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Title: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on January 28, 2019, 14:26:41 Reports coming in of a derailment at Penryn on the Truro-Falmouth branch.
Quote https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/live-updates-train-derails-between-2477550 The train line between Falmouth and Truro has been blocked after a train derailed. The incident happened at Penryn station at around 12.50pm. The train affected is the 12.53 service to Truro from Falmouth. The line has been completely blocked by the train that is now sitting between the two tracks. It is unknown at this stage how long it will take to rectify and when the line will reopen. Interesting photograph of Penryn in that report..... ::) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Red Squirrel on January 28, 2019, 14:35:08 Is this what is known as the Penryn Problem (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20765.msg253000#msg253000)?
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: JayMac on January 28, 2019, 14:38:55 Is there still a Bruff re-railer at Laira? And if so, is it on its way?
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on January 28, 2019, 15:07:42 Picture on Twitter at
https://twitter.com/FF_Diabir/status/1089866405338595330 Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on January 28, 2019, 15:20:34 Going to be an interesting inquiry. Looks as though its come off on the single to loop points. Its all our (my) fault for discussing the Penryn solution elsewhere on here ;D
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Red Squirrel on January 28, 2019, 16:36:34 Going to be an interesting inquiry. Looks as though its come off on the single to loop points. Its all our (my) fault for discussing the Penryn solution elsewhere on here ;D No need for an enquiry; it is very clear that the driver did not steer left when he should of. ;) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Celestial on January 28, 2019, 17:14:23 Far from it. I'm sure he "bravely battled to control his loco", as was reported some years ago, and "wrestled desperately" to keep it on the rails.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hero-at-100mph-1632744 It's quite something to think that is nearly 12 years ago now, and it remains the last fatality due to a crash on the railway (Network Rail that is.) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: JayMac on January 28, 2019, 17:49:05 No need for an enquiry; it is very clear that the driver did not steer left when he should of. ;) The 'wink' smiley is for both the 'steering' comment and the 'should of' I hope. Otherwise, you'll have to prostrate yourself at the alter of grammar. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Andy on January 28, 2019, 18:20:00 or the altar of grammar even.
;) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: JayMac on January 28, 2019, 18:41:59 or the altar of grammar even. ;) Oh blige. Not deliberate either. I'm usually so careful not to mistype when pointing out the errors of others. My petard is suitably hoisted. :-[ Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: old original on January 28, 2019, 19:12:23 Going to be an interesting inquiry. Looks as though its come off on the single to loop points. Its all our (my) fault for discussing the Penryn solution elsewhere on here ;D No need for an enquiry; it is very clear that the driver did not steer left when he should of. ;) Should have steered right.. Falmouth to Truro stays next to the platform. Truro to Falmouth then pass around on the loop. Obviously this is 150234 making a bid for freedom.... Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Red Squirrel on January 29, 2019, 07:57:20 The 'wink' smiley is for both the 'steering' comment and the 'should of' I hope. I didn't get where I am today without knowing how to avoid a homonym when I wish too... ::) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on January 29, 2019, 09:14:26 The points must have been damaged as only one train an hour in each direction running today (Tuesday 29 January).
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: TonyK on January 29, 2019, 10:35:37 I didn't get where I am today without knowing how to avoid a homonym when I wish too... ::) You are Dispatch Box, and I claim my £5. ;D Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Celestial on January 29, 2019, 10:50:37 I still smile at his explanation that he was taught "should of" at school. Really? Should of gone to a better school then.
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on February 01, 2019, 09:21:52 Now into fifth day of halved service; Journey check suggesting disruption to end of day, and an update within two hours. Very much the same yesterday ... does anyone know when the service is likely to be back to half hourly?
Are the two units that normally cross a Penryn running coupled, to make for half the trains but each with double the capacity? Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 01, 2019, 10:04:21 The points must have been damaged as only one train an hour in each direction running today (Tuesday 29 January). Has there been an ongoing issue? Halved services have been regular occurrence due to points issues for some time before the derailment Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 01, 2019, 10:14:44 I've seen some photographs elsewhere that seem to show (well they aren't very clear) that the point switch rail tip has been broken on the set of points involved. Knowing that NR doesn't normally keep spares of everything to hand, I suspect delivery and installation of the replacement will take some time.
Speculation Alert: Wonder if it was broken before the derailment...... ::) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: bobm on February 01, 2019, 10:29:03 Are the two units that normally cross a Penryn running coupled, to make for half the trains but each with double the capacity? Looking at Tiger, it would appear not. http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30475D.xml (http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30475D.xml) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: phile on February 01, 2019, 11:28:58 Are the two units that normally cross a Penryn running coupled, to make for half the trains but each with double the capacity? Looking at Tiger, it would appear not. http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30475D.xml (http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30475D.xml) Buses are in operation to supplement the reduced train service Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: RailCornwall on February 02, 2019, 17:54:34 Been on a reccy as hourly service continues .... Photos taken at around 5.30pm tonight.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyaxpaoX0AEbzvz.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyaxpanWwAAs26x.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyaxpaqXQAA3GkT.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyaxpapXcAARk2X.jpg) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 02, 2019, 19:14:15 Thanks for posting those.
