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Title: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: sanfrandragon on August 22, 2018, 11:32:55 am
What is going on with this service?  Usually 6 cars, but only 3 today, the number of cars has been up and down all summer, varying between 6, 4 and 3 as i recall with no apparent pattern.  The initial explanation was 'due to engineering works at Didcot'  I can kind of understand how engineering works might prevent a full service, but why the daily variation?

Is it really due to staff shortages/stock unexpectedly out of service/lack of maintenance that I have read about elsewhere for other trains?  The cynic in me also assumes that because the service is running to time it gets a tick in the box even though capacity has been cut by half?

It's going to be carnage putting 6 cars worth of passengers into 3 when everyone returns from their summer hols.  Indeed, the other day, it was noticeably dangerous and the driver had to sound his horn as passengers moved along the platform on the wrong side of the yellow line as they realised the train was short-formed just as it was approaching.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: CJB666 on August 23, 2018, 06:06:43 am
At least he sounded a warning horn. Such over-crowding is a recipe for someone trying to board at doors where pax are jammed, the doors then closing, and the train moving off dragging the poor s%d along the platform. But this would never happen on our modern and professionally operated railways would it? Hmm - thinks back to Hounslow, Hayes & Harlington, and other stations.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on August 23, 2018, 08:43:19 am
I catch the same train at Twyford so agree with you that 3 cars is nowhere near enough. I'm guessing the variance in size is due to 3 cars being needed elsewhere while the new trains  bed in/drivers are trained etc.

As GWR have redeployed a lot of their DMUs there's probably a very small pool of DMU rolling stock to call on now.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: sanfrandragon on September 11, 2018, 10:32:14 am
Wow, finally some customer service, we thought this am when the 7.01 was reported to be full & standing; customers advised to change platform for a later train for a more comfortable journey.  How we laughed as we watched from a different platform as the 7.01 pulled in with empty seats and no sign of anyone standing.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 11, 2018, 01:22:22 pm
The slightly earlier non stop Twyford to London train was cancelled this morning so I'm guessing they thought it would be crowded. It was pretty packed on the platform at Twyford but there were more seats available than I expected.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 13, 2019, 12:56:02 pm
It's been a good run but only 3 coaches today which made it all a bit unpleasant. It's also been 5 coaches a lot more frequently. Hopefully this isn't related to the Turbos cascade and challenges around maintenance or spares.

It did manage to be its regular 4-5 mins late though.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: NickB on March 14, 2019, 11:11:37 am
I wondered why the 7.06 was a little busier today.
I’m surprised that the 7.01 is still a turbo. Any idea when it is due to be upgraded?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: didcotdean on March 14, 2019, 11:48:45 am
As it starts from Oxford and calls at all stations to Maidenhead (yes even all three between Oxford and Didcot, being their only through morning service to London) it isn't clear what could be a suitable direct replacement.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 14, 2019, 01:08:43 pm
It could possibly be a candidate for an 8-car Class 769 when they arrive, along with the 17:18 equivalent Turbo return working from Paddington.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2019, 01:50:09 pm
It could possibly be a candidate for an 8-car Class 769 when they arrive, along with the 17:18 equivalent Turbo return working from Paddington.

I followed today's diagram and it headed out for Great Malvern once arrived in Paddington.  I had wondered if it headed for Bedwyn, but apparently not!   I would expect diagrams to change in December ... but will the 769s be as wide ranging as Paddington and Great Malvern, or is this slated as one of the diagrams for 80x units once they're all in service?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 14, 2019, 03:30:11 pm
They won’t go beyond Oxford, and might not even go beyond Didcot or even Reading regularly.  As you say, the diagrams, and times of trains, will alter significantly come the end of the year.

I don’t believe there will be any Cotswold Line services formed by Turbos from then, except the morning ‘Halts’ train.  That was the original plan anyway.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 15, 2019, 02:35:05 pm
Does the 'halt' service include the 06.53/07.01 we're discussing? I think its going to struggle in its current format. Based on the totally unscientific basis of a couple of people I work with more people on the Oxford to Reading part of the journey are using it rather than change at Reading. For them its a much more comfortable journey and they get a seat. It also seems to be getting much busier at Twyford since I've been using it.

