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Title: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: rogerw on January 18, 2019, 13:18:11 The summer timetables are now available on Realtime trains and there are significant changes to the services via Westbury, particularly on Mondays to Fridays with a number of additional services (times at Westbury in brackets)
0655 Yeovil P M to Salisbury/Waterloo (0740) 0750 Waterloo to Yeovil P M (0952) 1045 Yeovil P M to Salisbury/Waterloo (1136) 1453 Yeovil Jct to Slisbury/Waterloo (1541) 1620 Waterloo to Bristol TM (1829) 1820 Waterloo to Castle Cary (2030) 1935 Bristol TM to Waterloo (2016) The 1850 Waterloo to Westbury via Yeovil is withdrawn north of Pen MIll but replaced in part by a 2141 astle Cary to Salisbury. Dilton Marsh now has a regular service to/from Waterloo on Mondays to Fridays with departures at 0743, 1139, 1544, & 1748 and arrivals back at 0948, 1449 & 2023 The summer Saturday service from Salisbury to Weymouth via Yeovil is again to operate, Starting back from Waterloo but there is currently no sign of a repeat of last year's service to Corfe Castle. The additional Bristol services also run on Saturdays and there is a new 0915 Waterloo to Bristol with the corresponding return working on Sundays There are 4 additional services on Saturdays 0716 Castle Cary to Salisbury/Waterloo? (0745) 0850 Waterloo to Frome (1054) 1130 Frome to Waterloo (1143) 1820 Waterloo to Yeovil Jct (1956) None of these services call at Dilton Marsh On Sundays there is only one service other than the Bristol ones mentioned above 0951 Yeovil Jct to Waterloo (1049) Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Timmer on January 18, 2019, 21:08:34 Are SWR bringing in their new timetables in May postponed from December or is this a phase timetable change?
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: rogerw on January 18, 2019, 22:14:24 There don't appear to be any significant changes on the Weymouth line and I haven't checked any others. SWR did suggest that they would do the Westbury improvements asap. They don't really affect any other services to any extent and there are no changes east of Salisbury
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: RichardB on January 18, 2019, 22:47:45 It's still very early for the May timetable. Things may still change.
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Clan Line on January 18, 2019, 22:52:50 Looks good for passengers between Salisbury and Westbury (and intermediate stops) - more decent rolling stock to avoid travelling on the Turbos !
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Timmer on January 19, 2019, 07:57:34 There don't appear to be any significant changes on the Weymouth line and I haven't checked any others. SWR did suggest that they would do the Westbury improvements asap. They don't really affect any other services to any extent and there are no changes east of Salisbury What I thought, no affect on services out of Waterloo so these changes can easily be bought in.Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Timmer on January 19, 2019, 08:01:17 Looks good for passengers between Salisbury and Westbury (and intermediate stops) - more decent rolling stock to avoid travelling on the Turbos ! Certainly does provide a few more options between Salisbury-Westbury and to Bristol of avoiding travelling on a Turbo and being able to travel First Class. Most importantly it provides more capacity on this line which can only be good news.Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: grahame on January 19, 2019, 08:50:48 I have split out a Dilton Marsh specific topic at
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20950.0 Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: paul7575 on January 19, 2019, 12:05:21 There don't appear to be any significant changes on the Weymouth line and I haven't checked any others. SWR did suggest that they would do the Westbury improvements asap. They don't really affect any other services to any extent and there are no changes east of Salisbury ...apart from the Sunday morning and afternoon Salisbury to Reading service? Here’s the up service listing:http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/RDG/from/BSK/2019/05/19/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SW And the down service list: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/RDG/to/BSK/2019/05/19/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SW I’ve had confirmation that (apart from the Romsey rounders) there are no longer any 158s or 159s diagrammed in the Hampshire area, which allows for a number of WofE services to be strengthened at various times of the day. All those oddities, such as Winchester to Totton, and some early and late trains between Basingstoke and Portsmouth will be operated by 450s. DMUs operating entirely over third rail have been a bit of an embarrassment IMHO, but to be fair they have been steadily reducing in the last 3 years or so, with Lymington ending last month as is generally known. Paul Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: DaveHarries on January 20, 2019, 13:25:02 Certainly does look good for passengers wishing to go between Frome, Castle Cary and London with the extra journey options. Particularly the case on Mondays to Fridays when there will be 13 SWR services per day instead of 6, including shuttles between Yeovil Pen Mill and Yeovil Junction. Bravo SWR: let us hope they attract enough custom: the RealTimeTrains website has those trains running at least until 13th December.
