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Title: Prices at station shops
Post by: grahame on February 17, 2019, 02:34:52 am
from the Sunday Mirror (https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/huge-markups-price-snacks-station-14004342)

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Huge markups to the price of snacks as "station rip off" revealed in full

Prices of some snacks almost triple if you buy them at the station rather than on the high street a Sunday Mirror investigation can reveal

High street giants have been accused of ripping off train ­travellers with runaway prices at their booming station shops.

Chains including WH Smith, M&S and Greggs charge up to three times as much for chocolate, sweets and drinks as in other branches of the same firms.

As families hit the railways for half-term days out, we compared prices at mainline station shops and high streets.

A family-sized Cadbury Dairy Milk bar and a bag of Maynards Wine Gums both cost £1 in a high street branch of WH Smith – yet in a station they are £1.99 and £2.99 respectively. Other mark-ups can be found at M&S Simply Food, where a 70p bottle of mineral water and a £2.60 tub of M&S Rocky Road Mini Bites cost £1 and £2.80.

At Pret a Manger’s Eurostar St Pancras branch, some sandwiches cost 19p more while at Greggs a 90p sausage roll becomes £1.15.

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Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Reginald25 on February 17, 2019, 06:53:29 am
Some companies, (fast food for example) charge exactly the same whether in the station or out. But I get the impression that shops with offers outside (241s etc) often do not in stations/motorway services etc. I avoid trying to buy snacks at stations, preferring to get something much cheaper just outside. But to be fair, I imagine they pay very rents for space in a station which has be covered somehow.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 17, 2019, 07:27:11 am
Twas ever thus.....rail stations, motorway services, airports....


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2019, 07:32:34 am
Nothing new but not as bad as airport prices which are appalling. €6 for an egg sandwich, €2 for a small bottle of water in Lisbon airport the other day just two examples of daylight robbery.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Clan Line on February 17, 2019, 10:32:47 am
Twas ever thus.....rail stations, motorway services, airports....

Yes..............but..............it's usually the wrong people "wot gets the blame" ! Could I recommend "The Undercover Economist" by Tim Harford - the first chapter in this book goes into the cost of a coffee at Waterloo.......... and the people who are making the most money out of it aren't Costa/Starbucks etc, etc.

Motorway service areas come in for a huge amount of (largely unjustified) flak. People complain about the exorbitant prices therein when they stop for the "free" loos and "free" parking which have to be available 365/24/7. Who's getting the most out of this ? not M & S/WH Smith or Burger King.

When I get the 1920 out of Waterloo I usually get something from Upper Crust beforehand to have with a coffee on the train. The baguettes from there are good quality, always fresh and not too bad price wise - would I rather pay half as much for the kind of fare (edible type !) that was available years ago at stations or on the trains ? I think not.  Having said that, I was horrified when my daughter told me what she paid there for a Cornish Pasty a couple of weeks ago  :o


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 17, 2019, 10:51:44 am
Twas ever thus.....rail stations, motorway services, airports....

Yes..............but..............it's usually the wrong people "wot gets the blame" ! Could I recommend "The Undercover Economist" by Tim Harford - the first chapter in this book goes into the cost of a coffee at Waterloo.......... and the people who are making the most money out of it aren't Costa/Starbucks etc, etc.

Motorway service areas come in for a huge amount of (largely unjustified) flak. People complain about the exorbitant prices therein when they stop for the "free" loos and "free" parking which have to be available 365/24/7. Who's getting the most out of this ? not M & S/WH Smith or Burger King.

When I get the 1920 out of Waterloo I usually get something from Upper Crust beforehand to have with a coffee on the train. The baguettes from there are good quality, always fresh and not too bad price wise - would I rather pay half as much for the kind of fare (edible type !) that was available years ago at stations or on the trains ? I think not.  Having said that, I was horrified when my daughter told me what she paid there for a Cornish Pasty a couple of weeks ago  :o

There's an M & S at Waterloo - get a sandwich from there instead of Upper Crust and over the course of a year you will probably save enough to get a 1st class season ticket!  :)


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: johnneyw on February 17, 2019, 11:03:37 am
A slow news day at The Mirror? Costly outlets at rail stations can hardly be a revelation to most people. I tend to plan any eating arrangements to exclude station outlet options.
Once though, at Temple Meads, I had a slight case of the munchies but after a quick look at the prices of the pasties in the underpass, I suddenly didn't feel all that hungry any more.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: CyclingSid on February 17, 2019, 11:11:57 am
Probably worse than the prices at stations are the prices at shops in hospitals, very much a captive audience.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: bignosemac on February 17, 2019, 12:07:46 pm
Although if such shops are run by a League of Friends or similar charitable/benevolent organisation then it's perhaps a little more agreeable if their prices are higher than the 'outside'. Run by volunteers, who often provide a bedside service too, their profits are used to provide the goods, help and assistance to inpatients that aren't provided by the NHS. My last time as an inpatient, an emergency admission, I had no money on me for toiletries. The LoF provided me with complimentary items.

