2018, 18:53:21
But 30mph doesn't sound very scary. Hence "up to 125mph" to achieve the desired effect.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on July 24, 2018, 19:23:31
But 30mph doesn't sound very scary. Hence "up to 125mph" to achieve the desired effect.

Much better to quote "express trains not shown on the departure boards at up to 80 mph" - just as much an alert  125 mph, and at present the truth, or very close to it.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Clan Line on July 24, 2018, 20:06:42
Isn't the actual speed limit though Trowbridge 55mph ? Still quite nippy !


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on July 24, 2018, 20:27:23
Isn't the actual speed limit though Trowbridge 55mph ? Still quite nippy !

Probably ... I was still wrong, but not quite so absurdly so!


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 24, 2018, 20:33:34
50mph according the sectional appendix, though that's purely through the station, it's 60/70 either side


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: patch38 on July 24, 2018, 21:03:25
Back to the original point - if your child's head were to come into contact with a freight loco trailing 1,200 tonnes at anything between 5 and 75 mph, the outcome would be sadly predictable I imagine.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 24, 2018, 22:19:24
But this "advice" doesn't only apply to Trowbridge.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Clan Line on July 25, 2018, 11:10:07
50mph according the sectional appendix, though that's purely through the station, it's 60/70 either side

You are quite correct - that's where I got my info from. I either misread, or mistyped  it. 


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on September 16, 2018, 19:18:08
14th September - from the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-45518597

Quote
The father of a boy photographed with his head hanging over a train platform will face no further action, British Transport Police (BTP) has said.
A picture of the six-year-old went viral after Tim Brown posted the "absolutely unbelievable" scene at Trowbridge station online.
The boy's father Ian Stanton, 46, insisted his son was there "for all of 30 seconds" and was never in danger.
He was interviewed under caution by BTP but faces no further action.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2018, 19:35:40
Bet he will if he allows it again though!


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: martyjon on September 16, 2018, 19:44:19
Bet he will if he allows it again though!

AND its caught on camera !


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: grahame on March 10, 2019, 08:43:16
Mentality of teenage girls described as 'staggering' after they were caught taking 'selfies' on train track

Bromsgrove ... the report is in several places including most recently Somerset Live (https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mentality-teenage-girls-described-staggering-2627700) (other reports I noted yesterday have slipped off my immediate radar)

Quote
Two schoolgirls are caught on camera risking their lives by posing for selfies on live railway lines.

One of the girls, aged around 13 or 14, clambered off the platform and onto the tracks and struck several different poses.

She even dangled her legs off the platform of the station while her pal took snaps of her on her mobile phone.

Horrified signalling staff were forced to halt trains after the girls were spotted messing around at Bromsgrove Station, Worcestershire, last Friday (March 1).

Pictures taken from the railway’s CCTV shows one of the girls leaning over the platform at 5.44pm.


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: GBM on March 10, 2019, 09:08:51

I would hope that BTP would take off any CCTV images and look to give a severe lecture, plus perhaps going into all locality schools for a talk.

However, as they probably don't have the manpower these days, nothing will happen


Title: Re: Safe use of stations
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 10, 2019, 16:10:46
BTP have the manpower to visit my son's school (in Bristol)every year to talk about safe use of stations and trains, even without any specific incidents to respond to.



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