Speculation Alert: Well, as far as I can tell, from the damage caused (that looks as its subsequently been repaired) as if the points moved as the train was passing over them..... Its usually no more that a day or two to repair such damage, so I suspect more to it than we know. As it was a passenger train derailment I suspect RAIB will be involved and we will hear something from them in the next few weeks. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on February 02, 2019, 19:55:00 Its usually no more that a day or two to repair such damage, so I suspect more to it than we know. ... I suspect so, and how times have changed. After the Harrow and Wealdstone smash on 8th October 1952, all lines were re-opened on the evening of 12th - four and a half days. So far it's been five and a half days at Penryn ... which (thank goodness) was a low speed derailment with no-one hurt, compared to 112 killed in 1952 at Harrow and Wealdstone. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: GBM on February 03, 2019, 09:29:14 Been on a reccy as hourly service continues .... Photos taken at around 5.30pm tonight. Lovely shots RC. Thank you for them ;D Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: RailCornwall on February 03, 2019, 18:23:50 Work to be performed tonight, line closing early with RRB services in place. Full service restoration expected from 04-Feb-2019
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Truro and Falmouth Docks the line will be blocked. Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day. Customer Advice: From 19:55 train services from Truro to Falmouth Docks will be suspended until the end of service and from 20:22 train services from Falmouth Docks to Truro will be suspended until the end of service. Replacement road transport services will convey passengers between Truro and Falmouth Docks in both directions between 19:55 03/02/19 and 23:30 03/02/19. Additional Information: This line closure will allow Network Rail to carry out testing on the points and signalling equipment which has been damaged in the Penryn area and allow GWR to run the full train service. Once these tests are complete, we are planning to run a full timetable of train services from the start of service on Monday 04th February. (gwr.com) Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: old original on February 04, 2019, 06:41:24 Well that hasn't happened. Now expected full service at 14.00hrs, but I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: old original on February 04, 2019, 13:35:08 Nope, thought so.... hourly all day, last three journeys cancelled again.
How long does it take to fix one set of points? Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on February 04, 2019, 14:07:53 Nope, thought so.... hourly all day, last three journeys cancelled again. How long does it take to fix one set of points? Have to go back to the beginning when someone orders up an ST 240 and only when it's delivered realises they should have ordered an ST 241 ;D Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: bradshaw on February 04, 2019, 14:24:16 Surely GWR should have posted an explanation for the continuing delay. Just restating the cause was a slow speed derailment no longer cuts it.
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: Oxonhutch on February 04, 2019, 15:05:37 Maybe in the course of commissioning and testing they have discovered why the train was able to split the points and cause the derailment. The issue might be larger than the points themselves.
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: rower40 on February 04, 2019, 16:41:40 Been on a reccy as hourly service continues .... Photos taken at around 5.30pm tonight. Lovely shots RC. Thank you for them ;D <Tongue-firmly-in-cheek mode> If you ask me, the problem would appear to be the big block of wood between the switch rail and the stock rail near the platform edge, and the two yellow G-clamp thingies holding the other switch rail to the other stock rail. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: bobm on February 04, 2019, 20:04:55 Still, given the discussions we had sometime back about the use of these type of points on the Melksham single line, it would be good to get any bugs out of the design before they come to Wiltshire. ;D
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on February 05, 2019, 08:39:09 Some cancellations again this morning
Quote 08:20 Falmouth Docks to Truro due 08:48 08:20 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 08:44 08:50 Falmouth Docks to Truro due 09:18 08:50 Falmouth Docks to Truro due 09:18 will be cancelled. This is due to a problem currently under investigation. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: bobm on February 05, 2019, 13:19:50 I don't think this was anything to do with the problems at Penryn. There was a signalling issue getting the second unit onto the branch.
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 07, 2019, 11:08:36 As suspected, but not a full investigation: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passenger-train-derailment-at-penryn
Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on February 07, 2019, 12:23:46 They will be publishing a safety digest.
Quote When it is clear that the safety learning from an event has been identified by a previous investigation or relates to compliance with existing rules, we may choose to publish a safety digest, rather than carry out a full investigation. Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: grahame on April 11, 2019, 12:31:53 They will be publishing a safety digest. Now out at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safety-digest-032019-penryn/passenger-train-derailment-at-penryn-28-january-2019 not to be confused with yesterday's safety digest about a level crossing collision at the other Penryn! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safety-digest-022019-penrhyn-lc/level-crossing-accident-at-penrhyn-ffestiniog-railway-6-january-2019 Title: Re: Derailment at Penryn 28 January 2019 Post by: SandTEngineer on April 11, 2019, 13:42:19 Yes, I received that earlier today and deleted it before reailsing it was the 'other' Penryn ::)
Interesting to note that the technical investigation is still ongoing some two months after the incident. I have heard a slightly different story about events leading up to the derailment (can't repeat it here), and I'm not yet convinced as to the preliminary conlusions reached by RAIB. Time will tell. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |