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Title: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 14, 2018, 17:04:54
Bristol Post headlines Here is where one councillor would like to see new railway stations opened (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/here-one-councillor-would-like-2328004).    There's been lots of talk of lots or stations ... which do YOU feel should be (re)opened ...


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 14, 2018, 20:31:23
Some of the stations on the list are low-hanging fruit - I'm not aware of any significant obstacles to Ashley Down, Henbury, North Filton and Portway Parkway. Portishead, Pill and Ashton Gate ought to be easy.

Many of the others are more problematic as they demand paths on busy main lines, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to happen. I'd even go so far as to say there are omissions: Winterbourne and Long Ashton spring to mind.

Some people haven't voted for all 16... are they prepared to say which ones they missed out, and why?



Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 14, 2018, 21:08:03
Only 16 votes? Spoilsport! I can't see Ashley Hill on the list, which is one I'd like to vote for.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: johnneyw on December 14, 2018, 21:58:15
Some of the stations on the list are low-hanging fruit - I'm not aware of any significant obstacles to Ashley Down, Henbury, North Filton and Portway Parkway. Portishead, Pill and Ashton Gate ought to be easy.

Many of the others are more problematic as they demand paths on busy main lines, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to happen. I'd even go so far as to say there are omissions: Winterbourne and Long Ashton spring to mind.

Some people haven't voted for all 16... are they prepared to say which ones they missed out, and why?



Okay, I missed out Horfield. Rightly or wrongly, I reckoned it was a no no if Ashley Down is reopened.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 14, 2018, 22:28:24
Some people haven't voted for all 16... are they prepared to say which ones they missed out, and why?

I didn't see 16 stations listed to vote for, what are they ?

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Okay, I missed out Horfield. Rightly or wrongly, I reckoned it was a no no if Ashley Down is reopened.

To my thinking it is a Yes Yes, its quite a trek from the Bonnington Walk, Constable Road and Gainsborough Square areas to Ashley Hill site whereas there is room for platforms on the relief lines at the site of the former Horfield station location.

Ahh, Horfield, the station where I set off for my first visit to London with my dad and brother on the occasion of an international schoolboys football match at Wembley between England and Scotland. A charter train from the Bristol Area to Paddington filled with hundreds of excited schoolboys and their family members to see England beat Scotland by just a single goal. A day that I remember to this day, riding on a London bus, sightseeing tour of London, lunch at a Lyons Corner Coffee shop, walking up Wembley Way and finishing with a short ride on the underground from Paddington to Warwick Avenue and back before out return charter train to Horfield station.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: johnneyw on December 14, 2018, 23:32:43
But are they too close together to be a realistic proposition? Especially now that the passive provision at Horfield seems to be out of the window?


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: TonyK on December 15, 2018, 01:48:12
The original Horfield station site is too close to Filton Abbey Wood, although it was probably just far enough away from Filton. The site at Constable Road favoured by some is not too close to the site at Ashley Down favoured by many - if the line is electrified and suitable rolling stock used. I'm not sure of the distance though - greater or less than Clifton Down to Redland, Redland to Montpelier, or Stapleton Road to Lawrence Hill. They are all within a stroll of each other on a nice day, but very well used.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 15, 2018, 07:02:59
Remiss of me to leave out Ashley Down (is that the same as Ashley Hill?) , Winterbourne and Long Ashton.  Exceptionally, as this is something of a 'fun' and thought provoking poll rather than designed to gather evidence, I'm tempted to edit on the fly ...

Horfield to become Horfield and/or Ashley Down
Coalpit Heath to become Coalpit Heath and/or Winterbourne
Flax Bourton to become Flax Bourton and/or Long Ashton

One of the posters has commented that not everyone has been voting for all the stations.  Indeed; a maximum of a quarter of voters have done so - others have been bit more selective.  Nothing wrong with voting for them all - indeed given a long long look into the future and growth rates of this decade continued, they could all happen; I suspect others have been more pragmatic and looked at a shorter term.  Nothing scientific expected in the results ... a tiny, self selecting sample and we are imbys (opposite of nimbys - wanting stations "In My Back Yard".


