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Title: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 11:22:17
On a damp September day ... let's take a look back to six of the more depressing pictures I have taken this summer ... many will be easily identified from previous posts.   Where are they - one each please!

0 (bonus) Dublin Heuston - Adelante_CCT
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_00.jpg)

1. Worcester Shrub Hill - IndustryInsider
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_01.jpg)

2. Bristol Temple Meads - eXPassenger
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_02.jpg)

3. Bath Bus Station - Bignosemac
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_03.jpg)

4. Imber - eightf48544
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_04.jpg)

5. Coatbridge Central - Stuving
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_05.jpg)

6.
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_06.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eXPassenger on September 23, 2018, 11:33:32
Is 2 the Royal Mail building at Temple Meads?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightf48544 on September 23, 2018, 11:37:58
No 4 Imber


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: CMRail on September 23, 2018, 11:40:43
Is 2 Reading Station new side entrance?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 23, 2018, 11:44:55
1 is Worcester Shrub Hill I think?  The old goods lifts which were rumoured to be reinstated and brought into use for passengers a few years ago but I’ve heard nothing since.  Not surprising given the pace of change at Worcester I suppose!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 11:48:26
Correct so far ... sorry, no. 2 is not Reading ...

1. Worcester Shrub Hill - IndustryInsider

2. Bristol Temple Meads - eXPassenger

4. Imber - eightf48544


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 11:49:55
1 is Worcester Shrub Hill I think?  The old goods lifts which were rumoured to be reinstated and brought into use for passengers a few years ago but I’ve heard nothing since.  Not surprising given the pace of change at Worcester I suppose!

I did wonder ... the lack of wheelchair access to platforms 2 and 3 is noticeable.

Do any passenger trains use platform 3??


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: ellendune on September 23, 2018, 12:09:23
0 Southampton Airport Parkway?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: paul7575 on September 23, 2018, 12:59:18
0 Southampton Airport Parkway?
0 Somewhere in “foreign parts”...


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 13:44:29
0 Southampton Airport Parkway?
0 Somewhere in “foreign parts”...

Depends what you call "foreign" ...  ;D


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 23, 2018, 14:54:37
1 is Worcester Shrub Hill I think?  The old goods lifts which were rumoured to be reinstated and brought into use for passengers a few years ago but I’ve heard nothing since.  Not surprising given the pace of change at Worcester I suppose!

I did wonder ... the lack of wheelchair access to platforms 2 and 3 is noticeable.

Do any passenger trains use platform 3??

Passengers can cross on the 'barrow crossing' at the end of the platforms with staff assistance.  Hardly customer friendly though - especially in inclement weather.  Trains formed of up to two 20m long vehicles can use Platform 3, so now many of the 150s have been replaced by 165s it sees less use than ever.  You can just squeeze a 2-car formed of 23m in as well, but the rear cab is then behind a brick wall so not ideal for despatch!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: stuving on September 23, 2018, 23:02:40
5 was Coatbridge Central in July, so it probably still is.

PS: knowing the identical image had been posted before, I set Google to image search for it - it failed. However, the forum's own search (Graham's new "improvised" one) found it from its URL!.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2018, 23:06:47
Wild guess for 3.

Bath Bus Station?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 23:07:37
5 was Coatbridge Central in July, so it probably still is.

PS: knowing the identical image had been posted before, I set Goggle to image search for it - it failed. However, the forum's own search (Graham's new "improvised" one) found it from its URL!.

It still is in September  ;D ;D

To show that our rail doesn't have a monopoly on crap, the three left are Scotland, Ireland and bus ... does that help?

Glad the improvised search is working.  Hopefully a new, improved and integrated search for Christmas


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 23:14:10
Wild guess for 3.

Bath Bus Station?

Yes, exactly ...

Wikipedia tells me.
Quote
The new Bath Bus Station opened on Sunday 7 June 2009, at a cost of £14 million

The pigeon ingress is utterly frustrating.  In recent months the destination boards above the bays have been fixed and the birds can now only congregate of the emergency roof access ladder, so the problem is now concentrated in this area ... and is utterly frustrating to get fixed between the major bus operator, landlord and contract cleaning crew.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2018, 23:18:55
... and is utterly frustrating to get fixed between the major bus operator, landlord and contract cleaning crew.

Well, it is a sh*t job!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: SandTEngineer on September 23, 2018, 23:21:26
Wild guess for 3.

Bath Bus Station?

Yes, exactly ...