In hospitals where there is a choice between a brand outlet, such as an M&S Food or WHSmith, and a League of Friends, then I'll choose the latter wherever possible.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 17, 2019, 12:24:16 pm
...after a quick look at the prices of the pasties in the underpass, I suddenly didn't feel all that hungry any more.

You have more willpower than me; I can't pass the shop in the underpass without investing in a veggie pastie, they just smell soooo good! - highlight of my day, and worth every penny! YMMV!


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: grahame on February 17, 2019, 12:38:46 pm
A slow news day at The Mirror? Costly outlets at rail stations can hardly be a revelation to most people. I tend to plan any eating arrangements to exclude station outlet options.
Once though, at Temple Meads, I had a slight case of the munchies but after a quick look at the prices of the pasties in the underpass, I suddenly didn't feel all that hungry any more.

Ditto - wherever the money goes, my purchases at most station outlets tend to be "distress purchases".  I'm fortunate in not having to worry about how I pay my electric bill if I spend the money on a pastie, but knowing what I've paid can degrade the pleasure of the experience of even a really fresh product.



Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: didcotdean on February 17, 2019, 02:35:14 pm
Back in the day BAA used to make big play in their advertising that prices in the shops in their airports were at least the same as those in the equivalent high street outlets. Although some of these would have benefited from the VAT regime airside.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: johnneyw on February 17, 2019, 04:27:29 pm
For the sake of fairness, a number of coffee outlets at stations are on or about the same prices as what you are likely to pay in the town. The underpass coffee stall at Temple Meads gives a very decent cup for a reasonably comparable price to elsewhere.

Those familiar with Redland Station will probably also remember and sadly miss the excellent Coffee Trike run by Kiera on weekday mornings until 2 or 3 years back.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 17, 2019, 05:27:38 pm
...after a quick look at the prices of the pasties in the underpass, I suddenly didn't feel all that hungry any more.

You have more willpower than me; I can't pass the shop in the underpass without investing in a veggie pastie, they just smell soooo good! - highlight of my day, and worth every penny! YMMV!

To paraphrase Donald Tusk, there is a special place in hell reserved for those who describe such a thing as a "pasty" - heresy!  ;)


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 17, 2019, 06:53:30 pm
For the sake of fairness, a number of coffee outlets at stations are on or about the same prices as what you are likely to pay in the town. The underpass coffee stall at Temple Meads gives a very decent cup for a reasonably comparable price to elsewhere.

Those familiar with Redland Station will probably also remember and sadly miss the excellent Coffee Trike run by Kiera on weekday mornings until 2 or 3 years back.

for those who remember Kiera at Redland and her great coffee ,I had the pleasure of speaking with her just before Christmas, she's well and enjoying life doing something completely different these days.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: FremlinsMan on February 19, 2019, 12:03:43 am
...after a quick look at the prices of the pasties in the underpass, I suddenly didn't feel all that hungry any more.

You have more willpower than me; I can't pass the shop in the underpass without investing in a veggie pastie, they just smell soooo good! - highlight of my day, and worth every penny! YMMV!
Your Munchies May Vary!


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2019, 09:43:46 am
Rental fees for commercial space at stations are higher thann the high street, and they need to be paid for unfortunately - ditto airports. Premium space attracts higher rents.

The only national chain that doesn't seem to up their prices - certainly on food & drink - is Boots, where the same prices & offers (241s etc) are found at stations as in the high street. I guess their rents are all poled & national pricing covers these in total.

Of course, shops like M&S in stations are concessions,not run by the chain (SSP in M&S case) & thus can't pool their rents with their high street rents, hence charging more than M&S high street outlets.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TonyK on February 19, 2019, 10:22:47 am
Some companies, (fast food for example) charge exactly the same whether in the station or out. But I get the impression that shops with offers outside (241s etc) often do not in stations/motorway services etc. I avoid trying to buy snacks at stations, preferring to get something much cheaper just outside. But to be fair, I imagine they pay very rents for space in a station which has be covered somehow.

