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Title: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 22, 2019, 14:27:35
Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48365241

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British Steel has been placed in compulsory liquidation, putting 5,000 jobs at risk and endangering 20,000 in the supply chain.

The move follows a breakdown in rescue talks between the government and the company's owner, Greybull.

The Government's Official Receiver has taken control of the company as part of the liquidation process.

The search for a buyer for British Steel has already begun. In the meantime, it will trade normally.

The Official Receiver said British Steel Ltd had been wound up in the High Court and the immediate priority was to continue safe operation of the site.

The company was transferred to the Official Receiver because British Steel, its shareholders and the government were not able to, or would not, support the business. That meant the company did not have to funds to pay for an administration.

The other companies within the British Steel group are continuing to trade as normal and are not in insolvency.

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British Steel customer Network Rail sources 95% of its rails from British Steel's Scunthorpe plant.

In a statement, the rail infrastructure operator said it had been working closely with British Steel and the government for "many weeks".

"We have done what we can to help ease the company's financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company - increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule - as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow."

It is understood the company has enough stockpiles to keep it going until other suppliers can increase production.

Now, lets wait and see all those hard right Tory BREXITEERS stand up and vote to nationalise it to start rebuilding a 'free' Britiain.........


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: ChrisB on May 22, 2019, 14:55:04
Frankly, the Hedge fund owner is mainly to blame, and yes, their EU order have dried up, so those mainly *left-wing* Labour voters/BS workers hoodwinked into voting brexit are to blame. The former loading the company with debt so it can't stand upright...


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: Robin Summerhill on May 22, 2019, 15:13:56
Quote from: SandTEngineer

Now, lets wait and see all those hard right Tory BREXITEERS stand up and vote to nationalise it to start rebuilding a 'free' Britiain.........

Well it's not currently looking like they are.

Meanwhile, a fair proportion of the residents of Scunthorpe who supported Brexit appear to be amongst the first to find they voted for a P45.

(You know, there's another forum I post on where, if you type the word Scunthorpe, their software censors it - it doesn't seem to like a four-letter combination withn it...  ;D  )


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: grahame on May 22, 2019, 15:25:33
You know, there's another forum I post on where, if you type the word Scunthorpe, their software censors it - it doesn't seem to like a four-letter combination withn it...  ;D  )

Posting from Westbury, where the lack of an hourly TransWilts service leave me marooned for the best part of 90 minutes.

I will probably split this off when I get home ... off topic response on a very serious topic

We also allow Penistone and Arsenal.  Places like Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch and Taumatawhakatangi­hangakoauauotamatea­turipukakapikimaunga­horonukupokaiwhen­uakitanatahu also allowed - although for all I know they might contain naughty words.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2019, 17:28:52
Meanwhile, a fair proportion of the residents of Scunthorpe who supported Brexit appear to be amongst the first to find they voted for a P45.
Nothing to do with China flooding the market with cheap steel then?


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: grahame on May 22, 2019, 17:31:05
From The BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48365241) - relevance to rail travel ...

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How have customers reacted?

British Steel customer Network Rail sources 95% of its rails from British Steel's Scunthorpe plant.

In a statement, the rail infrastructure operator said it had been working closely with British Steel and the government for "many weeks".

"We have done what we can to help ease the company's financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company - increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule - as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow."

It is understood the company has enough stockpiles to keep it going until other suppliers can increase production.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: patch38 on May 22, 2019, 17:35:49
Taumatawhakatangi­hangakoauauotamatea­turipukakapikimaunga­horonukupokaiwhen­uakitanatahu

Splendid. What we need in these troubled times is a reminder of Kenny Everett.

(Sorry Graham - keeping a serious topic off-topic...)


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 22, 2019, 18:02:09
From The BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48365241) - relevance to rail travel ...

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How have customers reacted?

British Steel customer Network Rail sources 95% of its rails from British Steel's Scunthorpe plant.

In a statement, the rail infrastructure operator said it had been working closely with British Steel and the government for "many weeks".

"We have done what we can to help ease the company's financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company - increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule - as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow."

It is understood the company has enough stockpiles to keep it going until other suppliers can increase production.
Bit of duplication there Grahame.  That was in my original post.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: grahame on May 22, 2019, 18:27:42
Bit of duplication there Grahame.  That was in my original post.

Oops - bit lot of busy day here - two meetings and so far 3 meetings between meetings too!   Great minds think alike though  ;D . At least one more meeting to come ... duplication reduction tomorrow!


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2019, 18:50:12
Bit of duplication there Grahame.  That was in my original post.

 ... duplication reduction tomorrow!