Wikipedia tells me.
Quote
The new Bath Bus Station opened on Sunday 7 June 2009, at a cost of £14 million

The pigeon ingress is utterly frustrating.  In recent months the destination boards above the bays have been fixed and the birds can now only congregate of the emergency roof access ladder, so the problem is now concentrated in this area ... and is utterly frustrating to get fixed between the major bus operator, landlord and contract cleaning crew.

I think I mentioned elsewhere that certain parts of the 'new' Reading are looking the same.....  :P


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: JayMac on September 23, 2018, 23:23:38
Time to get the birds of prey in.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 23, 2018, 23:27:00
Time to get the birds of prey in.

Has been discussed!   Not sure of outcome of said discussion!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: martyjon on September 24, 2018, 02:07:48
It works in Bristol's Millennium Square, the two birds of prey kites flying over the @Bristol, sorry the renamed @Bristol building, now We The Curious.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: ellendune on September 24, 2018, 07:48:45
We have real Red Kites and Buzzards flying over all the time here and we still have pigeons!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: chuffed on September 24, 2018, 08:09:22
Send for Tom Lehrer !

https://youtu.be/yhuMLpdnOjY


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: bobm on September 24, 2018, 08:47:20
It works in Bristol's Millennium Square, the two birds of prey kites flying over the @Bristol, sorry the renamed @Bristol building, now We The Curious.

Works at Paddington too

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/prey.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: bobm on September 24, 2018, 09:42:31
...but it doesn't work in Teignmouth

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/prey2.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightf48544 on September 24, 2018, 10:27:25
0 Ireland

Re kites and buzzards don't you need Perigine Falcons to catch pigeons. The ICE 3s of the bird world


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: bobm on September 24, 2018, 10:44:18
Sparrowhawk will take out a pigeon given the chance.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: martyjon on September 24, 2018, 11:00:45
...but it doesn't work in Teignmouth

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/prey2.jpg)


But that decoy looks like its fixed to a fixed pole, the kites in Bristol are free flying kites and there of two of them in close proximity to each other.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 24, 2018, 11:11:41
0 Ireland

Correct ... but can anyone be a bit more specific?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: ray951 on September 24, 2018, 12:05:03
That clock looks like DART green to me, so somewhere in the Dublin area? Although wasn't aware that DART has 10 car trains.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 24, 2018, 12:40:37
0 = Dublin Heuston through platform


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 24, 2018, 14:43:07
That clock looks like DART green to me, so somewhere in the Dublin area? Although wasn't aware that DART has 10 car trains.

0 = Dublin Heuston through platform

Oh gosh - if I were a pedant I would not accept that answer ... I think it used to be a through platform, but there's a buffer stop on the end of it now and it's just an extra platform somewhat separate from the main station. The photo is taken from a train on the through line having come out of Phoenix Park Tunnel ... no platform on that through line though.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 24, 2018, 15:35:58
I think it used to be a through platform, but there's a buffer stop on the end of it now and it's just an extra platform somewhat separate from the main station. The photo is taken from a train on the through line having come out of Phoenix Park Tunnel ... no platform on that through line though.

Just checked my camera.  Yep ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_000.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 25, 2018, 10:23:11
Just one remaining

Quote
6.
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_06.jpg)

Perhaps the least worst.  At least it's bright and pretty.   Long way away ... I will fill you in tonight if no-one gets it.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: martyjon on September 25, 2018, 11:48:16
Just one remaining
Quote
6.
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gone_06.jpg)
Perhaps the least worst.  At least it's bright and pretty.   Long way away ... I will fill you in tonight if no-one gets it.

Wouldn't be Galashiels by any chance would it ?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 25, 2018, 17:58:26
Appledore on the only railway with a ‘!’ in its name.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightonedee on September 25, 2018, 20:49:08
Are we back on the Far North Line?

One of the less bleak and open stations that has been "singled" at some time in the past?

Is that enough (in football terms) to be an assist to enable one of our more knowledgeable colleagues to  score in the dying minutes of the game, or earn extra time?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 25, 2018, 21:39:53
Are we back on the Far North Line?

One of the less bleak and open stations that has been "singled" at some time in the past?

Is that enough (in football terms) to be an assist to enable one of our more knowledgeable colleagues to  score in the dying minutes of the game, or earn extra time?

In footballing terms, it's looking like the ball is going just wide of the goal.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightonedee on September 25, 2018, 22:12:45
Muir of Ord?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 26, 2018, 08:27:11
Muir of Ord?