On the Weymouth side of things SWR are running London Waterloo to Weymouth on Saturdays via. Yeovil for the Summer season starting 25th May: 1L11 0635 London Waterloo to Weymouth via. Salisbury, Yeovil Junction and Yeovil Pen Mill 2M00 1210 Weymouth to Yeovil Junction via. Yeovil Pen Mill (which, it appears, links onto the 1429 to Waterloo) 1L66 1654 Weymouth to London Waterloo via. Yeovil Pen Mill and Yeovil Junction There are also improvements on Sundays with the number of departures from Westbury to Salisbury and London Waterloo rising from 6 to 9 with extra services to / from Bristol Temple Meads thrown in: Present: 1V33 1355 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1V81 1955 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1O60 1604 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury 1O82 2135 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury Starting 19th May: 1V21 1055 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1V33 1355 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1V81 1955 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1O48 1304 Bristol Temple Meads to London Waterloo 1O60 1604 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury 1O82 2135 Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury Lastly, on Mondays to Fridays, one other improvement is that the gap of 6hrs 32mins in afternoon & evening SWR departures from Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury is being closed by the addition of: 1V49 1801 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads 1O72 1935 Bristol Temple Meads to London Waterloo The unit which will form 1V49 currently detaches from 1L49 at Salisbury and works ECS to Salisbury Depot. As for 1O72 it is interesting to note that it appears not to join a train from Exeter St. Davids on reaching Salisbury which most of the other workings currently do. HTIOI, Dave Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: paul7575 on January 20, 2019, 18:38:12 AFAICS the new 1O72 runs Salisbury to Waterloo in a currently unused xx47 path, and then returns as an additional 2250 service to Salisbury, 2F71.
Paul Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: DaveHarries on January 22, 2019, 19:35:35 Another thing I have noticed, on RealTimeTrains, is that the unit which operates the 2340 London Waterloo - Yeovil Junction on Friday and Saturday nights will overnight at Yeovil Junction instead of working ECS back to Salisbury. Either they have a driver living in the area or are getting him / her a taxi to get back to Salisbury.
Dave Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: WSW Frome on January 26, 2019, 17:17:14 These new SWR services will certainly provide some extra benefits at Frome, Bruton and Castle Cary especially by providing new through journeys to/from Salisbury and to Waterloo (with/without change at SAL). The new services also fill some Heart of Wessex gaps and some provide good/reasonable connections at Westbury or Castle Cary into GWR inter-city journeys, east or west. It will be interesting to see how these SAL/WAT journeys are priced, as currently travelling the long way round via Yeovil generally requires a higher-priced (walk up) fare, even when the services are advertised to Frome along parts of the route! SWR some positive fare tweaks please.
I was also looking at the current GWR timetable (which would apply to several previous iterations) and decided that inter-city connections at Westbury into/out of southerly Heart of Wessex services have got worse in recent times. Previously there were some swift exchanges but on weekdays now only 20.03 PAD down and the 06.45, 14.42, 16.29 and 18.56 FRO up have connection times under the 30-40 minute range. Sundays are better but with lower frequency! So a plea to the POWERS THAT BE - We know it is not easy but when tweaking the long awaited new GWR timetable, please do your best to improve these connections at Westbury. Alternatively they can respond to the various requests for "some of" the new semi-fast services to call at Frome. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: grahame on March 08, 2019, 08:53:54 Press release (https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2019/march/south-western-railway-announces-300-additional-train-services-across-its-network) from SWR -
Quote Friday 08th March 2019 Customers based across the South Western Railway network will benefit from extra services and journey opportunities when the next train timetable is introduced, from 19 May. Andy Mellors, Managing Director of South Western Railway, welcomed the good news: “There will be substantial changes to our next timetable starting in May, which will bring over 300 additional train services a week for our customers. “Many of these service enhancements are based on extensive consultations and feedback sessions that were undertaken previously with local stakeholders, businesses, community groups and customers. “We are very pleased that these enhancements will come to fruition shortly and we will continue to work on refurbishing our existing fleet and introducing brand new state-of-the-art trains in to service by the end of the year.” Here are some of the highlights from the new timetable: *Two additional fast Portsmouth to Waterloo services* in the morning peak and an additional evening peak service to Guildford / Haslemere. *Reading to Waterloo passengers will see two additional trains during the morning peak, and there will also be an additional service during the morning peak from Ascot to Reading. There will also be additional Windsor and Hounslow trains in the morning peak period towards London. * The Waterloo to Farnham (via Ascot) route will see two additional services, while one additional Waterloo to Windsor, and two Reading to Ascot services will also be added, all during the evening peak. * New half-hourly service between Farnham and Guildford. * Extra later evening services from Waterloo to Salisbury and Waterloo to Portsmouth. * On Sundays, there will be a new Salisbury to Reading (via Basingstoke) service. * On the south coast, there will be some additional services between Weymouth/Poole/Southampton and Waterloo during peak times. * Extra weekday and weekend services from Yeovil to Waterloo calling at Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome. * Godalming will benefit as all fast Portsmouth/Waterloo services will call at the station (doubling the number of services). * Other improvements to the timetable include some evening suburban service changes with an additional Waterloo to Chessington South and Chessington South to Wimbledon service. The summer Saturday Weymouth service on the Salisbury to Yeovil route will be extended to cover the full timetable period. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: stuving on March 08, 2019, 10:13:51 Some of that seems an odd way for SWR to present what they have done. In particular, they have taken up a suggestion in the franchise SLC and extended it, splitting the Ascot-Guildford service into Ascot-Farnham and Farnham-Guildford from May 2019 (with Alton-Waterloo continuing much as now).