You could move the Henley connection back a few minutes so they get the next fast train although I can see that being unpopular as its slightly slower and 10 minutes later.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: grahame on March 15, 2019, 03:55:10 pm
Does the 'halt' service include the 06.53/07.01 we're discussing?

The "halts" train is later ... (e.g.) 07:53 at Finstock, 08:10 Oxford, 08:28 Didcot from where you can catch the stopper at 08:35 to London at 10:02, or the express at 08:55 into London at 09:36

On return, it's the 16:22 from London, 17:25 at Oxford, 17:46 into Finstock.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: sanfrandragon on May 21, 2019, 08:09:21 am
Now an IET, and definitely not an upgrade!

Assuming 5 carriages is the normal length for this service, seating capacity is down significantly from the previous old-fashioned diesel, when most people getting on at Maidenhead could get a seat, now most of them can't.

In addition the single door entry makes it much slower to get on and off.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: didcotdean on May 21, 2019, 09:06:40 am
On Monday it passed Radley, Culham and Appleford because of a SDO issue - up to a 50 minute wait for the next one. On capacity it needs to be a 9 car ... although more door issues then :D


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: lordgoata on May 21, 2019, 09:17:29 am
Is this the same train that runs in the evening to Oxford, arriving at Maidenhead at 1740?

I happened to be at Maidenhead earlier last night, and the 1740 was delayed and I noticed it was an IET instead of the old turbo. I did check RTT but it still had it down as a 165/166, so I wasn't sure - but seeing this today made me wonder if the turbo had been swapped for the IET permanently (or at least for this time table change).


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 21, 2019, 09:43:39 am
That Oxford bound one is now booked for a 9-car IET.  It ran about 8 minutes late from Maidenhead onwards yesterday evening, because of problems not related to the train.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: lordgoata on May 21, 2019, 10:42:08 am
Thank you II (as always!) - might try it out tonight  :)


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 21, 2019, 09:25:23 pm
Thank you II (as always!) - might try it out tonight  :)

Did you?  It arrived Maidenhead 4 minutes early tonight, start to stop in 18 minutes.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: lordgoata on May 22, 2019, 08:03:54 am
Did you?  It arrived Maidenhead 4 minutes early tonight, start to stop in 18 minutes.

I did indeed - my first time on an IET - and I see what everyone says about the seats - I thought the 387's were bad! Was not to badly loaded when it left Maidenhead (which surprised me given the earlier delays and cancellations), I was in coach H, but it was rammed solid at Reading. Might try further along the train next time I catch it. Given me a nice option for summers though - I couldn't stand the Turbo heat anymore!


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 28, 2019, 08:21:49 am
Been away so a bit of a surprise to see a 5 car IET pull in at Twyford.

I use to take the view that billions of pounds of investment had made no difference to my commute. Now I think its safe to say billions of pounds later it is far, far worse.

Absolutely packed and from some of the shouting I could hear not even sure everyone got on a Maidenhead. Talking to some of my fellow travellers many had already written to GWR to complain and been told it represented an increase in seats compared to the Turbo. And the train companies wonder why nobody likes them.

Seriously how can they think this is a sensible idea? As sanfrandragon says the layout makes it far worse with long delays on boarding/disembarking. I also noticed that many of the people standing had nothing to hold onto other than the tops of seats as presumably the IET weren't designed with the aim of everyone standing.

And this is only the Tuesday after a bank holiday with some schools away...



Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 28, 2019, 08:47:38 am
Quite a few cancellations between Reading - Paddington this morning due to overhead wire problems, perhaps that made the 0701 busier than usual?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 28, 2019, 09:00:39 am
I think it’ll be a more consistent 12-car 387 service for fasts from Twyford/Maidenhead from December, (along with the TfL Rail stoppers) but until then a 5-car IET seems to be the best they can provide.  Some 387s are in for Heathrow mods and less Turbos are about.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 28, 2019, 09:01:28 am
Most of the fast trains still seemed to be running but could be a factor although I'd probably see that off set by more people than usual being away.

Talking to a few people though they said it had been the same all last week.

If you lost or declassified the 1 and half carriages of first class then the IET would probably be fine.



Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 28, 2019, 11:02:42 am
If you lost or declassified the 1 and half carriages of first class then the IET would probably be fine.

That’s only another 30 something seats, even if none of them are occupied by first class passengers.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 28, 2019, 11:43:52 am
If you lost or declassified the 1 and half carriages of first class then the IET would probably be fine.

That’s only another 30 something seats, even if none of them are occupied by first class passengers.

Is that all? I assumed it would be more but I think then there's going to be a lot of unhappy passengers at Maidenhead/Twyford.

Be interesting to see if people start reserving seats (which I'm guessing you can do now as its an IET?) as I think that will only make things worse.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Timmer on May 28, 2019, 11:46:42 am
Is that all? I assumed it would be more but I think then there's going to be a lot of unhappy passengers at Maidenhead/Twyford.
The '1' coach of first class you are referring to also contains the kitchen, Train Manager's office, space for 2 wheelchairs and a accessible toilet so there actually only a few First class seats in this coach.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: NickB on May 28, 2019, 07:41:26 pm
The new 7.01 formation has pushed even more passengers on to the 7.08 which was spacious for a while following its conversion from HST to 9 car IET.

I am in full agreement that the 7.01 is grossly overcrowded and that the situation has worsened since the retirement of the Turbo.  It needs to be a 9 car urgently.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 31, 2019, 06:31:26 am
A warning that the 07:08 is also a 5-car this morning.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 31, 2019, 06:42:24 am
Update:  it’s terminated at Oxford anyway due to problems at Hayes.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: BBM on June 12, 2019, 08:43:45 am
I took this service from TWY this morning for the first time since it was converted to IET and it was a 9-car set so hopefully this is regular now. FC was at the front so I went towards the rear. Cars A & B and the rear door of C were off the end of platform 4 so I boarded through the front of C and walked down to A where there was plenty of empty seats, even after calling at MAI.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: TaplowGreen on June 12, 2019, 09:04:34 am
That's good news. I was at Ealing Broadway for the 1707 last night (cancelled, train fault)) and the 1720 was shortformed as a 3 car Turbo (another train fault). Managed to wedge myself on but it was packed beyond description and left many behind on the platform.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 12, 2019, 09:06:25 am
Interestingly it’s booked a 9-car for today only this week.  Rest of the week it’s a 5-car.  Perhaps a special event, or VIP, is being catered for later in the diagram?  Either way, don’t expect a 9-car next time sadly!


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 12, 2019, 09:59:00 am
Ah well that answers my question about where to stand next week...


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: NickB on June 12, 2019, 01:41:31 pm
Ah well that answers my question about where to stand next week...

On the roof?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 12, 2019, 06:14:00 pm
Beginning to feel like that isn't it?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: NickB on July 02, 2019, 07:14:42 am
Out of interest what is the relative seated capacity for Standard Class only of a 6 car turbo vs a 5 car IET ?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 02, 2019, 08:25:59 am
According to Wikipedia a 5 Car Set IET had 45 First Class, 270 Standard.

The Turbos don't appear to have seating capacity listed but according to Angel Trains (so there may be regional variations) a 165 has 264 std, 24 1st class seats per 3-car unit and 170 Std, 16 1st class seats per 2-car unit.

So quite a big reduction although chatting to some  passengers at Maidenhead who complained to GWR they were told the IET was an improvement.

Twyford is starting to resemble Maidenhead now with a lot more jockeying for position and bad behaviour.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: broadgage on July 02, 2019, 08:32:43 am
I think that the figure for first class IET seating is out of date.
45 First class seats was the original plan, but the GWR units were downgraded to 36 first class seats.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: stuving on July 02, 2019, 08:41:59 am
I think that the figure for first class IET seating is out of date.
45 First class seats was the original plan, but the GWR units were downgraded to 36 first class seats.

I'm not sure how that's a "downgrade". Squeezing three more first-class eats into the DPTF1 might be, though. If your unmet need is for a seat, especially a standard class one, both would be upgrades.

The current seating diagrams show 290+36.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 02, 2019, 09:35:08 am
I'm not sure how that's a "downgrade". Squeezing three more first-class eats into the DPTF1 might be, though. If your unmet need is for a seat, especially a standard class one, both would be upgrades.