Sorry - no.  It's on the Kyle Line - Attadale I believe although the mobile signal only phone appears to have been poor so the lat, long data I have is shaky.  May be Strathcarron ... certainly west of Achnashellach and I think short of Kyle of Lochalsh.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightonedee on September 26, 2018, 13:16:13
Using google, I am pretty certain that this is Stromeferry, as it's the only one in this area I can find with a disused platform and a stone wall


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 26, 2018, 14:18:45
Using google, I am pretty certain that this is Stromeferry, as it's the only one in this area I can find with a disused platform and a stone wall

I am pretty certain you are right  ;D


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 26, 2018, 14:27:13
Seems consistent with this view: https://goo.gl/maps/XwP4sfos87C2


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: stuving on September 26, 2018, 20:18:17
Seems consistent with this view: https://goo.gl/maps/XwP4sfos87C2

Those oh-so-assiduous picture and plan makers at National Rail's "Stations Made Easy" have been to Stromeferry, of course, and their picture is much clearer:
(http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/images/SMEHotspotDetails/SME_STF/o3142-0000013.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: Lee on September 26, 2018, 20:58:09
Here's the 1963 view for comparison:

(http://www.ambaile.org.uk/preview/en/27919/1/EN27919-Strome%20Ferry%20Station%20from%20the%20rear%20of%20.jpg)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 26, 2018, 21:05:22
Here's the 1963 view for comparison:

That's interesting.  I'm guessing there really was a ferry in those days ... the road ran from Kyle of Lochalsh up to the Strome Ferry which crossed Loch Carron ... rail only on to Strathcarron along the south side of the loch.

Putting in the road was tough engineering, and the section now has a rock slide issue.  Notes the other day that the road is to be closed for 12 weeks with rubber mats over the rails to let cars share.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: bobm on September 26, 2018, 21:17:48
Notes the other day that the road is to be closed for 12 weeks with rubber mats over the rails to let cars share.

More details here - https://www.highland.gov.uk/info/1523/transport_and_streets/104/stromeferry_bypass (https://www.highland.gov.uk/info/1523/transport_and_streets/104/stromeferry_bypass)


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: froome on September 27, 2018, 08:23:33
Here's the 1963 view for comparison:

That's interesting.  I'm guessing there really was a ferry in those days ... the road ran from Kyle of Lochalsh up to the Strome Ferry which crossed Loch Carron ... rail only on to Strathcarron along the south side of the loch.

Putting in the road was tough engineering, and the section now has a rock slide issue.  Notes the other day that the road is to be closed for 12 weeks with rubber mats over the rails to let cars share.

The ferry ran until 1970, when the road along the south bank of Loch Carron was completed. It was one of the last of Scotland's coastal ferries to close, and personally I would like to see it reinstated. The village has died since then, by-passed by traffic shooting along the road, and having cycled along it myself, taking a ferry across to North Strome would be a far more pleasant and civilised way to head up that coast.

The road itself is dramatic, having been carved out of sheer rock in places, and has been suffering since from landslips, which have closed it several times. This has meant the ferry being temporarily reinstated a couple of times in the last 10 years.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: bradshaw on September 27, 2018, 08:29:33
From Wikipaedia
Stroke Ferry lies next to the narrowest part of Loch Carron and for many years, there was a ferry service here to North Strome. This provided a link with the first road built in 1809 along the north side of the loch.[2] Completion of the Stromeferry bypass (A890) along the south-eastern shore of the loch made the ferry service redundant and it ceased operating in 1970. At that time, there were two vessels providing the service. The larger of the two, Pride of Strome, measuring 16m long x 5m wide, was built in 1962 by Forbes of Sandhaven.[3] The smaller, Strome Castle, measuring 9m long x 3m wide, was built in 1958 by Nobles of Fraserburgh.[4] Both boats now lie wrecked on the shore of Loch Carron between North Strome and Lochcarron.

A ferry service has been restarted a number of times when rock falls closed the road.

The current use of the rail line for cars was the subject of a short video on Twitter the other day;
 https://mobile.twitter.com/btpnorthscot/status/1044219984157773824


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightonedee on September 27, 2018, 22:33:26
I think the village was doomed to be depopulated early. It's on a narrow north-facing ledge ledge on the side of the loch, with quite a high hill behind shading it form the sun - it must be a cold and gloomy place in winter. Unlike pretty Duirnish or Plockton!