For the rest, they are continuing the process of adding a train here and there, inching towards the full SLC. There are ECS made into public services, part-route trains extended to/from Waterloo, etc. For the Reading service, they now have 4 tph Down for the evening peak, and they are not far short Up in the morning peak. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: bobm on March 08, 2019, 13:04:59 The Salisbury to Reading service will really start in earnest the following Sunday (26th May). On the 19th it is a bus between Salisbury and Andover.
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: bradshaw on March 08, 2019, 18:00:51 Much more detail to be found here. https://www.southwesternrailway.com/~/media/files/other/news/2019/march/may-2019-timetables/west-of-england-may-2019-tt-changes.pdf?la=en Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Timmer on March 08, 2019, 20:29:39 These are real genuine improvements to services between London-Salisbury-Bristol-Exeter.
More trains between Bristol-Westbury-Salisbury operated by 159s for those who want to avoid travelling on a Turbo with first class also available. The 158s may soon be gone but the 159s continue. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Clan Line on March 08, 2019, 21:54:26 The 158s may soon be gone but the 159s continue. ............and I must say, the Salisbury depot always keep their rolling stock in excellent condition - both mechanically and visually. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Timmer on March 08, 2019, 21:57:23 The 158s may soon be gone but the 159s continue. ............and I must say, the Salisbury depot always keep their rolling stock in excellent condition - both mechanically and visually. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: bradshaw on March 12, 2019, 13:17:57 Paths have appeared in RTT for crew training runs in preparation for the summer Saturday service.
5O13 0850 Salisbury to Weymouth and 5O24 1228 from Weymouth to Salisbury, both under Q notice. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: GBM on March 14, 2019, 07:39:42 Paths have appeared in RTT for crew training runs in preparation for the summer Saturday service. Sorry, Q notice?5O13 0850 Salisbury to Weymouth and 5O24 1228 from Weymouth to Salisbury, both under Q notice. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: grahame on March 14, 2019, 07:52:30 Paths have appeared in RTT for crew training runs in preparation for the summer Saturday service. Sorry, Q notice?5O13 0850 Salisbury to Weymouth and 5O24 1228 from Weymouth to Salisbury, both under Q notice. Runs as reQuired. Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: JayMac on January 09, 2020, 10:00:30 Interesting to note that the early SWR departure from Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo via Castle Cary is now joined by an early departure from Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo via Yeovil Junction! Prior to December 2019 the latter service started at Yeovil Junction.
The service via Castle Cary departs Yeovil Pen Mill at 0655. The service via Yeovil Junction departs Yeovil Pen Mill at 0711. These two services join at Salisbury. From there on they now show on departure boards/screens and RealTime Trains as: Yeovil Pen Mill & Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo. ;D Is this unique? Two services, that become one, to the same destination from the same origin, via different routes? Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: Celestial on January 09, 2020, 11:25:39 Could be an interesting delay repay if you set off from Pen Mill to Salisbury (or beyond) in one direction and it gets delayed, but the other half is on time. "Nope - no DR due, as the train was bang on time. It says so on my system."
Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: PhilWakely on January 09, 2020, 11:36:26 Interesting to note that the early SWR departure from Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo via Castle Cary is now joined by an early departure from Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo via Yeovil Junction! Prior to December 2019 the latter service started at Yeovil Junction. The service via Castle Cary departs Yeovil Pen Mill at 0655. The service via Yeovil Junction departs Yeovil Pen Mill at 0711. These two services join at Salisbury. From there on they now show on departure boards/screens and RealTime Trains as: Yeovil Pen Mill & Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo. ;D Is this unique? Two services, that become one, to the same destination from the same origin, via different routes? Rather boringly, the 0655 is now identified in internal systems as 1O24 (0655 Yeovil Junction to Salisbury via Castle Cary); whilst the 0711 is simply 1L24 (0711 Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo). I wonder if you can get different Advance fares from Pen Mill to Waterloo depending on which of the two you choose? Title: Re: Summer 19 Timetable Post by: stuving on January 09, 2020, 12:52:25 Rather boringly, the 0655 is now identified in internal systems as 1O24 (0655 Yeovil Junction to Salisbury via Castle Cary); whilst the 0711 is simply 1L24 (0711 Yeovil Pen Mill to London Waterloo). I wonder if you can get different Advance fares from Pen Mill to Waterloo depending on which of the two you choose? That also raises a broader routeing guide question. When trains join, one of them is usually (or I suspect always) booked on data systems as terminating (and for splits, mutatis mutandis). But is it still a direct train in the sense that it must be a permitted route? Even if it takes longer that way? Obviously that might (but almost certainly doesn't) apply in this case of the same end point, but could arise from any other join/split. Update - NRJP recognises both as through trains (no change required), so there should be no problem. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |