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Title: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: rogerw on November 19, 2018, 07:50:13
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46258720 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46258720)

At least Filton bank opened on time


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Timmer on November 19, 2018, 08:51:16
Another day of shockingly poor service for SWR’s customers.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2018, 09:02:28
Whilst blame doesn't lie with SWR, they have to handle the fallout. And it looks like they're not doing a very good job communicating.

Sadly it appears to be another example of FirstGroup's Maxwell touch. Thats the polar opposite of the Midas touch. Named after Robert Maxwell - everything he touched turning to s***.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: stuving on November 19, 2018, 10:28:20
As of 10:16:
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All lines have reopened between Surbiton and London Waterloo as the overrunning engineering work has now been completed. As trains and train crew are in the wrong locations for their next duty, services will remain severely disrupted for the rest of today.

Despite the way the news has been presented, most Windsor Lines services were running, though with a few gaps due to missing stock. Reading trains were worse than that, most delayed and some missing, but that was our old friend "signalling at Earley" having a bit of a strop.

And then, a little to the east:
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Trains across the whole Southern and Thameslink network may be delayed, cancelled or revised this morning, this is due to earlier overrunning engineering work at various locations.
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Following planned weekend engineering works over running, all lines have re-opened in the London Victoria area.

Additionally, a freight train is currently blocking the line in the Haydons Road area. This train was supposed to cross over onto the Wessex route earlier this morning but has been unable to due to overunning engineering works in the Surbiton area. Due to no alternative routes being available for the train to take the southbound line is currently blocked. Attempts are being made to move the train off the route as the engineering works have concluded, however as this took place a Track Circuit failed at Wimbledon and is now requiring further attention from Network Rail specialist signalling technicians.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 19, 2018, 11:10:08
I was never called a 'SPECIALIST' signal technician in my time in the S&T.  Can't repeat here what I was called at times, though...... ::)


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2018, 11:22:31
Whilst blame doesn't lie with SWR, they have to handle the fallout. And it looks like they're not doing a very good job communicating.

Correspondents here too.....The subject line is incorrect, as noted by posts above.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: stuving on November 19, 2018, 11:38:57
I was never called a 'SPECIALIST' signal technician in my time in the S&T.  Can't repeat here what I was called at times, though...... ::)

It's odd, isn't it? I guess they say that to make it sound as if these are a superior kind of technician, not the ordinary ones who know very little. But if it means anything in this kind of highly technical field, it means someone who has only been trained on a limited range of equipment, and can't be sent out to fix any fault anywhere. In other words, the equivalent of semi-skilled (but when did you last hear that used?) - after all the French equivalent of that is ouvrier specialisé (which you don't hear much these days either).


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2018, 12:12:45
Correspondents here too.....The subject line is incorrect, as noted by posts above.

Do you mean the thread title? What's incorrect about it?


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2018, 12:18:30
Waterloo was severely disrupted, not 'closed'


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Electric train on November 19, 2018, 18:32:37
Simple sequence of events ……….. as I understand it.

  • Defective rail need to be replaced, just routine work that had been planned in.
    Defective rails had been removed.
    RRV runs through a set of points in the wrong direction thus damaging the points, something that should not happen but sadly does.
    Whole team stood down for 3 hours for a safety brief /investigation
    Re-rail team informs NR that they will not complete intime
    At this time SWR Shunters had gone off shift, mainline drives do not have route knowledge for depots.
Melt down!!!!





Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Oxonhutch on November 19, 2018, 21:00:28
Point 4 appears to be the major problem - was that really necessary? Then Point 6 - what happened to the real [multi-tasking] railway workers?


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2018, 21:08:49
Simple sequence of events ……….. as I understand it.

  • Defective rail need to be replaced, just routine work that had been planned in.
    Defective rails had been removed.
    RRV runs through a set of points in the wrong direction thus damaging the points, something that should not happen but sadly does.
    Whole team stood down for 3 hours for a safety brief /investigation
    Re-rail team informs NR that they will not complete intime
    At this time SWR Shunters had gone off shift, mainline drives do not have route knowledge for depots.
Melt down!!!!

What was the issue with NR staff unwilling to tamp that I've heard of elsewhere?


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: bradshaw on November 19, 2018, 22:12:41
Christian Wolmar on Twitter earlier today.

“Chaos at Waterloo today was caused by works to replace long sections of track which then proved to be faulty on testing and had to be relaid, along with tamper problems.”


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 19, 2018, 22:30:11
I trust he means rails, not track.  If the track had to be replaced it would have been very drastic and certainly taken more than a week..... ::)


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 20, 2018, 06:08:27
I trust he means rails, not track.  If the track had to be replaced it would have been very drastic and certainly taken more than a week..... ::)

 ;)



Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 20, 2018, 09:07:05
Luckily, I had the day off yesterday so didn't have to cope with the SWR morning problems. Unfortunately I had already decided to go to Brighton from Dorking Deepdene. Multiple delays and cancellations on GWR North Downs line due to a broken down train.  :(


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: stuving on November 20, 2018, 10:34:36
Sunday's main possession was all four lines from Waterloo to Hampton Court Junction, including a wide range of planned work. Whether the rail renewal that is reported to have gone wrong was part of that, or a short-notice addition, I don't know. It included some work inside Wimbledon Park Depot, though there were some movements in and out via the District Line. On paper, it ran 01:10 Sunday to 04:30 Monday.

On Sunday there was, as is now customary, a limited service with long-distance trains diverting at Weybridge via Virginia Water. The Weybridge service was removed to make room, with the long-distance trains calling instead at Addlestone and Chertsey, and Byfleet and New Haw standing in for Weybridge.

Clearly that service could be run without using any lines inside the possession. So why was no attempt made to do something similar on Monday? Well, one possible answer is a lack of drivers for those diverted routes - as many as possible being used on Sunday. Another issue is how to recover to a normal service once the possession does eventually end. An alternative of splitting the routes, probably at Woking, might be better. But "flexibility" seems to have vanished from corporate objectives across the whole rail industry, doesn't it?

The passengers with the biggest beef are those using (or who would have used) the Weybridge service - even with the line free of interlopers, that didn't run; at least, nothing (from Addlestone) between the 5:39 and the 10:02.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Adelante_CCT on November 20, 2018, 15:12:02
but that was our old friend "signalling at Earley" having a bit of a strop.

More strops last night and again today

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Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Wokingham fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Wokingham

Last Updated:20/11/2018 15:00


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: eightonedee on November 20, 2018, 21:19:26
Pleased to report signalling problem at Earley fixed in time for 18:26 ex Guildford (following two cancelled trains in the same direction) to gallop through from Wokingham to Reading without slowing, catching up from two minutes late from Guildford to 3 minutes 30 early at Reading - hopefully a sign of an end to recent travails on the North Downs Line.


Title: Re: Waterloo closed by engineering over run
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 26, 2018, 18:16:29
Meanwhile over on Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1067078401842954241



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