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 15, 2018, 08:27:12
Horfield. Ahh, forgot 'the ladder' to change from reliefs to mains around the site of the former Horfield station site. Of course in the days of the FORMER four tracking this ladder was a single lead with slips in the other direction from the mains to the reliefs under the control of the Filton Incline Signal Box and Filton Junction Signal Box controlled double tracked switches from the South Wales line to the main and relief lines and also from Stoke Gifford to the main and relief lines.

Many memories of sitting in Filton Junction Signal Box with my school chum whose father was a signalman there.

Excuse for that, we took his dads cooked Sunday Lunch down to the box on our bikes and waited while he ate it so we could bring the dirty (enamel) plate back. Enamel because if it was busy and the stove had a fire in it the hot meal could be kept hot on the stove, and if it wasn't busy, well you know who and my chum would ding a few bells and throw a few levers while his dad ate his hot Sunday Roast.

Oh for those days again, have to put my memories down on paper one day and post to this forum, you'd be surprised with what I got up too.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 15, 2018, 11:05:07
Remiss of me to leave out Ashley Down (is that the same as Ashley Hill?) ...

Indeed it is.

The old station was called Ashley Hill, but the 'reopening' proposal refers to it as Ashley Down. It's a better name; the new station is close to the City of Bristol College's extensive Ashley Down campus, but not very close to the road named Ashley Hill.



Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 15, 2018, 11:41:22
Remiss of me to leave out Ashley Down (is that the same as Ashley Hill?) ...

Indeed it is.

The old station was called Ashley Hill, but the 'reopening' proposal refers to it as Ashley Down. It's a better name; the new station is close to the City of Bristol College's extensive Ashley Down campus, but not very close to the road named Ashley Hill.



Settled then?


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 15, 2018, 11:43:09
Badminton station would I feel be easy to open, as it is along loops and when I last looked the buildings were still there.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 15, 2018, 12:04:32
The original Horfield station site is too close to Filton Abbey Wood, although it was probably just far enough away from Filton. The site at Constable Road favoured by some is not too close to the site at Ashley Down favoured by many - if the line is electrified and suitable rolling stock used. I'm not sure of the distance though - greater or less than Clifton Down to Redland, Redland to Montpelier, or Stapleton Road to Lawrence Hill. They are all within a stroll of each other on a nice day, but very well used.

I make no apology for linking again to the CH2MHILL report on Bristol New Stations   
High Level Assessment Study – locations on Filton Bank (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/travelwest/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/4-grip2-app-b-new-stations-report.pdf) - it's well-worth reading if you haven't already, and covers every aspect of the potential sites.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 15, 2018, 12:05:11
Remiss of me to leave out Ashley Down (is that the same as Ashley Hill?) ...

Indeed it is.

The old station was called Ashley Hill, but the 'reopening' proposal refers to it as Ashley Down. It's a better name; the new station is close to the City of Bristol College's extensive Ashley Down campus, but not very close to the road named Ashley Hill.


Quite close to Ashley Down Road too. But if we wanted a nearby road to name the station after, how about Happy Lane?  ;D


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: froome on December 15, 2018, 12:30:31
The original Horfield station site is too close to Filton Abbey Wood, although it was probably just far enough away from Filton. The site at Constable Road favoured by some is not too close to the site at Ashley Down favoured by many - if the line is electrified and suitable rolling stock used. I'm not sure of the distance though - greater or less than Clifton Down to Redland, Redland to Montpelier, or Stapleton Road to Lawrence Hill. They are all within a stroll of each other on a nice day, but very well used.

I've long wondered whether a station ought to be provided at St Werburghs on the Severn Beach line, to fill the gap between Stapleton Road and Montpelier. It is quite a long hike from St Werburghs to both those stations, and neither are that easy - a climb up to Montpelier, or crossing the M32 to reach Stapleton Road. The contours in the area obviously present a challenge, but given that no parking would need to be provided (other nearby stations don't), two sites might be possible - at the high point of St Werburghs Park, so very close to the railway junction, or along Church Path, just off Ashley Hill.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 15, 2018, 12:49:23
Remiss of me to leave out Ashley Down (is that the same as Ashley Hill?) ...