Is that a surgical procedure? If so hope all goes well!  :)


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: CyclingSid on May 22, 2019, 18:59:07
I am not sure that the benefit of not having spotty sheets on the washing line will out weigh the lack of income.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: Lee on May 22, 2019, 19:12:16
The now uncertain fate of Ascoval (https://www.ascoval.fr/en/), the steel mill that was itself in receivership until British Steel bought it recently, is big news over here in France today.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 22, 2019, 19:15:38
NR statement here: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/british-steel-insolvency/

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We have been working closely with British Steel and colleagues across government for many weeks. We have done what we can to help ease the company’s financial difficulties. We have improved our order book with the company – increasing rail production volumes, bringing orders forward and committing to a long term schedule – as well as offering immediate payment to ease the pressure on cash flow. However we have today been officially informed that British Steel has entered insolvency proceedings.

British Steel is a major supplier to Network Rail, providing around 100,000 tonnes of rail a year and playing a major part in our plans to maintain, renew and upgrade the railway.

We are confident that we remain able to carry out critical work on the railway in the coming months and beyond. Longer term we have plans in place so that we can continue to deliver the reliable railway millions of people depend on every day.

We understand this is a very worrying time for British Steel employees and we will work with the liquidator and continue to offer our support.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: Robin Summerhill on May 22, 2019, 19:18:22
Meanwhile, a fair proportion of the residents of Scunthorpe who supported Brexit appear to be amongst the first to find they voted for a P45.
Nothing to do with China flooding the market with cheap steel then?

The company reported that orders from Europe had dried up because they don't want to do business with UK companies due to uncertainty over Brexit.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: jamestheredengine on May 23, 2019, 11:09:30
(You know, there's another forum I post on where, if you type the word Scunthorpe, their software censors it - it doesn't seem to like a four-letter combination withn it...  ;D  )

My favourite of this genre from years ago was another forum where "my assumptions" became "I disagreeumptions".


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: grahame on July 01, 2019, 06:55:11
From The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/30/network-rail-bids-for-parts-of-british-steel)

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Network Rail has made a bid for parts of British Steel ahead of an initial deadline for offers for the company, which collapsed into liquidation in May putting 4,500 jobs at risk.

The company, which manages the UK’s 20,000 miles of rail tracks, said it made the bid to avoid the possibility of losing one of its most important suppliers. The British railway system is heavily dependent on British Steel, which accounts for 97% of the steel used in railway tracks.

1. The dangers of being dependent on a single source of supply

2. Nationalisation of parts of British Steel via the back door??


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: stuving on July 01, 2019, 14:01:28
The "parts of British Steel" are described elsewhere  as: "The offer is understood to include British Steel’s rail service centre business, responsible for the welding, finishing and storing of rails for the UK’s rail network, according to a story first reported in the Sunday Telegraph."

So not the rail production business, certainly. It looks like something that only has NR as its end customer, and might have been done in house anyway (if fashions in such things were different).



Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: Electric train on July 01, 2019, 18:02:25
From The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/30/network-rail-bids-for-parts-of-british-steel)

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Network Rail has made a bid for parts of British Steel ahead of an initial deadline for offers for the company, which collapsed into liquidation in May putting 4,500 jobs at risk.

The company, which manages the UK’s 20,000 miles of rail tracks, said it made the bid to avoid the possibility of losing one of its most important suppliers. The British railway system is heavily dependent on British Steel, which accounts for 97% of the steel used in railway tracks.

1. The dangers of being dependent on a single source of supply

2. Nationalisation of parts of British Steel via the back door??
The "parts of British Steel" are described elsewhere  as: "The offer is understood to include British Steel’s rail service centre business, responsible for the welding, finishing and storing of rails for the UK’s rail network, according to a story first reported in the Sunday Telegraph."

So not the rail production business, certainly It looks like something that only has NR as its end customer, and might have been done in house anyway (if fashions in such things were different).



This type of intervention is not unheard off by Network Rail, they have in the past brought into the concrete sleep plant in Doncaster, there was also a rail plant company they purchased; NR needs to protect its interests when the wheels fall off of the free market

This will be done with the support of HMG after all NR is a quasi Government body.


Title: Re: British Steel Compulsory Liquidation - 22 May 2019
Post by: stuving on July 08, 2019, 15:54:13
The "parts of British Steel" are described elsewhere  as: "The offer is understood to include British Steel’s rail service centre business, responsible for the welding, finishing and storing of rails for the UK’s rail network, according to a story first reported in the Sunday Telegraph."

So not the rail production business, certainly. It looks like something that only has NR as its end customer, and might have been done in house anyway (if fashions in such things were different).

I've just found out a bit more about BS's Rail Technical Services division, and should correct that. They have a rolling mill at Scunthorpe and do produce steel rail. It is in effect part of the steelworks site, and starts with billets (or whatever they are called) from within the site. They will also have other big machines for straightening and other finishing processes. There was another site at Eastleigh, owned by NR, obviously without on-site production.

They were rolling steel to 108 m lengths, for supply as is or flash butt welding pairwise into the 216 m lengths that are the longest NR can transport. In March 2018 they got a big order for 120 m rail to Germany, having painted go farther stripes on their mill. That division also does work in the the applications areas of coatings, noise reduction, repair and rejuvenation, etc.



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