The current seating diagrams show 290+36.

Broadgage always tries to shoehorn the words 'downgrade', 'DMU' and 'half-length' into every post.   Much like ASLEF usually manage to include 'bulldoze' at least once in their press releases.  ;)

Totals I believe are:

5-Car IET 290+36, total 324
9-Car IET 576+71, total 647

6-Car Turbo has a total of 477-528 depending on which layout it is formed of.

4-car 387 is 224
8-car 387 is 448
12-car 387 is 672

In the case of IETs and 387s all seats are spacious whereas the three abreast Turbo ones aren't, even if you're slim.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: didcotdean on July 02, 2019, 12:00:29 pm
There certainly are 'less than the best' classes of train covering some specific services in the Thames Valley at the moment: 5-carriage IETs on commuter stopping services from Oxford as here; 3-carriage turbos on Oxford fasts and the same running entirely under the wires to Reading etc. I don't doubt this is the best fit to the diagrams and what is available and capable of running, but is no consolation to those who have to bear the consequences. Maybe the jam will come tomorrow.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Celestial on July 02, 2019, 05:53:23 pm
Broadgage always tries to shoehorn the words 'downgrade', 'DMU' and 'half-length' into every post.   Much like ASLEF usually manage to include 'bulldoze' at least once in their press releases.  ;)


Broadgage bingo, a game everyone can play. Who can be first to shout "IET" after getting all the above, plus short-form and buffet.  A bottle of port is first prize, and runner up gets a £5 voucher to spend on the IET trolley, assuming it ever gets to you of course.  Playing at least once daily, for the next 37 years.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: jamestheredengine on July 02, 2019, 08:46:58 pm
In the case of IETs and 387s all seats are spacious

Except the ones with a door recess instead of a window. The wall seat on those seems very rarely to get taken, and for good reason.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Western Pathfinder on July 03, 2019, 11:38:24 pm
A little light relief,or main line fun from GWR .
That nice young man with his beard,Mr Tim Dunn has been looking at the Maidenhead Bridge and its history On behalf Of GWR, do watch it to the end .

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=338647363723880&id=345127331805&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FMllir4GATV&_rdr.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 11, 2019, 08:35:05 am
Absolutely rammed again although kudos to the driver (or train manager?) who declassified first class. I think this one of the first times I've seen this done outside of an incident or delays on a regular service. I think they did it yesterday as well but I had my headphones on by then.

If it becomes a regular thing I might go stand further up the platform but I'm guessing its dependent on the crew.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 11, 2019, 11:57:24 am
There’s a train manager on it as it makes calls at unstaffed stations en-route so they would make that decision.  It regularly loads to around 450 people, with 150-200 of those joining at Maidenhead, so one of the busiest GWR trains that are booked for a 5-car.

The planned 12-car 387 from December will be warmly welcomed!


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: sanfrandragon on July 12, 2019, 02:03:31 pm
De-classified 1st class yesterday, but refused to today.

Instead the train manager shooed everyone out, after announcing there were seats towards the front, quickly ammended to there being standing room at the front.  Well thanks very much for providing standing room!

It's also a lottery if 1st class is at the back or front of the train.

And this is during the relatively quiet summer.  It's going to be carnage once everyone gets back from their hols and I predict lost tempers all round.  What GWR were thinking with the change of train or how this is providing an acceptable service is beyond me.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Oxonhutch on July 12, 2019, 02:18:40 pm
I have successfully argued with the TM on two occasions that this train is automatically declassified as it it advertised in the Public Timetables as a standard class-only train. There is no mention of First Class on any of the journey feeds, nor on the platform information screens.   I did this in first class with a first class season ticket but being accompanied on both occasions by an offspring travelling with me to London with a standard plus 16-25 rail card.

If the service is not advertised as carrying first class it effectively doesn't carry it. That is why I don't use this train except in the company of my adult children as it carries no services and the pseudo-first class is full by Twyford and rammed by Maidenhead. By rights the 'First Class' seats should all be occupied after Goring and Streatley!


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on July 12, 2019, 04:44:12 pm
There's no seat reservations either although I haven't looked at Trainline to see if I can reserve them on a standard ticket as opposed to my season ticket. Not sure I fancy my chances of getting people to move though if I did have a reservation.

