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Title: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 06:37:44 am
Reports that a train has been in collision with a car on Stoke Cannon level
crossing between Exeter St Davidís and Tiverton Parkway.

It happened shortly after 6am.

At least one service (05:53 from Plymouth) diverting via Honiton.

05:29 from Plymouth terminated at Exeter and the 06:28 from Exeter to Paddington cancelled throughout.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: GBM on March 28, 2019, 06:50:23 am
https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/

Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway
Due to a person being hit by a train between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton Parkway all lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 08:15 28/03.
Last Updated:28/03/2019 06:30

2D02 0600 Exeter St. David's - Bristol Parkway (GW) ? seems to have stopped
2B70 0548 Exeter St. David's - Barnstaple (GW) also seems at a stop

Thoughts with all involved.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 28, 2019, 07:03:32 am
2D02 involved. Various reports, person hit or car hit


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: GBM on March 28, 2019, 07:10:25 am
From Devon Live https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-trains-live-cancelled-exeter-2693842

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All Devon trains are being cancelled or delayed on Thursday morning as emergency services deal with an incident on the line.

Great Western Railway reports a person has been hit by a train.

All services have been stopped on the line between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton after an incident this morning.

Police and other emergency services are currently at the scene and rail operating companies have told passengers to expect delays.

We will bring you live updates as we get them.


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Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 07:45:53 am
The 05:05 from Penzance and 06:35 from Paddington also going via Honiton. 

That line has had its problems too this morning after a South Western Railway service hit two obstacles on the line a couple of miles apart. 


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Timmer on March 28, 2019, 07:48:06 am
Now saying disruption is expected until 8pm.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2019, 08:35:14 am
All in all quite a challenging morning for GWR and it's passengers in the South West.

Quoting bobm (for conssistency) in each case ...

The 05:05 from Penzance and 06:35 from Paddington also going via Honiton. 

That line has had its problems too this morning after a South Western Railway service hit two obstacles on the line a couple of miles apart. 

Reports that the Token Hut at Eggesford Station has caught fire.

In addition a train is in difficulties at Newton St Cyres after hitting an obstruction on the track.

Reports that a train has been in collision with a car on Stoke Cannon level
crossing between Exeter St Davidís and Tiverton Parkway.

It happened shortly after 6am.

Co-incidence, does this happen most mornings and we don't notice it, or are there some commections. 5 locations!


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TonyK on March 28, 2019, 09:18:05 am
I'm at Tiverton Parkway awaiting Megabus fortunately. No trains at all. The PA says person hit by train, but the staff confirm it's a car.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TonyK on March 28, 2019, 09:19:47 am
Stop press: a train has just arrived from Paddingtonn. Buses are awaited. I think the train was due to to Paignton.
Devon Live reports that a person has died after a car was hit at Stake Canon level crossing.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: rogerw on March 28, 2019, 09:26:21 am
Also disruptions and cancellations on the Barnstaple line following damage to signalling equipment resulting from a lineside fire


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2019, 09:30:26 am
I'm at Tiverton Parkway awaiting Megabus fortunately. No trains at all. The PA says person hit by train, but the staff confirm it's a car.

With a 10 hour estimate for return to normal working, it's not just one of those sadly-too-frequent clear cases of a person being hit and their being immediate evidence as to why.  A person within a car would fit both descriptions given, and would also tally with the longer period of line closure, but we should wait and learn.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 28, 2019, 09:37:45 am
Set La26 involved 0600 Exeter st Davidís to Bristol Parkway.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 28, 2019, 09:41:38 am
Not wishing to speculate but Stoke Cannon is a full barrier level crossing controlled by CCTV from Exeter Panel. So if a car is involved then it must have been a very deliberate action or a very unfortunate set of circumstances just outside the barriers, and that would explain the long line closure.  The train involved was one of the GTi sets.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: plymothian on March 28, 2019, 09:42:56 am
D&S Fire Service state that the token hut at Eggesford has been burnt to the ground in suspicous circumstances; there has also been a suspisious package found and will now discussing the need for bomb disposal experts.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 28, 2019, 09:58:51 am
Stoke Cannon incident now confirmed as a car hit on level crossing.  One fatality in the car but no injuries on the train.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TonyK on March 28, 2019, 10:05:22 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/person-dies-after-car-hit-2694158.amp

It looks from RTT to have been the Exeter to Bristol Parkway local stopper


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: jamestheredengine on March 28, 2019, 10:06:58 am
The National Rail website is currently offering the following brilliant advice:

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Alternative travel options:

CrossCountry customers may also use their tickets on the following services:
[...]
Great Western Railway between Penzance and Bristol Temple Meads

[...]

Great Western Railway customers may use their tickets on the following services
[...]
CrossCountry between Penzance and Bristol Temple Meads


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 28, 2019, 10:13:36 am
But in fairness I suppose that means that you could use any train between Penzance and Bristol (via the Mule) and not have to wait for a specific train that might be cancelled.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 28, 2019, 10:14:59 am
Simply means theyíve removed toc specific restrictions


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: plymothian on March 28, 2019, 10:16:20 am
The National Rail website is currently offering the following brilliant advice:

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Alternative travel options:

CrossCountry customers may also use their tickets on the following services:
[...]
Great Western Railway between Penzance and Bristol Temple Meads

[...]

Great Western Railway customers may use their tickets on the following services
[...]
CrossCountry between Penzance and Bristol Temple Meads

Well yes it is true, its not only going to affect the blocked area, all Intercity trains to Devon and Cornwall orginate from north of Taunton.

If you have a XC ticket between Bristol and Exeter, you can use a GWR divereted via Yeovil, or a GWR RRB.  
If you have a GWR ticket between Exeter and Plymouth, you can use a XC train that has been turned short.

Basically, while things are up shit creek, use any train that comes along.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: phile on March 28, 2019, 12:52:36 pm
From Devon Live https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-trains-live-cancelled-exeter-2693842

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All Devon trains are being cancelled or delayed on Thursday morning as emergency services deal with an incident on the line.

Great Western Railway reports a person has been hit by a train.

All services have been stopped on the line between Exeter St Davids and Tiverton after an incident this morning.

Police and other emergency services are currently at the scene and rail operating companies have told passengers to expect delays.

We will bring you live updates as we get them.


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 ⚠️ A person has been hit by a train between #ExeterStDavids and #TivertonParkway and all lines between the two stations are currently blocked. Updates to follow.

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Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed.

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Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: James Vertigan on March 28, 2019, 01:32:26 pm
Thank goodness the set remained railed. Always a worry considering what happened at Ufton Nervet.

Thoughts of course with the family of the deceased and with the crew of the set involved.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 01:35:57 pm
Welcome back James, despite the circumstances.

I believe the problem at Ufton Nervet was the train derailed on a set of points immediately after the crossing at the entrance to the goods loop.   Thankfully at Stoke Canon the crossing is on a piece of plain line.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 28, 2019, 02:16:08 pm
Looks like itís being  linked to various other incidents in Devon involving the railway this morning.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/man-20s-killed-live-exeter-2695637

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Police have confirmed a man in his early 20s died after a car was hit by a train in Devon on Thursday morning.

British Transport Police say a 23-year-old man from Exeter was pronounced dead at the scene at a level crossing in Stoke Canon on Thursday morning.

His family have been informed, and the death is not currently being treated as suspicious, however officers continue to make inquiries to establish the full circumstances leading to the vehicle and man being struck by a train.

Police say that following this incident, three further incidents were brought to the attention of officers within the proximity of Stoke Canon.

This includes a train striking objects at Newton St Cyres and at Crannaford, as well as a line-side fire at Eggesford.

All four incidents are being treated as linked, although at this time officers are not tracing anyone else in connection.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 28, 2019, 02:26:47 pm
Not wishing to speculate but Stoke Cannon is a full barrier level crossing controlled by CCTV from Exeter Panel. So if a car is involved then it must have been a very deliberate action or a very unfortunate set of circumstances just outside the barriers, and that would explain the long line closure.  The train involved was one of the GTi sets.

The photographs emerging show no damage to the level crossing equipment.  I therefore suspect (and its just my own opinion) that the car was driven off the level crossing when the barriers were up, onto the tracks outside of the range of the level crossing CCTV system.  Time will tell.  I think we were very lucky the train didn't derail as it appears to have pushed the car nearly half a mile along the track before coming to rest.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bignosemac on March 28, 2019, 03:27:27 pm
The incidents are now all being linked by the BTP and reported in the press. Scenes of crime officers are at the various locations and BTP have stated they are not looking for anyone else.


Mods, I think it safe to merge this topic with the one covering the incident at Stoke Canon LC.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TonyK on March 28, 2019, 03:35:27 pm
I agree with merging the two, but shall have to let someone else do it. I am at a hotel at Heathrow with only tablet or phone to connect.
There are also a couple of new posts in the Eggesford Station thread that are relevant.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2019, 03:56:17 pm
I agree with merging the two, but shall have to let someone else do it. I am at a hotel at Heathrow with only tablet or phone to connect.
There are also a couple of new posts in the Eggesford Station thread that are relevant.

Thanks for that challenge ... I have merged today's two new threads (you are reading the merged thread here) an I'm going to add a note that the Eggesford comments are at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=2227.msg261337#msg261337 ... I will add a link there to here.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 28, 2019, 05:34:36 pm
Not wishing to speculate but Stoke Cannon is a full barrier level crossing controlled by CCTV from Exeter Panel. So if a car is involved then it must have been a very deliberate action or a very unfortunate set of circumstances just outside the barriers, and that would explain the long line closure.  The train involved was one of the GTi sets.