Indeed it is.

The old station was called Ashley Hill, but the 'reopening' proposal refers to it as Ashley Down. It's a better name; the new station is close to the City of Bristol College's extensive Ashley Down campus, but not very close to the road named Ashley Hill.


Quite close to Ashley Down Road too. But if we wanted a nearby road to name the station after, how about Happy Lane?  ;D

Ideal for cricket fans, Gloucestershire County Cricket  Club is within a 8 - 10 minute walk of the location. probably nearer than Montpelier is on foot. I would say a better name for a re-opened station at this location would be Muller Road although Muller Road is rather a long road running from Horfield Common to Eastville Park / Fishponds Road.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 15, 2018, 13:04:31
Found the poll on this and added my vote selection but dismayed at the lack of Pilning for re-opening of down platform.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 15, 2018, 13:30:17
Found the poll on this and added my vote selection but dismayed at the lack of Pilning for re-opening of down platform.

Talked on the Pilning thread about a complete new station.

Any way, how about reopening the line to Fishponds and Staple hill?.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 15, 2018, 14:30:37
Found the poll on this and added my vote selection but dismayed at the lack of Pilning for re-opening of down platform.

Talked on the Pilning thread about a complete new station.

Any way, how about reopening the line to Fishponds and Staple hill?.
Found the poll on this and added my vote selection but dismayed at the lack of Pilning for re-opening of down platform.

There is already a station at Pilning; I though whether to add it, but it's not really a re-opening, rather a catching up with updating facilities and perhaps where it's accessed from.   The question is new stations.



Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 15, 2018, 15:45:18
... I would say a better name for a re-opened station at this location would be Muller Road...

As long as they reopen it, they can call it Stationy McStationface for all I care!


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Oberon on December 15, 2018, 22:39:45
Re-open the line from Bristol up to Mangotsfield. Just imagine how many car journeys this might save.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 15, 2018, 23:30:34
Re-open the line from Bristol up to Mangotsfield. Just imagine how many car journeys this might save.

According to the last figures I can find - admittedly 10 years old - the line you refer to (in its current guise as the Bristol-Bath cycle path) carries in excess of 6,500 cyclists and walkers per day. That equates to a lot of car journeys saved; it's probably more people than the Severn Beach line carries. That's not to say that it shouldn't be considered - but the route has already been put to very good use.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: ellendune on December 16, 2018, 08:31:28
According to the last figures I can find - admittedly 10 years old - the line you refer to (in its current guise as the Bristol-Bath cycle path) carries in excess of 6,500 cyclists and walkers per day. That equates to a lot of car journeys saved; it's probably more people than the Severn Beach line carries. That's not to say that it shouldn't be considered - but the route has already been put to very good use.

It was originally double track I assume. It is never going to be a main line again so could a single track be shared with a cycle route?

Certainly not a short term project, but meanwhile the cycle path protects the route. 


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Oberon on December 16, 2018, 08:43:58
Of course it could share, as a single track line, with bikes, just as happens around Bitton with the tourist steam line. I'm not sure what percentage of cycles on the route might be considered commuter traffic, and how much classed as leisure. Families out for a bit of exercise, that sort of thing. I doubt if anyone will ever do a survey, so we'll never know


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 16, 2018, 08:47:55
The Midland line between Bristol and Bath was closed under the Beeching plan. There was consternation that this section was slated for closure along with the rest of the Somerset and Dorset line and a proposal was put forward to reprieve the Bristol - Bath section.

At Newbridge near Bath the two lines were no more than a couple of hundred or so metres apart. Basically the lines were the boundaries on the opposite sides of a farmers field albeit that one of the boundaries was the River Avon. That proposal was to build an embankment from the point where the GW mainline passed under the A4 at Newbridge to connect with the Midland line as it crossed the River Avon which is currently the terminus of the Avon Valley Railway from Bitton. A double junction at Newbridge would have provided an alternative route between the two cities at times when engineering works closes the GW main line between Newbridge in Bath and North Somerset Junction in Bristol.