My own strategy for long journeys. For shorter ones, it's "Don't eat".


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: grahame on April 11, 2019, 11:14:58 pm
from ITV (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-11/why-products-are-more-expensive-in-train-stations-than-the-high-street/)

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How many times have you bought a last-minute essential item at a railway station - and been shocked at how much more it costs than on the high street?

At rail stations, consumers can find convenience but it often comes at a price and businesses claim the mark-ups are because of rental costs.

But concerned customers have an ally - the boss of Network Rail, who told ITV News there's no need to charge extra.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: rogerw on April 12, 2019, 09:35:59 am
At the larger stations it also pays to shop around the various retail outlets. An example I found recently at Waterloo was extra strong mints 99p in WH Smiths, 65p in Boots


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Timmer on April 12, 2019, 10:00:01 am
Nothing compared to the sheer and utter daylight robbery taking place in Airports around the world.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 12, 2019, 11:41:40 am
My daughter just flew back from Naples having texted me to say she'd spent €40 (of my money!) on chocolate at the airport. Foolishly, I mentally translated that to mean 'a lot'...  :'(


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: bobm on April 12, 2019, 12:56:43 pm
Rental fees for commercial space at stations are higher thann the high street, and they need to be paid for unfortunately - ditto airports. Premium space attracts higher rents.

Ironically that has not been the case at some GWR stations where some units have been paying a rent way below market rates for years and have not had to cover the cost of power or rubbish collections.    GWR is now looking at this and talking to unit owners to put the relationship on a more business like footing.   It isn't just about the rent however - in some cases the presence of a unit has other benefits - like greater station security or waiting facilities which is being factored in.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: ChrisB on April 15, 2019, 12:51:24 pm
At the larger stations it also pays to shop around the various retail outlets. An example I found recently at Waterloo was extra strong mints 99p in WH Smiths, 65p in Boots

Boots seem to be the only retailer who charge the same price in their station/airport sites as in the high streets. For which reason, they get a lot of my trade. Special offers seem to be the same too!


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 15, 2019, 12:55:28 pm
Boots seem to be the only retailer who charge the same price in their station/airport sites as in the high streets. For which reason, they get a lot of my trade. Special offers seem to be the same too!

They get a lot of my trade, too.  Exceptionally good value meal deals!


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TonyK on May 14, 2019, 08:11:26 pm
Nothing compared to the sheer and utter daylight robbery taking place in Airports around the world.

They have you by the short ones there, though, with the "No liquids" rule. Hence a bottle of water can cost up to £1.50, as opposed to 19p in Tesco or Lidl. Boots, as stated, still offer their meal deal, at least at Bristol Airport.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: Timmer on May 15, 2019, 06:18:57 am
Nothing compared to the sheer and utter daylight robbery taking place in Airports around the world.

They have you by the short ones there, though, with the "No liquids" rule. Hence a bottle of water can cost up to £1.50, as opposed to 19p in Tesco or Lidl. Boots, as stated, still offer their meal deal, at least at Bristol Airport.
Do you mean Superdrug Tony? No Boots at Bristol Airport sadly.


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: basset44 on May 15, 2019, 08:07:32 am

One thing Bristol Airport has now is a water fountain not far from Superdrug by the Toilets, just take a empty plastic water bottle through security and fill it.

The worse prices for water was at the German Airports, they also charge a refundable deposit of about 2 euros on top of about 5 euros for a standard water.

Basset


Title: Re: Prices at station shops
Post by: TonyK on May 15, 2019, 02:04:50 pm
Nothing compared to the sheer and utter daylight robbery taking place in Airports around the world.

They have you by the short ones there, though, with the "No liquids" rule. Hence a bottle of water can cost up to £1.50, as opposed to 19p in Tesco or Lidl. Boots, as stated, still offer their meal deal, at least at Bristol Airport.
Do you mean Superdrug Tony? No Boots at Bristol Airport sadly.

My apologies (pronounced as in "Black Adder") - I am confusing it with Heathrow, Gatwick, or somewhere else I have flown out of recently. I think, with hindsight and a discussion with my equally confused wife Viv, that it may even have been W H Smith. Others are, of course, available (retailers, that is, not wives).



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