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Title: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 13, 2018, 20:39:46
A little bit different this one - a mixture of old and new.  Over recent weeks, I have written in "Frequent Posters" of the passing of John Money; what I haven't said much about is the quantity of material he left with no home for it to go to; alas, much to house clearance and, sadly landfill - in spite of such sorting and cataloguing of much of it.  Some items John left a note for me to have, and after I had helped find a couple of other items that were wanted I was offered and took the opportunity of saving railway books, videos and photo albums.   

I know where most of these were taken, and I have mixed mine, John's and a few others from his collection. John would have love people to look through them while he talked (and talked  ;D ) about them.  What can you tell me of the where and the when.

0. Ryde Esplanade - Rogerw
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_00.jpg)

1. Seaton - PhilWakely
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_01.jpg)

2. Swindon - Lee
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_02.jpg)

3. Gloucester - Chris from Nailsea
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_03.jpg)

4. Crich - eightonedee
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_04.jpg)

5. Coombe Down Tunnel, Bath - Timmer
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_05.jpg)

6. Salisbury - brooklea
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_06.jpg)

7. Goose Green - Stuving
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_07.jpg)

8. Probably not Evercreech Junction, nor Taunton ... (I don't know either! - G)
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08.jpg)

9. Worcester Shrub Hill - chuffed
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_09.jpg)


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: rogerw on September 13, 2018, 21:00:36
0 Ryde Esplanade


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Timmer on September 13, 2018, 21:05:28
5 Entrance to Combe Down tunnel Bath on the old and sadly no longer S&D. Often a double header to get the train up the steep gradient out of Bath. Now part of the excellent Two Tunnels walking/cycle path.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: chuffed on September 13, 2018, 21:15:52
9. Worcester Shrub Hill cast iron waiting room?


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bobm on September 13, 2018, 21:17:13
0 Ryde Esplanade

And by the looks of it, while both platforms were still in use.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: brooklea on September 13, 2018, 21:31:54
6 Salisbury


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: eightonedee on September 13, 2018, 22:32:53
4 - Crich Tramway Museum


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 13, 2018, 22:38:43
No8 Evercreech ?.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 13, 2018, 22:49:04
No8 Evercreech ?.

I don't actually know where this one was taken.  It might be .. would love other opinions


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2018, 00:06:31
No, 8. is not Evercreech Junction.  That was curved platforms, with much wider trackbed between them.

I cannot suggest any alternative location, just at the moment - but I'm still digging!  ;D



Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: JayMac on September 14, 2018, 00:18:39
I cannot suggest any alternative location, just at the moment

What about Taunton?  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2018, 00:26:41
As any fule kno (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_fule_kno), that is not Taunton.  ;)



Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: JayMac on September 14, 2018, 00:45:53
7. Somewhere between Peckham Rye and Embankment in London?


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2018, 01:16:15
Meanwhile:  3. is on Eastgate Street, in Gloucester.  ;)



Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 01:41:22
7. Somewhere between Peckham Rye and Embankment in London?

Close ... but you would probably have cause a tram to get to this location if you were between Peckham Rye and the Embankment.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: stuving on September 14, 2018, 08:34:19
7. Somewhere between Peckham Rye and Embankment in London?

Close ... but you would probably have cause a tram to get to this location if you were between Peckham Rye and the Embankment.

Turning left from Grove Vale into East Dulwich Road.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 14, 2018, 08:48:15
1. Southern Rly O2, photo taken between 1932 and 1945. Headcode may suggest somewhere near Southampton, along with the bridge in the background. The Southampton Dock to Brockenhurst was one route for the headcode. There were a number of others but only Exeter to Ilfracombe might tie in with the river behind.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 09:05:30
1. Southern Rly O2, photo taken between 1932 and 1945. Headcode may suggest somewhere near Southampton, along with the bridge in the background. The Southampton Dock to Brockenhurst was one route for the headcode. There were a number of others but only Exeter to Ilfracombe might tie in with the river behind.

Railway, loco, I agree.  None of those routes though - somewhere between the places you mention.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 09:07:31
7. Somewhere between Peckham Rye and Embankment in London?

Close ... but you would probably have cause a tram to get to this location if you were between Peckham Rye and the Embankment.

Turning left from Grove Vale into East Dulwich Road.

Yes.  My label says "Goose Green" and Google confirms these two roads border Goose Green.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 14, 2018, 09:21:42

This page gives a list of choices for that time period
http://www.semgonline.com/headcodes/sheadcodes/06.html


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: PhilWakely on September 14, 2018, 09:41:48
1. Seaton (at least the bridge looks like the one between Seaton and Axmouth)


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 14, 2018, 10:56:07
Yes, that seems to be the one, before the new bridge was built.
The correct headcode for this line was one disc, right smokebox, during the period from 1934.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: rogerw on September 14, 2018, 16:28:04
My initial thought was also Seaton before the new bridge was built


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: chuffed on September 14, 2018, 17:13:09
Was the original bridge the first to be made of concrete, or is it the present one ?


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 17:14:49
1. Seaton (at least the bridge looks like the one between Seaton and Axmouth)

Yes - it is Seaton; included because John M was a tram driver on the Seaton Tramway for many years.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 17:17:07
Just two pictures remaining to be placed

2. Swindon - Lee
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_02.jpg)

8.
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08.jpg)


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Lee on September 14, 2018, 20:11:20
Number 2 - Swindon?


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2018, 20:19:10
Number 2 - Swindon?

Yes, it is.

Just need a pub called "The Office" to of with "The Waiting Room" and "The Doctors"


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 14, 2018, 20:25:49
Built in 1877, the engineer being Philip Bannon.
Historic England listing is given in the link.

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1020419


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 14, 2018, 20:43:38
Number 8
Could that be in East Anglia, the sidings being used for the grain trade?. Fakenham has some similarities but is mentioned as an illustration


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2018, 09:04:00
Number 8
Could that be in East Anglia, the sidings being used for the grain trade?. Fakenham has some similarities but is mentioned as an illustration

It could be East Anglia - at the time John lived in London and talked much of BBC films of the closures there during the 1960s. I suspect he made trips to places.  Appreciate that Fakenham is just an example - I don't think that's where it is based on the online picture I can see of East and the earlier lost West stations.

Built in 1877, the engineer being Philip Bannon.
Historic England listing is given in the link.

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1020419

Many thanks for that ... diary date, 28th April 2019 - I'm helping / hoping to plan a trip to Seaton.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Lee on September 15, 2018, 10:06:30
Number 8
Could that be in East Anglia, the sidings being used for the grain trade?. Fakenham has some similarities but is mentioned as an illustration

It could be East Anglia - at the time John lived in London and talked much of BBC films of the closures there during the 1960s. I suspect he made trips to places.  Appreciate that Fakenham is just an example - I don't think that's where it is based on the online picture I can see of East and the earlier lost West stations.

I've brought in Robert Humm on this - Here is their initial take:

Quote from: Robert Humm & Co
Apart from the large goods shed there are also a maltings? (right) and a nissen hut?? (left). If not a terminus the line must have left the station on a tight curve. Nb that's not a railway wagon by the platform.

Does that help at all?


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2018, 11:43:54
Number 8
Could that be in East Anglia, the sidings being used for the grain trade?. Fakenham has some similarities but is mentioned as an illustration

It could be East Anglia - at the time John lived in London and talked much of BBC films of the closures there during the 1960s. I suspect he made trips to places.  Appreciate that Fakenham is just an example - I don't think that's where it is based on the online picture I can see of East and the earlier lost West stations.

I've brought in Robert Humm on this - Here is their initial take:

Quote from: Robert Humm & Co
Apart from the large goods shed there are also a maltings? (right) and a nissen hut?? (left). If not a terminus the line must have left the station on a tight curve. Nb that's not a railway wagon by the platform.

Does that help at all?

Useful clues ... surprisingly hard. 

I have turned up the album the picture was in (for context) and these four are also on the double page spread:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08a.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08b.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08c.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08d.jpg)

For completeness in this post (I may split to a separate thread) here is the original picture.
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/jmtr_08.jpg)

John was very good at sorting and cataloguing - this album could be characterised as "double spreads of interring places not on [my] usual stamping grounds".  Separate albums for London Underground, Seaton Junction, etc.  I am thinking East Anglia or perhaps a bit north thereof, but really no firm views ...


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 15, 2018, 12:43:25

I have replied on Twitter to this effect.
The waiting shed is of a design seen on some stations in the link below.
Additionally the picture of the main building seems to be a Great Eastern one
https://www.eastanglianrailwayarchive.co.uk/Railways/Abandoned-Lines-and-Stations/
Compiling of a list of stations with that style of waiting shelter from those in the link might give a clue. I will try later on today.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2018, 12:48:24

I have replied on Twitter to this effect.
The waiting shed is of a design seen on some stations in the link below.
Additionally the picture of the main building seems to be a Great Eastern one
https://www.eastanglianrailwayarchive.co.uk/Railways/Abandoned-Lines-and-Stations/
Compiling of a list of stations with that style of waiting shelter from those in the link might give a clue. I will try later on today.

Much appreciated ... this is not proving anything like as easy as I expected!


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 15, 2018, 13:29:53
Stations, from the East Anglian Railway Archive, which show a waiting shed like the one here are:
Middle Drove- Watlington to Wisbech line
 Stretham, near Ely
Swaffham, Thetford to Swaffham Railway
Whatton, Thetford to Swaffham Railway

So perhaps we are looking at the western part of Norfolk. Now one just has to look to see which one it might be!


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Lee on September 15, 2018, 13:43:19
You know what, I'm quite liking Swaffham for this - http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swaffham/index.shtml


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Lee on September 15, 2018, 14:20:24
So, thanks to bradshaw's lead narrowing down the field, we have a confirmed match with Robert Humm in favour of Swaffham. To illustrate from http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swaffham/index.shtml :

Identical Goods Shed and it's position relative to the waiting shelter

(http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swaffham/sw15.jpg)

(http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swaffham/sw18.jpg)

Identical station building platform-side

(http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swaffham/sw29.jpg)


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: bradshaw on September 15, 2018, 14:49:37
Robert Humm’s Twitter feed on #whatstation is an excellent way to get help in identifying railway locations. Every so often they will produce a run of about 30 they need help on. So far, with assistance from their followers, all have been identified.


Title: Re: When and where, and John's, mine or print?
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 16, 2018, 12:09:26
And it seems the station building and SM's house (https://goo.gl/maps/7Gd7p62b5bw) still exists.

The original goods shed has been incorporated into a garage also



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