This plan fell on deaf ears and over the years houses have been built on parts of the trackbed particularly in the Greenbank / Rose Green areas and then there is the powerful voice of Sustrans, who are I am told, am opposing any extension of the Avon Valley Railway towards Bath and the Newbridge Park and Ride site.

A second line between Bristol and Bath ? Won't happen unless pigs have learnt to fly first.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: ellendune on December 16, 2018, 08:50:36
A second line between Bristol and Bath ? Won't happen unless pigs have learnt to fly first.

I agree they would look to widen parts of the existing line first - and even that is not likely. 


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: froome on December 16, 2018, 09:01:24
Of course it could share, as a single track line, with bikes, just as happens around Bitton with the tourist steam line. I'm not sure what percentage of cycles on the route might be considered commuter traffic, and how much classed as leisure. Families out for a bit of exercise, that sort of thing. I doubt if anyone will ever do a survey, so we'll never know

Plenty of surveys have been done over the years. It has very high commuter traffic of both pedestrians and cyclists, as can be observed by anyone who goes along there during rush hours.

As well as a transport corridor, it also now functions as open space in any area that has very little, with many informal uses that couldn't happen with dual use with a railway.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 16, 2018, 10:25:24
Of course it could share, as a single track line, with bikes, just as happens around Bitton with the tourist steam line.

To confirm froome's point, the section from Staple Hill to central Bristol is very, very busy in the peaks, with frequent conflicts between cyclists and pedestrians. If anything, the path needs to be widened so that  cycle and pedestrian flows can be segregated.

The shared section through Bitton is quite different in character, with more leisure use, but even there the cycle track is in places squeezed to one side and too narrow.

...as can be observed by anyone who goes along there during rush hours.

I have cycled out of Bristol during the morning peak, i.e. against the flow - quite terrifying, I can tell you!


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: johnneyw on December 16, 2018, 10:43:23
So, what did the Joint Spatial Plan say about it?

Apologies for not being able to immediately find the copy of this kindly posted on another thread.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 16, 2018, 11:01:37
Of course it could share, as a single track line, with bikes, just as happens around Bitton with the tourist steam line.

To confirm froome's point, the section from Staple Hill to central Bristol is very, very busy in the peaks, with frequent conflicts between cyclists and pedestrians. If anything, the path needs to be widened so that  cycle and pedestrian flows can be segregated.

The shared section through Bitton is quite different in character, with more leisure use, but even there the cycle track is in places squeezed to one side and too narrow.

...as can be observed by anyone who goes along there during rush hours.

I have cycled out of Bristol during the morning peak, i.e. against the flow - quite terrifying, I can tell you!


I spent last week communing (on foot) along a section of the Cambridge Guided Busway.  At this time of year, it was "out in the dark, back in the dark" so few pictures.   As per the Bristol comments, terrifying at times to be walking with cycles headed in both directions on the section I was on.  But noting it's wide enough to have public transport (buses) going in both  directions, and a shared abuse cycle and pedestrian track.

Of note ...
* Long gaps between bus services
* When buses come along, they are in groups
* No fencing to keep people off bus lanes - and yet a bus on the guided section cannot swerve to avoid people.

Can't help winding if a three car train with one driver would be more effective than three buses - or perhaps articulated trans / tram trains?   But then would the switch from "bus" to "train" have required fencing because ... well - is the unfenced guided bus safer than the unfenced train, or do we have dual standards in play?


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 16, 2018, 11:09:59
So, what did the Joint Spatial Plan say about it?

Apologies for not being able to immediately find the copy of this kindly posted on another thread.

Cycling is mentioned 413 times in SD16B, but I can't find any reference to the Bristol-Bath path... maybe someone else will have more luck. As an aside, cycling groups in Bath and Bristol are unhappy that WECA are failing to spend £80M allocated for cycling improvements:

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You should be extremely alarmed that this man [Tim Bowles] has sat on £80M of City Transformation Funding. That the wording he uses around this money is about strategic transport. That he wants to ‘promote’ cycling, despite WECA scrutiny panel assuring me in a written statement that the term promote would no longer be used and replaced with enable.

