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Title: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: stuving on December 14, 2018, 11:16:38
We seem to have missed the Network Rail/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition, which was launched last June. The winners have just been announced (http://www.ribacompetitions.com/networkrailfootbridge/winner.html), and they are Gottlieb Paludan Architects, DK with Strasky, Husty and Partners Ltd, CZ.
(http://www.ribacompetitions.com/networkrailfootbridge/images/prize/N92_1_.jpg)

There was also a highly commended scheme from Hawkins\Brown with WSP, for a "modular 'kit of parts' that would enable a standardised bridge system to be adapted via the use of simple pre-fabricated, clip-on modular elements to different contexts and settings ranging from the historic and rural to the large scale urban interchange, with the footbridge being conceived as a social engine focussed on people and place".
(http://www.ribacompetitions.com/networkrailfootbridge/images/prize/N35_1.jpg)

More details via the link.


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Western Pathfinder on December 14, 2018, 11:46:51
Any of the above would be welcome at Pilning. However I don't think Santa's sack is quite that big.


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 14, 2018, 11:54:43
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...a bold, elegant and uncluttered response that it was felt would create an uplifting experience...

Won't the lifts provide an uplifting experience?

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...the footbridge being conceived as a social engine focussed on people and place.

...or failing that you could just use it to get to the other platform...


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 14, 2018, 13:21:58
Underwhelmed. I suppose it's nice to have a roof but it really looks like hundreds of other footbridges.


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: JayMac on December 14, 2018, 13:34:18
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: ellendune on December 14, 2018, 14:18:31
There was also a highly commended scheme from Hawkins\Brown with WSP, for a "modular 'kit of parts' that would enable a standardised bridge system to be adapted via the use of simple pre-fabricated, clip-on modular elements to different contexts and settings ranging from the historic and rural to the large scale urban interchange, with the footbridge being conceived as a social engine focussed on people and place".
(http://www.ribacompetitions.com/networkrailfootbridge/images/prize/N35_1.jpg)

Turnouts are a bit tight on those lines - clearances might be a bit tricky. 


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 14, 2018, 15:48:02
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 14, 2018, 16:01:18
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.

You forgot one of these at the end of your post: ::) :P


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: stuving on December 14, 2018, 16:39:33
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?

Any engine apart from one running light, perhaps?


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 14, 2018, 16:42:17
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.

You remind me of something I read a long time ago, about the Leas Lift in Folkestone; it was a rather ancient encyclopaedia entry which described how the lift was constructed 'to facilitate intercourse between the beach and the promenade'... you had to be fairly quick, I can tell you!


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 14, 2018, 18:45:00
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.

You remind me of something I read a long time ago, about the Leas Lift in Folkestone; it was a rather ancient encyclopaedia entry which described how the lift was constructed 'to facilitate intercourse between the beach and the promenade'... you had to be fairly quick, I can tell you!
As you say, I'm too ancient for that now but my experience is encyclopaedic!  :o


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: eightonedee on December 15, 2018, 15:40:20
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.

Do you mean it's a place you might be mugged if it's not adequately lit?

I would hope they would concentrate on important issues like - how quickly and cheaply can they be assembled? How do they cater for the mobility impaired? How good is the shelter for passengers from wind and rain? What are the whole life costs (lifespan & durability, repair and maintenance costs etc)?


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: martyjon on December 15, 2018, 16:42:31
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... social engine...

What on earth is one of them?
I reckon it means a place, building, structure or installation intended to facilitate and encourage interactions between people, both strangers and known.

Do you mean it's a place you might be mugged if it's not adequately lit?

I would hope they would concentrate on important issues like - how quickly and cheaply can they be assembled? How do they cater for the mobility impaired? How good is the shelter for passengers from wind and rain? What are the whole life costs (lifespan & durability, repair and maintenance costs etc)?

I thought I saw provisions in this modular design for a lift.


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: stuving on June 17, 2021, 10:55:42
 Well, that didn't lead on to many bridges, did it? But Network Rail did, apparently, let a contract last year for a new, pretty, quick-to-build footbridge. How they chose the lead designers, Knight Architects (https://www.knightarchitects.co.uk/news/ground-breaking-modular-rail-bridge-revealed), isn't clear (I see no further competition).

Anyway, the result was unveiled this week at the New Civil Engineer "Future of Bridges" conference, and a prototype is on show now at "Rail Live 2021" (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/innovative-railway-footbridge-design-is-unveiled), being held at Long Marston. In the pictures it's certainly way more elegant than the standard clunky Network rail thing. How well it's going to look, feel, and last in real life is another matter - it's largely made of plastic.  I did see the word "cheaper" too, but nothing so uncouth as a number.

It 's modular, so you can put in stairs, ramps, or lifts as required - though the CGI (and the Long Marston example) have stairs, so how those long ramps are going to be fitted in isn't explained (and that's really why the current NR standard steel monster is so overbearing). For more details of what they are calling the NR "Flow bridge"  (https://www.knightarchitects.co.uk/projects/nr-frp-bridge):
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The project challenged the design team to find a way to deliver a user-focused footbridge that is not only cheaper but quicker to produce than a steel equivalent, and adaptable to a wide range of locations. By using a range of modern composites, the different properties of which are tailored to their location and structural function, the design concept achieves a lightweight, strong and cost-effective solution.