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2018, 23:37:59
I love this picture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromeferry#/media/File:Stromeferry-no_ferry.jpg)

and from Wikipedia:

Quote
Observance of the Sabbath was strong in the Highlands in the 19th century and the railway company's running of trains on Sundays caused considerable controversy among the local population. On 3 June 1883, Stromeferry was the scene of a Sabbatarian riot in which over 200 fishermen took possession of the railway terminus to prevent the unloading of fish on a Sunday. Ten men were imprisoned as a result. The involvement of both police and military in breaking the riot was questioned in the House of Commons where it was stated that there was no law preventing Sunday traffic in Scotland.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: froome on September 28, 2018, 08:45:53
I love this picture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromeferry#/media/File:Stromeferry-no_ferry.jpg)

There is a very good reason for that sign. If a car, or worse a larger vehicle, does drive down the steep lane into the village (or township as it would be known in Scotland) it would find it extremely difficult to turn round at the bottom, as the lane literally just goes into the slipway into the loch. The tuning space here is very limited.

and from Wikipedia:

Quote
Observance of the Sabbath was strong in the Highlands in the 19th century and the railway company's running of trains on Sundays caused considerable controversy among the local population. On 3 June 1883, Stromeferry was the scene of a Sabbatarian riot in which over 200 fishermen took possession of the railway terminus to prevent the unloading of fish on a Sunday. Ten men were imprisoned as a result. The involvement of both police and military in breaking the riot was questioned in the House of Commons where it was stated that there was no law preventing Sunday traffic in Scotland.

Running any sort of service on the Sabbath was a major cause of resentment in Highland communities in the 19th century, just as the idea of running ferry services to the Outer Hebrides was until quite recently.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: stuving on September 28, 2018, 09:42:58
I think the village was doomed to be depopulated early. It's on a narrow north-facing ledge ledge on the side of the loch, with quite a high hill behind shading it form the sun - it must be a cold and gloomy place in winter. Unlike pretty Duirnish or Plockton!

I think the real reason why what was built as a large station became a minor one quite soon after, and a very small one after road transport became available in the area, can be found in the rest of the Wikipedia entry:
Quote
The station opened for passenger traffic on 19 August 1870[4]
...
The station was destroyed by fire along with a train of 14 vehicles on 16 October 1891.[6]

For the first 27 years of its existence it was the line's terminus, bringing prosperity to the village. Steamer services linked to Portree on Skye, and Stornoway on Lewis. With the opening of the extension to Kyle of Lochalsh, steamer services were transferred there.


So at the time of that riot, fish was being unloaded from a large local fleet at the main railhead, which soon after transferred to Kyle.

You may think you can guess what the original station and pier were like from what's there now. But that doesn't work; if you look at the two available 25" maps (1875 and 1902) in NLS and especially use the georeferenced option to overlay the second with a satellite image, you'll see that it was very different. The much more extensive facilities of suitable for a terminus and its goods pier have gone (though I imagine traces remain), and smaller ones been built in their place.


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: eightonedee on September 28, 2018, 22:45:57
Do you think it is a fear of attack by extreme sabbatarians that keeps so many GWR staff at home on Sundays these days?


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: Umberleigh on September 29, 2018, 09:11:36
Is 2 Reading Station new side entrance?

Now that is funny


Title: Re: Six of the worst
Post by: grahame on October 25, 2018, 14:10:47
Notes the other day that the road is to be closed for 12 weeks with rubber mats over the rails to let cars share.

More details here - https://www.highland.gov.uk/info/1523/transport_and_streets/104/stromeferry_bypass (https://www.highland.gov.uk/info/1523/transport_and_streets/104/stromeferry_bypass)

The railway section was Kyle of Lochalsh to Strathcarron, necessitating long road closures when a train was in section even if it was many miles away.   But now the North Stay News (https://www.north-star-news.co.uk/News/Stromeferry-bypass-delays-slashed-by-new-train-signals-25102018.htm) tells us

Quote
A NEW signalling system designed to ease traffic congestion during major roadworks on the Stromeferry bypass has now gone live.

As reported last week, rail network, Highland Council and road transport chiefs had been hoping to install temporary rail signals closer to the site on the A890 – in a bid to reduce the time that a temporary bypass onto the rail tracks remains closed.

Before the new signals went in, the signalling section ran all the way from Kyle of Lochalsh to Strathcarron station, meaning that the road had to stay closed when a train was located anywhere between those two stops – despite being miles from the scene.

To slash that waiting time, Network Rail has installed temporary stop boards and an automatic warning system for trains approaching Stromeferry which will allow services to be brought to a halt before reaching the road diversion.

The new signals, which Network Rail chiefs said would essentially act like a level crossing, went live on Saturday. They are expected to slash the window when the road will be closed to as little as 20 minutes at a time.

It said it hoped the compromise will prove effective at balancing the needs of rail users with those of the wider community, adding that it cannot suspend train services on any railway.

Simon Constable, head of route safety for Network Rail Scotland, said: "We have been working closely with Highland Council and our industry partners to find a solution which maintains safety on the railway while improving waiting times for motorists.

[article continues]

I have to wonder why such a system wasn't put in place earlier ...



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