The reality is that Tim Bowles is utterly failing the people of the West of England, and before you try and defend him in anyway, Andy Street [West Midlands Mayor] is Conservative and Andy Burnham [Manchester] is Labour. It is not about parties, it is about ability, about political will, about surrounding yourself quickly with good people and delivering.

...

This situation is utterly depressing and is very much down to Tim Bowles and his utter failure to get a grip on Transport from all aspects unless it has to do with 18a of the M4 junction.

As Chris Boardman said “It is not what does it cost to get people cycling and walking, but what is the cost not to get people cycling and walking”.

With the Joint Local Transport Plan not being published until April 2020 at the earliest, Tim Bowles will have set back the west by at least 2 years. In the meantime other mayors are absolutely killing it, focusing on enabling walking, cycling, and transforming public transport.

It’s less Metro Mayor Tim Bowles and more Teapot Tim.

We need a commitment from Tim Bowles to allocate the £80M he has been given to walking and cycling, implement a Strategic Cycling Analysis exercise, and begin delivery of a complete cycle network across the west. This could be done this year.

Source: Cycle Bath (https://cyclebath.org.uk/2018/06/10/metro-mayor-tim-bowles-is-failing-us/)

Edit: grahame picked me up on a typo. Mutter mutter mutter.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 16, 2018, 11:15:05
As an aside, cycling groups in Bath and Bristol are unhappy that WECA are failing to spend £80 allocated for cycling improvements

80 quid won't go very far ...


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 16, 2018, 11:34:55
As an aside, cycling groups in Bath and Bristol are unhappy that WECA are failing to spend £80 allocated for cycling improvements

80 quid won't go very far ...

Good point... maybe it would buy Tim Bowles a second-hand bike?

I will edit my post. :)


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 16, 2018, 14:06:50
Just to note that there are quite a large number of commuters who cycle from Bristol to Bath and vice-versa. It's not just the inner sections that are used by commuters. But like any transport corridor or mode, the proportion of commuters to leisure users will vary by time and day.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 16, 2018, 22:38:01
Take a look at the filton bank thread, added items on there, you,ll be amazed.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Wizard on December 30, 2018, 12:41:16
Badminton station would I feel be easy to open, as it is along loops and when I last looked the buildings were still there.

There are no loops at the site of Badminton station.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 30, 2018, 13:01:50
Talking of Badminton, I read this:

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I suggest that, if there is one lesson which we ought to have learned in the last 10 years, it is the lesson of the enormous difficulties and expense of relieving congestion of traffic in urban areas and providing adequate parking space. It is true to say that at Badminton there is parking space, because the old goods yard is virtually unlimited and in any case it can be extended ad lib at very small expense, because the surrounding land is open land.

...

My third complaint is the ludicrous nonsense that inquiries before the transport users' consultative committees have become. They are entitled to look only at the question of hardship. I am not denying that there is hardship here. When people from the country areas with luggage or children and prams are forced to stagger on to a bus, on which there is no sort of accommodation for the sort of thing, when they generally end up at bus stations well away from the railway stations, and when there is no porter to help them, of course there is hardship. There is also hardship for the person who has been able to get to the railway station for a 4s. 6d. taxi journey and is now charged 25s. But the committees should be able to consider the wider questions to which I have referred.

...

We have a position which, whatever its merits from the point of view of the railways, has none from the point of view of town and country planning. The railways are making a staggering financial loss. Badminton station shows a profit. Are they really in a position to turn up their noses at any profit in this day and age?

...

I hope that the Ministry of Transport will occasionally think of something other than a rather bogus policy of trying to make a particular railway line a little more convenient to the railway authorities and instead consider the wider situation and the enormous extra costs that may be thrown on the city authorities in widening the roads in Bristol and providing adequate parking space.

F V Corfield, MP for Gloucestershire South, May 1968
 
Source: Hansard (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1968/may/28/badminton-railway-station-closure)

So back in the sixties, South Glos recognised that its transport issues were inextricably linked with Bristol's... If only they'd had an integrated transport authority...