Even with first class available its still pretty cosy and options at that time are limited as the train before it from Twyford is also an 5 car IET and just as packed as its the only non stop train to Paddington.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 07, 2019, 07:48:30 pm
With details now much clearer, though still not 100% confirmed I thought I'd see what Maidenhead to London commuters can look forward to in the morning peak from December, against today.

Times covered are 06:30-08:45 departures which involve no more than two stops en-route, and journey times of no more than 35 minutes.

A train by train breakdown is listed below, but the headline estimated figure is an increase in carriages of 21 from 97, to 118.  Crucially in terms of the current crowding on the 07:01 5-car IET, the equivalent at 07:02 now becomes a 12-car 387, and the 07:08 equivalent at 07:07 remains a 9-car IET.  Six trains are formed of 12-car 387s against two currently.

As and when unconfirmed train lengths become certain I will update the list.

Today: (total of 97 carriages)
1P01 - 06:32 dep/06:54 arr - 8 car 387
1P02 - 06:42 dep/07:06 arr - 5 car IET
1P03 - 07:01 dep/07:24 arr - 5 car IET
1P04 - 07:08 dep/07:29 arr - 9 car IET
1P05 - 07:10 dep/07:36 arr - 8 car 387
1P06 - 07:18 dep/07:38 arr - 8 car 387
1P08 - 07:33 dep/07:55 arr - 12 car 387
1P09 - 07:44 dep/08:16 arr - 6 car Turbo
1P11 - 08:02 dep/08:24 arr - 12 car 387
1P81 - 08:06 dep/08:30 arr - 8 car 387
1K07 - 08:11 dep/08:41 arr - 5 car IET
1P15 - 08:32 dep/08:54 arr - 8 car 387

December: (total of 118 carriages)
1P92 - 06:33 dep/06:52 arr - 12 car 387
1P10 - 06:45 dep/07:05 arr - IET (assume 5-car as from Oxford)
1P75 - 07:02 dep/07:22 arr - 12 car 387
1P11 - 07:07 dep/07:24 arr - IET (assume 9-car as from Worcester)
1P76 - 07:15 dep/07:40 arr - 8 car 387 (length not confirmed)
1P77 - 07:32 dep/07:52 arr - 12 car 387
1K05 - 07:35 dep/07:54 arr - 8 car 387 (length not confirmed)
1P78 - 07:44 dep/08:19 arr - 8 car 387 (length not confirmed)
1P79 - 08:02 dep/08:22 arr - 12 car 387
1P80 - 08:14 dep/08:49 arr - 12 car 387 (hoped to be a 12-car - powers that be are working on it still)
1P81 - 08:31 dep/08:53 arr - 12 car 387
1P82 - 08:44 dep/09:09 arr - 8 car 387 (length not confirmed)


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 08, 2019, 09:18:32 am
We will see an improvement at Pangbourne (and thus at Cholsey, Goring and Tilehurst also).  There are more and longer peak hour trains from December.  I agree with II that RTT info is changing frequently: when timings first went up last week some of our “semi-fasts” – ie non-stop from Maidenhead – were showing as running RL to Padd. These are now all showing ML.

I’m a bit surprised that there are no significant accelerations: journey times Pangbourne – Padd on a semi fast will be very similar to the timings now.

Finally, as has been said, it looks like some trains aren’t in RTT yet – eg I assume there will be a 1649 Padd – Didcot semi-fast.



Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: janes on August 08, 2019, 02:12:21 pm
No it's not, it's a complete disaster! (for me anyway, as I commute from Tilehurst to Ealing Broadway) - NO local stopping services at all whatsoever in either the morning or evening peak apart from Crossrail trains (and to make it even worse that what I had expected, I can't even see their promised semifasts only calling at Reading/Twyford/Maidenhead/Slough/WD/EB/Pad, they all look like slower stoppers!)

So basically I'll either have to change at Reading or Maidenhead and endure a long, uncomfortable journey in a rattling cattle truck with no toilets or tables, or have go via Paddington in both the morning AND the evening, which is even worse than now, when I just have to do it in the evening. That option also will be much worse when the new Crossrail platforms come in as it will make changing at Paddington a lot more complicated on top of everything else.

Just don't understand why they are doing something that will unnecessarily INCREASE the number of people who need to change at Paddington, when the whole point of Crossrail was to do the opposite.... Grrrrr!!!


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 13, 2019, 10:53:04 am
Finally, as has been said, it looks like some trains aren’t in RTT yet – eg I assume there will be a 1649 Padd – Didcot semi-fast.

I think I assumed wrong.  Looks like this train isn't going to run from December: its path Padd-Rdg has got a better offer, and its path Rdg - Didcot is being filled by a new stopper from Padd leaving Rdg at the same time as the 1649 ex Padd does now ie 1725. I don't know what time Janes finishes but this train calls at Ealing Broadway at 1634.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 13, 2019, 11:01:17 am
12-car evening services are planned to be the 17:20, 17:50, 18:20 and 18:49 Paddington to Didcot services (17:20 and 18:20 detach a portion at Reading).


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: janes on August 14, 2019, 01:40:42 pm
"I don't know what time Janes finishes but this train calls at Ealing Broadway at 1634"

That would be an incredibly early finish for me - I tend to leave the office between 17:00 and 18:30 depending on the day of the week - and it's then a 10-15 minute walk to EB station (I can get so much more work done in that last hour or so once everyone else has gone home! :)) However to look on the marginally brighter side, it is still half an hour later than the last stopping service now, so may find myself using it on the odd occasion.

Still doesn't explain what has happened to the semifasts though...

And to bring the topic back to the actual thread (mods, I think some of these posts actually belong on the new timetable thread - but I was just replying to one that was there already, your honour!) - the situation is likely to result in the fast Twy-Mai-Pad trains being even more full of those of us from the local stations between Didcot and Reading who are turning back at Paddington to EB than they are now, because we are losing our two stopping options that we have now in the mornings which a lot of us use.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 16, 2019, 05:51:21 am
There's no seat reservations either although I haven't looked at Trainline to see if I can reserve them on a standard ticket as opposed to my season ticket. Not sure I fancy my chances of getting people to move though if I did have a reservation.

Even with first class available its still pretty cosy and options at that time are limited as the train before it from Twyford is also an 5 car IET and just as packed as its the only non stop train to Paddington.

No seats at all today.....

05:50 Oxford to London Paddington due 07:24
05:50 Oxford to London Paddington due 07:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on August 16, 2019, 08:33:42 am
I did think this is one way of dealing with over crowding as I stood waiting on the platform.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 02, 2019, 08:22:43 am
Late this morning as there appeared to be a new train scheduled before it. There was a 06.51 to Twyford - Henley waiting on the London platform this morning for several minutes which caused the London trains to be delayed. Bit of a surprise if anyone can shed any light on it?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: stuving on September 02, 2019, 09:57:17 am
Late this morning as there appeared to be a new train scheduled before it. There was a 06.51 to Twyford - Henley waiting on the London platform this morning for several minutes which caused the London trains to be delayed. Bit of a surprise if anyone can shed any light on it?

That confused me - you mean at Twyford.  The 6:51 isn't new, but it usually runs from P5. The Henley train should arrive from Reading at 5:45 and reverse in P4 for its first run on the branch. Today it was meant to come from Slough, for some reason, but the first Henley rotation was cancelled due to (guess what) "overrunning engineering works (I5)." So it arrived an hour later, when even a couple of minutes in P4 delays at least two trains.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 02, 2019, 10:39:02 am

ah - that makes sense. Glad its not going to be a regular occurrence as as you say it has quite a big knock on effect to other services.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: stuving on September 02, 2019, 10:46:54 am

ah - that makes sense. Glad its not going to be a regular occurrence as as you say it has quite a big knock on effect to other services.

Big? Two trains were five minutes or less late at Twyford and Maidenhead; both were back on time into Paddington. Was there anything else?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 02, 2019, 12:48:32 pm
Well you yourself said even a couple of minutes delay impacts at least two trains. It also doesn't seem to take much to knock the whole timetable off kilter but I was mainly looking at the 06.53 which is regularly slightly late in Paddington. Even a couple of minutes each day starts to get tedious on a regular commute especially on a train that is so crowded.