The photographs emerging show no damage to the level crossing equipment.  I therefore suspect (and its just my own opinion) that the car was driven off the level crossing when the barriers were up, onto the tracks outside of the range of the level crossing CCTV system.  Time will tell.  I think we were very lucky the train didn't derail as it appears to have pushed the car nearly half a mile along the track before coming to rest.

Your theory is identical to mine!

The deceased also appears to have had  internal knowledge.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Pb_devon on March 28, 2019, 06:38:16 pm
BBC Spotlight has run this as the lead item, with footage from the scene including the train. Once the programme has finished it will be available on iplayer for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bignosemac on March 28, 2019, 07:00:35 pm
The 2+4 HST set is on its way back to Laira. Through Dawlish about 15 minutes ago.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 28, 2019, 07:39:10 pm
Sad day all around, my thoughts to the family of the person who was involved,and let's all take a moment to recognise the work of all the emergency services who literally have to pick up the pieces after incidents like this .

Also of note, that it was at Stoke Canon,iirc that my namesake Western Pathfinder,sustained damage leading to its withdrawal and eventually its scrapping,when involved in a collision with a permanent way teams road vehicle,up until that point it had been a strong contender for preservation.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 28, 2019, 11:36:16 pm
The deceased also appears to have had internal knowledge.

The person who died was indeed a member of railway staff.

A very sad day: may I offer our condolences from this forum to his family and friends.



Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: drenahmeti22 on March 29, 2019, 01:41:31 am
I have returned to this forum after a lengthy break, nice to still see everyoneís still here.
My condolences go out to the family of the deceased, the driver and on-board crew, as well as the team at Exeter and all the MOMís, LOMís and many other people who were involved in this.

I happen to know the guy involved in this, as well as the events of today, so Iím not going to come in here and join the speculation, nor will I identify the gentleman until heís officially been identified.
But at first, thatís what I did too - speculated - as itís natural human inquisitiveness to speculate and theorise.
But I was briefed on the situation, and realisation hit, and thatís what I want to echo here, is that as decent humans weíre all in this together. Donít forget that.
Feel free to contact me if anyone needs someone to talk to.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: James Vertigan on March 29, 2019, 02:19:42 am
Absolutely gut wrenching to learn that the person who lost his life at Stoke Canon was a member of the railway family. Condolences with all those who knew him.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: LiskeardRich on March 29, 2019, 06:53:24 am
The deceased also appears to have had internal knowledge.

The person who died was indeed a member of railway staff.

A very sad day: may I offer our condolences from this forum to his family and friends.



Sadly since I made that post i discovered it to be someone I knew of. Iíd met him on occasion through friends.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 29, 2019, 07:10:42 am
I have returned to this forum after a lengthy break, nice to still see everyoneís still here.
My condolences go out to the family of the deceased, the driver and on-board crew, as well as the team at Exeter and all the MOMís, LOMís and many other people who were involved in this.

...

But I was briefed on the situation, and realisation hit, and thatís what I want to echo here, is that as decent humans weíre all in this together. Donít forget that.

Feel free to contact me if anyone needs someone to talk to.

Sadly since I made that post i discovered it to be someone I knew of. Iíd met him on occasion through friends.

For friends / contacts, the South West Railways and Heritage Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/509389662424579/) on Facebook - which is not a public group, is carrying a considerable number of comments of condolence, shock and tribute from both on-line contacts and people who knew him in real life.  Reading there shows such a depth the re-affirms the personal cost and tragedy all around, and our love for one another each in our own way, and if you are a member of that group I commend you to it.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 29, 2019, 07:31:05 am
Sympathies all around and thankful that none of his actions caused a greater tragedy.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bignosemac on March 29, 2019, 12:07:21 pm
Adult male mental health problems are all too common. And very often the individual keeps their struggles hidden from those closest to them, particularly younger men who fear showing emotion among their peers. Being 'one of the lads' can and does lead to bottling things up.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 29, 2019, 03:00:30 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, please let's quietly reflect on yesterday's events and bear in mind as we post the depth beyond the headlines and the personal tragedies beyond what's public.  And, yes, thank goodness that there were no further phyiscal injuries (though for sure there will be deep emotional injuries).