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: AMLAG on December 30, 2018, 14:25:46
I once worked with the last Stationmaster of Badminton who often recollected how it was very much the station of the Duke of Beaufort and his family.
With its closure Chippenham stn as an alternative was under ten miles away and of course the nearby M4 motorway serves it particularly well.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on December 30, 2018, 16:10:08
Talking of Badminton, I read this:

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I suggest that, if there is one lesson which we ought to have learned in the last 10 years, it is the lesson of the enormous difficulties and expense of relieving congestion of traffic in urban areas and providing adequate parking space. It is true to say that at Badminton there is parking space, because the old goods yard is virtually unlimited and in any case it can be extended ad lib at very small expense, because the surrounding land is open land.

...

My third complaint is the ludicrous nonsense that inquiries before the transport users' consultative committees have become. They are entitled to look only at the question of hardship. I am not denying that there is hardship here. When people from the country areas with luggage or children and prams are forced to stagger on to a bus, on which there is no sort of accommodation for the sort of thing, when they generally end up at bus stations well away from the railway stations, and when there is no porter to help them, of course there is hardship. There is also hardship for the person who has been able to get to the railway station for a 4s. 6d. taxi journey and is now charged 25s. But the committees should be able to consider the wider questions to which I have referred.

...

We have a position which, whatever its merits from the point of view of the railways, has none from the point of view of town and country planning. The railways are making a staggering financial loss. Badminton station shows a profit. Are they really in a position to turn up their noses at any profit in this day and age?

...

I hope that the Ministry of Transport will occasionally think of something other than a rather bogus policy of trying to make a particular railway line a little more convenient to the railway authorities and instead consider the wider situation and the enormous extra costs that may be thrown on the city authorities in widening the roads in Bristol and providing adequate parking space.

F V Corfield, MP for Gloucestershire South, May 1968
 
Source: Hansard (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1968/may/28/badminton-railway-station-closure)

So back in the sixties, South Glos recognised that its transport issues were inextricably linked with Bristol's... If only they'd had an integrated transport authority...


Met Sir Fred on a number of occasions and was a very good constituency MP unlike the plonker that followed him then we had the now Sir Steve ousted by another plonker in 2010.

But in 1968 it was Gloucestershire County Council and Sodbury Rural District Council and the Constituency was Gloucestershire South. The County Council became Avon, remember them, the District Council was merged with Thornbury to become Northavon and there was a bus service (31 Bristol - Swindon) to Badminton station too giving Yate/Sodbury a link although the station was really in the Village of Acton Turville.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 18:31:10
Talking of Badminton, I read this:

Quote
I suggest that, if there is one lesson which we ought to have learned in the last 10 years, it is the lesson of the enormous difficulties and expense of relieving congestion of traffic in urban areas and providing adequate parking space. It is true to say that at Badminton there is parking space, because the old goods yard is virtually unlimited and in any case it can be extended ad lib at very small expense, because the surrounding land is open land.

...

My third complaint is the ludicrous nonsense that inquiries before the transport users' consultative committees have become. They are entitled to look only at the question of hardship. I am not denying that there is hardship here. When people from the country areas with luggage or children and prams are forced to stagger on to a bus, on which there is no sort of accommodation for the sort of thing, when they generally end up at bus stations well away from the railway stations, and when there is no porter to help them, of course there is hardship. There is also hardship for the person who has been able to get to the railway station for a 4s. 6d. taxi journey and is now charged 25s. But the committees should be able to consider the wider questions to which I have referred.

...

We have a position which, whatever its merits from the point of view of the railways, has none from the point of view of town and country planning. The railways are making a staggering financial loss. Badminton station shows a profit. Are they really in a position to turn up their noses at any profit in this day and age?

...

I hope that the Ministry of Transport will occasionally think of something other than a rather bogus policy of trying to make a particular railway line a little more convenient to the railway authorities and instead consider the wider situation and the enormous extra costs that may be thrown on the city authorities in widening the roads in Bristol and providing adequate parking space.

F V Corfield, MP for Gloucestershire South, May 1968
 
Source: Hansard (https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1968/may/28/badminton-railway-station-closure)

So back in the sixties, South Glos recognised that its transport issues were inextricably linked with Bristol's... If only they'd had an integrated transport authority...