Improvements to the bridge geometry and parapets allow for a radically enhanced user experience, when compared to the standard through-girder. A modular concept design was developed in fibre-reinforced polymers (FRP) using parametric modelling tools, which allowed for a highly collaborative process and real-time design evolution. The result is a standardised product which accurately reflects the concept, whilst offering a variety of configurations to respond to site specific characteristics.

The innovative procurement process meant concept to completion of full-size prototype took less than a year and was achieved largely remotely.
(https://cdn.knightarchitects.co.uk/_lightboxImage/3A8A7413_small.jpg?mtime=20210609142746&focal=none&tmtime=20210609143235)




Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Lee on June 17, 2021, 11:34:31
Well, that didn't lead on to many bridges, did it? But Network Rail did, apparently, let a contract last year for a new, pretty, quick-to-build footbridge. How they chose the lead designers, Knight Architects (https://www.knightarchitects.co.uk/news/ground-breaking-modular-rail-bridge-revealed), isn't clear (I see no further competition).

Anyway, the result was unveiled this week at the New Civil Engineer "Future of Bridges" conference, and a prototype is on show now at "Rail Live 2021" (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/innovative-railway-footbridge-design-is-unveiled), being held at Long Marston. In the pictures it's certainly way more elegant than the standard clunky Network rail thing. How well it's going to look, feel, and last in real life is another matter - it's largely made of plastic.  I did see the word "cheaper" too, but nothing so uncouth as a number.

It 's modular, so you can put in stairs, ramps, or lifts as required - though the CGI (and the Long Marston example) have stairs, so how those long ramps are going to be fitted in isn't explained (and that's really why the current NR standard steel monster is so overbearing). For more details of what they are calling the NR "Flow bridge"  (https://www.knightarchitects.co.uk/projects/nr-frp-bridge):
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The project challenged the design team to find a way to deliver a user-focused footbridge that is not only cheaper but quicker to produce than a steel equivalent, and adaptable to a wide range of locations. By using a range of modern composites, the different properties of which are tailored to their location and structural function, the design concept achieves a lightweight, strong and cost-effective solution.

Improvements to the bridge geometry and parapets allow for a radically enhanced user experience, when compared to the standard through-girder. A modular concept design was developed in fibre-reinforced polymers (FRP) using parametric modelling tools, which allowed for a highly collaborative process and real-time design evolution. The result is a standardised product which accurately reflects the concept, whilst offering a variety of configurations to respond to site specific characteristics.

The innovative procurement process meant concept to completion of full-size prototype took less than a year and was achieved largely remotely.
(https://cdn.knightarchitects.co.uk/_lightboxImage/3A8A7413_small.jpg?mtime=20210609142746&focal=none&tmtime=20210609143235)




How long before that photo gets superimposed over one of Pilning Station...  ;D


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 17, 2021, 11:58:46
I've seriously asked for an experimental installation at Pilning


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: grahame on June 17, 2021, 22:38:40
I've seriously asked for an experimental installation at Pilning

How long before that photo gets superimposed over one of Pilning Station...  ;D

Seriously - a wide range of configurations available and perhaps not the one pictured.   Further, the picture is taken from on the track (the sort of angle that Network Rail get very upset about if taken by people who are not working for Network Rail) so I don't have a photograph at the right angle to superimpose.

For Pilning ... I would suggest ramps on both sides - bit big, but plenty of space and no need for lifts while traffic builds up. They're shown "folded back" on the page referred above, but perhaps could be straight (unless that makes for a wheelchair runaway risk). Steps will not do as there is no alternative step-free route to the platform.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/nbangkes.jpg)


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: TonyN on June 17, 2021, 23:31:24
Just needs moving down the line a bit to Pershore


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 17, 2021, 23:34:15
Whilst I would welcome a footbridge of any sort being reinstated at Pilning,I do have concerns about platform two failing to meet PTI regs since the masts have been installed.

PTI = Platform Train Interface,just in case anyone isn't aware


Title: Re: NR/RIBA Footbridge Design Ideas Competition
Post by: grahame on June 18, 2021, 00:31:17
Whilst I would welcome a footbridge of any sort being reinstated at Pilning,I do have concerns about platform two failing to meet PTI regs since the masts have been installed.

PTI = Platform Train Interface,just in case anyone isn't aware

Good point but not terminal if there's a will (which, frankly, I doubt). 

The mid platform overhead support does foul the platform edge - not sure if it's as bad as a few other stations though.   There is space for a shortened 3 carriage platform forward of there, with the overhead support in the middle of that section spanning the third track too.  So it would be longer than Dilton Marsh, longer than Avoncliff, and I suspect longer than the useable section at Saltash.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/pilbri20210718_b.jpg)

Configuation of footbridge as follows - as you walk up to the station headed for Wales, up the slope, over the line then down the slope between the platform and the loop which are well apart.  Psychologically attractive - no feelings on walking in circles as you do at Ashchurch or Jersey Sidings!

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/pilbri20210718_a.jpg)



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