Still it was a one off so crisis averted.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: NickB on September 19, 2019, 06:58:51 pm
The announcers at Maidenhead have, this week, taken a new approach to managing the 7.01 - ‘Project Fear’ 😁

The arrival of the 7.01 is now preceded by a del station that it is ‘extremely busy and full and standing and formed of only 5 coaches’. Instead of boarding customers should move to platform 2 for the 7.08 ‘which has 9 coaches’.

This has had the effect of making the 7.08 ‘full and standing’ so no gain there. Maybe I’ll start a thread about the 7.08...

They also managed to balls this up on Tuesday when the 7.08 was shortformed resulting in the 7.01 leaving relatively empty and the 7.08 leaving passengers on the platform. Slow hand clap.

I’m curious about how the announcer knows that it is full and standing in advance. Does the train manager call ahead or, as I suspect, the announcer is making it up as he goes?


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 20, 2019, 01:53:27 pm
I expect they're just trying to help even out the number of people over the two trains as best as possible until the improvements in December?  Two very full trains is better than one incredibly full train and one full train I suppose?  Not a bad thing, unless the 07:08 is a 5-car.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: Sixty3Closure on September 20, 2019, 02:06:38 pm
I did wonder if there had been some changes at Maidenhead as the number of people waiting and then standing has seemed slightly less than usual. I assumed they'd just declassified first class and everyone was stood there.

I think its was Wednesday when the 06.43 at Twyford was cancelled/delayed/evaporated which meant the 06.53/07.01 was completely packed even before it arrived at Maidenhead.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 20, 2019, 05:44:41 pm
I expect they're just trying to help even out the number of people over the two trains as best as possible until the improvements in December? 

There speaks an optimist!  :)


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: grahame on September 20, 2019, 05:59:27 pm
I’m curious about how the announcer knows that it is full and standing in advance. Does the train manager call ahead or, as I suspect, the announcer is making it up as he goes?

Don't the IETs have systems for monitoring the relative loading in carriages - be that weight or numbers through the doors.  A bit of automatic calculation on there will suggest an answer, as well as feeding the new information systems which are starting to show which carriages are best to join.


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 20, 2019, 06:23:05 pm
I expect they're just trying to help even out the number of people over the two trains as best as possible until the improvements in December? 

There speaks an optimist!  :)

Quite optimistic about this one, as the 07:01 5-car IET becomes an 07:02 formed by a 12-car 387.  :P


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 21, 2019, 08:55:24 am
I’m curious about how the announcer knows that it is full and standing in advance. Does the train manager call ahead or, as I suspect, the announcer is making it up as he goes?

Don't the IETs have systems for monitoring the relative loading in carriages - be that weight or numbers through the doors.  A bit of automatic calculation on there will suggest an answer, as well as feeding the new information systems which are starting to show which carriages are best to join.

IETs do have that facility based on a counting system.  There’s also advanced plans to provide real-time data to staff (and passengers) based on mobile phone signals.  I believe this is the research scheme:

https://ts.catapult.org.uk/current-projects/railwatch/

https://gtr.ukri.org/projects?ref=103968


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: stuving on September 21, 2019, 09:42:32 am
What was specified for IEP came in two parts. The counting system per se was required to count people through the doors, both on/off and between coaches, to give occupancy per coach to 5% or one person. The result of that was to be available on board in the TMS, and remotely at control.

The second part was a single sentence within the passenger information spcification: "The PIS must utilise the data from the passenger counting system to indicate to passengers within the IEP Train the status of the occupancy of each IEP Vehicle." I don't think that exists - at least I've never noticed it. In which case it's hard to tell whether tthe counting system itself is operational.

It would make sense to have something that puts loading information on line, or in stations, etc., drawing its data from whatever sources there are. Presumably a built-in counter should be better than one installed on a few platforms, and counting phones might (or might not - lots of assumptions there) be quite good as well, and in any case be cheaper to implement widely. But note - that's a "should", not a "will".


Title: Re: 7.01 from Maidenhead to Paddington
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 21, 2019, 09:49:54 am
‘Occupancy’ columns have started to appear on industry systems, though not yet populated with any data, indicating that implementation for some trains at least is imminent.



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