Not the sort of thing you would want your servants to read.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Western Pathfinder on December 30, 2018, 22:54:58
Not too worry then mine can't read let alone write.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: TonyK on December 31, 2018, 09:57:07
Not too worry then mine can't read let alone write.

As Spike Milligan put it: "He was illiterate, but didn't know that, because he couldn't read."


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 31, 2018, 17:16:17
I once worked with the last Stationmaster of Badminton who often recollected how it was very much the station of the Duke of Beaufort and his family.
With its closure Chippenham stn as an alternative was under ten miles away and of course the nearby M4 motorway serves it particularly well.
Presumably that's why it was called Badminton station rather than the more geographically appropriate Acton Turville.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 31, 2018, 17:41:52
Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!



Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on December 31, 2018, 17:48:38
Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!

OK - I admit it - I included Badminton in the list as a 'control' to see how many people would vote for anything - of 27 voters, 7 did ... but only 4 voted for Coalpit Heath, so perhaps the last laugh in on some of the voters who have looked carefully and said that Badminton IS a good idea but Coalpit Heath is not.   Comments welcome


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 31, 2018, 20:55:44
I think I might have been one of those 7,though I don't remember now. I would prefer Hullavington or something in Yate/Chipping Sodbury on that line, but none of those was an option. My thinking is that Hullavington or Badminton/Acton Turville though pretty small places in themselves have good connections to Malmesbury, Tetbury and a larger rural area. I confess I might not have paid much attention to the "Bristol commuter" part of the question (although I do know people who commute from Bristol to Malmesbury – engineers at Dyson).


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: johnneyw on December 31, 2018, 21:15:54
Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!



Maybe or maybe not. Your earlier post quoting support for a what is now a suggested P&R there is maybe even more relevant now?


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 31, 2018, 23:07:55
Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!

OK - I admit it - I included Badminton in the list as a 'control' to see how many people would vote for anything - of 27 voters, 7 did ... but only 4 voted for Coalpit Heath, so perhaps the last laugh in on some of the voters who have looked carefully and said that Badminton IS a good idea but Coalpit Heath is not.   Comments welcome

Ah, well you tripped me up good and proper. Thing is, I think I was fairly negative about Breich station and may even have talked down Pilning, only to realise that there was more to these proposals than met the eye - so I sort of assumed that there must be a case for Badminton of which I was unaware...

Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!



Maybe or maybe not. Your earlier post quoting support for a what is now a suggested P&R there is maybe even more relevant now?

Is there a case for that now? Corfield was arguing for it in 1968, when a car park could have been built for 4d and Parkway was still a marshalling yard...


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: grahame on January 01, 2019, 07:01:01
Thing is, I think I was fairly negative about Breich station and may even have talked down Pilning, only to realise that there was more to these proposals than met the eye ....

You're right, of course - and indeed if a development / park and ride / something else is proposed and gets taken forward just about anywhere - including in the middle of the countryside where a station on current traffic and flows of the area would be absurd - then it can happen and be an utterly obvious case.

Hullavington, Badminton ... either could be a very sensible catchment / park and ride for the southern fringes of the Cotswolds - Tetbury, Malmesbury through Corsham might well make excellent use of them, as might drivers flooding across the free Severn Bridges along the M4 and wanting to find somewhere to park up rather than drive into the cities of Swindon, Reading or London.


Title: Re: New Stations for Bristol Commuters
Post by: martyjon on January 01, 2019, 09:04:08
Of all the stations on the list, I'm interested to know what role people see Badminton Station fulfilling... it doesn't seem to be be near anywhere, and I'm starting to wonder if I made a mistake when I voted for it!



Maybe or maybe not. Your earlier post quoting support for a what is now a suggested P&R there is maybe even more relevant now?


Bristol Parkway is already nearly full at the busiest of times and will be when all the housing developments which are currently in gestation are born and thriving estates it will be.

A P & R station at Badminton/Acton Turville will attract custom from the Yate/Sodbury area as it will probably be quicker to travel to there rather than to Parkway. There has been substantial housing provision in some places like Yatton Keynell since Badminton was shut and of course it will be close to the picturesque village of Castle Coombe and its nearby racetrack but then pigs don't fly.



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