I have moved a follow up on this thread to the moderator's area as I was concerened. I don't know if that was the right thing to do, or over-reaction; call it a precaution and I'm asking my fellow moderators to give their views. The post may be returned if it turns out I was out of order.  On new ground here - most of the elements of the tragedy are ones w have seen before, but they cam together yesterday in a perfect storm.  At the least I hope we learn from that storm - and that helps us never have the same storm again.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bignosemac on March 29, 2019, 03:23:16 pm
A purely factual update. It's been confirmed in the media that the young man who died was a GWR employee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47748980


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: drenahmeti22 on March 29, 2019, 06:35:52 pm
I have moved a follow up on this thread to the moderator's area as I was concerened. I don't know if that was the right thing to do, or over-reaction; call it a precaution and I'm asking my fellow moderators to give their views.
You can have a memberís view.
I donít feel it would be a right thing to do, as most information on this case is internal and sensitive.
If this was a railway workersí forum, Iíd be happy to release a bit more information on this; as this is public, I donít feel it would be appropriate to.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 29, 2019, 06:50:39 pm
A great deal of sensitivity will be deployed when dealing with this matter,rest assured.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on March 29, 2019, 07:06:48 pm
I have moved a follow up on this thread to the moderator's area as I was concerened. I don't know if that was the right thing to do, or over-reaction; call it a precaution and I'm asking my fellow moderators to give their views.
You can have a memberís view.
I donít feel it would be a right thing to do, as most information on this case is internal and sensitive.
If this was a railway workersí forum, Iíd be happy to release a bit more information on this; as this is public, I donít feel it would be appropriate to.

Reading back, what I said could be read in two ways.  I've asked the rest of the moderator team for their views on whether the removal of a post from this thread was correct or over-reaction. I certainly have not encouraged them to post views on what happened around the Exeter area yesterday, though I note with hindsight my description could be read that way.

Looking at the post I removed, conclusion is that it was a very close call but on balance probably the right action.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: TheLastMinute on April 02, 2019, 10:00:06 pm
I've read that the driver and guard who were directly involved in last weeks sad incident are running the Taunton Half Marathon this Sunday 7th April and have decided to raise money for the Samaritans.

Their donation page is available here (https://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/adamgary) if you're interested in donating to this worthy cause.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: Phantom on April 03, 2019, 09:49:44 am
I've read that the driver and guard who were directly involved in last weeks sad incident are running the Taunton Half Marathon this Sunday 7th April and have decided to raise money for the Samaritans.

Their donation page is available here (https://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/adamgary) if you're interested in donating to this worthy cause.

Fair play to them both, can't imagine what they must be going through emotionally at the moment


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bobm on April 03, 2019, 09:54:10 am
Indeed - hopefully it gives them something positive to focus on.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: bignosemac on April 09, 2019, 07:27:24 pm
The inquest into the death of GWR trainee guard Matt Ryder, aged 23, was opened yesterday.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/inquest-opens-death-gwr-guard-2735931

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Matthew Charles Ryder died at a Stoke Canon level crossing, six miles North of Exeter

An inquest has been opened into the death of a 23-year-old railway employee who was killed on train tracks near Exeter.

Matthew Charles Ryder, from Exeter, died on Thursday, March 28 after he and a vehicle were struck by a train at a level crossing in Stoke Canon.

The train enthusiast is thought to have followed his father into a dream career as a guard at GWR, after being regular at train-spotting events in the county.

The collision which caused his death has been linked by British Transport Police (BTP) to a series of incidents on the line that same day.

The Devon County Coroner has confirmed that a preliminary date of November 28, 2019, has been set for an inquest at County Hall.

Scores of floral tributes have been placed at the level crossing on Green Lane since the collision.

Scattered among them are Pepsi and Dr Pepper drinks cans and toys. Heartfelt messages beside the flowers include messages from his family, referring to their 'little boy'.






Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: plymothian on April 09, 2019, 11:25:46 pm
Eugh.

I hate press speculation.


However, Gary and Adam have raised nearly £4,000 for The Samaritans in their Taunton Half Marathon run,


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: grahame on April 10, 2019, 07:36:28 am
Sometimes the press speculates, and sometimes it reports inaccurately (i.e. wrong).  Sometimes it's incomplete to the extent of giving the wrong impression.  Think about how many times you read a report of something close to your 'heart' and think 'that's not actually right'.

Reports will continue to be reported here, I'm sure; I have temporarily removed (for advise from the moderation team) a followup which analysed Devon Live.  A tradeoff between speech as free as possible, and adding 2 and 2, getting about 20, and being far from helpful to Matt's friends and family without really being in the public interest.

Thoughts remain very much with Matt's friends and family. The system will turn its wheels, no doubt frustratingly slowly, to look into what went wrong and in the meantime we should be patient; impatience is going to gain nothing.


Title: Re: Man dies at Stoke Canon level crossing and related incidents - 28 Mar 2019
Post by: CyclingSid on April 10, 2019, 07:48:27 am
It also has to be remembered that local press has been severely cut because of web news. It is now relatively rare for them to be able to cover courts in person.



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